1
00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:52,720
Speaker 1: Dude, what's unbou good wyow?

2
00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, that was the most.

3
00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,320
Speaker 3: That was the most guys that yeah, holy show.

4
00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,400
Speaker 4: You just has a sign that said I washed my

5
00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,520
Speaker 4: bangs in the sink for this.

6
00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh my god, honored good art, good job,

7
00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,920
Speaker 2: Thank you this side of the audience for letting me

8
00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,360
Speaker 2: yell at you. What a way to start, What a

9
00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,120
Speaker 2: way to start. It's we definitely are going to have

10
00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:25,080
Speaker 2: serious ear canal damage after this. It's so funny. We

11
00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,880
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. We do, we do. We love clapping

12
00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,920
Speaker 2: and screaming at us. Did you just put your gum

13
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000
Speaker 2: out right right before we started? I had it still

14
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,800
Speaker 2: in my mouth. That's my old trick. It's my old

15
00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,560
Speaker 2: show business trick.

16
00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,039
Speaker 4: We were about to come out and Karen was like,

17
00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,560
Speaker 4: oh fuck, I should probably get this ill.

18
00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,200
Speaker 2: Chewing gum right right on the edge of the stage.

19
00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,600
Speaker 2: Very unprofessional. Georgia, what did you do today in the

20
00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,200
Speaker 2: Bay Area?

21
00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,160
Speaker 3: Okay? Thank you? Yes, I went vinted shopping for us

22
00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,960
Speaker 3: Hate Upper Hate is that right is the place to be.

23
00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,720
Speaker 3: I went to a place called Relic that was.

24
00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:09,040
Speaker 4: Amazing and I walked in there and I don't dress

25
00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,080
Speaker 4: like this in my day to day. So I walk

26
00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,520
Speaker 4: in and they're like, oh, let's not let this girl

27
00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,200
Speaker 4: try anything on.

28
00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,000
Speaker 2: Someone followed right behind you the whole time you shop.

29
00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,720
Speaker 4: Yes, but then you know it went fine when I

30
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,440
Speaker 4: was like if I was I don't know, normal, Yes,

31
00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,600
Speaker 4: I acted normal, good good. So that place was amazing.

32
00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,440
Speaker 4: We went to a couple other places. We went to

33
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,440
Speaker 4: a pub.

34
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,720
Speaker 2: Do you remember the name?

35
00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,880
Speaker 3: It was Vince What was it? It was something funky

36
00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,880
Speaker 3: kill a dog, mad Dog, mad Dog was called mad Dog,

37
00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,239
Speaker 3: The mad Dog and the foll.

38
00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,280
Speaker 2: The mad Dog and the Fog. I've fallen down there

39
00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,400
Speaker 2: many a time, Yes, And they were.

40
00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,320
Speaker 3: Doing the best thing because you know, like when you

41
00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,240
Speaker 3: your scroll all day and you hear, you know, snippets

42
00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,280
Speaker 3: of songs, like five seconds of songs by heart, and

43
00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,000
Speaker 3: then suddenly the real like song starts playing, You're like,

44
00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,600
Speaker 3: holy shit. And they were just.

45
00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,880
Speaker 4: Kept playing fucking like Instagram songs with the whole thing,

46
00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:12,960
Speaker 4: and I was singing it along and like mouthing them

47
00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,280
Speaker 4: to events and being really annoying.

48
00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,160
Speaker 2: Yes at the mad Dog and the Fog.

49
00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

50
00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,440
Speaker 4: And then we on the ride home, we decided we're

51
00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,280
Speaker 4: gonna move to San Francisco.

52
00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,600
Speaker 2: Yes, but she does this a lot. She does this

53
00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:27,960
Speaker 2: a lot.

54
00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:30,760
Speaker 3: It was sunny and we were day drunk.

55
00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, the life in this town, truly, the

56
00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,000
Speaker 2: life in this town would you do today? Well? I

57
00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,520
Speaker 2: am shocked that the upper head. I just am trying

58
00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,280
Speaker 2: to still process the upper het coming all the way around.

59
00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,800
Speaker 2: Let's see, I left in ninety four, so it's back, baby.

60
00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,440
Speaker 3: It's fucking cool now, you guys, it is.

61
00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,520
Speaker 2: It only took thirty five years or whatever.

62
00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,080
Speaker 3: It was a little gnarly when I lived here, for sure,

63
00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,720
Speaker 3: but it's it's the place to be. Yeah.

64
00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,200
Speaker 2: Is there a banana Republic? That shit's gone.

65
00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,880
Speaker 4: I didn't see any of that shit somalism.

66
00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,320
Speaker 2: Are the rich kids from Marine still pretending they're punks

67
00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,080
Speaker 2: and sitting on the street asking you for money? Which

68
00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:15,120
Speaker 2: literally was like.

69
00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,159
Speaker 3: So oo, Karen's inciting a ride.

70
00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,160
Speaker 2: I give this shit, man. I had two full time

71
00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,440
Speaker 2: jobs when I lived in the upper Hate. I had

72
00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,719
Speaker 2: to pay for that broom closet of the room I

73
00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,880
Speaker 2: lived in, and those kids would like be like taking

74
00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,280
Speaker 2: a dollar, and I'd be like no, and they'd get

75
00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,800
Speaker 2: up and get into a sob and drive away and

76
00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,360
Speaker 2: just be like shit.

77
00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:38,360
Speaker 3: At you now?

78
00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:44,480
Speaker 2: Look at me having the last laugh. Thank you. There's

79
00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,680
Speaker 2: one person sitting in the audience crying. That was me.

80
00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,120
Speaker 2: This deeply hurts me and my rich feelings.

81
00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:56,640
Speaker 3: And what did you do today?

82
00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:56,800
Speaker 5: Oh?

83
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,440
Speaker 2: Well, we went into the ferry built right, and we

84
00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,000
Speaker 2: looked around. All I wanted was a turkey sandwich. You

85
00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,000
Speaker 2: cannot get one there. You can't. You can have a

86
00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,320
Speaker 2: muffalada muffalata if you want to. You can have your

87
00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,200
Speaker 2: own hole charcuterie board built custom.

88
00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:14,760
Speaker 3: Wow.

89
00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:16,800
Speaker 2: But they won't serve turkey.

90
00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:21,200
Speaker 4: They just they You can't just get a fucking kind

91
00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,040
Speaker 4: of get a fucking turkey sandanda.

92
00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,680
Speaker 2: Bitch, it's turkey sandwich. But we did. There's a really

93
00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,880
Speaker 2: good store with some new things and some old things. Right.

94
00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,080
Speaker 2: That's for the people who don't want to go through

95
00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,719
Speaker 2: Star shopping. You do it for me.

96
00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,160
Speaker 3: You got me some kit kats.

97
00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,520
Speaker 2: From Oh I did. There was a candy store. Because

98
00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,360
Speaker 2: if there's a candy store that in any way has

99
00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,040
Speaker 2: set up some plexiglass containers with scoops, I'm in there

100
00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,159
Speaker 2: with my plastic bag. It says. If I think I

101
00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,920
Speaker 2: have to support this mom and pop business, I don't

102
00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,400
Speaker 2: care if it's full on a corporation. I don't care,

103
00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,000
Speaker 2: but I was going in there like, you don't need that,

104
00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,840
Speaker 2: you don't need that. And then they have this little

105
00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,200
Speaker 2: bag that said assorted kit kats from Japan and I

106
00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,080
Speaker 2: was like, well, I have to get that for Georgia. Yeah,

107
00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:14,800
Speaker 2: so I did.

108
00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:16,520
Speaker 3: I didn't get you anything.

109
00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,800
Speaker 4: It's okay, I'm sorry, but you know what I did

110
00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,360
Speaker 4: get well, okay, so you know, I'm I have a

111
00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,000
Speaker 4: nervous nose and I'm just constantly blowing away like there's

112
00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:24,760
Speaker 4: tissue back here.

113
00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,120
Speaker 3: It's really embarrassing.

114
00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,000
Speaker 4: And today when I was at Relic, they had these

115
00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,960
Speaker 4: for sale and I'm like, that looks way classier than

116
00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,640
Speaker 4: a fucking nasty as tissue.

117
00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,880
Speaker 2: That in a monocle and you're all sad. What what I

118
00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,039
Speaker 2: was gonna say is you can have it. No thank you,

119
00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:44,240
Speaker 2: no thank you.

120
00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:45,240
Speaker 3: Oh and okay.

121
00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,799
Speaker 4: So when we got back to the hotel after drinking

122
00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,880
Speaker 4: during the day, we saw these people getting out of

123
00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,360
Speaker 4: like a cab clearly from the airport, and they were

124
00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,839
Speaker 4: like unloading their bags and this chick had a fucking

125
00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,440
Speaker 4: cooler for her room, and I was like, that's the

126
00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,160
Speaker 4: most insanely brilliant thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I love her,

127
00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:08,200
Speaker 4: and then she goes, Georgia for sure. You're like, yep, Kendra, where's.

128
00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:11,880
Speaker 2: Fucking right in.

129
00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:12,200
Speaker 1: Front of.

130
00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:19,600
Speaker 2: Yes, Kendra, thank you for your service. Appreciate you. She's like,

131
00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,720
Speaker 2: I'm so ship faced. I don't know where I am

132
00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,920
Speaker 2: right now. I hope this is good, but it won't

133
00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:29,040
Speaker 2: matter because I'll be asleep in fifteen minutes. Me too.

134
00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,200
Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of this is my favorite murder of the podcast.

135
00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,760
Speaker 2: That's right, that's Georgia.

136
00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:45,160
Speaker 3: Hart Stark, that's Karen Gagara.

137
00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,400
Speaker 2: And you Oakland are here for us once again. Thank

138
00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,800
Speaker 2: you so much for waiting six years for us. We

139
00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,040
Speaker 2: genuinely appreciate it. It's very exciting to be here with you.

140
00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,640
Speaker 4: I was in my thirties last time Wait toured, and

141
00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,560
Speaker 4: now I'm having hot flashes on stage.

142
00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's cool with the last time we played here,

143
00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,000
Speaker 2: my niece Nora did a little cartwheel on stage. You

144
00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,440
Speaker 2: may have been here and saw it. She was nine.

145
00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,400
Speaker 2: I thought it would be funny if she came and

146
00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,200
Speaker 2: did it again. She did it, She did it, She

147
00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:22,480
Speaker 2: didn't because she just started call it. So think about

148
00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,080
Speaker 2: how much closer to death you are now. That's what

149
00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about. How did that time pass that like that?

150
00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,800
Speaker 3: No time, it's just flat time. No, No, it's a

151
00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,080
Speaker 3: circle circle, that's right. Yeah, letays forget which way that goes.

152
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,319
Speaker 2: It's a flat circle.

153
00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,960
Speaker 3: Yes, like pizza?

154
00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,080
Speaker 2: What else should we sit? Know? What are you wearing? Oh? Wait,

155
00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,559
Speaker 2: did you do your walk or you just talked about it?

156
00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:51,000
Speaker 1: No?

157
00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,120
Speaker 3: I just talked about going into chopping.

158
00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so you go. I'll go because I don't have pockets.

159
00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,160
Speaker 2: And look, I'm really sorry. You can leave now if

160
00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,840
Speaker 2: you want to have to or someone to take that

161
00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,800
Speaker 2: person out because it means too much to you. I

162
00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:13,280
Speaker 2: got this dress in Spain. That's right. I've been to Europe, Kendra,

163
00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:19,280
Speaker 2: I've been to Europe. No brag, no brad. I forgot that.

164
00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,640
Speaker 2: There's ushers here that are like, what the fuck is this?

165
00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,480
Speaker 2: I always forget that. So why are they screaming about

166
00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense and they're literally mad. There's no

167
00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,120
Speaker 2: pockets and do you want to give your dress a

168
00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:33,240
Speaker 2: little this time? Okay?

169
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,680
Speaker 4: Last night I realized that this is my Karen just

170
00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,800
Speaker 4: did this beautiful walk, this like model watch, and I realized, yeah,

171
00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,520
Speaker 4: my pose of like look what I'm wearing.

172
00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,520
Speaker 3: Is this because I don't know what to do?

173
00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,600
Speaker 2: But anyways, a TSA.

174
00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,120
Speaker 4: But tonight I remembered my bra. Last night I did

175
00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,440
Speaker 4: not remember my bra. So it's a it's a win.

176
00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah for every you guys are getting their foundation garment show.

177
00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,880
Speaker 2: This is going to be incredible. Watch the difference. If

178
00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,000
Speaker 2: you were here last night, Spot the difference.

179
00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna change full cup size. It's so crazy.

180
00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640
Speaker 2: Your performance is going to be incredible.

181
00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,800
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a real perky yeah. Uh oh can

182
00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,800
Speaker 3: we talk about this backstage? Slippers?

183
00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,440
Speaker 2: Yes, so we even we have.

184
00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,960
Speaker 4: This like new tour manager who's not my husband and

185
00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,079
Speaker 4: for the past couple like uh like he's not from

186
00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,960
Speaker 4: the past couple of cities. I've been like, oh my god,

187
00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,960
Speaker 4: slippers in our in our dressing rooms.

188
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,360
Speaker 3: I've been so excited. I love slippers. I can't gope barefoot.

189
00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:36,040
Speaker 3: I hate shoes.

190
00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:36,600
Speaker 2: Slippers.

191
00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then last night Karen's like, oh, those slippers

192
00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,280
Speaker 3: are cute, and I'm like, well, you have a pair too, And.

193
00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,360
Speaker 2: I just thought someone was leaving their shoes in my

194
00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:49,680
Speaker 2: dressing room. So I was like, oh, that's creepy. Someone

195
00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,880
Speaker 2: whoever was here before I guess that's just what they're doing.

196
00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,040
Speaker 4: I mean, is it weird that I automatically was like,

197
00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,280
Speaker 4: these are my name.

198
00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,320
Speaker 2: But then you were saying we were we were just

199
00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,959
Speaker 2: take that time we were saying that they were they

200
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,120
Speaker 2: filmed us. When we were in h Boston, we.

201
00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,120
Speaker 4: Were doing a secret filming thing that we can't really

202
00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,320
Speaker 4: talk about, but it's very exciting.

203
00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,839
Speaker 2: It's uh, you'll see or you won't or you won't.

204
00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,560
Speaker 2: You know how businesses It could not happen, but Georgia's

205
00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240
Speaker 2: had her slippers on, not realizing it. So she's like

206
00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,240
Speaker 2: she had a pair of slippers and said let's go girls.

207
00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,600
Speaker 4: On a crappy face with a cowgirl hadle on and

208
00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,920
Speaker 4: it said let's go girls. And I realized that the

209
00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,480
Speaker 4: filming people were filming my slippers and said I picked

210
00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:33,760
Speaker 4: them out.

211
00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,920
Speaker 3: And that's my personality.

212
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,160
Speaker 2: It is never it is.

213
00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,599
Speaker 3: Her person kidding me.

214
00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,320
Speaker 2: Hold on a second, I just need and I hope

215
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,840
Speaker 2: I'm right about this. I think I just spotted a

216
00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,520
Speaker 2: hot dog on a stick. Employee in the audience, what

217
00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,160
Speaker 2: could you stand up? Please?

218
00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,280
Speaker 3: God stand your ass?

219
00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:59,520
Speaker 2: Would you please? Yeah? Yes, hold on please.

220
00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,720
Speaker 4: Karen never says nice things about people.

221
00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,320
Speaker 3: In the audience.

222
00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,880
Speaker 2: So this is like, but you know what huge? Now

223
00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,760
Speaker 2: I will because is that a real uniform from Hot

224
00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,040
Speaker 2: Dog on a Stick? Did you did you work there?

225
00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,800
Speaker 2: She worked at Ceremony, Hillsdale and fucking Stonestown. Do you understand?

226
00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:21,440
Speaker 1: She?

227
00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,440
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Are you a regional manager of Hot Dog

228
00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:25,040
Speaker 2: on a Stick?

229
00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:25,320
Speaker 3: Like?

230
00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,679
Speaker 2: You must be good if they're sending you around to

231
00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:34,600
Speaker 2: different malls? Say again, spread they were desperate? Do you

232
00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:39,000
Speaker 2: know that? I'm sorry to waylay this, but my first

233
00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,680
Speaker 2: seven minutes of stand up comedy was about the girls

234
00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,120
Speaker 2: that work at Hot Dog on a Stick? Did you

235
00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,040
Speaker 2: know that? And how you guys used to have to

236
00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:52,680
Speaker 2: squeeze the lemonade in your hot pants with your erectile hats?

237
00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 3: Does it?

238
00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:56,640
Speaker 2: It's still good?

239
00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:56,839
Speaker 5: Right?

240
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,120
Speaker 3: I mean she had to have stolen that outfit, right Bell?

241
00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:01,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

242
00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:01,880
Speaker 1: Not.

243
00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,640
Speaker 3: You don't get to go home with that so you don't.

244
00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,000
Speaker 2: Have to pay them seventy five bucks for that, did you?

245
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:07,080
Speaker 5: No?

246
00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,640
Speaker 3: You just straight up stole it?

247
00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,040
Speaker 2: Worth it? What's your name? Gina? Welcome to this show.

248
00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,640
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You've done it. Gina's done it.

249
00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:19,320
Speaker 2: I love that.

250
00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,360
Speaker 4: I love that your eyes were just like you can't

251
00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,120
Speaker 4: see anything. But then you were like, but I was.

252
00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:28,240
Speaker 2: Excuse me, someone from my old bit is here. I

253
00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,720
Speaker 2: need to interview her.

254
00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,600
Speaker 4: I think I saw you do that bit in like

255
00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,400
Speaker 4: two thousand and one at Largo.

256
00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,760
Speaker 3: Yes, I swear to God. Is that crazy little.

257
00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,800
Speaker 2: Baby Georgias in the audience look at us?

258
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:40,080
Speaker 3: Now.

259
00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,080
Speaker 2: I was up there like I'm on speed nine points

260
00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:48,920
Speaker 2: to make yeah, let's stop, jenis stop?

261
00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,280
Speaker 3: Okay? Last night my feet were weird and I like

262
00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,520
Speaker 3: kept and it was just really aware where my feet

263
00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,520
Speaker 3: were the whole time, instead of like whould.

264
00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:01,640
Speaker 2: You put them?

265
00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't know.

266
00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,480
Speaker 4: That's like the this was in the way and so

267
00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,199
Speaker 4: I couldn't do like that.

268
00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,120
Speaker 3: So I just realized I forgot to put lotion on

269
00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,160
Speaker 3: my legs. So I'm really chalky and gross. So that's fine.

270
00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,440
Speaker 2: If anyone has lotion, you please pass it up. That'd

271
00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,640
Speaker 2: be great. If it was self tannered, that'd be even better.

272
00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,240
Speaker 2: For a nice kind of a nylon look, still need

273
00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,800
Speaker 2: the gotta have them. I actually am doing kind of

274
00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,320
Speaker 2: a in my seat. I was doing kind of a

275
00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,720
Speaker 2: side saddle Lady Chatterley kind of thing over here. I

276
00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,560
Speaker 2: was just like, because it's so.

277
00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,640
Speaker 3: You know, I last but I don't know what that means.

278
00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,040
Speaker 2: It's a literary reference about a dirty old book.

279
00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,000
Speaker 3: Ill I don't even read. Oh really, Oh I want

280
00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,680
Speaker 3: to tell them why they're here, what they're doing, but

281
00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,120
Speaker 3: no fucking happening.

282
00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,040
Speaker 2: This is my favorite murder. It's a true crime comedy podcast.

283
00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,520
Speaker 2: Thank you. Some people don't like that combination, we understand.

284
00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,920
Speaker 2: So to explain, we like to say that George and

285
00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,840
Speaker 2: I cope with our lifelong trauma through the use of humor.

286
00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,600
Speaker 2: That's how a lot of us like to do it.

287
00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,160
Speaker 2: We do not think murder is funny. We just think

288
00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:17,880
Speaker 2: we're funny, and so we also became obsessed with true

289
00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,400
Speaker 2: crime at a much too young of an age, and

290
00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,720
Speaker 2: so when we met each other, all of those things

291
00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,840
Speaker 2: collide and we're like, we got to talk about this,

292
00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,680
Speaker 2: and uh, I've never done this part before.

293
00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,200
Speaker 3: I keep going and do it.

294
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,880
Speaker 2: Go go man, I love it. Here's our two women show.

295
00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:41,360
Speaker 2: I'm writing it as we speak. Anyhow, Uh, let's see,

296
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,720
Speaker 2: we're funny. We think we're funny. And there's a lot

297
00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,560
Speaker 2: of people that get dragged to this show against their

298
00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,280
Speaker 2: will by their partner as a.

299
00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,400
Speaker 3: Drag along measure.

300
00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,200
Speaker 2: He actually has merch to say, is it drag along.

301
00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,320
Speaker 2: People don't know what the inside jokes are and they

302
00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,160
Speaker 2: don't care, and they don't like it, but they love

303
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,240
Speaker 2: their partner and beautiful thing. So anyway, if you find

304
00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,560
Speaker 2: that you don't like anything that's going on tonight, we

305
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,840
Speaker 2: invite you to get the fuck out fun except for

306
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,640
Speaker 2: the security guards. Except please don't go. Please don't, please don't.

307
00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,600
Speaker 3: It's real weird.

308
00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:24,600
Speaker 2: We'll try to, we'll work on it. Yeah, you're first

309
00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:25,160
Speaker 2: time first.

310
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,520
Speaker 3: It's really scary. Last night, last night I told a

311
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,880
Speaker 3: story about a ghost blimp and that was like the

312
00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,080
Speaker 3: easiest story I've ever told in my life. It was like,

313
00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,520
Speaker 3: this has no stakes and except for that, they disappeared.

314
00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,880
Speaker 3: But tonight is not that.

315
00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,160
Speaker 2: Right, You're gonna get serious. They like it.

316
00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,920
Speaker 3: Okay. Well, Marcus ur, our tour manager who took Vince's place,

317
00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:54,960
Speaker 3: wrote g dog on my script, so I know it's mine.

318
00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,880
Speaker 3: Thank you, Marcus. Okay, all right, well listen.

319
00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,600
Speaker 4: Today's story is about the eerie disappearance and suspicious death

320
00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,760
Speaker 4: of a wealthy but troubled heiress who went out for

321
00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,080
Speaker 4: a morning walk in nineteen twenty nine and never made

322
00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,240
Speaker 4: it home. This is a story of the disappearance of

323
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,520
Speaker 4: Edith Irene Wolfskille.

324
00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:20,560
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

325
00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,520
Speaker 2: She your great auntie, thank you, were you just for

326
00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:32,400
Speaker 2: the thing? Thank you so much. No one's clapping.

327
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,560
Speaker 3: The main sources I use for this story are are

328
00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,840
Speaker 3: local news reports by Bay area publications such as the

329
00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,400
Speaker 3: San Francisco Chronicle, hooray, you love it, the Oakland Tribune,

330
00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:55,280
Speaker 3: he and the sacramento'll be. I think Sacramento is like represented, Yeah, hey.

331
00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,720
Speaker 2: After all I've done to you, what a beautiful thing.

332
00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:01,160
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

333
00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm getting hot. Okay.

334
00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,600
Speaker 4: The rest of the sources can be found someday in our.

335
00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,600
Speaker 2: Show notes in the future, show now, and if.

336
00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,840
Speaker 3: They ever exist, this might be one of their shows

337
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,320
Speaker 3: that like just never sees a light of day, like

338
00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,280
Speaker 3: what would happen, like what could happen that it would

339
00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:17,800
Speaker 3: never be.

340
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,280
Speaker 2: It all becomes word of mouth.

341
00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:21,440
Speaker 3: Okay.

342
00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,800
Speaker 4: So to understand this woman, Edith Irene Wolfskille, you have

343
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,879
Speaker 4: to know that she comes from one California, one of

344
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,160
Speaker 4: California's wealthiest families. Her grandfather and his brother had been

345
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,280
Speaker 4: from the Midwest, and they were among the earliest white

346
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 4: settlers in California, first near La and then in the

347
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:47,400
Speaker 4: Sacramento Valley and her Edith's grandfather mathis not Matteis, mathis Mathis.

348
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

349
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,199
Speaker 2: Let me see.

350
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,480
Speaker 3: They did the thing where like, you know, they're all

351
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,200
Speaker 3: these like people who are like, I'm gonna hit gold

352
00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:01,679
Speaker 3: in California goal miners yep, yeah, and like those people

353
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,160
Speaker 3: like it didn't like go great. But then other people

354
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,919
Speaker 3: are like, I'm going to sell shit to the people

355
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 3: trying to find gold. And they got fucking wealthy. Like

356
00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:09,880
Speaker 3: that's what happened to them.

357
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 4: So they basically became ranchers, cattles, but crops, all this stuff,

358
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 4: and ultimately they wind up richer than most of the miners.

359
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, just one thing.

360
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cattle. What I say cattles cattles.

361
00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 5: So I did.

362
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:37,320
Speaker 3: Last night was chiopino, just a little crab chiopino for everybody.

363
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,359
Speaker 2: It sounds right. I really don't want to do it,

364
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,879
Speaker 2: but I know it's sometimes fun and you do enjoy it.

365
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,840
Speaker 2: I love it, Okay, Okay.

366
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,160
Speaker 3: If I cared, I wouldn't be on stage I do this,

367
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 3: but I do.

368
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,000
Speaker 2: I do love that. The plural of cattle, cattles, cattles. Yeah, wow,

369
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 2: you just threw a little less on there. For spice.

370
00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,560
Speaker 4: So so Matthis' brother, Edith's great uncle William, becomes even wealthier.

371
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 4: He gets into grapes and then wine, and his massive

372
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,280
Speaker 4: ranch will become the ritzy neighborhood of Holmby Hills, Westwood

373
00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 4: and bel Air over in our neck of the woods.

374
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 2: Between you can feel that they're withholding booths.

375
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're we're moving here.

376
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 2: So it's fine, you're fine, I'm from here.

377
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 4: So basically they end up getting enough land to stretch

378
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 4: over thousands of acres of vineyards, vineyards.

379
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 2: Or or or orchids or sorry you know richards. Yeah,

380
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: you got it, you nailed it. Just don't overthink it.

381
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 2: I know too much, but.

382
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 4: I'm really like it's like, I can you like get

383
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 4: a hot flash by getting like bring on your own

384
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:49,959
Speaker 4: hot flash?

385
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, yeah, that's Munchausen's wife hot flash so stupid.

386
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 4: So basically that makes them two of the wealthiest men

387
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 4: in the state.

388
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 3: So congratulations to them, to those guys.

389
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 4: So by the time Edith was born in San Francisco

390
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 4: in eighteen seventy two, she already has two older brothers,

391
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 4: following in Grandpa Mathis's footsteps. Edith's father, John Wolfskill is

392
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 4: a prominent rancher and he's training his sons, Matthew and Nay.

393
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 3: To follow suit.

394
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: Nay, Like what the horse says, an e y Nay,

395
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,440
Speaker 2: that's rude.

396
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 5: Nay.

397
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's a picture of the grandfather, oh.

398
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 3: Or the father. That's the father. Edith's father, got it,

399
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: John Wolfskill, pioneer of.

400
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: If anyone here can do anything about bringing those sideburns back,

401
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: it would be great. I'd really appreciate it.

402
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 3: You know what I love about this, Like he's younger

403
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: than us in this photo. Like, that's absolutely younger than us.

404
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: He has no idea that Korean skincare is coming down

405
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,400
Speaker 2: the pilot for all of us.

406
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 4: He's out in the sun, bacon his face. Okay, so

407
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: that's him. But then they have a girl. Her name

408
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 4: is Edith, and she's highly privileged. She's sent away from

409
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 4: the home immediately as soon as she's old enough to

410
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 4: attend finishing skuol oh in Europe, as you.

411
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: Com paris France, Europe.

412
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 4: The sole daughter of John and his wife Susan Wolfskill.

413
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 4: Edith is described as beautiful with brown hair, and Okay,

414
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 4: I don't think this fucking exists in real life. I

415
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 4: only ever see this in fiction. Cool gray eyes gray?

416
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 4: Have you ever seen a person with gray eyes before?

417
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 4: That's not a fucking thing, like, go to the doctor,

418
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 4: something's wrong.

419
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: That's when your eyes are about to fail. That's the

420
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,360
Speaker 2: last it's the last color before your eyes go out.

421
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 2: I don't buy it completely. They shut off. I don't

422
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: buy that scam.

423
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 4: Okay, they're gray, you're gray eyes. Sure, congratulations being one

424
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 4: of society, Being a society girl. She's written about in

425
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 4: the papers as quote one of California's prize beauties. Her

426
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 4: delicate pink white skin and wide eyes, her long, rich

427
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: brown hair and fascinating form aka she's stacked, yeah.

428
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Baby and fascinating.

429
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: Made her the darling of the state's aristocracy.

430
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: God damn it. That's a good way aristocracy. Thank you.

431
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: I had this backstage. I swear you practiced so many times.

432
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 4: I was trying to hit that stacked line joke, and

433
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 4: so I did.

434
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: You got it, you know? And I did.

435
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: Then everything else went to shit.

436
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 3: I think we have a picture of her. Let's take

437
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 3: a look. Well, there's a fascinating there's a vague thing

438
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: of her.

439
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: No wonder. They're just like, okay, can you turn around.

440
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: We just need to get that ass now.

441
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: Now you're not gonna look over here. You're a big

442
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: exit on that side of her face. That's I've been there.

443
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: She's like, it's a new thing. I'm going to look

444
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 2: at the back wall, concentrate on my Yeah, it's fascinating.

445
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 4: But as lovely and wealthy as she may be, eventh

446
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 4: is different when she returns to California from Europe in

447
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: the late eighteen hundred, So what the.

448
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 2: Fuck be Ray smoking fake accent?

449
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 4: Let's pretend she's starting back peculiar and it's worrying her family. Unfortunately,

450
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 4: religious is one of those things.

451
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, don't be mad at me.

452
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they're here. But you guys should have.

453
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 4: Seen when were in Salt Lake City, Like they woohooed

454
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: out Mormonism, Like really fucking a lot of people who

455
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 4: are like, really okay, the cool Romanism.

456
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get botox, that's right.

457
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: They have their own Real Housewives series. They're solid, so

458
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 2: all anyone wants.

459
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 4: It seems that Edith becomes so obsessed with religion that

460
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 4: she kneels in the streets of San Francisco and praise loudly.

461
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 3: Dirty Yeah. Oh, she means the street, not you know,

462
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: yet so dirty, shouting scripture at her neighbors out of nowhere.

463
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: Rich people love that, I love it.

464
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 4: She frequently announces herself to be the Empress of the world,

465
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 4: which fucking amen, I mean.

466
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 3: I love it.

467
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 4: In a world by her late twenties, Edith doesn't seem

468
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: to have any suitors but or marriage prospects, but it

469
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 4: seems like her family's like great because she's very wealthy

470
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 4: and they don't want to just like Mara here off to,

471
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 4: someone will take advantage of her.

472
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: Right because she's the Empress of the world, right.

473
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 4: Like that's hard to match. Yeah, excuse me, God, damn it.

474
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't.

475
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 4: You know, you can't be perfect. You have to have

476
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 4: one thing wrong with you. Sometimes you can't have great.

477
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: Feet like these, and you fucking not.

478
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: You know, this is why we podcast.

479
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: He had to leave.

480
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, He's like I can't. He's like, I can't

481
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore.

482
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

483
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 4: So her family is so rich and involved that everyone

484
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: knows it's the wolf Skill heiress who's freaking out in

485
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 4: public essentially, so like you know, they're just they're they're

486
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: very protective of her, it seems like, and they commit

487
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 4: her to California General Hospital and hopes that she can

488
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 4: be quote fixed.

489
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 3: Those are my quotes.

490
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 4: They didn't say that, okay by doctor William Chapman Ralston Junior.

491
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 3: Who I bet your mom has talked about.

492
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah every night at dinner, story after story of

493
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: doctor William ralv watch a junior.

494
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

495
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 4: So on two occasion occasion she wanders from in patient

496
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 4: facilities in Belmont and San Francisco and just kind of

497
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 4: like wanders away. But luckily both times she's found unharmed

498
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 4: at the hospital. She's medicated and supervised until she's allowed

499
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 4: to return home to the family ranch in Fairfield.

500
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 3: Nobody, no one.

501
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: Likes the nut Tree Okay, you're fools.

502
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 4: Which is about fifty miles away m hm in case

503
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 4: she needed directions, and out in the country. She likes

504
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: to take daily hikes through the hilly trails. It's not

505
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: a bunch of suburban little boxes. At the time, it's

506
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 4: like beautiful and nice. Edith lives in a white farmhouse

507
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 4: with gingerbread trim and a wrap around porch. It's idyllic,

508
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 4: it's nestled among her family's vineyards and.

509
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: Peach orchid orchids. God damn it. Why can't I do

510
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 3: that one?

511
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: You've always been orchard orchard. Yeah, although a peach orchid

512
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: would be gorgeous.

513
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 4: I'm actively trying to not kill an orchid right now

514
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 4: at home, so that might be the problem.

515
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: Don't overwater it, Okay.

516
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell you what I saw on

517
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: Instagram and how to make it work, but that you

518
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 4: take it.

519
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: All apart and pull the roots out. Yeah, don't do that.

520
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: I did it.

521
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: Did it work. It's working.

522
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 4: For the first time in my life, I've seen an orchid,

523
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 4: but I've never seen a bud before.

524
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: They always just die. No, thank you, but no, you're right,

525
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: thank you.

526
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: You guys will fucking clap for anything. That's crazy. A

527
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: plant bloomed and she gets credit. I don't think so.

528
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: I didn't kill a plant, but actually it is.

529
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 2: It is amazing because I watched someone do that also

530
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: over there, and I was like, should I because I

531
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 2: also have an orchid that I'm trying not to kill,

532
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm going to do this. I

533
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 2: can't risk it. And it was like a whole thing,

534
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: and I was like, I wouldn't risk it.

535
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: It's going to die anyways, So all right, well, at

536
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 3: least you get those little hair clips out of it

537
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: to make us into a positive those cute little nineties

538
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 3: right clips.

539
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: So she's living this nice life with peaches, and she

540
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: loves to go on long walks in the countryside, and

541
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 4: she becomes kind of famous around town for these wandering

542
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: walks because a woman wandering on her own, oh god,

543
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 4: she must be wealthy.

544
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: She must be the empress of the world.

545
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: And a Fresno b reporter writes that Edith is known

546
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: by locals, yeah, to be quote to be a quote

547
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 4: powerful hiker, and her tall, wiry figure was frequently seen swinging.

548
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 3: Down the hill trails. What are you swinging? I don't know.

549
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: Is that bigfoot?

550
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: Look at that large person. It's like kind of insulting.

551
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: Neighbors view Edith as a little unpredictable but ultimately harmless,

552
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: and she might mutter to herself a lot, but they

553
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: mostly see her standing on hilltops. Then this is cupping

554
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 4: her hands around her face to see into the distance better.

555
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, like wears waldo kind of thing.

556
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: I think.

557
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: I wonder what, Yeah, I wonder what she was looking for.

558
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: She sounds cool, she sounds like should be here.

559
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: I mean this was if it was.

560
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, for real, first of all, but also it's like,

561
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: what was the problem. She went to Europe, she got

562
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: the Lord. She tried to talk about it, and everyone's like,

563
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: you're insane. Go to a sanitarium. And then her family's like,

564
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: you don't have to do that because we're rich. Here's

565
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: a little house. Then you're out by yourself in a field.

566
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: I could have you could have just done my whole story.

567
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, but I'm you're right.

568
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Because it seems it's like, leave her alone.

569
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: How about she doesn't have to wear sixteen layers of

570
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: silk everywhere she goes, and she won't mutter to herself

571
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: all the time.

572
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: I'm so fucking my god, it's fucking broad.

573
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: I need to get fourteen ribs removed, put this courset on.

574
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: She's like, where are my rights? I can't even vote? Okay,

575
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: I was thinking of that the whole time.

576
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 3: That was great.

577
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: I just killed two minutes so I could think of

578
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: that joke. Okay.

579
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: So things take a turn.

580
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: When Edith's father dies in nineteen thirteen, she's eighth in

581
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: her early forties, and she and her brothers split his

582
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 4: estate of one point six million dollars in No, but

583
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: that's in nineteen thirteen dollars, so today today's.

584
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: Money one point three million dollars would.

585
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: Be some point six's like she's gonna matter. No, No,

586
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 4: I'm telling you it's one point six one point three.

587
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I thought you.

588
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: Okay, you didn't give it away? Is it ten million dollars? No?

589
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: Is it close? No?

590
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: Do you want to go one more time?

591
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: Sure? Higher? Lower? Hire someone sit higher? Oh my god,

592
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: I love this game show. Okay, then I'm gonna say

593
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: seventeen million dollars.

594
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 3: Spanned four point nine point four million dollar way four

595
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: nine point I'm so hot, it's so hot up here.

596
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: How long did you stay at Mad Dog in the fog?

597
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: I took a nap, I swear to god, I took

598
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: a nap. And that's all that matters.

599
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: Forty nine million dollars. Yeah, Jesus Christ. So that's there.

600
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 4: The estate and the brothers, Matt and Nay, no shock

601
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 4: to anyone fucking.

602
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: Hate each other like of course they do.

603
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 4: They're like fighting over fifty million fucking dollars. Just like succession, right,

604
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: and they're put in charge of their sister's care, which

605
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 4: of course is hard because they hate each other. But

606
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: they actually really love their sister and want to take

607
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: care of her, so they're not total dicks. Good and

608
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 4: uh Matt and Nay clashed violently over control of the

609
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: profits of that money and management of their ranch, particularly

610
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: the orchards.

611
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you. I need it.

612
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: I just need applause for anything we all do.

613
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 3: Chanet really withheld from me.

614
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: That's why we're here, girl, that's why we're here. You

615
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: worked very hard to get applauded for the word orchard.

616
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: You deserve it.

617
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: But they basically put their differences apart long enough to

618
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 4: make sure that their sister is safe and under the

619
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 4: supervision of a living nurse as her caretaker, and at

620
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: the family ranch at least she can be taken care

621
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: of and you know, contained. But also it seems like

622
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 4: they care about her. Here's a picture of something I

623
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 4: don't remember what. Let's see put anything up.

624
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus Christ. Okay, that's I didn't mean to do that.

625
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 3: Okay, don't worry about it.

626
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: Million dollar mystery of the matters.

627
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: Thank you, good looking, so too soon now, but it

628
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: also was too huge, and it doesn't matter.

629
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: I liked how big it was. It felt like modern art,

630
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: kind of.

631
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: Like what you do you see up close, what you

632
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 3: see far away?

633
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: If you get different, it's a dolphin.

634
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: So on July fourteenth, nineteen twenty nine, a fifty seven

635
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: year old now Edith, leaves the house around seven am

636
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: for her regular morning walk. It's a cool summer day,

637
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 3: so she wears a light dress, maybe not all her silks,

638
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 3: and her housekeeper plans to see her return in time

639
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: for lunch. Remember she's like famous for her strolls.

640
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 4: That's insulting walks, yeah, stroll hikes.

641
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 3: I a strow.

642
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: Oh she can only stroll?

643
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh she's fucking walking, Like, let her live, let

644
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: her stride even but even I isn't back by lunch,

645
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: and she's nowhere to be found on the trails or

646
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 4: in town. And because her family is so prominent, the

647
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: response to the nurses called to the sheriff is you know,

648
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: in their friend of the family, it's pretty quick. And

649
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 4: knowing that Edith's eccentric appearance may have attractive attention, remember

650
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: she's not wearing all her skirts. Oh that's right, the

651
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: sheriff suspects that someone who knew she was both vulnerable

652
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 4: and from her rich family might have kidnapped her, and

653
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 4: so the deputies assigned to stay at the house and

654
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 4: keep watch for anyone who might drop off a ransom note,

655
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 4: like that's her immediate suspicion. But nobody ever comes with.

656
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: A ransom note.

657
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 4: Hundreds of people descend on the ranch in case the grounds.

658
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 4: Edith was seen every single day, and there's just eerially

659
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: no sign of her whatsoever not on the ranch grounds. Man,

660
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 4: Allie just really wanted to fuck with me, but putting.

661
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Or or which really just keeps putting it in there.

662
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say that anymore.

663
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Did you ever go to orchard supply hardware's going that

664
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: could help you? Just think of that.

665
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, I'll.

666
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: Get you a nomadic aid that fixes this problem by

667
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: the time the story is over.

668
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: Appreciate you.

669
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

670
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 4: So, basically they look over where they can't find her.

671
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 4: Neighbors and local townspeople.

672
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: Join the search.

673
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: Dogs, horses, everyone is looking for her because this is fair.

674
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: What dogs and horses? Hey, man, this way rusty after

675
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: you lay on their own accord.

676
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 3: This is weird. Yeah, May remember name nay.

677
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: May is out there.

678
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: There's some joke there.

679
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Bank, where most of Edith's money is kept,

680
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: puts up a thousand dollars reward for information leading to

681
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 4: her being found.

682
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 3: Do you want to or should we.

683
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: Just fifty eight thousand dollars?

684
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: Eighteen?

685
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: It's fucking this is it's never satisfying. It's never right,

686
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 4: and it's never satisfying anyway.

687
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: I like it.

688
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 3: That's we saw the photo. It's a big old thing and.

689
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 2: This is a this is the time where Georgia kind

690
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: of doesn't want to do her story anymore. You know,

691
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: you saw that.

692
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: I don't like going first. I don't know why it is.

693
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just got power through it.

694
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really funny, as you can always tell because

695
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: my glass is always empty by the end of the

696
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 3: show and Karen's is it like who gets nervous? And

697
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: thank you? That's feet. So there's some tips.

698
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: Someone says they spotted Edith in the town of red Bluff,

699
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 4: which is more than one hundred miles nobody north of

700
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: Eden's home.

701
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: They're trying to rep red Bluff back there. We love it, and.

702
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 4: But there's like there's always like wild goose shades tips

703
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 4: and nothing comes fruition. And so basically, with Edith having

704
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: been missed in a whole week, the weather gets much hot.

705
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 4: It's in the middle of summer, and the concern is

706
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: that Edith could not survive in such conditions without food

707
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 4: or water. And you know at night, we know it

708
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 4: gets really cold as well, and she wasn't.

709
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: Wearing a lot of layers.

710
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 4: So meanwhile, her brothers Matt and Nay are forced into

711
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: close proximity over the course of the investigation, which they

712
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 4: don't like to do, and they have screaming matches in

713
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 4: the Sheriff's office in front of newspapers. Like these dudes,

714
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 4: they're like the Gallagher brothers, like a Rasis.

715
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: We're just like, can't even you know.

716
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: Nolan, Liam are in a the sheriffs. I like that

717
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: they the journalists are there where. It's like if everyone

718
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: could meet, well, my brother and I fight, that would

719
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:38,479
Speaker 2: be great.

720
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 4: I hate you so much that I can't not yell

721
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: at you in front of a place that's going to

722
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 4: tell everyone we're.

723
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: Yelling at you.

724
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: You immediately turn around, right or that word.

725
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 4: And so basically Nay blames his brother for hiring the

726
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 4: nurse that Edith ran away from, saying it's the nurse's

727
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 4: fault that she ran and it's his brother's fault for

728
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: hiring him.

729
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: And Matt on the other hand.

730
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: Believes that Edith has been kidnapped, and so they're just

731
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: arguing about what happened to her in neither of them no,

732
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 4: and it's not cool. So basically, despite all the sightings

733
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: and efforts put into finding Edith, she's still not found

734
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 4: by the end of summer, and people begin moving on

735
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 4: from what has become a harrowing and really strenuous weeks

736
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: long search effort until September nineteenth, a little more than

737
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 4: two months after Edith disappears, the eighteen year old son

738
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 4: of a neighboring rancher is walking along a dried up

739
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: creek bed. Yeah, looking for a looking for a stick

740
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: to knock fruit off the trees.

741
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: It sounds illegal.

742
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we like to do out in the country.

743
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: It's stick time, we say to each other. And then

744
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 2: we search and search in the creek bed.

745
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 3: And then this part is why they hate us.

746
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 4: Yes, when he finds Edith's body, and shit, why everyone

747
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 4: hates us?

748
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: I was about to say shouldn't do a character right

749
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: right before you. Sorry, that's on me.

750
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,959
Speaker 3: It's badly decomposed.

751
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 4: And this leads sheriff to wonder if Edith's body could

752
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 4: have possibly been in this one spot since she died.

753
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: But the creek bed is about a mile and a

754
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: half from Edith's house and has been searched many, many

755
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 4: times since Edith's disappearance two months prior, so it seems

756
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 4: that the only possible explanation is that Edith's body had

757
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 4: been brought there sometime after her death, right Like, they

758
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: couldn't have just not seen it, right, since the most

759
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 4: thorough searching was done and the week after her disappearance.

760
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: Another theory is that maybe she was alive for a

761
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 4: week and wandering and then died in the spot, either

762
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: at someone's hand or of natural causes. And at the

763
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: same time, a deputy sheriff says that that spot had

764
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 4: been searched at least fifty times. Oh wow, yeah, it's

765
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 4: very mysterious, but in many weeks after her disappearance, and

766
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 4: by different parties every time.

767
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, it.

768
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: Seems like that it's there's a disagreement on like when

769
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: people actually search that area. But it's enough times to

770
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: be like, it's not two times, it's fifty times.

771
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: Right.

772
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: That's that's math.

773
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 2: That is simple math.

774
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: So it's possible that Edith died at this spot in

775
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 4: the spot of natural causes, but she would have to

776
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 4: have been somewhere else during the roughly two week period

777
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 4: when the highest number.

778
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: Of people were looking for her.

779
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 4: But basically, uh okay. So Edith's cousin Read Wolf's Skille,

780
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: recalls looking in that exact spot almost two weeks after

781
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: Edith's disappearance, and Read, along with another cousin, is the

782
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,959
Speaker 4: one to identify her body via clothes and shoes.

783
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: Found near her. And so at this point, Edith's brother Nay,

784
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: who had thought Edith had wandered away and it was

785
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: the housekeeper's fault, he changes his mind and agrees with

786
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: his estranged brother because it's just doesn't make any sense

787
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: that no one would have found her.

788
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 4: He thinks that will play is involved. And basically it's

789
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 4: very strange, and you know that they think someone had

790
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: been trying to keep her hidden until she was found.

791
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 4: And strangely, Edith is not wearing the shirt and skirt

792
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 4: she left home in. Instead, she's wearing brown men's overalls

793
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: described as a kind mostly worn by carpenters. And there's

794
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 4: a handwritten note in her pocket, so basically they have

795
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 4: to do a chemical process to find out what it

796
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 4: actually says because it's so worn. But it says, quote,

797
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: do not give anything dot dot dot, do not show sympathy,

798
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 4: dot dot dot, do not speak to any nurse, dot

799
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: dot dot, do not speak magic, walk out, sleep only

800
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 4: in the daytime, and drink water, bathe before I dress,

801
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: use gifts, shun all change, right, Like there's no way

802
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: or decoding that.

803
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: Or she's writing a song, but hold on, do you

804
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: think there's a possibility this is like a list to

805
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: herself and she went out in disguise.

806
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 4: It seems like, yeah, maybe she's trying to escape, Like

807
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: maybe there's more to her captivity than just keeping her

808
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 4: at home, right, maybe they're actually keeping her captive. And

809
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: so there's not a lot about the handwriting and whether

810
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 4: it was hers or not written. But about a day later,

811
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 4: investigators discovered that signs that someone has been living in

812
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: a shack on the ranch bordering the Wolf's skilled property.

813
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: The owner of the property had thought that the cabin

814
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: had been abandoned for years, but on the stove there

815
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 4: are eggshells and other food scraps, as if someone had

816
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 4: been living there.

817
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: We haven't seen scrambled eggs here in twenty five years. Right,

818
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 2: thank you. I had to do it.

819
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: You did, and I appreciate you.

820
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 4: The bed looks like it had been recently slept in,

821
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 4: and on the walls various phrases have been scrawled and

822
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: they look like religious works, ws and phrases that Edith

823
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: often wrote on her walks on like fences and stuff.

824
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 4: Another neighboring rancher, I mean, this is so stupid, says

825
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: that on July seventeen, three days after her disappearance, when

826
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 4: everyone is looking for her, he heard a woman's screams

827
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 4: coming from the cabin and just didn't do anything about it.

828
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: Does nothing.

829
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the mystery of whether Edith was living in

830
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: the cabin, which seems likely, and whether she was alone

831
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 4: or held there, we don't know. But prior to her

832
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 4: disappearance in recent years she was She had always returned

833
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: home from her hike, so it's not.

834
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: Like she was totally held captive. She was allowed to

835
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: roam as much as she wanted.

836
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: So three surgeons examined Edith's body and at least one

837
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 4: of them.

838
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: Doctor A. A.

839
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: Berger, your best friend, my best bestie. He disagrees with

840
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 4: the theory that there's foul play involved, and none of

841
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: her because none of her bones are broken and she

842
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: hasn't ingested any poison, and both he and the pathologist

843
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 4: named Am Moody.

844
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: What's with all these it was all initials.

845
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, actually find a blood clot in her brain.

846
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 3: Oh all right, so they say she could have died

847
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: of natural causes, but it doesn't explain how she got

848
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: to the spot where she was found after they had

849
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: already looked there. But any evidence from the overalls is inconclusive.

850
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the they're not doing hardcore science on

851
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: those overalls back then, you know, they're like, shake them out.

852
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: Nothing great, Yeah, that's that's forensic files back then.

853
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, shake them out and then read the ruins of

854
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 2: the dust on the grass.

855
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 4: So basically, a couple months later, the Solano County Corner

856
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: concludes an in question to the cause of death, and

857
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 4: that Solano you guys like Salona.

858
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 2: They're literally doing it to every city and county.

859
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 4: But I want it, I want I know. And the

860
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 4: verdict is death from cause unknown. I think there's another photo.

861
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 4: Let's take a look at this picture.

862
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: If there is.

863
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: He, then that was her.

864
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I'm older than her.

865
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: There's like she's thirty. Yeah, exactly.

866
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: It's all botox and filler over here.

867
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: But do we think that her the blood clot in

868
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: her brain had something to do with her behavior?

869
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: That would be my like stupid random guess. Yeah, you know,

870
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: it's yeah, might be.

871
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: It would be my very educated.

872
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 3: I bet right, I mean be interesting, Yeah.

873
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: To know. I thought that from an episode of Law

874
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 2: and Orders, behavior changes.

875
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: It'd be really interesting to know.

876
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, I'm telling the story for my favorite murder, which

877
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: means we don't fucking know.

878
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

879
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: And then by the.

880
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 4: Time that her verdict her cause of death is is released,

881
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 4: Edith's brothers seemed to be ready to just let go.

882
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: They do't make any public contests of the findings. Nay

883
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 4: and his wife accompany edith body to Los Angeles, where

884
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: she's buried in a plot next to her parents, and

885
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 4: the brothers battle it out over how to manage Vee's estate,

886
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 4: because she did have a chunk of that, and they

887
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: were looked into and they didn't need her portion of

888
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 4: the estate, and it seems like they hated each other

889
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 4: but cared about her. So after a month they agree

890
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 4: to put a trust company in charge of what she

891
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: left behind, which is somewhere between in today's money.

892
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: Nine and eighteen million dollars I know. And because she

893
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: was worth so much, some speculate that it was her brother's.

894
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 4: But it doesn't seem I just said that, it doesn't

895
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: seem like him. And that's the story of the unexplained

896
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: disappearance and death of Edith Irene Wolfskille, the Empress of

897
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 4: the World, The.

898
00:47:51,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: Empress of the world. Thank you, crazy, slam it down.

899
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: That was great, Yeah, okay, everything's great. Now where do you?

900
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 2: Where do you handle? Where do you?

901
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: Kendra? Kendra?

902
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: Where do you? If you were going to go apple picking?

903
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: What would you walk through to do that?

904
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: A field.

905
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: Of trees, A cops of trees? Oh, someone reads books.

906
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: All right, We'll just let's get through my story real

907
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 2: quick and get out of here.

908
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 3: We're all busy.

909
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: My story starts in the late nineteen eighties when I

910
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: was at my prime. Oh what's this. Let's take a look.

911
00:48:47,640 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's right, Billy, I wish could never

912
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 4: I wrong name.

913
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 3: Wow.

914
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: Meanwhile in Orange County, I don't.

915
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 3: Know what she's gonna do.

916
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: It's so funny.

917
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: Today she texts me and she's like, is it okay

918
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 4: if I have been send a photo of you and

919
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 4: you're not gonna know what it is, but I'm gonna

920
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 4: put it up, like do you trust me? Basically, and

921
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 4: she was like, I don't know what to do.

922
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: No, no, go back.

923
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 3: I want to see the storage nailed it.

924
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like, I don't want to embarrass you

925
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: or anything.

926
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 2: But I think that's perfect.

927
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's his mammoth right there.

928
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 2: You're doing You're in mammoth wearing a mammoth sweatshirt. I'm

929
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: trying to seriously graduate from high school with all my

930
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: eyebrows and tack.

931
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that makes me want to cry. I

932
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: don't know why. It's like I just.

933
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: Thought i'd you know, really ground I loves at the

934
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: top of this story.

935
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 3: I love it.

936
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. So this does start. We make our

937
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: way back to the barrier, but it starts at Princeton

938
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 2: University in New Jersey. If you've ever heard of it,

939
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: Admissions officials receive an application that they take note of.

940
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: It's less a formal application and more of a glorified

941
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 2: note sent by a seventeen year old student named Alexi Santana,

942
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 2: and in it, Alexi paints a romantic picture of his

943
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: life in Utah, hurting cattle by day and reading Plato

944
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 2: by campfire at night, sleeping outside under the stars with

945
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: his horse named good Enough by his side. Ouch, right,

946
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: good enough.

947
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 4: It sounds like the beginning of legally Blonde.

948
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: We'll see what if I just read you this script

949
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,479
Speaker 2: of legally Blonde? I'm like and good night. So there's

950
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: no teacher recommendations or list of extracurricular activities that are

951
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 2: included in this. Apparently that's what you do and you

952
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: can submit for college. There's not even a high school transcript,

953
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: but Alexi does include a newspaper clipping from a track

954
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: meet that he's won. And then Alexi explains that his

955
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: difficult life circumstances an absent father and a deathly old

956
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: mother who needs his constant care have kept him from

957
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: traditional schooling. He actually claims that he's never once set

958
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: foot in a school and that he's entirely self taught,

959
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 2: and yet he has higher than average set scores and

960
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: a clear athletic talent. The Princeton officials are amazed, and

961
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: in the end, Alexi is not only admitted to Princeton,

962
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 2: but he's given a twenty thousand dollars athletic scholarship. But

963
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: he has to defer for a year because of his

964
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: sick mother. But in the fall of nineteen eighty nine,

965
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 2: he finally arrives on the Princeton campus. But what no

966
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: one at Princeton knows is that this brilliant, philosophical, athletic

967
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: young cowboy named Alexei Santana does not exist. And the

968
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: Alexi who shows up on campus to begin matriculation, I

969
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: I just threw it. It is actually a twenty nine year

970
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: old drifter with a criminal rap sheet and a history

971
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: of this same con that he's already pulled right here

972
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: in the Bay Area. This is the story of the

973
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: college conman James.

974
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 3: Hoague, whoa love a con man, Love a con man story.

975
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: So some of the main sources used in this one

976
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: are David Samuel's deep dive article for The New Yorker

977
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 2: entitled The Runner, which ran. Thank you for getting all

978
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: the way down on the ground.

979
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 3: She also ran, which is pretty cool.

980
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: That is the runner right there. David Samuel's deep dive

981
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: article The Runner, which ran in The New Yorker in

982
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, a New York Times article by

983
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: James Barron An M. A. Farber, and a Denver Post

984
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 2: article entitled The con Artist next Door by Nancy Loughholm.

985
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 2: So James Hoague is born in nineteen fifty nine in

986
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: a working class neighborhood in Kansas City, Kansas. And from

987
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: the beginning, sure two things. From the beginning, two things

988
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 2: are pretty clear. James is smart, and he's obsessed with running.

989
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: He's very good at it, so much so that he

990
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: sees running as his ticket to a higher income bracket.

991
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: His dream is to parlay his incredible athletic skills into

992
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: a scholarship to a top tier college, which will then

993
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: lay the foundation for his future success. One child childhood

994
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: friend named Keith Mark will later the two first names

995
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 2: my least favorite thing in the world, will later describe

996
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 2: James as quote one of the smartest kids that I've

997
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 2: ever known, a very good, polite kid, never in any trouble,

998
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 2: trained all the time, had a tremendous gift to run,

999
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 2: literally the best runner he could have been Olympic class.

1000
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 2: He had big time talent, is what he had. End

1001
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: quote is what he had. But Keith, actually the full

1002
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 2: end of the the end of the full quote is

1003
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 2: includes this important line quote. But when we were in

1004
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,399
Speaker 2: high school, James was very much an individualist and he

1005
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: did not like to be told what to do. End quote.

1006
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, join us, join us, James. So from

1007
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: a young age, James resists and rebels against any authority,

1008
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: and he seems to have a bit of an ego

1009
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: as well. So now it's nineteen seventy seven, James enrolls

1010
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 2: at the University of Wyoming. No one nobody lives there.

1011
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: That's right, that's nobody was there. So he's made it

1012
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: on the varsity cross country team as a freshman. It's

1013
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 2: his dream come true. And actually, the University of Wyoming

1014
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 2: has been investing in its track program and recruiting the

1015
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 2: best young runners from a the world. Calm live in Wyoming.

1016
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: Run run away.

1017
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: So for the first time in his life, James is

1018
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: actually struggling to keep up. The other recruits are way

1019
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: faster than him. He starts practicing harder, He pushes his

1020
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 2: body to the point of injury and his friends can

1021
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: tell that it's all getting to him because he seems

1022
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: to get really down on himself. But they also noticed

1023
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: that he suddenly got a bunch of stuff like medals

1024
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: and bicycles and stereos that he never had before, and

1025
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: it is at the very least suspicious. So now James

1026
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: is around twenty years old, he's a sophomore. He's in

1027
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 2: his sophomore year of college, doing very well in classes.

1028
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 2: You did great, no one noticed, but he's still struggling

1029
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: on the track. He competes in a regional track meet.

1030
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: He finishes this one's a heartbreaker, two hundred and twenty

1031
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 2: six out of two hundred and fifty runners.

1032
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: You just don't even want to.

1033
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: No, you know at that point, and he takes his

1034
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 2: running very seriously. So obviously this is devastating. This is

1035
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: that kind of thing where like you're in high school

1036
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 2: and you're like, God, I'm so good at this thing,

1037
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: and then you you step one foot out into the

1038
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: real world and you're like, I'm fucking terrible at everything.

1039
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 3: That's what Los Angeles is full of. That's really hot

1040
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: people from their hometown who come to LA and then

1041
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: it's like the most beautiful people you've ever seen in

1042
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: your fucking life. Yeah, and you're just cute. Yeah, that's right,

1043
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: you're the neighbor. You become the neighbor in the sitcom.

1044
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 3: You're I don't know about.

1045
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: You're cute and you're like maybe you can tap dance

1046
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: a little. And other than that, everyone's a supermodel and

1047
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,760
Speaker 2: they're like a quadruple triple threat.

1048
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: That's right.

1049
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, we'll explain Hollywood to you and just give

1050
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: us a second. So now, Jane and I said that,

1051
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: and he's doing okay. So out of two fifty, he

1052
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: comes in two twenty six, right, not lock up. Not

1053
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: long after this, James drops out of school completely and

1054
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: then he resurfaces down in Austin, Texas, where he enrolls

1055
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 2: at the University of Texas. Nope with a major with

1056
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: a major in chemical engineering.

1057
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 3: Wait, he can do chemical engineering? And he's like mad

1058
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 3: at running. Yes, like I can do neither of those things.

1059
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: And he's still depressed. We've got a look on the

1060
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: bright side, guys, who are you gar So he also

1061
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: joins the track team and he's getting excellent grades, but

1062
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 2: he is not doing well at track. UT's head recruiter,

1063
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: James Blackwood will remember. Quote he wasn't a bad college runner,

1064
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: probably better than average decent, But I think he thought

1065
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: he was better than a lot of guys on the

1066
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: Texas team. Then he got out there with them and

1067
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 2: they ran him into the ground. End quote. Yeah. So,

1068
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty two, James's five year eligibility to complete

1069
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: to compete in NCAA events expires, effectively his college running career.

1070
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: But instead of focusing his energy on getting his degree

1071
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: in chemical engineering, which was what he was doing and

1072
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 2: apparently good at, he gets really depressed and the next

1073
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: year he's caught stealing equipment from a local bike shop.

1074
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: So he's arrested, and this is his first documented run

1075
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: in with the law, but it is not his last.

1076
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: So he drops out of ut with only a couple

1077
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: credits left for him to graduate, and then he just disappears.

1078
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: How many credits do you still need to grow?

1079
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: I almost have my associates in very many, many things.

1080
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 3: Oh so I was like, no, I don't want to

1081
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 3: do that. I'm I'll switch it cald Yeah.

1082
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 2: What about cooking? Okay, So about two years after this,

1083
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: in late nineteen eighty five, James is now around twenty

1084
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: five years old, and he resurfaces. This time it's at

1085
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: the enrollment office of Palo Alto High School also known

1086
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: as PALLI and James is now claiming to be seventeen

1087
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 2: years old.

1088
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: Oh shit.

1089
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: He tells them that he is an orphan named j

1090
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: Mitchell Huntsman, and he has an incredible story. He claims

1091
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 2: he was born in San Diego but raised on a

1092
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 2: Nevada commune and write all of it, and he says

1093
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: he's entirely self educated. This is going to fund sound

1094
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: familiar and just a disciplined athlete who runs upwards of

1095
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 2: sixty miles a week. That part might actually be true.

1096
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 2: He also claims both of his parents have recently died

1097
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: in a car accident, but he still wants to work

1098
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 2: towards his diploma while putting his running skills to use

1099
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: on the school's track team. He plans to hopefully get

1100
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: admitted to Stanford University in a couple of years, which

1101
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: happens to be which happens to be right across the

1102
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: street from Palo Alto High School.

1103
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: So he was just like, you know what, let me start.

1104
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: Over, Yes, start over in high school. In high school?

1105
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: So uh, he can't let the track dream go sure,

1106
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: obviously me neither right, you'll do it someday. So and

1107
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: it's kind of weird because he could have had a

1108
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 2: degree from college in chemical engineering, but he's going.

1109
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 3: Back, got a basics suck those nees up, that's right.

1110
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 2: So the good news is James's scheme totally works and

1111
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: people buy this story. Even though he looks a bit

1112
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: older than he claims to be, his classmates and teachers

1113
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: just shrug it off. One faculty member actually tells reporters

1114
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 2: later quote, as a teacher, I thought it was rude

1115
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: for me to even think that he was older, even

1116
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: though he was very thin and you could see the

1117
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: shadow of his beard.

1118
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: Okay, now this is that Drew Barrymore movie goes back.

1119
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 2: To exactly same if she loved jogging. Okay, So what's

1120
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: a important is that twenty five year old James is

1121
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: now running high school track again, and this time he

1122
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: is killing it. Of course, he got his second chance

1123
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 2: as Jay Huntsman. He crushes the first competitive cross country

1124
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: race that he is enrolled in, so much so that

1125
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 2: he gets write ups in a local newspaper about him.

1126
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: To that. Yeah, but one sports reporter from a newspaper

1127
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: called The Peninsula Times Tribune, which doesn't exist anymore. That

1128
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 2: journalist named Jason Cole is there that day, and he's

1129
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: a little skeptical. He has this nagging feeling about this

1130
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: very mature looking student, so he decides to do some digging,

1131
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: to the point where he actually requests a copy of

1132
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 2: j Huntsman's birth certificate from the city of San Diego.

1133
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 2: And that's when Jason learns the real Jay Huntsman died

1134
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: in infancy more than a decade earlier. So although he

1135
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: can't explain the why here, Jason is positive that Pali,

1136
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: his newest track star, is actually a grown man. God,

1137
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 2: how creepy the best. I love it so much. It's

1138
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: the kind of thing where, like I it would be

1139
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: like a weird dream slash nightmare I would have where

1140
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: it's like I'd be in high school and people like, hey,

1141
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: you go into the dance of like I'm forty two,

1142
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 2: what are you guys doing? I can't I shouldn't be here.

1143
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: Where are my pants? So while journalist Jason Cole works

1144
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 2: on this expose, James's living life is a life as

1145
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: an orphaned high school track star, and the Pali community

1146
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: just embraces and supports him. In October of nineteen eighty five,

1147
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: he wins the Stanford Invitational High School cross country race.

1148
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 3: See if you want you can't win.

1149
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 4: You know, you have to keep a low profile. You

1150
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 4: got like fourth place.

1151
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 2: No, no, not not old two hundred and twenty fifth place.

1152
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna win every single chance he gets.

1153
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: Shit.

1154
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: And this is actually described by one reporter as quote,

1155
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: the most prestigious high school race in the country for

1156
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 2: an adult, for an old man. But only days after

1157
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: that victory comes Jason Cole's byline, as in the Peninsula

1158
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: Times Tribune, and it says, it's pretty Mystery Runner's history.

1159
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 3: Oh that's a snappy title.

1160
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway we can get these pictures from a

1161
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: little further back at all, we may have we made it.

1162
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: That could have been us uploading them that way for sure. Okay.

1163
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: So basically that says the Mystery Runners History, and it

1164
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: exposes James and deposits that he stole Jay Huntsman's identity

1165
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: after seeing the birth and death dates on the headstone.

1166
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: One of James's old friends from Wyoming is interviewed in

1167
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: this article and he describes James as quote mischievous before

1168
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: adding quote, but I thought he would have grown out

1169
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 2: of it by now. Woo, So what do you mean

1170
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 2: he's only a junior ouch. So before they have a

1171
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 2: chance to expel him, James drops out of Pali and

1172
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: he's like, no, no, I'll see myself out. And then

1173
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: the end authorities decide not to press charges White, but

1174
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: the community he leaves behind is stunned. An article in

1175
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: Pally's Verdet magazine, this is a high school so rich

1176
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: they have their own magazine what and they report quote

1177
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 2: His teammates all liked him. They were pretty upset that

1178
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 2: he pulled their chain. That he pulled their chain when

1179
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 2: he left. It wasn't like they hated him from then on.

1180
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 2: They were just really disappointed that he wasn't what he

1181
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: said he was and that they had been bamboozled.

1182
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: That was that Karen's voice.

1183
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm a journalist from Pally's magazine ver Day,

1184
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: and we're pissed about Jay Huntsman being not real. Just

1185
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: to give you a sense, this is what Ja Huntsman

1186
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: James look like, claiming to be a seventeen year old. Please,

1187
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 2: we should have put that up earlier. It's gonna get close.

1188
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be close.

1189
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 5: No.

1190
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: Hey, hey Darcy, Hey Darcy, do you have your homework?

1191
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 2: Can I borrow your homework?

1192
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 3: But but he looks like James Spader, and he does

1193
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 3: look like an eighties teenager, like movie teenager, you know

1194
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 3: what I mean.

1195
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: He does have a little Vince Averil in him too.

1196
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: Oh my god, doesn't he He's got an eighties eighties Vince.

1197
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 3: Old school style and the shirt Vince would wear that shirt.

1198
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,120
Speaker 2: Hey, do you guys want to meet in the quad

1199
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: for lunch? No, Dad, get away from us.

1200
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 3: I mean they probably just thought it was a narc right.

1201
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: This was years before twenty one Jump Street. I think though,

1202
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: it's like when people are super into running. You're like, yeah,

1203
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: I guess that's what he looks like. I don't know

1204
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: that's that what it is running son, I guess.

1205
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 3: Fucky looks like my husband Jesus Christ.

1206
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: We'll have to do a side by side. Okay. So

1207
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 2: a few weeks after he exits himself from Pally, he

1208
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: gets caught writing a bad check while buying contact lenses.

1209
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: So he pleads with the shop owner and says, I

1210
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: promise that I'll come and pay you back. Just please

1211
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 2: don't have me arrested. Shop owners like, you're a good

1212
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: kid from the track team, and James skips town and

1213
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 2: never pays that shop owner back, man, But we're going

1214
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: to make a donation tonight.

1215
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 3: Just kidding.

1216
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: So months later, he resurfaces in Vail, Colorado with a

1217
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 2: whole new song and dance. This time, he gets himself

1218
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 2: a seasonal job at a cross training camp, the kind

1219
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: where rich people pay to train alone longside champion athletes.

1220
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 2: But this scam is not what you think it is.

1221
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: This time James has sold himself as doctor James Hogue

1222
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: with a PhD in bioengineering, Jesus out of you guessed it,

1223
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: Stanford University, that's right. No one notices until nineteen eighty seven,

1224
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: a couple of years later, when an old acquaintance of

1225
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 2: his from back in Austin learns that James is employed

1226
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: at this camp as a doctor and reports him.

1227
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 4: Fuck that guy, you know, Like, how do you know

1228
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 4: while you were in Austin he didn't get a fucking doctorate?

1229
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 4: I mean, dick, and what does it snitches?

1230
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 2: I think snitches get stitches for sure, But don't you

1231
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: think James like stole something of his and it just like,

1232
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: there's that fucking guy that took that really good stereo

1233
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 2: I loved, yeah or something.

1234
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 3: Or he's a doctor.

1235
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 4: What's that thing when they pretend stolen Valor, that's the one.

1236
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: It's stolen doctor Valor. Okay, According to the camp owner,

1237
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: When Sames is confronted about this, the camp owner says, quote,

1238
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: he didn't say much. He didn't say too much. I

1239
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: don't think he ever admitted he wasn't who he said

1240
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: he was. He never apologized. It was like, hey, I

1241
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: got busted. I'll go somewhere else and scam them. End quote.

1242
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 2: You've got to interview people like this at your newspaper,

1243
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 2: if you have the power to do this. That's a

1244
01:08:22,840 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: good quote, because that's just what James does. Within months,

1245
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 2: he's drifted to San Diego, and in October of that year,

1246
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: he burglarizes oh bike. He burglarizes the bike shop his

1247
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,759
Speaker 2: roommate owns. So he shows up in town, gets a roommate,

1248
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: Nice to meet you, cool, we like the same movies. Whatever,

1249
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: will you share your like frozen dinners with me?

1250
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1251
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,679
Speaker 2: Best friends, And he goes and burglarizes his bike shop

1252
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 2: and he steals about twenty grand in tools and bike parts,

1253
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: which is in today's money work.

1254
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 3: What is it eighty it's eighty seven eighty seven, and

1255
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 3: today's twenty is two hundred and forty nine.

1256
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: It's fifty six thousand dollars. And then he skips town

1257
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 2: and he goes to the southwestern Utah city of Saint

1258
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,760
Speaker 2: George and he starts working there as a bike mechanic

1259
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 2: with all of his roommates stolen.

1260
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: So, Dick, yeah, that is just.

1261
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 2: But within a year setting up shop there, another cyclist

1262
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 2: notices that some of James's tools have a different guy's

1263
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: name engraved on them. So once again on Shwinn or whatever. Hey,

1264
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: you didn't say your name was Shwinn. So he gets

1265
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: narked on as well. Okay, and when officers search James's home,

1266
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: they find a lot of stolen property, as well as

1267
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: evidence that he's been applying to Ivy League schools again,

1268
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: this time under the name Alexis Santana. So now we're

1269
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 2: back at the beginning.

1270
01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 3: Like, how did he get that name? He picked it

1271
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,719
Speaker 3: out of a like birth month favorite band?

1272
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: Yes whatever, I wanted that to sound like smooth, but

1273
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 2: it didn't. We can't clear it anyway, Alexi Santana. It's

1274
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 2: that's the name you come up with when you are stoned.

1275
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: So the good news is Alexi has been accepted to

1276
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: both Princeton and Brown. Wow, but he's decided to go

1277
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 2: to Princeton. He actually got in Jesus, So these plans

1278
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: are put on hold, remember back at the beginning, because

1279
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: his very deathly ill mother was sick and so Alexi

1280
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,600
Speaker 2: had to defer for a year. Remember that this was

1281
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 2: when James was arrested and convicted on possession of stolen

1282
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: property charges and sentenced to five years in prison. Oh

1283
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 2: my sick mom. Yepp my sick mom in prison. Here's

1284
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 2: the good news. He's paroled after ten months. Of course,

1285
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: so you'd think a prison sentence would derail the whole

1286
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: Ivy League Fantasy League plan, but Alexi Santana has his

1287
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: explanation ready to go, so it's all fine. Princeton buys

1288
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 2: it and allows James to quietly complete his prison sentence.

1289
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: They don't realize they're doing that. So then then the

1290
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: fall of nineteen eighty nine, twenty nine year old James

1291
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 2: arrives in New Jersey campus as freshman Alexi Santana ready

1292
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 2: for the eighty nine ninety school year. But traveling across

1293
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: state lines is a violation of his parole, and this

1294
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 2: violation triggers a warrant for his arrest. Unfortunately, Utah authorities

1295
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:41,520
Speaker 2: have no idea how to find him. So on Princeton's campus,

1296
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: freshman Alexi Santana. He's shy, he's a little awkward, but

1297
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: there's something about him.

1298
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh god, we would totally have dated this point.

1299
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: I'd absolutely be like, I don't know, he's just so

1300
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: old looking.

1301
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: He's so mysterious and old looking and old looking.

1302
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: So his classmates mostly like him, they just kind of

1303
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 2: can't follow his life story. The New York Times reports

1304
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: that Alexi quote seemed so unflappable that hardly any of

1305
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 2: his classmates asked about his apparent discrepancies in the stories

1306
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 2: he told about himself. He told some students that he

1307
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 2: was an orphan, others that his mother was dying. End quote.

1308
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: But hey, let's not get bogged down in details. What's

1309
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 2: important here is that Alexi maintains a loaded class schedule,

1310
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 2: gets great grades, and gets invited to join some of

1311
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 2: the most exclusive university clubs because he's a man. But

1312
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: most importantly, but it was like, Bob Dylan is here

1313
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 2: to boo Alexi Santana thank you. Most importantly, Alexi has

1314
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 2: quickly become the most one of the most talked about

1315
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 2: athletes on the Princeton track team. He's back, baby. So

1316
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: in February of nineteen ninety one, Alexi participates in the

1317
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 2: Harvard Yale Princeton track meet in New Haven, Connecticut.

1318
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: What kind of snacks are at that?

1319
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: I mean, thanks little finger sandwiches with no crusts. Finally,

1320
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,840
Speaker 2: all of his track based reality denying underage dreams are

1321
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 2: coming true, I wrote. But there's a snag. A runner

1322
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: from one of the other schools is a poly graduate

1323
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: and they recognize Alexi. Alexi, why aren't you talking to me? Alexi? Oh,

1324
01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: his name wasn't Alexi at that other school? They recognize

1325
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 2: this new Alexei Santana as the old Jay whatever his

1326
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: name was. It's really James Hoague and she immediately calls

1327
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 2: reporter Jason Cole, who reaches out to Princeton.

1328
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 3: The old guy from the back of the hen that's right,

1329
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 3: old journalist.

1330
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know about that beard that you have.

1331
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,480
Speaker 2: He breaks the news, the weird news to Princeton, Princeton.

1332
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 2: So in the middle of class, the cops walk into

1333
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: his lecture hall and dramatically arrest James and take him

1334
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 2: away in handcuffs. You're not young.

1335
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 3: Someone's running for reelection that year.

1336
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. You go make an example of that

1337
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: super weird old guy. He's charged with violating parole, forgery,

1338
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 2: wrongful impersonation, and falsifying records, and he is able to

1339
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,760
Speaker 2: post bail incredibly sold some of his stolen stuff while

1340
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: awaiting trial. He is allowed to relocate to Cambridge, Massachusetts,

1341
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 2: where he starts taking classes at Harvard Extension. He won't stop.

1342
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 3: It's funny how hard I tried to get away from

1343
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 3: college and this fucking guy.

1344
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: This guy can't stay away. He's like, assign me something

1345
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: long and difficult.

1346
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: Okay.

1347
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: At one point he's hired to cattle precious minerals and

1348
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 2: gems for the college and these people are supposed to

1349
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:09,719
Speaker 2: be fucking smart. While he's working there, about fifty grand

1350
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: worth of gems go missing from Harvard worth.

1351
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 3: Around fifty grand. You said that button nine hundred and thirty.

1352
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 2: One hundred and twenty thousand dollars. You go too high.

1353
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,719
Speaker 3: You're stupid. You got too low and you're tucking.

1354
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,879
Speaker 2: This is it's a it's a humbling practice.

1355
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 3: Uh huh, this podcast, this spot, this.

1356
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: Whole situation and life. They're also an expensive microscope and

1357
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 2: a chair with the Harvard seal imprinted on it go missing.

1358
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 3: Can I just sell this at a pawnshop? Right?

1359
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 2: Actually, the police find all of these items in James's room,

1360
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 2: so he's again arrested. He's charged with even more crimes.

1361
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 2: He's found guilty on four counts back in Princeton, so

1362
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: he's he's found guilty on those charges. Now he's found

1363
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 2: guilty for these stuff at Harvard for all these crimes.

1364
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 2: He serves somewhere around two years. Uh huh, put up

1365
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 2: the picture of big white head again. And then a

1366
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 2: couple of years after getting out of prison. In nineteen

1367
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 2: ninety six, James is back in the news for going

1368
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: back to Prinson, posing as a geology student named Jim MacArthur.

1369
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: Guy.

1370
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: He's like, hold on this time, I'm gonna wear my

1371
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: sweater a little bit, a little bit tighter, collar up

1372
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 2: British accent. He has arrested for trespassing, although it does

1373
01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 2: seem like those charges were dropped in nineteen ninety seven.

1374
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: The following year, he lands in Teleride, Colorado. By now

1375
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 2: nuh uh.

1376
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: By.

1377
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: Now he's in his late thirties working as a carpenter

1378
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,599
Speaker 2: and a contractor, courting the very ritzy clientele that lives there.

1379
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: His passion is still running now, can't get rid of

1380
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 2: that jogger and I'm He becomes known for always literally

1381
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: running around town. So even though he is trying to

1382
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: live a lower profile life, his story has actually become

1383
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: widely circulated at this point, and he's actually kind of famous.

1384
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, writer David Samuels pens a

1385
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 2: deep dive on James for The New Yorker. Two thousand

1386
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 2: and three, filmmaker Jesse Moss makes a documentary about him

1387
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 2: called con Man. Jesse was a student at Pali while

1388
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:35,519
Speaker 2: Jay Huntsman went to school there. So James he works

1389
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 2: in Telly Ride for a while, running around town. He's

1390
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 2: the contractor everybody wants to hire, until he's caught after

1391
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: a woman accuses him of stealing her throw pillows. That's right,

1392
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: what she's like. Their contractor was here to give me

1393
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 2: a bid on that crack in the floorboard.

1394
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: My nasty throat pillow.

1395
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 2: And now my throat pillars are gone. So she Noja

1396
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 2: goes to his house to confront him. I don't do that,

1397
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 2: And at the front door of his house she looks

1398
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 2: past and then throw pillows are on his couch.

1399
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,200
Speaker 4: Okay, that is the weirdest thing to steal, Like what

1400
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 4: did he shove them up his shirt?

1401
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. You can do anything you want

1402
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: with them because they're yours. Now you've stolen that, fair

1403
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 2: and square. So this leads to a search of his property,

1404
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: and per an article from the Denver Post, officers find

1405
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,280
Speaker 2: quote a storage locker and a horse trailer crammed with

1406
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: enough fine and odd stolen items to stock a flea market.

1407
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: Among them moose antlers, medical books, stuffed bears, bicycles, red silk,

1408
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: high heels, ooo, rare wood, copper pans, power saws, and

1409
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 2: chilled champagne. All right, they would add up to nearly

1410
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:54,839
Speaker 2: seven thousand items and top one hundred thousand dollars in value.

1411
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 2: And he was just like a klepto, or like he

1412
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: likes to remember things sentimental.

1413
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice.

1414
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 2: He's an old softie and he loves throw pillows. Again,

1415
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: James is arrested and sent to jail. He's released in

1416
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. Things are quiet for a while, but then

1417
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,120
Speaker 2: in September of twenty sixteen, James is caught building what

1418
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: newspapers describe as an illegally constructed camouflaged shack on public

1419
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: land right on the side of a Colorado mountain. Oh,

1420
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 2: can we take a look at the shack.

1421
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: Oh it's a real cloth Oh man, that's some unibomber.

1422
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:36,200
Speaker 2: Shit right right now. Listen. So when the officers show

1423
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 2: up to arrest him, he bolts out a back door.

1424
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,879
Speaker 2: There's more than one door this shack. What never forget

1425
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 2: the chemical engineer inside of James. He's not a dumb man.

1426
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: The back door of your creepy shack.

1427
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, let's say, I'm put a door on

1428
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 2: the front. Got our side door where I can run

1429
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 2: out the next time I'm arrested. He goes on the

1430
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: Lamford two months and he's caught again a month later,

1431
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 2: trying to build another shack, not far from the first shack. No,

1432
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 2: I think we can look at that second shock. There

1433
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 2: it is he started.

1434
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 3: That's less of a shack and more of a lean to.

1435
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the thing is he was trying to figure

1436
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: out where to put the third door on the shot

1437
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: and then he's like, God, damn it, the cops are here.

1438
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 2: During this arrest, police find seventeen thousand dollars on his person,

1439
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: as well as evidence proving that he'd sold around seventy

1440
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of stolen goods on eBay. Because now

1441
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 2: he's updated his act for them Digital Age. James is

1442
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 2: convicted on a handful of new charges and sentenced to

1443
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: six years in prison. Officers working on his case will

1444
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 2: describe him as quote a man of brevity, only responding

1445
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: to the detective's questions in a few short words. He

1446
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: didn't seem malicious, but he did paint himself as a

1447
01:20:55,320 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: victim of the government and of social hierarchy and class structures,

1448
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: perhaps like you mean school class structures. His long history

1449
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 2: of deception was masked by a pale, aged and relatively

1450
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: small framed body, and more than anything, he loved to run.

1451
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: That literally is the end of that quote. And can

1452
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 2: we look at that picture? This is him?

1453
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 3: Oh man, very looks like a teenager.

1454
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll.

1455
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,000
Speaker 3: Talk both talks up here.

1456
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 2: Hey, Bobby, do you have a date to the winter formal.

1457
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: That's me and my crazy hair and eyebrows, and he runs, runs,

1458
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: runs away. In twenty nineteen, James Hogue is paroled. As

1459
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: far as anyone knows, he's living somewhere in Colorado. Do

1460
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 2: you think he came to our Denver show?

1461
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 3: Shit?

1462
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 2: Shit? He impersonated a murdery Now he pointed at people,

1463
01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: you're a drag along whatever. He's still on the radar

1464
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 2: of police and reporters, and every so often he resurfaces

1465
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 2: in the news. The last big sighting seems to be

1466
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, when Aspen police respond to a

1467
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:13,639
Speaker 2: burglary at an apartment building, but James is not the burglar.

1468
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: Officers incidentally catch him illegally siphoning electricity with an extension

1469
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: cord from one building's exterior outlet into his car.

1470
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 3: Yes, oooh, I didn't know that's illegal. I would do that.

1471
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just out there.

1472
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 3: It puts a fucking lock on it.

1473
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,799
Speaker 2: As one of the many judges who've encountered James Hogue

1474
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: puts it, quote, I've heard nothing about any mental health

1475
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 2: issues or substance issues or other explanations for his pattern

1476
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 2: of behavior other than this is a lifestyle of a

1477
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: career criminal from what I can tell end quote, but

1478
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:52,440
Speaker 2: his mo is certainly fascinating. James seems to be motivated

1479
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: by a unique combination of financial gain, a deep recurring

1480
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 2: desire to reinvent himself, a misguided need to stick it

1481
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: to the man, and of course his ultimate passion finding

1482
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:10,840
Speaker 2: the opportunity to run competitively against teenagers. To some, to some,

1483
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: James has We're so close to some, James has almost

1484
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 2: become a mythical literary figure. Back at Pally, for example,

1485
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,680
Speaker 2: teachers have paired the Great Gatsby with the David Samuels

1486
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: New Yorker piece on James, which is hilarious and insane,

1487
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,600
Speaker 2: and director Jesse Moss, the Pali alum who made the

1488
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: documentary con Man, has evoked this same comparison, saying, quote,

1489
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 2: I love that James, like Gatsby, was able to transcend

1490
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: his low birth to attain this high position. But he was,

1491
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: like Gatsby, brought low. I think that makes it an

1492
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 2: extraordinary American story. And that's the story of serial scammer

1493
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 2: at one time Bay Area High School James howd right job,

1494
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,480
Speaker 2: Thank you, Love a love a scammer.

1495
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 3: Love a scammer, but always have fun with scammer, your

1496
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:05,639
Speaker 3: own scammer.

1497
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1498
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 3: Do we have time for a home down everybody?

1499
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1500
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 3: Five minutes for Oh, here's Vincere.

1501
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,599
Speaker 2: There is it's James.

1502
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: Listen, gentlemen, Hi, how are you?

1503
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 7: How's it going? High?

1504
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 5: Hi?

1505
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 2: Hi Hi Hi?

1506
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 7: Two tremendous shows. Great job, I realized. Since we're in

1507
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 7: this neck of the woods, I just want to point

1508
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 7: out how much we really love It's It ice cream

1509
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:35,440
Speaker 7: sandwich is a nice.

1510
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 2: Cause they want to send it on.

1511
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 3: A box over that's right, anyone from It's It.

1512
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 2: Hey, the It's It people.

1513
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 7: But in the meantime, I'm going to be over under

1514
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 7: that exit sign to pick up whoever you choose.

1515
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 4: Thank you, oops, thank you, And we're I guess we're

1516
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 4: out of hot dogs, so we have a buck polite

1517
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 4: as koozi.

1518
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's nicey.

1519
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 3: Okay, who can earn tell them about it?

1520
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,879
Speaker 2: Okay, This is a part where someone tells a hometown.

1521
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 2: As we learned that first night in Denver, do not

1522
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: come up here talking about some other city in some

1523
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 2: other state. No one wants to fucking hear that shit.

1524
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 2: It should be it should be Bay area.

1525
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 4: Northern California, Northern California, Central, Central, Northern.

1526
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 2: We had a real good Redding one last night. A

1527
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,760
Speaker 2: cheetah great. Uh, don't be so drunk. You can't tell

1528
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 2: your own story. It needs a beginning, middle, and end,

1529
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,839
Speaker 2: and ultimately just really be yourself.

1530
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, who's got a hometown. Don't point at anyone.

1531
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 3: You fucking swear to God.

1532
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 4: You're very confident. Okay, go go find vince Ye.

1533
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 2: That was a mistake. That was a huge mistake.

1534
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 3: Look over there, My spanks are right.

1535
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: They stood up and then turned to the rest of

1536
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: the audience, did muscles and squatted. We're fucked right.

1537
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 3: Now, We're fucked. This is what you got to do

1538
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:01,439
Speaker 3: it next time.

1539
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 2: Okay. I hate it. I hate picking people. It's heartbreaking, stupid.

1540
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: I just also, they get real mad, but it's all

1541
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: Maddy get really mad.

1542
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 3: Here she comes, it be comes.

1543
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 2: She's scurried. Oh she's the scurrier. She's okay, we like her,

1544
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: We like her.

1545
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah him.

1546
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 2: Sydney like Australia, Sydney, Sydney. Everybody say hi to Sydney.

1547
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:30,320
Speaker 5: Hi.

1548
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Hey is it going? Hey great?

1549
01:26:34,360 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 3: How are you?

1550
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 2: Are you a weightlifter? I am now no, no, just

1551
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 2: because you did that post when you when you got picked,

1552
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 2: you did that pose.

1553
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:46,799
Speaker 3: I'm ready. Oh ship, yeah you are. Where are you from, Sydney?

1554
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 5: We flew in from Phoenix area zone.

1555
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:49,760
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1556
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 5: We love you guys, and we're so happy you're here.

1557
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 2: We're so scared for you right now, Sydney. I'm scared

1558
01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:57,879
Speaker 2: for myself. Yeah.

1559
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 5: So okay, so pretty pretty local.

1560
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 2: Bay area adjacent? Can we go Lake Tahoe? Yeah? Oh yes,

1561
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,000
Speaker 2: that's fair. Is that cool? Yeah?

1562
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay, I thought. So this is my mom's story.

1563
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 5: This is a two part awful, terrible, shitty story that

1564
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 5: happened to my mother.

1565
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yes, awful, terrible.

1566
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 5: So first part of this story, my mother grew up

1567
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 5: in Lake Tahoe.

1568
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,559
Speaker 2: So she is about seventeen years.

1569
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 5: Old, nineteen seventy three, nineteen seventy four, Lake Tahoe. So

1570
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 5: she's walking down the street, she's going to her friend's house,

1571
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 5: walking and then a man comes up from behind her

1572
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 5: and grabs her, grabs her, pulls her into his vehicle.

1573
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 5: She like fights him, She's like, hey, fuck you, you

1574
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 5: piece of shit gets her.

1575
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 2: She's seventeen, she's a baby.

1576
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 5: I'm twenty nine teeny tiny baby, it looks like I'm strong.

1577
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 5: She was stronger than at seventeen. So grabs her, pulls

1578
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 5: her into vehicle. I don't know if it's a van,

1579
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 5: don't know if it's a car, but basically she's fighting

1580
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,519
Speaker 5: him off and then gets into his vehicle and she

1581
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 5: was like, fucking you. Piece of shit throws her in,

1582
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 5: slams the door, and she's like, all right, I'm gonna

1583
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 5: get it out. She reaches for a door handle and

1584
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 5: there's no door handle, and she's like he has done

1585
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 5: this before, and she's like cool, So now this is

1586
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 5: like my life. And so this piece of shit takes

1587
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,920
Speaker 5: her back to his house and is like, Okay, you're

1588
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,760
Speaker 5: gonna like be here, and so he like beats her

1589
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 5: and like sexually assault her multiple times over multiple days. Awful, terrible.

1590
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,040
Speaker 5: But my mother she's very smart and she's.

1591
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,839
Speaker 2: Like, hey, I'm like a human.

1592
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 5: I'm a human, which like kind of doesn't relate to

1593
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 5: some serial offenders. Some of them, it does, and she's like,

1594
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 5: I would love to be your girlfriend. I really I'm

1595
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 5: really into you. You're really cool, and so he's like cool, awesome.

1596
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 5: So he like beats her sexually assaults her over multiple days,

1597
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 5: and she's like, I would love to see you after

1598
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 5: this because I'm really into you, and like breaks her ribs,

1599
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 5: breaks her cheekbone, piece of shit.

1600
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 2: Awful terrible.

1601
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 5: It ends up with a good story, kind of take

1602
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,080
Speaker 5: my word. Yeah, And so then he's she's like, yeah,

1603
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 5: I just like need to like get back to work.

1604
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,040
Speaker 5: I need to work. I have a normal life. I

1605
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,679
Speaker 5: have a normal job. And he's like, cool, so you'll

1606
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 5: like see me after this, right, And she's like, yeah,

1607
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 5: I would love to see you. So he lets her go.

1608
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 2: She's like.

1609
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 5: Fucking out, I'm out, get me the fuck out here.

1610
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 5: So she dips and she's like, fuck you, you piece

1611
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 5: of shit, tells the police please never catch him.

1612
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like an armchair like sleuth.

1613
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,680
Speaker 5: I've like try to pin nineteen seventy like California crimes

1614
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 5: to someone. She's in a true crime, which is why

1615
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 5: I got into you guys. She very much baptized me

1616
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 5: by fire, which is why I'm here. Yeah, and so

1617
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 5: never fucking found the guy. Awful terrible. But second part

1618
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 5: of the story happens in La I'm sorry not as

1619
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 5: local mingo boo, Los Angeles, California, California.

1620
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: Not northern sorry la boo.

1621
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,000
Speaker 5: So my mom a few years later, after living through this,

1622
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 5: she is like walking down the streets. She's going to

1623
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 5: go buy cake mix for her friend to go bake

1624
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 5: a birthday cake for her friend. She's walking down the

1625
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 5: street and she were from Phoenix, and she's like, okay,

1626
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,720
Speaker 5: first time we ever experienced a haboob. She's like, it

1627
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:52,839
Speaker 5: was like this level of visibility fog, can't see fucking

1628
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 5: shit nothing. And she's walking down the sidewalk and she's going,

1629
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,840
Speaker 5: she's seventeen. She's like, cool, we're going, I'm gonna make

1630
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 5: a birthday cake. And then she's walking by this ravine

1631
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 5: and this guy again comes it from behind her, snatches her,

1632
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 5: pulls her down to this ravine and she's like, fuck you, you.

1633
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 2: Piece of shit. This is not fucking happening again. This

1634
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 2: is not gonna happen again.

1635
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 5: And she fucking fights him, and he's like trying to

1636
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 5: pull her down, trying to like sexually fucking assault her

1637
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 5: again or a beautiful fucking family, and.

1638
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 3: She's like, no, fuck you.

1639
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 5: And so she fucking fights this guy off and is

1640
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 5: like hate you, awful, terrible human.

1641
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 2: And so she's like fuck you, gets away from this guy.

1642
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 5: Uh, goes to the police and is like, hey, uh again,

1643
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 5: some other piece of shit, probably straight cis man tried

1644
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 5: to fucking sexual assault me.

1645
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:51,919
Speaker 2: Awful.

1646
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 5: They fucking find the guy, they catch him, and he

1647
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:58,480
Speaker 5: is like a serial violent sexual fucking.

1648
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 3: Pritter. Thank you.

1649
01:32:02,120 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 5: That's that's the word. Sexual fucking like cerial. And now

1650
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 5: he because of my mother, he is in prison the

1651
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:14,040
Speaker 5: rest of his life. Yes, I sit here, I'm here

1652
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 5: so so so long because of like the strength of

1653
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 5: my mother.

1654
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 2: Creak job. It's not gonna happen again. That's right, that's right,

1655
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 2: and this is life sitting everybody list say I thank you, yes,

1656
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 2: thank you so much.

1657
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 3: Wow, amazing, Well Oakland night two be guys, we've done it.

1658
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 2: Did it, We've really done it.

1659
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 3: Thank you for supporting us on this little tour that

1660
01:32:55,960 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 3: we're doing six years later after we were like we've

1661
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 3: been made. Thank you. We've been waiting to do this

1662
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 3: for so long and it's been so scary, but everyone's

1663
01:33:06,360 --> 01:33:12,800
Speaker 3: been showing up and really really loud and supportive, and

1664
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 3: your community that we love and appreciate so much. So

1665
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 3: thank you guys for coming.

1666
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: We love you. Stay sexy and.

1667
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 6: Thank you, wel Glynn, Thank you so much, Elvis, Do

1668
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 6: you want a cookie?

1669
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

1670
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 4: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

1671
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 4: is Tessa Hughes.

1672
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo.

1673
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:47,480
Speaker 3: This episode was mixed by Leona Squillacci.

1674
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 2: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1675
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 3: Email your hometowns to My Favorite Murder at gmail dot.

1676
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 2: Com and follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

1677
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 3: Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple

1678
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

1679
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 2: Or you can watch us on YouTube. Search for My

1680
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:12,839
Speaker 2: Favorite Murder, then like and subscribe. Goodbye,