1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Calling all my sweetish to the forefront. I'm your host, 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Christ and this is the Keeping Positive Swish Show. Bishop 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Walker is widely known for his leadership, influence, and reach, 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: but today's conversation is about the weight that comes with 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: that responsibility, from stepping into leadership at a very young 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: age to navigating faith, loneliness, marriage, and legacy. This is 7 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: a chance to hear how he carries leadership beyond the 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: pool pits and how he continues to go through it. 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: Kiss family, please give a very warm welcome to the 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: incomparable Bishop Joseph Walker. The third, How. 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: Are you, miss Great? I'm great, I'm here with you. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, no, I'm excited. 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: When you hit me and said you got a new book, 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: it was a no brainer. I wanted to have you on. 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm excited to finally have you on with us. I 16 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: know that this is gonna blessing people. And your new book, 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: Pursuit of Purpose Peace by Piece is literally you're the 18 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: one who has pursued purpose and done it very well. 19 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to get into that. But before we 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: dive into the book, I definitely want to talk to 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: you about your journey. You started in the church at 22 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: twenty four or your own church, Yeah, at twenty four 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: years old? But before that, how did we get there? 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 2: Isn't it crazy? 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: Like? 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 27 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 4: You know? 28 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 3: So I grew up in church in Louisiana and Streeport, 29 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: and I was the first musician of drums in my church, 30 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: and so we introduced the drums. My dad was like, you, 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 3: you're gonna have to work and do well in school 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 3: to play the drums. 33 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: So that was like an incentive thing for me. 34 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: And so, but I've always grown up in church and 35 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: understood the nuances of church. Kind of a church kid, right, 36 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: And so but I had in my mind like I 37 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 3: was going to be a lawyer because my siblings had 38 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 3: the two siblings and the judges. Another sibling was attorney. 39 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: So for me, it was about law, law, law, law, law. 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: And then then God like, okay, all right, that's what 41 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: you want to do. 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make God laugh. Tell them your plans right on. 43 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: And so twenty years old, Southern University under my paternity tree, 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: and God's like, I need you do this, called me 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: to preach. 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm running. No, I want to be 47 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: the black matlock. 48 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: It got my sea a circle suit already ready, I'm 49 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: ready to go to law school, been accepted, you know, 50 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: and ended up pivoting for purpose. And at that moment 51 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 3: I realized that God was calling me to do something 52 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: much greater for me and to impact lives. And at 53 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: twenty years old my life took that trajectory and went 54 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: to Divinity School and started pastoring the church I Passion. 55 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 3: Now at twenty four it was my first church and 56 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: I've been there ever since. 57 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: And it went from how many was it? 58 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one hundred and seventy five people and 59 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: now it's over thirty three thousand. 60 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? 61 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 4: That is? 62 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: God be the glory to God, God Glory. 63 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Man well, and you steward over it so well. My 64 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: word for this year is stewardship, Yes, my personal word, 65 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: and I want to talk about that, like when you 66 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: were given something and God entrusted that in you for 67 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: a twenty four years old but one hundred and seventy 68 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: five people to now over thirty thousand people. What was 69 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: that stewardship like for you? 70 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 2: You know a couple of things. 71 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: For me, one, I think it was about really understanding 72 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: truly living out humility because you could never be a 73 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: good steward if you're not humble, and when things are 74 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 3: happening fast when you're young, you often attribute those things. 75 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: To I'm doing it. I'm doing it, you know. 76 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 3: And one of the times I heard God's voice so clear. 77 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 3: We had moved to the World Baptist Center in Nashville. 78 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: Our church was growing so and thousands that come. People 79 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: thought the church was going to be swallowed up. This 80 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: young preacher, it's a fad. 81 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: God did it. 82 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 3: Everybody left out and I stood that, like, God, we're 83 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: doing this. And God was like, you're insignificantto the process. 84 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 3: This is from my glory, my goodness, man, talk about humility. 85 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: Humble you real quick. 86 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 2: That was it. And I knew at that moment, like 87 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: this is what it's about. 88 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 3: And the second thing that I think really blessed me 89 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: in terms of stewardship in this whole process is in 90 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: one of my prayers, I was praying to God about God, 91 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: You're doing all these locations and you know, people around 92 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: the world being blessed. He says, well, how high can 93 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: I take you without losing you? Be sure, my goodness, deardship, 94 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 3: how high can God take you. 95 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: Without losing you? 96 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: My goodness was there ever a moment where you felt 97 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: like the altitude was getting too thick for you, where 98 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: you were like all right, lord, yeah, like this is 99 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: a lot yeah. 100 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and you realize at that moment, right, you 101 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: need him, You need counsel, You need community of people 102 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: who operated at that level to help you navigate those spaces, 103 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 3: because often when you're there, you're probably the first person 104 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: in your own you know, and your own crew that's ever. 105 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: Gotten in that place. And so you your relationships. 106 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: Change, and the people that who've been cool with you 107 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: at certain levels have to understand that relationships change because 108 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: language changes. As a leader, language a different conversation at 109 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: that altitude on the twenty seventh floor than it is 110 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 3: in the lobby. Yeah, right, And so how to navigate 111 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 3: those spaces are important. 112 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's so good. Yeah man, my goodness, you're 113 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: preaching to me already. That is so true. I know 114 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: for me when it comes to like how you say, 115 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: the language changes, the conversations changing. A lot of times 116 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 1: we are the first ones in our group to go 117 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: those places. But that's where our purpose comes in and 118 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: understanding that at a young age, how were you able 119 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: to identify Okay, God, I know that's what you want 120 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: me to do. But now wait a minute, this is 121 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: actually my purpose. 122 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know so for me, and I think 123 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: I write about in the book. You know, I think 124 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: purpose is is preordained. We don't really know it, but 125 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: before we were born, God is at work. Right when 126 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: my mother and our father meet each other, our grandparents 127 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: meet each other. Before your grandfather shot and shot at 128 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: your grandmother, God. 129 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: Was thinking about you. He was thinking about all that DNA, 130 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 2: all those genes. 131 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: He was preparing the earth for you. So your rival 132 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: is not an accident. Jeremiah says, before I form you 133 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: in the belly, I knew you, right, So it was 134 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 3: pre ordered. You come into the world with like this 135 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 3: passion as a baby. It's passion. So you asked a 136 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 3: young kid, what do you want to be? Firem an astronaut. 137 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: It's all this passion, but it's not focused. It's like 138 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: all this light, and so you take all that light 139 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: and you focus that light. 140 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: It becomes a laser. 141 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: So that's that moment when you realize, when you're able 142 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: to actually comprehend that something's different about you and God 143 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 3: is pulling you into it, and that's when it gets 144 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: clearer and clear and clear. And that's what purpose is. 145 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: It's that thing that you don't choose, it chooses you. 146 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 3: And the acceptance of that is it's offering a place 147 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: of negotiation because you're trying to hold on to what 148 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: is comfortable and you're like, well, God, can I have 149 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: a few more years of just doing this? And God 150 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 3: say no, because purpose and vision right for a moment 151 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: a time and as a window, you have to move 152 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: in that space. And I tell people all the time, 153 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: you are born to solve a problem. Wow, And if 154 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: you don't understand what that problem is, you become the problem. 155 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: What is that verse? You were born for such a 156 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: time as. 157 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: This, Yeah, Right, for such a time as this. You 158 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: have come into the kingdom. Right, and you recognize that 159 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: the earth is waiting on your gifts to arise. 160 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: When you understand that, Gosh, Lord here for a reason 161 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: and for this time. I think about, like what we're 162 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: going through now. We were born to navigate these times 163 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: and to help people through these times. 164 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 5: What what what do you think about your life that 165 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 5: God would allow you to be alive at this season 166 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 5: to do what you do in the midst. 167 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: Of all that's going on. Yeah, he thinks the world 168 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: of you, he thinks something. You are a world changer. 169 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: You are you know, you are a culture shifter. 170 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: You you have so much purpose, and what the enemy 171 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 3: wants to do is tell you you have no value. 172 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: You know, your voice doesn't mean anything. 173 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 3: But when you walk squarely, unapologetically into that space, I 174 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: don't get it twisted. This ain't this, ain't like I'm 175 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: not walking around here arrogant. 176 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm just confident. Yeah, don't confuse it. 177 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Don't confuse it. 178 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: Confuse my confidence for arrogance. 179 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 3: I'm stepping into this role, walking to this place, saying 180 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: this is where God wants me to be. 181 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: Yes, I love it. You said unapologetically. That is unapologetic 182 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: is the theme of season ten. Oh gosh, so we're 183 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: going to definitely use that. 184 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: Look. 185 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this. This is book number fourteen 186 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: fourteen books, Pursuit of Purpose, peace as in peace by peace. 187 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: All right. I love how you did that. Now? What 188 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: inspired this book and why? Now? 189 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: I looked over my life at all the various seasons 190 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 3: and saw them as pieces of a puzzle, and individually 191 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: those pieces, obviously some of them are not as pleasant 192 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: as other as a very painful moments, loss's. 193 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: Frail, the things that we often go through. 194 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 3: And when I experience those things, I realized that when 195 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: you understand why those things happen, the piece has happened. 196 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: They were actually forming you into a place of creating 197 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: or moving you to this place of purpose. And when 198 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: you understand that, that's where peace comes. I have peace 199 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: about what happened when Joseph says, you know the thing 200 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: you thought even against me, God Man, it for my good. 201 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: Like all those different pieces of my life, from the 202 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: pit to the prison, all of it, I have peace 203 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: about it. So I'm not going to be vindictive. I'm 204 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: not going to be bitter because I can't walk in 205 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 3: the fullness of my blessing if I'm bitter. 206 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: So that's kind of what inspired it. 207 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: And people really asking me over the years, like how 208 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: do I understand my purpose? How do you arrive at it? 209 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: And purpose does not come without pain. 210 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. Yeah, it doesn't, because I think 211 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: a lot of time you will see us living out 212 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: our purpose and it looks amazing from this vantished one, right, 213 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: but they don't understand everything we've gone through. You had 214 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: a book leadership Loneliness. Yeah, and people don't understand what 215 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: that that's right, and that there's pain that comes with it. 216 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: Where you talk about betrayal, you talked about breathing. What 217 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: are some moments as you were even writing this book 218 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: that you had to relive and you were like, ooh, 219 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: I have been through a lot. 220 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: I chapter ten. It's an interesting title. Seven thirty seven 221 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: thirty five. I'm writing the book reflecting over the seven 222 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 3: at the time I wrote it's seven hundred and thirty 223 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: five funerals I had done, geez, and trying to process 224 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 3: the fact that God has blessed me with this extraordinary 225 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 3: memory and I can't unsee it. 226 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: I can't, I can't forget it. 227 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 3: So every time I have a funeral, I relive every 228 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: funeral I've ever done. 229 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 2: Then kind of got a little. 230 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: Bit more focused around it and realized why was God 231 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: showing me that? While I was writing it, I experienced 232 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 3: loss as a spouse. I lost my first wife to Kansas, 233 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: and then I lost my mother, so I lost I 234 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: experienced it as a son. Then I lost recently my 235 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 3: brother as a sibling, so as a spouse, as a 236 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: son and a sibling, I begin to realize that most 237 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: time I engage people in grief that in one of 238 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 3: those spaces, either they've lost the spouse, they've lost a parent, 239 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: they've lost a sibling. 240 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 2: And so I'm. 241 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: Gonna ask why why was I chosen to walk in 242 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 3: that space? Because now I don't show up as this 243 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: person who's got to figure out. I show up in 244 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: my brokenness. I show up in a place of empathy. 245 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 3: And I think what happens. People who lead well in 246 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: purpose have a greater sense of empathy. Absolutely, we're not 247 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 3: out here alienated from other people's pain. 248 00:11:58,520 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: The reason you're able. 249 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: To do what you do authentically because it comes from 250 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: a place of your own personal experiences. And people don't 251 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: realize that. They think you're just you know, you're reading 252 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: the cliff notes. They don't realize know what you're talking about. 253 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: You've lived. And this is. 254 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: Why when you are presented, you know, this mortgage board 255 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: of opportunities, you only a drone of that which is 256 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: authentically you, right, right, you only like this algorithm. I 257 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: can only do that that is authentically me. I can't 258 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 3: do something that's not organic, because if I haven't lived it, 259 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: it's hard. 260 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: To for sure. 261 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people kind of fall 262 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: short when they start saying yes to a lot of 263 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: different things that aren't in alignment. 264 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: That and that's the point, right, that alignment piece. 265 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 3: Because one of the things I one of the mistakes 266 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: I made early on in ministry and in life's just 267 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: saying yes to everything, not having any boundaries, just trying 268 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 3: to you know. 269 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: And that's the thing about purpose. 270 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: If you don't really understand purpose, you try to manipulate 271 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 3: the outcome. You want to manipulate the outcome, you get it. 272 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: So you moved from hustle, you move to hustle versus honor. 273 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: So yeah, you out here hustling when you should be. 274 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 3: If you honor right, honor God, he'll he'll show you. 275 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: But if you don't honor God and say God, what 276 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 3: would you have me to do? 277 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: Right? 278 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: I lean out your own understanding and all your ways 279 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 3: acknowledge him, and he will direct your path. 280 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: That's honored. Yeah, But if I don't honor him, and 281 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm like. 282 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 3: I got it figured out, I got all these opportunities, 283 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: what's going to happen is that you're going to crash out. 284 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: And that's a real thing. We're seeing. It is real. 285 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: And I believe you're a perfect example of it. That 286 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 3: success is in sustainability. 287 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: If it's a God. 288 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not empisodic. 289 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: It's not people told me, oh, yeah, you got this 290 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: great church. Yeah, I'm thirty four years. 291 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: In christ goodness, and God continues to do it. I've 292 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: seen him come and go right. And when you do 293 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: what God tells you to do. I mind my business, 294 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 3: staying my lane. 295 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: Yes, you do, you get it. 296 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: I don't bother nobody. 297 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: I just do my thing, keep my head down and 298 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: keep my face to the clouds and say, God, just 299 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 3: leave me and guide me. 300 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 2: And when you do that, and that's what the blessing is. 301 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: Yes, my goodness. Three pillars that were in this book 302 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: were why am I here? Why did this happen? And 303 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: what do I do now? And you talked about you, 304 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: you ask God like why have I gone through all 305 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: these things? But what is that pivot of why did 306 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: this happen? 307 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 4: So? 308 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: What do I do now? What are those steps? 309 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 310 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 311 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 3: Why did it happen has a lot to do with 312 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 3: I think understanding the peace. You never get peace until 313 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: you understand why and what was it building in me? 314 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: Like when I look at the scripture, why did this happen? 315 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: To this person, what was it? What was God prepared? 316 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: And I always say God is always preparing something for me. 317 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: I was always looking at it like, but God, you're 318 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: punishing me, chucks, you know why? I mean, you ain't 319 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: got nobody else right, But He's no, I'm preparing you, 320 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: and I'm allowing this to happen, to build something in 321 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 3: you because I don't look at you in your actuality. 322 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: I look at you in your potentiality. Everybody else sees 323 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 3: in your actuality. That's why they give up on you 324 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: in the wrong chapters. Wow, God always sees us at 325 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 3: our potential, and so he's preparing us, not for out 326 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: right now, but I not yet. And so for me, 327 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 3: that's when I began to realize why this has happened. 328 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 3: It was giving me resilience, helping me. I've been to school. 329 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 3: I studied pneumatology, sociologist, psychology, epistemology, but I didn't know focology. 330 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: I did not know. Oh. I could have said that 331 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 2: so many different ways. You know, I couldn't listen. You 332 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I listen. 333 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: Only life can teach you the goodness. 334 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: The Lord can help you navigate EQ and IQ navigating rooms, 335 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: knowing people's agenda, having desernment. You know, those things are 336 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 3: important that you don't know how to navigate those spaces. 337 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: And God will let you get hurt. Sometimes you'll let 338 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: you walk into it. 339 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: So you say, Okay, I've been there before, so now 340 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: I have you know, I kind of have a few 341 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: boundaries as a result of that, and I've learned, and 342 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: sometimes you have to go through that experience. 343 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: No, for sure. You're also a father of two beautiful children. Gosh, 344 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: so I want to know, like, how do you implement 345 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: these these principles into your children as they're growing up, 346 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: because they have great examples and you and doctor Stephanie. 347 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: So to have two amazing parents as you and doctor Stephanie, 348 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: But what are you guys implementing into them daily? 349 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Giovanni, you know she's thirteen, she's all into ballet, 350 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: she is, She's just doing so many amazing things and 351 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: both just incredible students. 352 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: Joseph seven. 353 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 3: And one of the things that Steph and I have 354 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: decided to do is take that scripture literally train up 355 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: a child and the way they should go when they're old, 356 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: they will not depart from it. And the way we 357 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: read that scripture is train up a child and the 358 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: way they're leaning. Like they're telling you, don't try to 359 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: impose your wishes and thoughts and your visions on your children. 360 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 2: Find out which way they're leaning, and then train them. 361 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: Put the energy toward that. 362 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: I love that. 363 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: You get it. Like my son man. He loves music, 364 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: he loves baseball, he loves my son likes writing. Really, 365 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: my son has written books. Listen to me. I came in. 366 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 3: He's seven years old, and he wrote, he writes these books, 367 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 3: and he stay, comes and asks me to staple them, 368 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: puts a cover on him, stacks him up. His project 369 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: for school was a book about his dad, you know, 370 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: and I was Mud. My hero was my dad. He 371 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: went through looking at all the people that were famous. 372 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 3: He said, I know what I'm gonna do, Mom, I'm gonna. 373 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: Talk about dad. And he said, the. 374 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 3: Best part of this book is that he's my dad 375 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: and you couldn't tell him nothing. 376 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: God, I was Mud. 377 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: But the idea that he's leaning toward, that he likes 378 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 3: to read and he loves math. We invest in where 379 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 3: they're leaning. We don't try to push them. I'm not 380 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: this pastor who's like my son gonna be my successor. 381 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: No, no, son, do you. I'm not about the way 382 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 2: for you to grow up? Do you? 383 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: I want my daughter to do herself. She's coming into 384 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 3: her own. She loves ballet and she's very bright. So 385 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: we're just going to continue to cultivate that. 386 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. I love that. Outside of your 387 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: pastoral duties, you are also in astute businessman and a 388 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: lot of people don't. Like they look at you and 389 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: they're like, what else does he do? You head in 390 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: so many different fires, And I just want to touch 391 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: on that because it a lot of times. I mean, 392 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: you're an entrepreneur as well. How did you know? Like, Okay, 393 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: these are the things I want to tap into. 394 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm glad you asked that question. 395 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 3: And I think that one of these I tried to 396 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: dress in the book is purpose is never one dimensional? 397 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: Yes? Never? Yes. 398 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: Purpose is like once you walk squalling the purpose, then 399 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 3: God begins to show you all these other things that 400 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 3: come from that. Never let people type set you into 401 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 3: one thing. That's how they'll ever deal with you. So 402 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: when you walk into that purpose, God will starts showing you. Okay, 403 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 3: is this thing now called the energy of synergy? All 404 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: the energy I put out must connect to the actual purpose. 405 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: If it doesn't connect to the purpose, I can't do it. 406 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 2: I don't have the energy for it. 407 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 3: But everything I do connects back, connects back. Every book 408 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 3: I write, every production I do, everything I do has 409 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: to point back to the same initial purpose elevating people, 410 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: bringing people their destiny. 411 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: Everything I do, I can't do anything. 412 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: You know, people ask me all the time, can you 413 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 3: be on the board of you know the uh, you know, 414 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: there's the board for you know this or that or that. 415 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I just that doesn't It's a 416 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 3: great I'll give money to it, but it doesn't it's 417 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: not in the synergy of what I'm doing. 418 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: Everything has to align with purpose. 419 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 3: And so all the things that I'm passionate about doing, 420 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: being an author, step and not having a production company, 421 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: all these things we do have a lot to do 422 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 3: with it has to align with. 423 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: The main thing. 424 00:19:54,920 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, keep the main thing, the main thing that is true. Yeah, 425 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: love that because a lot of times I feel like 426 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: pastors can get types it as you say, like you 427 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: can get stuck. 428 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, stuck in one thing. I'm just gonna preach that's 429 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: what I do. That's what I do. 430 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, there's so much more. 431 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes the people that want you to just do that. 432 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: Man, I'm like, no, I mean I love you. I 433 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: love you. 434 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: I do commencement addresses, I teach leadership stuff for corporations. 435 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: I'm just all over the place. I just want to maximize. 436 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,400 Speaker 3: For me, it's about living full. 437 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: And dying empty. Wow. 438 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: I love that. 439 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: Live full man. 440 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 3: And die empty. LEAs nothing on the table. Got everything 441 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: you have given me I left it in New York. 442 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that. With the mini hats that you carry, 443 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: a big part of this platform is mental health, and 444 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: a lot of times when it comes to religion and therapy, 445 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 1: there's this huge economy where it's like we don't want 446 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: to put the two together, we want to keep the separation. Yes, 447 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? And with everything that 448 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: you're carrying, is that something that you've had to lean 449 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: on as well? 450 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 4: Oh? 451 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? Quite often? 452 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: And our church and as you know, we we we 453 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 3: really stress the partnership. But between faith and clinical counsel 454 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 3: and mental health, it's so important. And I think that 455 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: this whole stigma that's placed on mental health, I think 456 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: we should be well beyond that. 457 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: Particularly a lot. 458 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: Of the trend of mental health stuff. We're seeing all 459 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: the different pressures and people are under I think now 460 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: we should normalize mental health, and I think that we 461 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: should help people get the health that they need. For 462 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 3: us and for me, I've had to deal with it 463 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: with the loss of experience. You know, my first wife 464 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 3: passed away. I went to therapy. I talked about it publicly. 465 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: You know, Stepani, we go to therapy together. We counselor 466 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 3: the couples about therapy. 467 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: I preach about therapy. 468 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: I when I look at texts, when I preach Crystal, 469 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 3: and you know this, I preach from a I call 470 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: it a psycho social theological perspective. Always say, you know, 471 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: what's happening in the mind of this person, and then 472 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: what's happening in the culture in. 473 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 2: Which they are having to exist, and what is God 474 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: saying about it? 475 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: You know, everybody preaches about the one with the issue 476 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 3: of blood, and that's wonderful story. 477 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 2: But what could potentially be happening in. 478 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 3: Her mind to be in this place of obstracism, to 479 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 3: be a woman with an issue in that culture Psychologically 480 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: when she finally gets to Jesus in the Bible, so 481 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: she pressed her away. People often assume it was because 482 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 3: of the crowd, and it was, But what did she 483 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: have to press through before she got to the crowd. 484 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: You don't realize what people pressed through before they even 485 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 3: got to the church. Listen to me, you get it. 486 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: That's the real pressing, just to wake up, show up, 487 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 3: I'm trying to tell you. And so I think that's 488 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: where I believe. You know, for me, purpose is the 489 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: path to destiny. And if a person understands their purpose, 490 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 3: that's what gets you up. Yeah, my wive is what 491 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: gives me up, Crystal, my wife, why I exist. That's 492 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: what gets me up in those days when I'm foggy. 493 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: My lord, that's what makes me go talk to therapist. 494 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: That's what makes me put. 495 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: If you talk to someone, I can pray for you 496 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 3: to give you scriptures, but you got to talk to 497 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: because you understand your why. The enemy is going to 498 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: always try to attack that, and that's what pushes you 499 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 3: to that place. 500 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: That's how we did with that. 501 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I lost my mother at a 502 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 1: very young age, and I recently told this story about 503 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: how he took me to my aunt's house his sister 504 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: and dropped me off and said, I cannot take care 505 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: of her, like I can't raise the little girl by myself. 506 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: You gotta do it. And he went home and he 507 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: said the next when he got home, he said, I'm 508 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: coming to get her tomorrow when I get off work. 509 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: And she said, well, what happened? And he said, it 510 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: was as if God himself sat in the car and said, 511 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: go get her and I will help you take care 512 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: of her. She said, Crystal, for the three years that 513 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: you didn't have a mom or a mother figure in 514 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: your life, you would have never known it because your 515 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: hair is perfect, you were dressed perfect every single day. 516 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: She's like, it was just like, clearly there's a woman there. 517 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: I mean, of course he had his younger sister came 518 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: and stay with us, she said, But the fact that 519 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: he was able to do that, but then he found 520 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: love again. I want to talk about the grief and 521 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: when you knew that it was time because God blessed 522 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: you with doctor just said, man, yeah, yeah, how did 523 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: you navigate three years? 524 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: Man? 525 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: Three years? Will being. 526 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: That years? 527 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 3: Three years and the Lord has were doing things in 528 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: threes three days, But uh, three years of navigating singleness 529 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: and I had to go back. Honestly, and humorously. I 530 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: had to go back and tell my church I'm sorry, 531 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: all the single people, I'm sorry. I told y'all it 532 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: wasn't that bad out here until I realized it was 533 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: a jungle. 534 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: Even then, let me tell you something. 535 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: Listen, there's a thin line between the voice of God 536 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: and mental health. 537 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just lead that right there. I'm gonna leave 538 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 2: that right there. Okay, I'm gonna listen. 539 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 3: Now, many times I heard the Lord told me, right 540 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: the Lord, I just talked to him. 541 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 2: He didn't tell them God, what's up now? 542 00:24:53,400 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 3: But but three years man, three years man, three years 543 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: of walking this path, praying, and I remember sitting in 544 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: my home throwing my hands up and saying, God, I resigned. 545 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: I give up on trying. 546 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 3: It's crazy out there, yeah and loud. Did I know 547 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: while I'm saying the same thing, Stephanie is in Boston 548 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 3: saying the same things. I'm at a conference that following 549 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: weekend teaching leaders. Meet a guy I never met before. 550 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 3: He's you know, I'm talking to leaders in Florida. He 551 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 3: walks up to me and says, and I'm a little 552 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,719 Speaker 3: leary of this. Sometimes he says, you know, the Lord 553 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: told me here'll be going. 554 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 2: Again with what the Lord say. 555 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: Okay, but the Lord told me that, you know, I 556 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: am to help facilitate finding your wife. 557 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 2: And I think I know who she is. I said, sir, 558 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: my name is Joseph Walker. But I you know, but 559 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: this medic guy was so so genuine. 560 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 3: It's such an awesome kind man out of Boston and 561 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: Bishop Borders and he's such John Borders, an amazing man. 562 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I'll give it a chance. 563 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 3: So he then gets back he hadn't told Steph this 564 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: at all. 565 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: Steph's on faculty at Harvard. She's doing her things. 566 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: Girl, first purpose is about married up, hear me. 567 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 2: I knew my purpose. Y'all better understand this. But let 568 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: me tell. 569 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: You this girl is here doing it. And she goes 570 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 4: to his church and you know where her pastor told 571 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 4: her the next Sunday. 572 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe he told her. 573 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 3: He said, yeah, come in the office, you know, And 574 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: she's with a boyfriend at the time that ain't him. 575 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: In front of him that thank God him, she told her. 576 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 3: He told her that's not him. And then a course 577 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: weeks later, you know, and she kind of knew that 578 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 3: was the case. 579 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: I know just you know, so you know, hey, I 580 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 2: want you know what, you know, I like you to 581 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: I got somebody coming in town. I like you to meet. 582 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 3: She's thinking because she said the hell policy, maybe it's 583 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 3: somebody like that. 584 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 2: And then I'm like in Nashville, like, yo, can you 585 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 2: send me a picture? 586 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: Right? 587 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 6: You know, I'm a guy, right what I'm walking into what? 588 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 6: I don't date by faith, I date by sight anyway, 589 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 6: so listen. So so yeah, so he goes back to 590 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 6: her and says, well. 591 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: Do you have a picture or something? 592 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 3: And so she's kind of feeling the weird out about this, 593 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 3: like why my pastor? 594 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 2: It hits her he's trying to send me up. 595 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 3: So she's like this person and of course, you know, 596 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 3: he tells her like you know, I'm a pastor, and 597 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: he's like, oh no, no, no, no, she doesn't want no 598 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: parts of it. 599 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: Watch this work. 600 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 3: Watch how this this comes full circle? 601 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 2: Right? 602 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 3: So then she finally, you know, yields to having a 603 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: conversation and we talk, come to realize, we talk in 604 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: and come to realize that she attended Mount Zion when 605 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 3: she was a Vanderbitter UNDERGRADU We had never met. 606 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: What but she was a student. 607 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: She and God would have it that we had never 608 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 3: because we had met. It would have been a rap. 609 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: Right we had never met, she'd come, get the word 610 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 3: and go back. So now we're talking, we're connecting. One 611 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: day we're on the phone. I have a list of 612 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 3: all the things I asked God for a woman. She 613 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 3: has a list, not knowing I didn't know that. Let's 614 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 3: read our list. We're both on the phone, like you 615 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 3: gotta be. 616 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: Kidnamed the same thing. 617 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: Straight down, down down. Met her in May. We started 618 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: talking like in early June. By September I put a 619 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 2: ring on it. 620 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 3: Hannah, what was the three months? Because when you know, 621 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 3: God be doing things in threes with me. When you know, 622 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 3: you know, you know, don't play with it. You don't 623 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: play with purpose God. And so God brought us together 624 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 3: for purposes greater than I say. I love. 625 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: Play with it can't be right here. Put people in 626 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: a holding path. You don't put purpose in the holding path. 627 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 2: When it's real. You got to land that plane. 628 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Landed. 629 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 2: Come on, it's clear for landing. Some that you clear 630 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: for land landing. 631 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: That's the season playing. You not play with me land 632 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: a plane landed? No, I said, this year is gonna 633 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: be my year. I feel it. 634 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: I believe it. 635 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: I feel it. I feel it, and it ain't gonna it. 636 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: Don't take all it. 637 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 2: Don't take all that when you know, you just know. 638 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: I love that. And here we are, how many years later? 639 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 3: Man? 640 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: Fourteen years later? 641 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: Goodness? 642 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: Isn't that a blessing? 643 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: And I just love everything y'all do together. 644 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? 645 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: What was the book that you guys wrote together? 646 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 2: Oh, becoming a couple of Destinies? 647 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, becoming a couple of destiny? 648 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: Man, and you know the crazy thing. And it's sixteen 649 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 3: years and becoming a couple of destiny. And God has 650 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: blessed that book. And God has blessed our you know, 651 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: our our our YouTube podcast together, a couple of destinies. 652 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 3: We're doing things together there and it's a blessing, so man, 653 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: I'm telling you. And she's a real superstar with that. 654 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: Now she's dropping gems on a couple of destiny. Yea, 655 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 3: check it out. 656 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: She's just like, y'all gave me that. Y'all gave that 657 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: to us when we came to your house. 658 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 6: And I remember, like I'm like, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, 659 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 6: oh yeah. 660 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: That book was crazy. Any couples read read that book. 661 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: YouTube. 662 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: So I love that with pursuit they can get this now. 663 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, get that anywhere. 664 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out. But what are some things that you 665 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: want people to take away when they get through this book? 666 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 667 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 3: So I want you to understand that you know, your 668 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: life has never been a series of accidents, but they've 669 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 3: been incidents that have really directed you. 670 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: Towards true purpose. 671 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 3: And don't look at life as this big casualty. Look 672 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: at it as it was all caused by God to 673 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 3: push you to a place you otherwise would have never gone. 674 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 3: Recognize that you are unique and walk in that uniqueness 675 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 3: of who you are. Recognize that God, fearful and wonderfully 676 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: made you. He knew everything about you when he called 677 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: you. You don't have to tell him all your shortcomings. 678 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 2: He knew that. 679 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 3: But when God annoys you, he annoys originals only. 680 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: Not copies. 681 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 3: Wow, and always come to a place where you recognize, 682 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: live it, and do it for Him. Because whatever you 683 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 3: do in purpose, I always tell people if, and I 684 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 3: said in the book, if you do it for the 685 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 3: applause of people, if their applause becomes your oxygen, you 686 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 3: will suffocate in their silence. 687 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: That is so true that people. 688 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: Can't handle when the applause stops because they don't know what. 689 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 3: I don't need their affirmation. I have his confirmation, and 690 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 3: I understand how to navigate various seasons of purpose and 691 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 3: continue to revent and evolve and re imagine what God 692 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 3: wants me to do. And purpose is an amazing thing, 693 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: and you look at it, look back over your life, 694 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,040 Speaker 3: and you begin to realize, God, you chose me to 695 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 3: do something to get extraordinary. And I am humbled and 696 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 3: grateful that every piece of it has mattered. All the heartbreak, 697 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: all the setbacks, all the false promises, all the crazy 698 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: stuff I had to go through. I tell you this, Crystal. 699 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 3: Every time I fly a plane, you know what I do. 700 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 3: I always look for the pilot. 701 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 2: Know why. I'm trying to find out how many stripes 702 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 2: he got? Really, you know why? 703 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 3: Because if you got one little stripe and he's the pilot, 704 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: what's going to happen through a storm? Ladies and gentlemen 705 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: begin through this storm. It's my first time, y'all. Pray 706 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: we'll get through it together. 707 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 2: I can't do that. I need to better with full stripes, 708 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: because that means he's got a lot of flight hours. 709 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 3: Yes, and sometimes people look at us. We don't realize 710 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: the stripes we have. You want people who can help 711 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: you navigate those spaces, and the people that can help 712 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 3: you navigate those spaces of people that have cast some stripes, 713 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 3: people that have been through some things because of what 714 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 3: we've gone through. God does not just let purpose stop 715 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: with us. It's about He used us for the benefit 716 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 3: of others. Every day I wake up, Lord, let my 717 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 3: life be a gift to someone else. 718 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: Let my story be for your glory. Come on, that's it. 719 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yeah, my goodness, that is so good and it's 720 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: so true. For New Year's I brought it in. I 721 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: was watching church and I just started reflecting. I feel 722 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: like New Year's Eve was all was the time of 723 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: reflection for a lot of people, and unlest my friend, 724 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: I was like, do you realize that we're chosen? And 725 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: I was like, how humbling is it that God literally 726 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 1: said you and you I want to build you up 727 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: for my kingdom and you're gonna get to do all 728 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: these amazing things and impact all these people because I 729 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: know I can trust you to be trusted by him. 730 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I was like, just put 731 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: everything my whole life into perspective in that moment. 732 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: To be chosen, and to be chosen before the foundations 733 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: of the world, that that was a moment that you 734 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 3: had to emerge. 735 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: And the enemy knew it. 736 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: Me knew Moses was chosen. That's why he tried to 737 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 3: kill him. Jesus was chosen. He tried to kill him, Yes, and. 738 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: He knew you were chosen, and all the things. He 739 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: couldn't kill you, but he tried to get you to 740 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 2: kill yourself. He tried to get you tor self. But 741 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: the devil is a lie. 742 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: He is you just keep walking and what God told 743 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 3: you to do and all this stuff, now, all these 744 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 3: attacked God's got that I've learned. 745 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 2: Man, I let God my battles. I'm like, I'm chosen. 746 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 2: I'm walking her that because he will save his anointance. Yes, yes, yes. 747 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: Goodness, I'm so grateful for the day that I sit 748 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: next to you in first class. 749 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 2: Do I ever remember that day? Yes? 750 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: So, I was styling Tyler at the time, and I 751 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: was coming from doing something with him, and I sat 752 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,560 Speaker 1: next to you, and I knew you because I had 753 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: I was going to Bischapallins Morton's church and I was like, 754 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, mis Walk and then what's your name? 755 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: Jenny Stevens The works a Demon Natasha. She introduced us. 756 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I sat next to him. I 757 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: got his book. But I'm so grateful for moments like 758 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: that because you just never know who God will put 759 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: you in the presence of. And you have continued to 760 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: cover me ever since through life, and how God has 761 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: continued to take me on this ride. You've been there 762 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: every step of the way of my ascensions. So I 763 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: want to say thank you, thank you so much. I'm 764 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: proud of you. Everybody, please go get the book Pursuit 765 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: of Purpose Peace by Peace Mischu. Thank you so much, John, 766 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: thank you for the opportunity. Yes, absolutely, Okay. So this 767 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: is from Brionna Butler, and she says, how do you 768 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: stay motivated and focused when things aren't progressing as quickly 769 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: as you would like? 770 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, so I think you have to believe in 771 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,239 Speaker 3: what God showed you. 772 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 2: Vision for me, Purpose of me kind of works this way. 773 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 3: I agonize first in me deeply, I know what's something 774 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 3: I'm supposed to do, and then I visualize it. And 775 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 3: the visualization part is when you see it. Visions for 776 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 3: the point of time. So you have to constantly keep 777 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,800 Speaker 3: your focus on that vision, regardless of the distractions of setbacks. 778 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: Never forget what God show you, right, and then that's 779 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 3: the visualization for me, then goes to I visualize and 780 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 3: I strategize. 781 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: That's the board, the white board, and then I organize. 782 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 3: Right. 783 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 2: But I think sometimes when you're organizing a thing and 784 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: you say, okay. 785 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 3: I strategized and I'm organized and I'm mobilized, why not monetized? 786 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 2: That's how it works. Where is monetizing much more? Do 787 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 2: I need to strategize? 788 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 3: Right? And you can, and you have to realize you 789 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,040 Speaker 3: never forget the visualization because it is for an appointed. 790 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 2: Yes that part and all it. 791 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: Takes is one thing and suddenly and suddenly and you're. 792 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 3: Thinking, like, well, I've done this and done all the 793 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 3: things about God's like, no, I'm going to show you 794 00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 3: what I do. 795 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 2: No man or woman can do for you. Yeah, It'll 796 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 2: be one moment, one situation. 797 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: And you'll know it's nobody but Him. 798 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 2: You got. 799 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: It's so true, trusted. I love that when I look 800 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,880 Speaker 1: at my life period just in the vision that I 801 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,399 Speaker 1: had to be where I am today, and it took 802 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: ten years from moving to Atlanta to getting the first 803 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: TV show. If I had allowed the setbacks and things 804 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: not moving at the pace that I thought they should 805 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: be moving, I would have missed it. Really, we wouldn't 806 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: be sitting here today. 807 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, you know, yes. 808 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: I kept my eye on it even when people didn't 809 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: see it, because a lot of times people don't see 810 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: what God has placed in your heart, that vision that 811 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: God has given you. People like, okay, girl, you you okay, 812 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: I understand you dream, but this is a little too 813 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: far fetched, and I'm like, no, I can do this. 814 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 1: And my parents always said you just believed you could 815 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: do anything, and I did. 816 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, that's hot. 817 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was talking today. I do what I 818 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: call like a TikTok update or whatever life update, and 819 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: I was telling people that a lot of times during 820 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: that preparation period where we feel is like God's not 821 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: moving fast enough. He's preparing us, because sometimes we think 822 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: we're ready for something and we're really not. We're not 823 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: ready and don't give it to it, honey. Because I 824 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: thought I was ready for a husband. I was not 825 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: get mad. I was like, you are not ready, girl, 826 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: Because I was a lone single too long. I think 827 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: there's a such thing too where you get used to 828 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 1: being by yourself, And for me, I was like, yeah, 829 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 1: I was stuck. He's like, we gotta have to I 830 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: got to such things around and rework this this mindset 831 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: of yours. But yeah, I do feel that anytime things 832 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 1: are kind of slow cooking, that's always the best. 833 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 3: One's always best, and when it shows up said, yeah. 834 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: You will know me. And Brenda Palmer's quote for this 835 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: season of Our Lives or this year is and suddenly 836 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: about it because God is doing things and suddenly it'll 837 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: feel like it's taken forever. And then suddenly God be 838 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: like it's time and you're like, whoa, Yeah, but you'll 839 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: be ready. That's so true, Brihanna, You'll be ready. So 840 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 1: that's hanging there. I love it, vis, thank you, appreciate 841 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: it absolutely. Is there anything that we can support you 842 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: and we're gonna go by the book? Anything else? 843 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah? 844 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 1: Yes, make sure we follow you and you can watch 845 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: online it if you live in Nashville, you're looking for 846 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 1: a church home now, Zion baby, come on over. Yes, 847 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: I love it, well, thank you, yes, sir, I appreciate it. Wow, 848 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: that was such a meaningful conversation and a reminder that 849 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: leadership isn't just about strength, it's about honesty, care, and 850 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: knowing when to pause. Thank you guys so much for 851 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,520 Speaker 1: tuning in to another episode of The Keep It Positive 852 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: Swedy Show. Be sure to subscribe, leave a review, and 853 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: share this episode with someone who might need it right now. 854 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: And it's always stay blessed, to stay encouraged, and remember 855 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 1: to keep it pauses suity. I'll see you guys next time.