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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Piketon Massacre, a production of iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: Katie Studios. We are here today for the kase State

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Speaker 1: of Ohio versus Charles Reader, case numbers twenty nineteen CR.

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Speaker 1: Sixty eight the cornel now here from mister Reader. I

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Speaker 1: stand here before you today to take accountability for my actions.

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Speaker 1: To accept responsibility for my conduct, I said, Sheriff of Ohio.

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Speaker 1: I should excuse me. Everything that I've worked for professionally,

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Speaker 1: in honorably for twenty five years was stripped to me

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Speaker 1: with nobody good pointing but myself. If I could go

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Speaker 1: back and change it, I would a million times. This

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Speaker 1: is not who I am. Never ever did I imagine

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Speaker 1: myself on the defense side of this court route that

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Speaker 1: I've spent twenty five years of my life in this

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Speaker 1: county in law enforcement. I am a good person, make

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Speaker 1: bad decisions and choices I have, and I'm out pray

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Speaker 1: that the work will find mercy on me. This is

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Speaker 1: the Piked and Massacre returned to Pike County season two,

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Speaker 1: episode five, To Protect and Serve. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a

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Speaker 1: television producer at Katie Studios with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane.

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Speaker 1: On the morning of April twenty second, twenty sixteen, the

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Speaker 1: Pike County Sheriff's Office responded to calls of multiple homicides

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Speaker 1: in what would soon be considered Ohio's most notorious mass murder.

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Speaker 1: The bodies of seven adults and one sixteen year old

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Speaker 1: boy were found in four different locations along a country

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Speaker 1: road in Pike County. We know all of these victims

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Speaker 1: all members of the Roden family. The shooting ste left

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Speaker 1: the town of Piked and numb a lot of unanswered

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Speaker 1: questions as to how this unfolded and who is responsible

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Speaker 1: for that. As news of the tragedy emerged, the nation

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Speaker 1: turned to the area's top law enforcement official for answers.

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Speaker 1: Pike County Sheriff Charlie Reader to give a brief update

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Speaker 1: on what we are doing at this time. I have

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Speaker 1: deputies from my county and other counties that are keeping

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Speaker 1: the scenes secured. Here's reporter James Pilcher. He's the one

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Speaker 1: updating the media. He's the one who is available. He's

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Speaker 1: the one when you wanted to ask how things are going,

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Speaker 1: he was the one that you call. So he began

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Speaker 1: the face of the investigation early on. This investigation is

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Speaker 1: very large, one, probably the largest in Pike County that

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Speaker 1: we've ever had and been a part of. It's very tragic.

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Speaker 1: I want everybody to be patient, but understand that we

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Speaker 1: are working around the clock, twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 1: but this is going to be a very lengthy process.

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Speaker 1: Reporter angeinet Levy covered many of Reader's briefings during the

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Speaker 1: course of the road and murder investigation. You know, he

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Speaker 1: was out in front of this standing next to the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General at the time, doing press conferences with him,

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Speaker 1: and he often became very emotional and people there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in Pike County who really really

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Speaker 1: liked him. You came in like thieves in the night

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Speaker 1: and took eight lives, some being children. We are getting closer.

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Speaker 1: The family and the victims will have justice one day.

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Speaker 1: Charlie Reader, by all accounts, as somebody who grew up

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Speaker 1: in Pike County. He did not come from a well

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Speaker 1: to do family or anything like that. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people out in Pike County or poor. He worked for

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Speaker 1: many years for the Pike County Prosecutor, Rob junk He

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Speaker 1: was his investigator, and at some point Charlie Reader was

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Speaker 1: appointed the sheriff by the Democratic Party in Pike County.

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Speaker 1: Criminal defense attorney Mike Allen remembered Readers twenty and sixteen

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Speaker 1: landslide election. He got seventy five percent. Approbably got twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent. It's pretty unheard of in any kind of election.

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Speaker 1: So at one point he was pretty popular sheriff. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of people in the community who felt

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Speaker 1: when he first took over. They felt like he was

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Speaker 1: al in all of it, and a couple members of

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Speaker 1: the community claimed that Reader really was there for the

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Speaker 1: family after one of their members that died from a

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Speaker 1: drug overdose and helped plan a memorial three in his honor.

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Speaker 1: So he was very approachable. He was out and about

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Speaker 1: in the community much more. Charlie Reader branded himself as

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Speaker 1: the people's sheriff during the height of the road and

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Speaker 1: murder investigation. Sheriff Reader's passionate pleas for justice earned him

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Speaker 1: or a three hundred and fifty six days into this investigation,

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Speaker 1: I've got a message for the killers. We will find you,

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Speaker 1: we will arrest you, and you will be prosecuted. As

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Speaker 1: Graves speaking with investigative reporter Jodi Barr. He covered the

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Speaker 1: road and murder case for Foxnews nineteen and Cincinnati. What

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Speaker 1: like Pike County. He was the closest to the people

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Speaker 1: He is the face of law enforcement. He controls what

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Speaker 1: as an elected official, as far as a person holding power,

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Speaker 1: your sheriff in these areas, he is the man. Can

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Speaker 1: something like that go to someone's head? You've worked in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, yourself for quite a while. Oh yeah, you

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Speaker 1: As the Road and investigation moved into its second year,

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Speaker 1: some disquieting rumors about Sheriff Frieder began to surface. As

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Speaker 1: hearing the rumblings that there was some corruption out there.

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Speaker 1: We had heard rumors about him intimidating people and possibly

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Speaker 1: I know, I for one, was told by some of

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Speaker 1: my law enforcement sources in the Cincinnati area, Hey, you

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Speaker 1: need to be careful around him. He's dirty. And these

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Speaker 1: it because they were afraid they didn't trust him? They

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Speaker 1: did not trust Charlie Reader. There was a rumor that

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Speaker 1: he was sexually harassing some female employees when he worked

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Speaker 1: there were too many questions. He had a lawsuit in

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Speaker 1: I mean, there were some things out there. There appears

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Speaker 1: the public sees, and they saw it in these naturally

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Speaker 1: televised broadcast press conferences where a reader is very emotional

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Speaker 1: Then oh yeah. Investigators recently too vehicles that had been

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Speaker 1: last month. The four mobile homes themselves where the bodies

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Speaker 1: While I was in Pike County, I started seeing things

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Speaker 1: I'm not an attorney. I've never prosecuted the case, I've

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Speaker 1: evidence that is collected has to be secured. I've seen

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Speaker 1: of course Charlie Reader was so central to what we

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Speaker 1: about evolving the murders. This was a great public concern,

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Speaker 1: June of twenty nineteen, a grand jury brought forth sixteen

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Speaker 1: a moment. Did you lose three thousand dollars gambling at

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Speaker 1: the law. You know, in fifteen years of doing this job,

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Speaker 1: looking at people like Charlie Reader in multiple states with

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Speaker 1: multiple different schemes of crimes being committed, there's a trend

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Speaker 1: get in trouble. Is it because they feel so powerful

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Speaker 1: is a guy in Pike County who had the county

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Speaker 1: live in that county. So is it power? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: All that I know at this point is you had

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Speaker 1: an elected official who makes them pretty bad decisions and

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Speaker 1: he's paying for it. Now, have you gotten a sense

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Speaker 1: what the implications might be for the Wagner cases that

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Speaker 1: Readers now going to jail. Their early face of the

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Speaker 1: investigation is now in prison for corruption. Whether or not

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Speaker 1: that had anything to do with the actual investigation, no

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Speaker 1: one knows. But if I'm a defense attorney, all I

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Speaker 1: gotta do is throw up that smokescreen at some point

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Speaker 1: and see what happens. And if I'm a prosecutor, I'm thinking, okay,

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Speaker 1: I need to have a contingency plan. To how to

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Speaker 1: answer this. If you're the fence, I'm assuming you will

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Speaker 1: bring it up and court you'll point to that if

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Speaker 1: the judge allows it and say, you know, how can

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Speaker 1: you trust this investigation. This man was out there on

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Speaker 1: the scene that morning. I think it makes people in

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Speaker 1: the county question what's really going on there? Well, we

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Speaker 1: wait to see how Sheriff Frieder's conviction will impact the

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Speaker 1: Wagner trials. One journalist continues to grapple with the legacy

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Speaker 1: of the Rodent family murders, a story that forever changed

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Speaker 1: her life more than five years ago. More on that

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Speaker 1: next time. For more information on the case and relevant photos,

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Speaker 1: Lydecker and me Courtney Armstrong. Editing and sound designed by

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