WEBVTT - Full interview w/ Rep. Chris Deluzio - Why We Need To “Trump-Proof” The Presidency 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:07.640 And joining me now is a member of Congress from 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:12.080 western Pennsylvania, which is probably as important of a swing 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.920 geographic area as there is in the country. It's Congressman Christallusio. 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.200 He's from the seventeenth district. And for political junkies when 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.640 they think of PA seventeen, the first name they may 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.280 come to mind is Connor Lamb. Well, Christi Luzio replaced 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:29.000 Connor Lamb in Congress. It is mostly that district, And 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:32.640 in fact, i'll make that your first question, Congressman, how 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:36.400 much does it you know that famous PA seventeen race 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.840 at the time was a big deal because it leaned 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:43.200 more Republican in the teens. How much of your district 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.640 is the same? How much of it's different? 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.559 You know, when Connor first won that special election, big offset, right, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:53.400 he really won that seat, captured the country's attention. Pennsylvania 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.880 Supreme Court drew fair maps after that there was a 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:00.960 Republican gerrymander. So the district that he represented from really 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.120 twenty eighteen on very similar to mine. It maybe a 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.399 point or so different. All of Beaver County, about half 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:11.720 Alleghany County, which for Eddie folks who know Pennsylvania that's 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.760 the County of Pittsburgh in so it's a I don't know, 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:16.360 the best district in the country if you ask me, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:18.720 but it's competitive, it's got a mix of everything. It's 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:20.720 really a great part of the world. 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.520 Well, you grew up there, so you know this. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.280 You know, there was the I don't know whether the 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.600 infamous saying James Carvell once said about Pennsylvania, which is 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:31.400 no longer true, but it used to be. He'd say, 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.920 just for political purposes, Philadelphia and the east, Pittsburgh and 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.160 the west, and Alabama in the middle. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:36.920 And the point. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.360 He was making is that, as you know, the Democrats 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.920 needed to care about the two coasts of Pennsylvania, you know, 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:43.920 putting coasts. 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.160 In plural there. But the fact of the matter is, you. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.880 Know, as the Pennsylvania, as the Philly suburbs, became more democratic, 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:57.000 the reason the state didn't become a lot more democratic 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.600 is that western Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh market, became much less democratic. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.800 That is, your childhood to adulthood, walk me through that chain, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.680 you know, tell me how your community. 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.280 Sort of swung there. 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:13.880 From there, I would argue Reagan Democrats to Clinton Democrats, 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.200 to even some Obama Democrats to now Trump Republicans. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.519 I think a big part of that story the factory 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.680 towns and the rural communities, right And the factory towns 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:27.480 you drive along the rivers in my district, especially through 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.919 Beaver County on the Ohio River and the Beaver those 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.960 there are still great manufacturing jobs that anchor. 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:35.720 A lot of those communities. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.080 And I think as you saw those jobs go away 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.960 in a lot of what's southwestern Pennsylvania, you saw political realignments, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.960 You saw anger and frustration at how that happened. And 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.080 also where you see Democrats like me who are winning 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.960 and overperforming, and those kinds of communities we're winning and overperforming, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.640 and those exact types of towns, and the same story. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.720 If you look at John Fetterman's win, Josh Heroes win, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.480 you look at what happened in the Senate race last 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.760 year with Bob Casey and Dave McCormick, the margins in 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:09.959 my part of Pennsylvania, in those factory towns, in the 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.120 rural communities, I think made the difference. It shows in 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.080 those races who can do a little better when they're 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:17.120 even losing. 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:18.320 Those counties or losing those towns to. 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.440 Eat out a win. Did you over perform Casey? Yes, 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.560 who's the McCormick Deluzio voter. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:32.640 There's a state House district Beaver County, communities like Ambridge, 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.640 al Equippa, Beaver Falls. Rob Matzey's the state rep there 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.360 and that state House district he won it. I won it, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:43.840 and Dave McCormick won it, and it's an interesting story, right, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.680 and Donald Trump won that district too. And you know, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.680 I think if you spent time in that part of 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.920 my district, I think you talk to the voters who 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.080 might have voted that way, voted for me, or voted 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.760 for Rob Matsy and maybe voted above us as Republican. 0:03:57.960 --> 0:04:00.119 Always hard to summarize, but these were folks who are 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.560 fired up and angry about costs one good jobs. I 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.400 think the economic fight was front center, and they heard 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.760 from me since I ran in twenty twenty two. Always 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.600 an economic fight at the heart of it. Again, hard 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.280 to summarize voter by voter, but they exist, and it's 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.279 that part of my district really where it made the 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.280 difference for me and certainly above us in the ballot. 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.520 So you operate that there are swing voters, there are 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.200 there are not everybody agrees that there are right that 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.160 there's two. I always say there are two types of 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:35.120 swing voters. I do think there are voters that facillate 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:41.200 between party strategically, but far more often the most common 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.599 swing voter is somebody that swings between voting and not voting. 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.920 So I think both things are true, and I don't 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.560 want to oversay that it's just, Hey, you can convince 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.559 someone to vote Republican for president Democrat for the US House. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:56.720 It's the other thing to believe. I mean, we have 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.880 work to do on turnout and frankly, rebuilding some of 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.000 the trust with younger voters. I mean, I'm forty one, 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.960 makes me an older millennial, right, so I guess I 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:09.200 can't call myself a young voter anymore. We'll see, but 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.480 I do think there are folks who will split ticket. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:12.400 I saw it in my election. 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:16.480 I saw it with the vote drop off from presidential 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.040 right Harris Trump, Casey McCormick down to my race. I mean, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.160 they exist, and you got to get you got to 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:23.719 know your district. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:25.440 You gotta have candidates who know their districts. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.840 I come back to I think the economic fight, not 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.880 the expense of anything else, but fighting on the economic 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.120 front principally is a good way to earn those votes. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.000 And you don't have to be a whip about it. 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.520 You don't have to be backtracking on anything else. I 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.880 think it's the part of the path for Democrats to 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.799 win more consistently in places like western Pennsylvania. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:49.960 Look, it's an eighty percent. Nobody likes concentrations of power, right, 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:55.600 that's an eighty percent. You know, people, you know recoil 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.839 from too much power, too much concentration of power, government corporations, whatever. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.080 So if you're talking about the economy in those terms, 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.280 it does strike me that you can have a conversation. 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.840 How much does the D next to your name make 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:09.360 it harder? 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.159 I had a couple of independent candidates now they're running 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.279 an Idaho in South Dakota. This is not Western Pennsylvania, Okay, 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.160 but they they said not having the D next and 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.320 then their name actually was an impediment to having the 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.120 conversation with some voters about the economy. Moving to an 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.880 eye next to their name at least opened the door 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:30.680 to a conversation. 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:34.120 Doublass, I mean, I'll tell you at least and from 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.720 my part of the world, and again, like it's different everywhere. 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:37.200 Right. 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.120 You know, some of the folks in some of those 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:42.760 factory towns maybe for generations, were Democrats and they've left 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.840 my party, right, And so I'm trying to rebuild some 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.280 trust and reconnect. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:48.920 With those new deal routes. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.160 For why for three four generations your family might have 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.640 been a Union household, you may have been voting Democrat 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:57.800 and at the same time picking up. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.920 And earning new two votes. And say, the. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.279 Suburban parts of a district like mine, right, where folks 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:08.320 aren't as longer as long term Democrats who are coming 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.680 in to the party, those things can be attention. But 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.960 we can't find a way to do both of those things. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.080 We're not going to win, nor can the Republicans. By 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:18.760 the way, that's the reality of political train here. And 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:21.240 you know, I think for my party's brand to be seen, 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:24.360 number one is tougher, right, And it's not just about 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.200 what's happening in Washington and being tough with Trump and 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.720 his administration, as we should be, but tougher on the 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.840 economic fight, which every survey I see, every conversation I have, 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.360 it comes up. Folks are mad about the cost of living. 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.840 I think for a party to be seen tougher. There 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.480 would help some of those folks you're talking about, say 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.800 in Idaho, where they don't have some deep democratic loyalty 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:47.920 to build on, to try to restore some crusts. 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:49.240 I think it helps with those guys too. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.360 You've spent time in the Navy, and you're a lawyer. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.680 You went to Georgetown Law School. Why'd you decide on 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:59.360 public service? 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:02.320 So I was a senior in high school. 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.960 Nine to eleven happens, and I was pursuing the Naval Academy. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.720 I mean that day sealed it that if I got in, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.480 I go. And I got in pretty shortly thereafter, and 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:17.080 I went, And it's a tough place, it's a special place. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.120 I really internalized, you know, the mission of what we 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.640 signed up to do there, which is a lifetime of service, 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.280 whether that's in uniform or public service. We talk about 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.360 citizenship even and so I just believe it deeply. That's 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.559 who I am. It's the part of the world I'm from. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.920 You drive down most of the streets in western Pennsylvania, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.199 main streets, you see banners honoring veterans in a lot 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:44.160 of communities. You walk into nearly any house in my 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.520 part of the world. Someone's got a picture of somebody 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.600 in uniform, like, we value that, and that's it. That's 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.840 the shorthandswer for why I'm trying to do something in 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.959 public service, why I think this is a noble pursuit. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.600 And that's even before I get into the stress the 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.800 country is under. What I think Ronald Trump and his 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.440 movement is doing. It's real, it's profound, and I think, 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.280 if not now to try to step up and do 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.400 something about it when it feels like this is the 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.320 moment to try to serve and that's that's what I'm 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:12.280 trying to do in this. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:14.319 So it is. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.720 It's quite a moment, right, It's a There are times 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:24.920 that I know I feel powerless, but I'm not an 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:27.880 elective office. But you're in the minority, which sometimes means 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:31.200 you're also can be more powerless than you'd like to be. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.520 It is, you know, every week I can put together 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:39.400 a list of stories that says, boy, this feels this 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:44.520 feels like we're are we are? We did we really 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.280 just take the wrong fork in the road. How the 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.880 hell are we going to get back? And then it 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:55.840 like and then we go even further, right, how do 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.240 you answer that? Question, what's the state of the democracy 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.720 and how concerned should we be. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:01.720 I am concerned. 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:05.440 I think it's healthy and normal insane to look around 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.560 and say something's not right. And it's not just the 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.680 political violence, which of course is a problem, and I 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.439 think a symptom of a deeper wound to be American psyche. 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:15.880 That we got to fix. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:19.520 And I think about now, I can criticize Donald Trump, 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.880 and I will. Right, He's identified that wound, and he 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:28.680 offers to me snake oil, right, division, autocracy, threats to 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.360 the rule of law. Okay, let's criticize that. But then 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.079 what do we have to offer that's different? 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.720 But he does identify the problems, and I think we 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.040 have to start with that. That's right. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.040 Like this is where I think sometimes you know that 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.599 there are some Just because Trump has identified a problem correctly, 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:49.720 doesn't you know, doesn't mean it's not a problem. Right, 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.559 just because Trump says it's a problem, you shouldn't ignore it. 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.120 And I've always said that. 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:58.240 I think the voters when they when they sour on Trump, 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:02.480 they don't sour on the problems he's identified. They sour 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:03.480 on his solutions. 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.959 So I'm forty one, and we can look at this 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.760 data pretty quickly. If you're my age, you're younger, you're 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.280 now the first Americans since at least the Second World 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.440 War who don't expect me better off than your parents. 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.959 That is a failure of our government, across parties, across decades. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.480 That's multiple presidents think of that, and you should be 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.480 mad about that. I'm mad about that. If you're younger 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.119 than me, you're even angrier about it because the prospects 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.920 look worse, and so we have to confront that. That 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:36.360 goes to the fundamental trust or distrust in our government. 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:36.920 Right. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:38.800 If you're going to work hard and follow the rules 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.360 and you still can't afford your life, you are mad 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.560 and maybe you don't trust the way our governments work. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:48.199 So to me, I think battling corruption, rebuilding trust, putting 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.840 muscle back in the American dream, those things are all linked. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.199 It's part of why the anti corruption fight matters so 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.640 much to me. It's part of why this vision of 0:11:56.640 --> 0:12:01.920 economic patriotism mine others are talking about matters putting muscle 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.760 and something real back in the American dream. Because if 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:08.160 if we're going to just pay lip service to try 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:12.360 and to restore trust without fixing the problem underlying our system. 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.960 It's not going to work in my voot. How do 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.440 you feel about the redistricting wars? I say this because look, 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.720 you're because your state's not going to do it. There's 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.880 a variety of reasons for that. There's just I think 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:29.640 the legislature's too split. There's even if you wanted to, 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:34.199 you couldn't. I know that a lot of your colleagues 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.720 in Congress don't like what's happening, including Texas Republicans in 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:42.920 California Democrats, but that they feel like pawns in a 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.880 larger fight, because guess what your pawns in a larger fight. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:47.160 You know. 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.200 But I look at how the Democrats are fighting this, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:56.760 and simultaneously you've got Pete Bootagees going to Indiana saying 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.439 please don't do this. And then you've got Democrats raising 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.800 money so that Gavin Newsom can win a proposition which, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.439 like I, at least you get the voters get You're 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.640 including the voters in the say so here because they 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.120 have to. But that feels like such a mixed message 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:18.880 that I you know, it is really hard to get 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:23.600 my arms around if you're upset about disenfranchising voters in Texas. 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.800 How is the answered disenfranchising voters in other states. Yeah, 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.679 let's start with here's what I would like to see, 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.480 which we just have a federal ban on partisan jerrymandering 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.720 and we have federal standard for fair maps. 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.480 That was in what was. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:40.559 I don't know, for the People Act or HR one, 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.400 but before I got to the Congress. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:43.480 Some of that was in there, and there was also 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.719 a lot of partisan stuff which made it less of 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.920 a serious bill unfortunately. I mean, look, I'm for somebody 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:51.840 that says, you have messaging bills, and you have bills 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:52.680 you want to get passed. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.760 That was a bill for messaging, not necessarily. 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.160 Let's do a federal anti jerryman ring thing. Just take 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.960 this off right, it's out of the playbook for either party. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.600 While it's not the standard until that happens, I'm not 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.480 interested in Democrats fighting with like a wet spaghetti noodle 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.400 while the Republicans are carrying to Maszooka like this is 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.679 control of Congress and how they write a map and 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:20.200 say Indiana and Texas affects what happens to my constituents. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.600 The same reason why I've been endorsing some folks in 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.880 competitive districts in Pennsylvania, because those members of Congress are 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:29.200 taking votes that are my constituents. So I don't want 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:34.400 Democrats to be fighting limply while Republicans are taking seats 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.800 all over the country. And I would start and end 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.680 with let's just get rid of this as a tool 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:41.840 for either party and just have a federal standard. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.800 I think that's where this has to go. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.960 And I think, look, ruck I also think this goes 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.480 to that distrust and government problem when politicians are right 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:52.000 in their own maps, when they're picking their districts, when 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.720 they're carvering little communities and all the matters is a 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:58.360 competitive primary, I don't think you get great representation. 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.040 But you understand that, look and understand the issue of 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.320 of when when you sort of compromise your principle for 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:11.280 you know, and again like I get it right, I 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:17.120 understand the rationale and I get all of that. It 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.680 just doesn't feel like a long term way to win 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:25.040 trust back. That's and that's what makes it so such 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:29.280 a flawed way to fight back because I also think 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:35.320 I think that what Texas did is not as is 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.160 not going to be as effective as they think it is. Right, 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:41.960 you know, the unintended consequences always bite you on this stuff. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.400 And that's that's why I'm thinking the fight quote unquote, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.120 fighting fighting fire with fire is like, you know, be 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:48.920 careful out there. 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.640 You don't you don't know what you've opened up. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:54.800 No, and look, when you draw these things with aggressive 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.800 Jerry managers, I think you're alluding to this fact. You 0:15:56.840 --> 0:16:00.200 make some of those seats potentially gettable, especially if it's 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.400 a big way of election the other direction, right, And 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.040 so that's a part of this. That's a risk they're 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.480 gonna have to take on because I hope and expect 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.320 we might have a good year next year. 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.080 And that could go very different webs. 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:17.960 So, speaking of ways to do confrontation with Trump, there's 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:23.720 we consider in debates shutdown, no shutdown. I sort of understand, Hey, 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.840 when you've got leverage, use it right. That's that's sort 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.120 of part of the process. That's what politics is about. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.280 It does feel like the timing now is when do 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.239 you use it right? Is this is this six. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.640 Week cr the hill to die on? Or do you 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.240 let this one go and you fight the fight in November? 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:41.480 Where's your mindset on this? 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:42.240 Well? 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.960 Number one, nobody wants a shutdown let's just start with that. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.440 And you know, much like the last funding fight, my 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.400 counterparts in the Senate have much more leverage than we 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:53.400 do in the House, and they should use it, and 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.400 they use it to protect American people as use it 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.640 for good. They use it's a fund the government responsibly. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.040 They have a filibuster. We don't have that House. And 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.320 I've long felt like the Republicans have full control of 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:08.879 our government, you know, this House, Senate, White House. If 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.840 they want our votes, they should do something to work 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:12.159 with us. 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.360 But I don't have to go along with saying yes 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:16.840 to rescinding funding. 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:18.760 I don't just stick go along with saying yes to 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:22.160 using the bully pulper the White House to suppress speech 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.240 and to shut down critical voices. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:26.760 In the media. I don't do any of those things. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.040 And so I think there's a path here. They can 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:32.760 decide to work with Democrats responsibly, or they can do 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.280 it on their own, because they have enough power to 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.439 do it. And if they shut the government down, it 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.000 falls on them. It's not going to fall on the 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:41.280 House minority Democrats who aren't saying yes with a crazy 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:41.840 spending plan. 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.480 No, I get that. I mean, I just guess just tactically. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.760 And again, I know I'm a little weeds this year, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.920 but it's like I might let the six weeks see 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.320 r happen clean, Hey, you want six more weeks to talk, Fine, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.640 we'll give you six more weeks to negotiate, but you're 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:57.920 not getting another extension. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:17:58.879 Like you know it. 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.600 I go there because I see the shoes literally been 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:05.440 on the other foot on that. Hey we need six 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.320 more weeks to negotiate. Can we buy that while we 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.639 get through this. It's one of those where you're like, 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.560 you know it's That's what I mean is do you die? 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.960 You know you got to pick. I get the battle's 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.720 going to happen. The question is when do you want 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:19.520 the battle to happen. 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:22.679 Well, look, if there's any real effort to work with 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.320 us to have some kind of negotiation, great, let's do that. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.560 I haven't seen any of that, And so I think 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:30.640 to your point, if it's about buying time to work 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.840 something out, responsible, okay, I think you actually have support 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:35.880 for it. I haven't seen any of that yet. I mean, 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.000 maybe what I heard today is there some interest from 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.240 the White House, a meeting with Leader Jeffreys and Schumer. 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.720 You know, it's we're now a week out from the 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:45.920 end of the fiscal year. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:52.320 One of the Democratic senator from Pennsylvania has already indicated 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.600 he's going to vote to keep the government open pretty 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:56.359 much no matter what. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:01.280 And you know betterman, it's been interesting viewed him for my. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.560 About I guess it's been about five or six months now, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.960 and his mindset was, Look, we've got one north starts 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:12.199 the seven swing states. Whatever it takes to get a 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.080 majority of the seventh swing state ought to be the 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.960 focus of the party. See, I get that. That's an 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:19.520 interesting north star. That's what you'd want the head of 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:25.840 the party to say. He's been in uh shifted on that. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:29.400 What do you make of it? And do you where 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:33.240 are you with his He doesn't want to shut down 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:34.160 the government mindset? 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:36.800 Yep, me neither, And yet I wouldn't vote for a 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.480 shutdown bill that repealed the Civil Rights Act or you know, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.600 made national right to work or some national abortion band like. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:44.119 Of course not. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.800 We can do a basic level of analysis and have 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.760 some basic values that we're not going to compromise, and 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.440 so I don't think it's that complicated. We can say 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.080 and support funding the government and also say on there 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:58.399 are lines I'm not going to cross. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.639 May we balance those and put those in different places. 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:03.680 I guess we do, But I don't really get the 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:07.120 argument that there is no circumstances ever where I wouldn't 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:12.119 vote against a very partisan bad spending bill from the Republicans. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.119 There's a reason results matter more than promises, just like 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.280 there's a reason. Morgan and Morgan is America's largest injury 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.120 law firm. For the last thirty five years, they've recovered 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.360 twenty five billion dollars for more than half a million clients. 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.520 It includes cases where insurance companies offered next to nothing, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:36.600