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Speaker 1: And joining me now is a member of Congress from

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Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania, which is probably as important of a swing

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Speaker 1: geographic area as there is in the country. It's Congressman Christallusio.

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Speaker 1: He's from the seventeenth district. And for political junkies when

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Speaker 1: they think of PA seventeen, the first name they may

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Speaker 1: come to mind is Connor Lamb. Well, Christi Luzio replaced

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Speaker 1: Connor Lamb in Congress. It is mostly that district, And

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Speaker 1: in fact, i'll make that your first question, Congressman, how

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Speaker 1: much does it you know that famous PA seventeen race

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Speaker 1: at the time was a big deal because it leaned

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Speaker 1: more Republican in the teens. How much of your district

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Speaker 1: is the same? How much of it's different?

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Speaker 2: You know, when Connor first won that special election, big offset, right,

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Speaker 2: he really won that seat, captured the country's attention. Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court drew fair maps after that there was a

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Speaker 2: Republican gerrymander. So the district that he represented from really

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen on very similar to mine. It maybe a

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Speaker 2: point or so different. All of Beaver County, about half

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Speaker 2: Alleghany County, which for Eddie folks who know Pennsylvania that's

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Speaker 2: the County of Pittsburgh in so it's a I don't know,

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Speaker 2: the best district in the country if you ask me,

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Speaker 2: but it's competitive, it's got a mix of everything. It's

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Speaker 2: really a great part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Well, you grew up there, so you know this.

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Speaker 1: You know, there was the I don't know whether the

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Speaker 1: infamous saying James Carvell once said about Pennsylvania, which is

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Speaker 1: no longer true, but it used to be. He'd say,

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Speaker 1: just for political purposes, Philadelphia and the east, Pittsburgh and

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Speaker 1: the west, and Alabama in the middle.

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Speaker 3: And the point.

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Speaker 1: He was making is that, as you know, the Democrats

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Speaker 1: needed to care about the two coasts of Pennsylvania, you know,

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Speaker 1: putting coasts.

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Speaker 3: In plural there. But the fact of the matter is, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, as the Pennsylvania, as the Philly suburbs, became more democratic,

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Speaker 1: the reason the state didn't become a lot more democratic

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Speaker 1: is that western Pennsylvania, the Pittsburgh market, became much less democratic.

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Speaker 1: That is, your childhood to adulthood, walk me through that chain,

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Speaker 1: you know, tell me how your community.

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Speaker 3: Sort of swung there.

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Speaker 1: From there, I would argue Reagan Democrats to Clinton Democrats,

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Speaker 1: to even some Obama Democrats to now Trump Republicans.

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Speaker 2: I think a big part of that story the factory

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Speaker 2: towns and the rural communities, right And the factory towns

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Speaker 2: you drive along the rivers in my district, especially through

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Speaker 2: Beaver County on the Ohio River and the Beaver those

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Speaker 2: there are still great manufacturing jobs that anchor.

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Speaker 3: A lot of those communities.

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Speaker 2: And I think as you saw those jobs go away

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Speaker 2: in a lot of what's southwestern Pennsylvania, you saw political realignments,

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Speaker 2: You saw anger and frustration at how that happened. And

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Speaker 2: also where you see Democrats like me who are winning

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Speaker 2: and overperforming, and those kinds of communities we're winning and overperforming,

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Speaker 2: and those exact types of towns, and the same story.

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Speaker 2: If you look at John Fetterman's win, Josh Heroes win,

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Speaker 2: you look at what happened in the Senate race last

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Speaker 2: year with Bob Casey and Dave McCormick, the margins in

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Speaker 2: my part of Pennsylvania, in those factory towns, in the

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Speaker 2: rural communities, I think made the difference. It shows in

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Speaker 2: those races who can do a little better when they're

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Speaker 3: Those counties or losing those towns to.

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Speaker 1: Eat out a win. Did you over perform Casey? Yes,

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Speaker 1: who's the McCormick Deluzio voter.

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Speaker 2: There's a state House district Beaver County, communities like Ambridge,

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Speaker 2: and that state House district he won it. I won it,

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Speaker 2: and Dave McCormick won it, and it's an interesting story, right,

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Speaker 2: and Donald Trump won that district too. And you know,

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Speaker 2: I think if you spent time in that part of

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Speaker 2: my district, I think you talk to the voters who

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Speaker 2: might have voted that way, voted for me, or voted

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Speaker 2: for Rob Matsy and maybe voted above us as Republican.

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Speaker 2: Always hard to summarize, but these were folks who are

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Speaker 2: fired up and angry about costs one good jobs. I

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Speaker 2: think the economic fight was front center, and they heard

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Speaker 2: an economic fight at the heart of it. Again, hard

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Speaker 2: that part of my district really where it made the

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Speaker 1: So you operate that there are swing voters, there are

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Speaker 1: there's two. I always say there are two types of

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Speaker 1: swing voters. I do think there are voters that facillate

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Speaker 2: So I think both things are true, and I don't

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Speaker 2: want to oversay that it's just, Hey, you can convince

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Speaker 2: It's the other thing to believe. I mean, we have

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Speaker 2: work to do on turnout and frankly, rebuilding some of

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Speaker 2: makes me an older millennial, right, so I guess I

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Speaker 2: can't call myself a young voter anymore. We'll see, but

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Speaker 2: I do think there are folks who will split ticket.

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Speaker 3: I saw it in my election.

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Speaker 2: I saw it with the vote drop off from presidential

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Speaker 2: right Harris Trump, Casey McCormick down to my race. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they exist, and you got to get you got to

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Speaker 3: You gotta have candidates who know their districts.

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Speaker 2: I come back to I think the economic fight, not

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Speaker 2: the expense of anything else, but fighting on the economic

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Speaker 2: front principally is a good way to earn those votes.

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Speaker 2: And you don't have to be a whip about it.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to be backtracking on anything else. I

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Speaker 2: think it's the part of the path for Democrats to

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Speaker 1: Look, it's an eighty percent. Nobody likes concentrations of power, right,

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Speaker 1: that's an eighty percent. You know, people, you know recoil

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Speaker 1: So if you're talking about the economy in those terms,

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Speaker 1: it does strike me that you can have a conversation.

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Speaker 3: How much does the D next to your name make

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Speaker 1: I had a couple of independent candidates now they're running

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Speaker 1: an Idaho in South Dakota. This is not Western Pennsylvania, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Doublass, I mean, I'll tell you at least and from

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Speaker 2: my part of the world, and again, like it's different everywhere.

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Speaker 2: You know, some of the folks in some of those

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Speaker 2: trust and reconnect.

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Speaker 3: With those new deal routes.

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Speaker 2: For why for three four generations your family might have

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Speaker 3: And earning new two votes. And say, the.

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Speaker 2: Suburban parts of a district like mine, right, where folks

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Speaker 2: aren't as longer as long term Democrats who are coming

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Speaker 2: in to the party, those things can be attention. But

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Speaker 2: we can't find a way to do both of those things.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to win, nor can the Republicans. By

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Speaker 2: the way, that's the reality of political train here. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I think for my party's brand to be seen,

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Speaker 2: number one is tougher, right, And it's not just about

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Speaker 2: what's happening in Washington and being tough with Trump and

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Speaker 2: his administration, as we should be, but tougher on the

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Speaker 2: economic fight, which every survey I see, every conversation I have,

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Speaker 2: it comes up. Folks are mad about the cost of living.

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Speaker 2: I think for a party to be seen tougher. There

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Speaker 2: would help some of those folks you're talking about, say

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Speaker 2: in Idaho, where they don't have some deep democratic loyalty

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Speaker 3: I think it helps with those guys too.

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Speaker 1: You've spent time in the Navy, and you're a lawyer.

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Speaker 1: You went to Georgetown Law School. Why'd you decide on

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Speaker 3: So I was a senior in high school.

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Speaker 2: Nine to eleven happens, and I was pursuing the Naval Academy.

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Speaker 2: I mean that day sealed it that if I got in,

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Speaker 2: I went, And it's a tough place, it's a special place.

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Speaker 2: I really internalized, you know, the mission of what we

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Speaker 2: whether that's in uniform or public service. We talk about

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Speaker 2: citizenship even and so I just believe it deeply. That's

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Speaker 2: who I am. It's the part of the world I'm from.

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Speaker 2: You drive down most of the streets in western Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: main streets, you see banners honoring veterans in a lot

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Speaker 2: And that's even before I get into the stress the

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Speaker 3: So it is.

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Speaker 1: It's quite a moment, right, It's a There are times

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Speaker 1: feels like we're are we are? We did we really

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Speaker 1: and how concerned should we be.

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Speaker 3: I am concerned.

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Speaker 2: I think it's healthy and normal insane to look around

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Speaker 2: political violence, which of course is a problem, and I

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Speaker 3: That we got to fix.

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Speaker 2: And I think about now, I can criticize Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: and I will. Right, He's identified that wound, and he

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Speaker 2: offers to me snake oil, right, division, autocracy, threats to

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Speaker 2: what do we have to offer that's different?

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Speaker 3: But he does identify the problems, and I think we

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Speaker 1: Like this is where I think sometimes you know that

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Speaker 1: there are some Just because Trump has identified a problem correctly,

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Speaker 1: doesn't you know, doesn't mean it's not a problem. Right,

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Speaker 1: just because Trump says it's a problem, you shouldn't ignore it.

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Speaker 3: And I've always said that.

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Speaker 1: I think the voters when they when they sour on Trump,

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Speaker 1: they don't sour on the problems he's identified. They sour

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Speaker 2: So I'm forty one, and we can look at this

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of ways to do confrontation with Trump, there's

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Number one, nobody wants a shutdown let's just start with that.

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Speaker 3: But I don't have to go along with saying yes

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Speaker 2: I don't just stick go along with saying yes to

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Speaker 3: In the media. I don't do any of those things.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, if there's any real effort to work with

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Speaker 3: And you know betterman, it's been interesting viewed him for my.

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Speaker 2: Yep, me neither, And yet I wouldn't vote for a

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Speaker 2: interesting re scrambling of those old labels, you know, different ways.

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Speaker 1: Interesting Like you know, during the twenty twenty two primary,

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Speaker 1: Connor Lamb was the supposed centrist in John Fetterman was

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Speaker 1: the supposed progressive right. Is that is that how that

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Speaker 1: primary would look today?

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Speaker 3: It's a great question. I don't know, you know, and

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Speaker 3: I think I think either.

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Speaker 2: And much of our conversation up to this point has

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Speaker 2: been about the style of what a Democrat in Washington

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Speaker 2: is in the opposition in the minority, and so it's

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Speaker 2: a very different posture of going back to twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I first ran Democrats on the White House, and we're

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Speaker 2: still riding in the House with some control, and so

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Speaker 2: it's a very different posture.

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Speaker 3: And again I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think the current if there are phisures, it's not

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Speaker 2: so much about progressive lane, centrist.

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Speaker 3: Lane, moderate, whatever. I think it's now much more.

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Speaker 2: About what weather you're fighting and on what grounds you're

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Speaker 2: fighting more than it is are you going to support this,

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Speaker 2: that or the other piece of legislation, and what kind

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Speaker 2: of label democrats.

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Speaker 3: That make you.

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Speaker 1: No, it's an interesting thesis. I don't disagree with it

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Speaker 1: that there is sort of a little bit more. This

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Speaker 1: is no longer about size of government issues and government

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Speaker 1: spending issues that it really is more of how should

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Speaker 1: the power of government be used?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I agree, and I think, look, you have

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump trying to take what has become a very

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Speaker 2: powerful imperial presidency and put it on steroids, and a

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Speaker 2: question of what the heck do you do to stop

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Speaker 2: that and to protect the constitution, to assert the Congress's rule,

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Speaker 2: to assert the Court's rule. I don't think that lends

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Speaker 2: itself to a progressive, liberal, moderate centrist, whatever kind of lens.

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Speaker 2: It's a question of how do you be effective in

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Speaker 2: shoring up our constitution.

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Speaker 1: I had a friend of mine who might have called

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Speaker 1: himself a progressive, say three or four years ago, who said,

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Speaker 1: I want my own Donald Trump. And I said, what

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Speaker 1: do you mean? I want somebody in there with strength, right,

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Speaker 1: getting it to this strong versus weak argument, who's willing

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Speaker 1: to use, to accumulate and use power? And I get it,

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Speaker 1: But there's this fine line. Right, there's no doubt Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump does not believe in small government. He believes in

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Speaker 1: strong government. Strong government through his lens.

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Speaker 3: It tells me we are likely to have.

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Speaker 1: A political I'm a believer in political physics an equal

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Speaker 1: and opposite reaction, so we're probably going to have from

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Speaker 1: the other side of the ideological spectrum, also pursue a

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Speaker 1: more robust use of government. Can you do it without

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Speaker 1: it coming across as borderline authoritarian?

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Speaker 2: Well, Number one, I sure hope that's the case. And look,

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Speaker 2: I think there will be different political party in power

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Speaker 2: in Washington. There will be a democratic provitable right, will

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Speaker 2: be a democratic conference. And I think whomever that president

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Speaker 2: is should use their power to shore up the government,

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Speaker 2: to shore up trust and government. I talked about the

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Speaker 2: economic fight, why that undercuts trust. They also should be

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Speaker 2: clear about where there's been overstepping and overreach, where this

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Speaker 2: president or any other has been able to expose the

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Speaker 2: weak spots in our system to just relying on norms

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Speaker 2: or just relying on behavior.

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Speaker 1: Orcement agencies like I look at the FBI and the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice right now, and they couldn't be totally untrustworthy.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to sit here and say you

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Speaker 1: automatically restore trust by simply electing the other party. How

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Speaker 1: do you build in a safeguard so that the next

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Speaker 1: Trump is 'enable to weaponize the Justice Department?

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Speaker 3: Right? What do you do?

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Speaker 1: Do we change the status like there's a you know,

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Speaker 1: does the Justice Department get treated more like the Federal Reserve?

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Speaker 1: Although we're about to find out whether the Federal Reserve

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Speaker 1: has any independence left. But in theory, right, the Federal

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Speaker 1: Reserve a little bit different as far as it's supposedly

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has claimed it will be treating it differently,

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Speaker 1: more independent than as part of the executive branch.

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Speaker 3: Is that the model of our love that we ought

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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 1: Taking with law enforcement, considering once you lose trust in that,

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Speaker 1: you've lost the democracy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and frankly, not just I think you identify and

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Speaker 2: diagnose a real problem, but it also is about well,

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Speaker 2: the person who sits atop that law enforcement system, are

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Speaker 2: they willing to call for prosecution of their enemies to

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Speaker 2: rip up those norms? And so we can't. My point

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Speaker 2: is we can't be at the whim of what's in

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Speaker 2: the heart of mever happens to be the President, and

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Speaker 2: that to me is about structural change.

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Speaker 3: We got to have reform so.

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Speaker 2: That whether you've got a good or bad guy or

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Speaker 2: gal at the White House, it doesn't matter. They don't

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Speaker 2: have the tools to abuse something as base.

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Speaker 3: Against Look at their Look at this story that's circulated

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Speaker 3: over the weekend about Tom Holman and cash right, this

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Speaker 3: was an investigation taking place during Christopher Ray's FBI and

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Speaker 3: now it's Cash Betel's FBI, and they just shut it down.

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Speaker 3: They don't. By the way, what's amazing about this story

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Speaker 3: is they don't deny it happened. It is.

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Speaker 1: There's no denial of the facts of the story. There's

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Speaker 1: just simply well, we're not going to prosecute. There's nothing

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Speaker 1: to prosecute. And by the way, in fairness, bribery cases

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Speaker 1: are a high bar. They you know, if you can't

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Speaker 1: find the quit the you know, the quo in the

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Speaker 1: quid pro quo, it is always it is certainly difficult.

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Speaker 1: I assume the irs will have a little something to

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Speaker 1: say about mister Homan's extra income from the COVID takeout.

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Speaker 1: But when you look at a story like that and

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Speaker 1: you realize Christopher Ray managed the FBI one way in

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Speaker 1: cash Pttel who put out a statement, a joint statement

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Speaker 1: with the president's former personal attorney who somehow got confirmed

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Speaker 1: to be a deputy Attorney General. I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: laughable if it wasn't so serious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and to me, again, I think it's a symptom

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Speaker 2: of we now have a person who is willing to

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Speaker 2: look around and say, wow, I have all this power,

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Speaker 2: I can abuse it, and there aren't formal guardrails in

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Speaker 2: place to stop it. So to me, that just goes

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Speaker 2: to we have to have better structure, better form. There's

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Speaker 2: not some single silver bullet I can explain to you

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Speaker 2: on this podcast to how we do that. But to me,

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Speaker 2: we can't just hope there's a better, different person. You

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Speaker 2: got to put real limits on their power in place,

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Speaker 2: no matter which party has the White House in the future.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about an entity that you have some familiarity with,

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Speaker 1: being somebody who's served in the Navy.

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Speaker 3: It feels like there's an attempt.

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Speaker 1: To politicize the military right now in ways that we've

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Speaker 1: never seen go into it. I mean, I think about

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Speaker 1: I've already heard you know, I think there are parts

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Speaker 1: of this that don't get enough reporting including what's happening

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Speaker 1: at war colleges, what's happening to academy at the Naval

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Speaker 1: Academy at West Point.

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Speaker 3: But tell me what you understand is happening.

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Speaker 2: There is a real attempt here, and I think one

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Speaker 2: of the opening salvos of that you mentioned the Naval

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Speaker 2: Academy where I'm a graduate. I'm on the board there now,

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Speaker 2: and there was an attempt.

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Speaker 3: Still on the board, they don't take you out.

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Speaker 2: There's a congressional slate and there are a presidential appointees.

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Speaker 2: So there are Democrats from the congressional slate on the.

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Speaker 1: Band that Trump couldn't just eat Theron and Seth can't

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Speaker 1: remove you either, correct, And.

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Speaker 2: So there was an attempt to take books out of

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Speaker 2: the library. You know, this is a look, it's a

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Speaker 2: proving ground and a training place for future Navy Marine

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Speaker 2: Corps officers. It's also an academic institution. There are faculty

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Speaker 2: who do research, and so that's just one little piece

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Speaker 2: of a bigger problem. I saw the President at the

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Speaker 2: West Point Commissioning wearing a Maga hat. He was in

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Speaker 2: front of the troops down in North Carolina. There was

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Speaker 2: merch being sold. Design understand a campaign merch talking about

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Speaker 2: his political rivals in front of the troops, just stuff

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Speaker 2: that would seem beyond the pale. And yet it's happening

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Speaker 2: all against the backdrop of these efforts to I think,

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Speaker 2: politicize the curriculum at West Point Annapolis Air Force Academy,

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Speaker 2: to make changes to the senior flag and general officers

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Speaker 2: seemingly around their political views. And that's just a part

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Speaker 2: of it. And so I think it's a problem. I

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Speaker 2: think it's a big problem. And I come from again,

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Speaker 2: I was an officer immission on the Naval Academy. The

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Speaker 2: culture we learned was a political You don't ever give

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Speaker 2: any appearance of that kind of bias and uniform because

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Speaker 2: you serve the civilian leadership, whichever party that might be,

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Speaker 2: right the secretary up to the president. And I think

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Speaker 2: this effort to inject political and partisan loyalty, it's dangerous

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Speaker 2: to me, just again goes to eroding trust in the

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Speaker 2: military as an institution that's going.

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Speaker 3: To serve the civilian leadership who we elect.

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Speaker 2: In this country.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the timing of this attempt by the

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Speaker 1: Pentagon to stifle press coverage.

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Speaker 3: It literally came two days after.

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Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal reported that there were lawyers at

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon nervous that nobody was taking their legal concerns

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Speaker 1: seriously regarding what could be extra judicial killings that are

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Speaker 1: taking place in the Caribbean Sea. You know, if there

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Speaker 1: is what I would call legal dissent and you have

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Speaker 1: legal count basically members of the military legal team saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: this is of questionable and none of how is it

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Speaker 1: going to get out? How are we going to get

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Speaker 1: this information out there if we know that our civilian

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Speaker 1: or our political leaders are essentially ignoring the legal advice

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Speaker 1: they're being given about whether what they're doing is legal

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Speaker 1: or not.

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Speaker 2: I think part of that answer, or part of my answer,

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Speaker 2: gets to the importance of congressional oversight. And look, I'm

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Speaker 2: on the Armed Services Committee that we don't have a

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Speaker 2: subpoena power. As Democrats and the minority, I expect we're

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Speaker 2: going to win.

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Speaker 1: Your chair at all, is the Chair of Armed Services

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Speaker 1: at all interested and at least finding out what authority

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Speaker 1: is being used here to just bomb ships that the

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Speaker 1: President claims are famous Psyco terrorists.

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Speaker 2: I hope so, because I can tell you my Democratic

633
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Speaker 2: colleagues do I suspect some of my Republican colleagues do.

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Speaker 2: I'd like them to put some muscle behind that.

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Speaker 3: Because all seems concerned, Yeah, what it's worth.

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Speaker 2: And say, he's a voice in the Senate who's actually

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Speaker 2: spoken up here. It looks like I'm a veteran of

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Speaker 2: the war in Iraq, Right, I'm.

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Speaker 3: A veteran of a war that I don't think we

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Speaker 3: should have fought.

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Speaker 2: But at least the Congress, for crying out loud, debated

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Speaker 2: and had an authorization.

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Speaker 1: They went to the UN and he went to Congress.

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Speaker 1: Like we could debate was the intelligence manipulated or wrong?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Was it purposely wrong or it just was wrong? We

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Speaker 1: could have that debate. But the but the separation of

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Speaker 1: powers was respected.

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Speaker 3: And that's my point.

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Speaker 2: And look, I think, and I'm convey this in private,

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Speaker 2: I'll say it to you here, my Republican counterparts. Right now, right,

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Speaker 2: they're enjoying full control of Washington. That's not going to

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Speaker 2: last forever. And you ought to have some respect for

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Speaker 2: Congress's power, the people's power president of matter what party

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Speaker 2: they're in, who is overstepping their authority? And I think

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Speaker 2: something like war powers is one of those places We've

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Speaker 2: seen presidents for a long time abuse this Congress not

658
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Speaker 2: asserted much more power here. And go back to the Constitution,

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Speaker 2: which says it is the Congress and the American people

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Speaker 2: who decide whether we go and start a war or

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Speaker 2: send Americans to fight.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about you came in in

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Speaker 1: twenty two and so you have no memory. You're not

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Speaker 1: part of the institution that was. And frankly, it's really

665
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Speaker 1: been about twenty years since the House knew how to

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Speaker 1: be bipartisan, where committee chairs and ranking members would there

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Speaker 1: was some coordination at some form or another. There's probably

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Speaker 1: slightly more left in the Senate, just because some of

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Speaker 1: those senators have been there a little bit longer. The

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Speaker 1: House is a little a little more new. But how

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Speaker 1: have you gone about trying to find Republican colleagues to

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Speaker 1: work with and.

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Speaker 3: What works best?

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Speaker 2: It's a great question. So I'll tell give you two

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Speaker 2: pieces of this. One is a very direct way I try.

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Speaker 2: I'm in this caucus for country caucus. It's veterans of

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Speaker 2: both parties. We mostly can find places to work together

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Speaker 2: on defense, maybe some veterans issues, and so that's a

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Speaker 2: real effort to try to find.

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Speaker 3: Has that gotten harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has gotten harder, and it's gotten harder to

682
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Speaker 2: be candid with Donald Trump as president and the threat

683
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Speaker 2: that he always has over Republicans of they may lose

684
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Speaker 2: a primary and look the other and may be more productive.

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Speaker 2: Not more productive, but a way that I've seen some success.

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Speaker 2: You know, my district right on the border with Ohio,

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Speaker 2: right on the border with East Palestine. We had people

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Speaker 2: in the evacuation zone of that horrible derailment. We have

689
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Speaker 2: people in Beaver County who live through that fireball. So

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Speaker 2: I've been in the real safety fight since that happened.

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Speaker 2: I've found some Republicans to with me in that. Mike Ruley,

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Speaker 2: the Republican Member for East Palestine.

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Speaker 3: Is one of my co leades. JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance was before he was the Vice president, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so where I got to find partners to do

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Speaker 2: something that's right.

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Speaker 3: I do it.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't always work. I'm not naive about the moment

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Speaker 2: we're in. I'm frankly a little less interested in trying

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Speaker 2: to convince my Republican counterparts to come to my point

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Speaker 2: of view and a little more interested in winning power

702
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Speaker 2: and taking gavels out of their hands and after the

703
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Speaker 2: election next year. But we always got to try to

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Speaker 2: find some ways.

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Speaker 3: And I get it. And you're right though at the

706
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Speaker 3: beginning of the question, you know, I've.

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Speaker 2: Never served in a Congress that was something like I've

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Speaker 2: heard about, which is not the Congress.

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Speaker 1: The good old days, whatever the hell that means. All

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Speaker 1: I know is when I was younger, they kept telling

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Speaker 1: me about the good old days that it turns out

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Speaker 1: I was in the good old days.

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Speaker 3: But what did I know?

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Speaker 1: And yet the nineties were seen as the most divisive

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Speaker 1: era we'd ever had in politics.

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Speaker 3: My god, if it should come take a look.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if only we could have to day, that's

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Speaker 1: what the how it felt in the night, because that

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Speaker 1: was compared to the eighties. Right, it's always about you

720
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Speaker 1: know what you're what are you comparing it to? Right now,

721
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Speaker 1: the good old days of New Gigrids at Bill Clinton

722
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Speaker 1: seem like it seemed like small potatoes. Well, the reason

723
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Speaker 1: I was setting me up on that, to be honest,

724
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Speaker 1: is is I thought that the one area where I

725
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Speaker 1: feel like there is real bipartisan interest in doing something

726
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Speaker 1: about this concentration of power is in tech, specifically with

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Speaker 1: social media and kids.

728
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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know why I can't. You can't get

729
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Speaker 3: people if we if we know this product's terrible for kids,

730
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Speaker 3: why should we assume it's not terrible for adults.

731
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Speaker 1: But one step at a time, if we can get

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Speaker 1: everybody agreeing this is a human brain experiment that should

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Speaker 1: no longer be used on our children, then maybe over

734
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Speaker 1: time we'll convince them that yet this, this digital smoking

735
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Speaker 1: is bad for you, no matter what age you are.

736
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Speaker 3: But there does seem to be real possibilities here.

737
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Speaker 1: On kids and sort of getting at the big tech

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Speaker 1: algorithm issue and all these things through the abuse of

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Speaker 1: our children.

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Speaker 3: It has been a rare place.

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Speaker 2: I mean when you've got Kathy Hokeel and Sarah alb

742
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Speaker 2: Sanders down in Arkansas both signing similar.

743
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Speaker 3: Chats in the Senate, right.

744
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's a place I see it in my

745
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Speaker 2: own district around smartphones and schools. I sent a survey

746
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Speaker 2: out to all my school districts just to see what

747
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Speaker 2: they're doing. Should you know, I asked a public survey

748
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Speaker 2: about banning smartphones from classrooms and it was like an

749
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Speaker 2: eighty twenty response. So it seems to be a place

750
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Speaker 2: where it hasn't fallen down on the sort you know,

751
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Speaker 2: the typical partisan line. Parents are very worried about what's.

752
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Speaker 3: Going on with the kids. I'm a dad, I got

753
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Speaker 3: young kids, Believe me, I'm worried.

754
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Speaker 2: And so maybe it's the one place we still have

755
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Speaker 2: where we can find something to do to protect these kids,

756
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Speaker 2: and it hasn't become the usual source of d versus are.

757
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Speaker 2: I think there's real anger at the big tech companies.

758
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Speaker 2: I think not just parents. People know this stuff is

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Speaker 2: designed to be addictive. Right, You're talking about like teenage

760
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Speaker 2: and preteen brains. Those kids are vulnerable, and I think

761
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Speaker 2: politicians are just catching up to really how frustrated, especially

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Speaker 2: the parents are. Have you got to do something to

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Speaker 2: protect these kids?

764
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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: And it feels like once we get everybody focused on that,

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Speaker 1: then we're all going to.

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Speaker 3: Say, hey, wait a minute, what was everybody else? What

768
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Speaker 3: about everybody else?

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Speaker 1: And then of course, like we also have this huge

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Speaker 1: content and that's the other part of this, and this

771
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Speaker 1: is where, you know, I had a conversation with Steve

772
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Speaker 1: Bannon who said, you know who was a big fan

773
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Speaker 1: of Lina Kahn. And he said something that was frankly

774
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Speaker 1: a very agreeable statement. He said, he goes, you know,

775
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm always nervous about too much concentration of power.

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Speaker 1: Me too, And I'm like me too, right, and he goes,

777
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Speaker 1: I'm focused on government and media, and I'm like, okay,

778
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Speaker 1: except look what we're doing in tech, Look what we've.

779
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Speaker 3: Done with crypto.

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Speaker 1: And I've got my questions about it as it is.

781
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Speaker 1: But what we are doing is we're concentrating a small

782
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Speaker 1: group of people to control. I mean, look at media now.

783
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Speaker 1: It is all Donald Trump's friends who are owning a

784
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Speaker 1: piece of TikTok. You're now going to have potentially one family,

785
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Speaker 1: two families control Fox, CBS and CNN.

786
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Speaker 3: Right.

787
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Speaker 1: If the Ellisons go through with both CBS and an

788
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Speaker 1: acquisition of Warner Brothers, that's a huge concentration of power,

789
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Speaker 1: which I don't understand where the small c conservatives are.

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Speaker 3: On this well.

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Speaker 2: And I think look in this moment, especially where you're

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Speaker 2: seeing a president and his allies willing to stifle dissent

793
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Speaker 2: and use the power they have to kick people off TV.

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Speaker 3: Right.

795
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Speaker 2: The problem of concentration of power is related to this.

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Speaker 2: If you've got a diffuse competitive market, it's a lot

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Speaker 2: harder to bully. Yeah, a very competitive market versus just

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Speaker 2: a handful of corporations who you have hanging over their head,

799
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Speaker 2: the threat of blocking a merger, for instance, right finding

800
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Speaker 2: some use of government power you can use to get

801
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 2: action that you want somewhere else. The competition would make

802
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Speaker 2: that a lot harder to do. And by the way,

803
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Speaker 2: it might be better for a variety of viewpoints. It

804
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Speaker 2: might be better to have different content creators and different

805
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: sports and TV and news platforms, maybe better for consumers.

806
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Speaker 2: And so I think these things are linked. I think

807
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Speaker 2: the economic fight and for me, I very much include

808
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Speaker 2: that concentration of power right that Leana Conn and others

809
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Speaker 2: were part of in the Biden administration that it seemed,

810
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Speaker 2: at least at the beginning there might be some carryover

811
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Speaker 2: into this administration that now seems to be happening. I

812
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Speaker 2: think that fight is really important, and it goes to

813
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Speaker 2: beating back any attempts.

814
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Speaker 3: To weekend free speech and week in the constitution.

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Speaker 2: I think they are very very linked.

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Speaker 1: Well, this gets it too, And I'm curious how you

817
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Speaker 1: answer this question, because I'm sure you've had a constituent

818
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Speaker 1: when you bring up this corruption issue, and I'm like,

819
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Speaker 1: I am just alarmed at the level of pay to

820
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Speaker 1: play that we have right now, and I'll bring that

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Speaker 1: up and I'll have somebody say, well, they're all kind

822
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Speaker 1: of corrupt, and you're like, yeah, but like this goes

823
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Speaker 1: to eleven, you know, like you know doing I'm sorry

824
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Speaker 1: for the gen X reference there to spinal tap, but

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Speaker 1: you know it is I hear you. I know, I

826
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Speaker 1: just you know you're here, You're talking like a middle

827
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Speaker 1: aged guy and I'm like, yeah, I'm a decade plus

828
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Speaker 1: older than you.

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Speaker 3: God love us, But what do you say to that?

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Speaker 1: Because I really do think the biggest problem we've got

831
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Speaker 1: is with the public is they agree that what's happening

832
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Speaker 1: is bad, but they sit there and say it's hey, man,

833
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Speaker 1: I thought the last guy was somewhat corrupt to you

834
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Speaker 1: may not have thought he was as corrupt as I did,

835
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Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't look any that much better.

836
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Speaker 3: And all of these.

837
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Speaker 1: People get rich off of politics, whether it's liberals or conservatives.

838
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Speaker 1: And the thing is is that even I could say, well,

839
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Speaker 1: it's lopside. It's like when everybody wants to have this

840
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Speaker 1: fight over who whose extremists are more violent, it doesn't

841
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Speaker 1: matter if everybody's got violent actors on their side. You

842
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: need to police it, But how do we break this

843
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: sort of that cynical while they're all corrupt? So I

844
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Speaker 1: you know, I even had people say, yeah, I know

845
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Speaker 1: Trump's corrupt, but at least he's authentic about it.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example on congressional stock trading. Okay,

847
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Speaker 2: I had constituents at town hall or Senior Center event,

848
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Speaker 2: and I'll bring it up or they'll bring it up

849
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Speaker 2: and they might think they've so I'm gonna get chick.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to name some Democrat who abuse this,

851
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Speaker 2: and then my answer is that I don't care. We

852
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Speaker 2: no one should be doing this. Let's ban the damn thing.

853
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Speaker 2: And it's an easy anti corruption thing that we should do.

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Speaker 2: And yet I think it actually it's one example of

855
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Speaker 2: many of this stuff that just three needs distrust for people.

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Speaker 2: Right when you see politicians do this, people know it's gross.

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Speaker 2: They're not dumb, people are smart. They know that when

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Speaker 2: politicians get rich doing this stuff, it's crooked. And I

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Speaker 2: can cite the same stuff about the abuse of the

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Speaker 2: mean coins and everything else in the administration, but I

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Speaker 2: think the congressional stock trading really hits for people, and

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Speaker 2: you got to be willing to just say I don't

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Speaker 2: care who is doing this, it's wrong.

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Speaker 3: You just need that.

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Speaker 2: And I think it seems like a low hanging through

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Speaker 2: of something we could take on and just do right now,

867
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Speaker 2: and we ought to do. And frankly, there has been

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Speaker 2: movement finally of some legislation that you've got Dems and

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Speaker 2: Republicans both on we should just do this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. Notion here, what if you combine

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Speaker 1: the Congressional stock band with a pay raise? Oh gosh, look,

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Speaker 1: I know that it's about Look you know, I'm one

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Speaker 1: of these people who at least understands the life you live,

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Speaker 1: and like you know, if you don't want members of

875
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Speaker 1: Congress to interact with each other, then make them sleep

876
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: in their own offices and make them not. If you

877
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: do want them to interact, then you better pay them

878
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: a decent salary so they can maybe have their family

879
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: in Washington. And if you move your family to Washington,

880
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: you're more likely to get to know people across the

881
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: aisle than if you don't.

882
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: You end up.

883
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's I could I could sit here

884
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: and talk myself in circles about what's better or worse.

885
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: But if I've been empathetic to. One argument about the

886
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: Congressional stock band is, if you're a middle class person

887
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: who's had a decent job, got a four to one k,

888
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do?

889
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 3: What you get there?

890
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: And you get it, but hey, I'm trying to plan

891
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: for retirement too, and it isn't a very you know.

892
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: I know, it sounds like a lot of money that

893
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: you make, and it is to a lot of people.

894
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: But what I always say is great, try having two

895
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 3: households on that one hundred and six seventy two thousand

896
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: dollars a year salary. That's hard.

897
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's going to feel bad for us.

898
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 3: And you know, you know, you know that and like

899
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: it to the point on.

900
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like baiting. I don't mean to pitch it,

901
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: like to make it, but I do think that it is.

902
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: It is not the easiest lifestyle for a member of Congress,

903
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: and yet they take so much. There's this perception that

904
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 1: life is so easy.

905
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: One look, even let's let's do the retiring example you

906
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: talk about. You could just have ETFs or mutual funds

907
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 2: and you are trading individual companies, which I think is

908
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 2: such a an obvious red flag given the count.

909
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: And we saw this during the pandemic, where wow, Richard

910
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: Burr made a whole bunch of trades literally an hour

911
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: after he got the word about what was coming with

912
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: the pandemic, like, yeah, that was bad.

913
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to cry tears for you know that.

914
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: That get that.

915
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: Look at the end of the day, this is public service.

916
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: It's a great honor to get to do this job.

917
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: It is a public trust. And I think it's one

918
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: of those things that if the members who won't support

919
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: a band were to look themselves in the mirror and ask, like,

920
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: because this is good for public trust in our government,

921
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: they would say, of course, stop or they're deluding themselves.

922
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't get it. I just think it's an obvious

923
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: one and your point's well taken, but man, we ought

924
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: to just here's.

925
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the problem I'm trying to solve for yaes.

926
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: I want a working class person to be able to percent,

927
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: to be able to be a member of Congress. And

928
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: the way it all works now is you really need

929
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,959
Speaker 1: to be wealthy in order to be an effective member

930
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: of the House, and that's that shouldn't be how it works.

931
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: I agree, and that's a real problem. And part of

932
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: it is look, when we've got candidates, and the Republicans

933
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: will have their own version of this with the NRCC

934
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: and all the rest, but you know, it's part of

935
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: it is trying to give candidates who come from a

936
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: working class background a shot to run. I'm supporting Bob

937
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: Brooks running in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania. Is a firefighter.

938
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: You know, that's that's not the norm for folks who

939
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: end up being in Congress.

940
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: No, it's a lot of lawyers. No offense to your JD.

941
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: But like, in fact, that is a lion's share of

942
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: the Democrats that are in the House or lawyers.

943
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, I get it. It look like at the

944
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: end of the day, we're lawmaking. That helps a little bit.

945
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: But man, you've got to have different perspectives. It can't

946
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 2: just be one thing. And I think that's a really

947
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: good question, and what we do about it is not

948
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: an easy answer. But a part of it has to

949
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: be folks helping when we've got good candidates who come

950
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: from a working class background, getting some supported help, because man,

951
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: the fundraising reality of getting elected to Congress is obscene.

952
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: We can spend an hour talking about campaign finance. But

953
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: it's not an easy thing, and it's I think we

954
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: would do better as a Congress, as a country if

955
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: we have people who came from far more normal jobs

956
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: and careers.

957
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: I want to get you out of here on two

958
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 1: more questions, once politics and one will be easy because

959
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: it's it should be easy because it's sports.

960
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 3: But I'm a politican front.

961
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: It seems like every Democratic strategists out there, and no

962
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: matter the flavor that they may be ideologically, all is

963
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: agreeing on the same thing, which is, hey, Democrats need

964
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: to drop the culture stuff and just focus on economics

965
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: and sort of day to day things. It's easy to say,

966
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: but it's turned out to be really difficult in practice,

967
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: hasn't it.

968
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: I guess that here's what I'll say.

969
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: And look, I talk about my own experience running and winning,

970
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: and I've never backtracked on people's civil rights. And you know,

971
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: my part of the world is very competitive. It used

972
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: to be, you know a lot of the old blue

973
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: dog Dems in my part of the world who were

974
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: anti abortion. I was just going to say a lot

975
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: of pro life Democrats have represented Western Pennsylvania in the past.

976
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: I want to say, Mike Doyle was I don't remember

977
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: for sure, but I feel like that was the case.

978
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 2: But matter, I guess where I'm going is I have

979
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: put this economic fight front center, and I've also been

980
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: clear I don't have to backtrack on anybody's freedom to

981
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: do that, and I've been talking about it on the

982
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: stump and at rallies. As much as Donald Trump might

983
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: want to divide people, right, some trans person wanting dignity

984
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: is not why you're housing or your healthcare is a ripoff,

985
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 2: and We're not going to fall for that. I don't

986
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 2: think the path to Democrats rebuilding trust is now throwing

987
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: people under the bus. And by the way, the other

988
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 2: side of this, the Republicans ought to be careful because

989
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 2: not only are they hurting people, they're spending a lot

990
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: of time, a lot of time worrying about inspecting kids

991
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: genitals on sports fields when they are failing to bring

992
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 2: down the cost of living, And that is I think

993
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: them failing at their core task and spending way too

994
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: much time picking on kids and what sports they're going to.

995
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 3: Play in your community.

996
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: What is the one big economic issue that you think

997
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: is about to just explode that you know we'll like

998
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: people aren't realizing it about three to six months X

999
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: is going to happen.

1000
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: People's energy bills are already been going up and they're

1001
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: mad about it. And that's on top of healthcare getting

1002
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: more and more expensive.

1003
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 3: Is there a good.

1004
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 1: Explanation on energy what's happening here? Because this doesn't feel

1005
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: like an easy answer.

1006
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: And here's the things. Yeah, it's a mix.

1007
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 2: I've been working with Congressional Research to get really dug

1008
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: in on what's going on in my part of the country.

1009
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 3: Pj's across the board.

1010
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the New Jersey governor's race,

1011
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: both candidates are, hey, we're going to try to fight

1012
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: for you, Like yeah, when you see both candidates do

1013
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: it something, you're like, oh, this is everywhere.

1014
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: Trust me. I mean my wife and I had this discussion. Yeah,

1015
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: have we always paid this much? Like no, this is

1016
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 3: really a new spike. Yeah, there's something happening out here.

1017
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: You've got a problem with not enough power generation period,

1018
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 2: no matter the source of power.

1019
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: That's a real problem. And you know, you.

1020
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: Also got a mix of the traditional co ops, but

1021
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: you've got these investor owned or private owned utilities that's

1022
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: seen to be jacking up prices at.

1023
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 3: Higher rates than the old co ops. If you've got

1024
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: that in your part of the world.

1025
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: And I think it's a power generation problem. It's the monopolies.

1026
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: They're all monopoly essentially on the transmission distribution side, some

1027
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: of those investor owned companies there. There's not an easy answer,

1028
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 2: but man, I think people are mad about it, and

1029
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: I think the Republican Big beautiful.

1030
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 3: Bill just made it worse.

1031
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: And we're going to see as those tax credits go

1032
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 2: away for things like getting new power, new transmission going,

1033
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 2: that's going to make bills go up.

1034
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm old enough to remember when the Republican stance on

1035
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: energy was all of the above. I'm and suddenly it's

1036
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: no longer all of the above. It's whatever. President Trump

1037
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 1: likes oil and gas, he likes nuclear, he's okay with solar,

1038
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: he doesn't like wind.

1039
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: And you're like, what does it matter? Don't we want

1040
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 3: all of it? Tell you why?

1041
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: You talk to people in the building trades in western Pennsylvania.

1042
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 2: They would just like jobs and any any energy work.

1043
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Those can be good jobs.

1044
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: Are you going to go to the you know the

1045
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: your I assume you're a beloved Pittsburgh Steelers fan.

1046
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 3: I am.

1047
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: I think when we when this, this will air before you,

1048
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's going Ireland right.

1049
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: Double right about this coming Sunday, I think, yeah.

1050
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: That's got to be a tempting field trip.

1051
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm not going. I'm staying home. I'll watched from Afar.

1052
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: It's going to be like an early game on Sundays

1053
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: as well.

1054
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: Well the Rooneyes. I mean, I just think, what a

1055
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: right the pop on me was the ambassador. I mean,

1056
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: that's going to be.

1057
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I have a feeling that's going to be

1058
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 3: a Pittsburgh home game.

1059
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: You know, some tells me if Steelers will travel well everywhere,

1060
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna guess we got good fans in Double.

1061
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: How how you holding up with the Aaron Rodgers experience.

1062
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 3: I'm from a weird fan. I know, I know this world.

1063
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 2: Well, he's older than me, I'm pretty sure, which is bizarre.

1064
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: You guys are about the same age. I think that's right. Yeah. Yeah.

1065
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: The New England win, so we're recording this Monday after.

1066
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 3: We just beat the Patriots. It was kind of an

1067
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 3: ugly game. You know, better win than lose. Better the

1068
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 3: win than lose.

1069
00:53:55,160 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: He is and and then of course there's the Pittsburgh Pirates.

1070
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: It is why does an incredible franchise with its history

1071
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: like that? You know, I say this, I come from

1072
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: Miami and we didn't have baseball on I was growing up.

1073
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: I moved to Washington and didn't have baseball. Now has

1074
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: the Nats. I feel like Pittsburgh's just a worse version

1075
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: than what Miami and Washington have experienced, which is owners

1076
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: that just either don't have the resources or don't spend

1077
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: the resources.

1078
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: I think it's a simple question of whether you're going

1079
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: to spend and invest in the team. I mean, look,

1080
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 2: we play in a beautiful ballpark. You got a fan

1081
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: base who will show up a magnetic ballpark, meaning people

1082
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: will travel. You hear it all the time, Like you know,

1083
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 2: there's a.

1084
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,720
Speaker 3: Whole baseball community that loves to do the ballpark traveling.

1085
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean yeah.

1086
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: In fact, my son is one of them. He's one

1087
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: of the few eighteen year olds that actually likes baseball.

1088
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: As he says, he's in college and he goes, yeah,

1089
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to go check out a Rangers game. He's

1090
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: down in Texas and he had a hard time recruiting

1091
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Speaker 1: people to go check out a baseball game, Like, that's

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Speaker 1: how badly baseball is not penetrating gen Z. But he

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Speaker 1: loves to see all the parks and PNC Park is

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Speaker 1: always right at the top of the list. PNC Colorado,

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Speaker 1: you know, after Wriggling, Fenway, P and C Colorado and Camden,

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Speaker 1: those three are just fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Well we't even gone to the fact that we have

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Speaker 2: the best pitching.

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Speaker 3: He's so great.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Paul Skeens is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's going to be terrific for the New York Yankees

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Speaker 3: one day.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it kills me to know that we

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Speaker 2: are probably not going to be able to keep this guy.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I look at from his perspective. You

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Speaker 2: want to win, and you want an ownership that wants

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Speaker 2: to win. I mean, we should be pitchers.

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Speaker 3: Do this.

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Speaker 1: What's your career lifespan? Right, Like you'll have a finite

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Speaker 1: amount of time before your arm falls off, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I know, I know, I wish. Look, I want

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Speaker 3: to build a team around this guy. I want us

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Speaker 3: to compete and win.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have this guy who's such a generational talent.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know, are the.

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Speaker 1: Pirates owners good community citizens? I mean, do they invest

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Speaker 1: in the community or not really.

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Speaker 2: I think if you went to a game, you would

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Speaker 2: see his banners and T shirts and tell them to

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Speaker 2: sell the team. And that tells you about what the

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Speaker 2: public sees. You know, Look, they want to winner. These

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Speaker 2: guys would would spend and invest. People would come around

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Speaker 2: this ownership. I think it's a simple lesson and you

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Speaker 2: see it with We're talked. We talked about the Rooneyes

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Speaker 2: and the Steelers. They invest, they spend a win, they

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Speaker 2: have a culture of winning. The Bucos could do this

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Speaker 2: with a little bit of money.

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Speaker 3: One last question.

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Speaker 1: If you go through the various suburban communities on a

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Speaker 1: college football Saturday, are there going to be more Penn

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Speaker 1: State flags or Pitt Panther flax?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm a pit fan through and through, so we're

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Speaker 2: we're going with Pitt.

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Speaker 3: But there are pretty big fifty is it it? It's?

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Speaker 3: Is it? Well? And they're also West Virginia fans. We're

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Speaker 3: not that far from Morgantown, right, so you got a

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Speaker 3: little bit of that too. Yeah, it's a mix, all right. Congressman,

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Speaker 3: it's great to get to know you appreciate the time

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Speaker 3: Chuff Banks found me on