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Speaker 1: demanse It says, the first topic is asenine quarterback rankings.
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah, So a couple of.
Speaker 2: QB polls came out quarterback rankings, whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call him. So Bill Simmons debuted his quarterback pyramid, and
Speaker 2: he had Josh Allen at the top. Dan Orlowsky came
Speaker 2: out with a bunch of traits that quarterback should have
Speaker 2: about six, that Patrick mahomes number one, and about the
Speaker 2: same amount of categories as Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: So which one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Zero?
Speaker 2: So which one of these is enraging you more? Which
Speaker 2: one do you want to ask?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely Simmons's and we're gonna deep dive on
Speaker 1: it because it is not lost on me that my
Speaker 1: pal and I like Bill. Bill and I have a
Speaker 1: good relationship. But it is not lost to me that
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons kind of kicks off his full NFL coverage
Speaker 1: with a podcast that debuts a quarterback pyramid and whose
Speaker 1: main guest is Kevin Wilds. I'm not saying that Bill
Speaker 1: that this was a direct shot at me, and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to pull apart first things first, But I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it wasn't. So I'll get to Bill in a second.
Speaker 1: But on Orlofsky's thing, listen, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna argue with Dann obviously knows the quarterback position better
Speaker 1: than me. I what I am gonna say is this
Speaker 1: arm strength he has Josh Allen one, Patrick two, no problem.
Speaker 1: I actually agree with that, and I actually think you
Speaker 1: could be tricky with that one. There might be you
Speaker 1: might be able to say Herbert could be ahead of
Speaker 1: Patrick Hell. I don't know if Joe Milton's availed eligible,
Speaker 1: like he could be like that just the raw arm
Speaker 1: strength Josh Allen one is totally fine, no beef whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Then it gets dumb ball placement. Patrick Mahomes five behind
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow again fine, Jaden, Lamar and Josh. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good take. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people watch Lamar, Josh and Jaden and they're like
Speaker 1: they can just put it where they want better than
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how much of Burrow's is
Speaker 2: the fact that he has those Crazyr receivers. They're just gonna.
Speaker 1: Well, No, I think Burrow is like dumb accurate because
Speaker 1: he has to be because he's not very fast and
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the strongest arm. So the way he
Speaker 1: can be as successful as he is is like I
Speaker 1: think Burrow would maybe win the contest of that net
Speaker 1: drill that Caleb failed the other day if they did that,
Speaker 1: but like made it harder and harder and harder. I
Speaker 1: think Burrow might be my number one pick, but call
Speaker 1: me crazy in that drill, I wouldn't take Lamar over Patrick. Again,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm a hater. Next one, we get to mechanics
Speaker 1: where he lists ten quarterbacks and Patrick's not one of them.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you again, he has Lamar four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched Lamar play quarterback, and I'm like, man, if
Speaker 1: only Patrick had as clean of mechanics as Lamar does,
Speaker 1: I do like I feel that way. I think it's
Speaker 1: a good take the other ones. And again again like
Speaker 1: the if Geno, Dak and Golf have better mechanics than Patrick,
Speaker 1: then maybe mechanics are overrated. But mechanics didn't. Again, Patrick
Speaker 1: didn't make the top ten decision making with the football.
Speaker 1: Patrick came in stifth again I and then this is
Speaker 1: the this is the one that really I couldn't. I
Speaker 1: couldn't get over pocket presence. Burrow won, Lamar two, Patrick three. Okay,
Speaker 1: like whatever, I'm not gonna I don't even I don't
Speaker 1: even know what we're doing here. But fine, that's Orlowsky's list.
Speaker 1: He has a more fine tuned I for quarterback than me,
Speaker 1: I suppose I think it is. I disagree with some
Speaker 1: of those, but that's not my real beef. My real
Speaker 1: beef is with Bill, because Bill debuts his quarterback pyramid
Speaker 1: and has Josh Allen at the top. And the problem
Speaker 1: with that is, and here's the problem with having as
Speaker 1: long and as successful a career as Bill Simmons has had,
Speaker 1: and a career that so many folks, myself included obviously
Speaker 1: literally grew up reading every single one of your sports
Speaker 1: takes because Bill's column was must read for every sports
Speaker 1: fan of my generation for more than a decade. The
Speaker 1: problem with having that level of influence and being having
Speaker 1: that long of a career is earmuffs, kids, We remember
Speaker 1: what you fucking wrote. And for fifteen years, Bill fought
Speaker 1: tooth and nail against the idea that anyone would ever,
Speaker 1: under any circumstances consider Peyton Manning better than Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: even though for the entirety of those fifteen years, Peyton
Speaker 1: had a strong, a far stronger case to be considered
Speaker 1: better than Peyton Manning. I'm sorry that. Let me back
Speaker 1: that up. Peyton had a far stronger case to be
Speaker 1: considered better than Brady. Then Josh would have right now
Speaker 1: to be considered better than Patrick. And this is where
Speaker 1: all of these quarterback rankings are going to be self defeating.
Speaker 1: But let me just quickly, off the top of my
Speaker 1: damn head, give you the Peyton versus Tom first decade
Speaker 1: history win again a reminder, my pal Bill built part
Speaker 1: of his massive empire on the take that Tom Brady
Speaker 1: is better than Peyton Manning. If we go two thousand
Speaker 1: to two thousand and five, Peyton has peeled MVPs, but
Speaker 1: Peyton is zero to two in the playoffs against Tom.
Speaker 1: Tom has three championships, Peyton has none. Peyton has never
Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. So even though Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: statistically speaking, was the far superior quarterback with MVPs, he
Speaker 1: had never beaten Tom in a big spot the championships
Speaker 1: three to nothing. Then in two thousand and six, Peyton
Speaker 1: not only wins another I'm sorry, he's already won two
Speaker 1: MVPs at that point, plays Tom in the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: Tom's up I think twenty one to three at halftime.
Speaker 1: Peyton comes all the way back and wins the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: wins it beats Tom. The playoffs are now two to one,
Speaker 1: Peyton wins the Super Bowl, and Bill, I think justifiably,
Speaker 1: is still even though in that moment all pros Peyton
Speaker 1: has multiple tom As zero, MVPs Peyton has multiple tom
Speaker 1: As zero, the playoff win loss record is two to one,
Speaker 1: the rings are three to one. Bill is still strident,
Speaker 1: steadfast correct. Tom's better, seemingly vindicated by the fact that
Speaker 1: the next year Tom finally wins his first MVP, team
Speaker 1: goes undefeated. They look like one of the greatest teams
Speaker 1: ever until as double digit favorites they get beaten the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. In that moment, even though the rings were
Speaker 1: three to one, the MVPs were two to one, the
Speaker 1: all pros were two to one or three to one,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and the playoff win loss record was
Speaker 1: tow to one in Tom's direction in that moment, if
Speaker 1: anyone had debuted the take, Peyton has passed Tom because
Speaker 1: Tom didn't win the Super Bowl last year, Bill's head
Speaker 1: would have exploded. And then, by the way, over the
Speaker 1: next decade, Tom never beat Peyton in the playoffs again.
Speaker 1: There was a brief time in Denver where it looked
Speaker 1: like maybe Peyton had kind of overtaken the argument and
Speaker 1: then Tom went on that unbelievable twenty fourteen through twenty
Speaker 1: twenty run, Desmond himself as the goat. But every single
Speaker 1: football take we have heard for twenty years from Bill
Speaker 1: Simmons has valued playoff performance, doing it in the biggest spots.
Speaker 1: And if you've got the belt, someone's got to come
Speaker 1: take it from you. So when I saw the clip yesterday,
Speaker 1: where the rationale for elevating Josh Allen, who is again
Speaker 1: unlike Peyton Brady, where Peyton had the stats and Brady
Speaker 1: had the wins, Maholmes has moral pros, more MVP, better
Speaker 1: career numbers, five trips to the Super Bowl to zero,
Speaker 1: three rings to zero, and is four and zero in
Speaker 1: the playoffs against him. When I hear the argument that
Speaker 1: Mahomes played so poorly in the Super Bowl, he falls
Speaker 1: down a peg without the obvious follow up being why
Speaker 1: wasn't Josh in the Super Bowl? Bill? Because he couldn't
Speaker 1: beat Patrick again, and that is where and again, I
Speaker 1: think Josh is the second best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: Now that Josh has a league MVP, I'm comfortable calling
Speaker 1: him a future Hall of Famer. I think Josh eventually
Speaker 1: is going to break through. I think Josh's ability last
Speaker 1: year to cut down on the turnovers and still carry
Speaker 1: a team that wasn't all that talented at the skill position,
Speaker 1: certainly on the outside, was wildly impressive. But we have
Speaker 1: to stop acting like these have been unfair fights or
Speaker 1: Josh hasn't had his chance in back to back years
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Once in Josh's building, once in Patrick's building,
Speaker 1: Josh has gotten the ball late fourth quarter, down three
Speaker 1: points the first time. He can only get them to
Speaker 1: not the edge of field goal range, but not a
Speaker 1: gimme field goal forty four yard or if I remember,
Speaker 1: and that would have only gotten them the tie with
Speaker 1: a couple minutes left, has a chance finished the game,
Speaker 1: ball in your hands. Don't let Patrick come back and
Speaker 1: get it. They come away with zero points. Then last year,
Speaker 1: down three Conference championship game, plenty of time, can't get
Speaker 1: to midfield, So do not do you cannot. And this
Speaker 1: is why the quarterback ranking stuff right now can be
Speaker 1: so frustrating for people. Has Patrick played in the regular
Speaker 1: season his best ball the last couple of years? No,
Speaker 1: but who are again? And I've said it before, I
Speaker 1: will say it again. If you want to argue you
Speaker 1: know what, Jalen hurts is the best quarterback in the league.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone actually believes that, except for maybe
Speaker 1: Jalen's lovely mother, who dressed me down a bit the
Speaker 1: night before the Super Bowl. I don't even think Jalen
Speaker 1: believes that. But if you want to argue that, at
Speaker 1: least there is a case you can make. But for
Speaker 1: the other three guys, as I said a moment ago,
Speaker 1: the argument becomes instantly self defeating. Burrows' claim to fame
Speaker 1: is what he did in the first two the first
Speaker 1: postseason and a half of his career, going into Arrowhead,
Speaker 1: beating Patrick, getting to the Super Bowl, then getting back
Speaker 1: to the AFC Championship Game, and then he had a
Speaker 1: pretty miserable second half with a chance to go to
Speaker 1: a second straight Super Bowl, got the ball, tie game,
Speaker 1: go get a field goal, got negative yards, loses, and
Speaker 1: has not been back to the postseason since. There is
Speaker 1: no time in the history of Pro football when there
Speaker 1: have been multiple first ballot Hall of famers active in
Speaker 1: their prime where we would say a guy elevated himself
Speaker 1: to best quarterback in the league in a two year
Speaker 1: stretch where he plays zero playoff games, not eligible Lamar,
Speaker 1: who's in the midst of arguably as good of a
Speaker 1: two year regular season stretch as any player at his
Speaker 1: position ever when that player to varying degrees, and this
Speaker 1: past year was the most positive sign has come up
Speaker 1: against the other two guys who he is in the
Speaker 1: debate with for who's the best, and both games gotten
Speaker 1: outplayed by and lost to in the postseason Patrick two
Speaker 1: years ago and Josh last year. He's not gonna have it.
Speaker 1: And across all of sports except for maybe there were
Speaker 1: some people arguing Jerry West was better than Bill Russell.
Speaker 1: But with respect, as great as the Mahomes Reed Chiefs are,
Speaker 1: they are not the institutionally top to bottom more talented
Speaker 1: team like the Russell Celtics. We have never made an
Speaker 1: argument that win every single year for a half decade,
Speaker 1: one guy beats and out plays another guy in the
Speaker 1: postseason that the other guy's better. It's a again for
Speaker 1: the entirety of Peyton versus Brady. When Peyton was a
Speaker 1: cult that whole decade plus, they only played in the
Speaker 1: postseason three times and it was two to one Tom,
Speaker 1: and it was still framed correctly as if Tom held
Speaker 1: over him in the postseason. Imagine if they played four
Speaker 1: times and it was four to zero. And so again,
Speaker 1: this is what I would ask my pal Bill. If
Speaker 1: Tom had beaten Peyton in six and then gone on
Speaker 1: to lose that Super Bowl and he was up three
Speaker 1: to zero in the playoffs and the ring count was
Speaker 1: three zero and the super Bowl count was four zero,
Speaker 1: and someone made the argument that Peyton Manning was better
Speaker 1: based on Tom playing poorly in this make believe two
Speaker 1: thousand and six super Bowl, what would your reaction have been?
Speaker 1: And the answer is, we know, so can we please
Speaker 1: please have a level of consistency on this, that's all. Honestly,
Speaker 1: that didn't go quite as long as I thought. And
Speaker 1: again I'm not trying to act like I invented the
Speaker 1: pyramid style ranking of quarterbacks. What I will say is,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna really do it, each level has to
Speaker 1: be one player bigger than the previous. You can't go one, two, three, four, five, five,
Speaker 1: five fi five. That's not the idea that that's not
Speaker 1: how a pyramid looks either at the and I mean
Speaker 1: it's just not. I mean, I don't e that's a crayon.
Speaker 1: That's how a crayon looks, not how a pyramid looks.
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Speaker 2: Mike Sandos released his annual quarterback poll. This is voted
Speaker 2: on by execs and gms and coaches, so this is
Speaker 2: the real deal. Year of the survey, Heyserdrive, Mahomes and
Speaker 2: Burrow tied at number one, with Alan Lamar and Stafford
Speaker 2: Brownie at tier one. How did some voters not have
Speaker 2: Alan and Lamar as Tier one?
Speaker 1: Well, guys, so that so here is what's crazier about
Speaker 1: that demonse and this, I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: Last year in this poll coming off the league, MVP
Speaker 1: Lamar was Tier two. Yeah, dude, it is. This is
Speaker 1: the first time in Lamar's career he's been Tier one.
Speaker 1: Last year, Lamar got twenty three Tier one votes, twenty
Speaker 1: six Tier two votes, and one Tier three vote. At
Speaker 1: Tier three votes, it's an outge. That's just an outrage.
Speaker 1: This year he got forty six Tier one votes and
Speaker 1: four Tier two votes. Josh got forty seven Tier one
Speaker 1: votes and three Tier two votes.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 1: I'm not listen, I am not going to Oh, it's
Speaker 1: it's as close to the unanimous as you can be
Speaker 1: without being unanimous. There's clearly Listen, what you saw is
Speaker 1: some of these executives, and you saw it kind of
Speaker 1: throughout the voting on this Really, when they are judging quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: they are almost entirely just removing improvisation and running and
Speaker 1: that's that they are purely asking themselves, and they even
Speaker 1: describe it. A Tier one quarterback can carry his team
Speaker 1: each week. All right, So Josh and Lamar obviously are
Speaker 1: in that category. The team wins because of him, Josh
Speaker 1: and Lamar a in that category. He expertly handles pure
Speaker 1: passing situations. So I think that is where people found
Speaker 1: a way to discount Josh and Lamar, who are obviously
Speaker 1: Tier one quarterbacks. I my response to them would be
Speaker 1: those guys, first of all, they're excellent passers as is now.
Speaker 1: I'm not Jim Harbaugh saying Lamar is the greatest pure
Speaker 1: passer to ever play. I think that's probably a step
Speaker 1: too far. But they are such dynamic runners that even
Speaker 1: in pure passing situations they can make the play with
Speaker 1: their legs. So, like, I just think those are bad opinions,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like say it again, games changing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: games changing, and their ability to they they can just
Speaker 1: beat you in a bunch of different ways. Like it
Speaker 1: is you. You can't if you wanted to argue, as
Speaker 1: I have in the past, there is only one there's
Speaker 1: a there's a tier above Tier one, and that's the
Speaker 1: tier Mahomes lives in. Fine, but if we're saying there's
Speaker 1: just Tier one and those four guys, well, you know what,
Speaker 1: let me back it up, Patrick, Josh and Lamar have
Speaker 1: to be in it. I think Burrow definitively deserves to
Speaker 1: be in it. But if someone wanted to construct a
Speaker 1: case which is kind of the reverse of what we're
Speaker 1: talking about on Burrow, which is, yeah, he handles pure
Speaker 1: passing situations, but unlike the other three guys, right, he
Speaker 1: can't beat you.
Speaker 2: Well, he kind of carries his divise.
Speaker 1: I mean, he carries he carries his team while he's
Speaker 1: on the field, like I don't. I don't is tough,
Speaker 1: but that that's not on him. But he can't. All
Speaker 1: the other guys can beat you with their arm and
Speaker 1: their legs. Burrow can only beat you with his arm,
Speaker 1: but he's so good with his arm, Like listen, he's
Speaker 1: clearly Tier one. And then it gets a little tricky,
Speaker 1: which is and so like listen, I just think those
Speaker 1: three or four voters they didn't have Alan and Lamar's
Speaker 1: tier one, Like, it wouldn't surprise me at all if
Speaker 1: some of them had, Like how many Tier one votes
Speaker 1: did Herbert get? Let me look real quick. Herbert got
Speaker 1: thirteen Tier one votes. So I bet those three or
Speaker 1: four voters that didn't vote Josh and Lamar did vote Herbert.
Speaker 1: And that's just stupid. I mean, that's just flatly dumb.
Speaker 1: All right, Hurts, keep going on.
Speaker 2: That guy. He was square in the middle and the
Speaker 2: Tier two with twelve voters given him a Tier three vote.
Speaker 2: So as the Hurts debate put to rest.
Speaker 1: Well, so Hurts got three Tier one, thirty five, Tier two,
Speaker 1: and twelve Tier three and he so in Let's just
Speaker 1: give it some context here.
Speaker 2: Right after we said, we said Lamar got three after
Speaker 2: he won MVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, after the Super Bowl year that they lost
Speaker 1: when he came in second MVP voting. Okay, so that
Speaker 1: was when he came in second MVP voting to Mahomes.
Speaker 1: That year, he got ten Tier one, thirty eight Tier two,
Speaker 1: and two Tier three. Last year, after the Supernatural Funk
Speaker 1: year and the collapse at the end of the year,
Speaker 1: he got one Tier one, thirty three Tier two, and
Speaker 1: sixteen Tier three. This year he got two more Tier
Speaker 1: ones up to three, two more Tier twos, up to
Speaker 1: thirty five, and down to twelve Tier threes, down from sixteen.
Speaker 1: I think having Jalen Hurts listed as a Tier three
Speaker 1: quarterback is stupid. I want to make that clear. I
Speaker 1: think that now the description of Tier two. If you care,
Speaker 1: a Tier two quarterback can carry his team sometimes, but
Speaker 1: not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses,
Speaker 1: and or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to
Speaker 1: elevate him above tier three. He has a whole or
Speaker 1: two in his game. I think that's a perfect description
Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts. I think the actual description of can
Speaker 1: carry his team, but not as consistently, can handle pure
Speaker 1: passing situations in doses, and possesses other dimensions that are
Speaker 1: special enough to elevate him above tier three, has a
Speaker 1: whole or two in his game. That to me, is
Speaker 1: a perfect description. The hole is he has never proven
Speaker 1: he can be a high volume passer that leads to
Speaker 1: team and individual success. But everything else he does at
Speaker 1: a super high level. And whatever demeriage you give him
Speaker 1: on pure passing situations, the absolute cheat code of the
Speaker 1: tush push that you know is unique to him. It
Speaker 1: would appear when I say, cheak got that in a
Speaker 1: complimentary way.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, like that would be a cat like
Speaker 2: that would that would elevate him.
Speaker 1: That's elevates him.
Speaker 2: Okay, what I'm saying, I was curious if.
Speaker 1: You no, if you're gonna knock him for there's a
Speaker 1: point Wilde's made yesterday, and he's right. If we're gonna
Speaker 1: knock him for in third and nine, would you rather
Speaker 1: have Matt Stafford then we have to give him more
Speaker 1: for the fact that it's fourth and one. You'd rather
Speaker 1: have him than any player in the league, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2: But is that is that him or is that the
Speaker 2: team combo?
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think the fact that he is
Speaker 1: so strong and so tough and has mastered it, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I saw Tanner McKee try
Speaker 1: to do it in the preseason. It was ugly. We've
Speaker 1: seen other teams, you know what I mean. So I
Speaker 1: think it's you know, I think it's not all him,
Speaker 1: but it's part of him, part of the team. But
Speaker 1: with all that said, I the guys above him, I
Speaker 1: can like Matt Stafford's number five on this list. I
Speaker 1: love Stafford. Now. Is if Stafford's number five with an
Speaker 1: asterisk because we're saying if he you know, if he's healthy,
Speaker 1: that's totally fair. And if you want to say you're
Speaker 1: gonna knock him because you know, Jalen gets hurt and
Speaker 1: just you know, plays through, it's Stafford. Now, Stafford's played
Speaker 1: through a bunch of stuff. But we are worried at
Speaker 1: this point with his age of him missing time, so
Speaker 1: be it. But I would rather have a healthy Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford than a healthy Jalen Hurts. So I think Stafford
Speaker 1: being ahead of him is fine. Jaden is tricky because
Speaker 1: Jaden the sample size is just such good another year, right,
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like Jaden is it
Speaker 1: was the greatest rookie season ever, but the sample size
Speaker 1: is so small, and it feels like Jalen is a
Speaker 1: safer bet. But Jaden has you know, Jayden has a
Speaker 1: better chance of one day being number one on this
Speaker 1: list than Jalen. Right, Herbert we've talked about. I think
Speaker 1: having Herbert above Hurtz is an outrage. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think that is just purely based on an idea
Speaker 1: I would not have. And then barely ahead of him
Speaker 1: is Jared Goff. I would rather have Jalen Hurts than
Speaker 1: Jared Goff because I think they are very similar in
Speaker 1: that under the right circumstances can be very dynamic and
Speaker 1: a huge part of winning. But I think Jalen could
Speaker 1: thrive in more circumstances than Golf. So I think Jalen's
Speaker 1: toughness and running would translate better to a bad team
Speaker 1: than Jared. So I think Jared on a bad team
Speaker 1: plummet wild exactly and so and so I understand the
Speaker 1: So if I were doing it, if it were mine,
Speaker 1: and I know, I know that this is one where
Speaker 1: I've probably kind of over the last six months flip
Speaker 1: flopped a bit because at one point I said that
Speaker 1: you can't like it's Mahomes Alan Lamar, and then if
Speaker 1: you're gonna say it's a big four with Burrow, it's
Speaker 1: got to be a big five with Jalen. But even
Speaker 1: when I was saying that, deep down, I was like,
Speaker 1: but I think Stafford's better. So if I were to
Speaker 1: just do the nick right rankings, pure just me who
Speaker 1: I would like for this season, assuming health, Patrick, Josh Lamar,
Speaker 1: Joe Stafford. I want to make sure I'm not leaving
Speaker 1: anybody out, and then I would put in Jailing. I
Speaker 1: would put in jail In at six, Jalen six, Jaden seven,
Speaker 1: Baker eight, and then it gets and then it gets
Speaker 1: and then after that we could have a debate about
Speaker 1: Herbert versus golf. But that's where I would you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, That's where I would have it, and
Speaker 1: then after them, we have a debate about CJ versus
Speaker 1: Love versus Dak and then obviously I'm gonna start elevating
Speaker 1: my guys Caleb and Trevor, but they gotta prove the
Speaker 1: and so that's where that's where I would rank them,
Speaker 1: and I I think that is so I didn't think
Speaker 1: any of these were crazy out of line. The all right,
Speaker 1: let's go to Rogers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, do you want to
Speaker 2: talk about Rogers going from tier one to tier three?
Speaker 1: So I was shot that Rogers was tier one. Oh
Speaker 1: so he so this has been wait what okay, So
Speaker 1: this is what's interesting. So here is Rogers over the years.
Speaker 1: So Rogers going into his final in Green Bay unanimous
Speaker 1: Tier one, obvious. I think he was the back to
Speaker 1: back defending League MVP, unanimous Tier one. Rogers going into
Speaker 1: his first year with the Jets thirty Tier one, twenty
Speaker 1: tier two. That again, to me was fair. I would
Speaker 1: have put in tier two because I thought his last
Speaker 1: year in Green Bay, you saw the writing on the wall,
Speaker 1: and you saw it in evidence by his stats. You know,
Speaker 1: the team's success, a lot of that stuff, but he
Speaker 1: was still just a year removed from being a two
Speaker 1: time MVP going into last year with the Jets. This
Speaker 1: was a very interesting looking back on it. Voting going
Speaker 1: Demonse going into last year again where he was coming
Speaker 1: off the blown Achilles, he got twenty three Tier one votes.
Speaker 2: It's like, all, poor guy toar his Achilles and he's
Speaker 2: gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: Right, He's gonna come back with a vengines, eighteen Tier
Speaker 1: two votes, seven Tier three votes, and two Tier four votes.
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask Sando, and I could probably go
Speaker 1: back and read the article. I'm not gonna do it
Speaker 1: right now live on the air. Was he the first
Speaker 1: player ever to get multiple votes in four different tiers?
Speaker 1: To get you know, multiple Tier one and Tier four votes?
Speaker 1: So last year going into last year, I so he
Speaker 1: ended up averaging out. That was interesting. Last year he
Speaker 1: got more votes for Tier one than any other tier,
Speaker 1: but he averaged out to a Tier two player quarterback.
Speaker 1: And this year so weird.
Speaker 2: Now the guy that gave him a tier he got
Speaker 2: one Tier one vote this year too, by the way.
Speaker 1: Oh I clicked the wrong thing. Okay, not so weird.
Speaker 1: So this year he got one Tier one vote. That
Speaker 1: guy's out of his mind. Yeah, I mean that's just idiotic.
Speaker 1: He got sixteen Tier two votes. I can't call that idiotic,
Speaker 1: but I disagree. Twenty seven Tier three votes, just where
Speaker 1: I would have him, and then four Tier six or sorry,
Speaker 1: six Tier four votes, which is folks that think that
Speaker 1: he's just finished, right, but where he is as far
Speaker 1: as in the hierarchy. So Tier three quarterbacks are in order, Kyler,
Speaker 1: Aaron Tua, Trevor, Gino Nicks, Darnald May, Caleb, Bryce Kirk.
Speaker 1: Those are the Tier three for me personally, the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: I would rather have than Aaron, every single one of
Speaker 1: the guys Tier one and two, so that's fourteen, and
Speaker 1: then I would rather have this year Gino, Drake, Caleb,
Speaker 1: Trevor Tua, and that's probably it, not Bo Nicks, not Kyler,
Speaker 1: and not Darnald or Bryce or Kirk. So I would
Speaker 1: have him closer to the middle of Tier three. Go ahead.
Speaker 2: Apparently Rogers was actually number two and Tier two number
Speaker 2: seven overall. Yeah last year, Oh okay, okay, that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah last year, so he he that's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: Last year. He last year, he got more votes, he
Speaker 1: got more Tier one votes than any other tier but
Speaker 1: because he also got like a four votes. He he
Speaker 1: got you know, ding down and dropped to tier two.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I would have him close to twenty.
Speaker 1: They have him fifteen. The Kyler one's interesting because I
Speaker 1: think having Kyler at the almost a tier two guy
Speaker 1: and ahead of all those other guys, the young players
Speaker 1: that you know you expect to pop, ahead of Gino,
Speaker 1: ahead of Rogers, I think it is interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I just don't.
Speaker 2: He's like low tier three.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me is but maybe I'm low on him,
Speaker 1: but I I just you give him credit because last
Speaker 1: year he was able for the first time in four
Speaker 1: years to play all seventeen. But I just feel like
Speaker 1: at this point we kind of know what we're getting
Speaker 1: from Kyler, and he's a player that.
Speaker 2: Once you don't like him he's too small.
Speaker 1: Well, there is that, but it's also true that once
Speaker 1: you start seeing Thanksgiving decorations up at the stores, you
Speaker 1: know he's not going to be playing well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just who he's been for his career. He's good
Speaker 1: for about the first half of the season, and that
Speaker 1: to me is like, I don't know why that would change,
Speaker 1: like the and so I think that I'm not as
Speaker 1: high on Kyler. I respect the talent, but I care
Speaker 1: You're right about this demonte. I care about raw talent
Speaker 1: way less with very small players. I just do.
Speaker 2: I mean that was like the best high school football player,
Speaker 2: like ever a football quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yea, the best? Yeah, I mean, no, he's the best.
Speaker 1: And he was a hell of a college player as well,
Speaker 1: and he's had moments in the pros. And maybe it
Speaker 1: was as simple as high school and college seasons or
Speaker 1: twelve games long. You know what, mark this down. If
Speaker 1: we ever have another strike shortened NFL year, I might
Speaker 1: bet on Kyler. They come back and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's only a ten game season plus the playoffs this year.
Speaker 1: I might be a Kyler guy that year since but
Speaker 1: that is, but for the time being, I would have
Speaker 1: him low tier three.
Speaker 2: Do you want to get to that last one or
Speaker 2: I want to just the Oh yeah, what are some
Speaker 2: quarterbacks you see in going up a tier this year?
Speaker 2: And who are some quarterbacks you see going down a tier?
Speaker 1: All right, so let me look at the full list again.
Speaker 4: I've opened this thing up so many times that now
Speaker 4: I've got I've got two tabs. I do this sometimes,
Speaker 4: all right, So let me the so let me maximize
Speaker 4: this so.
Speaker 1: I can look at this better. I think that going
Speaker 1: up a tier so gosh, this is a tough one.
Speaker 1: I think that Caleb will be Tier two going into
Speaker 1: next year. I think that Right will be off the
Speaker 1: list because I think he'll be done. I think that
Speaker 1: Perty will probably be Tier three. He's hanging on for
Speaker 1: deer life in Tier two right now. And I don't
Speaker 1: think the Niners are going to be excellent this year.
Speaker 1: And I think that who do I think could jump
Speaker 1: into Tier one? You know what I'm gonna I might
Speaker 1: go all in on this team this year. Bake Show.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I think the I think the the Bucks
Speaker 5: could have a monster offensive season and that I think
Speaker 5: potentially could elevate Baker and especially if if Stafford is dinged.
Speaker 1: You know, if Stafford. I think Stafford was very weird
Speaker 1: for Stafford who had been Tier two demons for eleven
Speaker 1: straight years and then this is the year he gets
Speaker 1: elevated when he wasn't great last year's regular season. It
Speaker 1: was awesome in their two platforms, but wasn't great in
Speaker 1: last year regularly.
Speaker 2: Jordan Love I love to tier I mean, but two
Speaker 2: to one to two.
Speaker 1: To one's hard, you know what I mean, Like, that's
Speaker 1: the I am curious, Like, let me ask you this
Speaker 1: and the answer might be none of the above, But no,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna allow that. You have to say a
Speaker 1: name of the four guys who were all either unanimous
Speaker 1: or close to it Tier one, Patrick, Joe, Josh Lamar.
Speaker 1: Who do you think is that most risk, most risk
Speaker 1: to move down?
Speaker 2: I think it'd be Joe Burrow, just because if they
Speaker 2: don't make the postseason again this year, then so what
Speaker 2: are you, like, what are we gonna say at this point?
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's the defense again that.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I think it's for a different reason.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that could move Joe down
Speaker 1: is if he gets hurt again. And I think given
Speaker 1: their offensive line and given his history, I think he's
Speaker 1: the most obviously, of the big four, he's the most
Speaker 1: likely to miss. Yeah, yeah, you know, and so I
Speaker 1: that would be my answer. All right, let's talk shudor Tador.
Speaker 2: He looked pretty good. I mean, he look fantastic, but
Speaker 2: he looked pretty good for a quarterback. Went there and
Speaker 2: did his thing. Head coach Steven Kevin Stefanski still hasn't
Speaker 2: committed to Shador, So, uh, do you think that he
Speaker 2: showed everything he needed to do to get the starting job?
Speaker 1: What do you well? He's definitely not going to be
Speaker 1: their Week one starter. That is gonna be Joe Flacco.
Speaker 1: I don't even think. By the way, if I were Shador,
Speaker 1: I know he can't say this, I wouldn't even want
Speaker 1: to be the Week one starter. Like I the the
Speaker 1: Browns open with the Ravens and then they play I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: the Brown's open with the Bengals, so I wouldn't actually
Speaker 1: hate that because of the Bengals defense, But then they
Speaker 1: go Ravens, Packers, Lions, Viking Steelers, Like those are not defenses.
Speaker 1: I'm interested in playing it right off, exactly right. And
Speaker 1: I understand that the Browns just released their latest depth
Speaker 1: chart and Shador is still number four. They did not
Speaker 1: move him up at all. I don't believe it. I
Speaker 1: think that Shadoor has now, if we are being fair,
Speaker 1: he has taken it is now Dylan Gabriel who is
Speaker 1: chasing Shador in the quarterback competition instead of vice versa.
Speaker 1: Like the the you know the old adage you don't
Speaker 1: lose your job due to end is total bs happens
Speaker 1: in sports all the time. People lose their job because
Speaker 1: of injury and because the guy who fills in for
Speaker 1: you shows something he didn't have the opportunity to show before,
Speaker 1: and so FLA. If Flacco is just entrenched at one,
Speaker 1: which I think he is, Kenny Pickett was two and
Speaker 1: is two on the late step chart. He's been hurt
Speaker 1: the last couple weeks of camp. Doesn't look like he's
Speaker 1: gonna play at all, and there he didn't play in
Speaker 1: their first preseason game. Doesn't look like he's going to
Speaker 1: playing their second. Dylan Gabriel is three. Gabriel, according to
Speaker 1: all reports on the ground, has been bad in practice
Speaker 1: and was injured for the first preseason game. Shadores four.
Speaker 1: He's practiced well and I thought made four very high
Speaker 1: level throws in that game and really only made a
Speaker 1: couple bad mistakes.
Speaker 5: And.
Speaker 1: So I think that is enough to where he should
Speaker 1: have taken the lead on Gabriel, and the goal for
Speaker 1: either of these rookies flatly needed to be beat out
Speaker 1: the other rookie. So when at when Flacco inevitably gets benched,
Speaker 1: I'm the guy they go to. Now, maybe they'll go
Speaker 1: to pick it, but I think that would be asinine,
Speaker 1: and so now I also think this Demanse. I think
Speaker 1: Gabriel will and should start preseason game number two, and
Speaker 1: then you know he can if he plays well.
Speaker 2: And just get both of them half.
Speaker 1: I think that's what we'll do. I could even see
Speaker 1: him go, Demanse, quarter quarter, quarter quarter, you know what
Speaker 1: they're thereabouts, like, I could see Gabriel playing then should,
Speaker 1: or then Gabriel back in then should or that way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You get more time with
Speaker 1: starting caliber players, or you know, guys that are actually
Speaker 1: gonna make the team, or they each get it. But
Speaker 1: I now think Gabriel, I think Shador is now amongst
Speaker 1: the rookies in pole position. And I also think that,
Speaker 1: and this is why so I thought after the game
Speaker 1: him saying something to Tony Grosey was totally fine. And
Speaker 1: I think people don't recognize how common that is that
Speaker 1: guys sang after games in locker rooms are in the
Speaker 1: tunnel to reporters like, hey, what was up with that?
Speaker 1: That has happened forever? That used to happen to me.
Speaker 1: I remember Matt Cassel saying to a different media member,
Speaker 1: we're both standing there when he realized that media member.
Speaker 1: You know what, I think it was to Mark Carmon,
Speaker 1: our friend whose birthday was actually yesterday. I think it
Speaker 1: was to karm that he said to him, this is
Speaker 1: your buddy about me. He's like, yeah, He's like, he
Speaker 1: sure talks a lot of shit, doesn't He like did
Speaker 1: not like some of the things I had said about him.
Speaker 1: That's super common. So I have no problem at all
Speaker 1: with Shador having that moment with Tony Grossi.
Speaker 2: At this time, though, what you need to be worried about.
Speaker 1: So here is the thing on that. I think the
Speaker 1: smile and the laugh at the end made it okay.
Speaker 1: And I think that like charisma and charm and a
Speaker 1: great smile can really carry Yeah, and so like that
Speaker 1: to me was fine. I thought the walk in was
Speaker 1: a misstep. I didn't think it was a grievous error,
Speaker 1: but I thought, I'm not asking you to be someone
Speaker 1: you're not. But turned down the volume on literally on
Speaker 1: the boombox, I guess and also figuratively. Now I understand
Speaker 1: those were his teammates, not his entourage, but still, you're
Speaker 1: the quarterback, the guy carrying the giant walking stick staff
Speaker 1: in the boombox. I might have been like, can we
Speaker 1: not do that? And if you really want to walk
Speaker 1: in like that, maybe I'll go in, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit after you, because it's he is. If the
Speaker 1: Browns won't elevate him on their real depth chart, then
Speaker 1: he also wants another team to trade for, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I just don't think that helps. But I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a huge deal. You'd certainly rather him
Speaker 1: play well and have an awkward pre and postgame, then
Speaker 1: be perfect pre and post game and play port right,
Speaker 1: go ahead?
Speaker 2: No, I mean with that take, you were saying that
Speaker 2: maybe he should show out for the Rams or maybe
Speaker 2: the Rams look at him, because words like a mortal
Speaker 2: chamber are being thrown around. Ye very serious. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know. So, uh do you think that's more of
Speaker 2: a possibility now, like it's more serious.
Speaker 1: I think that right now he's probably worth He was
Speaker 1: drafted with a fifth. I think he's worth at least
Speaker 1: a fourth, you know what I mean? And so, but
Speaker 1: I don't I think the Browns want to keep him.
Speaker 1: I think Stefanski might be coming around if he wasn't
Speaker 1: already there. And I think you had to be impressed
Speaker 1: by how he handled himself. And how he played Uh
Speaker 1: this Sunday? Was it Sunday? Saturday? Friday?
Speaker 2: It was Friday Friday.
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Speaker 1: to Caleb. We talked enough Chiefs earlier, so we can
Speaker 1: move on to Caleb if we can.
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams did not play it down in the preseason game,
Speaker 2: and Ben Johnson is not worried about that at all.
Speaker 2: He said and quote, there is no substitute for real
Speaker 2: live bullets. I get that. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: when you can accumulate seventy plus reps in a day,
Speaker 2: that's pretty good. If live action is the best option here,
Speaker 2: then why why.
Speaker 1: Not plays guys? So listen, I I think, and I've
Speaker 1: said this on TV a dozen times, so I will,
Speaker 1: you know, repeat myself here. I think in certain sometimes
Speaker 1: you hear like, you know, to copycat league, certain things
Speaker 1: should be copied. The way Andy Reid handles training camp
Speaker 1: and preseason should be copied. The Chiefs every year are
Speaker 1: sharper to start the year than most of the rest
Speaker 1: of the league. Andy runs a tough training camp, they hit,
Speaker 1: they have long practices, and Patrick plays in the preseason
Speaker 1: and the starters play and they're ready to go. So
Speaker 1: I would copy that, all right a lot. You know,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, who I you know, I think is the
Speaker 1: second best coach in football, does the exact op and
Speaker 1: has for years, puts guys on ice and you know
Speaker 1: that's that. So there's obviously not a perfect way to
Speaker 1: do it. I would copy andies. With that said, everyone
Speaker 1: is making this a Caleb story. Ben Johnson did not play.
Speaker 1: They have four they left tackles not determined yet for
Speaker 1: the Bears starting left tackle, so they played everybody who's
Speaker 1: competing for that. There are other offensive line spots left guard, center,
Speaker 1: right guard, right tackle. We know who the starters are.
Speaker 1: Those guys played zero snaps. They're starting running back played
Speaker 1: zero snaps. They're starting tight end played zero snaps, and
Speaker 1: their three top receivers played zero snaps. If you are
Speaker 1: deciding institutionally the starters aren't playing, then you obviously can't
Speaker 1: throw Kaleb out there. Now, I canna throw Kaleb out
Speaker 1: there behind your second and third string offensive line and
Speaker 1: be like, all right, figure it out, buddy, now. Uh
Speaker 1: Like Drake may played, he played through five passes. I
Speaker 1: do think when you do it this way, it means
Speaker 1: preseason game two Caleb should play a fair amount. And
Speaker 1: do I think that they are hiding Caleb.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Do I think that Ben wants nothing but positive vibes
Speaker 1: headed into the season, and after using the training camp
Speaker 1: to kind of break guys down a bit, he wants
Speaker 1: a little more time to build them back up before
Speaker 1: we Before people see them. I do think that. But
Speaker 1: do I think that there was that this decision was
Speaker 1: based on how Caleb has played thus far this training camp.
Speaker 1: I do not, And so I think that he had
Speaker 1: made his decision on how he's going to play his
Speaker 1: guys this training this preseason, and he's trying to stick
Speaker 1: to it. Now we'll see how well that works. But
Speaker 1: I I you know, Colin had a great take on this,
Speaker 1: even though I disagreed with it, which is, let me
Speaker 1: read you the exact caption of it, because I thought
Speaker 1: it was so funny. Hold on, and then there's a
Speaker 1: good shams little sham's note that I'm going to read
Speaker 1: you guys in a second as well. So here's what
Speaker 1: Colin said, uh yesterday about Caleb. Uh gosh, don it
Speaker 1: sorry here. Oh, when tech companies delay the release, it's
Speaker 1: usually because you're still in the beta stage. Colin's way
Speaker 1: of saying he's not ready for the bright lights, I
Speaker 1: think that is probably too harsh, and I think that,
Speaker 1: But I do think that the first month of the
Speaker 1: season could be a little rocky. I do like the
Speaker 1: regular season. I don't think he's gonna come off, you know,
Speaker 1: flying out of the gate. Maybe he will, but I
Speaker 1: think that I believe in Caleb's talent, and I think
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's very sharp offensive mind, and I think the
Speaker 1: Bears patched their holes on the offensive line. So I
Speaker 1: think they'll be fine, but I uh.
Speaker 2: Not doing their best to make it the most fine
Speaker 2: he could possibly be.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the season. I mean again,
Speaker 1: he obviously wants them to be as good as possible,
Speaker 1: as early as possible. Maybe he's wrong, but he thinks
Speaker 1: that this is the right path. We'll see. So Scham's
Speaker 1: just tweeted. Wick Grousbeck will no longer stay on as
Speaker 1: governor of the Celtics as part of the celtics six
Speaker 1: point one billion dollar sale to Bill Chisholm. Playing had
Speaker 1: been for Grousbeck to remain through twenty twenty eight. Chisholm
Speaker 1: assumes governor title and the transfer will be finalized soon. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is Cuban sells the team and he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna run it though, and he's out immediately. Grousbeck sells
Speaker 1: the team and it's like, no, but I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: it for the next couple of years, and he's out immediately.
Speaker 1: Jeanie Buss sold the team, and everyone's like, oh, but
Speaker 1: she's gonna stay in charge for five years, We'll see
Speaker 1: people tend not again. I am not over under two
Speaker 1: business psychologist, and I don't run in billionaire circles. But
Speaker 1: in my limited experience, people don't spend ten eleven figures
Speaker 1: on something to not be in charge of it. It's
Speaker 1: just not People don't buy a sixty dollars video game
Speaker 1: to not play it. They don't buy a six billion
Speaker 1: dollar basketball team to let someone else make the decisions.
Speaker 1: And so I was skeptical when I saw Cubans say
Speaker 1: it years ago. I was even more skeptical when I
Speaker 1: saw what Grusbecs say it. And I am extra skeptical
Speaker 1: about Genie Buss running the Lakers for five years after all.
Speaker 2: Of this for under two though two years.
Speaker 1: Oh Demonse, wait, look at this throw it on the screen.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Packers quarter Jordan Love is undergoing a procedure on a
Speaker 1: ligament issue with his left thumb. A left thumb suffered
Speaker 1: the injury in Green Bay's preseason opener. The team is
Speaker 1: hoping Love can return to practice next week, and the
Speaker 1: Packers are expecting to be ready for the regular season opener.
Speaker 1: Left thumb is not as much of a concern, right,
Speaker 1: A surgery on the right thumb would be highly concerning.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, As I've said before, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't trust insider injury reports. Every every surgery's out
Speaker 1: of schedule. Every body avoided disaster, Everyone's gonna be ready
Speaker 1: week one. I just I have a hard time digesting it.
Speaker 1: Anybody seen Najieris. I saw a picture of Najiras. Looks
Speaker 1: like he can't open an eye, and so I I
Speaker 1: just know for real that picture of Najieras was scary looking,
Speaker 1: looked like he really hurt his eye with the fireworks,
Speaker 1: and so I just I hope he's fine because last
Speaker 1: year got a little derailed. Is too strong. Last year
Speaker 1: got off to uh, he didn't have the year a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was gonna have, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought that was because he suffered that
Speaker 1: injury early on. All right, Demanta, let's go to the
Speaker 1: listener questions.
Speaker 2: T asked, where do you think Alan Lamar rank all
Speaker 2: time right this moment? Just his quarterback talents, I'd say
Speaker 2: both top fifteen side question, are the smelling salts going
Speaker 2: to ruin? Your life.
Speaker 1: Smelling salts are not going to ruin my life. But
Speaker 1: you know, strong recommend if people haven't tried him yet,
Speaker 1: especially if you're like maybe trying to kick caffeine or
Speaker 1: something like. I haven't read into the potential downsides of
Speaker 1: huff and pneumonia occasionally, but it sure woke me up.
Speaker 1: Where do Lamar and Allen and ranked just as quarterback talents?
Speaker 1: What an interesting question? Top fifteen sounds right like if
Speaker 1: I were ranking just quarter just raw talent.
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Ever, that's what Yeah, that's what they're saying, saying all time.
Speaker 1: Mahomes Rogers are to me the top two.
Speaker 2: Lamar's got to be like top ten at least any
Speaker 2: same thing. But I feel like both those guys, those
Speaker 2: are electric dudes as far as this talent like that,
Speaker 2: maybe not one.
Speaker 1: Those are, Yeah, so I think safely so raw talent
Speaker 1: Mahomes Rogers, Farv has to be up there. Manning has
Speaker 1: to be up there. Uh. It's a compliment to Brady
Speaker 1: that we're not even like saying him with all of
Speaker 1: his success, because you know, he maximized everything about his
Speaker 1: physical ability. Marino's got to be up there. I always
Speaker 1: have had a soft spot for Steve Young. John Elway's
Speaker 1: up there, and now we can start talking Lamar and Josh,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so, yeah, the in
Speaker 1: that bottom part of the top tens firmly in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen. I think that's right. All right, let's go
Speaker 1: to Ethan.
Speaker 2: Ethan asked, as a poker expert who understands the principle
Speaker 2: of the plus ev. I'm curious if you take the
Speaker 2: same approach into sports gambling, or if you trust your
Speaker 2: own personal bias over sharp books.
Speaker 1: I don't look at I don't look at sports betting
Speaker 1: the way I look at poker. Just for the record,
Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't, while I do try every
Speaker 1: year to give out winners and and to you know,
Speaker 1: make you guys money. I I am.
Speaker 2: A little bit more conservative with poker.
Speaker 1: No, I don't know a bit you No, I just
Speaker 1: look at it like poker. I am trying to make
Speaker 1: the best decision at every point. Sports I have a
Speaker 1: very hard time betting against my takes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I won't always bet on my takes, but
Speaker 1: like I it's why I'll I'll never even if I'm
Speaker 1: getting points bet against the chiefs. You know, what I mean,
Speaker 1: so like, there are just certain things that so that's
Speaker 1: but I also I and I this is how I
Speaker 1: would recommend it for other people look at sports betting
Speaker 1: as a recreational endeavor, not like, hey, this is how
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make extra money. Poker's different in that regard
Speaker 1: for me. All Right, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: Michael asked, is Jackson better than Prime Vig?
Speaker 1: Yes? Love Mike, but yes, Lamar is a far already
Speaker 1: a far better passer than Mike ever was just you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, He just is. And I love Mike,
Speaker 1: but that's I think Mike would tell.
Speaker 2: You that next Indy, Nick, do you think that everyone
Speaker 2: is just so skewed by fantasy football? Josh Lamar have
Speaker 2: been excellent fantasy quarterbacks, so people assume that they are
Speaker 2: the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that absolutely is something to do with it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely think that the crazy fantasy numbers impact this.
Speaker 2: M Noah, Yeah, no, no ass When is the Future
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