WEBVTT - Shedeur Sanders STELLAR Browns debut, QB rankings REACTION, DEFENDING Caleb Williams 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:04.880 Welcome in What Driving Nick Right? Episode three point fifty seven. 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:06.800 In this episode of What's Right with Nick Right is 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.119 brought to you by boost Mobile, and our friends of 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.559 Boostmobile don't screw around. They saw Dexter, my dog the 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:15.280 last couple podcasts, hopping up on the couch and obscuring 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:18.440 the boost Mobile pillow. And now we have this fancy 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.840 thing that looks like a light, Demonse that's actually an 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:26.239 electrified fence. Dexter hops up there. He's zapped. Yeah for real. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:28.840 Like they're like, no, we made good money to be 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.880 the title sponsor of What's Right with Nick Wright. 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So all that's going on, and I'm fired 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:19.840 up today. I'm fired up today because how do I 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:27.360 say this respectfully? People are either dumb or lying, or 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.920 just think that we don't have access to their previous 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:37.640 takes and or just you know what I mean, maybe 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.160 maybe the most the biggest indictment, I could say, just 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:45.600 trolling for views or clicks or content. I don't know 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.200 what it is, but I do know that I'm just 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.080 letting you guys know. Right now, we have eight topics 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:56.600 listed for today's show. Topics two through eight are going 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.480 might be bite sized because topic one could take a while. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.440 But before we get to that, straight to voicemail again. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.320 Brought to you by our friends at boost Mobile Cam 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.200 little seventy yard field goal. Two takes on this demands 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.880 A one that is now the record. I don't care. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.880 There's the preseason. That's the record that should be in 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.519 the record books. And two I just up to the 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.360 Jags to eleven wins. I had him at ten, I 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.560 now got him at eleven. If you get to midfield 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.639 and you're in field, goal range. I mean, what do 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:37.800 you what a weapon? I listen, your guy, Chet, I 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.280 say this with respect. It's just he's got it. He's 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:45.079 got to grow up, like go ahead. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.720 It was a little outlandish. But why is every guy 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.320 that's doing something like bad or not great? Why is 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:52.320 it always my guy? 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:58.960 I feel like you, I feel it's what I feel like. Well, 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.640 here's the thing, do you or do you not? Feel like? 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.840 I have been too skeptical of Chet because I don't 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.640 like how skinny is. Were you or were you not 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.800 more pro Chet than me? So on this show between 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.760 the two of us, he's your guy. He's certainly my guy. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:17.960 Anti Chet, Yeah. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.239 Well I'm not anti Chet either, but I'm getting there. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:25.160 And also the Wilds was a big check guy. And 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.160 then and then Wild's read an interview with Chet where 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.640 they asked him about his favorite books and his answer 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.880 was just all coffee table books with a bunch of pictures. 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.280 He was like, it was like, I've got this book 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.760 on Rolexes, which is just the pictures of Rolexes. And 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.400 Wilds came to the conclusion that Chet maybe has never 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.280 read a book, and so he soured on him a bit. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.200 And now he's dressed like a seventies pimp and his 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:53.640 buddy's wedding not great and Ceedee lamb, this is like 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.240 funny because he's fine. Ceedee. Liam could have got legit 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.280 hurt there. Yeah, like that little that whiplash thing back 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.720 when all the way up. Yeah, that was a scary. 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:04.520 That was a scary moment. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.720 All right, I'm about that ref man, wait room. 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.720 I know the reps running full speed, probably running full 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:16.120 Steed runs into him. Yeah, and CD, you know, is 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.680 limber enough. So I thought the ref was fine. I 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:22.640 was worried about CD. Reminder to everyone, please like, rate, subscribe, review, 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:25.520 In fact, do it right now. If you're watching on YouTube, 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.720 click the like button. If you're listening to the podcast 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.839 and you're not subscribed, subscribe. And if you are subscribed, 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.039 it takes two seconds. Click a little five stars. You 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:36.080 don't have to leave a word review, just give it 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:39.760 five stars. That's all YouTube, iTunes, Spotify, all that, all right, 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:43.920 demanse It says, the first topic is asenine quarterback rankings. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.719 Go ahead. Yeah, So a couple of. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.000 QB polls came out quarterback rankings, whatever you want to 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:52.720 call him. So Bill Simmons debuted his quarterback pyramid, and 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.520 he had Josh Allen at the top. Dan Orlowsky came 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:58.919 out with a bunch of traits that quarterback should have 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:01.960 about six, that Patrick mahomes number one, and about the 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.120 same amount of categories as Daniel Jones. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:05.719 So which one? Yeah? 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:06.040 Yeah? 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:06.440 Zero? 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.320 So which one of these is enraging you more? Which 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:10.039 one do you want to ask? 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.440 Oh, it's definitely Simmons's and we're gonna deep dive on 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:17.599 it because it is not lost on me that my 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.919 pal and I like Bill. Bill and I have a 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.279 good relationship. But it is not lost to me that 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:30.720 Bill Simmons kind of kicks off his full NFL coverage 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:37.520 with a podcast that debuts a quarterback pyramid and whose 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:43.000 main guest is Kevin Wilds. I'm not saying that Bill 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:47.080 that this was a direct shot at me, and you know, 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.120 trying to pull apart first things first, But I'm not 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.239 saying it wasn't. So I'll get to Bill in a second. 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.880 But on Orlofsky's thing, listen, I'm not gonna I'm not 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:02.440 gonna argue with Dann obviously knows the quarterback position better 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.800 than me. I what I am gonna say is this 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:11.360 arm strength he has Josh Allen one, Patrick two, no problem. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.640 I actually agree with that, and I actually think you 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:20.719 could be tricky with that one. There might be you 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.480 might be able to say Herbert could be ahead of 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:27.480 Patrick Hell. I don't know if Joe Milton's availed eligible, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.880 like he could be like that just the raw arm 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:35.000 strength Josh Allen one is totally fine, no beef whatsoever. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:43.360 Then it gets dumb ball placement. Patrick Mahomes five behind 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:51.200 Joe Burrow again fine, Jaden, Lamar and Josh. You know, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.520 I think that's a good take. I think a lot 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:59.159 of people watch Lamar, Josh and Jaden and they're like 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.960 they can just put it where they want better than 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:02.920 Patrick Mahomes. 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.440 I was just thinking, like, how much of Burrow's is 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.560 the fact that he has those Crazyr receivers. They're just gonna. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:14.400 Well, No, I think Burrow is like dumb accurate because 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.600 he has to be because he's not very fast and 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.280 he doesn't have the strongest arm. So the way he 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.800 can be as successful as he is is like I 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:28.600 think Burrow would maybe win the contest of that net 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.440 drill that Caleb failed the other day if they did that, 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.600 but like made it harder and harder and harder. I 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.080 think Burrow might be my number one pick, but call 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:41.360 me crazy in that drill, I wouldn't take Lamar over Patrick. Again, 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.480 maybe I'm a hater. Next one, we get to mechanics 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:49.120 where he lists ten quarterbacks and Patrick's not one of them. 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:56.320 And let me tell you again, he has Lamar four. Yeah, 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.480 I watched Lamar play quarterback, and I'm like, man, if 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.240 only Patrick had as clean of mechanics as Lamar does, 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:06.520 I do like I feel that way. I think it's 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.720 a good take the other ones. And again again like 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:16.040 the if Geno, Dak and Golf have better mechanics than Patrick, 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.920 then maybe mechanics are overrated. But mechanics didn't. Again, Patrick 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.200 didn't make the top ten decision making with the football. 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:29.360 Patrick came in stifth again I and then this is 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.240 the this is the one that really I couldn't. I 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:38.920 couldn't get over pocket presence. Burrow won, Lamar two, Patrick three. Okay, 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.600 like whatever, I'm not gonna I don't even I don't 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:50.360 even know what we're doing here. But fine, that's Orlowsky's list. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.440 He has a more fine tuned I for quarterback than me, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:59.160 I suppose I think it is. I disagree with some 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:01.680 of those, but that's not my real beef. My real 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:06.440 beef is with Bill, because Bill debuts his quarterback pyramid 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:12.160 and has Josh Allen at the top. And the problem 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:19.360 with that is, and here's the problem with having as 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:25.520 long and as successful a career as Bill Simmons has had, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:31.360 and a career that so many folks, myself included obviously 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:37.840 literally grew up reading every single one of your sports 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:45.920 takes because Bill's column was must read for every sports 0:09:45.960 --> 0:09:50.839 fan of my generation for more than a decade. The 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:56.640 problem with having that level of influence and being having 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:02.000 that long of a career is earmuffs, kids, We remember 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:15.080 what you fucking wrote. And for fifteen years, Bill fought 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:21.120 tooth and nail against the idea that anyone would ever, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:26.800 under any circumstances consider Peyton Manning better than Tom Brady, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:34.880 even though for the entirety of those fifteen years, Peyton 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:41.960 had a strong, a far stronger case to be considered 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:48.000 better than Peyton Manning. I'm sorry that. Let me back 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:53.000 that up. Peyton had a far stronger case to be 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.040 considered better than Brady. Then Josh would have right now 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.160 to be considered better than Patrick. And this is where 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.840 all of these quarterback rankings are going to be self defeating. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.160 But let me just quickly, off the top of my 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:18.559 damn head, give you the Peyton versus Tom first decade 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:25.360 history win again a reminder, my pal Bill built part 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:30.880 of his massive empire on the take that Tom Brady 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:35.840 is better than Peyton Manning. If we go two thousand 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:40.640 to two thousand and five, Peyton has peeled MVPs, but 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:44.360 Peyton is zero to two in the playoffs against Tom. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.640 Tom has three championships, Peyton has none. Peyton has never 0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:51.200 been to a Super Bowl. So even though Peyton Manning 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:57.160 statistically speaking, was the far superior quarterback with MVPs, he 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.920 had never beaten Tom in a big spot the championships 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:04.880 three to nothing. Then in two thousand and six, Peyton 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.400 not only wins another I'm sorry, he's already won two 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:14.120 MVPs at that point, plays Tom in the AFC Championship game. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.480 Tom's up I think twenty one to three at halftime. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.480 Peyton comes all the way back and wins the super Bowl, 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.400 wins it beats Tom. The playoffs are now two to one, 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:31.960 Peyton wins the Super Bowl, and Bill, I think justifiably, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:36.240 is still even though in that moment all pros Peyton 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:39.880 has multiple tom As zero, MVPs Peyton has multiple tom 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:43.400 As zero, the playoff win loss record is two to one, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.520 the rings are three to one. Bill is still strident, 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:56.200 steadfast correct. Tom's better, seemingly vindicated by the fact that 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.800 the next year Tom finally wins his first MVP, team 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.680 goes undefeated. They look like one of the greatest teams 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:08.240 ever until as double digit favorites they get beaten the 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:13.640 Super Bowl. In that moment, even though the rings were 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.320 three to one, the MVPs were two to one, the 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:21.079 all pros were two to one or three to one, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.200 I'm not sure, and the playoff win loss record was 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:31.160 tow to one in Tom's direction in that moment, if 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:37.680 anyone had debuted the take, Peyton has passed Tom because 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:40.960 Tom didn't win the Super Bowl last year, Bill's head 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:45.920 would have exploded. And then, by the way, over the 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.520 next decade, Tom never beat Peyton in the playoffs again. 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.160 There was a brief time in Denver where it looked 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:58.040 like maybe Peyton had kind of overtaken the argument and 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:03.040 then Tom went on that unbelievable twenty fourteen through twenty 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:09.920 twenty run, Desmond himself as the goat. But every single 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:17.120 football take we have heard for twenty years from Bill 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:28.360 Simmons has valued playoff performance, doing it in the biggest spots. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.680 And if you've got the belt, someone's got to come 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:40.080 take it from you. So when I saw the clip yesterday, 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:49.080 where the rationale for elevating Josh Allen, who is again 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.560 unlike Peyton Brady, where Peyton had the stats and Brady 0:14:53.560 --> 0:15:00.960 had the wins, Maholmes has moral pros, more MVP, better 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:05.680 career numbers, five trips to the Super Bowl to zero, 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.640 three rings to zero, and is four and zero in 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:15.640 the playoffs against him. When I hear the argument that 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:26.360 Mahomes played so poorly in the Super Bowl, he falls 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:33.120 down a peg without the obvious follow up being why 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:41.120 wasn't Josh in the Super Bowl? Bill? Because he couldn't 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:47.440 beat Patrick again, and that is where and again, I 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.640 think Josh is the second best quarterback in the league. 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.920 Now that Josh has a league MVP, I'm comfortable calling 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.840 him a future Hall of Famer. I think Josh eventually 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.680 is going to break through. I think Josh's ability last 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:08.240 year to cut down on the turnovers and still carry 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:13.600 a team that wasn't all that talented at the skill position, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:19.640 certainly on the outside, was wildly impressive. But we have 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:28.160 to stop acting like these have been unfair fights or 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:33.440 Josh hasn't had his chance in back to back years 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:39.200 in the playoffs. Once in Josh's building, once in Patrick's building, 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:45.800 Josh has gotten the ball late fourth quarter, down three 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:53.400 points the first time. He can only get them to 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.440 not the edge of field goal range, but not a 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.080 gimme field goal forty four yard or if I remember, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.919 and that would have only gotten them the tie with 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:10.240 a couple minutes left, has a chance finished the game, 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.199 ball in your hands. Don't let Patrick come back and 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.640 get it. They come away with zero points. Then last year, 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:26.560 down three Conference championship game, plenty of time, can't get 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:33.879 to midfield, So do not do you cannot. And this 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.480 is why the quarterback ranking stuff right now can be 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:43.400 so frustrating for people. Has Patrick played in the regular 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.840 season his best ball the last couple of years? No, 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.280 but who are again? And I've said it before, I 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:54.040 will say it again. If you want to argue you 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:59.480 know what, Jalen hurts is the best quarterback in the league. 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:04.440 I don't think anyone actually believes that, except for maybe 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.240 Jalen's lovely mother, who dressed me down a bit the 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:12.760 night before the Super Bowl. I don't even think Jalen 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.520 believes that. But if you want to argue that, at 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.320 least there is a case you can make. But for 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:24.040 the other three guys, as I said a moment ago, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:33.280 the argument becomes instantly self defeating. Burrows' claim to fame 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:38.240 is what he did in the first two the first 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.639 postseason and a half of his career, going into Arrowhead, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.840 beating Patrick, getting to the Super Bowl, then getting back 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:53.760 to the AFC Championship Game, and then he had a 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.960 pretty miserable second half with a chance to go to 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:01.159 a second straight Super Bowl, got the ball, tie game, 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.760 go get a field goal, got negative yards, loses, and 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.760 has not been back to the postseason since. There is 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:15.200 no time in the history of Pro football when there 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.639 have been multiple first ballot Hall of famers active in 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:24.240 their prime where we would say a guy elevated himself 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:28.800 to best quarterback in the league in a two year 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:34.359 stretch where he plays zero playoff games, not eligible Lamar, 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.960 who's in the midst of arguably as good of a 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:44.520 two year regular season stretch as any player at his 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:53.560 position ever when that player to varying degrees, and this 0:19:53.640 --> 0:20:00.919 past year was the most positive sign has come up 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:08.679 against the other two guys who he is in the 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:16.200 debate with for who's the best, and both games gotten 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:25.440 outplayed by and lost to in the postseason Patrick two 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:29.600 years ago and Josh last year. He's not gonna have it. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:38.800 And across all of sports except for maybe there were 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.880 some people arguing Jerry West was better than Bill Russell. 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.840 But with respect, as great as the Mahomes Reed Chiefs are, 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:53.600 they are not the institutionally top to bottom more talented 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.679 team like the Russell Celtics. We have never made an 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:04.920 argument that win every single year for a half decade, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:09.959 one guy beats and out plays another guy in the 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:17.960 postseason that the other guy's better. It's a again for 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:25.919 the entirety of Peyton versus Brady. When Peyton was a 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.879 cult that whole decade plus, they only played in the 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:33.840 postseason three times and it was two to one Tom, 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:39.000 and it was still framed correctly as if Tom held 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:43.879 over him in the postseason. Imagine if they played four 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:48.520 times and it was four to zero. And so again, 0:21:48.640 --> 0:21:53.080 this is what I would ask my pal Bill. If 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:59.000 Tom had beaten Peyton in six and then gone on 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.400 to lose that Super Bowl and he was up three 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.840 to zero in the playoffs and the ring count was 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.240 three zero and the super Bowl count was four zero, 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:16.879 and someone made the argument that Peyton Manning was better 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:24.200 based on Tom playing poorly in this make believe two 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:29.320 thousand and six super Bowl, what would your reaction have been? 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:34.760 And the answer is, we know, so can we please 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:45.040 please have a level of consistency on this, that's all. Honestly, 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:50.280 that didn't go quite as long as I thought. And 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:54.800 again I'm not trying to act like I invented the 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.919 pyramid style ranking of quarterbacks. What I will say is, 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:03.080 if you're gonna really do it, each level has to 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:09.800 be one player bigger than the previous. You can't go one, two, three, four, five, five, 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.919 five fi five. That's not the idea that that's not 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:18.240 how a pyramid looks either at the and I mean 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:20.800 it's just not. I mean, I don't e that's a crayon. 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:24.160 That's how a crayon looks, not how a pyramid looks. 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:28.560 That's first of all. Second of all, my buddy Kate 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.480 w could have given you pointers on that when he 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.359 was on the pod with you. UFC three nineteens blawing 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.320 back to the Windy City for the first time in 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.680 six years. 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How did some voters not have 0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:25.040 Alan and Lamar as Tier one? 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.399 Well, guys, so that so here is what's crazier about 0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.040 that demonse and this, I don't know if you remember. 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:38.120 Last year in this poll coming off the league, MVP 0:25:39.800 --> 0:25:44.600 Lamar was Tier two. Yeah, dude, it is. This is 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:48.800 the first time in Lamar's career he's been Tier one. 0:25:49.359 --> 0:25:54.280 Last year, Lamar got twenty three Tier one votes, twenty 0:25:54.320 --> 0:25:59.240 six Tier two votes, and one Tier three vote. At 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:03.800 Tier three votes, it's an outge. That's just an outrage. 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:09.160 This year he got forty six Tier one votes and 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:14.720 four Tier two votes. Josh got forty seven Tier one 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:18.280 votes and three Tier two votes. 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:18.520 Two. 0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:25.600 I'm not listen, I am not going to Oh, it's 0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.800 it's as close to the unanimous as you can be 0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:33.879 without being unanimous. There's clearly Listen, what you saw is 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:38.639 some of these executives, and you saw it kind of 0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:45.560 throughout the voting on this Really, when they are judging quarterbacks, 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:55.280 they are almost entirely just removing improvisation and running and 0:26:55.560 --> 0:27:00.800 that's that they are purely asking themselves, and they even 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:06.800 describe it. A Tier one quarterback can carry his team 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.520 each week. All right, So Josh and Lamar obviously are 0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:13.560 in that category. The team wins because of him, Josh 0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:18.040 and Lamar a in that category. He expertly handles pure 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:24.400 passing situations. So I think that is where people found 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:29.520 a way to discount Josh and Lamar, who are obviously 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:35.159 Tier one quarterbacks. I my response to them would be 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:41.280 those guys, first of all, they're excellent passers as is now. 0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:44.560 I'm not Jim Harbaugh saying Lamar is the greatest pure 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.600 passer to ever play. I think that's probably a step 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:56.720 too far. But they are such dynamic runners that even 0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.840 in pure passing situations they can make the play with 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:05.400 their legs. So, like, I just think those are bad opinions, 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:10.080 you know what I mean? Like say it again, games changing, Yeah, 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:16.399 games changing, and their ability to they they can just 0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:18.240 beat you in a bunch of different ways. Like it 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:23.840 is you. You can't if you wanted to argue, as 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.280 I have in the past, there is only one there's 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:30.080 a there's a tier above Tier one, and that's the 0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:33.560 tier Mahomes lives in. Fine, but if we're saying there's 0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.919 just Tier one and those four guys, well, you know what, 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:43.840 let me back it up, Patrick, Josh and Lamar have 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:49.360 to be in it. I think Burrow definitively deserves to 0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.200 be in it. But if someone wanted to construct a 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.920 case which is kind of the reverse of what we're 0:28:55.960 --> 0:29:01.080 talking about on Burrow, which is, yeah, he handles pure 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:05.800 passing situations, but unlike the other three guys, right, he 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:07.240 can't beat you. 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.120 Well, he kind of carries his divise. 0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.760 I mean, he carries he carries his team while he's 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:19.320 on the field, like I don't. I don't is tough, 0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:25.240 but that that's not on him. But he can't. All 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.000 the other guys can beat you with their arm and 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.720 their legs. Burrow can only beat you with his arm, 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:32.120 but he's so good with his arm, Like listen, he's 0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:35.520 clearly Tier one. And then it gets a little tricky, 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:38.440 which is and so like listen, I just think those 0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.040 three or four voters they didn't have Alan and Lamar's 0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:43.640 tier one, Like, it wouldn't surprise me at all if 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.000 some of them had, Like how many Tier one votes 0:29:47.000 --> 0:29:51.880 did Herbert get? Let me look real quick. Herbert got 0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.360 thirteen Tier one votes. So I bet those three or 0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.440 four voters that didn't vote Josh and Lamar did vote Herbert. 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:02.400 And that's just stupid. I mean, that's just flatly dumb. 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.160 All right, Hurts, keep going on. 0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:06.280 That guy. He was square in the middle and the 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:10.600 Tier two with twelve voters given him a Tier three vote. 0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.600 So as the Hurts debate put to rest. 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:20.440 Well, so Hurts got three Tier one, thirty five, Tier two, 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:28.400 and twelve Tier three and he so in Let's just 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.000 give it some context here. 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:34.400 Right after we said, we said Lamar got three after 0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.640 he won MVP. 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:42.960 Yeah, yeah, after the Super Bowl year that they lost 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:46.960 when he came in second MVP voting. Okay, so that 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.960 was when he came in second MVP voting to Mahomes. 0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:55.080 That year, he got ten Tier one, thirty eight Tier two, 0:30:55.920 --> 0:31:01.520 and two Tier three. Last year, after the Supernatural Funk 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.200 year and the collapse at the end of the year, 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:09.520 he got one Tier one, thirty three Tier two, and 0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:17.800 sixteen Tier three. This year he got two more Tier 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:22.960 ones up to three, two more Tier twos, up to 0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:30.720 thirty five, and down to twelve Tier threes, down from sixteen. 0:31:32.840 --> 0:31:36.040 I think having Jalen Hurts listed as a Tier three 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:40.240 quarterback is stupid. I want to make that clear. I 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.160 think that now the description of Tier two. If you care, 0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:48.480 a Tier two quarterback can carry his team sometimes, but 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:54.680 not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses, 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.480 and or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.280 elevate him above tier three. He has a whole or 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:08.280 two in his game. I think that's a perfect description 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:16.040 of Jalen Hurts. I think the actual description of can 0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:20.360 carry his team, but not as consistently, can handle pure 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:26.120 passing situations in doses, and possesses other dimensions that are 0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:29.479 special enough to elevate him above tier three, has a 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.480 whole or two in his game. That to me, is 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:38.000 a perfect description. The hole is he has never proven 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:42.040 he can be a high volume passer that leads to 0:32:42.600 --> 0:32:46.040 team and individual success. But everything else he does at 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:51.640 a super high level. And whatever demeriage you give him 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:59.160 on pure passing situations, the absolute cheat code of the 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.920 tush push that you know is unique to him. It 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.720 would appear when I say, cheak got that in a 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:06.640 complimentary way. 0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:10.240 What I'm saying, like that would be a cat like 0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:11.880 that would that would elevate him. 0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:13.400 That's elevates him. 0:33:13.600 --> 0:33:16.640 Okay, what I'm saying, I was curious if. 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:20.040 You no, if you're gonna knock him for there's a 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:24.000 point Wilde's made yesterday, and he's right. If we're gonna 0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:28.200 knock him for in third and nine, would you rather 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:32.080 have Matt Stafford then we have to give him more 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.640 for the fact that it's fourth and one. You'd rather 0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:38.440 have him than any player in the league, right, Yeah? 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.640 But is that is that him or is that the 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:44.520 team combo? 0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:47.040 I mean, I do think the fact that he is 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.960 so strong and so tough and has mastered it, you 0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.120 know what I mean, Like I saw Tanner McKee try 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:54.480 to do it in the preseason. It was ugly. We've 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.960 seen other teams, you know what I mean. So I 0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.360 think it's you know, I think it's not all him, 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.400 but it's part of him, part of the team. But 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:12.920 with all that said, I the guys above him, I 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:19.200 can like Matt Stafford's number five on this list. I 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:23.400 love Stafford. Now. Is if Stafford's number five with an 0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:27.960 asterisk because we're saying if he you know, if he's healthy, 0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.640 that's totally fair. And if you want to say you're 0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:35.520 gonna knock him because you know, Jalen gets hurt and 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.560 just you know, plays through, it's Stafford. Now, Stafford's played 0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:40.359 through a bunch of stuff. But we are worried at 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.840 this point with his age of him missing time, so 0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.439 be it. But I would rather have a healthy Matt 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.400 Stafford than a healthy Jalen Hurts. So I think Stafford 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:53.160 being ahead of him is fine. Jaden is tricky because 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.840 Jaden the sample size is just such good another year, right, 0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.160 so you know what I mean, Like Jaden is it 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.840 was the greatest rookie season ever, but the sample size 0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:11.040 is so small, and it feels like Jalen is a 0:35:11.200 --> 0:35:16.799 safer bet. But Jaden has you know, Jayden has a 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.680 better chance of one day being number one on this 0:35:19.719 --> 0:35:23.960 list than Jalen. Right, Herbert we've talked about. I think 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.560 having Herbert above Hurtz is an outrage. I think it's 0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.880 I think that is just purely based on an idea 0:35:33.480 --> 0:35:36.759 I would not have. And then barely ahead of him 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.680 is Jared Goff. I would rather have Jalen Hurts than 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.759 Jared Goff because I think they are very similar in 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:46.640 that under the right circumstances can be very dynamic and 0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:50.400 a huge part of winning. But I think Jalen could 0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:55.040 thrive in more circumstances than Golf. So I think Jalen's 0:35:55.120 --> 0:36:03.200 toughness and running would translate better to a bad team 0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:06.600 than Jared. So I think Jared on a bad team 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:17.319 plummet wild exactly and so and so I understand the 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.640 So if I were doing it, if it were mine, 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.759 and I know, I know that this is one where 0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:27.720 I've probably kind of over the last six months flip 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:32.319 flopped a bit because at one point I said that 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:37.920 you can't like it's Mahomes Alan Lamar, and then if 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.399 you're gonna say it's a big four with Burrow, it's 0:36:40.440 --> 0:36:43.040 got to be a big five with Jalen. But even 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:46.440 when I was saying that, deep down, I was like, 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:49.680 but I think Stafford's better. So if I were to 0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:57.759 just do the nick right rankings, pure just me who 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:08.600 I would like for this season, assuming health, Patrick, Josh Lamar, 0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:17.879 Joe Stafford. I want to make sure I'm not leaving 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:25.600 anybody out, and then I would put in Jailing. I 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:32.920 would put in jail In at six, Jalen six, Jaden seven, 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:40.160 Baker eight, and then it gets and then it gets 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.440 and then after that we could have a debate about 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:48.719 Herbert versus golf. But that's where I would you know 0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:50.080 what I mean, That's where I would have it, and 0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:56.280 then after them, we have a debate about CJ versus 0:37:56.400 --> 0:38:03.520 Love versus Dak and then obviously I'm gonna start elevating 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:08.400 my guys Caleb and Trevor, but they gotta prove the 0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:17.680 and so that's where that's where I would rank them, 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.479 and I I think that is so I didn't think 0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:30.640 any of these were crazy out of line. The all right, 0:38:30.680 --> 0:38:31.560 let's go to Rogers. 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.080 Yeah, I was about to say, do you want to 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:36.040 talk about Rogers going from tier one to tier three? 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:41.879 So I was shot that Rogers was tier one. Oh 0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:48.719 so he so this has been wait what okay, So 0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:53.800 this is what's interesting. So here is Rogers over the years. 0:38:55.160 --> 0:39:03.399 So Rogers going into his final in Green Bay unanimous 0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.640 Tier one, obvious. I think he was the back to 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:13.280 back defending League MVP, unanimous Tier one. Rogers going into 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:18.680 his first year with the Jets thirty Tier one, twenty 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:23.879 tier two. That again, to me was fair. I would 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.160 have put in tier two because I thought his last 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:29.680 year in Green Bay, you saw the writing on the wall, 0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.560 and you saw it in evidence by his stats. You know, 0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:39.200 the team's success, a lot of that stuff, but he 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:41.200 was still just a year removed from being a two 0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:46.920 time MVP going into last year with the Jets. This 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:53.280 was a very interesting looking back on it. Voting going 0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:58.520 Demonse going into last year again where he was coming 0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:04.920 off the blown Achilles, he got twenty three Tier one votes. 0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.640 It's like, all, poor guy toar his Achilles and he's 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:09.560 gonna be fine. 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:13.200 Right, He's gonna come back with a vengines, eighteen Tier 0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:19.920 two votes, seven Tier three votes, and two Tier four votes. 0:40:20.560 --> 0:40:24.040 I'd have to ask Sando, and I could probably go 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:25.960 back and read the article. I'm not gonna do it 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:30.160 right now live on the air. Was he the first 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:36.080 player ever to get multiple votes in four different tiers? 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.880 To get you know, multiple Tier one and Tier four votes? 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:45.520 So last year going into last year, I so he 0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:49.040 ended up averaging out. That was interesting. Last year he 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:51.720 got more votes for Tier one than any other tier, 0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.640 but he averaged out to a Tier two player quarterback. 0:40:56.080 --> 0:41:00.520 And this year so weird. 0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.399 Now the guy that gave him a tier he got 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:05.880 one Tier one vote this year too, by the way. 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.320 Oh I clicked the wrong thing. Okay, not so weird. 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.880 So this year he got one Tier one vote. That 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:15.000 guy's out of his mind. Yeah, I mean that's just idiotic. 0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:20.560 He got sixteen Tier two votes. I can't call that idiotic, 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:24.919 but I disagree. Twenty seven Tier three votes, just where 0:41:24.960 --> 0:41:28.720 I would have him, and then four Tier six or sorry, 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.080 six Tier four votes, which is folks that think that 0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:37.040 he's just finished, right, but where he is as far 0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:44.160 as in the hierarchy. So Tier three quarterbacks are in order, Kyler, 0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:53.720 Aaron Tua, Trevor, Gino Nicks, Darnald May, Caleb, Bryce Kirk. 0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:59.919 Those are the Tier three for me personally, the quarterbacks 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:05.319 I would rather have than Aaron, every single one of 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:10.040 the guys Tier one and two, so that's fourteen, and 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:19.000 then I would rather have this year Gino, Drake, Caleb, 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:34.440 Trevor Tua, and that's probably it, not Bo Nicks, not Kyler, 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.879 and not Darnald or Bryce or Kirk. So I would 0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:43.920 have him closer to the middle of Tier three. Go ahead. 0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:49.200 Apparently Rogers was actually number two and Tier two number 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.800 seven overall. Yeah last year, Oh okay, okay, that's. 0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.799 Yeah last year, so he he that's what I was saying. 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:02.840 Last year. He last year, he got more votes, he 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:06.040 got more Tier one votes than any other tier but 0:43:06.239 --> 0:43:11.799 because he also got like a four votes. He he 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:14.399 got you know, ding down and dropped to tier two. 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.880 But yeah, so I would have him close to twenty. 0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:30.320 They have him fifteen. The Kyler one's interesting because I 0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:35.959 think having Kyler at the almost a tier two guy 0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:43.200 and ahead of all those other guys, the young players 0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.640 that you know you expect to pop, ahead of Gino, 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:49.879 ahead of Rogers, I think it is interesting. I mean, 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.680 I just wouldn't. I just don't. 0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:54.279 He's like low tier three. 0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.799 Yeah to me is but maybe I'm low on him, 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:03.440 but I I just you give him credit because last 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:07.160 year he was able for the first time in four 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:12.440 years to play all seventeen. But I just feel like 0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.040 at this point we kind of know what we're getting 0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.560 from Kyler, and he's a player that. 0:44:21.680 --> 0:44:24.640 Once you don't like him he's too small. 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:30.719 Well, there is that, but it's also true that once 0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:36.920 you start seeing Thanksgiving decorations up at the stores, you 0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.359 know he's not going to be playing well. I mean, 0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:42.279 it's just who he's been for his career. He's good 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.600 for about the first half of the season, and that 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:52.160 to me is like, I don't know why that would change, 0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:58.520 like the and so I think that I'm not as 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:04.360 high on Kyler. I respect the talent, but I care 0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.760 You're right about this demonte. I care about raw talent 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:11.400 way less with very small players. I just do. 0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.360 I mean that was like the best high school football player, 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.600 like ever a football quarterback. 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:22.760 Yea, the best? Yeah, I mean, no, he's the best. 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.080 And he was a hell of a college player as well, 0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.759 and he's had moments in the pros. And maybe it 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.080 was as simple as high school and college seasons or 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:35.399 twelve games long. You know what, mark this down. If 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.879 we ever have another strike shortened NFL year, I might 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.920 bet on Kyler. They come back and they're like, oh, 0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:45.680 it's only a ten game season plus the playoffs this year. 0:45:45.920 --> 0:45:50.040 I might be a Kyler guy that year since but 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.520 that is, but for the time being, I would have 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:55.600 him low tier three. 0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:58.520 Do you want to get to that last one or 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.160 I want to just the Oh yeah, what are some 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:04.920 quarterbacks you see in going up a tier this year? 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:08.120 And who are some quarterbacks you see going down a tier? 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:10.720 All right, so let me look at the full list again. 0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.640 I've opened this thing up so many times that now 0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:19.480 I've got I've got two tabs. I do this sometimes, 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:25.440 all right, So let me the so let me maximize 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:25.839 this so. 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:36.800 I can look at this better. I think that going 0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:44.960 up a tier so gosh, this is a tough one. 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:52.800 I think that Caleb will be Tier two going into 0:46:52.840 --> 0:47:01.880 next year. I think that Right will be off the 0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:08.239 list because I think he'll be done. I think that 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.160 Perty will probably be Tier three. He's hanging on for 0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:17.359 deer life in Tier two right now. And I don't 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.600 think the Niners are going to be excellent this year. 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:26.400 And I think that who do I think could jump 0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:30.799 into Tier one? You know what I'm gonna I might 0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:36.560 go all in on this team this year. Bake Show. 0:47:37.360 --> 0:47:43.040 Okay, yeah, I think the I think the the Bucks 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.399 could have a monster offensive season and that I think 0:47:47.440 --> 0:47:54.560 potentially could elevate Baker and especially if if Stafford is dinged. 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.280 You know, if Stafford. I think Stafford was very weird 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:01.640 for Stafford who had been Tier two demons for eleven 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:04.440 straight years and then this is the year he gets 0:48:04.440 --> 0:48:09.200 elevated when he wasn't great last year's regular season. It 0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.000 was awesome in their two platforms, but wasn't great in 0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:12.920 last year regularly. 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:16.879 Jordan Love I love to tier I mean, but two 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:18.720 to one to two. 0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:20.960 To one's hard, you know what I mean, Like, that's 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:25.960 the I am curious, Like, let me ask you this 0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:29.480 and the answer might be none of the above, But no, 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.680 I'm not gonna allow that. You have to say a 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:38.040 name of the four guys who were all either unanimous 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:44.280 or close to it Tier one, Patrick, Joe, Josh Lamar. 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:51.600 Who do you think is that most risk, most risk 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:52.719 to move down? 0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:55.200 I think it'd be Joe Burrow, just because if they 0:48:55.200 --> 0:48:59.680 don't make the postseason again this year, then so what 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:01.680 are you, like, what are we gonna say at this point? 0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:04.000 I mean, maybe it's the defense again that. 0:49:04.440 --> 0:49:07.000 I agree, but I think it's for a different reason. 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:09.880 I think the only thing that could move Joe down 0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:13.320 is if he gets hurt again. And I think given 0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:17.080 their offensive line and given his history, I think he's 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:20.120 the most obviously, of the big four, he's the most 0:49:20.160 --> 0:49:23.319 likely to miss. Yeah, yeah, you know, and so I 0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:27.600 that would be my answer. All right, let's talk shudor Tador. 0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:29.839 He looked pretty good. I mean, he look fantastic, but 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:32.000 he looked pretty good for a quarterback. Went there and 0:49:32.000 --> 0:49:36.799 did his thing. Head coach Steven Kevin Stefanski still hasn't 0:49:36.840 --> 0:49:39.360 committed to Shador, So, uh, do you think that he 0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:42.000 showed everything he needed to do to get the starting job? 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:46.600 What do you well? He's definitely not going to be 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:50.080 their Week one starter. That is gonna be Joe Flacco. 0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.080 I don't even think. By the way, if I were Shador, 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:57.319 I know he can't say this, I wouldn't even want 0:49:57.360 --> 0:50:02.000 to be the Week one starter. Like I the the 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:07.760 Browns open with the Ravens and then they play I'm sorry, 0:50:07.920 --> 0:50:10.320 the Brown's open with the Bengals, so I wouldn't actually 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.840 hate that because of the Bengals defense, But then they 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:17.719 go Ravens, Packers, Lions, Viking Steelers, Like those are not defenses. 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:23.960 I'm interested in playing it right off, exactly right. And 0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:27.240 I understand that the Browns just released their latest depth 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:30.200 chart and Shador is still number four. They did not 0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:35.239 move him up at all. I don't believe it. I 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:42.920 think that Shadoor has now, if we are being fair, 0:50:45.200 --> 0:50:49.560 he has taken it is now Dylan Gabriel who is 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:53.440 chasing Shador in the quarterback competition instead of vice versa. 0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:58.359 Like the the you know the old adage you don't 0:50:58.400 --> 0:51:02.040 lose your job due to end is total bs happens 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.640 in sports all the time. People lose their job because 0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.440 of injury and because the guy who fills in for 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.840 you shows something he didn't have the opportunity to show before, 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:18.280 and so FLA. If Flacco is just entrenched at one, 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:23.719 which I think he is, Kenny Pickett was two and 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.720 is two on the late step chart. He's been hurt 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:30.399 the last couple weeks of camp. Doesn't look like he's 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.320 gonna play at all, and there he didn't play in 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:34.200 their first preseason game. Doesn't look like he's going to 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:38.719 playing their second. Dylan Gabriel is three. Gabriel, according to 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:41.480 all reports on the ground, has been bad in practice 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:46.359 and was injured for the first preseason game. Shadores four. 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:53.520 He's practiced well and I thought made four very high 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:57.400 level throws in that game and really only made a 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.359 couple bad mistakes. 0:51:59.800 --> 0:51:59.880 And. 0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:05.000 So I think that is enough to where he should 0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:08.080 have taken the lead on Gabriel, and the goal for 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:13.839 either of these rookies flatly needed to be beat out 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:20.760 the other rookie. So when at when Flacco inevitably gets benched, 0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.440 I'm the guy they go to. Now, maybe they'll go 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.239 to pick it, but I think that would be asinine, 0:52:27.960 --> 0:52:32.399 and so now I also think this Demanse. I think 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:37.960 Gabriel will and should start preseason game number two, and 0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:40.960 then you know he can if he plays well. 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:42.279 And just get both of them half. 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.759 I think that's what we'll do. I could even see 0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:50.640 him go, Demanse, quarter quarter, quarter quarter, you know what 0:52:50.880 --> 0:52:54.760 they're thereabouts, like, I could see Gabriel playing then should, 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:58.279 or then Gabriel back in then should or that way, 0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:01.320 you know what I mean, You get more time with 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.800 starting caliber players, or you know, guys that are actually 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.040 gonna make the team, or they each get it. But 0:53:08.640 --> 0:53:11.720 I now think Gabriel, I think Shador is now amongst 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:17.799 the rookies in pole position. And I also think that, 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:23.240 and this is why so I thought after the game 0:53:24.160 --> 0:53:28.080 him saying something to Tony Grosey was totally fine. And 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:33.120 I think people don't recognize how common that is that 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:38.200 guys sang after games in locker rooms are in the 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.080 tunnel to reporters like, hey, what was up with that? 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.520 That has happened forever? That used to happen to me. 0:53:44.320 --> 0:53:48.640 I remember Matt Cassel saying to a different media member, 0:53:49.680 --> 0:53:53.120 we're both standing there when he realized that media member. 0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:55.000 You know what, I think it was to Mark Carmon, 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.880 our friend whose birthday was actually yesterday. I think it 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:02.400 was to karm that he said to him, this is 0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:05.600 your buddy about me. He's like, yeah, He's like, he 0:54:05.719 --> 0:54:08.680 sure talks a lot of shit, doesn't He like did 0:54:08.719 --> 0:54:11.040 not like some of the things I had said about him. 0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:14.399 That's super common. So I have no problem at all 0:54:14.760 --> 0:54:17.640 with Shador having that moment with Tony Grossi. 0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:20.919 At this time, though, what you need to be worried about. 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:28.000 So here is the thing on that. I think the 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:31.080 smile and the laugh at the end made it okay. 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:35.880 And I think that like charisma and charm and a 0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:41.200 great smile can really carry Yeah, and so like that 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:45.120 to me was fine. I thought the walk in was 0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:50.120 a misstep. I didn't think it was a grievous error, 0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:56.280 but I thought, I'm not asking you to be someone 0:54:56.360 --> 0:55:01.360 you're not. But turned down the volume on literally on 0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:06.840 the boombox, I guess and also figuratively. Now I understand 0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:10.439 those were his teammates, not his entourage, but still, you're 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:14.920 the quarterback, the guy carrying the giant walking stick staff 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.719 in the boombox. I might have been like, can we 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:19.520 not do that? And if you really want to walk 0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:21.160 in like that, maybe I'll go in, you know, a 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:28.400 little bit after you, because it's he is. If the 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:34.000 Browns won't elevate him on their real depth chart, then 0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:39.360 he also wants another team to trade for, you know, 0:55:39.800 --> 0:55:44.000 And so I just don't think that helps. But I 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:48.399 don't think it's a huge deal. You'd certainly rather him 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:52.759 play well and have an awkward pre and postgame, then 0:55:52.840 --> 0:55:54.920 be perfect pre and post game and play port right, 0:55:55.760 --> 0:55:56.200 go ahead? 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:58.640 No, I mean with that take, you were saying that 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.319 maybe he should show out for the Rams or maybe 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:03.960 the Rams look at him, because words like a mortal 0:56:04.120 --> 0:56:08.560 chamber are being thrown around. Ye very serious. Yeah, I 0:56:08.560 --> 0:56:11.160 don't know. So, uh do you think that's more of 0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:14.160 a possibility now, like it's more serious. 0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:19.040 I think that right now he's probably worth He was 0:56:19.120 --> 0:56:21.279 drafted with a fifth. I think he's worth at least 0:56:21.280 --> 0:56:25.000 a fourth, you know what I mean? And so, but 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.120 I don't I think the Browns want to keep him. 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:32.719 I think Stefanski might be coming around if he wasn't 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.239 already there. And I think you had to be impressed 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:41.440 by how he handled himself. And how he played Uh 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:46.880 this Sunday? Was it Sunday? Saturday? Friday? 0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:48.920 It was Friday Friday. 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:53.480 All right, hey guys, talking about my friends at boost Mobile. 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:57.200 Ever signed up for a phone plan, thinking wow, great price, 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.959 and then a few months later it's like surprise, bill 0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:02.920 even higher. Boost Mobile. You paid twenty five dollars a 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.719 month forever. 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We talked enough Chiefs earlier, so we can 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:52.080 move on to Caleb if we can. 0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:55.400 Caleb Williams did not play it down in the preseason game, 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:57.880 and Ben Johnson is not worried about that at all. 0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:00.880 He said and quote, there is no substitute for real 0:58:00.920 --> 0:58:03.400 live bullets. I get that. But at the same time, 0:58:03.440 --> 0:58:05.800 when you can accumulate seventy plus reps in a day, 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:09.160 that's pretty good. If live action is the best option here, 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:10.400 then why why. 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:15.760 Not plays guys? So listen, I I think, and I've 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.840 said this on TV a dozen times, so I will, 0:58:18.920 --> 0:58:23.280 you know, repeat myself here. I think in certain sometimes 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:26.400 you hear like, you know, to copycat league, certain things 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:30.800 should be copied. The way Andy Reid handles training camp 0:58:30.840 --> 0:58:35.600 and preseason should be copied. The Chiefs every year are 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:39.040 sharper to start the year than most of the rest 0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:42.320 of the league. Andy runs a tough training camp, they hit, 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:47.560 they have long practices, and Patrick plays in the preseason 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.480 and the starters play and they're ready to go. So 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.800 I would copy that, all right a lot. You know, 0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:56.960 Sean McVay, who I you know, I think is the 0:58:57.040 --> 0:59:00.600 second best coach in football, does the exact op and 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.640 has for years, puts guys on ice and you know 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:08.360 that's that. So there's obviously not a perfect way to 0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:14.320 do it. I would copy andies. With that said, everyone 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:20.360 is making this a Caleb story. Ben Johnson did not play. 0:59:21.080 --> 0:59:25.680 They have four they left tackles not determined yet for 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.880 the Bears starting left tackle, so they played everybody who's 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:33.360 competing for that. There are other offensive line spots left guard, center, 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:36.120 right guard, right tackle. We know who the starters are. 0:59:36.400 --> 0:59:40.400 Those guys played zero snaps. They're starting running back played 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:44.760 zero snaps. They're starting tight end played zero snaps, and 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:48.840 their three top receivers played zero snaps. If you are 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:54.880 deciding institutionally the starters aren't playing, then you obviously can't 0:59:54.920 --> 0:59:57.560 throw Kaleb out there. Now, I canna throw Kaleb out 0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:01.240 there behind your second and third string offensive line and 1:00:01.440 --> 1:00:04.480 be like, all right, figure it out, buddy, now. Uh 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:09.560 Like Drake may played, he played through five passes. I 1:00:09.680 --> 1:00:12.600 do think when you do it this way, it means 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:18.000 preseason game two Caleb should play a fair amount. And 1:00:18.840 --> 1:00:22.800 do I think that they are hiding Caleb. 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:23.280 No? 1:00:23.880 --> 1:00:30.200 Do I think that Ben wants nothing but positive vibes 1:00:30.240 --> 1:00:33.840 headed into the season, and after using the training camp 1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:37.480 to kind of break guys down a bit, he wants 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:41.080 a little more time to build them back up before 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:45.360 we Before people see them. I do think that. But 1:00:45.600 --> 1:00:51.240 do I think that there was that this decision was 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:56.960 based on how Caleb has played thus far this training camp. 1:00:57.080 --> 1:01:07.240 I do not, And so I think that he had 1:01:07.280 --> 1:01:11.560 made his decision on how he's going to play his 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:15.360 guys this training this preseason, and he's trying to stick 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:18.520 to it. Now we'll see how well that works. But 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:24.360 I I you know, Colin had a great take on this, 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:28.280 even though I disagreed with it, which is, let me 1:01:28.320 --> 1:01:32.200 read you the exact caption of it, because I thought 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:36.600 it was so funny. Hold on, and then there's a 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:39.840 good shams little sham's note that I'm going to read 1:01:39.880 --> 1:01:43.040 you guys in a second as well. So here's what 1:01:43.120 --> 1:01:50.960 Colin said, uh yesterday about Caleb. Uh gosh, don it 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:56.720 sorry here. Oh, when tech companies delay the release, it's 1:01:56.800 --> 1:02:01.560 usually because you're still in the beta stage. Colin's way 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:04.680 of saying he's not ready for the bright lights, I 1:02:04.720 --> 1:02:08.200 think that is probably too harsh, and I think that, 1:02:09.400 --> 1:02:13.480 But I do think that the first month of the 1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:16.760 season could be a little rocky. I do like the 1:02:16.840 --> 1:02:20.480 regular season. I don't think he's gonna come off, you know, 1:02:21.040 --> 1:02:23.600 flying out of the gate. Maybe he will, but I 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:27.440 think that I believe in Caleb's talent, and I think 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:30.680 Ben Johnson's very sharp offensive mind, and I think the 1:02:30.680 --> 1:02:33.680 Bears patched their holes on the offensive line. So I 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:37.600 think they'll be fine, but I uh. 1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:40.640 Not doing their best to make it the most fine 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:41.520 he could possibly be. 1:02:42.280 --> 1:02:45.800 Well, I don't know about the season. I mean again, 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:48.760 he obviously wants them to be as good as possible, 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:52.920 as early as possible. Maybe he's wrong, but he thinks 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:59.320 that this is the right path. We'll see. So Scham's 1:02:59.400 --> 1:03:04.840 just tweeted. Wick Grousbeck will no longer stay on as 1:03:04.920 --> 1:03:07.720 governor of the Celtics as part of the celtics six 1:03:07.760 --> 1:03:11.680 point one billion dollar sale to Bill Chisholm. Playing had 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:15.160 been for Grousbeck to remain through twenty twenty eight. Chisholm 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:19.680 assumes governor title and the transfer will be finalized soon. Guys, 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:25.280 this is Cuban sells the team and he's like, I'm 1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:30.640 gonna run it though, and he's out immediately. Grousbeck sells 1:03:30.680 --> 1:03:32.600 the team and it's like, no, but I'm gonna run 1:03:32.640 --> 1:03:35.360 it for the next couple of years, and he's out immediately. 1:03:36.640 --> 1:03:40.360 Jeanie Buss sold the team, and everyone's like, oh, but 1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:44.840 she's gonna stay in charge for five years, We'll see 1:03:45.560 --> 1:03:51.080 people tend not again. I am not over under two 1:03:51.320 --> 1:03:57.280 business psychologist, and I don't run in billionaire circles. But 1:03:57.840 --> 1:04:07.960 in my limited experience, people don't spend ten eleven figures 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:13.000 on something to not be in charge of it. It's 1:04:13.160 --> 1:04:20.040 just not People don't buy a sixty dollars video game 1:04:21.000 --> 1:04:24.720 to not play it. They don't buy a six billion 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:28.640 dollar basketball team to let someone else make the decisions. 1:04:29.200 --> 1:04:34.200 And so I was skeptical when I saw Cubans say 1:04:34.240 --> 1:04:37.400 it years ago. I was even more skeptical when I 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:41.040 saw what Grusbecs say it. And I am extra skeptical 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:47.360 about Genie Buss running the Lakers for five years after all. 1:04:47.200 --> 1:04:51.360 Of this for under two though two years. 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:57.320 Oh Demonse, wait, look at this throw it on the screen. 1:04:57.440 --> 1:04:58.320 Oh my god. 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:03.800 Packers quarter Jordan Love is undergoing a procedure on a 1:05:03.840 --> 1:05:07.840 ligament issue with his left thumb. A left thumb suffered 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:12.760 the injury in Green Bay's preseason opener. The team is 1:05:12.840 --> 1:05:15.560 hoping Love can return to practice next week, and the 1:05:15.560 --> 1:05:18.080 Packers are expecting to be ready for the regular season opener. 1:05:18.560 --> 1:05:21.680 Left thumb is not as much of a concern, right, 1:05:22.080 --> 1:05:24.840 A surgery on the right thumb would be highly concerning. 1:05:25.080 --> 1:05:27.800 Here's the thing, though, As I've said before, I don't 1:05:28.000 --> 1:05:34.600 I don't trust insider injury reports. Every every surgery's out 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:40.000 of schedule. Every body avoided disaster, Everyone's gonna be ready 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:45.120 week one. I just I have a hard time digesting it. 1:05:46.200 --> 1:05:49.800 Anybody seen Najieris. I saw a picture of Najiras. Looks 1:05:49.800 --> 1:05:53.600 like he can't open an eye, and so I I 1:05:53.960 --> 1:05:57.920 just know for real that picture of Najieras was scary looking, 1:05:58.280 --> 1:06:02.680 looked like he really hurt his eye with the fireworks, 1:06:02.720 --> 1:06:06.880 and so I just I hope he's fine because last 1:06:06.920 --> 1:06:11.880 year got a little derailed. Is too strong. Last year 1:06:12.720 --> 1:06:15.520 got off to uh, he didn't have the year a 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:17.160 lot of people thought he was gonna have, and a 1:06:17.160 --> 1:06:19.840 lot of people thought that was because he suffered that 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:23.760 injury early on. All right, Demanta, let's go to the 1:06:23.800 --> 1:06:25.520 listener questions. 1:06:26.920 --> 1:06:29.880 T asked, where do you think Alan Lamar rank all 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:33.520 time right this moment? Just his quarterback talents, I'd say 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:37.280 both top fifteen side question, are the smelling salts going 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:38.320 to ruin? Your life. 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:40.800 Smelling salts are not going to ruin my life. But 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:45.160 you know, strong recommend if people haven't tried him yet, 1:06:45.480 --> 1:06:48.160 especially if you're like maybe trying to kick caffeine or 1:06:48.160 --> 1:06:52.360 something like. I haven't read into the potential downsides of 1:06:52.400 --> 1:06:55.120 huff and pneumonia occasionally, but it sure woke me up. 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:04.360 Where do Lamar and Allen and ranked just as quarterback talents? 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:11.840 What an interesting question? Top fifteen sounds right like if 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:15.800 I were ranking just quarter just raw talent. 1:07:18.000 --> 1:07:18.680 Quarterbacks. 1:07:18.760 --> 1:07:22.439 Ever, that's what Yeah, that's what they're saying, saying all time. 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:30.800 Mahomes Rogers are to me the top two. 1:07:32.320 --> 1:07:36.120 Lamar's got to be like top ten at least any 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:38.400 same thing. But I feel like both those guys, those 1:07:38.440 --> 1:07:41.120 are electric dudes as far as this talent like that, 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:41.840 maybe not one. 1:07:43.920 --> 1:07:48.840 Those are, Yeah, so I think safely so raw talent 1:07:50.400 --> 1:07:56.520 Mahomes Rogers, Farv has to be up there. Manning has 1:07:56.600 --> 1:08:02.000 to be up there. Uh. It's a compliment to Brady 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:04.000 that we're not even like saying him with all of 1:08:04.000 --> 1:08:07.960 his success, because you know, he maximized everything about his 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:12.440 physical ability. Marino's got to be up there. I always 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:17.240 have had a soft spot for Steve Young. John Elway's 1:08:17.360 --> 1:08:23.880 up there, and now we can start talking Lamar and Josh, 1:08:24.200 --> 1:08:27.439 you know what I mean. Like, so, yeah, the in 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:31.360 that bottom part of the top tens firmly in the 1:08:31.400 --> 1:08:33.840 top fifteen. I think that's right. All right, let's go 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:34.360 to Ethan. 1:08:35.080 --> 1:08:38.120 Ethan asked, as a poker expert who understands the principle 1:08:38.160 --> 1:08:41.920 of the plus ev. I'm curious if you take the 1:08:41.960 --> 1:08:44.880 same approach into sports gambling, or if you trust your 1:08:44.880 --> 1:08:47.120 own personal bias over sharp books. 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:51.639 I don't look at I don't look at sports betting 1:08:51.680 --> 1:08:54.160 the way I look at poker. Just for the record, 1:08:54.439 --> 1:08:57.240 like I don't. I don't, while I do try every 1:08:57.320 --> 1:09:02.120 year to give out winners and and to you know, 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:08.360 make you guys money. I I am. 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:11.400 A little bit more conservative with poker. 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:15.040 No, I don't know a bit you No, I just 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:22.240 look at it like poker. I am trying to make 1:09:22.320 --> 1:09:28.880 the best decision at every point. Sports I have a 1:09:29.040 --> 1:09:34.640 very hard time betting against my takes, you know what 1:09:34.640 --> 1:09:37.960 I mean. I won't always bet on my takes, but 1:09:38.280 --> 1:09:42.320 like I it's why I'll I'll never even if I'm 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:45.160 getting points bet against the chiefs. You know, what I mean, 1:09:45.240 --> 1:09:48.320 so like, there are just certain things that so that's 1:09:49.000 --> 1:09:52.439 but I also I and I this is how I 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:55.479 would recommend it for other people look at sports betting 1:09:55.560 --> 1:09:59.559 as a recreational endeavor, not like, hey, this is how 1:09:59.560 --> 1:10:03.360 I'm gonna make extra money. Poker's different in that regard 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:05.679 for me. All Right, let's keep going. 1:10:06.520 --> 1:10:09.680 Michael asked, is Jackson better than Prime Vig? 1:10:10.040 --> 1:10:15.000 Yes? Love Mike, but yes, Lamar is a far already 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:18.640 a far better passer than Mike ever was just you 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:20.960 know what I mean, He just is. And I love Mike, 1:10:21.120 --> 1:10:22.639 but that's I think Mike would tell. 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:26.519 You that next Indy, Nick, do you think that everyone 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:30.000 is just so skewed by fantasy football? Josh Lamar have 1:10:30.040 --> 1:10:32.800 been excellent fantasy quarterbacks, so people assume that they are 1:10:32.800 --> 1:10:33.679 the best. Yeah. 1:10:33.720 --> 1:10:35.439 I think that absolutely is something to do with it. 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:41.880 I absolutely think that the crazy fantasy numbers impact this. 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:49.679 M Noah, Yeah, no, no ass When is the Future 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:51.320 show going to happen sooner? 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:55.960 Yeah? So we have a show Thursday, then we're off 1:10:56.000 --> 1:11:00.479 for a week, and then the our Future in our 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:02.800 gambling show. It will probably be a two part thing 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.680 Tuesday and Thursday. 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