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Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving Nick Right? Episode three point fifty seven.

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Speaker 1: How you doing I'm doing well. Big week coming up

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Speaker 1: be unavailable, so you're on your own pal, but it'll

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Speaker 1: be great. So all that's going on, and I'm fired

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Speaker 1: up today. I'm fired up today because how do I

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Speaker 1: say this respectfully? People are either dumb or lying, or

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Speaker 1: just think that we don't have access to their previous

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Speaker 1: what it is, but I do know that I'm just

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Speaker 1: letting you guys know. Right now, we have eight topics

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Speaker 1: listed for today's show. Topics two through eight are going

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Speaker 1: might be bite sized because topic one could take a while.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, straight to voicemail again.

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Speaker 1: little seventy yard field goal. Two takes on this demands

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Speaker 1: A one that is now the record. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: There's the preseason. That's the record that should be in

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Speaker 1: the record books. And two I just up to the

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Speaker 1: Jags to eleven wins. I had him at ten, I

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Speaker 1: now got him at eleven. If you get to midfield

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Speaker 1: and you're in field, goal range. I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: you what a weapon? I listen, your guy, Chet, I

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Speaker 1: say this with respect. It's just he's got it. He's

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Speaker 1: got to grow up, like go ahead.

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Speaker 2: It was a little outlandish. But why is every guy

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Speaker 2: that's doing something like bad or not great? Why is

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Speaker 2: it always my guy?

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Speaker 1: I feel like you, I feel it's what I feel like. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the thing, do you or do you not? Feel like?

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Speaker 1: I have been too skeptical of Chet because I don't

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Speaker 1: like how skinny is. Were you or were you not

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Speaker 1: more pro Chet than me? So on this show between

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Speaker 1: the two of us, he's your guy. He's certainly my guy.

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Speaker 2: Anti Chet, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm not anti Chet either, but I'm getting there.

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Speaker 1: And also the Wilds was a big check guy. And

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Speaker 1: then and then Wild's read an interview with Chet where

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Speaker 1: they asked him about his favorite books and his answer

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Speaker 1: He was like, it was like, I've got this book

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Speaker 1: on Rolexes, which is just the pictures of Rolexes. And

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Speaker 1: Wilds came to the conclusion that Chet maybe has never

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Speaker 1: And now he's dressed like a seventies pimp and his

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Speaker 1: buddy's wedding not great and Ceedee lamb, this is like

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Speaker 1: funny because he's fine. Ceedee. Liam could have got legit

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm about that ref man, wait room.

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Speaker 1: I know the reps running full speed, probably running full

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Speaker 1: Steed runs into him. Yeah, and CD, you know, is

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Speaker 1: demanse It says, the first topic is asenine quarterback rankings.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead. Yeah, So a couple of.

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Speaker 2: QB polls came out quarterback rankings, whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: call him. So Bill Simmons debuted his quarterback pyramid, and

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Speaker 2: he had Josh Allen at the top. Dan Orlowsky came

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Speaker 2: out with a bunch of traits that quarterback should have

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Speaker 2: about six, that Patrick mahomes number one, and about the

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Speaker 2: same amount of categories as Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 1: So which one? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Zero?

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Speaker 2: So which one of these is enraging you more? Which

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's definitely Simmons's and we're gonna deep dive on

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Speaker 1: it because it is not lost on me that my

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Speaker 1: pal and I like Bill. Bill and I have a

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Speaker 1: good relationship. But it is not lost to me that

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Speaker 1: Bill Simmons kind of kicks off his full NFL coverage

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Speaker 1: with a podcast that debuts a quarterback pyramid and whose

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Speaker 1: main guest is Kevin Wilds. I'm not saying that Bill

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Speaker 1: that this was a direct shot at me, and you know,

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Speaker 1: trying to pull apart first things first, But I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying it wasn't. So I'll get to Bill in a second.

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Speaker 1: But on Orlofsky's thing, listen, I'm not gonna I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna argue with Dann obviously knows the quarterback position better

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Speaker 1: than me. I what I am gonna say is this

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Speaker 1: arm strength he has Josh Allen one, Patrick two, no problem.

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with that, and I actually think you

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Speaker 1: could be tricky with that one. There might be you

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Speaker 1: might be able to say Herbert could be ahead of

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Speaker 1: Patrick Hell. I don't know if Joe Milton's availed eligible,

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Speaker 1: like he could be like that just the raw arm

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Speaker 1: strength Josh Allen one is totally fine, no beef whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Then it gets dumb ball placement. Patrick Mahomes five behind

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow again fine, Jaden, Lamar and Josh. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good take. I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of people watch Lamar, Josh and Jaden and they're like

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Speaker 1: they can just put it where they want better than

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how much of Burrow's is

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Speaker 2: the fact that he has those Crazyr receivers. They're just gonna.

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Speaker 1: Well, No, I think Burrow is like dumb accurate because

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Speaker 1: he has to be because he's not very fast and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the strongest arm. So the way he

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Speaker 1: can be as successful as he is is like I

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Speaker 1: think Burrow would maybe win the contest of that net

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Speaker 1: drill that Caleb failed the other day if they did that,

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Speaker 1: but like made it harder and harder and harder. I

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Speaker 1: think Burrow might be my number one pick, but call

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Speaker 1: me crazy in that drill, I wouldn't take Lamar over Patrick. Again,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm a hater. Next one, we get to mechanics

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Speaker 1: where he lists ten quarterbacks and Patrick's not one of them.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you again, he has Lamar four. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I watched Lamar play quarterback, and I'm like, man, if

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Speaker 1: only Patrick had as clean of mechanics as Lamar does,

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Speaker 1: I do like I feel that way. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a good take the other ones. And again again like

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Speaker 1: the if Geno, Dak and Golf have better mechanics than Patrick,

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Speaker 1: then maybe mechanics are overrated. But mechanics didn't. Again, Patrick

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Speaker 1: didn't make the top ten decision making with the football.

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Speaker 1: Patrick came in stifth again I and then this is

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Speaker 1: the this is the one that really I couldn't. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't get over pocket presence. Burrow won, Lamar two, Patrick three. Okay,

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Speaker 1: like whatever, I'm not gonna I don't even I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what we're doing here. But fine, that's Orlowsky's list.

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Speaker 1: He has a more fine tuned I for quarterback than me,

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Speaker 1: I suppose I think it is. I disagree with some

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Speaker 1: of those, but that's not my real beef. My real

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Speaker 1: beef is with Bill, because Bill debuts his quarterback pyramid

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Speaker 1: and has Josh Allen at the top. And the problem

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Speaker 1: long and as successful a career as Bill Simmons has had,

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Speaker 1: and a career that so many folks, myself included obviously

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Speaker 1: literally grew up reading every single one of your sports

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Speaker 1: takes because Bill's column was must read for every sports

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Speaker 1: fan of my generation for more than a decade. The

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Speaker 1: that long of a career is earmuffs, kids, We remember

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Speaker 1: what you fucking wrote. And for fifteen years, Bill fought

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Speaker 1: tooth and nail against the idea that anyone would ever,

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Speaker 1: under any circumstances consider Peyton Manning better than Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: even though for the entirety of those fifteen years, Peyton

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Speaker 1: had a strong, a far stronger case to be considered

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Speaker 1: better than Peyton Manning. I'm sorry that. Let me back

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Speaker 1: that up. Peyton had a far stronger case to be

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Speaker 1: But let me just quickly, off the top of my

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Speaker 1: damn head, give you the Peyton versus Tom first decade

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Speaker 1: history win again a reminder, my pal Bill built part

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Speaker 1: of his massive empire on the take that Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: is better than Peyton Manning. If we go two thousand

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Speaker 1: Peyton is zero to two in the playoffs against Tom.

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Speaker 1: Tom has three championships, Peyton has none. Peyton has never

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Speaker 1: been to a Super Bowl. So even though Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: Peyton comes all the way back and wins the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: wins it beats Tom. The playoffs are now two to one,

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Speaker 1: Peyton wins the Super Bowl, and Bill, I think justifiably,

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Speaker 1: is still even though in that moment all pros Peyton

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Speaker 1: As zero, the playoff win loss record is two to one,

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Speaker 1: the rings are three to one. Bill is still strident,

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Speaker 1: steadfast correct. Tom's better, seemingly vindicated by the fact that

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Speaker 1: the next year Tom finally wins his first MVP, team

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure, and the playoff win loss record was

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Speaker 1: anyone had debuted the take, Peyton has passed Tom because

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Speaker 1: Tom didn't win the Super Bowl last year, Bill's head

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Speaker 1: would have exploded. And then, by the way, over the

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Speaker 1: next decade, Tom never beat Peyton in the playoffs again.

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Speaker 1: There was a brief time in Denver where it looked

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Speaker 1: then Tom went on that unbelievable twenty fourteen through twenty

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Speaker 1: Simmons has valued playoff performance, doing it in the biggest spots.

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Speaker 1: And if you've got the belt, someone's got to come

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Speaker 1: take it from you. So when I saw the clip yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Mike Sandos released his annual quarterback poll. This is voted

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Speaker 1: describe it. A Tier one quarterback can carry his team

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Speaker 2: Well, he kind of carries his divise.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he carries he carries his team while he's

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Speaker 1: four voters that didn't vote Josh and Lamar did vote Herbert.

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Speaker 1: And that's just stupid. I mean, that's just flatly dumb.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hurts, keep going on.

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Speaker 2: So as the Hurts debate put to rest.

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Speaker 2: Right after we said, we said Lamar got three after

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, after the Super Bowl year that they lost

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Speaker 1: That year, he got ten Tier one, thirty eight Tier two,

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Speaker 1: he got one Tier one, thirty three Tier two, and

428
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: sixteen Tier three. This year he got two more Tier

429
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Speaker 1: ones up to three, two more Tier twos, up to

430
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: thirty five, and down to twelve Tier threes, down from sixteen.

431
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: I think having Jalen Hurts listed as a Tier three

432
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: quarterback is stupid. I want to make that clear. I

433
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: think that now the description of Tier two. If you care,

434
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: a Tier two quarterback can carry his team sometimes, but

435
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: not as consistently. He can handle pure passing situations in doses,

436
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: and or possesses other dimensions that are special enough to

437
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: elevate him above tier three. He has a whole or

438
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: two in his game. I think that's a perfect description

439
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: of Jalen Hurts. I think the actual description of can

440
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: carry his team, but not as consistently, can handle pure

441
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: passing situations in doses, and possesses other dimensions that are

442
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: special enough to elevate him above tier three, has a

443
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: whole or two in his game. That to me, is

444
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: a perfect description. The hole is he has never proven

445
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: he can be a high volume passer that leads to

446
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: team and individual success. But everything else he does at

447
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: a super high level. And whatever demeriage you give him

448
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: on pure passing situations, the absolute cheat code of the

449
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: tush push that you know is unique to him. It

450
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: would appear when I say, cheak got that in a

451
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: complimentary way.

452
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, like that would be a cat like

453
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: that would that would elevate him.

454
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: That's elevates him.

455
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: Okay, what I'm saying, I was curious if.

456
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Speaker 1: You no, if you're gonna knock him for there's a

457
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: point Wilde's made yesterday, and he's right. If we're gonna

458
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: knock him for in third and nine, would you rather

459
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: have Matt Stafford then we have to give him more

460
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: for the fact that it's fourth and one. You'd rather

461
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: have him than any player in the league, right, Yeah?

462
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: But is that is that him or is that the

463
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: team combo?

464
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I do think the fact that he is

465
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: so strong and so tough and has mastered it, you

466
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like I saw Tanner McKee try

467
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: to do it in the preseason. It was ugly. We've

468
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: seen other teams, you know what I mean. So I

469
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: think it's you know, I think it's not all him,

470
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: but it's part of him, part of the team. But

471
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: with all that said, I the guys above him, I

472
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: can like Matt Stafford's number five on this list. I

473
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: love Stafford. Now. Is if Stafford's number five with an

474
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: asterisk because we're saying if he you know, if he's healthy,

475
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: that's totally fair. And if you want to say you're

476
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: gonna knock him because you know, Jalen gets hurt and

477
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: just you know, plays through, it's Stafford. Now, Stafford's played

478
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: through a bunch of stuff. But we are worried at

479
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: this point with his age of him missing time, so

480
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: be it. But I would rather have a healthy Matt

481
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: Stafford than a healthy Jalen Hurts. So I think Stafford

482
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: being ahead of him is fine. Jaden is tricky because

483
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: Jaden the sample size is just such good another year, right,

484
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: so you know what I mean, Like Jaden is it

485
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: was the greatest rookie season ever, but the sample size

486
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: is so small, and it feels like Jalen is a

487
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: safer bet. But Jaden has you know, Jayden has a

488
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: better chance of one day being number one on this

489
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: list than Jalen. Right, Herbert we've talked about. I think

490
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: having Herbert above Hurtz is an outrage. I think it's

491
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: I think that is just purely based on an idea

492
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: I would not have. And then barely ahead of him

493
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: is Jared Goff. I would rather have Jalen Hurts than

494
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: Jared Goff because I think they are very similar in

495
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: that under the right circumstances can be very dynamic and

496
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: a huge part of winning. But I think Jalen could

497
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: thrive in more circumstances than Golf. So I think Jalen's

498
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: toughness and running would translate better to a bad team

499
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: than Jared. So I think Jared on a bad team

500
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: plummet wild exactly and so and so I understand the

501
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: So if I were doing it, if it were mine,

502
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: and I know, I know that this is one where

503
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: I've probably kind of over the last six months flip

504
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: flopped a bit because at one point I said that

505
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: you can't like it's Mahomes Alan Lamar, and then if

506
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna say it's a big four with Burrow, it's

507
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: got to be a big five with Jalen. But even

508
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: when I was saying that, deep down, I was like,

509
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: but I think Stafford's better. So if I were to

510
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: just do the nick right rankings, pure just me who

511
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: I would like for this season, assuming health, Patrick, Josh Lamar,

512
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: Joe Stafford. I want to make sure I'm not leaving

513
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: anybody out, and then I would put in Jailing. I

514
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: would put in jail In at six, Jalen six, Jaden seven,

515
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Baker eight, and then it gets and then it gets

516
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: and then after that we could have a debate about

517
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: Herbert versus golf. But that's where I would you know

518
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, That's where I would have it, and

519
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: then after them, we have a debate about CJ versus

520
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: Love versus Dak and then obviously I'm gonna start elevating

521
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: my guys Caleb and Trevor, but they gotta prove the

522
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: and so that's where that's where I would rank them,

523
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: and I I think that is so I didn't think

524
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: any of these were crazy out of line. The all right,

525
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: let's go to Rogers.

526
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, do you want to

527
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: talk about Rogers going from tier one to tier three?

528
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: So I was shot that Rogers was tier one. Oh

529
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: so he so this has been wait what okay, So

530
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: this is what's interesting. So here is Rogers over the years.

531
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: So Rogers going into his final in Green Bay unanimous

532
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Tier one, obvious. I think he was the back to

533
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: back defending League MVP, unanimous Tier one. Rogers going into

534
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: his first year with the Jets thirty Tier one, twenty

535
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 1: tier two. That again, to me was fair. I would

536
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: have put in tier two because I thought his last

537
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: year in Green Bay, you saw the writing on the wall,

538
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: and you saw it in evidence by his stats. You know,

539
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: the team's success, a lot of that stuff, but he

540
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: was still just a year removed from being a two

541
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: time MVP going into last year with the Jets. This

542
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: was a very interesting looking back on it. Voting going

543
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: Demonse going into last year again where he was coming

544
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: off the blown Achilles, he got twenty three Tier one votes.

545
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: It's like, all, poor guy toar his Achilles and he's

546
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: gonna be fine.

547
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Right, He's gonna come back with a vengines, eighteen Tier

548
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: two votes, seven Tier three votes, and two Tier four votes.

549
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: I'd have to ask Sando, and I could probably go

550
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: back and read the article. I'm not gonna do it

551
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: right now live on the air. Was he the first

552
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: player ever to get multiple votes in four different tiers?

553
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: To get you know, multiple Tier one and Tier four votes?

554
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: So last year going into last year, I so he

555
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: ended up averaging out. That was interesting. Last year he

556
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: got more votes for Tier one than any other tier,

557
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: but he averaged out to a Tier two player quarterback.

558
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: And this year so weird.

559
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: Now the guy that gave him a tier he got

560
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: one Tier one vote this year too, by the way.

561
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: Oh I clicked the wrong thing. Okay, not so weird.

562
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: So this year he got one Tier one vote. That

563
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: guy's out of his mind. Yeah, I mean that's just idiotic.

564
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: He got sixteen Tier two votes. I can't call that idiotic,

565
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: but I disagree. Twenty seven Tier three votes, just where

566
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: I would have him, and then four Tier six or sorry,

567
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: six Tier four votes, which is folks that think that

568
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: he's just finished, right, but where he is as far

569
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: as in the hierarchy. So Tier three quarterbacks are in order, Kyler,

570
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: Aaron Tua, Trevor, Gino Nicks, Darnald May, Caleb, Bryce Kirk.

571
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: Those are the Tier three for me personally, the quarterbacks

572
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: I would rather have than Aaron, every single one of

573
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: the guys Tier one and two, so that's fourteen, and

574
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: then I would rather have this year Gino, Drake, Caleb,

575
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: Trevor Tua, and that's probably it, not Bo Nicks, not Kyler,

576
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: and not Darnald or Bryce or Kirk. So I would

577
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: have him closer to the middle of Tier three. Go ahead.

578
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: Apparently Rogers was actually number two and Tier two number

579
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: seven overall. Yeah last year, Oh okay, okay, that's.

580
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah last year, so he he that's what I was saying.

581
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: Last year. He last year, he got more votes, he

582
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: got more Tier one votes than any other tier but

583
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: because he also got like a four votes. He he

584
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: got you know, ding down and dropped to tier two.

585
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I would have him close to twenty.

586
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: They have him fifteen. The Kyler one's interesting because I

587
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: think having Kyler at the almost a tier two guy

588
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: and ahead of all those other guys, the young players

589
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: that you know you expect to pop, ahead of Gino,

590
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: ahead of Rogers, I think it is interesting. I mean,

591
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't. I just don't.

592
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: He's like low tier three.

593
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah to me is but maybe I'm low on him,

594
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: but I I just you give him credit because last

595
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: year he was able for the first time in four

596
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: years to play all seventeen. But I just feel like

597
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: at this point we kind of know what we're getting

598
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: from Kyler, and he's a player that.

599
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: Once you don't like him he's too small.

600
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: Well, there is that, but it's also true that once

601
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: you start seeing Thanksgiving decorations up at the stores, you

602
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: know he's not going to be playing well. I mean,

603
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: it's just who he's been for his career. He's good

604
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: for about the first half of the season, and that

605
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: to me is like, I don't know why that would change,

606
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: like the and so I think that I'm not as

607
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: high on Kyler. I respect the talent, but I care

608
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: You're right about this demonte. I care about raw talent

609
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: way less with very small players. I just do.

610
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: I mean that was like the best high school football player,

611
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: like ever a football quarterback.

612
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: Yea, the best? Yeah, I mean, no, he's the best.

613
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: And he was a hell of a college player as well,

614
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: and he's had moments in the pros. And maybe it

615
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: was as simple as high school and college seasons or

616
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: twelve games long. You know what, mark this down. If

617
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: we ever have another strike shortened NFL year, I might

618
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: bet on Kyler. They come back and they're like, oh,

619
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: it's only a ten game season plus the playoffs this year.

620
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: I might be a Kyler guy that year since but

621
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: that is, but for the time being, I would have

622
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: him low tier three.

623
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: Do you want to get to that last one or

624
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 2: I want to just the Oh yeah, what are some

625
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 2: quarterbacks you see in going up a tier this year?

626
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: And who are some quarterbacks you see going down a tier?

627
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 1: All right, so let me look at the full list again.

628
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 4: I've opened this thing up so many times that now

629
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: I've got I've got two tabs. I do this sometimes,

630
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: all right, So let me the so let me maximize

631
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 4: this so.

632
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: I can look at this better. I think that going

633
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: up a tier so gosh, this is a tough one.

634
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: I think that Caleb will be Tier two going into

635
00:46:52,840 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: next year. I think that Right will be off the

636
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: list because I think he'll be done. I think that

637
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: Perty will probably be Tier three. He's hanging on for

638
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: deer life in Tier two right now. And I don't

639
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: think the Niners are going to be excellent this year.

640
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: And I think that who do I think could jump

641
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: into Tier one? You know what I'm gonna I might

642
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Speaker 1: go all in on this team this year. Bake Show.

643
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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I think the I think the the Bucks

644
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 5: could have a monster offensive season and that I think

645
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 5: potentially could elevate Baker and especially if if Stafford is dinged.

646
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: You know, if Stafford. I think Stafford was very weird

647
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: for Stafford who had been Tier two demons for eleven

648
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: straight years and then this is the year he gets

649
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: elevated when he wasn't great last year's regular season. It

650
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: was awesome in their two platforms, but wasn't great in

651
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: last year regularly.

652
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 2: Jordan Love I love to tier I mean, but two

653
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 2: to one to two.

654
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: To one's hard, you know what I mean, Like, that's

655
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: the I am curious, Like, let me ask you this

656
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: and the answer might be none of the above, But no,

657
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna allow that. You have to say a

658
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: name of the four guys who were all either unanimous

659
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: or close to it Tier one, Patrick, Joe, Josh Lamar.

660
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: Who do you think is that most risk, most risk

661
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: to move down?

662
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: I think it'd be Joe Burrow, just because if they

663
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: don't make the postseason again this year, then so what

664
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Speaker 2: are you, like, what are we gonna say at this point?

665
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe it's the defense again that.

666
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: I agree, but I think it's for a different reason.

667
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that could move Joe down

668
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: is if he gets hurt again. And I think given

669
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Speaker 1: their offensive line and given his history, I think he's

670
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: the most obviously, of the big four, he's the most

671
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: likely to miss. Yeah, yeah, you know, and so I

672
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Speaker 1: that would be my answer. All right, let's talk shudor Tador.

673
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 2: He looked pretty good. I mean, he look fantastic, but

674
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: he looked pretty good for a quarterback. Went there and

675
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 2: did his thing. Head coach Steven Kevin Stefanski still hasn't

676
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 2: committed to Shador, So, uh, do you think that he

677
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: showed everything he needed to do to get the starting job?

678
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: What do you well? He's definitely not going to be

679
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: their Week one starter. That is gonna be Joe Flacco.

680
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't even think. By the way, if I were Shador,

681
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: I know he can't say this, I wouldn't even want

682
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: to be the Week one starter. Like I the the

683
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: Browns open with the Ravens and then they play I'm sorry,

684
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 1: the Brown's open with the Bengals, so I wouldn't actually

685
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: hate that because of the Bengals defense, But then they

686
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: go Ravens, Packers, Lions, Viking Steelers, Like those are not defenses.

687
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm interested in playing it right off, exactly right. And

688
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: I understand that the Browns just released their latest depth

689
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Speaker 1: chart and Shador is still number four. They did not

690
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Speaker 1: move him up at all. I don't believe it. I

691
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: think that Shadoor has now, if we are being fair,

692
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: he has taken it is now Dylan Gabriel who is

693
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: chasing Shador in the quarterback competition instead of vice versa.

694
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: Like the the you know the old adage you don't

695
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: lose your job due to end is total bs happens

696
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: in sports all the time. People lose their job because

697
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: of injury and because the guy who fills in for

698
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: you shows something he didn't have the opportunity to show before,

699
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: and so FLA. If Flacco is just entrenched at one,

700
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: which I think he is, Kenny Pickett was two and

701
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: is two on the late step chart. He's been hurt

702
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: the last couple weeks of camp. Doesn't look like he's

703
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna play at all, and there he didn't play in

704
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: their first preseason game. Doesn't look like he's going to

705
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: playing their second. Dylan Gabriel is three. Gabriel, according to

706
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: all reports on the ground, has been bad in practice

707
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: and was injured for the first preseason game. Shadores four.

708
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: He's practiced well and I thought made four very high

709
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: level throws in that game and really only made a

710
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: couple bad mistakes.

711
00:51:59,800 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 5: And.

712
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: So I think that is enough to where he should

713
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: have taken the lead on Gabriel, and the goal for

714
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: either of these rookies flatly needed to be beat out

715
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: the other rookie. So when at when Flacco inevitably gets benched,

716
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: I'm the guy they go to. Now, maybe they'll go

717
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: to pick it, but I think that would be asinine,

718
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: and so now I also think this Demanse. I think

719
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: Gabriel will and should start preseason game number two, and

720
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: then you know he can if he plays well.

721
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: And just get both of them half.

722
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: I think that's what we'll do. I could even see

723
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: him go, Demanse, quarter quarter, quarter quarter, you know what

724
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 1: they're thereabouts, like, I could see Gabriel playing then should,

725
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: or then Gabriel back in then should or that way,

726
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, You get more time with

727
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: starting caliber players, or you know, guys that are actually

728
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna make the team, or they each get it. But

729
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,720
Speaker 1: I now think Gabriel, I think Shador is now amongst

730
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Speaker 1: the rookies in pole position. And I also think that,

731
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: and this is why so I thought after the game

732
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: him saying something to Tony Grosey was totally fine. And

733
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: I think people don't recognize how common that is that

734
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: guys sang after games in locker rooms are in the

735
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: tunnel to reporters like, hey, what was up with that?

736
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: That has happened forever? That used to happen to me.

737
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: I remember Matt Cassel saying to a different media member,

738
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: we're both standing there when he realized that media member.

739
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: You know what, I think it was to Mark Carmon,

740
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: our friend whose birthday was actually yesterday. I think it

741
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: was to karm that he said to him, this is

742
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: your buddy about me. He's like, yeah, He's like, he

743
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: sure talks a lot of shit, doesn't He like did

744
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: not like some of the things I had said about him.

745
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 1: That's super common. So I have no problem at all

746
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: with Shador having that moment with Tony Grossi.

747
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 2: At this time, though, what you need to be worried about.

748
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: So here is the thing on that. I think the

749
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: smile and the laugh at the end made it okay.

750
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: And I think that like charisma and charm and a

751
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: great smile can really carry Yeah, and so like that

752
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: to me was fine. I thought the walk in was

753
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: a misstep. I didn't think it was a grievous error,

754
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: but I thought, I'm not asking you to be someone

755
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: you're not. But turned down the volume on literally on

756
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: the boombox, I guess and also figuratively. Now I understand

757
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: those were his teammates, not his entourage, but still, you're

758
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: the quarterback, the guy carrying the giant walking stick staff

759
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: in the boombox. I might have been like, can we

760
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: not do that? And if you really want to walk

761
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: in like that, maybe I'll go in, you know, a

762
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: little bit after you, because it's he is. If the

763
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: Browns won't elevate him on their real depth chart, then

764
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: he also wants another team to trade for, you know,

765
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: And so I just don't think that helps. But I

766
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: don't think it's a huge deal. You'd certainly rather him

767
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: play well and have an awkward pre and postgame, then

768
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: be perfect pre and post game and play port right,

769
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: go ahead?

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00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: No, I mean with that take, you were saying that

771
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: maybe he should show out for the Rams or maybe

772
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: the Rams look at him, because words like a mortal

773
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: chamber are being thrown around. Ye very serious. Yeah, I

774
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 2: don't know. So, uh do you think that's more of

775
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: a possibility now, like it's more serious.

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00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: I think that right now he's probably worth He was

777
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: drafted with a fifth. I think he's worth at least

778
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: a fourth, you know what I mean? And so, but

779
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't I think the Browns want to keep him.

780
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: I think Stefanski might be coming around if he wasn't

781
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: already there. And I think you had to be impressed

782
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: by how he handled himself. And how he played Uh

783
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: this Sunday? Was it Sunday? Saturday? Friday?

784
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: It was Friday Friday.

785
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Speaker 1: to Caleb. We talked enough Chiefs earlier, so we can

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Speaker 1: move on to Caleb if we can.

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00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams did not play it down in the preseason game,

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Speaker 2: and Ben Johnson is not worried about that at all.

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Speaker 2: He said and quote, there is no substitute for real

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00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: live bullets. I get that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: Not plays guys? So listen, I I think, and I've

810
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: said this on TV a dozen times, so I will,

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Speaker 1: you know, repeat myself here. I think in certain sometimes

812
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: you hear like, you know, to copycat league, certain things

813
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: should be copied. The way Andy Reid handles training camp

814
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: and preseason should be copied. The Chiefs every year are

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Speaker 1: sharper to start the year than most of the rest

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Speaker 1: of the league. Andy runs a tough training camp, they hit,

817
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: they have long practices, and Patrick plays in the preseason

818
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: and the starters play and they're ready to go. So

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: I would copy that, all right a lot. You know,

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00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, who I you know, I think is the

821
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: second best coach in football, does the exact op and

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: has for years, puts guys on ice and you know

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: that's that. So there's obviously not a perfect way to

824
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: do it. I would copy andies. With that said, everyone

825
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: is making this a Caleb story. Ben Johnson did not play.

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Speaker 1: They have four they left tackles not determined yet for

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Speaker 1: the Bears starting left tackle, so they played everybody who's

828
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: competing for that. There are other offensive line spots left guard, center,

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Speaker 1: right guard, right tackle. We know who the starters are.

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00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: Those guys played zero snaps. They're starting running back played

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Speaker 1: zero snaps. They're starting tight end played zero snaps, and

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00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: their three top receivers played zero snaps. If you are

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00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: deciding institutionally the starters aren't playing, then you obviously can't

834
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: throw Kaleb out there. Now, I canna throw Kaleb out

835
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: there behind your second and third string offensive line and

836
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: be like, all right, figure it out, buddy, now. Uh

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Speaker 1: Like Drake may played, he played through five passes. I

838
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: do think when you do it this way, it means

839
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Speaker 1: preseason game two Caleb should play a fair amount. And

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01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,800
Speaker 1: do I think that they are hiding Caleb.

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01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: No?

842
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: Do I think that Ben wants nothing but positive vibes

843
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: headed into the season, and after using the training camp

844
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: to kind of break guys down a bit, he wants

845
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Speaker 1: a little more time to build them back up before

846
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: we Before people see them. I do think that. But

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Speaker 1: do I think that there was that this decision was

848
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: based on how Caleb has played thus far this training camp.

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Speaker 1: I do not, And so I think that he had

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01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: made his decision on how he's going to play his

851
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: guys this training this preseason, and he's trying to stick

852
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: to it. Now we'll see how well that works. But

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01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: I I you know, Colin had a great take on this,

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01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: even though I disagreed with it, which is, let me

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01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: read you the exact caption of it, because I thought

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Speaker 1: good shams little sham's note that I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: you guys in a second as well. So here's what

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Speaker 1: Colin said, uh yesterday about Caleb. Uh gosh, don it

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Speaker 1: sorry here. Oh, when tech companies delay the release, it's

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Speaker 1: usually because you're still in the beta stage. Colin's way

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Speaker 1: of saying he's not ready for the bright lights, I

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Speaker 1: think that is probably too harsh, and I think that,

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Speaker 1: But I do think that the first month of the

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Speaker 1: season could be a little rocky. I do like the

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Speaker 1: regular season. I don't think he's gonna come off, you know,

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Speaker 1: flying out of the gate. Maybe he will, but I

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Speaker 1: think that I believe in Caleb's talent, and I think

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's very sharp offensive mind, and I think the

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Speaker 1: Bears patched their holes on the offensive line. So I

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Speaker 1: think they'll be fine, but I uh.

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Speaker 2: Not doing their best to make it the most fine

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Speaker 2: he could possibly be.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about the season. I mean again,

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Speaker 1: he obviously wants them to be as good as possible,

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Speaker 1: as early as possible. Maybe he's wrong, but he thinks

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Speaker 1: that this is the right path. We'll see. So Scham's

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Speaker 1: just tweeted. Wick Grousbeck will no longer stay on as

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Speaker 1: governor of the Celtics as part of the celtics six

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Speaker 1: point one billion dollar sale to Bill Chisholm. Playing had

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Speaker 1: been for Grousbeck to remain through twenty twenty eight. Chisholm

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Speaker 1: assumes governor title and the transfer will be finalized soon. Guys,

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Speaker 1: this is Cuban sells the team and he's like, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna run it though, and he's out immediately. Grousbeck sells

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Speaker 1: the team and it's like, no, but I'm gonna run

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Speaker 1: it for the next couple of years, and he's out immediately.

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Speaker 1: Jeanie Buss sold the team, and everyone's like, oh, but

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Speaker 1: she's gonna stay in charge for five years, We'll see

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Speaker 1: people tend not again. I am not over under two

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Speaker 1: business psychologist, and I don't run in billionaire circles. But

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Speaker 1: in my limited experience, people don't spend ten eleven figures

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Speaker 1: on something to not be in charge of it. It's

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Speaker 1: just not People don't buy a sixty dollars video game

894
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: to not play it. They don't buy a six billion

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Speaker 1: dollar basketball team to let someone else make the decisions.

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Speaker 1: And so I was skeptical when I saw Cubans say

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Speaker 1: it years ago. I was even more skeptical when I

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Speaker 1: saw what Grusbecs say it. And I am extra skeptical

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Speaker 1: about Genie Buss running the Lakers for five years after all.

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Speaker 2: Of this for under two though two years.

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Speaker 1: Oh Demonse, wait, look at this throw it on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Packers quarter Jordan Love is undergoing a procedure on a

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Speaker 1: ligament issue with his left thumb. A left thumb suffered

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Speaker 1: the injury in Green Bay's preseason opener. The team is

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Speaker 1: hoping Love can return to practice next week, and the

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Speaker 1: Packers are expecting to be ready for the regular season opener.

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Speaker 1: Left thumb is not as much of a concern, right,

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Speaker 1: A surgery on the right thumb would be highly concerning.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, As I've said before, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't trust insider injury reports. Every every surgery's out

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Speaker 1: of schedule. Every body avoided disaster, Everyone's gonna be ready

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Speaker 1: week one. I just I have a hard time digesting it.

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Speaker 1: Anybody seen Najieris. I saw a picture of Najiras. Looks

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Speaker 1: like he can't open an eye, and so I I

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Speaker 1: just know for real that picture of Najieras was scary looking,

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Speaker 1: looked like he really hurt his eye with the fireworks,

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Speaker 1: and so I just I hope he's fine because last

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Speaker 1: year got a little derailed. Is too strong. Last year

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Speaker 1: got off to uh, he didn't have the year a

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Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was gonna have, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people thought that was because he suffered that

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Speaker 1: injury early on. All right, Demanta, let's go to the

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Speaker 1: listener questions.

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Speaker 2: T asked, where do you think Alan Lamar rank all

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Speaker 2: time right this moment? Just his quarterback talents, I'd say

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Speaker 2: both top fifteen side question, are the smelling salts going

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Speaker 2: to ruin? Your life.

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Speaker 1: Smelling salts are not going to ruin my life. But

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Speaker 1: you know, strong recommend if people haven't tried him yet,

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Speaker 1: especially if you're like maybe trying to kick caffeine or

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Speaker 1: something like. I haven't read into the potential downsides of

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Speaker 1: huff and pneumonia occasionally, but it sure woke me up.

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Speaker 1: Where do Lamar and Allen and ranked just as quarterback talents?

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Speaker 1: What an interesting question? Top fifteen sounds right like if

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Speaker 1: I were ranking just quarter just raw talent.

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Speaker 2: Quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Ever, that's what Yeah, that's what they're saying, saying all time.

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Speaker 1: Mahomes Rogers are to me the top two.

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Speaker 2: Lamar's got to be like top ten at least any

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Speaker 2: same thing. But I feel like both those guys, those

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Speaker 2: are electric dudes as far as this talent like that,

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Speaker 2: maybe not one.

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Speaker 1: Those are, Yeah, so I think safely so raw talent

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Speaker 1: Mahomes Rogers, Farv has to be up there. Manning has

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Speaker 1: to be up there. Uh. It's a compliment to Brady

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Speaker 1: that we're not even like saying him with all of

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Speaker 1: his success, because you know, he maximized everything about his

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Speaker 1: physical ability. Marino's got to be up there. I always

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Speaker 1: have had a soft spot for Steve Young. John Elway's

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Speaker 1: up there, and now we can start talking Lamar and Josh,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, so, yeah, the in

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Speaker 1: that bottom part of the top tens firmly in the

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Speaker 1: top fifteen. I think that's right. All right, let's go

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Speaker 1: to Ethan.

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Speaker 2: Ethan asked, as a poker expert who understands the principle

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Speaker 2: of the plus ev. I'm curious if you take the

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Speaker 2: same approach into sports gambling, or if you trust your

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01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 2: own personal bias over sharp books.

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Speaker 1: I don't look at I don't look at sports betting

961
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Speaker 1: the way I look at poker. Just for the record,

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Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't, while I do try every

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Speaker 1: year to give out winners and and to you know,

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Speaker 1: make you guys money. I I am.

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Speaker 2: A little bit more conservative with poker.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know a bit you No, I just

967
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: look at it like poker. I am trying to make

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Speaker 1: the best decision at every point. Sports I have a

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Speaker 1: very hard time betting against my takes, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. I won't always bet on my takes, but

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Speaker 1: like I it's why I'll I'll never even if I'm

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Speaker 1: getting points bet against the chiefs. You know, what I mean,

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Speaker 1: so like, there are just certain things that so that's

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Speaker 1: but I also I and I this is how I

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Speaker 1: would recommend it for other people look at sports betting

976
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Speaker 1: as a recreational endeavor, not like, hey, this is how

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make extra money. Poker's different in that regard

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Speaker 1: for me. All Right, let's keep going.

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Speaker 2: Michael asked, is Jackson better than Prime Vig?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Love Mike, but yes, Lamar is a far already

981
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Speaker 1: a far better passer than Mike ever was just you

982
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, He just is. And I love Mike,

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Speaker 1: but that's I think Mike would tell.

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Speaker 2: You that next Indy, Nick, do you think that everyone

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Speaker 2: is just so skewed by fantasy football? Josh Lamar have

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Speaker 2: been excellent fantasy quarterbacks, so people assume that they are

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Speaker 2: the best. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that absolutely is something to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely think that the crazy fantasy numbers impact this.

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Speaker 2: M Noah, Yeah, no, no ass When is the Future

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Speaker 2: show going to happen sooner?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So we have a show Thursday, then we're off

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Speaker 1: for a week, and then the our Future in our

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Speaker 1: gambling show. It will probably be a two part thing

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Speaker 1: Tuesday and Thursday. Next week to get us ready for

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Speaker 1: football season, right in line with predictions week on First

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Speaker 1: Things First, and Diego says has snakes enthusiast Kevin Wild's

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Speaker 1: weight in on Demanse's reptiles. That's a good that's a

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Speaker 1: good First Things First joke, and I appreciate it all right. Reminder,

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. We will be back right here on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: to a Volume and Blue Duck in Demons, and I

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Speaker 1: will see you guys. I'm on with Colin in about

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Speaker 1: an hour. See you guys. Then we'll trade