WEBVTT - Fash Backlash and How We Save our Democracy 0:00:02.920 --> 0:00:06.320 You're listening to waiting on reparations production. I heart radio 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:13.440 check microphone check up, Mike, Mike check, microphone check up, Mike, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:20.200 Mike check, microphone check up. Yo, yo yo. These right 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:22.959 wingers must have odied off that mountain do. I saw 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:25.000 it on the news. They was all angry. They were 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:28.080 shouting to was waiting for the shot first, was wondering 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.000 who shot first? Was Helen White looking like a kid 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:33.760 rock concert? Now how you beat the every man with 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:37.280 them tickets? You still Lookford, y'all? Kada Larvin and trying 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.000 to start a civil war? Oops, my ship, that's the 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.120 no fly list. No cry bitch. Nobody likes you when 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.320 you do trees and after night shift. I need them reparations, 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.680 but I'm waiting for impeachment. Say black lives matter. Then 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.680 they tell you we the Heathens were half the country 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.480 really needs an intervention because they want to go and 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.840 started insurrection. Tell me what the fun Good Morning to 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.640 twenty one. Can't wait to see how I'll be threatened 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.319 when the insurrection is turned. They yes on the general 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:11.280 electorate a healthy recipe of heckling my vesperis and trespassing. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.000 I'm like I'm emper annoyed, but it's my specialty. I 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.040 don't even know if I need to say it. Extra sweeter, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:21.160 extra quiet in the background, because these white clowns they 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:25.000 about to come for the Blacks. Now, I ain't really scared. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.880 I'm ready for war, just like they were yelling when 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.640 they were knocking on the Capitol doors, sing about seventeen 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.600 seventy six. Like we've seen this happened before, only up 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.560 to left this pushing back on the fen beforce or 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.440 rolls let me running kit in two and I'm telling you, 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.240 I can't take it no more. Not you gotta strike 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.640 them down, gotta show almost really up because otherwise they're 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:52.120 coming for us. They're coming for us. Hey, my name's 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:58.280 Dope Knight and we are waiting on preparations. Hey, what's 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.880 going on, everybody? So again we're doing it to y'all. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:08.880 We've switched out the episode topic today. We did mention 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:13.240 it on Facebook and Twitter yesterday, so if you follow 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.440 us on those then you'll know that we switched up 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.600 what the episode was supposed to be. But what we 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.600 were going to do and what we've been teasing for 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:24.200 the last two weeks is we had this uh plan 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.960 to do an episode that was about like the black 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:33.640 experience and nerd and geek culture and discussing the lines 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.240 and ties between hip hop and comic books and hip 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.000 hop and anime and afro futurism and you know what 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.399 I mean. We have like a really dope b ass 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.919 interview with Mega Ran and it's awesome and we have 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.400 it and it's together, and we would love nothing more 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.320 than to share it with you guys because it's like 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.799 kind of fun or it's a lot of fun, and 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.040 we're looking forward to it. But just as we handed 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:02.240 in our episode last week, is when the siege at 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.720 the Capitol happened and we didn't get a chance to 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.760 talk about that, and UM, as we were thinking about 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.040 what to put out this week, it just kind of 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:15.280 felt weird to like, you know, not address what's on 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.359 both of our minds, particularly in like context for like 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:24.120 my experiences of that day. UM. I was sworn into 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.600 my first full term as Commissioner that afternoon, and as 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.640 images started to emerge from d C of the Capitol 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:35.680 being stormed, UM reports circulated about Secretary of State Brad 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:40.800 Raffensburger being evacuated from the state Capitol. UM as you know, 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:45.040 high ranking neo Nazis gathered outside and we're patrolling the 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.360 halls looking for him. UH as a person that has 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.200 like received the violent ire of the right wing UH 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.720 at numerous points in my public service, I was like, hey, yo, 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:58.480 is it really safe for us to be having this 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:03.120 swearing in ceremonialside side uh and UH. I found that 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:07.160 a lot of my fellow elected kind of like didn't 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.600 understand why that would like be a serious thing. Like, yes, 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:13.800 we are an hour and a half north of the 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.520 of the state capital and perhaps would not be as 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:20.440 visible a target for the kinds of groups that were 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:24.360 gathering in both our nation's capital and our state's capital. UM, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:30.520 but nonetheless opportunities to target like left wing politicians, UM 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:37.000 emboldened in recent days by rhetoric from UH, various congressmen, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.640 right wing pundits in the president himself, like, you might 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.240 as well just be as careful as possible. But in 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.480 this aftermath, you know, I had a like private ceremony 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.640 inside the city hall. Meanwhile, my like colleagues did their 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.800 things to you know, in front of a crowd outside 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.400 on on the city hall steps. UM. It got me 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.320 thinking a lot about you know the importance of pretty 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:05.320 much everyone speaking out and pushing back against UH, like 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:11.360 these emboldened fascists like UH the way that some folks 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.880 like feel like it's not their business, it's not their problems, 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.960 not there like sphere of influence, UM. And that's you know, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.480 the way that many corporations have operated for the last 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.240 four years. That's the way a lot of like businesses 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:26.600 and others that have ties to these folks have operated 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.640 in the last four years. And that's how we got 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.160 here in the first place. And so folks aren't like 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.520 standing up now to say something like this is only 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:36.720 gonna happen and and indeed is like you know, looking 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:42.560 like additional UH actions, armed groups will be gathering in 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.640 stay capitals in our capital UM in like the coming 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:50.200 days or weeks. And so it's just something that's been 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.280 on my mind a lot, like what are what is 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:56.840 our responsibility as UH folks involved in governance in this 0:05:57.080 --> 0:06:02.359 moment um? What is our responsibility as like activists involved 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:07.280 in like community organizing and like community self defense if 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.200 necessary in this moment? And so I just like kind 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:11.720 of had that on my mind. I wanted to talk 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.000 about that a little bit today We've got some songs 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:19.600 about rioting and civil unrest for the music discussion, and 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:21.480 we'll have that a little later on. We're going to 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.240 be joined once again this week by former deputy campaign 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:28.240 manager for Daniel Blackman, policy analyst, student of political science 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:34.160 at Georgia State, and general badass organizer Paul Glaize, and 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:42.920 we will have all of that for you after the jump. Okay, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.320 So to give a quick little recap of what went down, 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.320 as if most of y'all listening don't already know. So, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:56.120 last Wednesday, they had one of those Trump Stopped the 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.960 Steel rallies on Pennsylvania Avenue in d C. And the 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:06.880 President riled up the crowd into storming the moving their 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:13.960 quote unquote protests from Pennsylvania Avenue to the nation's capital. 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:20.920 Um a combination of Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump Jr. 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:26.080 And some speeches days leading up to General Flynn, they 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:31.080 were ginning up their supporters to act out. It was 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.520 kind of obvious to everybody that this was going to 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:37.040 be something big and something that would probably turn violent, 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.840 and that's exactly what happened when hundreds, if not thousands, 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:45.200 of Trump supporters decked out in full Trump gear, some 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.680 of them full Camo body armor, vest weapons, bear spray 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:54.400 flash bangs. They stormed the capital, forced their way in, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:08:00.880 ransacked the place. Uh, and just general, we caused chaos 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.000 and there's a lot of chaos and confusion now where 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:07.120 we stand now, almost a week removed from that situation. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.320 There has been no official federal report put out, but 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.840 the stories being pieced together through good reporting and reviewing 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:18.880 of the hours of video that was taken at the day, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.160 and it's painting a picture that is quite disturbing and chilling. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:29.560 It's a picture of extremely organized, extremely planned right wing 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:35.719 militant operation that was coordinated with by sitting members of 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.839 Congress as well as notable figures in the right wing 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:44.240 media space. And the end result was what we all 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.360 saw on the television screen, as well as five people dying, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:52.199 including a Capital City police officer UM, numerous people and 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:58.760 police officers injured, and a somewhat tepid response by the 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:03.800 federal government in terms of putting down said riot or protests. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:11.040 So initially, you know, with my co host and and 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.400 friends being a city official like you were on my 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.559 mind a lot that day, and I know you're just 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.600 talked about you know, having to go through the swearing 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.839 process during while all that stuff was going down, Like 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:29.079 how just how did you feel like about just doing it? 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:30.600 Like did you feel like you just kind of wanted 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.000 to call it a day and maybe not go through 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.880 with some of that stuff, with everything that was going on. Well, 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.600 at my first swearing in ten, I set a new 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:41.280 precedent for the city in holding my swearing in on 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.640 the city Hall steps and inviting the public to join in, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.240 because I felt it was really important to invite people 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.280 into our political processes by just like you know, you know, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.680 instead of having it in the basement where no one 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.720 can see, Like, hey, this is how this process works. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:56.280 If you want to stick around after, you can come 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.040 to our commission meetings and see what're were voting on. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.439 And maybe this is the first time you ever sat 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.520 in the commissi in chamber, maybe it's the first time 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.360 you've ever heard us speak on issues at a voting 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:06.640 meeting and sort of like making it fun and making 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.839 it inviting and inclusive. And so it was honestly just 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:16.120 like a little sad this time to like to not 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.760 be able to take part of in that like safely, 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:24.239 Like I was reassured in the you know, hours beforehand 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.520 that there would be UM Athens, Car County police you know, 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:32.920 heavily patrolling the area and monitoring downtown for any UM threats. 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.640 But as we know now like that, and as I 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:39.199 felt then, like that doesn't really make me feel a 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.560 ton better when we know that, like off duty police 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:45.360 officers were some of those that were involved in the 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:51.319 storming of the capitol. Um that uh, there was the 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:56.800 conflicting messages being sent by you know, officials about what 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:00.600 sorts of response or presence UM like that National Guard 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.560 and other indies should have on the ground in DC, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.960 and so like kind of like awareness of the disparate 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:14.520 responses um different kinds of political action and political discent 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:20.400 h received from law enforcement, I'm like, I don't really yeah, yeah, 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:22.160 Like if we're ting to if we're in the like 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.920 snipe snipe me off of the roof of the parking 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.920 deck across the street, I really don't think there's anything 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.079 you all gonna do about it. And so we got in, 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.480 we got out, got it done. It was very different 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.120 from the first time I was sworn in, and for 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.400 that I felt a little bit sad, But ultimately we 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:38.520 like went into the meeting and you know, did our 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.760 thing to show the people that in the face of 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:47.200 like threats of violence and instability, Um, like, the government 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.800 still gets its shipped done. You never really entertained the 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.640 idea of like yellows cancel this ship today. I mean, 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.960 like continuity and in stability of government in the face 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.360 of like unrest is of critical like for us to 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.000 not show that we're scared or thrown off by you know, 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:05.679 that's what they want. They want, they want to distablize 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:09.320 the government. The best thing that that the greatest gift 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.400 we could have given to them was canceling our voting 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.080 meeting that night. So I was like, see, oh look, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.880 if we you know, threaten them, if we don't even 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.719 threaten them with thretain people, you know, hundreds of miles 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.880 away at the capitol, that's enough to see to it 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.640 that poor people can't ride the bus for free, or 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:26.400 they're not voting on these things that are going to 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:30.160 make lives better for like the working class and like 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.679 people of call her, etcetera. So um, there was I 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.200 you know, I had to be sworn in in order 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.719 to do my votes that night, and so there was 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:38.199 no question in my mind that like we gotta do this, 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.040 you know, we gotta make this happen. Well, yeah, I 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.400 mean bringing up it's good that you bring up that 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.719 concern about the police, because you know, I mentioned how 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:50.000 they've got all these police officers on camera being welcoming 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:55.960 to the rioters. There's like motherfucker's giving people hugs, taking selfies. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.520 You know what I'm saying, like leading the way and 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.400 from you know what I've been hearing today is the 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:09.000 situation is even more so like dire because they're starting 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.480 to suspect that some of this has infected the Secret 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.400 Service as well, so they're having to reassign members of 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.839 the Secret Service who have been part of the Trump ecosystem. 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:20.839 So there was a story a couple of years ago 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:26.120 about Secret Service members staying in Trump hotels like the 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.000 fancy pent houses and stuff, and it costing the government 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.720 hundreds of thousands of dollars. Well this is this is why, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.720 because now there's like apparently like a loyalty sect built 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.480 into the Secret Service. So they're gonna have to at 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:42.119 the inauguration, they're going to have to have counter snipers 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:46.360 to watch, you know what I'm saying, The police Secret Service, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.640 like because they don't trust them as far as with 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.839 Biden security and stuff. You know, if I was just 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.079 about to say, if you're of a certain age, but 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.920 that's not even really necessary. It's like, if you are American, 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.960 chances are you've never seen any ship like this before. Um, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.040 just in terms of what's going on with the government, 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.560 this whole threat of like a fascist takeover and ship 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:15.760 like that. For the libs out there, the the worst 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:19.840 case scenario that you're imagining of how like a fascist 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.200 takeover of the USA would be like pretty much if 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:30.200 you were black before nineteen, like that's pretty pretty much 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.160 was your reality. So just imagine that. You know what 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:40.840 I'm saying, But that's that's what's gonna go down. We're 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:44.320 gonna be joined right now by our homie Paul Glaze, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.720 and I wanted to get some of your initial thoughts 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.880 about what went down, Paul. So the first thing would 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.400 just be that right now, as we're recording this, it's 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:58.720 been reported that UM armed protesters quote unquote are are 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:02.800 gathering and surround in the Texas state capital UM right now. 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.920 UH guns have been banned on the grounds of the capital, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.040 and like, look, I got family from Waco. And I 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.600 gotta tell you, you gotta be pretty fucking out there 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:17.960 before anyone in Texas bans you from having a gun 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:22.240 on you. Like that's foundational to their culture. Um. You know, 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.400 we've known for years, We've had reports for years of 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:29.720 white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement. UM. The FBI UM, 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:33.120 just a couple of days ago declassified yet another report 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.800 that had not been public as of yet, saying it's 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.200 worse even than we thought. UM. They also today released 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.960 that there was an FBI office in Maryland, UM that 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.000 actually used the words these people are coming to war 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:56.120 about the d C mob. UM. I mean, like I 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:58.640 feel like we right right now, we're still in that 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.440 like liberal media debate over what word do you use? 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.480 Like what what what do we call these people? Do 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.080 we call them a mob? Do we call it a riot? 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:09.000 Do you know what do we do with this? Um? 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.040 And you know, at the end of the day, like 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.240 these are Nazis, And you know some people don't like, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.560 you know, using the word Nazis or whatever. People cry 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.680 about it, take cruises on Twitter crying about it. These 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:28.920 motherfucker's literally we're like wearing Auschwitz hoodies, Like they literally 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:33.360 said six million Jews were not enough, you know, like 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.840 that's those are the people that we have out here. Um. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.680 And I think it's really interesting that you know, we're 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.440 recording this here in Athens, Georgia, you know, and in 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:46.360 North Georgia, in Northeast Georgia specifically just north of US 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:50.880 is where a lot of the organized white supremacists in Georgia, 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:56.400 you know, reside, live, organize. UM. But those aren't really 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.760 always the people you see at these things. Like the 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.640 first person we knew from Georgia, it was at them, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.440 you know, it was at the capitol, was like a 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.119 doctor or a lawyer from Alpharetta, you know. So like 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.280 I think what's really I think what's causing a lot 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.560 of the panic right now is that a lot of 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.320 white people in America have been able to live under 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.480 the fallacy that this was like a yokel problem. And 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.000 for years, people like myself and people that organized in 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.120 rural spaces, in a rural light spaces have been saying, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.680 you're really really obfuscating the problem when you put this, 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.399 when you make the you know, the maga hat stereotype, 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:40.600 this trailer trash white guy from the middle of nowhere, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:45.240 because like like those weren't the Nazis. Like the Nazis 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:48.240 were the people that were like emboldened and we're like, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.800 oh great, my posse's here. Now I can step up 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.199 and spend my money and take my ship. Those are 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.920 the people you have to worry about, UM. And those 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:01.120 people buying large start off when you know, when they're 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.399 when their family starts coming up, taking jobs like in 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.959 law enforcement, taking jobs in you know, like middle manager levels, 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.440 like those are the people that you really really have 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.479 to be more concerned about in the long run, UM, 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:19.280 because at the end of the day, like Joe Dirt 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:26.640 from you know, uh Alto Georgia, UM really just kind 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.920 of wants to drink some PBRs and shoot some ship 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.920 in his backyard, uh and eat some barbecue and like, yeah, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.480 he's brainwashed like anybody else's UM, but he doesn't have 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.840 the organizing capacity to pull off something like what we're 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.560 looking at right now. You know, I've been seeing uh 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:49.200 in reading like think pieces and stuff about what exactly 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:55.159 is what exactly it is that we're looking at right now? 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.240 You know what I'm saying, like trying to find maybe 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:03.280 the socio economic roots of what that crowd was. I 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.720 kind of struggle to understand what the use of that 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:12.159 information is at this point in time. You know what 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:16.159 I'm saying, It just seems like that seems like an 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:21.960 academic concern for like history, you know what I'm saying, Like, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.240 after we're out of this point, then we can go 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.000 back and reassess this ship. But I don't understand what 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:32.119 the purposes, especially for people who are you know, of 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.000 the left or left leaning or whatever. I don't understand 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.520 what the purposes of getting to the root of that 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:40.680 or concerning yourself with that in this moment. You know 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.640 what I'm saying That it doesn't like it doesn't really 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:49.680 matter what percentage of that was economic anxiety, you know 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.320 what I'm saying, Like, because it's happening now, you know, 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.400 so it's like unless we'd unless somebody's talking about how 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.000 we deal with it or what we do to prepare ourselves. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.320 To be completely honest with you, it's like, I don't 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.960 really give a funk what you're talking about, you know 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:08.400 what I'm saying. We we we kind of discussed this yesterday, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.159 But for the last five years, this has been my 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:19.159 personal like subject of interests or concern where it's like 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.240 all of the policy things that I care about, and 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.720 the thing like all the all the progressive policy stuff 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.280 that I care about, that like I'm you know, ready 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.280 to argue and duke it out with the fucking liberal 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:36.320 or a neolib about For me, it's hard to even 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:41.600 get myself in that headspace because the overall impediment to 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:45.760 all those policy ideas is Republicans having power of any 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.720 kind and within the United States, it's just kind of 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:50.639 like for me, that's where I stand at this point, 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:55.400 is it's like my number one issue is Republicans can't 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.199 be trusted to hold elected office, So defeating Republicans at 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.680 all costs it out. And you know, perhaps saying that 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.879 three or four months ago might kind of seem like 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.040 a a live thing or you know what I'm saying 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.160 to do like now in the face of actual activated 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.440 you know, right wing movements, you know what I'm saying. 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.600 I don't see how that's like a illegitimate focus right 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:26.760 now because we can't get any of our ship that 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.120 we want done with these people standing in the way. Yeah, 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:32.480 I would agree that, like our immediate concern has to 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:38.119 be accountability and like crushing fascion m like unequivocally in 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.920 order for like us to move forward, and so like 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:47.720 overly being overly focused on what sort of policy prescriptions 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.200 are necessary to like bring this country together because like, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.720 and I say that because like I agree that it's 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:57.600 probably like the petite bourgeoisie or whoever that are actually 0:21:57.880 --> 0:22:00.480 you know, who have the organizing capacity to be pulling 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:06.320 off things like this, but like their causes gains legitimacy 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:10.280 through like millions of people coming out to vote for 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.160 someone like Donald Trump, which are you know a lot 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:15.879 of the I mean that a mixture of like you know, 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:20.040 well to do uh, white supremacists, but also like just 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:27.880 basic normal uh like dude that lives in mobile home 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:30.720 and you know, Northwest Georgia somewhere that dislikes to shoot 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:34.840 shit and drink beer like that, Like millions of people 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:38.959 going to vote for a fascist then like len's legitimacy 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.000 to like their claims of, oh, the election was stolen. Oh, 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:43.960 there's so many of us that like, if we rise 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.520 up and we take this through violence, there's there's millions 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.520 of people standing with us, and those people who do 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.680 have that economic anxiety that is driving them to vote 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:56.119 for fascism, like there there is policy work to be 0:22:56.240 --> 0:23:00.160 done to improve their material conditions such that fascionst them 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.720 is no longer appealing to them. But I think we're 0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:06.280 getting I think that, yes, we are getting like the 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.000 cart before the horse a little bit, and that like 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.359 all of our focus right now needs to be on 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.320 accountability and we can work out what polity needs to 0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.680 happen in order to like bring people together and like 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.000 bring people out of the murk and meyer that like 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:25.959 inspires there you know, desire for an authority, you know, authoritarianism. Uh, 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:28.159 Like we can get to that ship later, I hear you. 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.399 I just I know, like like if you if I 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:33.680 when I look at the pictures of that crowd and 0:23:33.760 --> 0:23:35.560 I try to just in my head to break it 0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:39.960 down and what percentage of it is what like I'm 0:23:40.000 --> 0:23:45.320 only willing to give myself like for economic anxiety, you 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.560 know what I'm saying of that was like, man, that's 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.040 economic anxiety. These people are in the up situations where 0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:56.000 they're um predisposed to falling for the Trump drift. I 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:58.000 get it, you know what I'm saying. But I do 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.320 think that a lot of this ship is in bad 0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.280 faith and a lot of it is purposely depending on 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:09.439 people being logical indecent and using that against against them. 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.399 I mean, I think we got to talk about who's 0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:15.240 economic anxiety because it's the it's like the economic anxiety 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:18.000 if the upper middle class as well, that we're gonna 0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:24.359 enact redistributive policies that like make it so that they 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:28.160 can't crush through the working class under their like still 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.640 atos anymore. Like it's not necessarily like the oh, I'm 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:35.040 fucking poor and like I'm at a you know, Mexicans 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.840 and black people for taking my job. It's I'm rich, 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.399 and I want to ensure that I can continue to 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:44.359 funk over Mexicans and black people by paying them seven. 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:48.280 It's those people. Yeah, I think it's also important that 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.040 like we can't I think it's I think it's it's 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:56.240 uh uh. I think we're already buying into the trap 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:01.399 when we talk about um falling for the ift, because 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.879 the fact is that white people have been comfortable living 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:10.199 under fascism since white people became white people. There's never 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:13.360 been a time where they actually shared power in any 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.840 kind of like you know, large scale cooperative way. It's 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:19.960 never happened. We've never done it. That's you know, like 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:24.359 just just being real. Like the places in which we 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:28.520 see people of color in power are places where people 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:32.440 of color are the majority and took power. Um. So 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.400 like I think I think that right there, like even 0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:38.080 just from the get go, is kind of a false framing. 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.359 I also think that when we get to it, there's 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:46.240 uh one of Bill Clinton's advisors, uh wrote a book 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:50.960 called You're Fired um last year. That's mostly schlock um, 0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:54.560 but it does have one really salient statistic that are 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:57.440 like fact that everyone should know, which is that the 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:02.160 first time that Democrats ever won a majority of college 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:07.400 educated white people was Hillary Clinton. That's the first time. 0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:10.800 It used to be up until I mean a little 0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:14.760 bit before that really, but up until Obama college educated 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:19.720 white mint Republican. That's it because college educated white people 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.720 had money, and we're out to protect their money. And 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.160 after the election, we saw a whole lot of people, um, 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.800 you know, try and push back on this narrative of 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.960 economic anxiety and all that, um by pointing out that 0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:39.520 his base by and large was actually fairly wealthy. I 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:45.320 do believe that the medium income for Trump supporters se Yeah, no, 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:48.399 it's up there, um. And what makes that I think 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:52.000 really salient? Um is that and I'm not this is 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.880 not some incredible insight that like Paul Glaze has given 0:26:55.920 --> 0:26:59.160 you right now, people way smarter than me, usually women 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.880 of color have said as before. But we're not looking 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:06.720 at at economic anxiety because of the economy. We're looking 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:12.080 at the d like in the chain of things of 0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:17.040 what begets power and what begets more money, whiteness used 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:19.720 to be the top, and whiteness is now no longer 0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.680 the top. Now it is just concentration of money. Concentration 0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:27.520 of money brings power now because of whiteness. The vast 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.840 majority of people with the concentrations of money are white 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.000 in our society, and therefore like that perpetuates whiteness um. 0:27:35.680 --> 0:27:41.960 But those benefits UM of whiteness outside of the incarceration 0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:49.080 state UM and outside of um really like as white 0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.800 people have fled the cities, then there's not a whole 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.040 lot of bases of economic power that white people can 0:27:56.200 --> 0:28:00.520 claim like via patronage um and so like, there is 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.000 economic anxiety, but it's not the same thing as like 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:08.040 the way we frame it. What can be done by 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.960 people on our side to help prepare for this moment 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.639 or what can they get into. I think that like 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:20.960 organizing community defense is important. UM, like having like a 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:25.920 discipline group of folks that are trained in defense of 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:30.760 various kinds that can provide rapid response to situation. Since 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:36.560 there is both a mistrust of law enforcement based on 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:39.880 what you know findings revealed by the FBI as well. 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.680 It's just like the their occupation of our communities and 0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:47.120 how that's eroded trust and law enforcement. UM. I think 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.160 that is like a necessary component of the work to 0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.800 be done moving forward. You know, we take care of us, 0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.680 but we gotta have like organized and disciplined folks that 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.760 like know their ship and know their community to do 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:05.040 that work. UM. I think that uh I was a 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:08.720 part of like a big push early in Trump's presidency, 0:29:08.880 --> 0:29:11.320 or people who are like contacting their lawmakers to like 0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.440 try to you know, delay the confirmations of various cabinet 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:19.080 members and pressure them around various points of policy. UM. 0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:21.520 And I think a lot of folks fell out of 0:29:21.560 --> 0:29:26.440 those habits, uh from a place of nihilism, of of cynicism, 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:30.240 of defeat. But now is a time to step up 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:33.520 and start pressuring those people again to step down if 0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:40.000 they were part of inciting last Wednesday's insurrection, of showing 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:43.040 support for the bravery of folks like Corey Bush and 0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.120 Jamal Bowen who as their first acts of Congress are 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.720 like seeking to expel or investigate like they're felt their 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.360 colleagues Like that takes some serious balls, I think, and 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:58.120 like kind of having their back, particularly as they could 0:29:58.120 --> 0:30:02.240 be made targets by the right uh in retaliation for 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:06.160 those efforts. UM. I think those are that's important work 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:10.000 to do. But from a citizen's perspective, that's those are 0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:12.080 the first things that come to mind. Even from a 0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:16.360 cynical perspective, UM, I think I don't always agree with 0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:21.160 killer Mike, but I think that, UM, black gun ownership 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:25.440 is incredibly important right now. UM and this is twofold 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.560 one because people got to defend themselves. But also from 0:30:28.600 --> 0:30:36.560 a cynical perspective, that's a m that gives people that 0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:40.560 have a vested interest in arming people UM who want 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:46.720 to do the community harm a stake in different communities. UM. 0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.960 And that's a really cynical, terrible thing to say. UM. 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.240 Right now, I would say the number one thing, UM 0:30:53.400 --> 0:31:01.400 would be establishing community UM uh emergency medicals UM. The 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:07.040 volunteers UM. There are some Israelis in New Year that 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:11.040 took a service from Israel to New York City UM 0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:15.480 where people it's basically like it's a volunteer emergency like 0:31:15.640 --> 0:31:21.120 UBER network essentially of UM of medical professionals UM and 0:31:21.320 --> 0:31:24.440 wherever you are UM. If you are, you know, part 0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:27.440 of part of the app attracts your location and prings 0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:30.719 the closest person UM and brings them in. And certainly 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.600 like that that kind of infrastructure is not available to 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:38.160 everybody UM. But if every neighborhood has one or two 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.360 people that they know, because like look in Georgia, we 0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.840 know that certain communities are overrepresented amongst our ends are 0:31:46.000 --> 0:31:50.960 are overrepresented amongst UM, the people who are providing most 0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:56.440 of the medical services in underserved areas UM. And we 0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.360 need to have a hotline for that kind of stuff 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:01.680 because maybe we can't afford to see the doctor. But 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.400 right now in Georgia there are no ICU beds. They 0:32:06.480 --> 0:32:08.640 do not they are all full, they do not exist. 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:14.440 Most hospitals are one third full of COVID patients. And 0:32:14.560 --> 0:32:16.760 they just found the first of the UK strain here. 0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:21.320 So that's only gonna get worse. So right, now until 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:26.440 you know, our senators elect can find whatever grift they 0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:30.360 gotta do to re establish all of our rural hospitals. Um, 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.920 then like that's a lifeline that has to be established 0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.960 as it stands there talking about sometime on the sevent 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:44.080 and like having a nationwide storming of the capitals, you know, 0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:48.320 as Paul just told us, they're currently around the Texas 0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:50.920 capital and they've got all their guns in their signs 0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.360 as they do, and all their stuff. But I mean 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.840 they've they've already we already as far as like the 0:32:56.360 --> 0:33:01.560 terrorism national security end of this, we've already seen their 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:05.560 tactics in their playbook over the last five years in 0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.280 terms of what actual how their terrorism is actually gonna 0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.400 take for him. I mean, they're definitely gonna do their 0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:17.280 nineties style Oklahoma City bombing type stuff. But let's not 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:21.120 forget Dylan Ruth happened after Donald Trump came down the steps, 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:26.200 you know what I'm saying. And um, the Parkland shooter 0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:30.680 was a Trumper and the other I forget it was 0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:34.040 that Texas church. I forget which incident that was, but 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.400 it was another one of those shootings back in that 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:43.000 guy was a Trumper. The party True of Life Synagogue, 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:46.840 the Christ Church in New Zealand. That guy was all 0:33:47.000 --> 0:33:50.320 right Internet trumper, even he was from Australia or whatever. 0:33:50.920 --> 0:33:55.040 Um and the dude who shot up the Walmart in 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.880 twenty nineteen. When you see these gravy seals and y'all 0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.000 kata talking about civil war, civil war, So none of 0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:06.600 these dudes are dreaming of like guerrilla style urban warfare 0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.520 with Antifa forces in the streets of Chicago. You know 0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.319 what I'm saying. They're just talking about. When they say 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:13.320 civil war, they're talking about I'm gonna shoot up a 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.120 game club, you know. I mean, A're gonna shoot up 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:17.359 a black church, and that's the strategy they're gonna use. 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:20.920 So it's all very strong in cell energy. So just 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.960 try to stay safe out there. I've been seeing the 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.960 thing I wanted to pick y'all's brains about this and 0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:30.920 see what y'all thought about this. The thing that's been 0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:33.719 the other things that's been bugging me about some left 0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.520 commentary on the situation at hand, is like I don't 0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.400 understand how we've you know, I've seen some people bringing 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:45.040 up the concern about the government's reaction to everything going on, 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.480 and some leftists bringing up, and I think is a 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:53.400 legitimate and good fair point about how like the FEDS 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:57.960 might be using this right wing extremism as an excuse 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:03.240 to do the military and adustrial you know, domestic surveillance overreach, 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.839 you know what I'm saying, Patriot Act two point oh, 0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:10.440 that sort of thing. And it's like, I totally understand 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:13.960 that as a concern. I just don't necessarily like the 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:18.360 framing that that is the expected reaction, you know what 0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:19.920 I'm saying, not at least it's not to me. And 0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:21.960 I totally could be wrong. And again we all have 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:24.880 to remember everything that I say is from the context 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:28.279 of somebody who did not live in the US until 0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:31.239 I was eighteen, you know what I'm saying, So take 0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:35.040 take that for what it is. But it seems to 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.640 me like the expected reaction, like federal government reaction in 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:44.560 the face of like a national rising right wing anti 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:48.040 diversity movement, would be to look the other way, as 0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:50.520 opposed to, oh no, we gotta stop this. I mean, 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:56.839 as a principal abolitionist, I have to I do share 0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:01.359 those concerns, and in the concern that we are continually 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:06.400 focusing on catching the problem once it becomes a problem 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.760 versus eliminating the conditions which can prise to the problem. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:15.200 And so expansions of the surveillance state, um, strengthening of 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:21.040 like laws against domestic terror things like that is serve 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.400 only to like to treat the symptoms of the problem. 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:29.080 And uh, I have some hope that you know, I 0:36:29.160 --> 0:36:33.000 guess Biden recently it was like, yo, I'm not gonna 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:36.920 be like beholden to austerity politics or something like that. 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:41.120 And you know, Bernie Terror of the Senate Budget Committee, 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.600 things like that, like we can get policies in place 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:50.960 that again like help stabilize our communities such that fascism, authoritarianism, violence, 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.719 things of this sort are no longer appealing, you know, 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:59.880 through years of struggle, um, for folks that we are 0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:02.080 we are now having to deal with on the back 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:05.800 end once they have already become problems. Um. And so 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.800 I'm not I don't get caught up as much in 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.240 the fear that like, oh, well, if we strengthened the police, 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:17.120 stay strengthened, you know, surveillance, give more money to the police, 0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.239 whatever the stuff will be used against the left, because 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.799 I think that, I mean, it's like, well, sure, um, 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:23.680 I'm not looking at this as a left right problem. 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.320 I'm looking at this as like, what what do we 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:30.680 actually what do we actually need to root out these 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:35.640 societal ills? And the FBI being able to better listen 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.800 into the phones of someone who's already a white supremacist, like, 0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:44.359 is the like that persons already white supremacist, you already lost, 0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.319 You already lost the game. I hear you. But as 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:51.520 from a I mean the the white supremacist end of it, though, 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.440 is just what tie they have, though, I mean that 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.200 from a law enforcement standpoint, that argument could be made 0:37:58.239 --> 0:37:59.840 for anybody, you know what I'm saying, for any like 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.680 organized group of people doing you know what I'm saying 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:07.160 some sort of like the thing that the only problem 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:10.319 that I have with that is is just a lot 0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:16.920 of the way that fascist operate is manipulating the language 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:20.359 and the argument of the left in order to make 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:25.680 their ship easily digestible, because they know that progressive and 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.680 left leaning, you know what I'm saying, like ship is 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:34.800 more more like more appealing to just the bigger, massive people, 0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:37.920 and they know that their ship is scary and fringe 0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:41.279 and crazy, and that people don't most people don't want 0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.440 to be associated with it, so they mask a lot 0:38:43.480 --> 0:38:46.640 of their arguments and ship like that. Like the Nazis 0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:49.799 weren't socialists, but they definitely put that name in there 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:51.880 because they wanted you know what I'm saying to to 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:54.520 to appeal to, like not seem like what they were. 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.560 And in that sense, we all know how the right 0:38:57.640 --> 0:39:02.239 wing utilizes, like, for example, the free speech argument, you 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.000 know what I'm saying, and they manipulate it, and they 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:09.080 manipulate like our genuine concerns about civil liberties and free 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:13.560 speech for to get out their propaganda when none of 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:16.799 them believe in that whatsoever. A couple of years ago, 0:39:16.920 --> 0:39:20.920 there was a video that was floating around of Richard Spencer, 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:24.560 famous Nazi, actually like having this discussion with a bunch 0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:26.279 of other Nazis. They were like, hey, guys, so we 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.440 don't believe in freedom of speech right, well, no, no, no, no, 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:30.279 just for now and then when we take over then 0:39:30.320 --> 0:39:32.880 though I feel like worrying about things like just in 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.399 the context of them, like worrying about like, oh man, 0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:40.080 it's really gonna suck if the government is overreaching and 0:39:40.200 --> 0:39:42.160 is cracking down on these guys, because they're going to 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:44.759 do that to the left. They're gonna do that to 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:48.399 the left anyway. If there's some big leftist movement that's 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.799 going on, like, there's not gonna be any response from 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.000 the government. It's like, let's crack down on the white guys. 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:54.680 We didn't crack down on the Nazi, so we gotta 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.600 leave it alone. Right, You're right, Let's that's not how 0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.560 that's gonna happen. They're gonna come down on us anyway. 0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:02.000 So it's just matter whether we're concerned about this or not. 0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:05.360 It's not that I don't think we need more. I 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:09.480 think that we're very clearly utilizing the infrastructure currently in 0:40:09.520 --> 0:40:16.520 place ineffectively by you know, classifying people, you know, like black, 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.640 like Black Lives Matter people, as like black identity extremists, 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:24.920 as opposed to like monitoring closely enough the machinations of 0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:29.759 the clue klux land So for exam so mac was saying, like, oh, 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:31.759 have any Black Lives Matter active has been put on 0:40:31.760 --> 0:40:33.800 the no fly list? Like, well, no, but now we 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.000 see folks that were starting to capital you know, they 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:38.280 can't get home and they're crying in the airport because 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:41.840 they can't get on a plane now. And so that 0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:45.080 is an example of using our existing infrastructure effectively. Finally, 0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:47.200 so not that we need more of it, is that 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:48.840 we have all the things in place that haven't been 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.480 used against these people before. So that's so, I mean, 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:54.759 that's another place where I stand on that issue. Yeah, 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:57.360 I tend to agree with Mariah in that. Um. You know, 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:00.880 in a perfect world, we would just be re prioritizing 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.040 people who pose an actual threat and like, you know, 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:10.359 intellectually honestly evaluating with the threat levels of different groups. Um. 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.080 But it looks it's kind of a Faucian bargain. And 0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.720 if the bargain is we need to increase the budget 0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:24.759 for these organizations, which again historically have been some of 0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:30.080 the major tools of oppression of indigenous and black power 0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:35.279 movements he domestically and internationally. Um, you know, if we 0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.000 have to give them some more money in return for them, 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.880 you know, like focusing where they need to focus, like 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:45.640 as a short term you know deal, I'm fine with that, honestly. 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.400 Like that's all right. Another big thing that is gaining 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.200 support with pretty much everyone, because if you just stick 0:41:52.280 --> 0:41:55.080 to the message, it's pretty hard to argue against UM 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:59.439 is a national registry of police Officers and law enforcement people, 0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:01.479 so they can't go from state to state or county 0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:04.560 to county, um and just get a new job after 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:07.160 they you know, bust a homeless guy's head open for 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:11.960 no reason. Um. But I think that if we're like, 0:42:12.040 --> 0:42:15.200 if you're an internationalist, then you kind of have to 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:19.279 look at this as are we going to prioritize are 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.839 we going to strengthen the networks that oppress us here 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.600 at home, or are we going to strengthen the networks 0:42:24.640 --> 0:42:29.600 that oppress everyone else everywhere else? Um? As you know, 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:32.480 like I I count myself as someone who tries to 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:35.800 have international solidarity. I tend to say I'll take the 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:38.759 people here, um. But also I have less skin in 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:40.759 the game. Um. You know, so it's not really my 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.320 place to say all the time. I think that the 0:42:44.719 --> 0:42:46.520 you know, the the real problem here is that like 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:52.480 the surveillance states already complete, Like what else? What else 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:56.040 do they need that they don't have? And if you 0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.360 can't answer that question, then then I I kind of 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.440 think that this is I agree with you Mac that, 0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:07.640 like it is disingenuous of people to say to use 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:11.480 the civil liberties argument to distract from the fact that 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:16.120 for the first time in US history. Um, except for 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.960 a brief spurt in the nineties. Uh, the FBI and 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.279 the CIA or whoever are actually looking hardcore at white 0:43:22.360 --> 0:43:25.640 militia movements and acting in a public way. But they 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.440 do they do track these people. The issue right now 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.040 isn't that they It's not that they don't track these people, 0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.920 it's that these people are now there's now a wide 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:43.560 enough base of um mentally disconnected, community disconnected white people 0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.839 that are willing to go while out in public as 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:53.160 opposed to concentrated cells of individuals. With the point that 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.120 you're making rise like and the point that you were 0:43:55.160 --> 0:43:59.680 making that the surveillance state is like already complete, You're right. 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:01.680 I don't think they need to do more. They just 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:04.080 need to reorder focus, you know what I'm saying In 0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:06.600 all fairness, I just I possibly don't know, but I 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:10.719 haven't heard anything about like Patriot Act two point oh 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.479 or like an increased budget for this or increased budget 0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:17.200 for that. I haven't heard of that. I just huh No, 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:18.920 I'm talking about now, like in like in the within 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.480 the last weekend show. I'm just I'm just saying, like 0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:25.360 what I've been hearing has been about a reshifting of 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:29.839 focus as far as like where the national security state 0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.440 is looking, because you know, it's a known thing. In 0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.680 two thousand nine, there was a study that was done 0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:40.360 that was warning, you know, in the post Obama being elected, 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.320 it was a you know, national security intelligence briefing that 0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:48.719 was warning of, Yo, right wing white extremism is going 0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:50.959 to be the what we're going to be talking about 0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.759 it like in the for the next coming decades. Let's 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.080 let's get on it. Let's make it a thing. Let's 0:44:56.120 --> 0:44:58.919 like put all of our efforts towards that. And Mitch 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.279 McConnell made a huge thing about it and was like, Yo, 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.759 if you bring this, if you bring any legislation up 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.160 out of this, we're gonna like scream bloody murder. The 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.200 same thing that they did with the Russia intelligence thing, 0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:13.160 where it's like, if you bring this up, we're gonna 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.040 scream bloody murder and say that, oh, they got the 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.439 black president and they're persecuting right wingers. This is about 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:19.360 this is against conservatism. You guys, aren't you know what 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.840 I mean? This is this you guys are persecuting conservatives 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:24.640 and stuff like that. In Obama bitched and backed out 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:26.880 and didn't do it, you know what I'm saying. And 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:31.440 ten years, fifteen years later, now we're eight years later, 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:36.400 we're in a place where uh, right wing domestic extremism 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:40.960 has killed more people than any Middle Middle Eastern Islamic extremism. 0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.800 You know. So what I've heard has just been a 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.520 refocusing of, Hey, maybe we should utilize some of the 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:53.600 surveillance state to like, actually, look at you know, motherfucker's 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:57.279 that actually posed like a threat well and as it 0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:58.960 and as you you know, look at what you were 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:03.080 talking about about, like ye, armed groups outside of the 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:07.080 US versus you know, white militias here and white nationalists, 0:46:07.239 --> 0:46:11.440 and like, like what what we're what we're looking at 0:46:11.480 --> 0:46:16.040 structurally is we're looking at a Republican party that has 0:46:16.080 --> 0:46:19.880 a couple of different factions, but is mostly the Christians, 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:24.239 the people with no government infrastructure, and people who are 0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:27.720 principally motivated by whiteness. Um. And then you have everybody 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:31.880 else who, to some degree or another, are either disgusted 0:46:31.960 --> 0:46:35.640 with the entire process um or are in the Democratic 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.880 Party UM loosely, you know, like the majority of the 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.160 country actually doesn't identify with the party at all. Um. 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:46.800 And you know, I do agree with you that just 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.759 because as like the quote like if if we're looking 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.319 at like if we're gonna I'm gonna use a gross 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:54.279 term and be like if we as Democrats, but like 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.839 if we as Democrats allow ourselves to get bogged down 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:02.680 into quote like like in party fighting, then we're kind 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.879 of missing the point because regardless, we have to break 0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:08.520 the back of whiteness, and we've gotta break its back 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:13.520 in our hardcore way. And then when everyone are like, 0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:15.920 you know, like I'm here, here we go, and I'm 0:47:15.920 --> 0:47:18.560 about to say some ship that like Trumpers, would you 0:47:18.640 --> 0:47:20.520 know absolutely say like, oh see if we told you, 0:47:20.640 --> 0:47:22.879 we told you that they believe in this, like yeah, 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:27.799 when they are dependent upon government for jobs, then they're 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.719 gonna be much less willing to go do funx shit. 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.520 And I don't like that. That's my people, that's my community, 0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.160 that's my family. But at the end of the day, 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:42.040 when left to our own devices, we have proven to 0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:47.520 be murderous to literally everyone else on the planet. So like, 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:48.880 at the end of the day, we either got a 0:47:48.920 --> 0:47:52.400 contextualize this within within the entire arc of white society 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:57.120 and white quote unquote civilization, or we can you know, 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.640 buy into this ideological device which doesn't really exist because 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:02.719 the average person and the majority of white people. This 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.200 is why sometimes it's a lot easier to organize amongst 0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.200 poor white folks, Like I can go to the average 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:09.720 poor white folks, like you go to a tea party, 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:13.040 like in I would go to like the verscythe County 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:15.640 Fair and forsythe county is one of the reddest counties 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.560 in the country. It's rapidly diversifying in its southern third 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.480 and therefore like doesn't look that way now, but like 0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:27.840 this county didn't desegregate until so, like I go to 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:30.320 the prosythe County Fair, and you go to the Republican 0:48:30.440 --> 0:48:33.120 tent and the Republicans can barely talk to you. I 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.760 mean like it's it's like not fuck you, like demon 0:48:35.880 --> 0:48:38.920 rat all all the ship that they say libtards. You 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:41.680 go to the tea party tent and they'll go right 0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:45.840 to the door of of like a decent materialist analysis 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:48.880 and saying like oh no, like these like like the 0:48:48.960 --> 0:48:51.960 government is just like selling us out to corporations. Like 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.080 they'll say things like that, and it's like okay, okay, 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.399 so you do see something, you know, like like there 0:48:57.640 --> 0:49:00.719 is something happening here, and like, like we can work 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:03.560 with that. The only problem is that's that ship the 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:09.920 Tucker Carlson like the pedals and manipulates like and that 0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:14.520 fucking pisces me off that like some leftists fall for that, 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:16.560 not that you were obviously not, but it's just like 0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:20.840 some people really don't take into consideration that when a 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:25.120 right winger says I hate corporations and when a leftist 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:28.640 says I hate corporations, those biggas are talking about two 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:32.600 completely different things, all right, Like the leftist is talking 0:49:32.600 --> 0:49:35.240 about I hate corporations in the way that we traditionally 0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:38.320 understand that somebody who's left leaning with hate corporations. The 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.000 right winger is saying, I hate corporations because they don't 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.200 funk with the Jews. That's pretty much what they mean. 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.879 That's that's when when Tucker Carlson is talking about, oh, 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:51.759 we've got to stop corporate takeover that city bank commercials 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:56.440 now kind of ship. Yeah, not yet. So this was 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.680 a good talk, as you guys can all probably tell 0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:02.520 us thing out there. This is definitely been on our 0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.479 mind a bit for the past few days, So thank 0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:08.120 you for letting us share that. UM, well, we're gonna 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:11.160 get into the music discussion, and Paul's gonna stick around 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.360 with us for the music discussion, so we'll be with 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:19.800 that right after the jump. Okay, so that we're not 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:26.960 completely mired in the emergency Doom and Gloom tried to 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:32.000 We're still gonna have a music discussion for this episode. UM. 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:36.360 I tried to find some songs of the past that 0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:42.280 had the theme of like revolution or writing. Um. Again, 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.560 this is strictly just to lighten the mood and listen 0:50:44.600 --> 0:50:47.520 to some music, but still keeping in touch with the 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.160 topic that we were talking on up. First, we have 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:55.760 this track by d J. Green Lantern featuring Dead Prez 0:50:55.880 --> 0:51:00.000 both members Saigon is one of my favorites Immortal Technique 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:04.960 and just Blaze. Uh. It is called Impeach the Presidents 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:10.800 came out back in two thousand six. Um, like about 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.239 Bush and the Iraq Ore and ship like that, but 0:51:13.880 --> 0:51:15.920 with Impeachment in the air, I figured it would be 0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.640 something interesting to listen to. Let's check it out. You 0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:22.360 also the reason because like that they say, you have 0:51:24.000 --> 0:51:25.239 the first thing that came to mind as I was 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.480 listening to this song, it's like the liberal reaction to 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:31.600 people calling out Obama was like, well, if all presidents 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.480 are you know, if Obama was a war criminal, then 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:38.160 so we're all presidents. It's like, well, I mean if 0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:40.400 you look at if you look at their you know 0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.840 what kind of track record historically, Yeah, I mean you 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:46.520 kind of can't be the president. So one this is 0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.600 like exactly my ship, which is like a good classic 0:51:49.640 --> 0:51:53.000 brass section on the sample. But like, the two things 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:55.080 that stick out to me, like first and foremost one 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.920 is uh, you know, I know we've said this a 0:51:57.960 --> 0:52:01.320 million times, but the uh give them in a blowjob 0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:05.040 so we can impeach him? Um, how far we've fallen 0:52:05.120 --> 0:52:07.560 that Like that's what it used to take and now 0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:11.200 you can, you know, just like foment armed rebellion against 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:15.040 the state and no one gives a fuck. Um, you know. 0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:17.800 But the other thing that I think is like really 0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:22.600 hysterical is that, you know, the narrative for the people 0:52:22.640 --> 0:52:25.520 on the ground doesn't really ever change, you know, like 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:29.320 we're talking about the same ship the entire time, and 0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.360 you can pretty much play any track like this and 0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:36.480 it's like the same themes, the same ship, and at 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:41.520 the end of the day, like George Bush is responsible 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:46.000 for a million dead people in a rock period, point blank. 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:51.960 And is that like better or worse than Trump? Like yeah, maybe, 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.479 but like either way you can make an argument. But yeah, 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.880 all presidents are war criminals. You know, I was thinking 0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:02.600 about this, ship um just last night because you know, 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:06.640 I was thinking, damn if George Bush does have that, 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:10.960 like he does have that list of bodies because he 0:53:11.000 --> 0:53:13.360 started the Iraq War. And you know, I know that 0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:17.120 people make that argument a lot, especially like now that 0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.960 because Trump has been such a train wreck like that, 0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:25.960 like the Bush name has kind of been shadow rehabilitated 0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:27.839 a little bit, you know what I'm saying. And it's 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.440 like I get it. But the thing that I that 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:32.320 I try to look at, and this isn't in no 0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:35.279 way I mean, ship, I don't think I need to 0:53:35.280 --> 0:53:37.120 say this like this is in no way any sort 0:53:37.160 --> 0:53:39.920 of like excusing of George W. Bush or anything like that. 0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:44.120 But we did go to war for like twenty years, 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:49.440 you know what I'm saying, and that that having happened 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:54.480 created a level of war weariness in the populace that 0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:58.840 Trump actually could use. Yo, not going to war is 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:01.239 one of his things to run, you know what I'm saying? 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:04.320 But four years later, with what we know about Donald Trump, 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:08.359 if just the general American public, like like, don't get 0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.760 me wrong, the war machine has kept going. The industrial 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:13.080 military clans. We all know about all that ship, but 0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:18.080 like it's kind of like a bright side sort of 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.480 thing where it's like now, in order to do ship, 0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.279 they have to do like fucking secret clandestine stuff and 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.680 they can't just like openly like galvanize the country to 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:27.440 want to go to like an open ground war with 0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:31.040 people and ship. Whereas if we didn't have that weariness 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.920 already built up because of what George Bush did, can 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.759 you imagine what Donald Trump would have like done with 0:54:37.920 --> 0:54:40.280 like the military and just like I mean we're talking 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:43.320 now about them trying to push going to war with 0:54:43.440 --> 0:54:46.279 Iran on like the last days. Like if you think 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:48.720 if Donald Trump thought he couldn't get a political benefit 0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:50.440 out of it, that we wouldn't have been going to 0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:52.520 war with Iran like something. I think. The other funny 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.120 part is that, like, you know, when we think back 0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:57.000 about the Bush years, and we all know that you know, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.759 Dick Cheney is you know, he's the public master, and 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:00.759 it's because the line in there about you know, if 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:02.400 you can handle. If you can handle Dick and get 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:03.719 him out of the way, then you've got you know. 0:55:03.800 --> 0:55:07.760 George Bush kind of neutered how long did liberals labor 0:55:07.840 --> 0:55:11.960 under the delusion that Pince was gonna do something to 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.600 like rain in Trump's like darker impulses, Like even now 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:18.880 this week they're like, oh, Pence, he's gonna do the 0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:24.960 He's moment, and it's like, y'all, Pince's only job is 0:55:25.560 --> 0:55:29.000 for White Christianity to have their guy in there as 0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:31.160 a check on Trump. Like that's it. And Trump did 0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.360 his job by them, So who cares just to have 0:55:33.640 --> 0:55:38.600 the the the veneer that he will have to have 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:40.880 the check on Trump, not that will actually do it, 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:43.960 but he's there so that the Liberals can point to 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:46.480 him and that White Christianity can point to him and 0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:49.640 say like, oh, everything's gonna be okay. Uh as if 0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:55.160 his mere presence accomplishes the fact when we're saying that 0:55:55.280 --> 0:55:57.000 he hasn't done shut it's not going to your ship. 0:55:57.080 --> 0:56:00.480 He's not going to And I guess even if he did, 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:05.680 half the cabinet has resigned, so like conveniently like oh 0:56:05.880 --> 0:56:11.560 there's something I can do. Shit, it's one right now. 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.040 So what do you guys think about a song like 0:56:14.200 --> 0:56:17.880 this coming out back in two thousand and six, And 0:56:19.280 --> 0:56:21.840 I mean, we've got we've got the spat of songs 0:56:21.880 --> 0:56:25.440 that we've covered that came out over the summer, and 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.080 then we have, like, you know, the handful of Donald 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.080 Trump songs that were made. Are you this makes you 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:35.520 like a bit more disappointed or surprised or whatever that 0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:38.600 there's not more songs of protests and stuff because this 0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:40.640 is just a mixtape song Like this is just something 0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:43.560 that's on like a mixtape with a bunch of rappers, 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:46.320 And I guess I'm not even necessarily talking about songs 0:56:46.320 --> 0:56:51.160 about protests, but just like about like this political situation. 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:54.520 It's political moment, I mean kind of because even if 0:56:54.600 --> 0:56:58.560 we don't expect and because as I've discussed on previous podcast, 0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:03.800 I don't like, I don't hate on rappers for waiting 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.600 into political waters where they don't have an informed opinion 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.000 to give, Like thank you for staying out of it 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.120 if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation. 0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:15.560 But like a mortal technique is like not inactive like 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.320 who else on this track dead Press, Like it's not 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:22.960 like they're like not like where are they now? Like 0:57:23.040 --> 0:57:24.760 these are the kind of cats I would trust to 0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:28.840 like bring forward like salient and like insightful political analysis 0:57:28.880 --> 0:57:33.400 on the situation that also bops. Uh So it's like 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.840 perhaps there is a lack of leadership within the hip 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:39.120 hop community that sort of lead the way of like 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:41.880 this is what like you can make a protest on 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.520 that bobs and also is like incisive in its analysis 0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:48.040 of what is going on? And ain't nobody really like 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:50.760 step up other than like, oh this was my first 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.240 protests and like a marching and like feels good, I'm 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.520 standing up standing up for what BRA? Like what do 0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.160 you like? What's your policy prescriptions? BRA? Like what do 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:00.360 you want to see happen? Actually I agree, and I 0:58:00.400 --> 0:58:03.120 agreed with you back then in in that episode too 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:06.280 that it's like it's best if you have nothing to say, 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.320 don't say anything, you know what I'm saying, or if 0:58:08.360 --> 0:58:10.680 you have nothing to contribute to the conversation. But I 0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:14.400 mean it's not necessarily like this song was like a 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.280 big song. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite, 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:18.440 you know what I mean, Like this is like a 0:58:18.520 --> 0:58:22.280 hidden gem. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like I 0:58:22.320 --> 0:58:25.480 would doubt that it's a significant amount of people who 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:28.240 heard the song in comparison to other songs, but just 0:58:28.520 --> 0:58:31.840 in an industry or art form where we're always talking 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:35.240 about the turnover and like how you know, the youth 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:38.400 movement is the main component of it, you know what 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:40.840 I'm saying. I hear your point on Like these are 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:43.240 like the rappers that are they're not active, Like I 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.560 did a song with Stick from Dead Press, so like 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:49.200 he's definitely still making stuff, Saigon still doing, like everyone 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:52.320 Saigon just signed to Strange music. Everybody's still working and 0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:54.720 it's still active. And these are like voices that have 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:56.880 been around, you know what I mean that we could 0:58:57.120 --> 0:59:00.080 could depend on to drop some real ship. But the 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:02.600 songs from two thousand and six, you know what I'm saying. 0:59:02.880 --> 0:59:07.600 So it's just like I'm just I'm kind of surprised that, 0:59:07.800 --> 0:59:09.920 you know, it's not more of a in in in 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:12.120 these times, because because it's a sign of what people 0:59:12.240 --> 0:59:15.440 are are just interested in, you know, So even if 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:20.080 if a motherfucker might not have anything super constructive to 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:22.840 add to the discussion, it just lets It's just to me, 0:59:22.920 --> 0:59:24.280 it's another one of those things that lets you know 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.400 where artist's head is at and lets you know that 0:59:27.560 --> 0:59:30.120 you're living in the same world. You know what I'm 0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:33.560 saying here, we are. We had this whole elaborate episode 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.080 that we wanted to do about some ship that we 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.560 were both genuinely into, like on the nerd culture, nerd 0:59:39.600 --> 0:59:42.520 black culture and ship like that, and then we're like, yo, 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:46.000 that really doesn't fit how we're feeling because of the 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:48.560 world that we live in, and this is our outlet, 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.720 so it's going to reflect what we're thinking really limit 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:54.160 to make sense. So like we we're dealing with it 0:59:54.240 --> 0:59:56.120 in the way that we can. I just expect, you know, 0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:57.560 especially for some of these guys that you know are 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.840 like studio rats are always cranking out music. I'm just 1:00:00.000 --> 1:00:02.440 surprised that it's like not every other day. I'm not 1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:04.880 saying on this blog here, that blog here, Yo, here's 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:08.920 a new anti Trump for anti well, I don't know, 1:00:09.160 --> 1:00:12.360 pro democracy at this point. I mean, he even gotta 1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.680 be for Joe Biden, y'all know, I'm not, but like, 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:19.800 for love of God, like, let our institutions do what 1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:22.280 they're supposed to do, I guess. And it's also I 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.440 think I think there's like two other salient points. One 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.680 is that I think it's easy to forget in everything 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:31.800 that's happened in the last fifteen years, how like formative 1:00:32.080 --> 1:00:36.200 Katrina was like that more I think, honestly more than 1:00:36.480 --> 1:00:40.560 more than a rock like Katrina was a real mobilizing, 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.880 you know event in our in our failures there, I mean, 1:00:43.960 --> 1:00:45.800 when we lost ten thousand kids of the public school 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:47.920 system just disappeared. And the second is that, you know, 1:00:48.040 --> 1:00:50.160 now the narrative is kind of changed from like the 1:00:50.280 --> 1:00:53.680 heads of hip hop like now it's you know, the message, 1:00:54.040 --> 1:00:56.200 if you can characterize any like over the top message, 1:00:56.240 --> 1:00:59.960 it's black capitalism. And like when you go to black capitalism, 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:02.560 you go to an individualism place, um, and that's not 1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:06.600 necessarily as conducive to social movements, you know, as a 1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:13.760 community upliftment. Up next, we got a track by I 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.120 got a track by ice Cube off of one of 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.720 my favorite albums when I was a kid, Predator. This 1:01:18.920 --> 1:01:22.840 is a song addressing the l A riots called Tear 1:01:23.080 --> 1:01:26.320 this Motherfucker Up. The song is really dope. Let's check 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:30.720 this out. Thanks to get some respect, we had to 1:01:30.760 --> 1:01:33.680 ted as motherfucker and I heard the song a number 1:01:33.720 --> 1:01:36.160 of times but hadn't really like pegged. Some of the 1:01:36.240 --> 1:01:41.880 references were explicitly uh tied to the two l A riots, 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:45.160 like talking about like beating up on the cops that 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.680 beat up on Rodney King, talking about how your national 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.880 guarden a and ship you gotta send in the swat. 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:53.440 I just never caught a lot of those references before. 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:56.120 I just thought he was just on some regular you know, 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:59.160 ice cube shin. I think I think that's like a 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:03.120 point of what makes songs like that great in a 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:05.520 way is because if you just put it on and 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:10.040 you just listen to it, like just not necessarily analytically 1:02:10.120 --> 1:02:12.160 like that, it's just like a dope rap song, you know. 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:14.040 I mean you could just if you're not even really 1:02:14.120 --> 1:02:16.320 catching that he's dropping the names of the officers and ship. 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:18.520 It's like, oh, it's just like rapper tough guy talk. 1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:20.320 I'll beat this dude up, I'll go to this dude's house, 1:02:20.320 --> 1:02:21.640 I'll bring the beef to your doorstet, you know what 1:02:21.680 --> 1:02:23.600 I mean. But it's like, then if you listen to 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:25.320 and it's like, oh, wait, he's talking about all the 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:28.280 cops that beat Rodney Kigg, Okay, you know, then it 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:30.240 just adds more context to it if you want to 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.160 listen to it that way, if you're sucking drunk or 1:02:32.240 --> 1:02:34.120 high and it's just the dope beat and Ice Cep 1:02:34.160 --> 1:02:37.080 saying some slick ship that's robing dope. Yeah, I'm saying 1:02:37.120 --> 1:02:39.040 you can take it that way too. And I think 1:02:39.520 --> 1:02:41.080 it's one of those things where it doesn't come off 1:02:41.160 --> 1:02:44.200 sounding like a fucking p s A or like message rap, 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:47.880 you know, And that is I think, like as I 1:02:47.960 --> 1:02:50.960 think I bring up oftentimes on the show, like the 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:55.040 underlying political power of hip hop, of creating these like 1:02:55.120 --> 1:03:00.480 subtle entryways into historical moments or just this cussion of 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:04.200 like policy prescription, like through a song that you just 1:03:04.320 --> 1:03:06.200 put on in the background and jam two when you're 1:03:06.280 --> 1:03:08.320 driving to work every morning until the day it hits 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:12.040 you that he's talking about how the National guardenship and 1:03:12.160 --> 1:03:16.000 that you're like waity, oh, wait a second, wait a second. 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:17.760 I don't know if this is like a weird comparison, 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:20.280 but it kind of reminds me like it kind of 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:24.520 makes cube like like a black Charles Bronson from Death Wish, 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:29.640 Like it's it's righteous, but it's also it's also a vengeance, um, 1:03:29.960 --> 1:03:32.600 you know, like like it's it's definitely Uh, I don't 1:03:32.600 --> 1:03:34.960 know what. What sticks out to me now, like I 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:39.600 guess looking back in is how much more explicit and 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:43.520 radical this is than the vast majority of ship that 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:46.560 comes out today. Um, like even people that are even 1:03:46.600 --> 1:03:48.320 people that you know are mask grade and like that. 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:51.360 And it's like, man, like the guy didn't have to 1:03:51.400 --> 1:03:57.120 talk about like literally anything except for this one situation 1:03:57.280 --> 1:03:59.600 he was in. He didn't have to like bring extra 1:03:59.680 --> 1:04:02.680 credit with him. He like, it just stands on its own. 1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:05.280 And if you contrast that with, um, what was the 1:04:05.400 --> 1:04:08.320 name of the Little Baby song that came out earlier 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:12.280 in the summer, The Bigger Picture? Yeah, if you contrast 1:04:12.360 --> 1:04:14.960 that with the Bigger Picture, which was a good song 1:04:15.080 --> 1:04:16.960 that I did enjoy, you know what I'm saying. But 1:04:18.240 --> 1:04:22.600 like ice Cube was probably younger than the Baby was 1:04:22.680 --> 1:04:26.440 when he made this, the Little Baby was when he 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:30.680 made this, And um, this is a way like if 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:34.040 this had if if this had come out during the 1:04:34.480 --> 1:04:37.000 heat of the George Floyd protests, I think people would 1:04:37.000 --> 1:04:40.000 be saying, yeah, this is a really irresponsible song released 1:04:40.200 --> 1:04:44.640 right now, Like I think audience would feel that way 1:04:44.720 --> 1:04:48.920 about it. So that's it for the music discussions, just 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:53.560 a little light. Trust me. We have so many songs 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:56.120 that we're gonna be talking about next week on the 1:04:56.200 --> 1:05:00.240 NERD episode, you know, assuming that that's what we're able 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:03.520 to do. But um, you know, so we're going to 1:05:03.600 --> 1:05:07.600 have a long music discussion when that comes along. But um, 1:05:08.080 --> 1:05:11.360 is there anything else that you wanted to talk about? Marie? 1:05:11.640 --> 1:05:13.360 What do you think it's a likelihood of of them 1:05:13.400 --> 1:05:18.160 passing Jamal Bowman's uh who act? Which is it's a 1:05:18.520 --> 1:05:24.320 it's a um, Jamal Bowman. He's a newly elected congressman 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:28.560 out of New York. Um, you know, new member of 1:05:28.640 --> 1:05:33.280 the squad. Supposedly, we'll see, you know, I have faith. 1:05:33.360 --> 1:05:36.120 I'm just like you know. It's a little grain of song. Um. 1:05:37.000 --> 1:05:43.520 But his bill would commission an investigation into ties between 1:05:44.360 --> 1:05:51.800 UH police officers, UH and other government officials and the 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:55.600 white supremacist that sees the Capitol one day, um, to 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.160 sort of uncover the depth of that corruption and the 1:05:58.520 --> 1:06:03.800 depths of the shall we say, uh, what's the word 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:11.240 like entagle vincent? Now like the like the the relationship, Yeah, 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:13.880 the degree to which there was coordination, the degree to 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:18.000 which there was coordination between these entities, Um, so I 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:21.040 don't know, So you hadn't heard of heard about that? Okay, Yeah, 1:06:21.480 --> 1:06:23.680 because I know Corey Bushes before the bill to expel 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:26.640 Republican members of Congress, which is like very unlikely to 1:06:26.640 --> 1:06:28.600 succeed unfortunately, because I do think they need to go. 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:32.800 I mean, I just feel like democraspy weak man. They don't. 1:06:32.880 --> 1:06:34.880 I don't like, I don't start playing nasty and then 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:38.000 that's completely unwilling to I mean, I if if if 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:40.440 he's proposing that, I agree with that. I think that 1:06:41.000 --> 1:06:43.840 sort of thing and what Corey Bush was just trying 1:06:43.880 --> 1:06:46.720 to do too, I think I think that is like 1:06:46.840 --> 1:06:50.360 the most important thing right now to do is to 1:06:50.480 --> 1:06:55.680 like tackle that ship right now. I think the the 1:06:55.800 --> 1:06:58.520 thing that's really going to hurt us is if we 1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:04.760 treat the situation like the Republicans have a leg to 1:07:04.880 --> 1:07:07.320 stand on in it, you know what I'm saying. And 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:09.600 if if if we treat them like it's like, oh man, 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:15.280 you know, we can't really go all out prosecute or 1:07:15.320 --> 1:07:20.240 persecuting them for what happened, because you know what about 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:22.440 when you know, then it's just gonna swing the pendulum 1:07:22.720 --> 1:07:25.320 so far to that way that they'll start persecuting us 1:07:25.360 --> 1:07:28.280 when they have power, and and it's like they're going 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:31.080 to anyway, you know what I'm saying, Like they're they're 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:34.080 they're definitely gonna try to impeach Biden just to be 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:35.760 obstruction as you know what I'm saying. For no reason. 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:38.280 They're just like like they're talking about all this ship 1:07:38.320 --> 1:07:41.000 about cheating elections because they're definitely going to try to 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:44.040 cheat whatever elections come up next, you know what I'm saying. 1:07:44.080 --> 1:07:45.880 So it's like, we just gotta be prepared for this, 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:51.280 and I think that stuff like aggressive legislation, you know 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.240 what I mean, to at least make it clear that 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:56.960 it's like, hey, the people who are cool with this ship, 1:07:58.120 --> 1:08:02.240 they can expose themselves because they either voted for these 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:04.240 you know what I'm saying, these efforts are they voted 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:06.800 against it. So we know who's who. And that's an 1:08:06.840 --> 1:08:08.680 important thing right now, is to know who's who, because 1:08:08.720 --> 1:08:13.240 this is like some deep seated spy versus spy ship 1:08:13.400 --> 1:08:17.840 going on it right now. That's like really kind of scary. Hopefully, 1:08:18.080 --> 1:08:20.960 I mean the next time that you guys hear us, 1:08:21.080 --> 1:08:23.840 my birthday is on Sunday, so I'll be a year 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:28.160 older hopefully, you know. Hopefully, I don't want to be 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:31.040 gloom and doom, but hopefully there's the ship's just talk 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:35.200 and it's just internet ship, and then we'll be you know, 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:37.800 and we'll be with you guys next week talking about 1:08:37.840 --> 1:08:39.519 damn you guys remember that last week when we were 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:41.000 all scared and fucked up. You know what I'm saying. 1:08:41.040 --> 1:08:44.280 But just in case it's not, everybody be safe out there. 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:47.560 We do as of now. Next week we're gonna be 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:50.519 doing that Mega Ran or the nerd episode where we 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:53.360 have the Mega Ran interview. It's gonna be real dope. 1:08:54.080 --> 1:08:57.080 Let's get into some rappid things. Joel, give me a 1:08:57.160 --> 1:09:05.519 beat year since my birthday is on Sunday. Spent this 1:09:05.640 --> 1:09:08.720 first day rail for my birthday, like four years ago, 1:09:09.800 --> 1:09:13.479 cool and chilling in my Beat Boys dance tip bucket, 1:09:13.560 --> 1:09:16.840 watching pet Boys dance some block supply pressure, letting need 1:09:16.920 --> 1:09:19.360 Moy's hands, even though I thought I never stood a 1:09:19.439 --> 1:09:22.080 decoy's chance. I don't know what it is. Brains I'll 1:09:22.120 --> 1:09:25.160 be going against. Used to younger fol show now control 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:27.479 when I spit, and I always put the knowledge on 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:29.360 the soul of my tembs because I don't want to 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:31.320 see a jail. I have to show what my prints 1:09:31.400 --> 1:09:33.680 that ain't there, Entyson to be doing. Life in the 1:09:33.800 --> 1:09:36.320 big life can feel like a prize fight with Tyson 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:38.479 the ring. I'm a little back, I realized that, but 1:09:38.560 --> 1:09:41.040 I'm trying to screams. Get the crumbs, eat the plate 1:09:41.120 --> 1:09:44.080 and every slice of the thing. It's got to be barriers. 1:09:44.200 --> 1:09:46.680 Let the steam carry you through the beef grief and 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:50.719 survived the leech area. Scary rise in your moment to defeat, 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:52.840 even when the hands you lemon's dug you know you 1:09:52.960 --> 1:09:55.280 gotta eat. You to it enough to see if my 1:09:55.600 --> 1:09:58.640 dash is here. But it's a macahettic and Brandish magnis it. 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:00.920 When he grabs me, he drags me to a van 1:10:01.040 --> 1:10:02.599 and put me in the back of it. I say, 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:05.160 can I get to my ancestors. He's saying, Lynn, shut 1:10:05.240 --> 1:10:08.600 the funk up, bitchy screaming. It's bloodshed sweater, God, do 1:10:08.680 --> 1:10:11.120 you even think about running and get guns? And he's 1:10:11.160 --> 1:10:13.519 bad And I'll look with that sun dress. And speaking 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:16.439 of which I'm gonna need you to undress. They found 1:10:16.479 --> 1:10:19.000 my corps firstly dead on my doorstep. I think to 1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:22.680 myself as an unzipped my orange dress. He wasn't the communist. 1:10:22.720 --> 1:10:25.160 He probably be gorgeous, he whispers. Is he put the 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:30.960 pistol to my forehead? God, damn that was dark. Hey yo, 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:36.599 my name's Dope Franca. We are waiting on reparations. Hurry up, 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:40.759 see you nice week. Waiting on reparations as a production 1:10:40.800 --> 1:10:44.360 of I Heart Radio. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on 1:10:44.479 --> 1:10:47.400 the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:48.360 get your podcasts.