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Speaker 1: what the episode was supposed to be. But what we
Speaker 1: were going to do and what we've been teasing for
Speaker 1: the last two weeks is we had this uh plan
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Speaker 1: than to share it with you guys because it's like
Speaker 1: kind of fun or it's a lot of fun, and
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to it. But just as we handed
Speaker 1: in our episode last week, is when the siege at
Speaker 1: the Capitol happened and we didn't get a chance to
Speaker 1: talk about that, and UM, as we were thinking about
Speaker 1: what to put out this week, it just kind of
Speaker 1: felt weird to like, you know, not address what's on
Speaker 1: both of our minds, particularly in like context for like
Speaker 1: my experiences of that day. UM. I was sworn into
Speaker 1: my first full term as Commissioner that afternoon, and as
Speaker 1: images started to emerge from d C of the Capitol
Speaker 1: being stormed, UM reports circulated about Secretary of State Brad
Speaker 1: Raffensburger being evacuated from the state Capitol. UM as you know,
Speaker 1: high ranking neo Nazis gathered outside and we're patrolling the
Speaker 1: halls looking for him. UH as a person that has
Speaker 1: like received the violent ire of the right wing UH
Speaker 1: at numerous points in my public service, I was like, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: is it really safe for us to be having this
Speaker 1: swearing in ceremonialside side uh and UH. I found that
Speaker 1: a lot of my fellow elected kind of like didn't
Speaker 1: understand why that would like be a serious thing. Like, yes,
Speaker 1: we are an hour and a half north of the
Speaker 1: of the state capital and perhaps would not be as
Speaker 1: visible a target for the kinds of groups that were
Speaker 1: gathering in both our nation's capital and our state's capital. UM,
Speaker 1: but nonetheless opportunities to target like left wing politicians, UM
Speaker 1: emboldened in recent days by rhetoric from UH, various congressmen,
Speaker 1: right wing pundits in the president himself, like, you might
Speaker 1: as well just be as careful as possible. But in
Speaker 1: this aftermath, you know, I had a like private ceremony
Speaker 1: inside the city hall. Meanwhile, my like colleagues did their
Speaker 1: things to you know, in front of a crowd outside
Speaker 1: on on the city hall steps. UM. It got me
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about you know the importance of pretty
Speaker 1: much everyone speaking out and pushing back against UH, like
Speaker 1: these emboldened fascists like UH the way that some folks
Speaker 1: like feel like it's not their business, it's not their problems,
Speaker 1: not there like sphere of influence, UM. And that's you know,
Speaker 1: the way that many corporations have operated for the last
Speaker 1: four years. That's the way a lot of like businesses
Speaker 1: and others that have ties to these folks have operated
Speaker 1: in the last four years. And that's how we got
Speaker 1: here in the first place. And so folks aren't like
Speaker 1: standing up now to say something like this is only
Speaker 1: gonna happen and and indeed is like you know, looking
Speaker 1: like additional UH actions, armed groups will be gathering in
Speaker 1: stay capitals in our capital UM in like the coming
Speaker 1: days or weeks. And so it's just something that's been
Speaker 1: on my mind a lot, like what are what is
Speaker 1: our responsibility as UH folks involved in governance in this
Speaker 1: moment um? What is our responsibility as like activists involved
Speaker 1: in like community organizing and like community self defense if
Speaker 1: necessary in this moment? And so I just like kind
Speaker 1: of had that on my mind. I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about that a little bit today We've got some songs
Speaker 1: about rioting and civil unrest for the music discussion, and
Speaker 1: we'll have that a little later on. We're going to
Speaker 1: be joined once again this week by former deputy campaign
Speaker 1: manager for Daniel Blackman, policy analyst, student of political science
Speaker 1: at Georgia State, and general badass organizer Paul Glaize, and
Speaker 1: we will have all of that for you after the jump. Okay,
Speaker 1: So to give a quick little recap of what went down,
Speaker 1: as if most of y'all listening don't already know. So,
Speaker 1: last Wednesday, they had one of those Trump Stopped the
Speaker 1: Steel rallies on Pennsylvania Avenue in d C. And the
Speaker 1: President riled up the crowd into storming the moving their
Speaker 1: quote unquote protests from Pennsylvania Avenue to the nation's capital.
Speaker 1: Um a combination of Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump Jr.
Speaker 1: And some speeches days leading up to General Flynn, they
Speaker 1: were ginning up their supporters to act out. It was
Speaker 1: kind of obvious to everybody that this was going to
Speaker 1: be something big and something that would probably turn violent,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happened when hundreds, if not thousands,
Speaker 1: of Trump supporters decked out in full Trump gear, some
Speaker 1: of them full Camo body armor, vest weapons, bear spray
Speaker 1: flash bangs. They stormed the capital, forced their way in,
Speaker 1: ransacked the place. Uh, and just general, we caused chaos
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of chaos and confusion now where
Speaker 1: we stand now, almost a week removed from that situation.
Speaker 1: There has been no official federal report put out, but
Speaker 1: the stories being pieced together through good reporting and reviewing
Speaker 1: of the hours of video that was taken at the day,
Speaker 1: and it's painting a picture that is quite disturbing and chilling.
Speaker 1: It's a picture of extremely organized, extremely planned right wing
Speaker 1: militant operation that was coordinated with by sitting members of
Speaker 1: Congress as well as notable figures in the right wing
Speaker 1: media space. And the end result was what we all
Speaker 1: saw on the television screen, as well as five people dying,
Speaker 1: including a Capital City police officer UM, numerous people and
Speaker 1: police officers injured, and a somewhat tepid response by the
Speaker 1: federal government in terms of putting down said riot or protests.
Speaker 1: So initially, you know, with my co host and and
Speaker 1: friends being a city official like you were on my
Speaker 1: mind a lot that day, and I know you're just
Speaker 1: talked about you know, having to go through the swearing
Speaker 1: process during while all that stuff was going down, Like
Speaker 1: how just how did you feel like about just doing it?
Speaker 1: Like did you feel like you just kind of wanted
Speaker 1: to call it a day and maybe not go through
Speaker 1: with some of that stuff, with everything that was going on. Well,
Speaker 1: at my first swearing in ten, I set a new
Speaker 1: precedent for the city in holding my swearing in on
Speaker 1: the city Hall steps and inviting the public to join in,
Speaker 1: because I felt it was really important to invite people
Speaker 1: into our political processes by just like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of having it in the basement where no one
Speaker 1: can see, Like, hey, this is how this process works.
Speaker 1: If you want to stick around after, you can come
Speaker 1: to our commission meetings and see what're were voting on.
Speaker 1: And maybe this is the first time you ever sat
Speaker 1: in the commissi in chamber, maybe it's the first time
Speaker 1: you've ever heard us speak on issues at a voting
Speaker 1: meeting and sort of like making it fun and making
Speaker 1: it inviting and inclusive. And so it was honestly just
Speaker 1: like a little sad this time to like to not
Speaker 1: be able to take part of in that like safely,
Speaker 1: Like I was reassured in the you know, hours beforehand
Speaker 1: that there would be UM Athens, Car County police you know,
Speaker 1: heavily patrolling the area and monitoring downtown for any UM threats.
Speaker 1: But as we know now like that, and as I
Speaker 1: felt then, like that doesn't really make me feel a
Speaker 1: ton better when we know that, like off duty police
Speaker 1: officers were some of those that were involved in the
Speaker 1: storming of the capitol. Um that uh, there was the
Speaker 1: conflicting messages being sent by you know, officials about what
Speaker 1: sorts of response or presence UM like that National Guard
Speaker 1: and other indies should have on the ground in DC,
Speaker 1: and so like kind of like awareness of the disparate
Speaker 1: responses um different kinds of political action and political discent
Speaker 1: h received from law enforcement, I'm like, I don't really yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Like if we're ting to if we're in the like
Speaker 1: snipe snipe me off of the roof of the parking
Speaker 1: deck across the street, I really don't think there's anything
Speaker 1: you all gonna do about it. And so we got in,
Speaker 1: we got out, got it done. It was very different
Speaker 1: from the first time I was sworn in, and for
Speaker 1: that I felt a little bit sad, But ultimately we
Speaker 1: like went into the meeting and you know, did our
Speaker 1: thing to show the people that in the face of
Speaker 1: like threats of violence and instability, Um, like, the government
Speaker 1: still gets its shipped done. You never really entertained the
Speaker 1: idea of like yellows cancel this ship today. I mean,
Speaker 1: like continuity and in stability of government in the face
Speaker 1: of like unrest is of critical like for us to
Speaker 1: not show that we're scared or thrown off by you know,
Speaker 1: that's what they want. They want, they want to distablize
Speaker 1: the government. The best thing that that the greatest gift
Speaker 1: we could have given to them was canceling our voting
Speaker 1: meeting that night. So I was like, see, oh look,
Speaker 1: if we you know, threaten them, if we don't even
Speaker 1: threaten them with thretain people, you know, hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: away at the capitol, that's enough to see to it
Speaker 1: that poor people can't ride the bus for free, or
Speaker 1: they're not voting on these things that are going to
Speaker 1: make lives better for like the working class and like
Speaker 1: people of call her, etcetera. So um, there was I
Speaker 1: you know, I had to be sworn in in order
Speaker 1: to do my votes that night, and so there was
Speaker 1: no question in my mind that like we gotta do this,
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta make this happen. Well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean bringing up it's good that you bring up that
Speaker 1: concern about the police, because you know, I mentioned how
Speaker 1: they've got all these police officers on camera being welcoming
Speaker 1: to the rioters. There's like motherfucker's giving people hugs, taking selfies.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like leading the way and
Speaker 1: from you know what I've been hearing today is the
Speaker 1: situation is even more so like dire because they're starting
Speaker 1: to suspect that some of this has infected the Secret
Speaker 1: Service as well, so they're having to reassign members of
Speaker 1: the Secret Service who have been part of the Trump ecosystem.
Speaker 1: So there was a story a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: about Secret Service members staying in Trump hotels like the
Speaker 1: fancy pent houses and stuff, and it costing the government
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars. Well this is this is why,
Speaker 1: because now there's like apparently like a loyalty sect built
Speaker 1: into the Secret Service. So they're gonna have to at
Speaker 1: the inauguration, they're going to have to have counter snipers
Speaker 1: to watch, you know what I'm saying, The police Secret Service,
Speaker 1: like because they don't trust them as far as with
Speaker 1: Biden security and stuff. You know, if I was just
Speaker 1: about to say, if you're of a certain age, but
Speaker 1: that's not even really necessary. It's like, if you are American,
Speaker 1: chances are you've never seen any ship like this before. Um,
Speaker 1: just in terms of what's going on with the government,
Speaker 1: this whole threat of like a fascist takeover and ship
Speaker 1: like that. For the libs out there, the the worst
Speaker 1: case scenario that you're imagining of how like a fascist
Speaker 1: takeover of the USA would be like pretty much if
Speaker 1: you were black before nineteen, like that's pretty pretty much
Speaker 1: was your reality. So just imagine that. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, But that's that's what's gonna go down. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be joined right now by our homie Paul Glaze,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get some of your initial thoughts
Speaker 1: about what went down, Paul. So the first thing would
Speaker 1: just be that right now, as we're recording this, it's
Speaker 1: been reported that UM armed protesters quote unquote are are
Speaker 1: gathering and surround in the Texas state capital UM right now.
Speaker 1: UH guns have been banned on the grounds of the capital,
Speaker 1: and like, look, I got family from Waco. And I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, you gotta be pretty fucking out there
Speaker 1: before anyone in Texas bans you from having a gun
Speaker 1: on you. Like that's foundational to their culture. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: we've known for years, We've had reports for years of
Speaker 1: white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement. UM. The FBI UM,
Speaker 1: just a couple of days ago declassified yet another report
Speaker 1: that had not been public as of yet, saying it's
Speaker 1: worse even than we thought. UM. They also today released
Speaker 1: that there was an FBI office in Maryland, UM that
Speaker 1: actually used the words these people are coming to war
Speaker 1: about the d C mob. UM. I mean, like I
Speaker 1: feel like we right right now, we're still in that
Speaker 1: like liberal media debate over what word do you use?
Speaker 1: Like what what what do we call these people? Do
Speaker 1: we call them a mob? Do we call it a riot?
Speaker 1: Do you know what do we do with this? Um?
Speaker 1: And you know, at the end of the day, like
Speaker 1: these are Nazis, And you know some people don't like,
Speaker 1: you know, using the word Nazis or whatever. People cry
Speaker 1: about it, take cruises on Twitter crying about it. These
Speaker 1: motherfucker's literally we're like wearing Auschwitz hoodies, Like they literally
Speaker 1: said six million Jews were not enough, you know, like
Speaker 1: that's those are the people that we have out here. Um.
Speaker 1: And I think it's really interesting that you know, we're
Speaker 1: recording this here in Athens, Georgia, you know, and in
Speaker 1: North Georgia, in Northeast Georgia specifically just north of US
Speaker 1: is where a lot of the organized white supremacists in Georgia,
Speaker 1: you know, reside, live, organize. UM. But those aren't really
Speaker 1: always the people you see at these things. Like the
Speaker 1: first person we knew from Georgia, it was at them,
Speaker 1: you know, it was at the capitol, was like a
Speaker 1: doctor or a lawyer from Alpharetta, you know. So like
Speaker 1: I think what's really I think what's causing a lot
Speaker 1: of the panic right now is that a lot of
Speaker 1: white people in America have been able to live under
Speaker 1: the fallacy that this was like a yokel problem. And
Speaker 1: for years, people like myself and people that organized in
Speaker 1: rural spaces, in a rural light spaces have been saying,
Speaker 1: you're really really obfuscating the problem when you put this,
Speaker 1: when you make the you know, the maga hat stereotype,
Speaker 1: this trailer trash white guy from the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 1: because like like those weren't the Nazis. Like the Nazis
Speaker 1: were the people that were like emboldened and we're like,
Speaker 1: oh great, my posse's here. Now I can step up
Speaker 1: and spend my money and take my ship. Those are
Speaker 1: the people you have to worry about, UM. And those
Speaker 1: people buying large start off when you know, when they're
Speaker 1: when their family starts coming up, taking jobs like in
Speaker 1: law enforcement, taking jobs in you know, like middle manager levels,
Speaker 1: like those are the people that you really really have
Speaker 1: to be more concerned about in the long run, UM,
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, like Joe Dirt
Speaker 1: from you know, uh Alto Georgia, UM really just kind
Speaker 1: of wants to drink some PBRs and shoot some ship
Speaker 1: in his backyard, uh and eat some barbecue and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's brainwashed like anybody else's UM, but he doesn't have
Speaker 1: the organizing capacity to pull off something like what we're
Speaker 1: looking at right now. You know, I've been seeing uh
Speaker 1: in reading like think pieces and stuff about what exactly
Speaker 1: is what exactly it is that we're looking at right now?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like trying to find maybe
Speaker 1: the socio economic roots of what that crowd was. I
Speaker 1: kind of struggle to understand what the use of that
Speaker 1: information is at this point in time. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, It just seems like that seems like an
Speaker 1: academic concern for like history, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: after we're out of this point, then we can go
Speaker 1: back and reassess this ship. But I don't understand what
Speaker 1: the purposes, especially for people who are you know, of
Speaker 1: the left or left leaning or whatever. I don't understand
Speaker 1: what the purposes of getting to the root of that
Speaker 1: or concerning yourself with that in this moment. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying That it doesn't like it doesn't really
Speaker 1: matter what percentage of that was economic anxiety, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, because it's happening now, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's like unless we'd unless somebody's talking about how
Speaker 1: we deal with it or what we do to prepare ourselves.
Speaker 1: To be completely honest with you, it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: really give a funk what you're talking about, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. We we we kind of discussed this yesterday,
Speaker 1: But for the last five years, this has been my
Speaker 1: personal like subject of interests or concern where it's like
Speaker 1: all of the policy things that I care about, and
Speaker 1: the thing like all the all the progressive policy stuff
Speaker 1: that I care about, that like I'm you know, ready
Speaker 1: to argue and duke it out with the fucking liberal
Speaker 1: or a neolib about For me, it's hard to even
Speaker 1: get myself in that headspace because the overall impediment to
Speaker 1: all those policy ideas is Republicans having power of any
Speaker 1: kind and within the United States, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: like for me, that's where I stand at this point,
Speaker 1: is it's like my number one issue is Republicans can't
Speaker 1: be trusted to hold elected office, So defeating Republicans at
Speaker 1: all costs it out. And you know, perhaps saying that
Speaker 1: three or four months ago might kind of seem like
Speaker 1: a a live thing or you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to do like now in the face of actual activated
Speaker 1: you know, right wing movements, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't see how that's like a illegitimate focus right
Speaker 1: now because we can't get any of our ship that
Speaker 1: we want done with these people standing in the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree that, like our immediate concern has to
Speaker 1: be accountability and like crushing fascion m like unequivocally in
Speaker 1: order for like us to move forward, and so like
Speaker 1: overly being overly focused on what sort of policy prescriptions
Speaker 1: are necessary to like bring this country together because like,
Speaker 1: and I say that because like I agree that it's
Speaker 1: probably like the petite bourgeoisie or whoever that are actually
Speaker 1: you know, who have the organizing capacity to be pulling
Speaker 1: off things like this, but like their causes gains legitimacy
Speaker 1: through like millions of people coming out to vote for
Speaker 1: someone like Donald Trump, which are you know a lot
Speaker 1: of the I mean that a mixture of like you know,
Speaker 1: well to do uh, white supremacists, but also like just
Speaker 1: basic normal uh like dude that lives in mobile home
Speaker 1: and you know, Northwest Georgia somewhere that dislikes to shoot
Speaker 1: shit and drink beer like that, Like millions of people
Speaker 1: going to vote for a fascist then like len's legitimacy
Speaker 1: to like their claims of, oh, the election was stolen. Oh,
Speaker 1: there's so many of us that like, if we rise
Speaker 1: up and we take this through violence, there's there's millions
Speaker 1: of people standing with us, and those people who do
Speaker 1: have that economic anxiety that is driving them to vote
Speaker 1: for fascism, like there there is policy work to be
Speaker 1: done to improve their material conditions such that fascionst them
Speaker 1: is no longer appealing to them. But I think we're
Speaker 1: getting I think that, yes, we are getting like the
Speaker 1: cart before the horse a little bit, and that like
Speaker 1: all of our focus right now needs to be on
Speaker 1: accountability and we can work out what polity needs to
Speaker 1: happen in order to like bring people together and like
Speaker 1: bring people out of the murk and meyer that like
Speaker 1: inspires there you know, desire for an authority, you know, authoritarianism. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like we can get to that ship later, I hear you.
Speaker 1: I just I know, like like if you if I
Speaker 1: when I look at the pictures of that crowd and
Speaker 1: I try to just in my head to break it
Speaker 1: down and what percentage of it is what like I'm
Speaker 1: only willing to give myself like for economic anxiety, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying of that was like, man, that's
Speaker 1: economic anxiety. These people are in the up situations where
Speaker 1: they're um predisposed to falling for the Trump drift. I
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm saying. But I do
Speaker 1: think that a lot of this ship is in bad
Speaker 1: faith and a lot of it is purposely depending on
Speaker 1: people being logical indecent and using that against against them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we got to talk about who's
Speaker 1: economic anxiety because it's the it's like the economic anxiety
Speaker 1: if the upper middle class as well, that we're gonna
Speaker 1: enact redistributive policies that like make it so that they
Speaker 1: can't crush through the working class under their like still
Speaker 1: atos anymore. Like it's not necessarily like the oh, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking poor and like I'm at a you know, Mexicans
Speaker 1: and black people for taking my job. It's I'm rich,
Speaker 1: and I want to ensure that I can continue to
Speaker 1: funk over Mexicans and black people by paying them seven.
Speaker 1: It's those people. Yeah, I think it's also important that
Speaker 1: like we can't I think it's I think it's it's
Speaker 1: uh uh. I think we're already buying into the trap
Speaker 1: when we talk about um falling for the ift, because
Speaker 1: the fact is that white people have been comfortable living
Speaker 1: under fascism since white people became white people. There's never
Speaker 1: been a time where they actually shared power in any
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, large scale cooperative way. It's
Speaker 1: never happened. We've never done it. That's you know, like
Speaker 1: just just being real. Like the places in which we
Speaker 1: see people of color in power are places where people
Speaker 1: of color are the majority and took power. Um. So
Speaker 1: like I think I think that right there, like even
Speaker 1: just from the get go, is kind of a false framing.
Speaker 1: I also think that when we get to it, there's
Speaker 1: uh one of Bill Clinton's advisors, uh wrote a book
Speaker 1: called You're Fired um last year. That's mostly schlock um,
Speaker 1: but it does have one really salient statistic that are
Speaker 1: like fact that everyone should know, which is that the
Speaker 1: first time that Democrats ever won a majority of college
Speaker 1: educated white people was Hillary Clinton. That's the first time.
Speaker 1: It used to be up until I mean a little
Speaker 1: bit before that really, but up until Obama college educated
Speaker 1: white mint Republican. That's it because college educated white people
Speaker 1: had money, and we're out to protect their money. And
Speaker 1: after the election, we saw a whole lot of people, um,
Speaker 1: you know, try and push back on this narrative of
Speaker 1: economic anxiety and all that, um by pointing out that
Speaker 1: his base by and large was actually fairly wealthy. I
Speaker 1: do believe that the medium income for Trump supporters se Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's up there, um. And what makes that I think
Speaker 1: really salient? Um is that and I'm not this is
Speaker 1: not some incredible insight that like Paul Glaze has given
Speaker 1: you right now, people way smarter than me, usually women
Speaker 1: of color have said as before. But we're not looking
Speaker 1: at at economic anxiety because of the economy. We're looking
Speaker 1: at the d like in the chain of things of
Speaker 1: what begets power and what begets more money, whiteness used
Speaker 1: to be the top, and whiteness is now no longer
Speaker 1: the top. Now it is just concentration of money. Concentration
Speaker 1: of money brings power now because of whiteness. The vast
Speaker 1: majority of people with the concentrations of money are white
Speaker 1: in our society, and therefore like that perpetuates whiteness um.
Speaker 1: But those benefits UM of whiteness outside of the incarceration
Speaker 1: state UM and outside of um really like as white
Speaker 1: people have fled the cities, then there's not a whole
Speaker 1: lot of bases of economic power that white people can
Speaker 1: claim like via patronage um and so like, there is
Speaker 1: economic anxiety, but it's not the same thing as like
Speaker 1: the way we frame it. What can be done by
Speaker 1: people on our side to help prepare for this moment
Speaker 1: or what can they get into. I think that like
Speaker 1: organizing community defense is important. UM, like having like a
Speaker 1: discipline group of folks that are trained in defense of
Speaker 1: various kinds that can provide rapid response to situation. Since
Speaker 1: there is both a mistrust of law enforcement based on
Speaker 1: what you know findings revealed by the FBI as well.
Speaker 1: It's just like the their occupation of our communities and
Speaker 1: how that's eroded trust and law enforcement. UM. I think
Speaker 1: that is like a necessary component of the work to
Speaker 1: be done moving forward. You know, we take care of us,
Speaker 1: but we gotta have like organized and disciplined folks that
Speaker 1: like know their ship and know their community to do
Speaker 1: that work. UM. I think that uh I was a
Speaker 1: part of like a big push early in Trump's presidency,
Speaker 1: or people who are like contacting their lawmakers to like
Speaker 1: try to you know, delay the confirmations of various cabinet
Speaker 1: members and pressure them around various points of policy. UM.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of folks fell out of
Speaker 1: those habits, uh from a place of nihilism, of of cynicism,
Speaker 1: of defeat. But now is a time to step up
Speaker 1: and start pressuring those people again to step down if
Speaker 1: they were part of inciting last Wednesday's insurrection, of showing
Speaker 1: support for the bravery of folks like Corey Bush and
Speaker 1: Jamal Bowen who as their first acts of Congress are
Speaker 1: like seeking to expel or investigate like they're felt their
Speaker 1: colleagues Like that takes some serious balls, I think, and
Speaker 1: like kind of having their back, particularly as they could
Speaker 1: be made targets by the right uh in retaliation for
Speaker 1: those efforts. UM. I think those are that's important work
Speaker 1: to do. But from a citizen's perspective, that's those are
Speaker 1: the first things that come to mind. Even from a
Speaker 1: cynical perspective, UM, I think I don't always agree with
Speaker 1: killer Mike, but I think that, UM, black gun ownership
Speaker 1: is incredibly important right now. UM and this is twofold
Speaker 1: one because people got to defend themselves. But also from
Speaker 1: a cynical perspective, that's a m that gives people that
Speaker 1: have a vested interest in arming people UM who want
Speaker 1: to do the community harm a stake in different communities. UM.
Speaker 1: And that's a really cynical, terrible thing to say. UM.
Speaker 1: Right now, I would say the number one thing, UM
Speaker 1: would be establishing community UM uh emergency medicals UM. The
Speaker 1: volunteers UM. There are some Israelis in New Year that
Speaker 1: took a service from Israel to New York City UM
Speaker 1: where people it's basically like it's a volunteer emergency like
Speaker 1: UBER network essentially of UM of medical professionals UM and
Speaker 1: wherever you are UM. If you are, you know, part
Speaker 1: of part of the app attracts your location and prings
Speaker 1: the closest person UM and brings them in. And certainly
Speaker 1: like that that kind of infrastructure is not available to
Speaker 1: everybody UM. But if every neighborhood has one or two
Speaker 1: people that they know, because like look in Georgia, we
Speaker 1: know that certain communities are overrepresented amongst our ends are
Speaker 1: are overrepresented amongst UM, the people who are providing most
Speaker 1: of the medical services in underserved areas UM. And we
Speaker 1: need to have a hotline for that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: because maybe we can't afford to see the doctor. But
Speaker 1: right now in Georgia there are no ICU beds. They
Speaker 1: do not they are all full, they do not exist.
Speaker 1: Most hospitals are one third full of COVID patients. And
Speaker 1: they just found the first of the UK strain here.
Speaker 1: So that's only gonna get worse. So right, now until
Speaker 1: you know, our senators elect can find whatever grift they
Speaker 1: gotta do to re establish all of our rural hospitals. Um,
Speaker 1: then like that's a lifeline that has to be established
Speaker 1: as it stands there talking about sometime on the sevent
Speaker 1: and like having a nationwide storming of the capitals, you know,
Speaker 1: as Paul just told us, they're currently around the Texas
Speaker 1: capital and they've got all their guns in their signs
Speaker 1: as they do, and all their stuff. But I mean
Speaker 1: they've they've already we already as far as like the
Speaker 1: terrorism national security end of this, we've already seen their
Speaker 1: tactics in their playbook over the last five years in
Speaker 1: terms of what actual how their terrorism is actually gonna
Speaker 1: take for him. I mean, they're definitely gonna do their
Speaker 1: nineties style Oklahoma City bombing type stuff. But let's not
Speaker 1: forget Dylan Ruth happened after Donald Trump came down the steps,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And um, the Parkland shooter
Speaker 1: was a Trumper and the other I forget it was
Speaker 1: that Texas church. I forget which incident that was, but
Speaker 1: it was another one of those shootings back in that
Speaker 1: guy was a Trumper. The party True of Life Synagogue,
Speaker 1: the Christ Church in New Zealand. That guy was all
Speaker 1: right Internet trumper, even he was from Australia or whatever.
Speaker 1: Um and the dude who shot up the Walmart in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. When you see these gravy seals and y'all
Speaker 1: kata talking about civil war, civil war, So none of
Speaker 1: these dudes are dreaming of like guerrilla style urban warfare
Speaker 1: with Antifa forces in the streets of Chicago. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They're just talking about. When they say
Speaker 1: civil war, they're talking about I'm gonna shoot up a
Speaker 1: game club, you know. I mean, A're gonna shoot up
Speaker 1: a black church, and that's the strategy they're gonna use.
Speaker 1: So it's all very strong in cell energy. So just
Speaker 1: try to stay safe out there. I've been seeing the
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to pick y'all's brains about this and
Speaker 1: see what y'all thought about this. The thing that's been
Speaker 1: the other things that's been bugging me about some left
Speaker 1: commentary on the situation at hand, is like I don't
Speaker 1: understand how we've you know, I've seen some people bringing
Speaker 1: up the concern about the government's reaction to everything going on,
Speaker 1: and some leftists bringing up, and I think is a
Speaker 1: legitimate and good fair point about how like the FEDS
Speaker 1: might be using this right wing extremism as an excuse
Speaker 1: to do the military and adustrial you know, domestic surveillance overreach,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Patriot Act two point oh,
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And it's like, I totally understand
Speaker 1: that as a concern. I just don't necessarily like the
Speaker 1: framing that that is the expected reaction, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not at least it's not to me. And
Speaker 1: I totally could be wrong. And again we all have
Speaker 1: to remember everything that I say is from the context
Speaker 1: of somebody who did not live in the US until
Speaker 1: I was eighteen, you know what I'm saying, So take
Speaker 1: take that for what it is. But it seems to
Speaker 1: me like the expected reaction, like federal government reaction in
Speaker 1: the face of like a national rising right wing anti
Speaker 1: diversity movement, would be to look the other way, as
Speaker 1: opposed to, oh no, we gotta stop this. I mean,
Speaker 1: as a principal abolitionist, I have to I do share
Speaker 1: those concerns, and in the concern that we are continually
Speaker 1: focusing on catching the problem once it becomes a problem
Speaker 1: versus eliminating the conditions which can prise to the problem.
Speaker 1: And so expansions of the surveillance state, um, strengthening of
Speaker 1: like laws against domestic terror things like that is serve
Speaker 1: only to like to treat the symptoms of the problem.
Speaker 1: And uh, I have some hope that you know, I
Speaker 1: guess Biden recently it was like, yo, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be like beholden to austerity politics or something like that.
Speaker 1: And you know, Bernie Terror of the Senate Budget Committee,
Speaker 1: things like that, like we can get policies in place
Speaker 1: that again like help stabilize our communities such that fascism, authoritarianism, violence,
Speaker 1: things of this sort are no longer appealing, you know,
Speaker 1: through years of struggle, um, for folks that we are
Speaker 1: we are now having to deal with on the back
Speaker 1: end once they have already become problems. Um. And so
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't get caught up as much in
Speaker 1: the fear that like, oh, well, if we strengthened the police,
Speaker 1: stay strengthened, you know, surveillance, give more money to the police,
Speaker 1: whatever the stuff will be used against the left, because
Speaker 1: I think that, I mean, it's like, well, sure, um,
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at this as a left right problem.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this as like, what what do we
Speaker 1: actually what do we actually need to root out these
Speaker 1: societal ills? And the FBI being able to better listen
Speaker 1: into the phones of someone who's already a white supremacist, like,
Speaker 1: is the like that persons already white supremacist, you already lost,
Speaker 1: You already lost the game. I hear you. But as
Speaker 1: from a I mean the the white supremacist end of it, though,
Speaker 1: is just what tie they have, though, I mean that
Speaker 1: from a law enforcement standpoint, that argument could be made
Speaker 1: for anybody, you know what I'm saying, for any like
Speaker 1: organized group of people doing you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: some sort of like the thing that the only problem
Speaker 1: that I have with that is is just a lot
Speaker 1: of the way that fascist operate is manipulating the language
Speaker 1: and the argument of the left in order to make
Speaker 1: their ship easily digestible, because they know that progressive and
Speaker 1: left leaning, you know what I'm saying, like ship is
Speaker 1: more more like more appealing to just the bigger, massive people,
Speaker 1: and they know that their ship is scary and fringe
Speaker 1: and crazy, and that people don't most people don't want
Speaker 1: to be associated with it, so they mask a lot
Speaker 1: of their arguments and ship like that. Like the Nazis
Speaker 1: weren't socialists, but they definitely put that name in there
Speaker 1: because they wanted you know what I'm saying to to
Speaker 1: to appeal to, like not seem like what they were.
Speaker 1: And in that sense, we all know how the right
Speaker 1: wing utilizes, like, for example, the free speech argument, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and they manipulate it, and they
Speaker 1: manipulate like our genuine concerns about civil liberties and free
Speaker 1: speech for to get out their propaganda when none of
Speaker 1: them believe in that whatsoever. A couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: there was a video that was floating around of Richard Spencer,
Speaker 1: famous Nazi, actually like having this discussion with a bunch
Speaker 1: of other Nazis. They were like, hey, guys, so we
Speaker 1: don't believe in freedom of speech right, well, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: just for now and then when we take over then
Speaker 1: though I feel like worrying about things like just in
Speaker 1: the context of them, like worrying about like, oh man,
Speaker 1: it's really gonna suck if the government is overreaching and
Speaker 1: is cracking down on these guys, because they're going to
Speaker 1: do that to the left. They're gonna do that to
Speaker 1: the left anyway. If there's some big leftist movement that's
Speaker 1: going on, like, there's not gonna be any response from
Speaker 1: the government. It's like, let's crack down on the white guys.
Speaker 1: We didn't crack down on the Nazi, so we gotta
Speaker 1: leave it alone. Right, You're right, Let's that's not how
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. They're gonna come down on us anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's just matter whether we're concerned about this or not.
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't think we need more. I
Speaker 1: think that we're very clearly utilizing the infrastructure currently in
Speaker 1: place ineffectively by you know, classifying people, you know, like black,
Speaker 1: like Black Lives Matter people, as like black identity extremists,
Speaker 1: as opposed to like monitoring closely enough the machinations of
Speaker 1: the clue klux land So for exam so mac was saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: have any Black Lives Matter active has been put on
Speaker 1: the no fly list? Like, well, no, but now we
Speaker 1: see folks that were starting to capital you know, they
Speaker 1: can't get home and they're crying in the airport because
Speaker 1: they can't get on a plane now. And so that
Speaker 1: is an example of using our existing infrastructure effectively. Finally,
Speaker 1: so not that we need more of it, is that
Speaker 1: we have all the things in place that haven't been
Speaker 1: used against these people before. So that's so, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's another place where I stand on that issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with Mariah in that. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: in a perfect world, we would just be re prioritizing
Speaker 1: people who pose an actual threat and like, you know,
Speaker 1: intellectually honestly evaluating with the threat levels of different groups. Um.
Speaker 1: But it looks it's kind of a Faucian bargain. And
Speaker 1: if the bargain is we need to increase the budget
Speaker 1: for these organizations, which again historically have been some of
Speaker 1: the major tools of oppression of indigenous and black power
Speaker 1: movements he domestically and internationally. Um, you know, if we
Speaker 1: have to give them some more money in return for them,
Speaker 1: you know, like focusing where they need to focus, like
Speaker 1: as a short term you know deal, I'm fine with that, honestly.
Speaker 1: Like that's all right. Another big thing that is gaining
Speaker 1: support with pretty much everyone, because if you just stick
Speaker 1: to the message, it's pretty hard to argue against UM
Speaker 1: is a national registry of police Officers and law enforcement people,
Speaker 1: so they can't go from state to state or county
Speaker 1: to county, um and just get a new job after
Speaker 1: they you know, bust a homeless guy's head open for
Speaker 1: no reason. Um. But I think that if we're like,
Speaker 1: if you're an internationalist, then you kind of have to
Speaker 1: look at this as are we going to prioritize are
Speaker 1: we going to strengthen the networks that oppress us here
Speaker 1: at home, or are we going to strengthen the networks
Speaker 1: that oppress everyone else everywhere else? Um? As you know,
Speaker 1: like I I count myself as someone who tries to
Speaker 1: have international solidarity. I tend to say I'll take the
Speaker 1: people here, um. But also I have less skin in
Speaker 1: the game. Um. You know, so it's not really my
Speaker 1: place to say all the time. I think that the
Speaker 1: you know, the the real problem here is that like
Speaker 1: the surveillance states already complete, Like what else? What else
Speaker 1: do they need that they don't have? And if you
Speaker 1: can't answer that question, then then I I kind of
Speaker 1: think that this is I agree with you Mac that,
Speaker 1: like it is disingenuous of people to say to use
Speaker 1: the civil liberties argument to distract from the fact that
Speaker 1: for the first time in US history. Um, except for
Speaker 1: a brief spurt in the nineties. Uh, the FBI and
Speaker 1: the CIA or whoever are actually looking hardcore at white
Speaker 1: militia movements and acting in a public way. But they
Speaker 1: do they do track these people. The issue right now
Speaker 1: isn't that they It's not that they don't track these people,
Speaker 1: it's that these people are now there's now a wide
Speaker 1: enough base of um mentally disconnected, community disconnected white people
Speaker 1: that are willing to go while out in public as
Speaker 1: opposed to concentrated cells of individuals. With the point that
Speaker 1: you're making rise like and the point that you were
Speaker 1: making that the surveillance state is like already complete, You're right.
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to do more. They just
Speaker 1: need to reorder focus, you know what I'm saying In
Speaker 1: all fairness, I just I possibly don't know, but I
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about like Patriot Act two point oh
Speaker 1: or like an increased budget for this or increased budget
Speaker 1: for that. I haven't heard of that. I just huh No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about now, like in like in the within
Speaker 1: the last weekend show. I'm just I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: what I've been hearing has been about a reshifting of
Speaker 1: focus as far as like where the national security state
Speaker 1: is looking, because you know, it's a known thing. In
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, there was a study that was done
Speaker 1: that was warning, you know, in the post Obama being elected,
Speaker 1: it was a you know, national security intelligence briefing that
Speaker 1: was warning of, Yo, right wing white extremism is going
Speaker 1: to be the what we're going to be talking about
Speaker 1: it like in the for the next coming decades. Let's
Speaker 1: let's get on it. Let's make it a thing. Let's
Speaker 1: like put all of our efforts towards that. And Mitch
Speaker 1: McConnell made a huge thing about it and was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: if you bring this, if you bring any legislation up
Speaker 1: out of this, we're gonna like scream bloody murder. The
Speaker 1: same thing that they did with the Russia intelligence thing,
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you bring this up, we're gonna
Speaker 1: scream bloody murder and say that, oh, they got the
Speaker 1: black president and they're persecuting right wingers. This is about
Speaker 1: this is against conservatism. You guys, aren't you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? This is this you guys are persecuting conservatives
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. In Obama bitched and backed out
Speaker 1: and didn't do it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: ten years, fifteen years later, now we're eight years later,
Speaker 1: we're in a place where uh, right wing domestic extremism
Speaker 1: has killed more people than any Middle Middle Eastern Islamic extremism.
Speaker 1: You know. So what I've heard has just been a
Speaker 1: refocusing of, Hey, maybe we should utilize some of the
Speaker 1: surveillance state to like, actually, look at you know, motherfucker's
Speaker 1: that actually posed like a threat well and as it
Speaker 1: and as you you know, look at what you were
Speaker 1: talking about about, like ye, armed groups outside of the
Speaker 1: US versus you know, white militias here and white nationalists,
Speaker 1: and like, like what what we're what we're looking at
Speaker 1: structurally is we're looking at a Republican party that has
Speaker 1: a couple of different factions, but is mostly the Christians,
Speaker 1: the people with no government infrastructure, and people who are
Speaker 1: principally motivated by whiteness. Um. And then you have everybody
Speaker 1: else who, to some degree or another, are either disgusted
Speaker 1: with the entire process um or are in the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party UM loosely, you know, like the majority of the
Speaker 1: country actually doesn't identify with the party at all. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, I do agree with you that just
Speaker 1: because as like the quote like if if we're looking
Speaker 1: at like if we're gonna I'm gonna use a gross
Speaker 1: term and be like if we as Democrats, but like
Speaker 1: if we as Democrats allow ourselves to get bogged down
Speaker 1: into quote like like in party fighting, then we're kind
Speaker 1: of missing the point because regardless, we have to break
Speaker 1: the back of whiteness, and we've gotta break its back
Speaker 1: in our hardcore way. And then when everyone are like,
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm here, here we go, and I'm
Speaker 1: about to say some ship that like Trumpers, would you
Speaker 1: know absolutely say like, oh see if we told you,
Speaker 1: we told you that they believe in this, like yeah,
Speaker 1: when they are dependent upon government for jobs, then they're
Speaker 1: gonna be much less willing to go do funx shit.
Speaker 1: And I don't like that. That's my people, that's my community,
Speaker 1: that's my family. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: when left to our own devices, we have proven to
Speaker 1: be murderous to literally everyone else on the planet. So like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we either got a
Speaker 1: contextualize this within within the entire arc of white society
Speaker 1: and white quote unquote civilization, or we can you know,
Speaker 1: buy into this ideological device which doesn't really exist because
Speaker 1: the average person and the majority of white people. This
Speaker 1: is why sometimes it's a lot easier to organize amongst
Speaker 1: poor white folks, Like I can go to the average
Speaker 1: poor white folks, like you go to a tea party,
Speaker 1: like in I would go to like the verscythe County
Speaker 1: Fair and forsythe county is one of the reddest counties
Speaker 1: in the country. It's rapidly diversifying in its southern third
Speaker 1: and therefore like doesn't look that way now, but like
Speaker 1: this county didn't desegregate until so, like I go to
Speaker 1: the prosythe County Fair, and you go to the Republican
Speaker 1: tent and the Republicans can barely talk to you. I
Speaker 1: mean like it's it's like not fuck you, like demon
Speaker 1: rat all all the ship that they say libtards. You
Speaker 1: go to the tea party tent and they'll go right
Speaker 1: to the door of of like a decent materialist analysis
Speaker 1: and saying like oh no, like these like like the
Speaker 1: government is just like selling us out to corporations. Like
Speaker 1: they'll say things like that, and it's like okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so you do see something, you know, like like there
Speaker 1: is something happening here, and like, like we can work
Speaker 1: with that. The only problem is that's that ship the
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson like the pedals and manipulates like and that
Speaker 1: fucking pisces me off that like some leftists fall for that,
Speaker 1: not that you were obviously not, but it's just like
Speaker 1: some people really don't take into consideration that when a
Speaker 1: right winger says I hate corporations and when a leftist
Speaker 1: says I hate corporations, those biggas are talking about two
Speaker 1: completely different things, all right, Like the leftist is talking
Speaker 1: about I hate corporations in the way that we traditionally
Speaker 1: understand that somebody who's left leaning with hate corporations. The
Speaker 1: right winger is saying, I hate corporations because they don't
Speaker 1: funk with the Jews. That's pretty much what they mean.
Speaker 1: That's that's when when Tucker Carlson is talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: we've got to stop corporate takeover that city bank commercials
Speaker 1: now kind of ship. Yeah, not yet. So this was
Speaker 1: a good talk, as you guys can all probably tell
Speaker 1: us thing out there. This is definitely been on our
Speaker 1: mind a bit for the past few days, So thank
Speaker 1: you for letting us share that. UM, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get into the music discussion, and Paul's gonna stick around
Speaker 1: with us for the music discussion, so we'll be with
Speaker 1: that right after the jump. Okay, so that we're not
Speaker 1: completely mired in the emergency Doom and Gloom tried to
Speaker 1: We're still gonna have a music discussion for this episode. UM.
Speaker 1: I tried to find some songs of the past that
Speaker 1: had the theme of like revolution or writing. Um. Again,
Speaker 1: this is strictly just to lighten the mood and listen
Speaker 1: to some music, but still keeping in touch with the
Speaker 1: topic that we were talking on up. First, we have
Speaker 1: this track by d J. Green Lantern featuring Dead Prez
Speaker 1: both members Saigon is one of my favorites Immortal Technique
Speaker 1: and just Blaze. Uh. It is called Impeach the Presidents
Speaker 1: came out back in two thousand six. Um, like about
Speaker 1: Bush and the Iraq Ore and ship like that, but
Speaker 1: with Impeachment in the air, I figured it would be
Speaker 1: something interesting to listen to. Let's check it out. You
Speaker 1: also the reason because like that they say, you have
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to mind as I was
Speaker 1: listening to this song, it's like the liberal reaction to
Speaker 1: people calling out Obama was like, well, if all presidents
Speaker 1: are you know, if Obama was a war criminal, then
Speaker 1: so we're all presidents. It's like, well, I mean if
Speaker 1: you look at if you look at their you know
Speaker 1: what kind of track record historically, Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: kind of can't be the president. So one this is
Speaker 1: like exactly my ship, which is like a good classic
Speaker 1: brass section on the sample. But like, the two things
Speaker 1: that stick out to me, like first and foremost one
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, I know we've said this a
Speaker 1: million times, but the uh give them in a blowjob
Speaker 1: so we can impeach him? Um, how far we've fallen
Speaker 1: that Like that's what it used to take and now
Speaker 1: you can, you know, just like foment armed rebellion against
Speaker 1: the state and no one gives a fuck. Um, you know.
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think is like really
Speaker 1: hysterical is that, you know, the narrative for the people
Speaker 1: on the ground doesn't really ever change, you know, like
Speaker 1: we're talking about the same ship the entire time, and
Speaker 1: you can pretty much play any track like this and
Speaker 1: it's like the same themes, the same ship, and at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like George Bush is responsible
Speaker 1: for a million dead people in a rock period, point blank.
Speaker 1: And is that like better or worse than Trump? Like yeah, maybe,
Speaker 1: but like either way you can make an argument. But yeah,
Speaker 1: all presidents are war criminals. You know, I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this, ship um just last night because you know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking, damn if George Bush does have that,
Speaker 1: like he does have that list of bodies because he
Speaker 1: started the Iraq War. And you know, I know that
Speaker 1: people make that argument a lot, especially like now that
Speaker 1: because Trump has been such a train wreck like that,
Speaker 1: like the Bush name has kind of been shadow rehabilitated
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: like I get it. But the thing that I that
Speaker 1: I try to look at, and this isn't in no
Speaker 1: way I mean, ship, I don't think I need to
Speaker 1: say this like this is in no way any sort
Speaker 1: of like excusing of George W. Bush or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But we did go to war for like twenty years,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and that that having happened
Speaker 1: created a level of war weariness in the populace that
Speaker 1: Trump actually could use. Yo, not going to war is
Speaker 1: one of his things to run, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: But four years later, with what we know about Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: if just the general American public, like like, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong, the war machine has kept going. The industrial
Speaker 1: military clans. We all know about all that ship, but
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a bright side sort of
Speaker 1: thing where it's like now, in order to do ship,
Speaker 1: they have to do like fucking secret clandestine stuff and
Speaker 1: they can't just like openly like galvanize the country to
Speaker 1: want to go to like an open ground war with
Speaker 1: people and ship. Whereas if we didn't have that weariness
Speaker 1: already built up because of what George Bush did, can
Speaker 1: you imagine what Donald Trump would have like done with
Speaker 1: like the military and just like I mean we're talking
Speaker 1: now about them trying to push going to war with
Speaker 1: Iran on like the last days. Like if you think
Speaker 1: if Donald Trump thought he couldn't get a political benefit
Speaker 1: out of it, that we wouldn't have been going to
Speaker 1: war with Iran like something. I think. The other funny
Speaker 1: part is that, like, you know, when we think back
Speaker 1: about the Bush years, and we all know that you know,
Speaker 1: Dick Cheney is you know, he's the public master, and
Speaker 1: it's because the line in there about you know, if
Speaker 1: you can handle. If you can handle Dick and get
Speaker 1: him out of the way, then you've got you know.
Speaker 1: George Bush kind of neutered how long did liberals labor
Speaker 1: under the delusion that Pince was gonna do something to
Speaker 1: like rain in Trump's like darker impulses, Like even now
Speaker 1: this week they're like, oh, Pence, he's gonna do the
Speaker 1: He's moment, and it's like, y'all, Pince's only job is
Speaker 1: for White Christianity to have their guy in there as
Speaker 1: a check on Trump. Like that's it. And Trump did
Speaker 1: his job by them, So who cares just to have
Speaker 1: the the the veneer that he will have to have
Speaker 1: the check on Trump, not that will actually do it,
Speaker 1: but he's there so that the Liberals can point to
Speaker 1: him and that White Christianity can point to him and
Speaker 1: say like, oh, everything's gonna be okay. Uh as if
Speaker 1: his mere presence accomplishes the fact when we're saying that
Speaker 1: he hasn't done shut it's not going to your ship.
Speaker 1: He's not going to And I guess even if he did,
Speaker 1: half the cabinet has resigned, so like conveniently like oh
Speaker 1: there's something I can do. Shit, it's one right now.
Speaker 1: So what do you guys think about a song like
Speaker 1: this coming out back in two thousand and six, And
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got we've got the spat of songs
Speaker 1: that we've covered that came out over the summer, and
Speaker 1: then we have, like, you know, the handful of Donald
Speaker 1: Trump songs that were made. Are you this makes you
Speaker 1: like a bit more disappointed or surprised or whatever that
Speaker 1: there's not more songs of protests and stuff because this
Speaker 1: is just a mixtape song Like this is just something
Speaker 1: that's on like a mixtape with a bunch of rappers,
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm not even necessarily talking about songs
Speaker 1: about protests, but just like about like this political situation.
Speaker 1: It's political moment, I mean kind of because even if
Speaker 1: we don't expect and because as I've discussed on previous podcast,
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't hate on rappers for waiting
Speaker 1: into political waters where they don't have an informed opinion
Speaker 1: to give, Like thank you for staying out of it
Speaker 1: if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation.
Speaker 1: But like a mortal technique is like not inactive like
Speaker 1: who else on this track dead Press, Like it's not
Speaker 1: like they're like not like where are they now? Like
Speaker 1: these are the kind of cats I would trust to
Speaker 1: like bring forward like salient and like insightful political analysis
Speaker 1: on the situation that also bops. Uh So it's like
Speaker 1: perhaps there is a lack of leadership within the hip
Speaker 1: hop community that sort of lead the way of like
Speaker 1: this is what like you can make a protest on
Speaker 1: that bobs and also is like incisive in its analysis
Speaker 1: of what is going on? And ain't nobody really like
Speaker 1: step up other than like, oh this was my first
Speaker 1: protests and like a marching and like feels good, I'm
Speaker 1: standing up standing up for what BRA? Like what do
Speaker 1: you like? What's your policy prescriptions? BRA? Like what do
Speaker 1: you want to see happen? Actually I agree, and I
Speaker 1: agreed with you back then in in that episode too
Speaker 1: that it's like it's best if you have nothing to say,
Speaker 1: don't say anything, you know what I'm saying, or if
Speaker 1: you have nothing to contribute to the conversation. But I
Speaker 1: mean it's not necessarily like this song was like a
Speaker 1: big song. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this is like a
Speaker 1: hidden gem. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like I
Speaker 1: would doubt that it's a significant amount of people who
Speaker 1: heard the song in comparison to other songs, but just
Speaker 1: in an industry or art form where we're always talking
Speaker 1: about the turnover and like how you know, the youth
Speaker 1: movement is the main component of it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I hear your point on Like these are
Speaker 1: like the rappers that are they're not active, Like I
Speaker 1: did a song with Stick from Dead Press, so like
Speaker 1: he's definitely still making stuff, Saigon still doing, like everyone
Speaker 1: Saigon just signed to Strange music. Everybody's still working and
Speaker 1: it's still active. And these are like voices that have
Speaker 1: been around, you know what I mean that we could
Speaker 1: could depend on to drop some real ship. But the
Speaker 1: songs from two thousand and six, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's just like I'm just I'm kind of surprised that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not more of a in in in
Speaker 1: these times, because because it's a sign of what people
Speaker 1: are are just interested in, you know, So even if
Speaker 1: if a motherfucker might not have anything super constructive to
Speaker 1: add to the discussion, it just lets It's just to me,
Speaker 1: it's another one of those things that lets you know
Speaker 1: where artist's head is at and lets you know that
Speaker 1: you're living in the same world. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying here, we are. We had this whole elaborate episode
Speaker 1: that we wanted to do about some ship that we
Speaker 1: were both genuinely into, like on the nerd culture, nerd
Speaker 1: black culture and ship like that, and then we're like, yo,
Speaker 1: that really doesn't fit how we're feeling because of the
Speaker 1: world that we live in, and this is our outlet,
Speaker 1: so it's going to reflect what we're thinking really limit
Speaker 1: to make sense. So like we we're dealing with it
Speaker 1: in the way that we can. I just expect, you know,
Speaker 1: especially for some of these guys that you know are
Speaker 1: like studio rats are always cranking out music. I'm just
Speaker 1: surprised that it's like not every other day. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying on this blog here, that blog here, Yo, here's
Speaker 1: a new anti Trump for anti well, I don't know,
Speaker 1: pro democracy at this point. I mean, he even gotta
Speaker 1: be for Joe Biden, y'all know, I'm not, but like,
Speaker 1: for love of God, like, let our institutions do what
Speaker 1: they're supposed to do, I guess. And it's also I
Speaker 1: think I think there's like two other salient points. One
Speaker 1: is that I think it's easy to forget in everything
Speaker 1: that's happened in the last fifteen years, how like formative
Speaker 1: Katrina was like that more I think, honestly more than
Speaker 1: more than a rock like Katrina was a real mobilizing,
Speaker 1: you know event in our in our failures there, I mean,
Speaker 1: when we lost ten thousand kids of the public school
Speaker 1: system just disappeared. And the second is that, you know,
Speaker 1: now the narrative is kind of changed from like the
Speaker 1: heads of hip hop like now it's you know, the message,
Speaker 1: if you can characterize any like over the top message,
Speaker 1: it's black capitalism. And like when you go to black capitalism,
Speaker 1: you go to an individualism place, um, and that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily as conducive to social movements, you know, as a
Speaker 1: community upliftment. Up next, we got a track by I
Speaker 1: got a track by ice Cube off of one of
Speaker 1: my favorite albums when I was a kid, Predator. This
Speaker 1: is a song addressing the l A riots called Tear
Speaker 1: this Motherfucker Up. The song is really dope. Let's check
Speaker 1: this out. Thanks to get some respect, we had to
Speaker 1: ted as motherfucker and I heard the song a number
Speaker 1: of times but hadn't really like pegged. Some of the
Speaker 1: references were explicitly uh tied to the two l A riots,
Speaker 1: like talking about like beating up on the cops that
Speaker 1: beat up on Rodney King, talking about how your national
Speaker 1: guarden a and ship you gotta send in the swat.
Speaker 1: I just never caught a lot of those references before.
Speaker 1: I just thought he was just on some regular you know,
Speaker 1: ice cube shin. I think I think that's like a
Speaker 1: point of what makes songs like that great in a
Speaker 1: way is because if you just put it on and
Speaker 1: you just listen to it, like just not necessarily analytically
Speaker 1: like that, it's just like a dope rap song, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean you could just if you're not even really
Speaker 1: catching that he's dropping the names of the officers and ship.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's just like rapper tough guy talk.
Speaker 1: I'll beat this dude up, I'll go to this dude's house,
Speaker 1: I'll bring the beef to your doorstet, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But it's like, then if you listen to
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, wait, he's talking about all the
Speaker 1: cops that beat Rodney Kigg, Okay, you know, then it
Speaker 1: just adds more context to it if you want to
Speaker 1: listen to it that way, if you're sucking drunk or
Speaker 1: high and it's just the dope beat and Ice Cep
Speaker 1: saying some slick ship that's robing dope. Yeah, I'm saying
Speaker 1: you can take it that way too. And I think
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it doesn't come off
Speaker 1: sounding like a fucking p s A or like message rap,
Speaker 1: you know, And that is I think, like as I
Speaker 1: think I bring up oftentimes on the show, like the
Speaker 1: underlying political power of hip hop, of creating these like
Speaker 1: subtle entryways into historical moments or just this cussion of
Speaker 1: like policy prescription, like through a song that you just
Speaker 1: put on in the background and jam two when you're
Speaker 1: driving to work every morning until the day it hits
Speaker 1: you that he's talking about how the National guardenship and
Speaker 1: that you're like waity, oh, wait a second, wait a second.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like a weird comparison,
Speaker 1: but it kind of reminds me like it kind of
Speaker 1: makes cube like like a black Charles Bronson from Death Wish,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's righteous, but it's also it's also a vengeance, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like like it's it's definitely Uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know what. What sticks out to me now, like I
Speaker 1: guess looking back in is how much more explicit and
Speaker 1: radical this is than the vast majority of ship that
Speaker 1: comes out today. Um, like even people that are even
Speaker 1: people that you know are mask grade and like that.
Speaker 1: And it's like, man, like the guy didn't have to
Speaker 1: talk about like literally anything except for this one situation
Speaker 1: he was in. He didn't have to like bring extra
Speaker 1: credit with him. He like, it just stands on its own.
Speaker 1: And if you contrast that with, um, what was the
Speaker 1: name of the Little Baby song that came out earlier
Speaker 1: in the summer, The Bigger Picture? Yeah, if you contrast
Speaker 1: that with the Bigger Picture, which was a good song
Speaker 1: that I did enjoy, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: like ice Cube was probably younger than the Baby was
Speaker 1: when he made this, the Little Baby was when he
Speaker 1: made this, And um, this is a way like if
Speaker 1: this had if if this had come out during the
Speaker 1: heat of the George Floyd protests, I think people would
Speaker 1: be saying, yeah, this is a really irresponsible song released
Speaker 1: right now, Like I think audience would feel that way
Speaker 1: about it. So that's it for the music discussions, just
Speaker 1: a little light. Trust me. We have so many songs
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be talking about next week on the
Speaker 1: NERD episode, you know, assuming that that's what we're able
Speaker 1: to do. But um, you know, so we're going to
Speaker 1: have a long music discussion when that comes along. But um,
Speaker 1: is there anything else that you wanted to talk about? Marie?
Speaker 1: What do you think it's a likelihood of of them
Speaker 1: passing Jamal Bowman's uh who act? Which is it's a
Speaker 1: it's a um, Jamal Bowman. He's a newly elected congressman
Speaker 1: out of New York. Um, you know, new member of
Speaker 1: the squad. Supposedly, we'll see, you know, I have faith.
Speaker 1: I'm just like you know. It's a little grain of song. Um.
Speaker 1: But his bill would commission an investigation into ties between
Speaker 1: UH police officers, UH and other government officials and the
Speaker 1: white supremacist that sees the Capitol one day, um, to
Speaker 1: sort of uncover the depth of that corruption and the
Speaker 1: depths of the shall we say, uh, what's the word
Speaker 1: like entagle vincent? Now like the like the the relationship, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the degree to which there was coordination, the degree to
Speaker 1: which there was coordination between these entities, Um, so I
Speaker 1: don't know, So you hadn't heard of heard about that? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I know Corey Bushes before the bill to expel
Speaker 1: Republican members of Congress, which is like very unlikely to
Speaker 1: succeed unfortunately, because I do think they need to go.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like democraspy weak man. They don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't start playing nasty and then
Speaker 1: that's completely unwilling to I mean, I if if if
Speaker 1: he's proposing that, I agree with that. I think that
Speaker 1: sort of thing and what Corey Bush was just trying
Speaker 1: to do too, I think I think that is like
Speaker 1: the most important thing right now to do is to
Speaker 1: like tackle that ship right now. I think the the
Speaker 1: thing that's really going to hurt us is if we
Speaker 1: treat the situation like the Republicans have a leg to
Speaker 1: stand on in it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: if if if we treat them like it's like, oh man,
Speaker 1: you know, we can't really go all out prosecute or
Speaker 1: persecuting them for what happened, because you know what about
Speaker 1: when you know, then it's just gonna swing the pendulum
Speaker 1: so far to that way that they'll start persecuting us
Speaker 1: when they have power, and and it's like they're going
Speaker 1: to anyway, you know what I'm saying, Like they're they're
Speaker 1: they're definitely gonna try to impeach Biden just to be
Speaker 1: obstruction as you know what I'm saying. For no reason.
Speaker 1: They're just like like they're talking about all this ship
Speaker 1: about cheating elections because they're definitely going to try to
Speaker 1: cheat whatever elections come up next, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like, we just gotta be prepared for this,
Speaker 1: and I think that stuff like aggressive legislation, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, to at least make it clear that
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, the people who are cool with this ship,
Speaker 1: they can expose themselves because they either voted for these
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, these efforts are they voted
Speaker 1: against it. So we know who's who. And that's an
Speaker 1: important thing right now, is to know who's who, because
Speaker 1: this is like some deep seated spy versus spy ship
Speaker 1: going on it right now. That's like really kind of scary. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: I mean the next time that you guys hear us,
Speaker 1: my birthday is on Sunday, so I'll be a year
Speaker 1: older hopefully, you know. Hopefully, I don't want to be
Speaker 1: gloom and doom, but hopefully there's the ship's just talk
Speaker 1: and it's just internet ship, and then we'll be you know,
Speaker 1: and we'll be with you guys next week talking about
Speaker 1: damn you guys remember that last week when we were
Speaker 1: all scared and fucked up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But just in case it's not, everybody be safe out there.
Speaker 1: We do as of now. Next week we're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing that Mega Ran or the nerd episode where we
Speaker 1: have the Mega Ran interview. It's gonna be real dope.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some rappid things. Joel, give me a
Speaker 1: beat year since my birthday is on Sunday. Spent this
Speaker 1: first day rail for my birthday, like four years ago,
Speaker 1: cool and chilling in my Beat Boys dance tip bucket,
Speaker 1: watching pet Boys dance some block supply pressure, letting need
Speaker 1: Moy's hands, even though I thought I never stood a
Speaker 1: decoy's chance. I don't know what it is. Brains I'll
Speaker 1: be going against. Used to younger fol show now control
Speaker 1: when I spit, and I always put the knowledge on
Speaker 1: the soul of my tembs because I don't want to
Speaker 1: see a jail. I have to show what my prints
Speaker 1: that ain't there, Entyson to be doing. Life in the
Speaker 1: big life can feel like a prize fight with Tyson
Speaker 1: the ring. I'm a little back, I realized that, but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to screams. Get the crumbs, eat the plate
Speaker 1: and every slice of the thing. It's got to be barriers.
Speaker 1: Let the steam carry you through the beef grief and
Speaker 1: survived the leech area. Scary rise in your moment to defeat,
Speaker 1: even when the hands you lemon's dug you know you
Speaker 1: gotta eat. You to it enough to see if my
Speaker 1: dash is here. But it's a macahettic and Brandish magnis it.
Speaker 1: When he grabs me, he drags me to a van
Speaker 1: and put me in the back of it. I say,
Speaker 1: can I get to my ancestors. He's saying, Lynn, shut
Speaker 1: the funk up, bitchy screaming. It's bloodshed sweater, God, do
Speaker 1: you even think about running and get guns? And he's
Speaker 1: bad And I'll look with that sun dress. And speaking
Speaker 1: of which I'm gonna need you to undress. They found
Speaker 1: my corps firstly dead on my doorstep. I think to
Speaker 1: myself as an unzipped my orange dress. He wasn't the communist.
Speaker 1: He probably be gorgeous, he whispers. Is he put the
Speaker 1: pistol to my forehead? God, damn that was dark. Hey yo,
Speaker 1: my name's Dope Franca. We are waiting on reparations. Hurry up,
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