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Speaker 1: Mike check, microphone check up. Yo, yo yo. These right

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Speaker 1: them tickets? You still Lookford, y'all? Kada Larvin and trying

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Speaker 1: no fly list. No cry bitch. Nobody likes you when

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Speaker 1: you do trees and after night shift. I need them reparations,

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Speaker 1: but I'm waiting for impeachment. Say black lives matter. Then

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Speaker 1: started insurrection. Tell me what the fun Good Morning to

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Speaker 1: when the insurrection is turned. They yes on the general

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Speaker 1: I'm ready for war, just like they were yelling when

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Speaker 1: Dope Knight and we are waiting on preparations. Hey, what's

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Speaker 1: going on, everybody? So again we're doing it to y'all.

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Speaker 1: We've switched out the episode topic today. We did mention

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Speaker 1: I mean. We have like a really dope b ass

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Speaker 1: So to give a quick little recap of what went down,

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Speaker 1: you know, try and push back on this narrative of

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Speaker 1: economic anxiety and all that, um by pointing out that

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Speaker 1: his base by and large was actually fairly wealthy. I

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Speaker 1: do believe that the medium income for Trump supporters se Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's up there, um. And what makes that I think

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Speaker 1: really salient? Um is that and I'm not this is

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Speaker 1: not some incredible insight that like Paul Glaze has given

436
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: you right now, people way smarter than me, usually women

437
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Speaker 1: of color have said as before. But we're not looking

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Speaker 1: at at economic anxiety because of the economy. We're looking

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00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: at the d like in the chain of things of

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Speaker 1: what begets power and what begets more money, whiteness used

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Speaker 1: to be the top, and whiteness is now no longer

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Speaker 1: the top. Now it is just concentration of money. Concentration

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Speaker 1: of money brings power now because of whiteness. The vast

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Speaker 1: majority of people with the concentrations of money are white

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Speaker 1: in our society, and therefore like that perpetuates whiteness um.

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Speaker 1: But those benefits UM of whiteness outside of the incarceration

447
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: state UM and outside of um really like as white

448
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: people have fled the cities, then there's not a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of bases of economic power that white people can

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Speaker 1: claim like via patronage um and so like, there is

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Speaker 1: economic anxiety, but it's not the same thing as like

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Speaker 1: the way we frame it. What can be done by

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Speaker 1: people on our side to help prepare for this moment

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Speaker 1: or what can they get into. I think that like

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Speaker 1: organizing community defense is important. UM, like having like a

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Speaker 1: discipline group of folks that are trained in defense of

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Speaker 1: various kinds that can provide rapid response to situation. Since

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Speaker 1: there is both a mistrust of law enforcement based on

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Speaker 1: what you know findings revealed by the FBI as well.

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Speaker 1: It's just like the their occupation of our communities and

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00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: how that's eroded trust and law enforcement. UM. I think

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Speaker 1: that is like a necessary component of the work to

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Speaker 1: be done moving forward. You know, we take care of us,

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Speaker 1: but we gotta have like organized and disciplined folks that

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Speaker 1: like know their ship and know their community to do

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Speaker 1: that work. UM. I think that uh I was a

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Speaker 1: part of like a big push early in Trump's presidency,

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Speaker 1: or people who are like contacting their lawmakers to like

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Speaker 1: try to you know, delay the confirmations of various cabinet

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Speaker 1: members and pressure them around various points of policy. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of folks fell out of

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Speaker 1: those habits, uh from a place of nihilism, of of cynicism,

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Speaker 1: of defeat. But now is a time to step up

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Speaker 1: and start pressuring those people again to step down if

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Speaker 1: they were part of inciting last Wednesday's insurrection, of showing

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Speaker 1: support for the bravery of folks like Corey Bush and

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Speaker 1: Jamal Bowen who as their first acts of Congress are

478
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Speaker 1: like seeking to expel or investigate like they're felt their

479
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: colleagues Like that takes some serious balls, I think, and

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Speaker 1: like kind of having their back, particularly as they could

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Speaker 1: be made targets by the right uh in retaliation for

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Speaker 1: those efforts. UM. I think those are that's important work

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Speaker 1: to do. But from a citizen's perspective, that's those are

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Speaker 1: the first things that come to mind. Even from a

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Speaker 1: cynical perspective, UM, I think I don't always agree with

486
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Speaker 1: killer Mike, but I think that, UM, black gun ownership

487
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: is incredibly important right now. UM and this is twofold

488
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Speaker 1: one because people got to defend themselves. But also from

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Speaker 1: a cynical perspective, that's a m that gives people that

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Speaker 1: have a vested interest in arming people UM who want

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Speaker 1: to do the community harm a stake in different communities. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that's a really cynical, terrible thing to say. UM.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I would say the number one thing, UM

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Speaker 1: would be establishing community UM uh emergency medicals UM. The

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Speaker 1: volunteers UM. There are some Israelis in New Year that

496
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: took a service from Israel to New York City UM

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00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: where people it's basically like it's a volunteer emergency like

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Speaker 1: UBER network essentially of UM of medical professionals UM and

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Speaker 1: wherever you are UM. If you are, you know, part

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Speaker 1: of part of the app attracts your location and prings

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Speaker 1: the closest person UM and brings them in. And certainly

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00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: like that that kind of infrastructure is not available to

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Speaker 1: everybody UM. But if every neighborhood has one or two

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00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: people that they know, because like look in Georgia, we

505
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: know that certain communities are overrepresented amongst our ends are

506
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: are overrepresented amongst UM, the people who are providing most

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00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: of the medical services in underserved areas UM. And we

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Speaker 1: need to have a hotline for that kind of stuff

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Speaker 1: because maybe we can't afford to see the doctor. But

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00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: right now in Georgia there are no ICU beds. They

511
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: do not they are all full, they do not exist.

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Speaker 1: Most hospitals are one third full of COVID patients. And

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Speaker 1: they just found the first of the UK strain here.

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00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: So that's only gonna get worse. So right, now until

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Speaker 1: you know, our senators elect can find whatever grift they

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00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: gotta do to re establish all of our rural hospitals. Um,

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Speaker 1: then like that's a lifeline that has to be established

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Speaker 1: as it stands there talking about sometime on the sevent

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Speaker 1: and like having a nationwide storming of the capitals, you know,

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00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: as Paul just told us, they're currently around the Texas

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Speaker 1: capital and they've got all their guns in their signs

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00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: as they do, and all their stuff. But I mean

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Speaker 1: they've they've already we already as far as like the

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Speaker 1: terrorism national security end of this, we've already seen their

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00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: tactics in their playbook over the last five years in

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Speaker 1: terms of what actual how their terrorism is actually gonna

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Speaker 1: take for him. I mean, they're definitely gonna do their

528
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Speaker 1: nineties style Oklahoma City bombing type stuff. But let's not

529
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Speaker 1: forget Dylan Ruth happened after Donald Trump came down the steps,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And um, the Parkland shooter

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Speaker 1: was a Trumper and the other I forget it was

532
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: that Texas church. I forget which incident that was, but

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Speaker 1: it was another one of those shootings back in that

534
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Speaker 1: guy was a Trumper. The party True of Life Synagogue,

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Speaker 1: the Christ Church in New Zealand. That guy was all

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Speaker 1: right Internet trumper, even he was from Australia or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Um and the dude who shot up the Walmart in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. When you see these gravy seals and y'all

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00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: kata talking about civil war, civil war, So none of

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00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: these dudes are dreaming of like guerrilla style urban warfare

541
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Speaker 1: with Antifa forces in the streets of Chicago. You know

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00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. They're just talking about. When they say

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Speaker 1: civil war, they're talking about I'm gonna shoot up a

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Speaker 1: game club, you know. I mean, A're gonna shoot up

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Speaker 1: a black church, and that's the strategy they're gonna use.

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00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: So it's all very strong in cell energy. So just

547
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: try to stay safe out there. I've been seeing the

548
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to pick y'all's brains about this and

549
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: see what y'all thought about this. The thing that's been

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00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: the other things that's been bugging me about some left

551
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: commentary on the situation at hand, is like I don't

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00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: understand how we've you know, I've seen some people bringing

553
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: up the concern about the government's reaction to everything going on,

554
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: and some leftists bringing up, and I think is a

555
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: legitimate and good fair point about how like the FEDS

556
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: might be using this right wing extremism as an excuse

557
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 1: to do the military and adustrial you know, domestic surveillance overreach,

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00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Patriot Act two point oh,

559
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. And it's like, I totally understand

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00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: that as a concern. I just don't necessarily like the

561
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: framing that that is the expected reaction, you know what

562
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not at least it's not to me. And

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00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I totally could be wrong. And again we all have

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Speaker 1: to remember everything that I say is from the context

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Speaker 1: of somebody who did not live in the US until

566
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Speaker 1: I was eighteen, you know what I'm saying, So take

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Speaker 1: take that for what it is. But it seems to

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00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: me like the expected reaction, like federal government reaction in

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Speaker 1: the face of like a national rising right wing anti

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Speaker 1: diversity movement, would be to look the other way, as

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00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: opposed to, oh no, we gotta stop this. I mean,

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00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: as a principal abolitionist, I have to I do share

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Speaker 1: those concerns, and in the concern that we are continually

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Speaker 1: focusing on catching the problem once it becomes a problem

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00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 1: versus eliminating the conditions which can prise to the problem.

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Speaker 1: And so expansions of the surveillance state, um, strengthening of

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00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: like laws against domestic terror things like that is serve

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00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: only to like to treat the symptoms of the problem.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I have some hope that you know, I

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00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: guess Biden recently it was like, yo, I'm not gonna

581
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: be like beholden to austerity politics or something like that.

582
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: And you know, Bernie Terror of the Senate Budget Committee,

583
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: things like that, like we can get policies in place

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00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: that again like help stabilize our communities such that fascism, authoritarianism, violence,

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00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: things of this sort are no longer appealing, you know,

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00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: through years of struggle, um, for folks that we are

587
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: we are now having to deal with on the back

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00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: end once they have already become problems. Um. And so

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00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't get caught up as much in

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Speaker 1: the fear that like, oh, well, if we strengthened the police,

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00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: stay strengthened, you know, surveillance, give more money to the police,

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00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: whatever the stuff will be used against the left, because

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Speaker 1: I think that, I mean, it's like, well, sure, um,

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00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at this as a left right problem.

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00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this as like, what what do we

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00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: actually what do we actually need to root out these

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00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: societal ills? And the FBI being able to better listen

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Speaker 1: into the phones of someone who's already a white supremacist, like,

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00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: is the like that persons already white supremacist, you already lost,

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00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: You already lost the game. I hear you. But as

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00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: from a I mean the the white supremacist end of it, though,

602
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: is just what tie they have, though, I mean that

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00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: from a law enforcement standpoint, that argument could be made

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Speaker 1: for anybody, you know what I'm saying, for any like

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00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: organized group of people doing you know what I'm saying

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00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: some sort of like the thing that the only problem

607
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: that I have with that is is just a lot

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00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: of the way that fascist operate is manipulating the language

609
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: and the argument of the left in order to make

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Speaker 1: their ship easily digestible, because they know that progressive and

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00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: left leaning, you know what I'm saying, like ship is

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Speaker 1: more more like more appealing to just the bigger, massive people,

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00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: and they know that their ship is scary and fringe

614
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: and crazy, and that people don't most people don't want

615
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: to be associated with it, so they mask a lot

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00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: of their arguments and ship like that. Like the Nazis

617
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: weren't socialists, but they definitely put that name in there

618
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: because they wanted you know what I'm saying to to

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Speaker 1: to appeal to, like not seem like what they were.

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00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: And in that sense, we all know how the right

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00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: wing utilizes, like, for example, the free speech argument, you

622
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and they manipulate it, and they

623
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: manipulate like our genuine concerns about civil liberties and free

624
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: speech for to get out their propaganda when none of

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00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: them believe in that whatsoever. A couple of years ago,

626
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: there was a video that was floating around of Richard Spencer,

627
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Speaker 1: famous Nazi, actually like having this discussion with a bunch

628
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: of other Nazis. They were like, hey, guys, so we

629
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: don't believe in freedom of speech right, well, no, no, no, no,

630
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Speaker 1: just for now and then when we take over then

631
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: though I feel like worrying about things like just in

632
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: the context of them, like worrying about like, oh man,

633
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: it's really gonna suck if the government is overreaching and

634
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: is cracking down on these guys, because they're going to

635
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: do that to the left. They're gonna do that to

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00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: the left anyway. If there's some big leftist movement that's

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00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: going on, like, there's not gonna be any response from

638
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: the government. It's like, let's crack down on the white guys.

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00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: We didn't crack down on the Nazi, so we gotta

640
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: leave it alone. Right, You're right, Let's that's not how

641
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. They're gonna come down on us anyway.

642
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: So it's just matter whether we're concerned about this or not.

643
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Speaker 1: It's not that I don't think we need more. I

644
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Speaker 1: think that we're very clearly utilizing the infrastructure currently in

645
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Speaker 1: place ineffectively by you know, classifying people, you know, like black,

646
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Speaker 1: like Black Lives Matter people, as like black identity extremists,

647
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Speaker 1: as opposed to like monitoring closely enough the machinations of

648
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Speaker 1: the clue klux land So for exam so mac was saying, like, oh,

649
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Speaker 1: have any Black Lives Matter active has been put on

650
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Speaker 1: the no fly list? Like, well, no, but now we

651
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Speaker 1: see folks that were starting to capital you know, they

652
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: can't get home and they're crying in the airport because

653
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: they can't get on a plane now. And so that

654
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Speaker 1: is an example of using our existing infrastructure effectively. Finally,

655
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Speaker 1: so not that we need more of it, is that

656
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Speaker 1: we have all the things in place that haven't been

657
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Speaker 1: used against these people before. So that's so, I mean,

658
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Speaker 1: that's another place where I stand on that issue. Yeah,

659
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Speaker 1: I tend to agree with Mariah in that. Um. You know,

660
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Speaker 1: in a perfect world, we would just be re prioritizing

661
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: people who pose an actual threat and like, you know,

662
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: intellectually honestly evaluating with the threat levels of different groups. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it looks it's kind of a Faucian bargain. And

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Speaker 1: if the bargain is we need to increase the budget

665
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Speaker 1: for these organizations, which again historically have been some of

666
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: the major tools of oppression of indigenous and black power

667
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: movements he domestically and internationally. Um, you know, if we

668
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Speaker 1: have to give them some more money in return for them,

669
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Speaker 1: you know, like focusing where they need to focus, like

670
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Speaker 1: as a short term you know deal, I'm fine with that, honestly.

671
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: Like that's all right. Another big thing that is gaining

672
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Speaker 1: support with pretty much everyone, because if you just stick

673
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: to the message, it's pretty hard to argue against UM

674
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: is a national registry of police Officers and law enforcement people,

675
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 1: so they can't go from state to state or county

676
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: to county, um and just get a new job after

677
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: they you know, bust a homeless guy's head open for

678
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Speaker 1: no reason. Um. But I think that if we're like,

679
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: if you're an internationalist, then you kind of have to

680
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: look at this as are we going to prioritize are

681
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Speaker 1: we going to strengthen the networks that oppress us here

682
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Speaker 1: at home, or are we going to strengthen the networks

683
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Speaker 1: that oppress everyone else everywhere else? Um? As you know,

684
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Speaker 1: like I I count myself as someone who tries to

685
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Speaker 1: have international solidarity. I tend to say I'll take the

686
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Speaker 1: people here, um. But also I have less skin in

687
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Speaker 1: the game. Um. You know, so it's not really my

688
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: place to say all the time. I think that the

689
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, the the real problem here is that like

690
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: the surveillance states already complete, Like what else? What else

691
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: do they need that they don't have? And if you

692
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: can't answer that question, then then I I kind of

693
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 1: think that this is I agree with you Mac that,

694
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: like it is disingenuous of people to say to use

695
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Speaker 1: the civil liberties argument to distract from the fact that

696
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Speaker 1: for the first time in US history. Um, except for

697
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Speaker 1: a brief spurt in the nineties. Uh, the FBI and

698
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: the CIA or whoever are actually looking hardcore at white

699
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: militia movements and acting in a public way. But they

700
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Speaker 1: do they do track these people. The issue right now

701
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Speaker 1: isn't that they It's not that they don't track these people,

702
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: it's that these people are now there's now a wide

703
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: enough base of um mentally disconnected, community disconnected white people

704
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: that are willing to go while out in public as

705
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: opposed to concentrated cells of individuals. With the point that

706
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: you're making rise like and the point that you were

707
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: making that the surveillance state is like already complete, You're right.

708
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they need to do more. They just

709
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: need to reorder focus, you know what I'm saying In

710
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Speaker 1: all fairness, I just I possibly don't know, but I

711
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: haven't heard anything about like Patriot Act two point oh

712
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 1: or like an increased budget for this or increased budget

713
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: for that. I haven't heard of that. I just huh No,

714
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about now, like in like in the within

715
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Speaker 1: the last weekend show. I'm just I'm just saying, like

716
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: what I've been hearing has been about a reshifting of

717
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Speaker 1: focus as far as like where the national security state

718
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: is looking, because you know, it's a known thing. In

719
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, there was a study that was done

720
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Speaker 1: that was warning, you know, in the post Obama being elected,

721
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: it was a you know, national security intelligence briefing that

722
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Speaker 1: was warning of, Yo, right wing white extremism is going

723
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 1: to be the what we're going to be talking about

724
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: it like in the for the next coming decades. Let's

725
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: let's get on it. Let's make it a thing. Let's

726
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: like put all of our efforts towards that. And Mitch

727
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: McConnell made a huge thing about it and was like, Yo,

728
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: if you bring this, if you bring any legislation up

729
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: out of this, we're gonna like scream bloody murder. The

730
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: same thing that they did with the Russia intelligence thing,

731
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: where it's like, if you bring this up, we're gonna

732
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: scream bloody murder and say that, oh, they got the

733
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: black president and they're persecuting right wingers. This is about

734
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: this is against conservatism. You guys, aren't you know what

735
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean? This is this you guys are persecuting conservatives

736
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. In Obama bitched and backed out

737
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: and didn't do it, you know what I'm saying. And

738
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Speaker 1: ten years, fifteen years later, now we're eight years later,

739
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: we're in a place where uh, right wing domestic extremism

740
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Speaker 1: has killed more people than any Middle Middle Eastern Islamic extremism.

741
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Speaker 1: You know. So what I've heard has just been a

742
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: refocusing of, Hey, maybe we should utilize some of the

743
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: surveillance state to like, actually, look at you know, motherfucker's

744
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: that actually posed like a threat well and as it

745
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: and as you you know, look at what you were

746
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: talking about about, like ye, armed groups outside of the

747
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: US versus you know, white militias here and white nationalists,

748
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: and like, like what what we're what we're looking at

749
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: structurally is we're looking at a Republican party that has

750
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Speaker 1: a couple of different factions, but is mostly the Christians,

751
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: the people with no government infrastructure, and people who are

752
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 1: principally motivated by whiteness. Um. And then you have everybody

753
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: else who, to some degree or another, are either disgusted

754
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: with the entire process um or are in the Democratic

755
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: Party UM loosely, you know, like the majority of the

756
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: country actually doesn't identify with the party at all. Um.

757
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: And you know, I do agree with you that just

758
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: because as like the quote like if if we're looking

759
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: at like if we're gonna I'm gonna use a gross

760
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: term and be like if we as Democrats, but like

761
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: if we as Democrats allow ourselves to get bogged down

762
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: into quote like like in party fighting, then we're kind

763
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: of missing the point because regardless, we have to break

764
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: the back of whiteness, and we've gotta break its back

765
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: in our hardcore way. And then when everyone are like,

766
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm here, here we go, and I'm

767
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 1: about to say some ship that like Trumpers, would you

768
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: know absolutely say like, oh see if we told you,

769
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,879
Speaker 1: we told you that they believe in this, like yeah,

770
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: when they are dependent upon government for jobs, then they're

771
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: gonna be much less willing to go do funx shit.

772
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: And I don't like that. That's my people, that's my community,

773
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: that's my family. But at the end of the day,

774
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: when left to our own devices, we have proven to

775
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: be murderous to literally everyone else on the planet. So like,

776
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we either got a

777
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: contextualize this within within the entire arc of white society

778
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: and white quote unquote civilization, or we can you know,

779
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: buy into this ideological device which doesn't really exist because

780
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: the average person and the majority of white people. This

781
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: is why sometimes it's a lot easier to organize amongst

782
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: poor white folks, Like I can go to the average

783
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: poor white folks, like you go to a tea party,

784
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Speaker 1: like in I would go to like the verscythe County

785
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: Fair and forsythe county is one of the reddest counties

786
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: in the country. It's rapidly diversifying in its southern third

787
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: and therefore like doesn't look that way now, but like

788
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: this county didn't desegregate until so, like I go to

789
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: the prosythe County Fair, and you go to the Republican

790
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: tent and the Republicans can barely talk to you. I

791
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: mean like it's it's like not fuck you, like demon

792
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: rat all all the ship that they say libtards. You

793
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: go to the tea party tent and they'll go right

794
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: to the door of of like a decent materialist analysis

795
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: and saying like oh no, like these like like the

796
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: government is just like selling us out to corporations. Like

797
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: they'll say things like that, and it's like okay, okay,

798
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: so you do see something, you know, like like there

799
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: is something happening here, and like, like we can work

800
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: with that. The only problem is that's that ship the

801
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson like the pedals and manipulates like and that

802
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: fucking pisces me off that like some leftists fall for that,

803
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: not that you were obviously not, but it's just like

804
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: some people really don't take into consideration that when a

805
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: right winger says I hate corporations and when a leftist

806
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: says I hate corporations, those biggas are talking about two

807
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: completely different things, all right, Like the leftist is talking

808
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: about I hate corporations in the way that we traditionally

809
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: understand that somebody who's left leaning with hate corporations. The

810
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Speaker 1: right winger is saying, I hate corporations because they don't

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Speaker 1: funk with the Jews. That's pretty much what they mean.

812
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,879
Speaker 1: That's that's when when Tucker Carlson is talking about, oh,

813
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: we've got to stop corporate takeover that city bank commercials

814
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: now kind of ship. Yeah, not yet. So this was

815
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: a good talk, as you guys can all probably tell

816
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: us thing out there. This is definitely been on our

817
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 1: mind a bit for the past few days, So thank

818
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: you for letting us share that. UM, well, we're gonna

819
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: get into the music discussion, and Paul's gonna stick around

820
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: with us for the music discussion, so we'll be with

821
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: that right after the jump. Okay, so that we're not

822
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: completely mired in the emergency Doom and Gloom tried to

823
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Speaker 1: We're still gonna have a music discussion for this episode. UM.

824
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: I tried to find some songs of the past that

825
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 1: had the theme of like revolution or writing. Um. Again,

826
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Speaker 1: this is strictly just to lighten the mood and listen

827
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: to some music, but still keeping in touch with the

828
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: topic that we were talking on up. First, we have

829
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: this track by d J. Green Lantern featuring Dead Prez

830
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: both members Saigon is one of my favorites Immortal Technique

831
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: and just Blaze. Uh. It is called Impeach the Presidents

832
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: came out back in two thousand six. Um, like about

833
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: Bush and the Iraq Ore and ship like that, but

834
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: with Impeachment in the air, I figured it would be

835
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: something interesting to listen to. Let's check it out. You

836
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: also the reason because like that they say, you have

837
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to mind as I was

838
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: listening to this song, it's like the liberal reaction to

839
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: people calling out Obama was like, well, if all presidents

840
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 1: are you know, if Obama was a war criminal, then

841
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: so we're all presidents. It's like, well, I mean if

842
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: you look at if you look at their you know

843
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: what kind of track record historically, Yeah, I mean you

844
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of can't be the president. So one this is

845
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: like exactly my ship, which is like a good classic

846
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: brass section on the sample. But like, the two things

847
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: that stick out to me, like first and foremost one

848
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 1: is uh, you know, I know we've said this a

849
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,320
Speaker 1: million times, but the uh give them in a blowjob

850
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: so we can impeach him? Um, how far we've fallen

851
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: that Like that's what it used to take and now

852
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: you can, you know, just like foment armed rebellion against

853
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: the state and no one gives a fuck. Um, you know.

854
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think is like really

855
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: hysterical is that, you know, the narrative for the people

856
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: on the ground doesn't really ever change, you know, like

857
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about the same ship the entire time, and

858
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: you can pretty much play any track like this and

859
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: it's like the same themes, the same ship, and at

860
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: the end of the day, like George Bush is responsible

861
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: for a million dead people in a rock period, point blank.

862
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: And is that like better or worse than Trump? Like yeah, maybe,

863
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 1: but like either way you can make an argument. But yeah,

864
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: all presidents are war criminals. You know, I was thinking

865
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: about this, ship um just last night because you know,

866
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: I was thinking, damn if George Bush does have that,

867
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: like he does have that list of bodies because he

868
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 1: started the Iraq War. And you know, I know that

869
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: people make that argument a lot, especially like now that

870
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: because Trump has been such a train wreck like that,

871
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: like the Bush name has kind of been shadow rehabilitated

872
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I'm saying. And it's

873
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: like I get it. But the thing that I that

874
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 1: I try to look at, and this isn't in no

875
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: way I mean, ship, I don't think I need to

876
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: say this like this is in no way any sort

877
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: of like excusing of George W. Bush or anything like that.

878
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: But we did go to war for like twenty years,

879
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and that that having happened

880
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: created a level of war weariness in the populace that

881
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Trump actually could use. Yo, not going to war is

882
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: one of his things to run, you know what I'm saying?

883
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: But four years later, with what we know about Donald Trump,

884
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: if just the general American public, like like, don't get

885
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: me wrong, the war machine has kept going. The industrial

886
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: military clans. We all know about all that ship, but

887
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: like it's kind of like a bright side sort of

888
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: thing where it's like now, in order to do ship,

889
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: they have to do like fucking secret clandestine stuff and

890
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: they can't just like openly like galvanize the country to

891
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: want to go to like an open ground war with

892
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: people and ship. Whereas if we didn't have that weariness

893
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: already built up because of what George Bush did, can

894
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: you imagine what Donald Trump would have like done with

895
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: like the military and just like I mean we're talking

896
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 1: now about them trying to push going to war with

897
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: Iran on like the last days. Like if you think

898
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 1: if Donald Trump thought he couldn't get a political benefit

899
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: out of it, that we wouldn't have been going to

900
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: war with Iran like something. I think. The other funny

901
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: part is that, like, you know, when we think back

902
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: about the Bush years, and we all know that you know,

903
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: Dick Cheney is you know, he's the public master, and

904
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: it's because the line in there about you know, if

905
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: you can handle. If you can handle Dick and get

906
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: him out of the way, then you've got you know.

907
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: George Bush kind of neutered how long did liberals labor

908
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: under the delusion that Pince was gonna do something to

909
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: like rain in Trump's like darker impulses, Like even now

910
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: this week they're like, oh, Pence, he's gonna do the

911
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: He's moment, and it's like, y'all, Pince's only job is

912
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: for White Christianity to have their guy in there as

913
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: a check on Trump. Like that's it. And Trump did

914
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: his job by them, So who cares just to have

915
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: the the the veneer that he will have to have

916
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: the check on Trump, not that will actually do it,

917
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: but he's there so that the Liberals can point to

918
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: him and that White Christianity can point to him and

919
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: say like, oh, everything's gonna be okay. Uh as if

920
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 1: his mere presence accomplishes the fact when we're saying that

921
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: he hasn't done shut it's not going to your ship.

922
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: He's not going to And I guess even if he did,

923
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: half the cabinet has resigned, so like conveniently like oh

924
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: there's something I can do. Shit, it's one right now.

925
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: So what do you guys think about a song like

926
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: this coming out back in two thousand and six, And

927
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got we've got the spat of songs

928
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: that we've covered that came out over the summer, and

929
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: then we have, like, you know, the handful of Donald

930
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Trump songs that were made. Are you this makes you

931
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: like a bit more disappointed or surprised or whatever that

932
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: there's not more songs of protests and stuff because this

933
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: is just a mixtape song Like this is just something

934
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: that's on like a mixtape with a bunch of rappers,

935
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: And I guess I'm not even necessarily talking about songs

936
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: about protests, but just like about like this political situation.

937
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: It's political moment, I mean kind of because even if

938
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: we don't expect and because as I've discussed on previous podcast,

939
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't hate on rappers for waiting

940
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: into political waters where they don't have an informed opinion

941
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: to give, Like thank you for staying out of it

942
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: if you don't have anything to contribute to the conversation.

943
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: But like a mortal technique is like not inactive like

944
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: who else on this track dead Press, Like it's not

945
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: like they're like not like where are they now? Like

946
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: these are the kind of cats I would trust to

947
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: like bring forward like salient and like insightful political analysis

948
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: on the situation that also bops. Uh So it's like

949
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: perhaps there is a lack of leadership within the hip

950
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: hop community that sort of lead the way of like

951
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: this is what like you can make a protest on

952
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: that bobs and also is like incisive in its analysis

953
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: of what is going on? And ain't nobody really like

954
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: step up other than like, oh this was my first

955
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: protests and like a marching and like feels good, I'm

956
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: standing up standing up for what BRA? Like what do

957
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: you like? What's your policy prescriptions? BRA? Like what do

958
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: you want to see happen? Actually I agree, and I

959
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: agreed with you back then in in that episode too

960
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: that it's like it's best if you have nothing to say,

961
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: don't say anything, you know what I'm saying, or if

962
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: you have nothing to contribute to the conversation. But I

963
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: mean it's not necessarily like this song was like a

964
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: big song. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite,

965
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like this is like a

966
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: hidden gem. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like I

967
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: would doubt that it's a significant amount of people who

968
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: heard the song in comparison to other songs, but just

969
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: in an industry or art form where we're always talking

970
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: about the turnover and like how you know, the youth

971
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: movement is the main component of it, you know what

972
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I hear your point on Like these are

973
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: like the rappers that are they're not active, Like I

974
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: did a song with Stick from Dead Press, so like

975
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: he's definitely still making stuff, Saigon still doing, like everyone

976
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: Saigon just signed to Strange music. Everybody's still working and

977
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: it's still active. And these are like voices that have

978
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: been around, you know what I mean that we could

979
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,080
Speaker 1: could depend on to drop some real ship. But the

980
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: songs from two thousand and six, you know what I'm saying.

981
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: So it's just like I'm just I'm kind of surprised that,

982
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's not more of a in in in

983
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: these times, because because it's a sign of what people

984
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: are are just interested in, you know, So even if

985
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: if a motherfucker might not have anything super constructive to

986
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: add to the discussion, it just lets It's just to me,

987
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: it's another one of those things that lets you know

988
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: where artist's head is at and lets you know that

989
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: you're living in the same world. You know what I'm

990
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: saying here, we are. We had this whole elaborate episode

991
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: that we wanted to do about some ship that we

992
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: were both genuinely into, like on the nerd culture, nerd

993
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: black culture and ship like that, and then we're like, yo,

994
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: that really doesn't fit how we're feeling because of the

995
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: world that we live in, and this is our outlet,

996
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: so it's going to reflect what we're thinking really limit

997
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: to make sense. So like we we're dealing with it

998
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: in the way that we can. I just expect, you know,

999
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: especially for some of these guys that you know are

1000
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: like studio rats are always cranking out music. I'm just

1001
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: surprised that it's like not every other day. I'm not

1002
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: saying on this blog here, that blog here, Yo, here's

1003
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: a new anti Trump for anti well, I don't know,

1004
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: pro democracy at this point. I mean, he even gotta

1005
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: be for Joe Biden, y'all know, I'm not, but like,

1006
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: for love of God, like, let our institutions do what

1007
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: they're supposed to do, I guess. And it's also I

1008
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: think I think there's like two other salient points. One

1009
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: is that I think it's easy to forget in everything

1010
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: that's happened in the last fifteen years, how like formative

1011
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: Katrina was like that more I think, honestly more than

1012
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: more than a rock like Katrina was a real mobilizing,

1013
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: you know event in our in our failures there, I mean,

1014
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: when we lost ten thousand kids of the public school

1015
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: system just disappeared. And the second is that, you know,

1016
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: now the narrative is kind of changed from like the

1017
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: heads of hip hop like now it's you know, the message,

1018
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: if you can characterize any like over the top message,

1019
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: it's black capitalism. And like when you go to black capitalism,

1020
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: you go to an individualism place, um, and that's not

1021
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: necessarily as conducive to social movements, you know, as a

1022
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: community upliftment. Up next, we got a track by I

1023
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: got a track by ice Cube off of one of

1024
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: my favorite albums when I was a kid, Predator. This

1025
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: is a song addressing the l A riots called Tear

1026
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: this Motherfucker Up. The song is really dope. Let's check

1027
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: this out. Thanks to get some respect, we had to

1028
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 1: ted as motherfucker and I heard the song a number

1029
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: of times but hadn't really like pegged. Some of the

1030
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: references were explicitly uh tied to the two l A riots,

1031
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: like talking about like beating up on the cops that

1032
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: beat up on Rodney King, talking about how your national

1033
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: guarden a and ship you gotta send in the swat.

1034
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: I just never caught a lot of those references before.

1035
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: I just thought he was just on some regular you know,

1036
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: ice cube shin. I think I think that's like a

1037
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: point of what makes songs like that great in a

1038
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: way is because if you just put it on and

1039
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: you just listen to it, like just not necessarily analytically

1040
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: like that, it's just like a dope rap song, you know.

1041
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: I mean you could just if you're not even really

1042
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: catching that he's dropping the names of the officers and ship.

1043
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's just like rapper tough guy talk.

1044
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: I'll beat this dude up, I'll go to this dude's house,

1045
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: I'll bring the beef to your doorstet, you know what

1046
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean. But it's like, then if you listen to

1047
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, wait, he's talking about all the

1048
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: cops that beat Rodney Kigg, Okay, you know, then it

1049
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: just adds more context to it if you want to

1050
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: listen to it that way, if you're sucking drunk or

1051
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: high and it's just the dope beat and Ice Cep

1052
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: saying some slick ship that's robing dope. Yeah, I'm saying

1053
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 1: you can take it that way too. And I think

1054
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where it doesn't come off

1055
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: sounding like a fucking p s A or like message rap,

1056
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: you know, And that is I think, like as I

1057
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 1: think I bring up oftentimes on the show, like the

1058
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: underlying political power of hip hop, of creating these like

1059
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: subtle entryways into historical moments or just this cussion of

1060
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: like policy prescription, like through a song that you just

1061
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: put on in the background and jam two when you're

1062
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: driving to work every morning until the day it hits

1063
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: you that he's talking about how the National guardenship and

1064
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: that you're like waity, oh, wait a second, wait a second.

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01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like a weird comparison,

1066
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: but it kind of reminds me like it kind of

1067
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: makes cube like like a black Charles Bronson from Death Wish,

1068
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 1: Like it's it's righteous, but it's also it's also a vengeance, um,

1069
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, like like it's it's definitely Uh, I don't

1070
01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 1: know what. What sticks out to me now, like I

1071
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: guess looking back in is how much more explicit and

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: radical this is than the vast majority of ship that

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01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: comes out today. Um, like even people that are even

1074
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: people that you know are mask grade and like that.

1075
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 1: And it's like, man, like the guy didn't have to

1076
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: talk about like literally anything except for this one situation

1077
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: he was in. He didn't have to like bring extra

1078
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: credit with him. He like, it just stands on its own.

1079
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: And if you contrast that with, um, what was the

1080
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: name of the Little Baby song that came out earlier

1081
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: in the summer, The Bigger Picture? Yeah, if you contrast

1082
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: that with the Bigger Picture, which was a good song

1083
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: that I did enjoy, you know what I'm saying. But

1084
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: like ice Cube was probably younger than the Baby was

1085
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: when he made this, the Little Baby was when he

1086
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: made this, And um, this is a way like if

1087
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: this had if if this had come out during the

1088
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: heat of the George Floyd protests, I think people would

1089
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: be saying, yeah, this is a really irresponsible song released

1090
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: right now, Like I think audience would feel that way

1091
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: about it. So that's it for the music discussions, just

1092
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: a little light. Trust me. We have so many songs

1093
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: that we're gonna be talking about next week on the

1094
01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: NERD episode, you know, assuming that that's what we're able

1095
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 1: to do. But um, you know, so we're going to

1096
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: have a long music discussion when that comes along. But um,

1097
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: is there anything else that you wanted to talk about? Marie?

1098
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: What do you think it's a likelihood of of them

1099
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: passing Jamal Bowman's uh who act? Which is it's a

1100
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: it's a um, Jamal Bowman. He's a newly elected congressman

1101
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: out of New York. Um, you know, new member of

1102
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: the squad. Supposedly, we'll see, you know, I have faith.

1103
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm just like you know. It's a little grain of song. Um.

1104
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: But his bill would commission an investigation into ties between

1105
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: UH police officers, UH and other government officials and the

1106
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: white supremacist that sees the Capitol one day, um, to

1107
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: sort of uncover the depth of that corruption and the

1108
01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: depths of the shall we say, uh, what's the word

1109
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: like entagle vincent? Now like the like the the relationship, Yeah,

1110
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: the degree to which there was coordination, the degree to

1111
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: which there was coordination between these entities, Um, so I

1112
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: don't know, So you hadn't heard of heard about that? Okay, Yeah,

1113
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: because I know Corey Bushes before the bill to expel

1114
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: Republican members of Congress, which is like very unlikely to

1115
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: succeed unfortunately, because I do think they need to go.

1116
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like democraspy weak man. They don't.

1117
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: I don't like, I don't start playing nasty and then

1118
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: that's completely unwilling to I mean, I if if if

1119
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: he's proposing that, I agree with that. I think that

1120
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: sort of thing and what Corey Bush was just trying

1121
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: to do too, I think I think that is like

1122
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: the most important thing right now to do is to

1123
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: like tackle that ship right now. I think the the

1124
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: thing that's really going to hurt us is if we

1125
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: treat the situation like the Republicans have a leg to

1126
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: stand on in it, you know what I'm saying. And

1127
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: if if if we treat them like it's like, oh man,

1128
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, we can't really go all out prosecute or

1129
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: persecuting them for what happened, because you know what about

1130
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: when you know, then it's just gonna swing the pendulum

1131
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: so far to that way that they'll start persecuting us

1132
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 1: when they have power, and and it's like they're going

1133
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: to anyway, you know what I'm saying, Like they're they're

1134
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: they're definitely gonna try to impeach Biden just to be

1135
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: obstruction as you know what I'm saying. For no reason.

1136
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: They're just like like they're talking about all this ship

1137
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: about cheating elections because they're definitely going to try to

1138
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: cheat whatever elections come up next, you know what I'm saying.

1139
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: So it's like, we just gotta be prepared for this,

1140
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: and I think that stuff like aggressive legislation, you know

1141
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: what I mean, to at least make it clear that

1142
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, the people who are cool with this ship,

1143
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: they can expose themselves because they either voted for these

1144
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, these efforts are they voted

1145
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: against it. So we know who's who. And that's an

1146
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,680
Speaker 1: important thing right now, is to know who's who, because

1147
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: this is like some deep seated spy versus spy ship

1148
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: going on it right now. That's like really kind of scary. Hopefully,

1149
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: I mean the next time that you guys hear us,

1150
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: my birthday is on Sunday, so I'll be a year

1151
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: older hopefully, you know. Hopefully, I don't want to be

1152
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: gloom and doom, but hopefully there's the ship's just talk

1153
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: and it's just internet ship, and then we'll be you know,

1154
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: and we'll be with you guys next week talking about

1155
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: damn you guys remember that last week when we were

1156
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: all scared and fucked up. You know what I'm saying.

1157
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 1: But just in case it's not, everybody be safe out there.

1158
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 1: We do as of now. Next week we're gonna be

1159
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: doing that Mega Ran or the nerd episode where we

1160
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 1: have the Mega Ran interview. It's gonna be real dope.

1161
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: Let's get into some rappid things. Joel, give me a

1162
01:08:57,160 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: beat year since my birthday is on Sunday. Spent this

1163
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 1: first day rail for my birthday, like four years ago,

1164
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: cool and chilling in my Beat Boys dance tip bucket,

1165
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: watching pet Boys dance some block supply pressure, letting need

1166
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: Moy's hands, even though I thought I never stood a

1167
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: decoy's chance. I don't know what it is. Brains I'll

1168
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: be going against. Used to younger fol show now control

1169
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: when I spit, and I always put the knowledge on

1170
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: the soul of my tembs because I don't want to

1171
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: see a jail. I have to show what my prints

1172
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 1: that ain't there, Entyson to be doing. Life in the

1173
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: big life can feel like a prize fight with Tyson

1174
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 1: the ring. I'm a little back, I realized that, but

1175
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to screams. Get the crumbs, eat the plate

1176
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: and every slice of the thing. It's got to be barriers.

1177
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 1: Let the steam carry you through the beef grief and

1178
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 1: survived the leech area. Scary rise in your moment to defeat,

1179
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: even when the hands you lemon's dug you know you

1180
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,280
Speaker 1: gotta eat. You to it enough to see if my

1181
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: dash is here. But it's a macahettic and Brandish magnis it.

1182
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: When he grabs me, he drags me to a van

1183
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: and put me in the back of it. I say,

1184
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: can I get to my ancestors. He's saying, Lynn, shut

1185
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 1: the funk up, bitchy screaming. It's bloodshed sweater, God, do

1186
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: you even think about running and get guns? And he's

1187
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: bad And I'll look with that sun dress. And speaking

1188
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: of which I'm gonna need you to undress. They found

1189
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: my corps firstly dead on my doorstep. I think to

1190
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: myself as an unzipped my orange dress. He wasn't the communist.

1191
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: He probably be gorgeous, he whispers. Is he put the

1192
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: pistol to my forehead? God, damn that was dark. Hey yo,

1193
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: my name's Dope Franca. We are waiting on reparations. Hurry up,

1194
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: see you nice week. Waiting on reparations as a production

1195
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on

1196
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

1197
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: get your podcasts.