Speaker 1: How old are your kids? And four and two and
Speaker 1: a half they survived. I was like, if I can
Speaker 1: get them to two and a half, I don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about them like suddenly getting like dying at night.
Speaker 1: Because about you guys. I'm always like checking, like check
Speaker 1: their breath everything. I gotta like poke my head in
Speaker 1: to make sure they're still there. And every time I
Speaker 1: hear like the door open, I'm like, did the kids
Speaker 1: just run outside? And now it's like a weapon style.
Speaker 2: We're doing the movie That's Coming where all the children
Speaker 2: just like sprint outside.
Speaker 3: It's the way they run that freaking ship out of
Speaker 3: me because they're not just running. Their arms are out
Speaker 3: like they're trying to get fucking swept away by the
Speaker 3: wind or some shit. And I'm gonna watch it. I
Speaker 3: don't give a fuck. Yeah, it's freaky. It's so free.
Speaker 3: I think I have to watch it just because the
Speaker 3: trailer fucked me up so bad.
Speaker 1: You should bring your kids to see it too. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I'm like, see, dude, that was freak mommy out.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna get a special effects knife and start
Speaker 1: acting like I'm stabbing myself in the face like the
Speaker 1: one leading in the trailer.
Speaker 4: That part is also so fucked up.
Speaker 1: That happens in the stabs a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: Like that, just like casual.
Speaker 1: What better way to teach your kids not to play
Speaker 1: with knives?
Speaker 3: Yes, blade, safety blade, just like, oh no, Dad, you
Speaker 3: could just say, don't do that, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1: You don't have to take me to a two hour
Speaker 1: horror film where children are doing who knows what. Every scene,
Speaker 1: I like, lean in and I say, see, this is
Speaker 1: what happens when you don't listen to your parents exactly.
Speaker 2: I showed them hereditary for safety about when you know,
Speaker 2: being sticking your hand out the door. I'll just in
Speaker 2: the car.
Speaker 4: Just super narrow lessons like yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5: Why my dad took me to see a Jurassic Park
Speaker 5: when I was too He told me not to fuck
Speaker 5: with dinosaurs, and I never did.
Speaker 1: Wow, see see what happened?
Speaker 2: Dinosaur?
Speaker 1: Dinosaur is important.
Speaker 3: It's underrated that I was never about to be fucking
Speaker 3: with them dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: Well now, oh yeah, you have to watch it in
Speaker 1: the arch of the doorway at the theater because I
Speaker 1: was screaming my face off, how old are you? How
Speaker 1: old are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was two years son.
Speaker 4: Yeah again that starts off with a banger scene.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, they trying to bring that rafter it in the
Speaker 1: first three minutes. I was gone. I'd be talking to
Speaker 1: your therapist years later and they're like, why don't you
Speaker 1: want to go to the museum with your friends? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do I don't.
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, ninety five,
Speaker 2: episode two of Dirt.
Speaker 1: Alley's In Case. It's a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: It's a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 2: American share consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it's Tuesday, Tuesday, July first, twenty twenty five. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what was that?
Speaker 3: Okay, Ginger Snap Day National Creative ice Cream Flavors. That's
Speaker 3: come on, that's creative ice cream flavors?
Speaker 1: Like what SoC and shade uncreative ice creams over here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like what they're just sure mint? They're
Speaker 3: showing a picture of mint chocolate chip.
Speaker 2: Whoa, all right, Mozart, why don't we slow it down
Speaker 2: mid chocolate chip?
Speaker 1: Whoa? Whoa whoa? We're not ready for the queer nick
Speaker 1: of easily already? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is this a commentary on the Spanish Civil War, this
Speaker 3: chocolate chip ice cream. It's also National US Posted Stamp
Speaker 3: Day and National Postal Workers Day.
Speaker 4: We love, we love the postal workers.
Speaker 3: We love the postal service, one of the few parts
Speaker 3: of the federal government that fucking operates properly.
Speaker 1: God cares, and don't nobody else care to quote TUPAC people,
Speaker 1: lock up your dogs, man, we're tired of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're tired of them hurting people in our postal workers
Speaker 1: and lock up your federal government funding the fucking post office.
Speaker 1: Yeah well, oh boy, yeah.
Speaker 2: My name is Jack O'Brien aka rolling out the sky
Speaker 2: to the tarmac when you just fin.
Speaker 6: A puke bag lack with your vomb and my pocket
Speaker 6: and my pocket full of Volume one courtesy of Rezic
Speaker 6: on the Discord, in reference to the time that I
Speaker 6: flew fourteen hours with my seven year old thought we
Speaker 6: were good and then he got airsick on the land,
Speaker 6: like he got landsick.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like on the tarmac and no bag, no
Speaker 2: airsickness bag.
Speaker 3: Then I know about this, right, the lack of bags now,
Speaker 3: because they say it's it's.
Speaker 1: Actually more stable now so people aren't as sick.
Speaker 3: But it's like people still get motion sickness on airplanes,
Speaker 3: regardless that sucks.
Speaker 2: It was like, I think the springiness of the shocks
Speaker 2: was just like fucking with his inner little bit. And
Speaker 2: it was also probably like right as the what's it
Speaker 2: called drama me wore off, But I had to walk
Speaker 2: up to the flight attendant with just my hands hands
Speaker 2: being like.
Speaker 1: Help me my supper please.
Speaker 2: Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my
Speaker 2: co host mister Miles Gray.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's back on.
Speaker 3: The streets of the San Fernando Valley off a plane
Speaker 3: from Des Moyo, Iowasca.
Speaker 4: It's your boy, Miles Gray.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the zeitgang in Iowa, Des Moines shot
Speaker 3: on alex at Raygun. Shout out everybody who came through
Speaker 3: with the tips. Beautiful, beautiful town. Beautiful town. You got there,
Speaker 3: beautiful town.
Speaker 2: I was on a I was on a call video
Speaker 2: call with you, and I took that flowing river in
Speaker 2: the background.
Speaker 4: They got real rivers.
Speaker 2: They just got water, like they don't even have to
Speaker 2: try to have water. They just have like green plants
Speaker 2: that are green just by accident.
Speaker 1: Because we live in a city that wasn't meant to
Speaker 1: be inhabited.
Speaker 7: Truly, like like so relaxing about being in a place
Speaker 7: that is meant meant to be lived where vegetation grows
Speaker 7: naturally without having to steal water from elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to like stop and just like
Speaker 2: here an entire city that sounds like it's on a
Speaker 2: life support system. Yeah exactly, now the various places and
Speaker 2: like an air conditioners, just a fucking be hive worth
Speaker 2: of air conditioners buzzing neighborhood.
Speaker 1: It is humid as ship through in Iowa.
Speaker 4: I thought I was in Japan or some ship.
Speaker 1: It's the humidity is not a joke though, But anyway,
Speaker 1: thanks for having me Iowa.
Speaker 4: I had all. I had all the local food. I
Speaker 4: have breakfast pizza.
Speaker 1: I had crab Rand Goom pizza.
Speaker 3: I had I ate case's, the gas station and everything
Speaker 3: I had to do.
Speaker 2: A Crabrand Gooom pizza does get it. Like the thing
Speaker 2: that I feel like the Midwest is the best is
Speaker 2: just like finding creative implementations of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, unless you're Asian and you eat it and
Speaker 1: then you go, the fuck is this? Which is what
Speaker 1: my experience was.
Speaker 3: You gotta have the crab Rand Gooon pizza from Fong's pizza.
Speaker 3: I said, Fong, Oh, is this like some some Chinese people,
Speaker 3: some immigrants over this. Nope, Nope, just people with a vibe.
Speaker 3: They just went for a vibe here. They had very orientalist.
Speaker 1: You saw a movie with the name Fong get at once,
Speaker 1: one of those cats that's like waving.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it was like, I'm like, that's Japanese.
Speaker 3: Interesting but anyway, otherwise, so fucking yeah, wonderful, wonderful, great time.
Speaker 2: Well, Miles, we're thrilled to be joined by one of
Speaker 2: our favorite guests and award winning writer favorite guess.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, baby, just wait till the other guests here
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't give you my iPhone to give you
Speaker 1: to your cousin for nothing, Yo, I still owe you
Speaker 1: that photo. I didn't look.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to bring it up. But when
Speaker 3: you said, yo, I'm looking for iPhone for my cousin,
Speaker 3: I said, I got you. Yeah, you owe me that
Speaker 3: photo from your cousin.
Speaker 1: You came through. So my cousin Malwood has it right now.
Speaker 1: And last I checked, he was in the Red Sea
Speaker 1: with his son Melick. All right, so let me see
Speaker 1: have him send you one. Yeah, it was a little
Speaker 1: bit concerning because he was sending me pictures from underwater,
Speaker 1: and I was like wonderings, like, is he some merging
Speaker 1: this phone in the red waterproof? That's just waterproof. He's good,
Speaker 1: He's good. That's cool. Crazy, what is the phone?
Speaker 3: Just like an old iPhone pro that you know, like
Speaker 3: they were waterproof for a minute.
Speaker 1: You could take underwater photos on an iPhone. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so hard to get an iPhone in the reds like Egypt,
Speaker 1: and you go there and every single person has an
Speaker 1: iPhone and you're like, how the fuck are they getting this?
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just people like Miles b Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're applying the whole country with iPhones.
Speaker 2: Just specifically it is Miles applying Cairo.
Speaker 3: I go to restaurants, I take people's I I just
Speaker 3: snatched people's iPhones off their tables when they're eating, and
Speaker 3: I send them to Egypt.
Speaker 2: Hey man, stop, I need to introduce you. Stopping Bob
Speaker 2: the president of the Arab and Middle Eastern Journalists Association.
Speaker 4: You might have seen his work in places.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, CNN, The New York Times, m PR, GQ,
Speaker 2: Columbia Journalism Review.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Showman. Is my It's funny. I
Speaker 1: just updated my profile my bio to include the fact
Speaker 1: that I was arrested by the NYPD. Just as impressive
Speaker 1: as being sixteen before it was fashionable. Yeah, before it
Speaker 1: was cool and it's still cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I talked to yesterday's episode about the Heinz Mustard. I wonder, like,
Speaker 2: are they doing that with Kendrick?
Speaker 1: I mean, they have to be right.
Speaker 4: You just I don't know you reported on it?
Speaker 1: Did they say I did report on it?
Speaker 3: I mean, are you writing an article loud about it
Speaker 3: on a microphone?
Speaker 1: Borders are getting lazier and lazier.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, this is I did not look up anything
Speaker 2: other than that they did it.
Speaker 1: And you got to call Kendrick and ask for coming. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, yeah, they did it with Mustard.
Speaker 3: They're not They're not going to go full full whack
Speaker 3: a do to jack in the culture like that, although
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it past them, and.
Speaker 1: I'm famously known for respecting the culture. Yeah, so much
Speaker 1: cool ship. Bro Let me let me show you this.
Speaker 1: This is my book. Yeah, it's finally here. I have
Speaker 1: a real copy. Congrats. That must feel good. It's a
Speaker 1: beautiful book. This is the happiest day of my life.
Speaker 2: Wonderful addition to the book shelf. You know, like a
Speaker 2: beautiful blue that just like pops.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a school photo from like the
Speaker 1: first grade, and I would cover too much. Dude, you
Speaker 1: got too much sauce in that school photo. I'm so
Speaker 1: saucy in the school photos. At Angle said, yeah, I
Speaker 1: might look at you. I'm looking at the cameraman like
Speaker 1: he just called me a slur. Oh yeah, it his
Speaker 1: side for sure, Like I said, yeah, But I remember
Speaker 1: what was in my head at that time. I remember thinking, like, damn,
Speaker 1: anybody who's smiling in this picture is whack as hell.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna smile. Wow, I'm not. I'm not like that.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like real dude. Yeah, yeah, that's what I
Speaker 1: was feeling. And it's funny because this was when I
Speaker 1: saw this picture. I was like, yeah, that's the cover
Speaker 1: of the book right right.
Speaker 3: And it's an autobiographical it's a memoir, which is insane
Speaker 3: to say because it makes me feel like I'm old
Speaker 3: and I've got like a big beard and.
Speaker 1: I smoke a pipe. But no, man, it's it's specifically
Speaker 1: it was called Becoming bubba, And it's specifically about that
Speaker 1: time period and every man's life. Ope, I mean not
Speaker 1: every man's, but it's about specifically about that time period
Speaker 1: when you have your first kid and your life flips
Speaker 1: upside down and you become a bubba. Bubba's just Arabic
Speaker 1: for dad or daddy. Yeah and yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: guys are both parents. You guys are both fathers, and
Speaker 1: so I think you guys can both relate to like
Speaker 1: that moment when you feel like you're prepared. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't really know what to expect, but you did
Speaker 1: your research. You're there for your wife. You saw her
Speaker 1: get bigger and big and bigger than the day comes
Speaker 1: and you just can't wait. And then the baby comes
Speaker 1: and you're old in them and you're just like, this
Speaker 1: is this is real. I'm a dad now. Then like
Speaker 1: for the next year, you don't sleep at all, and
Speaker 1: then your social falls apart, and then you think of
Speaker 1: yourself different, and your priorities change, and your diet changes
Speaker 1: and everything just changes. So this book is chronicling what
Speaker 1: that's like, you know. And another thing I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like dig into is the fact that this is like
Speaker 1: the first generation of like parents like us who care
Speaker 1: about our kids in like a very emotional way, or
Speaker 1: we want to be part of the day to day
Speaker 1: We want to raise them, we want to teach them,
Speaker 1: we want to show them the world as we see it.
Speaker 1: That's kind of new because I have yet to find
Speaker 1: somebody whose dad felt the same way. Sorry. It sort
Speaker 1: of feels like this is the first generation of this
Speaker 1: kind of dad, and so I wanted to chronicle it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to write it out. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: really special because it's from the Muslim perspective, and I
Speaker 1: have never seen a piece of media that the center
Speaker 1: is the Muslim father as they become a father. They're
Speaker 1: particularly ones when they're born and raised outside of a
Speaker 1: country and they're born in dispora, right, Because there's like
Speaker 1: this really big fear that the more I talk to people,
Speaker 1: the more I realize that they share, which is that
Speaker 1: they will be the reason why their kids have no
Speaker 1: connection to their mother land. Right. And it's like my
Speaker 1: Arabic already is kind of like, Okay, it's not great,
Speaker 1: but I know maybe like ten percent of the Arabic
Speaker 1: that my parents know, right, And I'm so worried that
Speaker 1: my kid will have like ten percent of the Arabic
Speaker 1: that I know. Yeah, I'm going through that right now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's like your imagine like your kid going someplace
Speaker 1: and being like, I'll have the peak old de Gallo,
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of that's sort of where yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So this book chronicles it, and it digs deep and
Speaker 1: it tries to figure out where those feelings come from,
Speaker 1: the weird ways that they surface, like trying to pick
Speaker 1: the right name for your kid. Right. Also, like when
Speaker 1: you're on the phone with your mom and then she
Speaker 1: gets mad at you because you're doing something that she
Speaker 1: expects your wife to do and dead It's like all
Speaker 1: of these weird things come up. And but more than anything,
Speaker 1: it's an entertaining book. It's one of those books you
Speaker 1: can just read on the subway, you can. You know,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend reading it while you're driving, but there's
Speaker 1: audiobooks for that.
Speaker 3: It's so funny because like, yeah, some of my family
Speaker 3: in Japan, like they saw me with my kid and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, oh god, I'm They're like, oh, you're like a
Speaker 1: mommy the way I was in you interact. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like the fuck are you talking about this is
Speaker 1: my little baby.
Speaker 4: I love the funk out of him.
Speaker 1: Why are you holding him? Where?
Speaker 2: Smoke a cigarette? Go smoke a cigarette outside with drink
Speaker 2: a beer. Yeah, be emotionally distant. All right, Well it's
Speaker 2: out now. People can go find it wherever books are sold.
Speaker 1: It's about to be out. It's gonna be out next week,
Speaker 1: July eighth. July eighth, everybody mark the calendar. And you're
Speaker 1: doing some appearances with the book too. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: first one July eighth. I would love for people to come,
Speaker 1: but it's already a little sold out. Humble humble brag,
Speaker 1: but sorry, yeah yeah, yeah yeah. If you do want
Speaker 1: to come in, you gotta stand outside and just yell
Speaker 1: must yeah yeah yeah. Or if you come up and
Speaker 1: say Miles sent me exact yeah, yeah, that's all good.
Speaker 3: You can definitely or come with an iPhone to trade it.
Speaker 1: I Phony Egypt, I'll give you a free book.
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on the book.
Speaker 1: Thanks, man. I'm really dumb excited. Bro. You should you
Speaker 1: should be, man, it's such a great achievement. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to self promote. But I'm trying to get over
Speaker 1: that that hang up, you know, for sure? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I get that you're doing great.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thanks, And do you have any non sold out appearances?
Speaker 1: I do, Uh, the day after I'm gonna literally the
Speaker 1: next morning, jump on a plane going to Boston, where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing another event there Bookline, Bookshop, and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing another one in Queens and then
Speaker 1: a homecoming in Newark, New Jersey, where I was born
Speaker 1: and raised and where I live now. But I'm also
Speaker 1: trying to you know, it feels like I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to schedule some stuff. I'm in talks with a bookstore
Speaker 1: in Toronto. I'm trying to do one in Lexington, Kentucky. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can live there, did you really? Yeah? For three years, gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I just got back a couple of days ago. They
Speaker 1: got books down there, but I got I got family
Speaker 1: out there, and there was like so many scenes in
Speaker 1: this book that happened in Kentucky. Yeah, And it feels
Speaker 1: like that's one place I want to like bring this
Speaker 1: kind of story to because you know, if you're in
Speaker 1: the East Coast or on the West coast, you know Muslims,
Speaker 1: you got Muslim friends for sure, places like Kentucky you
Speaker 1: might you know, bump into somebody at the shopping store.
Speaker 1: You're the first Muslim person they've ever met, right right,
Speaker 1: right right, And that's that's sort of where I want
Speaker 1: this book to live.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, Well everybody should go check it out, go
Speaker 2: pre order it, order it you.
Speaker 1: Somewhere that's not Amazon. And you guys are the best.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we're going to get to know you
Speaker 2: a little bit better in the moment. First, we're going
Speaker 2: to table listeners a couple of things that we're talking
Speaker 2: about today. We're going to check in with zorun derangement syndrome. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's all right, and uh m three again, two point
Speaker 2: zero did not do great at the box office, but
Speaker 2: if one did, at one got that Daily Zeit Guy's bounce,
Speaker 2: you know when you.
Speaker 4: When you advertise with us, that's a record.
Speaker 1: Nothing to do with Brad Pitt, nothing, I never heard
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 2: I mean, Brad Pitt powerful box office fourth Brad Pitt
Speaker 2: with the approval of the Daily Zeit guyst Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I think people are going to see that movie. And
Speaker 2: that we got a new Trump animatronic at the Hall
Speaker 2: of President's that looks both more like Trump and the worse. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so be interesting how you respond to that? All that
Speaker 2: plenty more, But first statement, we do like to ask
Speaker 2: our guest, what is something from your search history that's
Speaker 2: revealing about.
Speaker 1: Who you are? All right, let me open it up.
Speaker 1: I will just be as blunt as I could possibly be. Okay,
Speaker 1: Oh it's a bad one, slash good one. Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 1: Green nicob burka. I feel like this doesn't require any
Speaker 1: more explanation. Yeah, it's pretty self explanatory.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was writing some of the staff writer for Slate magazine.
Speaker 1: I just finished writing this piece about Zoron Mumdani and
Speaker 1: the aftermath of attacks that he's facing. And one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things afterwards was Marjorie Taylor Green MTG posting
Speaker 1: an image of the Statue of Liberty dressed in a burka.
Speaker 1: And I was like kind of suspect because I've only
Speaker 1: ever read about it at that point, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's not like, like who called it a burka? Did
Speaker 1: he call it a burka? I was sort of worried
Speaker 1: that it would just be like a hit jab and
Speaker 1: people would just jump on it and call it something else, right,
Speaker 1: or like a niccob. There's like so many different styles
Speaker 1: of hair covering in the Muslim world, and so I
Speaker 1: looked it up. I was like, let me just fact
Speaker 1: check them out. Never, I'm not confident that like somebody
Speaker 1: like Marjorie Taylor Green could be racist correctly. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to be sure, Yeah, just in case I needed
Speaker 1: to do like a quick fact check in my piece.
Speaker 1: But no, she was right. It was it was a broker.
Speaker 1: So go for you. And I'm sorry for doubting you.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't realize your game. The caption on
Speaker 1: it which you said this hits hard.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, You're like, what the fuck are you saying?
Speaker 1: You think about it though, when you think about it,
Speaker 1: sh h is hard? Dude.
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Yeah? This is this is why I love coming on
Speaker 1: the daily's Like, guys, man, you guys, I love that.
Speaker 1: I love answering this question because it changes every time.
Speaker 1: Right now, overrated, I'm gonna say, like being in your feelings,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, feelings, Being in your feelings.
Speaker 1: It's like I get it, Like, right now, we're in
Speaker 1: this moment where people want to be in touch, they
Speaker 1: want to like impress those bushwork girls, you know, which
Speaker 1: you totally should and I literally did just write a
Speaker 1: whole memoir about like my feelings about thing. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I think stoicism, unfortunately is getting pulled
Speaker 1: out of the space when people are trying to be
Speaker 1: more in touch with their feelings, because there are so
Speaker 1: many situations where you shouldn't and can't be emotional. For example,
Speaker 1: I mean, I work in journalism, and so I'm constantly
Speaker 1: trying to find the space to be like my authentic self,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you can't be. You sort
Speaker 1: of just need to be stoic, be control of your emotions,
Speaker 1: and try to look at things in a sober way.
Speaker 1: But I feel like that applies to everybody in so
Speaker 1: many different circumstances. And you know, I guess parents specifically.
Speaker 1: As parents, you have kids who rely on you. Man,
Speaker 1: they look up to you, and they want to be playful,
Speaker 1: and they you do need to hone your skills at
Speaker 1: locking in and zoning in on being the most present
Speaker 1: version of yourself. And you've got to be able to
Speaker 1: regulate your emotions, sure, right, So if your kid likes
Speaker 1: spills some milk, you can't just like get pissed off
Speaker 1: at them. You gotta like, you got to be in control,
Speaker 1: and you gotta here's some here's some paper towels. Man's time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have that moment where the road forks off
Speaker 3: and like, do I act out my childhood right now?
Speaker 4: And then you're like no, no, no no no no no
Speaker 4: no no.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, So, okay, So here's the thing. We
Speaker 1: don't throw spaghetti on the floor or at me and
Speaker 1: my nice white tea. Okay, So I understand you want
Speaker 1: to play, but that we have to eat our food.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's so many times where I realized too reflexively, I
Speaker 3: want to just be take ship personally from a toddler
Speaker 3: to like having to really cauterize. That sort of reflex
Speaker 3: has been again an exercise and being like present and
Speaker 3: really trying to be zen about it, like like.
Speaker 1: You know, the tiger does as the tiger does, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And we cannot expect anything less
Speaker 1: and it's really freaking hard to do. Man. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the first time your kid's gonna punch you in the
Speaker 1: face and it happens really really young. I got smacked
Speaker 1: up arty right before recorded. I got two peas by
Speaker 1: my son. Yeah. So yeah, man like feeling things and
Speaker 1: being in touch with their feelings important. Yes, do that,
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Being able to control yourself. So yeah, yep, man,
Speaker 1: you guys are better at parenting.
Speaker 2: I will be get like in my feelings, have my
Speaker 2: feelings hurt, but then I will immediately be like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that was supid, immediately let them know that
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Guys. Sorry.
Speaker 2: I love admitting that I'm wrong, and they love me
Speaker 2: admitting when I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: You're like modeling for them regulation of your emotions, and
Speaker 1: I think that's really valuable, right because yeah, they're going
Speaker 1: to see it, and they're going to feel it, and
Speaker 1: they're going to feel it with you, and then you're
Speaker 1: going to show them and they can hold it back. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: What's What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: I've been really wanting to scream about this for a
Speaker 1: long time. Journalism. Journalism is so underrated right now. It's
Speaker 1: driving men everywhere I look. There's so many people and
Speaker 1: influencers and it drives me nut to people just like
Speaker 1: shitting on the media. And I get it, like I
Speaker 1: get where it's coming from, because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: bad news out there and there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: doing a bad job at doing journalism. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if you can hold that thought with another
Speaker 1: thought that I want to share with you, which is,
Speaker 1: this is the only time in history where big outlets
Speaker 1: like The New York Times, like CNN, like BBC all
Speaker 1: have people from the communities working on stories about those communities.
Speaker 1: It's literally never happened before. Right when I got into journalism,
Speaker 1: like fifteen years ago, I still felt like the only
Speaker 1: Arab in journalism, and that's sort of the reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to get into that space in the first place.
Speaker 1: But now I'm like president of an Arab journalist association,
Speaker 1: and there's so many of us. There's we're literally everywhere.
Speaker 1: We're doing shitty out in all kinds of way. It's plains, plains,
Speaker 1: but like it's insane, And I love the fact that
Speaker 1: you can reliably when you want to learn more about
Speaker 1: the LA protests against ice from like a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, if you want to learn more about it,
Speaker 1: you could literally go on the La Times website and
Speaker 1: read an article written from an immigration reporter who's doing
Speaker 1: interviews in Spanish, who herself comes from a Spanish family
Speaker 1: and is on the ground talking to you know, like
Speaker 1: that kind of journalism is unheard of, yeah, like twenty
Speaker 1: thirty years ago. And I get the instinct to be like, nah,
Speaker 1: fuck the media, they're so racist. Oh they're platforming all
Speaker 1: these things. They're responsible for Trump. We would have Trump
Speaker 1: if not for Xyz. I get that, sure, But we
Speaker 1: are still in possibly the great the golden age of journalism,
Speaker 1: and people are missing it because all they want to
Speaker 1: do is talk about how bad the journal how bad
Speaker 1: journalism is right now, right right, Yeah, journalism isn't like
Speaker 1: the police, you know what I mean, Like there are
Speaker 1: good actors, be.
Speaker 3: A you know, I don't know about that, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think they really infuriating thing too, is usually television news
Speaker 3: because that has is like such a huge, huge effect
Speaker 3: on people's perceptions.
Speaker 1: And like in LA they ran back some old ass
Speaker 1: footage again, like on like NBC.
Speaker 3: Four that was pretty just like very disingenuous, like old
Speaker 3: burning car footage and trying to connect that to what's
Speaker 3: happening now, And you're like, this is this is absolutely reckless.
Speaker 3: But I totally get that. I mean, like it's because
Speaker 3: so much of the good stuff that we're able to
Speaker 3: even talk about comes from journalists like you and other
Speaker 3: people who are actually, you know, very dedicated to reporting
Speaker 3: on being objective and telling the truth rather than shying
Speaker 3: away from like will my objectivity be seen as biased
Speaker 3: or politicized?
Speaker 1: And in my community, in the Muslim in Air community,
Speaker 1: there was this big streak of people being really angry
Speaker 1: at the news media for saying, for quote unquote, manufacturing
Speaker 1: consent for the genocide of Palestine. I get that. At
Speaker 1: the same time, the only reason we know about what's
Speaker 1: happening as it's happening, is because of the journalists in Palestine, right,
Speaker 1: So when you're talking but like the media sucks, you
Speaker 1: gotta be specific, you know, because so much happening in
Speaker 1: that space. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm definitely guilty of just overall being
Speaker 2: like focusing on the negative when yeah, there are good.
Speaker 1: Reporters doing good work on the ground. For sure, I
Speaker 1: forgive you, and that's what you've been forgiven by by journalism.
Speaker 1: Hell ye, I was looking to get out of that.
Speaker 1: Thank God. Just do a couple of hell Anderson Cooper's
Speaker 1: and you're good. Yeah, No, he's not. He's like the
Speaker 1: merry figure in our community, all.
Speaker 2: Right, let's take a quick break and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back, and the world is still trying to
Speaker 2: grapple with Zorimumdani's victory in the New York Democratic primary.
Speaker 2: I mean, mainly the Democrats seem to be at a
Speaker 2: crisis point, having been forced to confront an incredibly promising
Speaker 2: path forward. What are they supposed to do?
Speaker 1: What am I supposed to do? Folks have a focused
Speaker 1: campaign on things like the economic issues that hit everyone
Speaker 1: and articulate a way to deliver on that as a politician.
Speaker 4: What the fuck is this guy trying to doom so
Speaker 4: far as of disrecording.
Speaker 3: The one high profile New York Democrat to see the
Speaker 3: bigger picture and get.
Speaker 4: Behind Zoren is Jerry Nadler.
Speaker 1: Jerry, I was.
Speaker 4: I was shocked.
Speaker 1: I did not. I didn't. I didn't think that was
Speaker 1: in Jerry Nadler's bag, but it is. He's Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, wait to read the room.
Speaker 4: Jerry Schumer Jeffrey's crickets mixed with.
Speaker 3: Handwringing over their very intentionally skewed view on his stance
Speaker 3: on civil rights AKA, they don't like that he is
Speaker 3: pro Palestinian Senator Kirsten gillibrand my goodness, so last week
Speaker 3: she fully lost it on the radio when a caller
Speaker 3: named Gabe phoned into like a New York talk radio
Speaker 3: station to spread a bunch of misinformation to paint Zorn
Speaker 3: as like an anti Semite. The call almost felt like
Speaker 3: it was scripted and that this person calls in says
Speaker 3: a bunch of lies to smear him, and like as
Speaker 3: like some kind of person held like trying to be
Speaker 3: like Zorn is going to destroy the Jewish community in
Speaker 3: New York and then the world. And then she just
Speaker 3: went on and yes, ended that shit, this is like
Speaker 3: a little bit of a portion of like his. This
Speaker 3: guy had a huge monologue he did before he actually
Speaker 3: the senator actually responded. He said, quote, how do we
Speaker 3: make sure that Jewish institutions are protected from his plans
Speaker 3: to punish and find our institutions which fundraised the medical
Speaker 3: nonprofits which do work both here in the United States
Speaker 3: and in Israel and other countries in the world.
Speaker 4: And also, how can we hold.
Speaker 3: Mister Momdannie accountable for his glorifying association of Hamas and
Speaker 3: other terror bombings of the Intefada in nineteen the nineteen
Speaker 3: nineties where over one thousand Jewish as railies were killed
Speaker 3: to his revisionist Holocaust knowledge, just went.
Speaker 8: On, just fired, rattled off a bunch of shit, to
Speaker 8: the point that even before Gillibrand could chime in, the
Speaker 8: host was like, now just to caveat this senator, that
Speaker 8: was a lot of that was a lot this man
Speaker 8: just said.
Speaker 3: And there it potentially could be inaccurate because we cannot
Speaker 3: fact check that in real time.
Speaker 4: And she was like, Okay, I don't care. She just
Speaker 4: went on to go. This is her response to that quote.
Speaker 3: The caller is exactly the New York constituents that I've
Speaker 3: spoken to.
Speaker 1: That are alarmed.
Speaker 4: They are alarmed by past public statements.
Speaker 3: They are alarmed by past positions, particularly references to global jihad.
Speaker 3: My sweets, I've heard that one before. Yeah, exactly. That's
Speaker 3: one of the most you know, worn out attacks on him.
Speaker 1: Right now.
Speaker 3: The hosts again forced to clarify live on air quote
Speaker 3: on mom, Donnie, I just feel compelled to say, we
Speaker 3: can find no evidence that he has supported Hamas or
Speaker 3: supported violent jihad.
Speaker 1: Good on you. So then he then asked entator Chili Bran,
Speaker 1: can you she rolling Stone reached out after that.
Speaker 4: And was like, uh yo, what's up. What's up with
Speaker 4: that answer on the radio?
Speaker 3: It feels like chock full of misinformation that you just
Speaker 3: it felt like an APAC word salad uh that she
Speaker 3: responded to to her office said that she misspoke and
Speaker 3: is looking to clarify things with Zorin Mamdani, which feels
Speaker 3: like politician talked for Look, this is what that APAC
Speaker 3: money does to your critical thinking skills, you know, reflexively
Speaker 3: reflexively being anti Palestinian.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of part of the gig.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is kind of what we were expecting,
Speaker 2: but it's it's even sloppy for like what I was
Speaker 2: expecting from the demo. Yeah, like a little like saying
Speaker 2: global jihad.
Speaker 3: Again, let's clarify, right, because this is one of the
Speaker 3: most distorted quotes out there that they used to attack
Speaker 3: Zorin Mamdani, the famous globalized the Intifada again, a ridiculous
Speaker 3: distortion on what he actually said and what he means.
Speaker 3: So this is from an interview, said, this is where
Speaker 3: it comes from this interview where he's asked, does that
Speaker 3: just make you uncomfortable? Like the phrase globalizing Intafada and
Speaker 3: like the phrase from the river to the sea. Does
Speaker 3: that make you uncomfortable or do you think And Mumdanni answers, Okay,
Speaker 3: those are different, those are super different. The interviewer says,
Speaker 3: they're not really Mum Donnie says, those are like different genres. Interviewer,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm asking so wrong. Then they're not really
Speaker 3: different to me, and to some people they are not different.
Speaker 1: This is where Zoran really clears it up.
Speaker 3: So please get this tatted on your forehead if you
Speaker 3: need it to be cleared up for you.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 3: I know people for whom those things mean very different things.
Speaker 3: And to me, ultimately, what I hear in so many
Speaker 3: is a desperate desire for equality and equal rights and
Speaker 3: standing up for Palestinian human rights. And I think what's
Speaker 3: difficult also is that the very word has been used
Speaker 3: by the Holocaust Museum when translating the Warsaw Ghetto uprising
Speaker 3: into Arabic, because it's a word that means struggle. And
Speaker 3: as a Muslim Man who grew up post nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: I'm all too familiar in the way in which Arabic
Speaker 3: words can be twisted, can be distorted, can be used
Speaker 3: to justify any kind of meaning. And I think that's
Speaker 3: where it leaves me with a sense that we need
Speaker 3: that what we need to do is focus on keeping
Speaker 3: Jewish New Yorkers safe, and the question of the permissibility
Speaker 3: of language is something that I haven't ventured.
Speaker 1: Boom boom bo.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm scared. I'm scared for my friends in New York.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, right, he said, damn, he's advocating for human rights.
Speaker 4: And again this is he handled it like a probe.
Speaker 3: So he went on meet the press, and Christian Welker
Speaker 3: also had to do sort of like the establishment democrat
Speaker 3: sort of grill session, like going line by line. The
Speaker 3: first one was like, so this is what Welker said.
Speaker 3: Trump called you a communist?
Speaker 1: Are you a communist? From Dani? I am not.
Speaker 3: And I already have to get used to the fact
Speaker 3: that the president is going to talk about how I look,
Speaker 3: how I sound, where I'm from, and who I am.
Speaker 3: I'm fighting for the very working people that he ran
Speaker 3: a campaign to empower that he has since betrayed. I
Speaker 3: call myself a democratic socialist in many ways inspired by
Speaker 3: the words of doctor King from decades ago, who said
Speaker 3: call it democracy or call it democratic socialism. There must
Speaker 3: be a better distribution of wealth for all of God's
Speaker 3: children in this country.
Speaker 1: He's already so communist.
Speaker 2: That sounds I'm gonna mar I'm just gonna mark that
Speaker 2: down as communist.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what that sounds like is communist.
Speaker 3: Then she asked if billionaires deserve the guillotine. Oh wait, no,
Speaker 3: that's my writing. She asked if billionaires should be, like,
Speaker 3: if they're okay, should they exist? Another fantastic answer, clearing
Speaker 3: it up because there's so much fear mongering of.
Speaker 4: Like what does that mean? This is his answer.
Speaker 2: You're gonna make them walk the ice like in the
Speaker 2: dark Knight Rises.
Speaker 1: Do you think that billionaires have a right to exist?
Speaker 9: I don't think that we should have billionaires because, frankly,
Speaker 9: it is so much money in a moment of such inequality.
Speaker 9: And ultimately, what we need more of is equality across
Speaker 9: our city and across our state and across our country.
Speaker 9: And I look forward to work with everyone, including billionaires,
Speaker 9: to make a city that is fairer for.
Speaker 2: All of them.
Speaker 1: Hmmmmmm. Can't argue with that.
Speaker 2: And when he said work with did he make a throat?
Speaker 1: No, not at all, all right. I was just shout
Speaker 1: at all. Sure, sure was.
Speaker 4: He wasn't crack and he's knuckling up when.
Speaker 2: He said that, I mean work with billionaires.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think anyone who saw that interview
Speaker 3: would really have a hard time convincing themselves that this
Speaker 3: guy was some kind of like rabid freak that wanted
Speaker 3: to destroy New York.
Speaker 1: Scary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just everything.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Obviously I have a different take because I agree with
Speaker 3: what he's saying, but he comes off as someone who
Speaker 3: cares very deeply about his city, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: but that, unfortunately is going to stop the people like
Speaker 3: Christian Welker and the people like Hakim Jeffreys who continues
Speaker 3: to be like he needs to actually clarify to globalize,
Speaker 3: even like where are.
Speaker 2: The statement that it's coming from? Is him clarifying? Yeah,
Speaker 2: explaining it? Like there's no reading of that quote in
Speaker 2: context that hasn't already been clarified for you.
Speaker 1: What's what's amazing about it is that this has all
Speaker 1: been litigated already for the past like twenty years. Like
Speaker 1: all of the time between now and nine to eleven
Speaker 1: has been spent going over the same talking points over
Speaker 1: and over and over again, Right, like this word you haead.
Speaker 1: I feel like at this point people understand what it means.
Speaker 1: They know that it's not specific to violence. And there's
Speaker 1: like this this concept in Islam of like the greater
Speaker 1: ghead being the the energy had. So when you're going
Speaker 1: to therapy, you want to know what you call that
Speaker 1: in Arabic, So it's a little bit of a gehead,
Speaker 1: you know, and this idea of like.
Speaker 2: We also don't like therapy, by the way, on the
Speaker 2: on the right, we were not fans of that. That's
Speaker 2: how Devil's work.
Speaker 1: I was definitely not going to therapy. I heard of
Speaker 1: that guy said it was Did that just ruin therapy
Speaker 1: for everybody?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Definitely not.
Speaker 3: For everybody on the right friendly line who already wasn't
Speaker 3: going to try and sort out their own emotional trauma.
Speaker 1: And why they acted out. Do you remember when like
Speaker 1: Obama was a candidate and they were like warning that
Speaker 1: he went to a madras up, which is just the
Speaker 1: Arabic word for my dress up. And remember when that happened,
Speaker 1: I was like, I go to a mad dress so
Speaker 1: this is just fucking normal. But it still took off
Speaker 1: like an entire news cycle. So it feels like, they
Speaker 1: don't really have anything on Zohoran other than the fact
Speaker 1: that he's a Muslim guy. But I think they're banking
Speaker 1: on that, and they're hoping that at some point he's
Speaker 1: going to slip up and they could take whatever news
Speaker 1: clip excerpt to back up their own their predetermined claims
Speaker 1: about him being the scary back guy who's going to
Speaker 1: like exterminate a population in New York City for some reason.
Speaker 1: And because it's worked, right, it's worked in the past,
Speaker 1: I mean not that long ago. I remember Inland Almud.
Speaker 1: I think we talked about it on the show, how
Speaker 1: Almud out of context was like saying something about like this,
Speaker 1: people say some people did something when describing about how
Speaker 1: the aftermath of nine to eleven touched the lives of
Speaker 1: every single Muslim and American beyond, and they that had
Speaker 1: so much, so much power behind it, and it had
Speaker 1: so many legs that it's still something that comes up
Speaker 1: to this day when people on the right thing about Almard,
Speaker 1: do they remember that comment and they go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she actually does. She downplayed nine to eleven, And so
Speaker 1: I think what they're trying to do here is they're
Speaker 1: just throwing shit at the wall. They're just trying to
Speaker 1: see where he's going to slip up. But the fact
Speaker 1: that he hasn't already, I think it tells us two things. One,
Speaker 1: he's been down this road before exactly he grew up
Speaker 1: in this grew just like yeah, yeah, these people have
Speaker 1: just been like introduced to the darkness. This guy was
Speaker 1: born born yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: And there he Aiman is comparing him to Babe, who
Speaker 2: is the person who made the stockbrokers walk on the
Speaker 2: frozen river that they talked about on the NBC of
Speaker 2: the day after victory. The messages are there read between
Speaker 2: the line he's.
Speaker 10: He's gonna be on the radio and he's gonna be like, well,
Speaker 10: I want you to have a free boss ride Jesus
Speaker 10: and they will be they will be on time.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: The other storyline I'm seeing that is also I feel
Speaker 2: like a little I don't know that there's a lot
Speaker 2: of reporting that has turned this into the wind is
Speaker 2: the win is about his talent and like it's it
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with his position. It's like he's
Speaker 2: a very talented politician and that that's what happened, and
Speaker 2: he won in spite of his left wing positions and
Speaker 2: in spite of his like that that's what how the
Speaker 2: economist wrote it up. And they were like but still
Speaker 2: like he's going to lead to the Democratic Party deeper
Speaker 2: into the wilderness with these positions, Like, yeah, it was
Speaker 2: a nice win for him, but you know who else
Speaker 2: was happy the next day. Republicans and their fucking chops
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 1: Dude, they got themselves a new op they can go after.
Speaker 1: I think in order to believe that, you have to
Speaker 1: completely ignore the fact that when he started his campaign,
Speaker 1: he started in districts in New York City that went
Speaker 1: for Trump. Yes, so these were Democratic strongholds. These were
Speaker 1: places where everybody voted Democrat. It wasn't even a question.
Speaker 1: But then the last election, something went terribly wrong and
Speaker 1: a lot of districts in New Jersey, in New York
Speaker 1: and Pennsylvania that were traditionally Democratic strongholds went for Trump,
Speaker 1: which should make everybody go crazy. Trying to find the solution,
Speaker 1: Zoran did something which is surprisingly peculiar in the political
Speaker 1: spaces which he showed up and he started talking to
Speaker 1: people on asking them and looking for the Trump supporters
Speaker 1: and asking them, Hey, what about this policy you care
Speaker 1: about affordability? Would you vote for somebody who believes in
Speaker 1: X Y Z and they were like, yeah, hey, you'll
Speaker 1: have my vote if you do this, and that's where
Speaker 1: his campaign starts. And I don't know, it's just it
Speaker 1: drives me nuts how the American politics in general, left
Speaker 1: and right, have it yet figured out that they're there
Speaker 1: to serve a populace, not the other way around. Pole, Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And we saw it in the last election with Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and Kamala Harris where it felt like the Democratic
Speaker 1: agenda was we need to get people on board with Biden,
Speaker 1: we need to get them on board with Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: where their entire elector at poll after Pole was showing
Speaker 1: that they were losing people because they weren't talking to
Speaker 1: them and they weren't incorporating them and inviting them into
Speaker 1: the big tent. And we saw how that played out.
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited for somebody like Zorn because he
Speaker 1: seems to get how to fix the democratic institution. And yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just I feel like they're going to come around.
Speaker 1: They're still kind of freaked out because he was able
Speaker 1: to do it without them, and he was able to
Speaker 1: see the institutionalized supported candidate in Cuomo, who even then
Speaker 1: they they call him a bully, like they didn't like him,
Speaker 1: but they backed him because he had the name. And
Speaker 1: so I feel like they they're going to come around.
Speaker 1: It's just it's gonna take some time. This probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the case if he was just like a white
Speaker 1: guy from Staten Island. But you know, he's he's a
Speaker 1: brown guy and he's Muslim, and he's not afraid of
Speaker 1: apologizing for it, and so I think it's going to
Speaker 1: take a little bit of time, but I think they'll
Speaker 1: come around.
Speaker 2: I did have that thought what would be happening right
Speaker 2: now if he was a white guy, they'd be just
Speaker 2: like finding something else about him or just like really
Speaker 2: going hard on his politics or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to like see how they treated
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, right, Yeah, they love talking about Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 1: they love supporting him, They like putting him in front
Speaker 1: of the camera. The thing that they don't like about
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders is him becoming president. But you know, or
Speaker 1: they'll they do the thing where like he's supported by
Speaker 1: a bunch of like terrorist sympathizers.
Speaker 4: Is probably what they do.
Speaker 1: Is like they you know, how they made like a
Speaker 1: pejorative Bernie bro kind of attacked like, and these are
Speaker 1: the fucking people that like this shit, I don't know,
Speaker 1: is this for you? That's their base? Like I think
Speaker 1: that's the part that they don't understand. It's like, this
Speaker 1: is where the Democratic voters are going. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: you need to keep up with that. You need to
Speaker 1: be able to understand who your supporters are, what exactly
Speaker 1: your party wants, and then create the platform, not the
Speaker 1: other way around.
Speaker 3: I think that's why this is so important that like
Speaker 3: it's the it's the generation of the Zoran type politicians
Speaker 3: that inherit this party if the party has any chance
Speaker 3: of surviving, because if they keep doing the thing of
Speaker 3: trying to just you know, bludge in a candidate like this,
Speaker 3: to try and curb their ability to achieve office because
Speaker 3: they're going against like the establishment, it's just we're gonna
Speaker 3: have the same thing over and over. But the one
Speaker 3: thing that's heartening is their attacks are so fucking tired
Speaker 3: that they're just like they come off as really like ineffective,
Speaker 3: like the things like well, you know he's Muslim.
Speaker 4: So uh uh They're like, yes, so what.
Speaker 1: His credit? Because I've interviewed him a couple of times.
Speaker 1: To his credit, he hasn't yet or I don't even
Speaker 1: think he will, because it doesn't even seem like it
Speaker 1: feels like it's maybe beneath him. But he hasn't even
Speaker 1: mentioned to the fact that like half of his staff
Speaker 1: is Jewish, right. He's like he's working with people who
Speaker 1: are Jewish, and you're out here saying that he wants
Speaker 1: to kill them, Like it doesn't make any sense. And
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting there wondering, like all he has to
Speaker 1: maybe do is like say, hey, I'm actually part of
Speaker 1: my staff, Like in order to reach out to me,
Speaker 1: you have to go through somebody who is Jewish, right
Speaker 1: to talk to me. And I'm almost like I kind
Speaker 1: of credit him for that because it's not relevant, right,
Speaker 1: It's just like I'm not doing it because I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, how like a you know, a Democrat, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, half of my staff are black people. One
Speaker 1: of my very good friends bad luck, right.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean when he's say you're like, well, okay,
Speaker 2: but again, I used to get lunch with a racist
Speaker 2: and then I would get lunch with a black man
Speaker 2: and he was he was in a duop a cappella barbership.
Speaker 1: No, man, this is this is different than like corn pop.
Speaker 1: This isn't much different.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying no.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying I think the reason is because what
Speaker 3: he stands on is so much bigger, Like it's it's
Speaker 3: almost impervious to that kind of attack because its like
Speaker 3: what his messages resonates so.
Speaker 1: Deeply across the board with people. And it's not because
Speaker 1: he's done this thing like a polished candidate biers like, okay,
Speaker 1: you need to have like people of color that are
Speaker 1: like visible understaffed. He's like, no, man, I'm here to
Speaker 1: deliver for people. And guess what the other people that
Speaker 1: are with me, they this is just this is the
Speaker 1: crew that I have and it's diverse, it's broad.
Speaker 3: It represents so much of the city. So you know what,
Speaker 3: Stephen Miller is Jewish? You know, like that's like that
Speaker 3: That's my issue with that whole like defense being like,
Speaker 3: how could we be support this administration? Yeah, be anti
Speaker 3: semitic when the architect of all the xenophobic raids is
Speaker 3: a Jewish man.
Speaker 1: It's just it just bothers the hell out of me
Speaker 1: that this is the line of attack. Yeah, no, just sure,
Speaker 1: it bothers the hell out of me. And it's a trope.
Speaker 1: It's an Islamic Islamophobic trope in and of itself, and
Speaker 1: I wish that we had grown out of it as
Speaker 1: a company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I think that's the one thing you really realize, right,
Speaker 3: is the US. The US is just addicted to Islamophobia,
Speaker 3: like it cannot even when it makes no sense at all,
Speaker 3: Like I puts decades past nine to eleven and the
Speaker 3: the like the fucking horror that is unfold in the
Speaker 3: Middle East because of US foreign policy. This still has
Speaker 3: this like reflex like, well, we need someone that everyone
Speaker 3: can have, like they won't think critically and be like, oh,
Speaker 3: this brown person is Muslim, so therefore I don't have
Speaker 3: to think anything of like I don't have to really
Speaker 3: interrogate this any further because the shorthand reflex is equals bad.
Speaker 1: But I think, again, that's starting to eroad. You know,
Speaker 1: It's just it's not it's this isn't like twenty ten.
Speaker 1: But I know for some people it does.
Speaker 3: Work like that, and people are susceptible to that kind
Speaker 3: of sort of rhetoric and propaganda. But there is something
Speaker 3: because he's he's speaking to something so much deeper.
Speaker 1: It's it's just irrelevant for so many people.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see how far we've come
Speaker 2: as he goes against famous nine to eleven authority mayor
Speaker 2: Eric Adams, who you know pointed out that the great
Speaker 2: thing about New York City one day you're opening a
Speaker 2: business the next day nine to eleven, you know, and
Speaker 2: so you never know what's gonna happen, and that's why
Speaker 2: we love this town.
Speaker 1: It almost feels like this is a calculated way to
Speaker 1: like try to drag him into the dirt, because yes,
Speaker 1: when you put it like that, it makes me feel
Speaker 1: like it's a trap, like they want him to like
Speaker 1: have to constantly defend his record as a Muslim person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I've seen a little bit of it.
Speaker 1: He's sort of like in this weird position where they're
Speaker 1: constantly asking him about like this global you had Global
Speaker 1: into father thing. But I from the clips that I've seen,
Speaker 1: at least, he's done a pretty decent job of saying no, no, no,
Speaker 1: here's what here's the policies that I care about. He'll
Speaker 1: just like pivot into actually his policy. So, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: an interview your position to be in man. It sucks.
Speaker 4: Of course it sucks.
Speaker 3: I think being a person of color who's not towing
Speaker 3: the line of a party and really trying to deliver
Speaker 3: for people, aka just rocking the fucking boat, they're fucking
Speaker 3: They're gonna come at you with everything you know every time,
Speaker 3: and that's just. But again, I think, like to your point,
Speaker 3: even as he you know, somebody who has grown up
Speaker 3: in post nine to eleven America, being a Muslim man
Speaker 3: in America, you have already you already know how to
Speaker 3: navigate the stupidity that exists in American society. He's trying
Speaker 3: to make you look a certain way, and you have
Speaker 3: already spent decades of your life having to prove your
Speaker 3: humanity to people who don't give a fuck about you.
Speaker 3: So I think he's That's why I think he's never
Speaker 3: looked shook when he has these interactions, because I think
Speaker 3: it's the.
Speaker 4: Same way like black people.
Speaker 3: When white people want to be like, well what about
Speaker 3: you know, what about the violence in your communities, people
Speaker 3: go nah. People who are used to hearing those attacks
Speaker 3: and go, okay, I know, I see how you look
Speaker 3: at the world, and that's not actually how it is. Okay,
Speaker 3: because what you're what we're not talking about is the
Speaker 3: larger picture about inequality and what that does to our communities.
Speaker 1: And that's what you're saying is a distraction.
Speaker 3: And he's he's seems very polished, you know, as like
Speaker 3: an organizer and politician at this point that it's would
Speaker 3: it would probably take something so inflammatory and offensive to
Speaker 3: try and get him to sort of wobble like that.
Speaker 3: But again, he seems very he's very adept, and he
Speaker 3: seems like he's built. He's built for this moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, truly born in the darkness of is long the archism.
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, y'all, just fucking play with it, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe maybe a bane man. I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I was born in the darkness. And honestly, my
Speaker 2: only issue with his uh, I think he's a little
Speaker 2: too nice to billionaires in that in that statement. I
Speaker 2: think he should be like, and you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: how did they ice skate.
Speaker 1: The camera ice skate?
Speaker 2: See how they do on the icy rivers of the
Speaker 2: East River.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Maybe Nancy Kerrigan for some
Speaker 1: lessons my boy.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if he really wants to be popular,
Speaker 2: all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: And big weekend at the box office for F one
Speaker 2: F one, big big hit. M threegan two point zero
Speaker 2: not so much as we and three game threegan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the three Gans weren't They weren't feeling how much
Speaker 3: How many moneies did M threegan make?
Speaker 2: M Threegan made ten million as a domestic the first
Speaker 2: one made thirty was like a big surprise hit. He
Speaker 2: made seventeen global, so that although to be fair, only
Speaker 2: cost twenty five million dollars to make. So I'm sure
Speaker 2: it's going to get a nice approving headline from Deadline
Speaker 2: like they did, like the opposite of what they did
Speaker 2: for Sinners, right. They were like, this might look like
Speaker 2: a hit to you because.
Speaker 1: It made more money than it costs to make by
Speaker 1: by orders of magnitude, does not mean this is a hit.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Ryan koog I don't know where Ryan
Speaker 3: Coogler gets as like the.
Speaker 4: Tone of those articles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, had an article about the biggest most exciting box
Speaker 2: office success of the year, the thesis, where does this
Speaker 2: guy get off. Yeah, a big news for the Hall
Speaker 2: of Presidents. That's a usually like that's where I rushed to.
Speaker 2: If I take my kids to Disney World, we're rushing
Speaker 2: right to the Hall of Presidents, to the Hall as.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly is it.
Speaker 4: One of the is it one of the first things?
Speaker 3: Like is it set up like how Disneyland is, Like
Speaker 3: when you go through the gates you're kind of in
Speaker 3: that like main street area, so then you can go
Speaker 3: to the Hall of President's right, or you have to
Speaker 3: seek that?
Speaker 1: Is it right there? I think you have to seek it.
Speaker 1: I've never been.
Speaker 2: I would never go in anyway could possibly And I
Speaker 2: think we walked past it and it was like fucking
Speaker 2: I don't know if maybe this was when it was
Speaker 2: closed for but it like tumbleweeds. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: they have tumbleweeds for the old West Town. They're like, no,
Speaker 2: that's an actually occurring.
Speaker 1: Those are real tumbleweeds.
Speaker 2: It was not a popular attraction, but that's just because
Speaker 2: they had the old Trump that looked like really legitimately
Speaker 2: looked like they had made the Hillary Clinton animatronic and
Speaker 2: then had to like last second be.
Speaker 1: Like fuck yo, somebody get a blow dryer, so we
Speaker 1: can mop the face a little bit and turn it
Speaker 1: into a Trump face and getweight.
Speaker 2: Stat just looked like a Hillary Clinton if she had
Speaker 2: like on a latex mask trying trying to pose as
Speaker 2: Donald Trump for like a you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's like Hillary Clinton doing Frank Havoc from I
Speaker 3: think you should to my ship.
Speaker 2: Exactly Clinton havoc energy. But yeah, now so they've replaced
Speaker 2: that with a more accurate Donald Trump. Just like more
Speaker 2: jolly essentially is what they did. Just gave me more droopy,
Speaker 2: more droopy or jals and the same exact outfit and kind.
Speaker 1: Of smell here, yeah.
Speaker 3: Vision yeah, yeah, yeah, fresh diapers, and.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's no way he doesn't smell like
Speaker 2: hot right, like just they say no, people say he stinks.
Speaker 2: They say, people say he smells like cooked hot dogs.
Speaker 4: You know, he smells like wet ones. He smells like
Speaker 4: boo boo.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, they say it was like this entire
Speaker 1: expos his producer on the Apprentice, and they went into
Speaker 1: depth with some of that stuff. I mean, I wasn't
Speaker 1: in the room. I can either conform nor deny. All
Speaker 1: I know is that some people are saying he has
Speaker 1: the hugest, biggest, most beautiful poops.
Speaker 2: And you are saying, many are saying, can't control his
Speaker 2: battle movements.
Speaker 3: And Adam Kinsinger also said it. In the run up
Speaker 3: to the election. I remember, like on Kimmel he was
Speaker 3: like this guy, he said he was pungent, pungent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, those are the big updates.
Speaker 1: Kind of makes you feel bad for him a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, I feel so bad for him. Actually, that's
Speaker 2: what It's kind of what keeps me up at night.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the whole point of this show is
Speaker 1: we want to just generate as much sympathy for Donald
Speaker 1: Trump as possible.
Speaker 2: The c I a seemingly left leaning thing that we
Speaker 2: just secretly seed people with sympathy for Donald Trump, and
Speaker 2: how difficult it must be. It's all the pictures of
Speaker 2: him have in the background, the bad guy from the
Speaker 2: painting and Ghostbusters too. You see, Yeah, looks looked like Vigo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like who what.
Speaker 2: President looked like? That clearly was before fucking cameras, this
Speaker 2: guy in as Hell.
Speaker 1: You gotta be if you want to be president back then,
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 2: You just have to be an evil warlock most like
Speaker 2: the Number one.
Speaker 1: That's why I don't buy that whole honest ape thing.
Speaker 1: That guy who's President of the United States, that guy
Speaker 1: was a thug.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's do your thing, Sherman, fu up Georgia
Speaker 1: for me. Boy.
Speaker 2: There's another show we're working on that we got some
Speaker 2: research in on like Abe Lincoln, and like one of
Speaker 2: the anecdotes was him just like ripping on the this
Speaker 2: guy who worked for him, like for being Irish, Like
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 1: Just like I know it, I know it American.
Speaker 2: You got to eat a piece of fruit that like
Speaker 2: wasn't edible. He was like, he's like, yeah, have you
Speaker 2: ever heard of like a fig?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean you should try it. This tree has like
Speaker 2: the best figs. It was like not a fig tree.
Speaker 2: And then the guy was like spitting it out and
Speaker 2: You're like, what like Lincoln's in the back just laughing as.
Speaker 1: Irish iribe Abe.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Amen, truly a pleasure having you on this podcast.
Speaker 2: As always, Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you?
Speaker 2: Uh, find out more about your book all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: You could follow me on Instagram at aman dot com
Speaker 1: spelled do t c O m A y m A
Speaker 1: and then do O T c O N. Also you
Speaker 1: can find me on AMAN dot com, A Y M
Speaker 1: A and N dot com literally to any of your
Speaker 1: favorite bookstores. And one of these guys up holding up
Speaker 1: the book Beautiful Blue. You got to find the Beautiful
Speaker 1: Blue big beautiful blue book. And while we're on the
Speaker 1: subject of like zoron and stuff, I feel like I
Speaker 1: should really want to understand the psyche of somebody who's
Speaker 1: gonna grow up post nine to eleven. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: become confident enough to be on meet the Press and
Speaker 1: run for mayor you should start on reading this book,
Speaker 1: which is about my life doing the same things, except
Speaker 1: not all of the things, but yeah, some same things
Speaker 1: go out everybody. Thanks. Man.
Speaker 2: Is there a work immedia that you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I've really been enjoying that show Adults on Effects. Oh see,
Speaker 1: I've not seen it. It's like really silly, funny. It
Speaker 1: almost feels like a sitcom. It's the kind of show
Speaker 1: you can watch with somebody and then like do references
Speaker 1: from afterwards. It feel good, it's cute. Yeah, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's the sort of thing that I want to do
Speaker 1: after a hard day's work of looking up MTG tweets
Speaker 1: on the internet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I've seen the billboards, I have not
Speaker 2: seen the show, and this is the first recommendation I got.
Speaker 2: So just ten more recommendations to go and I'll check
Speaker 2: an episode now one day. Actually yours counts for like five,
Speaker 2: so I need a few more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wonder if, like, I like it a
Speaker 1: little bit more because I can't do any of the
Speaker 1: things that they're doing, like going out and having a
Speaker 1: social life, right, you know, the things that you lose
Speaker 1: when you become a parent. So I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm living vicariously through them. But it's silly. It's fun.
Speaker 1: There's this scene where they're trying to like sell a
Speaker 1: gun but they can't. It's super good. It's a cute show.
Speaker 4: Miles.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you as their workI media you've
Speaker 2: been enjoying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 3: You probably missed the last episode ever of Miles and
Speaker 3: Jack got mad mosties.
Speaker 4: I won't be saying it anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to check it out. It's over, but
Speaker 1: you know what it is. What it is. We will
Speaker 1: come back in some other iteration. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like we're any We've gone anywhere. There's this show so.
Speaker 4: You guys just not here us talk about basketball as much.
Speaker 3: There also find me talking about ninety d fiance on
Speaker 3: four to twenty Day fiance.
Speaker 1: A couple of works of the social media.
Speaker 3: I like first one at Sunday Divine the Sky do
Speaker 3: Social says I love the energy of mom Donnie, but
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't try to socialize brunch.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, that's just don't cross that line. Don't
Speaker 1: cross that don't don't touch that third rail. And this
Speaker 1: is like an Onion headline from a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: that I don't think I talked about and I just loved.
Speaker 1: It's like a woman with like lovingly nestling, nestling like
Speaker 1: nuzzling with a predator drone and it says, grieving war
Speaker 1: widow finds comfort in the wings of drone that served
Speaker 1: with a husband. Correct fucking the Onion. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore, Brian
Speaker 2: Blue Sky Jacko b the Number one. Yeah, I like
Speaker 2: to tweet from Bonanza parentheses. Miffy tweeted, do you want
Speaker 2: to touch knees?
Speaker 1: Later?
Speaker 2: While we're sitting down and pretend to ignore the fact
Speaker 2: that we're touching knees that riding a train, that's riding
Speaker 2: a train, that's sitting at a cafe that doesn't have
Speaker 2: enough room for that. You're just trying to like cram
Speaker 2: in one too many seats.
Speaker 1: They don't know, they don't ever account for knees.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, and my, my wolbly ass weird knee etiquette.
Speaker 2: I got bad knee etiquette.
Speaker 1: Is that you just jab your legs for my knees
Speaker 1: of a mind other people's knees. Yeah, check me. What's up?
Speaker 1: Do you think you hard? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter and Blue Sky at
Speaker 2: daily Zekest, the Daily Zekeist on Instagram.
Speaker 1: You can go to the description of this episode wherever.
Speaker 2: You're listening to it, and you can find the footnotes,
Speaker 2: which is where we link off to the information that
Speaker 2: we talked about today's episode. We also link off to
Speaker 2: a song that we think you might enjoy, mild Is
Speaker 2: there a song that you think that people might enjoy? Yeah?
Speaker 11: Yeah, if you like Toro Ey Moah Chazz from that
Speaker 11: band also, you know, puts out some nice electronic dancing
Speaker 11: music too. And this is a track I want to
Speaker 11: go out because I was listening to this and I
Speaker 11: didn't realize who this artist less sins was and it's
Speaker 11: Chatz from Tori Moa so l E S s I
Speaker 11: N S.
Speaker 1: The track is called Grind and it's just again it's summer. Look.
Speaker 1: My dad sent me this.
Speaker 5: Quote from like a Guardian article about like like to live,
Speaker 5: as Young said, with two existing opposite thoughts at the
Speaker 5: same time, and survival right now depending on our ability
Speaker 5: to swim in this duality.
Speaker 1: So I use music to keep my.
Speaker 3: Joy up, to keep my joy activated, and so I
Speaker 3: like music like this.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives me a little you know, honey
Speaker 1: in my hips, makes my big toast shoot up in
Speaker 1: my boots. So this is grind by these scenes.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, all right, We will link off to that
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