1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of I Heart Radio, Zaren 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: Yo Elizabeth Dutton, what are you doing hanging out? Being cool? Nice? 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Looks good on you? Thank you? You know it's ridiculous. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Oh girl, do I did you know that Eddie van 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Halen new Fred Durst? No, I did not know that. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: I didn't know that either, but I learned this story recently. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: So Eddie van Halen actually had the really interesting rivalry 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: with Fred Durst that was momentary. So Eddie van Halen, 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: he gets invited over to fred durst place in Beverly 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: Hills or Limp Biscuit is like rehearsing for an album 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: at the time, and you know, Eddi van Halen's like, 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to go see what the young kids 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: are doing. So he brings the guitar over and some 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: like an amp I guess by maybe a preamp, I 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: don't know. He brings over like at least a guitar 16 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: and he starts like jamming with Limp Biscuit and Fred Durst. 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: So just imagine Eddie van Halen jamming with Limp Biscuit 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: at the height of their fame, right and like some 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: random mass mansion and Beverly Hills. Things are going well 20 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: and Eddie van Halen is having a great old time, 21 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: but until somebody pulls out some drugs and starts to 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: at high and Edi van Halen is very much sober. 23 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: So he gets mad and he's like, I can't believe 24 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: you do that in front of me, and he leaves. 25 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: But he gets in such a huff. He leaves and 26 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: he forgets his guitar. So he calls back the next 27 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: day and he's like, hey, fred I need to get 28 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: my guitar back. It's like one of my favorites. Fred 29 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Durst doesn't answer, just totally just leaves him on red right. 30 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: So Eddie van Halen's like, what's going on? Twenty four 31 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: hours pass, he doesn't here. He gets mad and he's like, 32 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: I am from New Jersey. This is not gonna play. 33 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: So he goes and he gets into a tank, a 34 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: literal tank, and he drives across l A in the 35 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: tank to Beverly Hills and then he shows up in 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: the house and he demands his guitar back. And I 37 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: quote from the journalist Andrew Bennett, Eddie once bought an 38 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: assault vehicle from a military auction. It has a shine 39 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: gun mount on the back and it is not legal. 40 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: Eddie drove that assault vehicle through l A into Beverly Hills, 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: then parked it and left it running the front lawn 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: of the house Lint Biscuit was rehearsing in. He got 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: out wearing no shirt, his hair and a samurai bun 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: on top of his head, his jeans held up with 45 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: a strand of rope, and combat boots held together by 46 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: duct tape, and he had a gun in his hand. 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: Are we sure he was still sober? Exactly right? So 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: he then demands that he gets with the gun in 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: his hand and the comb boots, duct tape and the 50 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: samurai top knot, puts the gun in Fred Durst's face, 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: and it's like, where's my guitar? Needless to say, he 52 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: got his guitar back. I just short circuit ridiculous, And 53 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: I thought, because we were talking about your brother doing 54 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: the duct tape on his boots, that's what made me 55 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: think of it. Yeah, my brother used to tear through 56 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Doc Martin's and would then have to duct tape them together. 57 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: He wasn't the only one. He and Eddie van Halen Alright, 58 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's ridiculous. You want to know something else. 59 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: That's from Girl. I'm here for the ridiculousness, Moonshine and 60 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: Daredevil Driver with Diamond Teeth. Yes, this is Ridiculous Crime, 61 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: It's always murder free and one ridiculous seven. I want 63 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: to tell you about Franklin County, Virginia. I've been there, 64 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: have you, I've not um but it's located, as you 65 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: well know. It's located in the Blue Ridge Foothills in 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: the southwestern part of the state. Very pretty. The Blue 67 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: Ridge Mountains are next. Yeah. Well, it also, did you 68 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: not has the nickname of the moonshine Capital of the World. 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: Why do you think we went there? So my there 70 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: with particular to history. Okay, so you know, well moonshine, 71 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: as you know, I'm gonna tell you anyway. I don't 72 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: like to hear myself talk. It's a high proof liquor, 73 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: yes it is, and it's called moonshine because it's made 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: by the light of the moon. Beautiful. It's also generally illegal, yep. Yeah, 75 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: where it is legal, I guess if you make it 76 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: commercially well there, Yeah, there are commercial versions now I 77 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: knew someone who had a little cessna and he would 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 1: fly a couple of states over when I lived down 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: south and pick up real moonshine and fly it back. Yeah. 80 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: But there are also companies now that outs moonshine like, yeah, 81 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: so the real stuff is illegal. My dad still gets 82 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: moons like when I go to visit him. He always 83 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: had a hine And does he ever get the kind 84 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: that they float peaches in and let it flavor like? 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: But you know he has a guy that doesn't do that, 86 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: but he does like that. Yeah, it's a popular one. Um. 87 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: So there are regulations on alcohol for two main reasons. 88 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: The first health and safety. That makes sense. Bad hooch 89 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: can kill or blind a person. Oh you always used 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: to hear about that and going blind with bad whiskey. Yeah. Well, 91 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: and that's that's the one thing that really came to 92 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: attention during prohibition, right that m prohibition between three in 93 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: the United States. Er. I just want to make sure 94 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: that everyone is on the same page. Um. When the 95 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: government banned booze, people made it themselves, right bathtub. Um. 96 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: There's a really good book called The Poisoner's Handbook. Have 97 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: you ever read that? I never even heard of it. 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: It's a book about the birth of forensic toxicology. That's 99 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: probably why I haven't heard of it. This sounds more 100 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: like it's really good, but there's like it's really really interesting. 101 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: There's a whole thing about how homemade alcohol was poisoning 102 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: and killing people at absolutely outrageous rates during the brought 103 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: during prohibition um. And then in it they talk about, 104 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: you know, all of these ways and the way that 105 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: then the government and all these toxicologists were measuring things 106 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: and trying to figure out exactly how people were killed 107 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: and what it took. Um. Why Canadian whiskey and uh 108 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: Puerto Rican rummers so valued is that they continued making 109 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: them and they knew that they were legit and it 110 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: wasn't like you had to go down to the speakeasy. 111 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: And and that's why you had then bootleggers bringing it 112 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: in on secret boats and all that stuff. Um, Why 113 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: would people risk this right even though they could die? Well, alcoholism, 114 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: alcoholism and being human. But also that's the thing is 115 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: the human you know, like people have been making alcoholic 116 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: beverages since the very beginning. We had we had beer, 117 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: before we had bread. Fermented drinks existed at least as 118 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: early as the Neolithic period love that new Stone time 119 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: ten thousand and five thousand BC. Yeah, and it's in 120 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: every culture. So it's just something that people are going 121 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: to consume one way or another. You take the grain 122 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: you have and you fermented, and later on you're like, 123 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: we could eat this too. That brings me to my 124 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: second point. Yes, that about regulation. Remember I told you 125 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,799 Speaker 1: two main things, and this is not anything written in stone. 126 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: This is just me Riffen coming up with my idea 127 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: that there are too two main things. The other thing 128 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: the other reason that you would regulate the production and 129 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the distribution. Yeah, money, baby, you can tax the burjeebers 130 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: out of it. I was figuring. I'm sorry, I don't 131 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: mean to jump here, but I was guessing. I was like, 132 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: it's gotta be money. The only reason people ever do anything. 133 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: You know, they care about the quality, but they want 134 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: to get the cream off the top. So there's import tax, 135 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: state and federal excise taxes, bar and cabaret licenses, right, 136 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: so you can make you can make money out of 137 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: every So moonshine. Back to moonshine. You've had it, yea often? 138 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: Can you still see? No? No, it's legit, like my 139 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: dad knows guys who make the good good whiskey like 140 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: it's it's super clean, super clear, great taste like it is. 141 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: It's they've been doing it for generations. It's not like 142 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: something new to them. Their basic clear commercial operation, but 143 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: just run by a family, if you want to think 144 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: of it that way. And uh yeah, so it's a 145 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: tried and too product. There's no like experimenting. They're not 146 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: still like working out the kanks of it. So it's great. 147 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: My sister's down there visiting my father right now. I 148 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: could probably call it and be like, how's the moonshine 149 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: to give you a fresh report? If you want, we should, 150 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: we'll do that. We'll get her on. Um. I think 151 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: I've had it now that you thank you for asking, 152 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: and you're worried it was about to ask. I wasn't 153 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: really impressed. I didn't you know you didn't like it? 154 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Do you like vodka? Uh? All right, do you like whiskey? 155 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: I mean I was a gin gal. Yeah, this is why. 156 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: If you don't like vodka, you probably won't like moonshine. 157 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: If you don't like whiskey, you definitely did like whiskey. 158 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: But if you don't like vodka and you don't like whiskey, 159 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: you won't like moonshine. But if you if you like 160 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: one of the two, you may, but you don't like both, 161 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: you definitely won't like. Well, I I felt like something 162 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: you just drink to get twisted. That's what's the purpose. 163 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 1: It's not like an enjoyment thing. Because to me, vodka 164 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: is like that you'd like alcohol, and then whiskey is 165 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: like you like a sipping drink to me. So that's 166 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: all I'm using. That's a good that's a good analog. 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: Uh So let's go back Franklin County. Back to Franklin County. 168 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: So the residents of this aforementioned Franklin County they've been 169 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: making moonshine since around seventeen six. Damn, like pretty much 170 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: when they got there, they set the flag, They're like, 171 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: get up the still. It's like they started. It's like 172 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: when did they get there? In the hills, it's in 173 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: the Blue Ridge. The hills are just packed with all 174 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: these little secret stills everywhere. The hollows and those hills 175 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: are amazing, those little valleys and stuff. I mean, you 176 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: can talk legitimately beautiful now before prohibition people were getting 177 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: around the whole tax thing with these illegal skills between 178 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: eight and eighteen ninety four, So in in a one 179 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: year period, Franklin County had seventies seven legal distilleries. But 180 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: so then there's this national fight against booze. Right, starts 181 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: to pick up around the turn of the sentry, all 182 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: post Civil War hangovers. Nineteen nine, most of Virginia was dry. 183 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Really Yeah, they started putting in the blue laws, no production, 184 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: no sales, yeah, nineteen nine, and so the license distilleries 185 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: start quote unquote closing. But again that's pre prohibition. In 186 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen, Virginia voted to ban alcohol statewide. Get out, 187 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: I will not prohibition. So we see it's you know, 188 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: stairs stepping into it. The market for moonshine explodes. Now, 189 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: there were plenty of these illegal skills in old Franklin 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: County because the legal ones just suddenly are illegal. Um, 191 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: if you're going to talk about moonshiners, which I am, 192 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: and Franklin County prohibition, there also, Um, we really need 193 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: to talk about Willie Carter Sharp. Okay, I thought were 194 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: gonna talk about thunder Road, but I like this, go on. 195 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: I'll singing that later Willie Carter Sharp. She is a woman. 196 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: Oh look at my sexism. I'm over here picturing a 197 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: dude with diamond teeth. The mother is the surgeon Willie 198 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: Carter Sharp. She's born in Floyd County, which is just 199 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: west of Franklin County. She's born in the early seventeen 200 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: years old. She's like, you know what, I'm blowing this area. 201 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to Roanoke and going to the big city. 202 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna work in a cotton mill like mom's like, 203 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: in the head of the big city. Um So she 204 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: she gets to to Roanoke and then she gets she's 205 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: over it. She goes then to work in an overall 206 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 1: factory in Lynchburg. Yeah, well, it's tough times. And then 207 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: she gets a job back in Roanoke at a five 208 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: and dime at a Crest five and dime store. She 209 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: didn't decide to work in a paper mill a barely 210 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: not as a logger. Um so she was only there 211 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: for a couple of months. Then she splits. She she 212 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: marries this guy, Floyd Carter, who is the son of 213 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: John Carter, who was at that time the bootleg king 214 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: of the city. She marries into this good legging family. 215 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: She gets into the family business. She starts selling liquor 216 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: around town. Like now she's doing it like to like 217 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: the ladies areas, like where the men can't be, like 218 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: she would go to like you know, a little I 219 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: don't know whatever, the equivalent of a stitch. And and 220 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: I think that she was doing that. But also, just 221 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: like anybody else, she wasn't really self relegating to women 222 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: only activities and family wasn't doing that interest. But she 223 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: divorces Floyd. I'm pretty sure that he was in prison 224 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: at the time. I might be wrong. I'm not inventing that, 225 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: but I saw this thing and and it wasn't in 226 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: the dream. It was a real document. But I don't 227 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: know if that was an official it was. It was 228 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: a divorce decree. And the thing is like in these 229 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: old documents, you don't know if you're looking at the 230 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: right person with that name and what have you, but 231 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: or even the right record of the event, because sometimes 232 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: the person will tell a lie and then the lie 233 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: gets written down and you find is evidence of the 234 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,119 Speaker 1: lie written lately completely. And so it was a declaration 235 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 1: that the husband was, you know, divorcing, and he was 236 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: in jail, but what have you anyway? Um, she's already 237 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: hall and whiskey though by the time of the divorce. 238 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: What what in the world do I mean by that, Sarah, 239 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: I was really curious to something you need to know 240 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: about Willie. She is skilled, talented, fearless, an incredibly fast driver. Really, 241 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: her skills were widely known and they were in demand. 242 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: She Zaren was the queen of the rum runners. Oh yes, 243 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: my girl. I can't believe I've never heard of her. 244 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: I'm here to help, thank you for I want to 245 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: get you. She starts working in Franklin County. She gets 246 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: to the to the center of it. She charges ten 247 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: dollars a car, which more than a hundred and sixty 248 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: and today's dollars to pilot up to ten cars at 249 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: a time on their runs out of Franklin County. When 250 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: don't you pilot up to ten cars at a time? Yeah? 251 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: As a pilot, she would follow the liquor cargoes and 252 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: she zig zag her car along the road so that 253 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: the cops couldn't overtake them. So they're just on this 254 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: run and because they don't have like radios and stuff 255 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: to radio ahead and be like they're coming down the 256 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: road and that's what it would sound. That sounds good. 257 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: Throw the spike strip. They can't do that, and so she's, ha, ha, 258 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: you can't catch me in zig zag. She's like Robert 259 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Mitchum's sister in thunder Road. If Robert Mitcham had a 260 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: sister in thunder Road. Yes, completely, you know that. You 261 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: know the run Runner movie. He's like a badass driver totally. 262 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: So she's a zigging and she's a zagging and furious. 263 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I don't know anything about those movies. 264 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: I have to tell you about them. I think um 265 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: per the Richmond Times Dispatch she acted, as they quote, 266 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: block car in dozens of these runs, so she was 267 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: banded to their snowman, yes quote, her object being to 268 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: foil pursuing officers by blocking their attempts to reach the 269 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: liquor cars ahead, or to lead them off the trail 270 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: in a mad dash over circuitous side roads while the 271 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: main caravan continued to its destination. She really is smoking 272 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: in the It was so good, so uh. Typical route 273 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: would be the first stop would be the black Water 274 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: filling station in Franklin County. That's where they'd load up 275 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: with all the liquor. I think I was able to 276 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: find this place on Google Maps. There was a column 277 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: in the Franklin News Post in where a guy mentioned 278 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: that that it was still standing on Route one outside 279 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Rocky Mount by the bridge over the Blackwater River, and 280 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: he said it was on the Rocky Mount side. So 281 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: there I was Google street View down these roads your 282 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: way through. I love that. It's like a that's a 283 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: fun thing for me. There's this novel by Matt BonDurant 284 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: called The Wettest County in the World. You ever read 285 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: It Sucks to Be You? That is a really good book. 286 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: It's a fictionalized account of this time and it involves 287 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: the author's real life grandpa and the family is called 288 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: Wettest County in the World, The Wettest County. We'll hold 289 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: on more for me. The Blackwater filling stations in the 290 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: book referenced in the book. The book was turned into 291 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: a movie called Lawless. Oh. It's starring one of your 292 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: favorite actors, Tom Hardy, two of them, Tom Hardy and 293 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: as the little brother Beef. The screenplay was by Nick Cave. 294 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: I've watched this movie and I don't tell people there's 295 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: there's source material. It comes from an actual book that 296 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: you can read the story is dude, the the guy 297 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: if he's writing about his grandfather, the guy who read 298 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the book, if that's his grandfather, that he's writing about 299 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: his grandfather was an absolute, unrepentant badass. Yes, the man 300 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: is just incredible, like a full cul This whole region 301 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: is like a spring from which springs forth. Badass completely. Yeah. 302 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: So the station that's in the movie was a set 303 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: that they built in Georgia. If you're wondering, which I 304 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: know you're not, um, but it's a great book and 305 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: it's a great movie, a great book. Let's stop for 306 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: a moment and pay homage to Willie by listening to 307 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: some ads. I don't know what I mean by that. 308 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: But when we tell you all about distracting from when 309 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: we come back, i'm gonna tell you more about black 310 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: Water filling Station, about rum running everything, I'm gonna tell 311 00:17:42,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: you everything you want to know. Welcome back, Thanks for 312 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: sticking around. I mean, I know you have important places 313 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: to be. You handcuffed me to this chair. I appreciate 314 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: your hearing concern in listening to my story today. I'm 315 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: enjoying it. Let's get back to run running, shall we. 316 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: So we're talking convoy. She's got a mighty convoy. Yes, 317 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: Willie Carter Sharp. She's loading up all these these cars 318 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: ten bucks of pop. She starts this convoy. They'd leave 319 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: the filling station, then they go north to Roanoke, and 320 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: then from there the drivers split up and they'd make 321 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: deliveries in Lynchburg, Covington, Virginia. I've never been there. I 322 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: don't know where it is. And then they'd also venture 323 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: into West Virginia. So my favorite of the Virginia and like, 324 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: come all, Willie. She also occasionally traveled as far as Washington, 325 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: d C. In Baltimore. I was wondering if you got 326 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: up to either Pennsylvania or DC, because if you gets 327 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: into West Virginia, you're basically and what's called the Pencil 328 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: Tucky region. Yeah. Well, I think sometimes she was driving 329 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: so fast she didn't realize she'd gone that far. I'm 330 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: in New Jersey. So anyway, she said she drove every 331 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: single bit day of the year, and sometimes making two 332 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: or three trips a day. I love she's making cash too. 333 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: She said she piloted at least a hundred and ten 334 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: gallons of liquor in a day. Damn. Yeah, her speeds, 335 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: what do you think her top speed was back then? 336 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: I don't even know what would be like let's say, right, 337 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: my dad told me lots these stories, so you know, 338 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: I got a good sense of this. Between nineteen twenty 339 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: one and nineteen thirty one, she was arrested thirteen times 340 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: for speeding and reckless driving. A woman after your own heart, 341 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: she was called. She was called the queen of the 342 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: Roanoke room runners. Yeah, she had it like airbrushed on 343 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: a T shirt, sat jacket. Um, it's not exactly like 344 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: we can't really pinpoint the exact amount of booze that 345 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: she drove, right, because we don't. They weren't keeping close records. Um, 346 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: but the notes on a criminal conspiracy the government connected 347 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: her to around seventy nine thousand gallons between September of 348 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: twenty and May of thirty one. Damn girl. Yeah, however, 349 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: she said between seven and thirty one, quote, she helped 350 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: moved out of the county nearly a hundred and forty 351 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: five thousand gallons of whiskey. She's like, no, it's double that. 352 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: Governor don't know nothing. Other newspaper reports said that she 353 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: moved two hundred thousand to two hundred fifty gallons of liquor. 354 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: Someone's exaggerating, And then I showed up and it was 355 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: like four point six million, and they're like, how did 356 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: you get there? You live in the sad She invented liquor. 357 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: But they were all in the newspapers are saying she 358 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: moved more than the men did. And she continued working 359 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: as a pilot until May of nineteen thirty one, and 360 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: that's when she was arrested for violating prohibition. So she 361 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: was just getting hard charges the Treasury Department kind of 362 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: she was, No, she was, it was the local consult 363 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: I was just wondering in with It's later she gets 364 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: found guilty, sentenced to three years in prison, and she 365 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: served her time at Alderson Federal Prison in West Virginia. 366 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: Fun facts about Alderson, Are you ready for them? Buckled in? 367 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: Alderson officially opened in sam practicing my docent gigs. It 368 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: was the first federal women's prison in the United States. 369 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: Did you know that now you do? Willie would have 370 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: most certainly been there when Eleanor Roosevelt toured the campus 371 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: in May of thirty four. Two great women meeting together, 372 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: they high fived, winked at each other, tour went on. 373 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: The first lady, what a girl. The first lady said, quote, 374 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: I think it's a very wonderful institution. It is so 375 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: because you don't feel it is one of this nature. 376 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 1: So it's a prison. Who doesnt feel like a It 377 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a prison, feels like a spot. And 378 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: why make it a prison? You know who else served 379 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: time at this prison? Um fancy pants me, Billie Holiday, 380 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: Tokyo Rose Damn and later the big boss of all bosses, 381 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: Martha Stewart. So the day that Willie was released from prison, 382 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: she gets subpoenaed by the grand jury for this upcoming trial, 383 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: the Moonshine conspiracy trial. They're going after all the local moonshiners. 384 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: She's gonna be like a star witness. Yes, there's this 385 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: federal agent, Colonel Thomas Bailey. He's a he's an upright man. 386 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: And is he a colonel, a Kentucky colonel or is 387 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: he a military colonel? I don't know, Well, Kentucky colonels 388 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: are by name only. Now I think he's a military cortinal. 389 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: He where's a corset? I don't know. He was an 390 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: undercover agent for the Feds. He pretended to be a 391 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: moonshine buyer and went to Franklin County. I don't know why, 392 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: I just keep picturing over the corset. They're like, it's 393 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: the traditional dress of the moonshine. He's got tassels. Let's pretend. Um, 394 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: he wasn't interested in busting the small skills. He wanted 395 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: the big fish, the big dogs, the people. He wanted 396 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: the ones who are running the whole operation and taking 397 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: advantage of all these homegrown skills. Right, So he wants 398 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: to catch the still operators and runners, but then flip them. Okay, 399 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: so it's not that he's ignoring them trying to work 400 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: his way up to the master. In the course of 401 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: his investigation, he figured out that the distillers were paying 402 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: the local sheriffs for protection. Not that big of a surprise. Um, 403 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: So that that how they're avoiding all the federal Yeah, 404 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: because I mean everybody knew that. That's that's the whole 405 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: points is corrupt. How are you gonna get in there? 406 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: Because you got enough live the sheriff and right. In fact, 407 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: the governor of Virginia told state law enforcement to just 408 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: take fines from people that they caught don't clog up 409 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: the whole criminal justice system throwing them and it's seriously 410 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: don't know. We're not going to have them go through 411 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: the courts or the jail. Just pay, just get your 412 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: little nut you need and then move on. So don't 413 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: clogged the criminal justice system. Because in the criminal justice system, 414 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: the people are represented by two separate, yet equally important groups. 415 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: The good old boy sheriffs who take bribes and look 416 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: the other way, and the moonshiners who keep the public lubricated. 417 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: These are their stories. Thank you, thank you for indulging 418 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: me right there. Anyway, the whole conspiracy case takes two 419 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: years to build. Bailey lived undercover course for that two years, 420 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: very constricted, just gathering of a and could not breathe 421 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: into his course, he gathers evidence, so he's totally undercover, 422 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: deep cover. When the time's right, he strikes into A 423 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: grand jury is convened. Federal Willie Carter Sharp is called 424 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: to testify. During her testimony, quote, her diamond studded teeth 425 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: caused a sensation in the courtroom. Diamond. This woman shows 426 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: up to testify in front of the grand jury wearing 427 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: a grill. I mean it's a stone cold move. It's 428 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: so flashy for the time to nobody's doing this is 429 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: just like you haven't seen this since I don't know 430 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: Cleopatras depression. She's got a faceful of diamonds. And you 431 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: know what that means is if it's the depression, you 432 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: have a faceful of diamonds, you're so dangerous. No one's 433 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: going to try to take them out of your mouth. 434 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: And they look at my fortune right here in my mouth. 435 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: It is so fox on a flex. This is it's 436 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: it's in poor hill country. It's a depression. Ol Gal 437 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: Stretton in diamonds and her grill diamonds in her neck 438 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: actually just a grill um so per this contemporary report 439 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: in the Richmond Times Dispatch quote, Mrs Sharpe is credited 440 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: with having outwitted state and federal prohibition officers on dozens 441 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: of occasions when they attempted to capture a load of 442 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: contraband liquor. Her thrilling races over the tortuous mountain roads 443 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: and down the main streets of Roanoke, Rocky Mount and 444 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: other mountain towns are credited as deeds of a devil 445 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: may care valor, which her male counter companions seldom venture 446 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: to duplicate. I love the writing in old newspapers there, 447 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: like check out the eggs on this one. She's got 448 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 1: a real pair. So um great conspiracy trial, the Great 449 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: Moonshine conspiracy trial. After hearing her testimony, and I assume 450 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: and testimony of others, I'm guessing also looking at evidence 451 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: or whatever grand jury does, they indicted thirty four people. 452 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: Quote hope that includes the sheriff. Hold onto your pants, 453 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: hold onto your corset Burnett. There's in a conspiracy case 454 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: that defrauded the federal government of an estimated five point 455 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 1: five million dollars in whiskey excise taxes. That's a hundred 456 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: and nineteen million dollars today. That that's a big chunk 457 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: a change. Yeah, who are some of the people charged? 458 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: You wanted to know who I do? I do the 459 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: commonwealth attorney, a former sheriff for deputies, a former state 460 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: prohibition officer, and one of the federal investigators on the case. 461 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: The attorney in question was Charles carter Le, the great 462 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: nephew of Robert Eally forgot about them lazy. The people 463 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: charge were the big dogs, not ground level runners like 464 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Willie So Seven of the defendants, including the sheriff, immediately 465 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: pled guilty. Seven others later chose not to contest the charges. 466 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: Um After the grand jury indictment, Willie she's concerned that 467 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: she's also going to be arrested, so she goes to St. Louis. 468 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: She buys new work. I have no idea what she did. 469 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: I like that she's to St. Louis. Meet me in St. Louis. Um. 470 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: The Feds find her, though, and they bring her back. 471 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: They haul her back to Roanoke for the trial. She 472 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: was allowed to drive herself back, so they're like, hey, 473 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: tap tap tap, you got it. She's a great buyers up. 474 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: She was considered one of the government's ace witnesses, and 475 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 1: she got immunity from prosecution thanks to her testimony. Will 476 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: Saren Elizabeth, I want you to close your eyes and 477 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: I want you to picture it. It's May nine. It's 478 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful spring day, not a cloud in the sky. 479 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: You're in the courthouse in Roanoke, Virginia, and you are 480 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: at the conspiracy trial that's supposed to bring down the 481 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: illegal liquor trade in the Blue Ridge. A witness is 482 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: called to the stand. It is the one hundred and 483 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: sixty witness of this trial, but is sore out of 484 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy six total. God. A woman walks 485 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: to the front to swear her oath to tell the truth, 486 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So help 487 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: her jaw. It's Willie Carter sharp. Hey. She approaches the 488 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: stand and you get a look at this speed demon, 489 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: this vixen, all white, white shoes, white dress, white hat, 490 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: the very picture of virtue. But you and many in 491 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: the courtroom you're waiting for one last reveal. As she 492 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: turns and smiles to the judge, you're disappointed. She's taken 493 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: the diamonds out of I drove three counties. Now let's 494 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: take another break. I gotta get some diamonds in my girls, 495 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: so give me some time. When we come back, I'm 496 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 1: gonna tell you what happened after she flashed her diamond 497 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: less girl and started her to testimony. Yeah exactly, zaren 498 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: a little bit. How's your courset so tight? And my 499 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: butt store from sitting in a sea for esses? I 500 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: am a mess right now? Girl, Well, let's talk. Let's 501 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: talk about what's going on to this trial that you're 502 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: sitting there captivated by h Willie. She's up there, she 503 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: is weaving a tail, and everyone is just enamored of her, 504 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: even though she doesn't have a grill in anymore. We 505 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: forgive her. Yeah, They're like, she's just so cool. She's 506 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: done all this crazy stuff. She probably didn't didn't want 507 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: the juge to be jealous. Well, one of the people 508 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,719 Speaker 1: in the courtroom was Sherwood Anderson. Yes, he was covering 509 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: the trial for Liberty magazine, and the peace was assigned 510 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: to him by Treasury Secretary Henry Morgan. Thou Oh yeah, yeah, 511 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: so he's like got it from up I he wrote, 512 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: he is a big one. He wrote during the trial, 513 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: Willie quote told the story of mountain men become big 514 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: time promoters, convoys of cars on the road at night, 515 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: herself in a fast car acting as pilot, government men 516 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: not fixed, coming in from Washington, the chase at night, 517 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: cars scattering, dashing through the night streets of town. The 518 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: big business carried on. I carried right on after prohibition ended. 519 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: So he's he's just enthralled. He's loving this story that 520 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: she's telling, and then he's relaying it to everyone else 521 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: in this really beautiful language. Sherwood and I are of 522 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,959 Speaker 1: one of you, I I you are. In the article 523 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: which came out in November of ninety five, Anderson called 524 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: Franklin County the wettest place in the United States, and 525 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: that's where we get the title of wettest county in 526 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: the world. Anyway. Anderson later wrote a novel of his 527 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: own called Kit Brandon in six the title character based 528 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: on Willie Carter Sharp. One trial attendee said quote, I 529 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: saw her go right through the main street of our town, 530 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 1: and there was a federal car right after her. They 531 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: were ganging away, trying to shoot down her tires, and 532 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: she was driving at seventy five miles an hour. She 533 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: got away, So her seventy five is through the middle 534 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: of town. Do't even mind that is through a street 535 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: that has most likely horses on it. This is a 536 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: slow moving rural place. There's gonna be people who have 537 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 1: a wagon still. Some people are gonna have tractors going 538 00:32:52,840 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: into apple carts, cabbages, ducks in the road. So she 539 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: finishes her testimony defense they don't even want to cross 540 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: exam and they're like, no, never mind. Yeah. The trial 541 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: ended after ten weeks on July one. During the trial, 542 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: it was estimated that over three point five million gallons 543 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: of moonshine came out of Franklin County in a four 544 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: year period. That's a lot of it was. Yeah. It 545 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: was also the second longest trial in Virginia to date 546 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: and the longest one longest trial in Virginia. Longs trial 547 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: in Virginia to date up to that point. Uh, scopes 548 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: monkey trot I was in Virginia. I don't know what 549 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: the treason trial of Aaron Burr in Richmond seven. Yeah, 550 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: it beat that record. Per the Franklin News Post quote, 551 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: twenty of the twenty three defendants were found guilty. Charles 552 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: Carter Lee and two deputies were acquitted. Most of those 553 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: received light sentences and were reportedly back in the business 554 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: before they even started serving their jail times. Tell you 555 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: when I said no, but I'm talking to under two years, 556 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,319 Speaker 1: super low fines. Thirty four only got probation. They never 557 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: saw time after the trial. Is also, by the way, 558 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: in a country that has now made like at this 559 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: point prohibition has ended, so like you're busting people for 560 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 1: a thing that is done. Yeah, exactly. The revenuers. After 561 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: the trial, Anderson interviewed Sharpe for his peace and she 562 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: told him, quote, it was the excitement that got me, 563 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: damn right, girl, that was why she decided to be 564 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: a pilot. She also told him that after she had 565 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: been released from prison, women with quote some of the 566 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: best blood in Virginia wrote to her asking to quote 567 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: go along and a run at night. They wanted the 568 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 1: kick of it. Yeah, she means, not like a vampire, 569 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 1: the best blood. She means like blue bloods. Right exactly. 570 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: She's like, I tasted their blood. It was exquisite, amazing 571 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: that the iron count alone. They so they want the 572 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: kick about that kick? Did you know? I'm sure you did, 573 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: but I'll say it anyway. NASCAR can trace its origins 574 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: to bootlegging. I didn't know that right. For the unfamiliar, 575 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 1: NASCAR is the National Association for stock car racing. It's 576 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 1: the governing body of start car racing in the US, 577 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: and stock cars came from the moonshine running and stock 578 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,400 Speaker 1: car racing. Just in case people aren't familiar with that, 579 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: it's driving hell fast around an oval track, but in 580 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: a car that's stock it's not a well, it's production 581 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: model cars originally, but they've now been modeled sometimes this point. 582 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: But originally it was you've taken a car you can 583 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: buy off the lot, and you make it faster, which 584 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: is what the rum runners did exactly. Moonshine runners like 585 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: Willie Carter Sharp, they souped up their cars to be 586 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 1: able to outrun the fuzz And you're saying, but they 587 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to draw attention to themselves, and so they 588 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: kept the outsides of the car looking normal. Cottage industry 589 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: grows up, right, of all these local garages. They can 590 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: modify the cars running. Prohibition ends, so did the need 591 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: for driving like a maniac, right, at least for survival sake. 592 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: But the lovely competition is still being the factist in 593 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: the county. Well, and you've got all these drivers. They're 594 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: just too good to stop. They don't want to waste 595 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,759 Speaker 1: that talent, and they want, as Willie put it, the 596 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 1: kick of it. And they got places to do flat 597 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: track racing. So yeah, So this guy, Jamie Joyce, he 598 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: wrote a book called Moonshine, a Cultural History of America's 599 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: Infamous liquor. He said, quote, A lot of the money 600 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,959 Speaker 1: that went into backing NASCAR in the very beginning came 601 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: from a man named Raymond Parks. He made his money 602 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: in moonshining, and he provided early financial support to NASCAR. 603 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: So it's not just the drivers and the mechanics, but 604 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: it's like the founders of it. One of NASCAR's early 605 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: well known drivers Junior Johnson. Oh, yes, he got his 606 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: start behind the wheel delivering moonshine. Yeah. He actually like 607 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: he served eleven months in prison. He uh, he goes 608 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: above board, right, partnering with a company to make Junior 609 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: Johnson's midnight move. So he he also built distillery. Another 610 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,959 Speaker 1: driver was Wendell Oliver Scott and he was a black 611 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: American racer from Danville, Virginia. He started as a taxi driver. 612 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 1: My family lived in Danville for a while. Maybe you're related. 613 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 1: He starts as a taxi driver and he's using his 614 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: skills and his mechanics skills, his driving skills to haul 615 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: illegal whiskey. And he became the first and only black 616 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: driver to win a major league NASCAR race at the time. 617 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: And then you got badass Willie Carter Sharp, pioneer of 618 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,919 Speaker 1: run rounding, an inspiration to stock car drivers to come 619 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: even if they didn't know it. She's their spiritual mother. Yeah. 620 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: Her techniques or speed or skill laid the foundation for 621 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: people like the most beloved NASCAR driver of all time. 622 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: I am talking, of course, about none other than Ricky Bobby. 623 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 1: About to throw three fingers in the air, and then 624 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 1: you throw Ricky Bobby at me, I'm like three for Dale, Right, Dale, 625 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: senior fans are gonna come burned down house. I'm going 626 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: to show them where it is. It's Ricky Bobby. It's 627 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: not Ricky Bobby, it's Dick Trickle. That's one of the 628 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: best movies ever. And what's your ridiculous takeaway, Aaron, that 629 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: you think Ricky Body is better than Let's not think 630 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: it's no the best driver is actually Richer Petty. And 631 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: we all know, Baron, if you're not first, your last, 632 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just going to hold up a silent 633 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,479 Speaker 1: three over here for I can't stand ask much us 634 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 1: away is that if you're ever going to testify in court, 635 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: wear a grill and be a legend. Have girls get 636 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: out of fashion. I don't think there's there's still a 637 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: place downtown here in Oakland called Royal Blank. 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