1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Abby Monday, everyone, and welcome Inside with the Insiders alongside 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Mike Garrafolo and the in Rappaport. I am Tom Pelasero. 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: This is our Monday podcast edition of the show. Of course, 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: you used to see us Tuesday's, Wednesdays Fridays on NFL Network. 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: You see us five days a week on YouTube and 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: on NFL Plus well on Mondays because we've got Game 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 1: Day Kickoff that takes you up to Monday night football. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: We have a two part podcast every Monday. 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, this is part one. Did you 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 2: replace your picture in that inside? 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 3: Like, oh sure, good, yeah, that is not the picture 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 3: that was not a Did you tell them to use 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: the sexy Tom picture? 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: Is that what you're going for there? 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 4: I did. 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: I did tell the powers to be to remove all 17 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: references to that old photo that's like five years old, 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: you guys. That's also your photos from like five years ago. 19 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: I got mine taken Wednesday. Jane Slater, who will be 20 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: with us shortly here to talk about the Cowboys Giants 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: bonanza we had yesterday. We both were there and got 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: new pictures taken at the Combine in February. So I 23 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: got the flip around of gold football, Like, I know 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: what I'm doing with football at anyway, You're not here 25 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: to hear us talk about our headstage. 26 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 5: Take those pictures at the combine, because of the tired 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 5: state that we are constantly in. 28 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: So I try to avoid that tired. 29 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the worst that I often you went with 30 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: my kids when dad can't get out of bed. All right, 31 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: let's talk about football Week two and specifically a lot 32 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: of injuries around the NFL, none bigger than the one 33 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: we saw in Cincinnati. Joe Burrow is out for at 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: minimum three months. He suffered what Ian and I reported 35 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 1: last night is believed to be a grade three turf 36 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: toe injury. Turf toe might see minors sometimes it is, 37 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: but the grade three, Ian is, you're talking about tears, 38 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: complete tears. There's not a rehab option. He saw a 39 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: different specialist. There's really no other path here. And so 40 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: for the Bengals, you're talking about one of the best 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: players in the league and won that unfortunately for the 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: third time in his career. They're gonna have to go 43 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: a long ways in the season without. 44 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I hate this, I hate all of it. And 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 5: you know now I'm watching the replay of Burrow. I mean, 46 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 5: the pain he was in. It's such a random, weird thing, 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 5: and injuries are generally annoying, and this seemed to be 48 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 5: a pretty crappy day for quarterback injuries. And we will 49 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 5: for sure get to that in a second. But watching 50 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 5: him go down, if you really study it, you can 51 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 5: see the foot almost snap, like he's got his toe 52 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 5: in the ground and then it flexes and then it 53 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 5: just snaps and gives out, and it's like, Okay, this 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 5: is really bad. And so you know, the Bengals are 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 5: one of the only teams that maybe the only team 56 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 5: that has an MRI machine in the stadium. They did 57 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 5: an MRI quickly. You knew that this was serious. It 58 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 5: was really just a matter of how serious. And you're right, Tom, 59 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 5: we talked about the Grade three turf toe injury last night. 60 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 5: He knew at that point is his season, most of 61 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 5: his season was over. He knew at that point surgery 62 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 5: is necessary. And from my understanding, every specialist that Joe 63 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 5: Burrow saw, every specialist he had skins sen to, told 64 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 5: him surgery was necessary. That is what he is going 65 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 5: to do. It's three months, which puts him back. Mike 66 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 5: in early to mid December, which means if Jake Browning 67 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: keeps them up right and they have a cushion there 68 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 5: to oh, if Jake Browning keeps them up right, they 69 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 5: got a chance. And like, I think they really do 70 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 5: have a chance. This is a good Bengals team. Burrow 71 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 5: has played okay thus far, and they have been in it. 72 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: I think they got a real shot. 73 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 5: But you know, one thing we've learned, if you don't 74 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 5: have a backup quarterback, do you have faith in? Like 75 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 5: why bother? This is a player most people have never 76 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 5: heard of, but it is someone that this team has 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: faith in. 78 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: This is usually where we say, well, now they're going 79 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 3: to rely on their defense to ease the burden. That's 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: not happening here right, Like, it's just going to have 81 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: to be Jake Browning, you know, playing as well as 82 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: he can. I know that they feel good and have 83 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: felt good about the way that Jake Brownie operates and 84 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: the way that he makes decisions on the field, the 85 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: way that he quarterbacks the team, and the way that 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor asks him to do. And I remember watching 87 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: the Commander's game that they played in the preseason. He 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: was sharp, and I remember watching that going you know what, 89 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 3: Bengals got themselves a really good. 90 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: QB two here in Jake Browning. 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: It's just you don't want to have to maybe three games, 92 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: you want to have to lean on him, not three 93 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: months here. So it's a tough division. Again, they don't 94 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: have that defensive element. They're gonna probably try to lean 95 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: on Chase brown a little bit more in that running game. 96 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: Maybe that helps you out a little bit too as well. 97 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 2: I think they've got a shot. 98 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 3: I like Jake Browning, I kind of want to see it, like, 99 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: I kind of want to see them be that playoff 100 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: team or that the wild card team, and then here 101 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: comes Joe Burrow back and can he take them, you know, 102 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: three games on the road and wind up winning enough 103 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: to get them to the super Bowl. It's a fun storyline. 104 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: I think I think they would have a shot in 105 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 3: that element. 106 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: They've done it before, and then is really the baseline here, 107 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: it's like twelve to fourteen weeks. It's somewhere in that bandwidth, 108 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: so you're talking about playing the bulk of the season. 109 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: And it did not sound last night like there was 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: a lot of optimism among people with the organization, even 111 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: teammates that we're going to see Joe Burrow back onto 112 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: the field, you also know he's going to do everything 113 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: possible to be back out there. I'm reminded at times 114 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: like this of the famous quote from Tom Moore when 115 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: he was the offensive coordinator with the Colts and I 116 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: Paul I can't remember the origin of the quote, but 117 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,239 Speaker 1: in essence, it was somebody asked, Tom Moore, why aren't 118 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: you giving the backup quarterback any reps? Peyton Manning's taking 119 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: all the reps, and Tom Moore, I'll clean this up 120 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: slightly for broadcast. His response was, if something happens to Peyton, 121 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: we are ft and we don't practice ft. That's almost 122 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: every team in the league. It's really really hard if 123 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: you're going to your backup quarterback. Ideally you're thinking it's 124 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: four games. Four games that guy can win two. That's 125 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: about as long as you're talking about. It's very, very 126 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: rare that someone is going to take over and go 127 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: the line and share of the season and be able 128 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: to keep you on course and keep you on a 129 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: championship type of a trajectory. But at least there's there's 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: some light in the tunnel that if they can get 131 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: there into December, then maybe Joe Burrow was able to 132 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: get back onto the field. And to your point on 133 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Jake Grutin, I believe it was receive me on Jake Browning. 134 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: Sorry you just texted the name Gruden for no appairent reasons. 135 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: Four and three was his record the last time that 136 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: he filled in for Joe Burrow. He's a former. He 137 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: got Heisman votes when he was I believe a freshman 138 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: or a sophomore Washington. I mean, Jake Browning's played pretty 139 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: well up until Browning got that opportunity a few years 140 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: ago in Cincinnati to play in place at Burrow. The 141 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: thing that I at least knew Jake Browning best from 142 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: was the practice in training camp on what happened to 143 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: be the first ever back together Saturday, when I was 144 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: supposed to interview Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. Well, one of 145 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: the other quarterbacks got COVID. The other quarterbacks who were 146 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: not vaccinated then were taking out his close contacts. The 147 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: only quarterback for that practice was Jake Browning, And so 148 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: we watched a lot of Jake Browning that night. He 149 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: is talented, He's got some gamer to him, and we're 150 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: going to see it as he comes back to Minnesota 151 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: for his first start in Week three against the Minnesota 152 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Vike Can I jump it? 153 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 5: Can I jump in? I'm sorry, sorry, Just a really 154 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 5: quick Jake Browning story. So Jake Browning was sort of 155 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 5: basically like teetering on the brink of being essentially out 156 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 5: out of the league and went to work with Jordan Palmer. 157 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 5: Palmer told me this story two years ago, and we 158 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 5: did this with Burrow's wrist injury, and basically what Browning 159 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 5: did was dedicate himself to being Joe Burrow. So he 160 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: started emulating him and learning his mannerisms and doing everything 161 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 5: he could to be essentially Joe Burrow and be the 162 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 5: backup who, like when he was in teammates would feel 163 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: like Joe Burrow is in the huddle. And I thought 164 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 5: that was really strange, except it definitely worked, and he 165 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,119 Speaker 5: just put an insane amount of work and became minie 166 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 5: Joe Burrow. And now he's been his backup and their buddies, 167 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: and yeah, it's kind of a. 168 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: Kind of a cool thing. 169 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 5: And now he's going to start. 170 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: For the Bengalske Browning going up against not JJ McCarthy 171 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: on Sunday Minnesota, and now appears that it is going 172 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: to be Carson Wentz instead, because amidst a very frustrating, 173 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: ugly performance on national TV for JJ McCarthy and the 174 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: Vikings against the Falcons last night, JJ also suffered what 175 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: he and I are told is a high ankle spring. 176 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: He is again they're not ruling him out, but he 177 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: is week to week at this point full expectation. Does 178 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: not play on Sunday against the Bengals. Then look at 179 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: the Vikings upcoming schedule. Ian They've got a Week four 180 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: game in London. It's going to be in Dublin against 181 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: the Steelers. Then Week five against the Browns in London. 182 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do with a high 183 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,319 Speaker 1: ankle spring is get on like an eight to ten 184 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: hour flight. There's some real complications as they're trying to 185 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: figure out how to get JJ McCarthy healthy, and so 186 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a guy who wasn't even on 187 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: the team a month ago, Carson Wentz could be in 188 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: line not just for one start, but for the near term. 189 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: Here here's because here's my question. Do we know when 190 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: this happened? Like, was there a hit? Was there a 191 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: moment there was? Yeah, the third quarter hit where he 192 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: kind of got crumpled up. He kept it was kind 193 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: of a hip drop type tackle. Yeah, but if you 194 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: get crumpled like that, then the next morning, when the adrenaline, 195 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: adrenaline wears off a lot of times, ian is where 196 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: you start to feel that thing. And obviously they're they're 197 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: not optimistic about JJ been out there this week and 198 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: maybe for even beyond that. 199 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think first of all that makes sense. 200 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 5: And now, look, he it's an injury, it's a real injury. 201 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: I would expect a multiple week absence for JJ McCarthy, 202 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 5: hopefully just too. If it's more, then I think they'll 203 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 5: be okay. Carson Wentz, I will defer to to our 204 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 5: Carson Wentz reporter who is also on this podcast named 205 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 5: Mike Carrifoea. He'll talk in a second. I think this 206 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 5: is going to be good for JJ McCarthy. I know 207 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 5: he watched last year. I know he watched, But JJ 208 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 5: McCarthy is someone who probably would benefit from just taking 209 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 5: a deep breath. He gets get stressed, and I know 210 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 5: it's a lot, and I think he's going to be okay, 211 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 5: but I think he's going to benefit from taking a 212 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 5: step back and breathing and watching from the sidelines or wherever, 213 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 5: and I think that's going to help. So this injury, 214 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 5: I mean, it's real injury, don't get me wrong, but 215 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 5: certainly this is something that long term wise, I think 216 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 5: is going to be I think it's going to end 217 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 5: up being good for the Vikings and for McCarthy, who 218 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 5: showed enough where you're like, all right, this guy could 219 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 5: be good. Just got to go out and do it consistently. 220 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 5: Now Mike hit the Carson Wentz angle. 221 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it was a lot last week 222 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: for JJ McCarthy. 223 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: The emotional win on on Monday, a short week as 224 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: a kid, so he's away from practice on Thursday, which God, congratulations, 225 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 3: Like by no means saying like, oh, you shouldn't have 226 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: been stop, don't even take anything from that. 227 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: I'm just saying it was a lot. 228 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: Then you got a Sunday night game at home, an 229 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: emotional game there as well, a high profile game, I 230 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: should say, So it's a lot for JJ McCarthy there. 231 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 3: You're right, it's a real injury, but this gives them 232 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: a chance to take a step back and go, Okay, 233 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: what did we learn from those two games, especially with 234 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: the way that he came back after not playing well 235 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 3: the first three quarters. I mean Chris collins Worth said 236 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 3: that he goes this is eight quarters, one really good one, 237 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 3: seven not so great one. So there's work to do 238 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 3: for JJ McCarthy. As for Carson Wentz, he's played. He 239 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 3: started two games in the last two years, one in 240 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: Week eight team with the Chiefs last year, one in 241 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: Week eight team with the Rams the year before. Played 242 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: really well in that game with the Rams last year 243 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: with the Chiefs, like they rested everybody. I don't know 244 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 3: how you possibly take anything from that one there. 245 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: So I know that they seem to feel good with 246 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: what he's done so far. 247 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: The biggest thing for him is going to be protecting 248 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: the football, Right, you got all these targets in this offense, 249 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: and you're going to have that temptation to kind of 250 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 3: open things up and you want to get the ball 251 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: to Justin Jefferson. 252 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: Don't force it, Carson. 253 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: Make sure you make smart decisions, play within yourself as 254 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 3: much as possible. Again, you're not going up against an 255 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: offense that you're expecting to put up forty now because 256 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 3: they're without their quarterback. So I would say if he's 257 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: watching right, now, and I know Carson is as he 258 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: prepares for this game. Just stay within yourself, stay within 259 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 3: your game plan as much as possible. 260 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: Also important to note, even though Carson Wentz did not 261 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: sign with the Vikings until essentially cut down day, that 262 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: was in the works for weeks. The Vikings wanted to 263 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: bring in Carson Wentz. It just wasn't a fit with 264 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: Sam Howell Well. What they needed was somebody else to 265 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: trade for Sam Howell because they've given up a pick 266 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: to get him. They wanted to make sure that they 267 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 1: got some type of a return, so they ended up 268 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: holding onto Sam Howell for a couple of extra weeks, 269 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: continue to put him on the field that we didn't 270 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: play in the preseason finale, lo and behold, Tanner McGee 271 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: gets banged up in Philadelphia. All of a sudden, they've 272 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: got a taker for Sam Howell. But Carson Wentz based 273 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: on his mutual familiarity with the system, having been with 274 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: Sean McVay, who, of course Kevin O'Connell coached under here, 275 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: you'd think it's gonna be a pretty smooth transition on 276 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: a Vikings team that's got a ton of weapons. I'll 277 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: be a little bit banged up right now because no 278 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: Jordan Asson for one more week. He'll be back week 279 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: four from his suspension. Also, Aaron Jones severed a hamstring injury, 280 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: not expected to play this Sunday either. We got through 281 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: other than brock Purty, pretty healthy week one for quarterback injuries. 282 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: We had a couple more come out of Week two, 283 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: justin fields in the concussion protocol. There's not a ton 284 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: to say about that because that's completely subject to the 285 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: protocol and the clearance from independent doctors here. Also, you 286 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: guys might report it on Jaden Daniels, an injury that 287 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: came out a Thursday night's game. He had the knee wrap, 288 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: but there wasn't a whole lot of discussion about it 289 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: all of a sudden. Now his status for week three 290 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: sounds like it's seemed out two. 291 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 6: Well, he's had evaluations the last couple of days, and 292 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 6: there is a knee spraying there, which can mean many 293 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 6: things we know, obviously, and it is something that has 294 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 6: his status up in the air, in doubt, however you 295 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 6: want to phrase that. 296 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: At this point, they've got to see how he does 297 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: throughout the week. Obviously, mobility is a big part of 298 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: what he does, and in this case, you do have 299 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: a veteran in Marcus Mariota that you feel really good 300 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: about the Marcus Mariota revenge game playing against the Raiders. 301 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 2: Potentially that'd be interesting, so you know, it's it's gonna 302 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: have to be I would expect him. Yeah, sorry, there 303 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: you go. Thanks for thanks. I don't know if I 304 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: follow you. 305 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: There's a lot going on today. I spent a lot 306 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 5: of my day staring at my phone waiting to de 307 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 5: send on the Jayden twin. 308 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: Mario has got. 309 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: The potential for a number of revenge games at the 310 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 3: start in his career, So yeah, I mean, I think, 311 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: I think you're gonna want to And Dan Quinn alluded 312 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: to this when he spoke to the media today and said, 313 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 3: we want to make sure that he's fully healthy. I 314 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: mean that you don't want him out there if he 315 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: can't move, and now he's put himself in danger to 316 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: suffer something else. 317 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: So I don't know right now. If he didn't play, 318 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: would not surprise me at all, though I would say that, yeah, 319 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: I would. 320 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 5: I would probably agree, and I would also say, like 321 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 5: one of the things that's happened with the seventeen game 322 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 5: seasons that teams and I didn't really anticipate it being 323 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 5: like this. Teams seem to be more cautious with injuries 324 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: than at any point I can remember, like last you know, 325 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 5: the last three years compared to the previous ten or whatever, 326 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 5: Like if a player is in doubt, it's almost always 327 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 5: now like just rest him. And I think that's yeah, Like, 328 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 5: and the Commanders are gonna be around for a while, 329 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 5: and I think they're really good and it's not a 330 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 5: terrible thing to play without him for what I like, 331 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 5: it's just I think it seems to me like they're 332 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 5: probably gonna rest him. I think probably Marcus is gonna play. 333 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 5: I would imagine they'll be okay. I also wonder if 334 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: this makes the Commanders pull back on the number of 335 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 5: runs that they call for Jayden Daniels, Like, I mean, 336 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 5: I'm sort of like this with everyone because every quarterback 337 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 5: injury is bad, But every time he's running around, I'm 338 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 5: like just cringing. It's just like, I mean, JJ is 339 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 5: the same thing like running around putting yourself in harm's way, 340 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 5: weird angles, getting hit from different sides, like all streams injury. 341 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 5: To me, like protect your quarterback, and I do wonder 342 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 5: going forward if the commanders take a little bit of 343 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: a kind of a different look at it, you know. 344 00:15:52,880 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Four from me insiders after this, there was more than 345 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: injuries on the Sunday in Week two. We also had 346 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: some absolutely wild finishes across the NFL. None of them 347 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: wilder that what we saw take place in Dallas, where 348 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: our Jane Slater, who joins us right now, was on 349 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: the scene for that game. Jane, I try at this 350 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: point because I've learned my lesson to not live tweet games, 351 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: never share an opinion. I thought I was safe with 352 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: like twenty three seconds left or whatever it was, to say, boy, 353 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: no quarterback questions for the Giants. Russell Wilson looks great. 354 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 7: And then here, oh yeah, I noticed that told off 355 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 7: pull it off an unbelievable working boy. Take me inside 356 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 7: that building to what you watch play out today before 357 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 7: you talk to that guy Brandon Aubrey, who had a 358 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 7: pretty heroic performance. 359 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: Well, you know how we like to say games are drunk. 360 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 4: This one was obliterated. I med literally falling. 361 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 8: Over, couldn't pick him up. 362 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 4: I had to go back and run through the seed 363 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 4: of events. Let's start, by the way, with that first quarter. 364 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 4: Russell Wilson put up all of these yards, and James 365 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 4: Hudson the third actively working against this team. You know 366 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 4: they're already without Andrew Thomas frustration in. 367 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 8: New York and talking to people there. 368 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 4: He's got a foot injury that goes back all the 369 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: way to week six with Cincinnati. 370 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 8: They expect him to be ready to go for a 371 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 8: second week in a row. He's not. 372 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 4: They go to James Hudson the third on that first 373 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 4: drive walking you through this. He had he onces on 374 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 4: a sixty seven yard kick return, four penalties and six snaps, 375 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 4: two unnecessary roughness, two fall starts, and then Gno gets 376 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: him on the board with a thirty eight yard field goal. 377 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: We're now seeing, you know, last week against the Commanders. 378 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 8: I was at that game. 379 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 4: You seem elite neighbors and Dayball going after it. Now 380 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 4: it's it's day Ball versus Hudson. He looks like he's benched. 381 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 4: He later comes back in the game. Then we got 382 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 4: the second quarter. Giants got five plays, seventy yard touchdown. 383 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 4: It's now Giants up thirteen to three. Cowboys fans are 384 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: losing their minds because they're like, wait a minute, we 385 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 4: saw them hold their own against the Eagles. Dallas response, 386 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 4: they cut that lead to three. Third quarter, Dallas fifty 387 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: three yard drive stalls. It's a field goal, and then 388 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 4: the team's trade fourth down stops after. And then here's 389 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 4: where the game gets drunk. We're talking fourth quarter. Scatibo 390 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 4: with the one yard touchdown, Sanders for the Cowboys four 391 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 4: yard touchdown. Wilton comes back. He's now got a thirty 392 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 4: two yard touchdown. Pickens with the six yard touchdown, is 393 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 4: first with the team. Neighbors, then responds with the forty 394 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: eight yard touchdown, and now we're up against the chains. 395 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 8: We think malite neighbors. I mean that catch. We're in 396 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 8: the tunnel to give you context over. 397 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: The game is over. 398 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 8: The game is over. 399 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 4: Let me show you what my notes are looking like 400 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 4: at this point. I mean, I'm going through my notes. 401 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 4: I'm writing up multiple questions I've got, you know, we've 402 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 4: got to make requests for our one on ones on 403 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 4: the field. I'm like, I want to go to Scatibo. 404 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,239 Speaker 4: I want to go to Javonte Williams. Wait a minute, now, 405 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 4: I want Aubrey. The game is changing so much. We're 406 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 4: standing there in the tunnel. We see that in elite 407 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 4: neighbors catch like it's over. Then they're like, nah, run 408 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 4: the clock out. As long as we just get Aubrey 409 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 4: to the star, We've got this. 410 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 8: This guy kicked sixty four. 411 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 4: Yard field goal through the upright, looks like he's got 412 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 4: about seven more to go, and he's game. In the postgame, 413 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 4: I told him, what's your range of depth? He said 414 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 4: seventy one. The guys as cool as a cucumber. You know, 415 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 4: Jason Garrett used to always say in Dallas, you never 416 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: get too high, you never get too low. That is 417 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 4: literally Brandon Aubrey. I mean, he had two field goals. 418 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 8: In the game. 419 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 4: He had the sixty four yard kick, he had that 420 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 4: the Donovan Wilson kick perfect, I mean interception perfect one there. 421 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 4: Everyone's frustrated with the defense at this point, and then 422 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 4: the fact he then puts that one through the forty six. 423 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 8: It was awesome. Afterwards. 424 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 4: You've got Aubrey, You've got Dak Prescott kissing his helmet 425 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 4: as or kissing his head as we're doing. 426 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 8: A one on one. 427 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: And for people that aren't familiar with Brandon Aubrey, I 428 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 4: still think what is the most fascinating about this guy 429 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 4: is twenty seventeen, he's at Notre Dame. 430 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 8: He enters the MLS draft. He gets drafted by Toronto. 431 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 8: He's there for a year. 432 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes okay. Then he goes to another team. 433 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 4: He's like, ah, maybe MLS isn't working out for me. 434 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: He goes to software engineer, his college sweetheart. Then his 435 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: wife watching Red Zone on a Sunday, she says to 436 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 4: her husband. 437 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think you can do this. 438 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 4: He's like, I can think while he's still a software engineer. 439 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: He goes and gets Mississippi State's kicking coach. They start 440 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 4: working on some stuff. He goes to the USFL has 441 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: two nice years. Will McLay and the guy's like, ah, 442 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: we're going to bring him in. I'm at that training 443 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 4: camp in Oxnard. We've got guys kicking into our set. 444 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 4: They were awful. They bring in Brandon Aubrey and they 445 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: call him butter around here. Although I think Steelers fans 446 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: got mad at a book. He's a serial kicker. I mean, 447 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 4: the guy is like, he moves differently his personality even 448 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 4: after the game. After all you've done to contribute to 449 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 4: the success, and that win just flat. And so that's 450 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 4: what they love about him, and I think a lot 451 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 4: of fans, as I saw on Twitter, I can't believe 452 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 4: Schottenheimer is running this one out and putting it in 453 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 4: the hands of the kicker. Well, then you're not familiar 454 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 4: with Aubrey's game. That's how much they love and appreciate him. 455 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 4: And I wouldn't be surprised if he gets paid soon. 456 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 5: Probably should probably worth it. His wife saying to him, 457 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 5: you know what you could do? This kind of reminds 458 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 5: me of the time when Max said to me, my 459 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 5: twelve year old son, what sport do you think I 460 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 5: should be professional in? And I was like, well, let's 461 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 5: have this conversation. I'm sure, he said to his wife. 462 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean, but it has been a 463 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 5: pretty cool story. He has been an unbelievable weapon for 464 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys. By the way, very cool moment for 465 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer getting his first win as an NFL head coach. 466 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: Here's Jane, what I want to ask you. 467 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: And you obviously know this team. 468 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 5: Better than anyone, and you know, Mike McCarthy did some 469 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 5: very good things for the Dallas Cowboys, won a lot 470 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 5: of games last year, wasn't so good previous years were very, 471 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 5: very good. This seems like at its outset to be 472 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 5: a coaching hire that at least has somewhat energized this team. 473 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: Okay, well you agree with. 474 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 4: That, yes, but let me also remind people when they 475 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 4: hired Mike McCarthy. Remember they made that decision to move 476 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: on from Jason Garrett so late in the game. I 477 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: will remember covering that he's walking around the building with 478 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 4: I'm told a binder, you know underneath his arm doing 479 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 4: things the right way. 480 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 8: Is Jason Garrett. 481 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: They not fire him for like a week. 482 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 8: It was a they're doing exit interviews. So then they 483 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 8: bring in uh former Cincinnati coach. 484 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm I'm drawing Marvin Lewis, Marvin Lewis, and. 485 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 4: They bring in uh Rivera and then Mi McCarthy over 486 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: a boozy dinner where Jerry Jones. 487 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 8: Jujor is like dad, we found tired too. 488 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 4: They bring him in and COVID hits. And now you're 489 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 4: asking a guy which Tom respects you. He you know, 490 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 4: a older dog, respectfully learning new tricks during his downtime. 491 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: You're asking to implement a new offense and a very 492 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: exotic defense with Mike Nolan. 493 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 8: Remember it was like so exotic. We joked on an 494 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 8: island that we don't have him map to. 495 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 4: You're implementing that over over zoom and it wasn't translating, 496 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 4: and so that was that was hard. You often brought 497 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 4: in a lot of free agents. Dallas never used to 498 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 4: bring in a ton of free agents. You're bringing a 499 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 4: guys like Everson Griffin and Alden Smith and it wasn't 500 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 4: messing meshing with the locker room. So I want to 501 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 4: at least timper some of the Mike McCarthy criticism there. 502 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 4: And then last year you bring him in and he's 503 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 4: frustrated because all of them are on expiring contracts and 504 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: you brought in Mike Zimber on a one year deal 505 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 4: and so it wasn't set up to succeed. And I 506 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 4: think Jerry, even though people get frustrated with them, how 507 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 4: to go look in the mirror and say, how can 508 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: I do things differently? And I don't care what anyone says. 509 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 4: Brian Schottenheimer was not on their radar. But Brian Schottenheimer 510 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: absolutely wanted to call plays no matter where he went. 511 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 8: He did not call plays on the sidelines with Mike. 512 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 4: McCarthy, and he was going in there to interview for 513 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 4: the authensive coordinator position. And I think the respect and 514 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 4: love that he had for his father, Marty Schottenheimer, sort 515 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 4: of resonated with Steven and Jerry and the fact that 516 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 4: he knew these guys and he had the vote of 517 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: confidence for these guys. 518 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 8: And so a lot of the guys didn't want to see. 519 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 4: A Mike McCarthy change, because when you bring in a 520 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 4: regime change, things are different. This was a regime change 521 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 4: with someone who had familiarity. 522 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 8: And what I've. 523 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 4: Noticed about Shoddy is his coaching style and his energy 524 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 4: very much reminds me of when I was covering college football. 525 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 4: It's that sort of love, it's that sort of investment, 526 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 4: and I think with this younger generation of football players, 527 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 4: you do have to approach them a little bit differently. 528 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 4: And so all that to say, I've said all season long, 529 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: I don't know how this is going to translate in terms. 530 00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 8: Of wins and losses. 531 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 4: He has the respect and the I think the determination 532 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 4: of this locker room to win for him and with him. 533 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 3: I as I'm watching this game yesterday, I mean, they 534 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: easily could have been owing to right obviously, but I'm 535 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: looking at it and I'm saying, and Jerry alluded to 536 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 3: this in this press convererence after they traded Michael Parsons, 537 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 3: They've got this draft capital. They could use it to 538 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 3: get a player in the near future. Like, is this 539 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 3: a team where you want to go out as we 540 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 3: get into the next couple of weeks and get closer 541 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 3: to the trade deadline and maybe give yourself something to 542 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: compete this year because there's talent here. Obviously if the 543 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 3: quarterbacks in his prime, he's in the middle of his 544 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 3: prime right now. 545 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: It's not like he's just getting into it. 546 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: I mean, at some point it's not just going to 547 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: be a nice story if they go eight to nine. 548 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 3: This is a team that they're the cowboys, Like, you 549 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 3: got to compete at some point, and you brought in 550 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: Kenny Clark not to be an impact player in two years. 551 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 3: You brought him to be an impact player right now, 552 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 3: so you're still thinking in the near term. That's kind 553 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 3: of the thought that I had yesterday after they won 554 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: that game and put themselves in the middle of an 555 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 3: NFC that there's no reason why this team can't be 556 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 3: a playoff team in the NFC. 557 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: Zero reason why. 558 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 4: Well, I do think they need to fix some elements 559 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 4: of this defense. I mean, Trayvon Diggs is coming back 560 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 4: from some of his conditioning, and Elite Neighbors was having 561 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 4: a day against him. 562 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: You can't like, how did you know what's coming in 563 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: both of those spots where they hit the boat wan 564 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: Dale and Neighbors over there, you can he can't happen well. 565 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: And then they were down to Ron Bland, who they 566 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 4: just signed to a four year extension. He entered his 567 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: foot in practice, so then they moved up their rookie 568 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 4: Ready Stewart, and so you know, the back end of 569 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 4: this defense needs some work. 570 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 8: You know. 571 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: The other thing that I you know, I think the 572 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 4: pass rush obviously. You know, look, a lot of people 573 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 4: want to make you know Micah Parsons, Yes, but there 574 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 4: was a heaviness in the locker room at times because 575 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 4: I think he's got a big personality, and as much 576 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 4: as I love big personalities, I think sometimes there's not 577 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: room for other personalities or energy, and so the locker 578 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: room does feel lighter. 579 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 580 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 8: And that's not disrespect to Micah. 581 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of Micah's but I think that 582 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 4: they needed to move on. But I thought it was 583 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 4: interesting during the game that Jadavian Clowney's getting a phone 584 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 4: call from Jerry and it's named your number, And then 585 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 4: when we find out what the number was, we're like, Okay, Jerry, 586 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 4: I've got bad three and a half with. 587 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 2: The possibility to go up this time. 588 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 5: But this time of year, there's not a lot of 589 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 5: veterans who actually make that money bearer. So, like I 590 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 5: thought that was I thought that was a pretty good deal. 591 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 8: But I think, too, Mike. 592 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 5: Jerry ruining. How about Jerry ruining our scoop? 593 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 4: Like I know, breaking news, Jerry's getting wild. But I 594 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 4: think to Mike's point, I think we kind of view 595 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 4: this as a soft rebuilding year if you're going to 596 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 4: move on from you know, Micah. But does sie Javonte 597 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 4: Williams having the last two games they had six rushing 598 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 4: touchdowns all of last season, two players Sako one Barkley, 599 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 4: Derek Henry and more rushing earth than that entire team, 600 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: And so does the Javonte Williams having some of the 601 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 4: success that he's had, which I love to see is 602 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 4: balancing back in an ACL PCL and MCL injury to 603 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 4: years ago with the Broncos and they and they, I 604 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 4: was told it takes two years to get that to yourself. 605 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 4: You look, Dak is playing more confidently and with more 606 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 4: accuracy than I've seen in the last couple of years. Uh, 607 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 4: ceedee Lamb if you know, I think having him and 608 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 4: George Pickens, I think is huge for the team. I 609 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 4: do think the Cooper Beb thing is something to watch. 610 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 4: That's unfortunate. You reported this morning it's going to be 611 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: you know, six to eight weeks they've brock Hoffman is 612 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 4: expected to step in there. But to your boat last year, right, 613 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 4: But to your point, Mike, when you look at this 614 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 4: potential jury to Jaden Daniels, the way that the Giants 615 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 4: are playing, and the way that the Cowboys hung in 616 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 4: there with the Eagles, why not why not try to 617 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 4: make some moves to better your team. I mean, it's 618 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 4: early in the season, and I think the one thing 619 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 4: that stands out to me is it almost felt like 620 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 4: there were times last year where they found ways to 621 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 4: lose the energy on the sidelines. 622 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 8: The body language was not there. 623 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 4: I mean, they've kind of been down and out in 624 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 4: some of these games against the Eagles, and even with 625 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 4: the Giants, it was really deflating at times. Yesterday in 626 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 4: that building and the way they stuck with it, I 627 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 4: think is encouraging. 628 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: Nobody loves anything more than a plucky underdog. As Jane said, 629 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: why not the Cowboys. We'll keep talking about him on 630 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: this show and on The Insiders. Jane, thank you very 631 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: much for being here, really really appreciation. Thank you, Ydsight. 632 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: As always, a lot more to come on Part two 633 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: of the podcast. We haven't even gotten to the Super 634 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: Bowl rematch between the Eagles and the Chiefs. We got 635 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: Mac Jones winning a game yesterday. We've got the Jets 636 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: Bills game to dig into, plus the latest on all 637 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: the various quarterback injury issues. So remember this is part one. 638 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 8: There's also a part two. 639 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 2: Go find Part. 640 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: Two and we can continue on all together. For Jane, 641 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: Mike and ian Im Tom We'll see you there.