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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Oh Man, Welcome to the Move the Sick podcast. But

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Speaker 1: we're taking it back. We're doing a little differently today.

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Speaker 1: I am hanging out with my god fellow NFL Network colleague,

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Speaker 1: Steve White, but the original member of the Cover Too

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Speaker 1: podcasts that he and I used to do way way

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Speaker 1: way back, and then you got Digging the Craze for that, Steve,

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Speaker 1: what's one on? Man? I was hanging buck like you said,

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Speaker 1: digging the craze back and we did the cover too.

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Speaker 1: It was on vinyl, but we were so hey, we

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Speaker 1: were so far ahead of the curve. Like now, I

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Speaker 1: can't wait for today because if we're kicking now like

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Speaker 1: we did, then people be like what what? What did

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Speaker 1: we live for this podcast game? Yeah? We we brought

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Speaker 1: the heat. It's so good to be back with you, man.

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Speaker 1: So so glad we're kicking off the season, you know

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Speaker 1: with the Hall of Fame game, just getting things going.

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Speaker 1: We got fans in the stands. Let's keep it that way,

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Speaker 1: people do. We gotta do so we keep having full

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Speaker 1: stadiums because it makes a difference. Yeah, it absolutely makes

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Speaker 1: a difference. So like I had to bring Steve on.

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Speaker 1: Steve was all in the mix of the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame and ducks and ceremonies, the Hall of Fame game. Uh,

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Speaker 1: he is well versed in everything NFL. And then he

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Speaker 1: has a recent partnership that he did with the Elent

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Speaker 1: of Falcons, so he is on it. And so we're

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Speaker 1: just gonna lay out. Man, we're just gonna talk. So

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Speaker 1: Steve getting right to it. Let's just talk about the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame weekend. Like, what's your biggest takeaway just

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Speaker 1: from the weekend? Well, I mean, look, the takeaway if

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Speaker 1: if look, if you're a true football fan, you have

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Speaker 1: to do the Hall of Families once in your life

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Speaker 1: because it's not just the game. It's not just the speeches,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the gold jacket. It is you know,

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Speaker 1: you have these this assemblage of of Hall of Famers

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Speaker 1: there's Andre Reid here, there's Dan Marino there. It's there's

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Speaker 1: because the fans of the backbone in the NFL, so

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Speaker 1: they get the up close and personal look. You know,

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Speaker 1: when I'm sit there doing interviews with Rod Woodson or

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Speaker 1: And you know, when and when it came to the speeches,

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Speaker 1: they were always good. But of course nobody said it

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Speaker 1: to that, when I when I when I came into

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Speaker 1: gold jacket, And it was the ultimate don't judge a

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Speaker 1: he is. And Steve I came away so impressed with

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Speaker 1: paying that. Green Bay was his only option. He'll tell

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Speaker 1: you now that. Yeah, you know, I signed Green Bay

429
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Speaker 1: because I really wanted to be there. No, he didn't.

430
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 1: He didn't want to be there. That was That was it,

431
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: Like he said, I'm this great dude and nobody wants me.

432
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: Was at this completely humbling experience. And then he gets

433
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: with Dom Caper's right, So now he surrounded in a

434
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: secondary or a defense that's got Claimed Matthews, that's got um. Yeah,

435
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: he's got Al Harris on the other side. He's got

436
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: this this great secondary coach and Joe Witt, who's a

437
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: developer of corners, right, developed Tremont Williams. So they get

438
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: wood to play inside outside. You know, Winston Moss told

439
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 1: me that the old you know, linebacker coach, he actually

440
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: had him playing outside linebacker techniques as well as safety,

441
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 1: and so he embraced it and it became so great.

442
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: And then he leaves Green Band goes back to Oakland

443
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 1: and he's still doing it the right way. And it's funny, Buck,

444
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: I've had conversations with Jalen Ramsey because you know, Jalen

445
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: Ramsey doesn't see a thing as Charles Woodson, and Jalen's

446
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: like a Dion is my guy, you know, the whole

447
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,959
Speaker 1: Florida State thing. He's like. But the player I always

448
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 1: wanted to be like is Charles Woodson, playing outside, inside,

449
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: play and run support, you know, following guys all over

450
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: the field and over to some of the conversations and

451
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 1: thinks each other said, because Wood's like, Jalen Ramsey is

452
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: the best in the NFL, you know, and he's like

453
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: because he plays like me, and so that fun And

454
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: see in that respect, you know, we're seeing we're seeing

455
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: kind of the passing of the torch right there as well.

456
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: And so it's funny, right. So man, I remember this

457
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: because when Jalen Ramsey was coming up, I made that comparison,

458
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 1: and I remember getting shouted down about that comparison Jalen

459
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: Ramsey and Charles Woodson. But part of the reason why

460
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,640
Speaker 1: I made that comparison is in knowing both of those

461
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: guys very well. I knew Jalen Ramsey when he was

462
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: a high school player, and I knew people that were

463
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: really close to him, and I knew about his i

464
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Q and fsting this and then my experience in playing

465
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: with Charles and watching Charles mature into what he became,

466
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's from Jalen Ramsey's going to

467
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: be like he's built to play that, because there's some guys,

468
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: the more responsibility you give them, the better they play.

469
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: And I felt like Charles Woodson is like that. And

470
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,880
Speaker 1: obviously when you saw Jalen Ramsey, I believed his game

471
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Speaker 1: last year went up a notch because Brandon Stey Brandon

472
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: Daily put more on his plate. He didn't just star

473
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: typically say oh, you're just a lockdown corner. He said, no,

474
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: you're a top level defender. I'm gonna put all of

475
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: this on your plate and I allow you to be

476
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: the leader that you want to be. And that's what happened.

477
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: And I think Charles Woodson certainly was one of the

478
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Speaker 1: first to be able to do all those things. Finally,

479
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: Payton Manning payment. Everyone's gonna talk about the speech and

480
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,719
Speaker 1: those things. What do you think about Payton Manning over

481
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Speaker 1: the course of the weekend. Well, look, I mean, first off,

482
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Speaker 1: the two was like the most serious person there, Like

483
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: he seemed to be stressing over this this whole weekend.

484
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: I did a couple of events and I'm like, dude,

485
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 1: Lightning up man everybody's you know, everybody. He understands the expectation,

486
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: like you know, everybody was there to see him, which

487
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: is why he's like, I don't want to go last.

488
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to take the focus off of these

489
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Speaker 1: other great players like Calvin you know, like Charles Woodson,

490
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: like Tom Flores. You know, I want to but you know, look,

491
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Speaker 1: it was just interesting because so many people, like the

492
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: first night of course, it was Steelers Nation. Man, it

493
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: was for Steelers going in. And the second night it

494
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: was Alan Fannica. So all the Steelers fans first night

495
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: were like, oh man, there's not gonna be anyone here tomorrow.

496
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: All the Steelers Nation were two hours away, We're leaving.

497
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, they're gonna show it for Peyton.

498
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 1: And that stadium was that stadium was like half Cold

499
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,239
Speaker 1: Jersey's and then like a quarter Broncos jerseys. And then

500
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, a TMZ flash fest of

501
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: superstars you know there to come to Peyton, you know, uh,

502
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, do his speech. But you know, he really,

503
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, the great thing about Peyton's he really embraces

504
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: the history of the game, as we know sort of

505
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: watch him interact with people like Robert Brazil, you know,

506
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: an old time linebacker from the Houston Oilers, and Darryl

507
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: Green and then his current you know for his old teammate,

508
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: and Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne was there, and Von Miller

509
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: and and just to see him kind of ping pong

510
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: from generation a generation, a decade. His dad, Archie was there,

511
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Speaker 1: in his family was there. But you saw how much

512
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: you know this, you know, even though we knew he

513
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: was going in, it was automatic. He understands now that

514
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: he is in the company of the grandest players, and

515
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: by no means is he at the top of the

516
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: shelf in his mind, Like you know, a while, there's

517
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: Damn l oh Well, you know there there's Johnny Jim Kelly,

518
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, Lawrence Taylor. Like you can just see the

519
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of humility. I'm like, oh my god, man, I'm

520
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: with these guys and and it's and it's a reality.

521
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: It's it's just a sobriety check for so many people

522
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: who go there, who understand what they meant to the game.

523
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: But when you're there with Anthony Monios and some of

524
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: these other people, you're like, oh man, even in this,

525
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: even in this car, even in this you know, it's

526
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: a great team of three fifty. I'm still staying on

527
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: the beach. You know what what I love about, like

528
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame with all of these stories and

529
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 1: in every thing, it does take us back to that

530
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: that moment and then Paid Manning and then seeing Paid

531
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Manning share moments and these things with Tom Brady because

532
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: we know Tom is going to be pencil in there.

533
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: I just think he gets I mean, I think, I think, maybe,

534
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: I think, I want. I want to how long his

535
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: debate will take, like whoever his presenter when they're behind

536
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: the scenes and going throughout. I mean, what do you

537
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: where do you start? You don't see anything? You show?

538
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: You show seven, don't and maybe eight. He's like, all right, um,

539
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: I have Tom Brady. All right, we're good. We need

540
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: to do you need to run down all of his

541
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: account I think it's great. Um, you know that. Let's

542
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: keep it on the field now. That game, to me

543
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: was really interesting because Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy, the Pittsburgh Steelers,

544
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, you talk about the brands um out of

545
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: the game. One of the big things that stood out

546
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: to me, Dwayne Haskins with the Pittsburgh still is and

547
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to jump onto Dwayne Haskins thing. But look, Steve,

548
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: it's not lost to me when I'm watching when I'm

549
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: watching the game and I'm looking at Duwayne and I'm

550
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: watching him perform, and I'm like, that's a good throw.

551
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: Oh man, that ball is coming out. Oh wow. He

552
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: looks and I'm looking at him and I know it's

553
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: a preseason game, is the first one, but I'm like, oh,

554
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: that's Dwayne Haskins that we thought we were going to

555
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: see in the National Football League. So what are your

556
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 1: thoughts on Dwayne Haskins and the connection that he might

557
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: have with Mike Tomals. Yeah. I I spoke some people

558
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: about him and they are really even you know, Kevin Colberg,

559
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: the general manager, and they look, Mason Rudolph is not

560
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: guaranteed that number two spot. I mean, they they want

561
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: to see they want to see Haskins press him because

562
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: they know what they have in Mason Rudolph. They want

563
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: to see Haskins press him. And so far that looks

564
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: like the case. The other thing with Hashkins right now is,

565
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's the maturity thing. So maybe he is

566
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: in the right environment, you know, And he said Ben

567
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: that Ben has really been helping him. Remember when they

568
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: drafted Nation. We all. Ben was like, it's not my

569
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: job to help him, even though he did. Um, you

570
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: know you haven't heard Ben say that about Hashkin so well.

571
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder why that is. I wonder, I

572
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: wonder if that's a game recognized game thing. I wonder

573
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: what I wonder what that is that leads some veterans

574
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: to mentor some guys but not necessarily other guys could

575
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: be whether they like him or not. That might that

576
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: might that might that might be too, but no, Like, look,

577
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: I would say this about the Pittsburgh Steelers, and I

578
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: think it's it's perfect that build, none within. I think

579
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: I've been around the league long enough to know what

580
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,239
Speaker 1: a Steeler is and you can tell it right away. Oh,

581
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: this guy is a perfect Steeler. So as much as

582
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: I can talk about Dwayne Haskins fitting in Nazia Harris,

583
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: it's like he's a real he looks real, he f

584
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: he fits the build, and i'mnna be honest calling belage

585
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: behind him. It looks like I wouldn't be surprised to

586
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: see them completely flip their running back room in terms

587
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: of like, hey, let's go back to the model that

588
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: we know physical runners that can do things in and

589
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: out the backfield. I was really impressed with the Steelers

590
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: in that brief time. And I know it's just preseason

591
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: game number one, but Haskins and those other guys really

592
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: looked like they could be contributors. Well, Bucky, no one

593
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: said it better than Troy Polamalo. He said, the greatest compliment.

594
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: You know, the only people you have as a Pittsburgh Steeler,

595
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: the only people you have to prove yourself too, are

596
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: the people who previously wore the black and gold. He says,

597
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: you know you really belong when if someone like a

598
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Mel Blunt or Donnie Shell or someone says you could

599
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: have played with us. Yeah, that's that's the threat. That

600
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: is the Steelers fabric. That was a great line. But

601
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: I tell you else. To me, just two things that

602
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: jumped out in that game. Michael Barson's is real. The

603
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: linebacker for the Cowboys is a real one. And look,

604
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: dan Quinn's like, I don't care, I'm gonna show you.

605
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: He played him inside and he played him off the edge.

606
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: He sent him but he was always around the ball.

607
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: And the other thing that stood out mostly about that game,

608
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: it's Dak better not get hurt. What's behind him? Boom

609
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: yeah like And I can tell you haven't been around

610
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: the team. Have been up to a few practices at

611
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the OX and ard Dak Prescott looks great when he's starting.

612
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: He's still shaking off the Russ. They have the weapons

613
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: on the outside that are fantastic. Zeke is in excellent shape.

614
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: They have everything that you need to have an elite

615
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: offense offense, but it's all about the quarterback being there.

616
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I would say this about the defense, and it's very apparent.

617
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn to me has raised the energy level and

618
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the standard of expectations in that organization. As a coach,

619
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: he his presence, he's now for presence. His energy and

620
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: nectivity in communication really really works. I know this because

621
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: you mentioned this guy's name earlier, and I know you

622
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: have been a big advocate and endorser of Joe Witt

623
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: Junior for a long time. I can tell you why

624
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: when I've been I've been to four practices up there.

625
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: His ability with our Harris to really teach and communicate

626
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: and to teach their guys how to communicate will make

627
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: the Cowboys defense better. They are a team that is

628
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: more connected. I don't know what it translates into in

629
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: terms of how the defense will play in the end.

630
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: But this defense is head shoulders better than the unit

631
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: that I saw last year, and a lot of that

632
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: is dan Quinn and Joe Witt Jr. Being able to

633
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: set clear expectations for their guys and those guys falling through.

634
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: And the final thing I'm gonna say about dan Quinn,

635
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: what happened to dan Quinn in Atlanta, to me is

636
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: the result of the way the Super Bowl fell apart

637
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: at the end, and talking to two former Falcons right

638
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: after that year in the off season, they both told me, Man,

639
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: he's a great coach, but it's gonna be so hard

640
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: for us to trust him. We're right there, the game

641
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: is ours and in a situation where we needed the

642
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: coach to step in and finish it, he didn't. It's

643
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: hard for us to do that, they said it, and

644
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: look I was like, yeah, that's hard. Maybe you can

645
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: get through it. But that was really then foreshadowing. I

646
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: don't know if we ever will be able to trust

647
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: him like that, and you know how fragile that trust is.

648
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: But being away from that environment, dan Quinn absolutely has

649
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: a secrets auced to be a very successful head coach

650
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: whenever he gets that opportunity. And I wouldn't be surprised

651
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: to see Cowboys players gravitate towards him more than even

652
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, because his presence is felt. It's a very

653
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 1: very real thing when he is around doing his deal

654
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. It's interesting you said that because Buck,

655
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: you and I both know this because we were real

656
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: tight with the Packers when McCarthy was coaching them. Let's

657
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: players gravitated also towards Winston Moss was the linebackers coach,

658
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: maybe more than McCarthy, you know, because Mike's had a

659
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: great public speaker, he's a really good schemer and this

660
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: and that. Winston Moss is a guy who often delivered

661
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: the pregame talks and things like that, you know, and

662
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: Don Caper's was it was you know, he was a DC.

663
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: You know, Don wasn't that dude? Also, So that that's

664
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: a great point about Dan Quinn and you know, Al Harris,

665
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: I saw him there. I was like, oh, I didn't

666
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: realize that. I was, yeah, yeah, So yeah, those corners,

667
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: those corners got two real ones. I mean, coach that secondary.

668
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: They got guys who who know what they're doing. You

669
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: see the length now like Nation, right, the guy that

670
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: got Moregan State really solid debut and when you watched him,

671
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: it's funny because I feel like Al Harris without being

672
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: there intimately, Al Harris is a much better coach with

673
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: Joe Witt doing his deal in the secondary. I was

674
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: there before, and Al Harris is a pro Bowl cornerback.

675
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: He knows how to play the position. Some would say

676
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: that when Charles Wilson came to Green Bay, al Harris

677
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: did the dirty work early into Charles Wilson got his

678
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: confidence back and then was able to kind of become

679
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: the guy that he played that he that he ended

680
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: up being with the Packers. And so Al Harris this

681
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: Joe with the teaching of the young secondary, because the

682
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: secondary is really moving around, making plays, getting their hands

683
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: on a ton of balls. Michael Parsons is a real dude.

684
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be interesting to watch this team because

685
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: then you have Michael Parsons, Jalen Smith, Laydon Van Dersh,

686
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: you have Keyan O'Neil, Jabril Cox is in there. They're

687
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of different things, trying to figure out

688
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 1: who is on the field. And what it has done

689
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: when they put Michael Parsons on the thing. It up

690
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: to Andy when it came to the competitible room and

691
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn in putting Layton vnsh back and what he

692
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: says his more natural position week side in you're seeing

693
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: the athleticism come. I'm not saying that Jaden Smith is

694
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: going to be the odd man out, but he's going

695
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 1: to have to really really step his game up because

696
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: Michael Parson LVU they're gonna make a ton of plays

697
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: this year well, and Parson's gotta play in sub packages.

698
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: So we look the Dallas defense and canna do any

699
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: because they can't stop the run last year. Last year

700
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: they were terrible against the run. So that that's what

701
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: they have to do first. Because you're in a division

702
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: where you gonna run the ball and Ryan Fitzpatrick ain't

703
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: throwing the ball thirty five times a game. Danny Jones

704
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: better not be throwing the ball thirty five times a

705
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: game because if he is, the Giants aren't gonna be

706
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: any good. And I think they're a sleeper team. I

707
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be really good this year. Um, you

708
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: know in the Eagles, you know you know, I don't

709
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: know what the Eagles got, but because Dallas has got

710
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: to stop the run if they want to play ball

711
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: in the NFC. Since we're here and you brought it

712
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: up because you took me to the Giants, so I

713
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: have to ask you this, what do you make of

714
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's going on with Joe Judge and

715
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: all the stuff that's kind of coming out of there,

716
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: Because we've all kind of been around the league long

717
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: enough to know about the disc linarian, hard nosed, tough

718
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: coach and all of that other stuff. But on the outside,

719
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: people criticized Joe Judge for his tactics, but when you

720
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: hear from the players on the inside, it seems like

721
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: they're bought in. What have you heard about what you

722
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: just said To the latter point, I mean, it looks

723
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: like he's making a run laps at some high school

724
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: business he's holding accountable. You know. Look, a couple of

725
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: coaches do that. Arthur Smith does out with the Falcons.

726
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: You know, it's a preseason thing. When they get in

727
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: the regular season, that's he may pull that every now

728
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 1: and then. You can't go to that back of tricks

729
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 1: too often. But they say he may seem like he's

730
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: that hard dude to say, but he's not that hard

731
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: to He's an accountable dude who is a who is

732
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: very much that the players are all about. You don't

733
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: hear the players come out and take a swipes at

734
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: except for Calvin Benjamin who I mean it was it

735
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: was overweight, like who didn't take accountability for They wanted

736
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: him to wait to fifty one. He showed up at two.

737
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah he's lucky, he got another day. He's lucky day.

738
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: But it is. But I mean, everything I've heard them

739
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: inside the building is that they love. I mean, this

740
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: is you know, I did something with se Kwon Barket

741
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: last year's like no Joe Judges as the guy who's

742
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: gonna get us there. So and you know they they've

743
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: got the names blank in their d c is is great.

744
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: The guy who's down in Miami who came to the

745
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: judge right, I'm killing myself right now that I can't

746
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: I can't think of think of his name. But again,

747
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 1: they're a team because that accountability. That other than honestly

748
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: the injuries and Daniel Jones, Patrick Cram, but other than

749
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, the giveaways. Last year, they didn't beat themselves

750
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: at dumb penalties, and so if they clean those things

751
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: up and they take advantage some of the pieces that

752
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: they have this year, there'll be a player in the

753
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: NFC East. No team, I mean Dallas on paper looks

754
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: like they're gonna run away from the NFC EAS but

755
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: that never happens. I mean those teams, it always comes

756
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: down to the final two weeks in the NFC East

757
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: um and I think the Giants who have an opportunity

758
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: to be there. All right, last thing before I let

759
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: you go, I gotta do this because I think this

760
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: story doesn't have a direct parallel, but it's something that

761
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: I think your perspective will help you maybe answer my

762
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: question on Deshaun Watson in the Houston Texans. I know

763
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: you're down in Atlanta when everything kind of fell apart

764
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: from Michael Vick and all of that other stuff where

765
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: you see like a star and a fall from grace

766
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: and those things. I'm not putting the allegations against Deshaun

767
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: Watson on the same level, but you talk about a

768
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: guy who was on the verge of being one of

769
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: the faces of the league who now appears to be

770
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: on the verge of being jettison from a franchise that

771
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: he said he didn't want to be a part of it.

772
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: Now it appears that they don't want to have any

773
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: part of him. What is your take on the Deshaun

774
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: Watson situation in Houston? How do we think this is

775
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: going to play out in the end. Yeah, you know,

776
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: having done the Michael Vick thing, Michael Vick didn't want

777
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: to leave Atlanta. I mean, he was in Michael Vick

778
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: was the dude in this city. I mean. So that's

779
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: why when he got in trouble for fighting dogs, it

780
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: was so divisive. Um with the Shawan he didn't want

781
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: to be here. We have seen the overall leadership of

782
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: that organization go wayward. You know. They they had a

783
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: problem finding the head coach, so they end up hiring

784
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: one of the most wonderful men you can find in

785
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: David Culley. What are they going to support him? Um,

786
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: So when it comes to the Shawn Watson, they here's

787
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: the thing. The messaging first off is really really hard. Well,

788
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: everything is day to day with the Shawn. You know,

789
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: we're not gonna practice him here, We're not gonna do this.

790
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: Just come and make a point like look until everything

791
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: gets worked out, We're not going to have the Shawn

792
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: around the building because all of this stuff. It looks

793
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: worse every time they address because the Shawn is not

794
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: going to play it down for the Texas this year, right.

795
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: They clearly do not want him to take the field

796
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: because of what has happened off the field. He does

797
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: not want to be anywhere around there. You know, he's

798
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: fine with the teammates. When I was down there the

799
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: way engage with the teammates and position coaches, you know,

800
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: it looked like nothing, nothing that ever happened. But it

801
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: is just so I guess, toxic because we're again for

802
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: me saying I'm not there every day, so from the

803
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: outside people I speak with and just my my one

804
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: or two days of observation, it's toxic to have this

805
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 1: hanging over an organization that is so influx because Bucket,

806
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: they turned over fifty new players, right, the talent on

807
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: that team. If they win this year, it'll be the

808
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: most amazing coaching job ever. And I'm not trying to

809
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: degrade any of those players who who are professional football players,

810
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: but just the assemblage of the way they went about

811
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: assembling this talent, you know, not having a first or

812
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 1: second round draft pick because of some of the trade

813
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: to Laramie Tunseil's trade and not being able to kind

814
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: of build around the draft, and you're building around Tye Taylor.

815
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: You know, this is kind of a survival year for

816
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: their franchise. They can get their footing and see what

817
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: they're gonna do. So Deshaun Watson, I don't think he

818
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: plays it down at some point. I think he gets traded.

819
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: There are not going to get the haul of three

820
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: or four first round traffics that they want. Um where

821
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't know, because at the other ends

822
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: a tough sell for an owner to telling a fan base, Hey,

823
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm bringing in a guy who's got these twenty two

824
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: civil allegations, an NFL investigation, and a Houston police investigation

825
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: against him for sexual misconduct if you will, um. And

826
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: so it's a really, really a peculiar situation. But both

827
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: sides need to get to make a break as soon

828
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: as possible to just alleviate the weight that's on the

829
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: shoulders of their franchise because it's it's not good. And

830
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: again every time they speak about it, it looks worse

831
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: for everybody. It's the weirdest situation that I've ever seen, ever, ever, ever,

832
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: because here, here's the thing, like the Mike Vic stuff

833
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: happens like it it goes away right away in terms

834
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: of he disappears or whatever. But now, because Deshaun Watson

835
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: is not on the commissioner's list, he's ready and available

836
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: to practice. You have a guy who wants to show

837
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: up because he doesn't want to give up the money

838
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: for the fines, but doesn't really want to be there.

839
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: You have a franchise that like nae that he's here,

840
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: What do you do with him? Because you're on the

841
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: books for twenty plus million dollars that you owe him.

842
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: And so at some point, though Steve, this has to

843
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: reach a resolution because I can't imagine going into the

844
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: regular season when a guy who played at an m

845
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: VP level last year is gonna be your QB three

846
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: holding a headset making twenty million plus dollars. It doesn't

847
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: make You can't do it, You can't have it. He

848
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: can't be in the building. He cannot be in the building.

849
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: And and and so it's crazy because cam mcnandow's guys

850
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: just had m they just have to be okay, like, hey,

851
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,479
Speaker 1: we're just gonna pay the money and we're just gonna

852
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: eat it until it we can move off from him,

853
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: or we just need to move off from him and

854
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: chock it up. And the bad thing about it for

855
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: the Texas, they would never get value in kind. They

856
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: would never get their value on finding a quarterback that

857
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: they drafted that played like a top five player at

858
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: the position in his prime, I mean not even really

859
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: in his prime in the beginning stages of his prime

860
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna move on from. You would never find you

861
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: won't find a quarterback that will be at that level

862
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: at the same time. And so this is a loss

863
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: on that they just have to chalk it up. If

864
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: they can move on from, they just have to chalk

865
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: it up. And no, they would never get a player

866
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: to match that back, and they have to figure out

867
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: how to move forward and not have this be a

868
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: black stain on the organization. Well, I don't know how

869
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: they they're gonna be able to move forward to have

870
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: it not be a black team, because look, if you

871
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: trade him, you're gonna take salary cap hits. That's gonna

872
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna really handicap you for the next couple of

873
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: years in terms of how you can do this, so

874
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: they have to draft well, but Buck, you can't establish

875
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: a culture for a new head coach with fifty new

876
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 1: players and then the best one of those players not

877
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: wanting to be there, and you can't decide, Look, well

878
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: he took that practice field the first year. I'm like,

879
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: what are they doing? Because there's no way if he's

880
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: gonna practice, he's got to be your QB one. So

881
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: that was my thing, Steve. So my thing was this, Deean,

882
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get your kids you needed to. You're

883
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: not gonna show up the practice so you avoid defines

884
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: and then not practicing play. I was underimpressive. I'm David

885
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: color a man Tyrode. I know you've been practicing with

886
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: the ones Deshan Wat since here and right now he's

887
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: not on the list. He's going with the number one

888
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: offense and de Sean, you're playing, and we're going to

889
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: go about this as if we're playing, because you're in

890
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: the building, because right now, no one benefits and as

891
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: you talk about building and establishing the culture, you can't

892
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: do any of it with him in the building doing

893
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: what it is, and so there's no credibility that you

894
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: can establish as a coach and as a general manager.

895
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: When you have this playing out like that, the players

896
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 1: in the locker room would respect Nick and David Moore

897
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: if they just cut bait with de Shaun right away

898
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: and said, we can't stand for this. This is how

899
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: we're going forward, and we don't care or when he comes,

900
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: he plays and we'll deal with it out there. But

901
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: what they're doing now, they'll never go forward. They never

902
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: have anything that can be positive like And just to

903
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: raise conversation back full circle, I remember with Michael Vick,

904
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: Arthur Blank came out and said, look, we've spoken to

905
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the league and it is best for when we start

906
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: practice that Michael Vick not be here. We're just gonna

907
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna, you know, basically put him on our own

908
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: commissioner example lists and pay him to stay away. Just

909
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: so that's that you address the questions on day one,

910
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: and that's that you let everybody else who's out there

911
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: dying in that degree heat doing everything they're doing to

912
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: try to you know, whether if they're playing for the Texans,

913
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: they're playing the ear in their next contract, or to

914
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: put good film on tape because they're in a one

915
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: year deal. You let them use their motivations to come

916
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: together as a unit. And I'm sure motion of those guys,

917
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, players are doing that, and the coaches are

918
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: out there coaching their hearts out. I mean they're doing

919
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: every thing. But this will always be there. I mean,

920
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: mark Ingram or Philip Lynch could have a great game one.

921
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: The conversation is going to be about the Shawn Watson. Yeah,

922
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: Tye Taylor. You know, Tye Taylor only complete a certain

923
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: number of passes. The conversation gonna be about the Shawn Watson.

924
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: So you have to figure out a way. Make the

925
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: decision to clear that. Make the decision. Just make a decision,

926
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: trade him for whatever you can get for whatever you

927
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: whatever you're gonna trade them and get him out to

928
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: building or reset and say here's what we're going for

929
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: it until we get more information from the National Football

930
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: League to Shaun Watson is I'll starting quarterback. We're fully

931
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: going to support him doing all of this other stuff.

932
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: We don't look, we don't support the actions and those things,

933
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: but we're gonna support the player or whatever that is.

934
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Whatever the Pittsburgh still has did with Ben Roethlisberger and

935
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: similar things. Whatever that is but they have to make

936
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: a decision, and the fact that this is taking this

937
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: long to get to this, to me, it's just another

938
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: indictment on the poor management skills of the people at

939
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: the time, the decision makers. Yeah, I mean look then,

940
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: look they didn't ask. They didn't ask for these allegations,

941
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't They didn't see that coming. But

942
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: the way it's been handled, and you know the fact

943
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 1: that the Shawn wanted out even before then, it's just, yeah,

944
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: this is there. There's no way you can look and

945
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: not say this. There's anything positive ruining here alright, other

946
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: than they got a great human beings a head coach

947
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: and David Culley. I just really hope that he gets supported.

948
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: It's unfair because unfortunately, man, he waits forever to get

949
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: his opportunity to be the head coach and he absolutely

950
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: gets hosed and hammered right away because this is a

951
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: tough situation and he will never get the respect that

952
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: maybe he deserves as a head coach because he's in

953
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: such a hole. He has like one foot in the

954
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: grave of another foot on the banana pield, like he's

955
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: been set up to fil right out the gate. And

956
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: so it's unfortunate, UM, and I don't care what people say,

957
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: like walking away with a bag of cash does not

958
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: give you your reputation back as one of the best coaches.

959
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: We've seen it happen to others, and so we'll see

960
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: you bounces, all right, Steve Man. Look, this was great, Um,

961
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: bringing cover to back reincordnated. I felt like Peaches and

962
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Nerb like we were bringing bringing it, We're bringing it,

963
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: We're bringing it all the way back then. It was

964
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: so great. Haven't you kind of sit in dropped the

965
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: knowledge in those things? And I think even when we

966
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: get DJ back, we gotta bring you back in because

967
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: that knowledge is supreme. I gotta have it. I gotta

968
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: have it again. Thanks so much for joining the Moved

969
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: to six podcasts. Well, I appreciate your brother