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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. I am

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Speaker 2: right now luxuriating because I'm feel a little bit of

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Speaker 2: a drag. I don't know how many of you during

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Speaker 2: the course of the day you're super busy. Mike gave

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Speaker 2: a little pick me up, a little pep in your step.

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Speaker 2: just want a moment in the course to day. You

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Speaker 2: know what they say, Buck, Gratitude is the most powerful

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Speaker 2: of all emotions. You heard that I make so much

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Speaker 2: it makes sense, honestly, if you sit and think a

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Speaker 2: Yes there is rampant insanity, but odds are that there

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Speaker 2: are many, many things that all of us have tremendously

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Speaker 2: if you will as well. In the years ahead, we

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Speaker 2: I've got I don't know about you, Buck, but even

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Speaker 2: going to read a couple of representative samples. And this

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Speaker 2: that's from Philip. Appreciate that Bill writes in Clay. So

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Speaker 2: when are they going to hold parents of kids in Chicago,

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Speaker 2: responsibility for kids that are not yours. My kids are sixteen, thirteen,

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Speaker 2: I don't have any issue at all with holding parents responsible.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm also simultaneously the question that you raised is

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Speaker 3: It reminds me a little bit of the central argument

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Speaker 3: it turned into Obamacare's demand that you buy insurance or

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Speaker 3: Thanks to John Roberts, who's one of the worst choices

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Speaker 3: very long time anyway. Although I think it wasn't suitor A.

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Speaker 2: There was a long history of Republican Supreme Court appointees

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just terror stuff anyway, But regulating inactivity was

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Speaker 3: central to that whole thing. It's that you can't just

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Speaker 3: can you pass a law that says you have to

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Speaker 3: have to have a Bible in your home? Like what

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Speaker 3: other you know, activity can you regulate?

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Speaker 2: And to me.

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Speaker 3: This this starts to feel like failure to intervene becomes

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Speaker 3: we don't have any little kids running around here. But

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Speaker 3: If you've a child and this horrible case happened recent

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Speaker 2: One thing when you're saying lock it up when you're.

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Speaker 2: It, right, I mean, there's just enough to be able

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Speaker 3: And I start to feel like, you know, where is

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Speaker 3: difference I think between understanding that parents fail as people

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Speaker 3: prison for ten to fifteen years, right, I mean their

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Speaker 2: Too, you know.

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Speaker 3: I it's I'm this is a little bit like how

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Speaker 3: I feel about the death penalty, by the way, where

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Speaker 3: I can be persuaded either way depending on the argument.

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Speaker 2: In the moment.

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Speaker 3: I can see this. I see both sides of this one.

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Speaker 3: I just it makes me. It makes me uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: I I totally get it, because again, my my position

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Speaker 2: is I want parents more responsible for what their kids do.

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Speaker 2: I think Seinfeld episode it didn't Seinfeld end. I know,

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Speaker 2: this is like a far less serious thing.

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Speaker 3: But because they didn't, they fail to like do something,

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Speaker 3: I forget what, right didn't they go to jail? The

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Speaker 4: Hi, guys. I think that this is just a way

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Speaker 2: I get that argument, and we'll take some more of

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Speaker 3: But you start to get into these the what IF's

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Speaker 2: Travis bought Sexton show. We're discussing the parents being sentenced

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The parents are also response, what's the specific charge that

436
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Speaker 2: they have been found guilty of in voluntary manslaughs? In

437
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: voluntary manslaw, which is basically just a negligence standard. And again,

438
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: the kid was fifteen, so it's a minor child. I

439
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Speaker 2: don't think you could bring these charges if the child

440
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Speaker 2: had grown into adulthood at eighteen. I think the fact

441
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Speaker 2: that child's a minor. The dad bought the gun four

442
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Speaker 2: days before the school said he's talking about killing people,

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Speaker 2: and you knew he had bought him a gun. And

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Speaker 2: he says the gun wasn't locked up and he had

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Speaker 2: full access to it. That's what he testified. So I

446
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: think all of these facts do so many of these

447
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Speaker 2: cases are very fact determinate. You asked about the Marjorie

448
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 2: Stoneman cop hid for forty eight minutes outside while there's

449
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Speaker 2: a shooting that goes on inside. I'm sorry. I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of people hear that and say, yeah, that's unacceptable.

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Speaker 3: I think at different times in historically in the military,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know. I don't know what the law

453
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Speaker 3: would be would have been one hundred years ago for

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Speaker 3: this country, but you know there have been you could

455
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Speaker 3: be executed for cowardice in the military, for example. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 3: that was a known thing. That's that's existed certainly in

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Speaker 3: different militaries. In fact, the we'd use the term decimation.

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Speaker 3: It comes from ancient Roman decimatus, which was a process

459
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Speaker 3: by which usually for extreme cowardice, a legion would have

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Speaker 3: individuals I think they'd pull a stone. They basically draw straws,

461
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Speaker 3: but I think it was like a stone out of

462
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Speaker 3: a pouch, and then people would have to beat in

463
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Speaker 3: some cases to death one out of ten members of

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Speaker 3: their own cohort or their own military unit for cowardice.

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Speaker 3: So that's where when we talk about decimation comes from

466
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Speaker 3: ancient Roman process of policing cowardice or extreme disgrace on

467
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Speaker 3: the battlefield. Obviously, then with a stoneman Douglas cop, I mean,

468
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Speaker 3: he's a disgrace, but he didn't end up going to prison,

469
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Speaker 3: as we understand, he was not. I think I found guilty.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's one of these things where this is at some

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Speaker 3: point I think the standard just becomes it almost turns

473
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Speaker 3: into a reasonable man standard of that these parents of

474
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Speaker 3: this this school shooter were so negligent and so so

475
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Speaker 3: reckless that you know, maybe maybe this doesn't turn into

476
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Speaker 3: a precedent problem in the future in terms of prosecutions,

477
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Speaker 3: just because this one is so clear. But that's usually

478
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Speaker 3: what people say when they're prosecuting the one case that's

479
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Speaker 3: going to be the exception, you know.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's like a bar.

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Speaker 3: If a bartender serve someone who's visibly drunk, I know

482
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Speaker 3: they can be civilly held liable for that. Can they

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Speaker 3: be criminally held Like if you keep serving somebody who's

484
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Speaker 3: completely obliterated and they get in a car and they

485
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Speaker 3: kill five people, are you able to be criminally held live?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't. I bet it's happened somewhere

487
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Speaker 2: because it's a form of extreme negligence. To your point,

488
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Speaker 2: certainly the bar can be sued and often is if

489
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Speaker 2: they continue to serve someone who appears to be visibly drunk,

490
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Speaker 2: and then they get into a car and then they

491
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Speaker 2: commit some sort of vehicular hole. Lets let's bring some voices.

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Speaker 2: Let's bring some voices into this one.

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Speaker 3: Steve was a high school principal in Missouri, wants to

494
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Speaker 3: weigh in, Steve, what have you got for us?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm calling in regards to what the decision was

496
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Speaker 5: in court, But nobody seems to be asking the question

497
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Speaker 5: as to what was the responsibility of the school. Why

498
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Speaker 5: wasn't their bags searched at the beginning of the day

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Speaker 5: number one? And then when they met with the parent

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Speaker 5: and the parents refused to take the kid home, why

501
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Speaker 5: were the police not called to come and remove the

502
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Speaker 5: young man from the school. That's what we did in

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Speaker 5: the schools I worked in, and I was in schools

504
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Speaker 5: of twenty four twenty five hundred students. We had twenty

505
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Speaker 5: three twenty four gangs in each of those buildings. And

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Speaker 5: those kids that they parents were tuesday to take them home.

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Speaker 5: I called the police and the police took them to jail.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great thank you for calling in

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Speaker 2: with that story. When you hear this, I'm sure it's

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Speaker 2: to the pit of your stomach. Makes you sick because

511
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: there were so many This is not a situation where

512
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: this came out of nowhere, right like, they legitimately knew

513
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Speaker 2: the kid wanted to kill people based on his behavior

514
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Speaker 2: at school, and somehow they didn't search his locker and

515
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: they didn't search hiss backpack, and so when the parents failed,

516
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 2: I think the school failed, and unfortunately these four kids

517
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Speaker 2: bore the consequences of that failure. Thank you for the call.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure the principle has been unable to

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Speaker 2: sleep for months over the way that they responded to this.

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Speaker 3: We'll take more of your calls here. Really, this is

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Speaker 3: one of those topics where we've got a wide range

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Speaker 3: of perspectives and people really coming down on both sides

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Speaker 3: of whether this is exactly what should have happen been

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Speaker 3: in the criminal justice system to the parents, or if

525
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Speaker 3: this sets a troubling precedent. We will take some of

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Speaker 2: Perhaps that is the case. Yes, indeed we will. We'll

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Speaker 2: Let us see who do we have in the mix? Clay,

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Speaker 2: I just mind just dis here here, Chrisha Texas. Yes, hey,

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Speaker 2: you hear me? Yes, everyone can.

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Speaker 6: Wonderful.

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Speaker 7: I'm calling because I I One of the things that

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Speaker 7: I noted with the school situation is that they actually

581
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Speaker 7: gave the parents a choice whether to take him home

582
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Speaker 7: or let him stay. And the school counselor has an

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Speaker 7: obligation to report and they absolutely should have called not

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Speaker 7: the parents at that point. At that point, they should

585
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Speaker 7: have called the police. They could call yes, And so

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00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 7: the parents obviously created the situation. Their punishment and penalty is.

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Speaker 6: Well deserved and earned. They created this child and neglected

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Speaker 6: to get him help when he was begging for it.

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Speaker 6: I'm an LPC. I see a lot of this. Parents

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Speaker 6: think it's not that big a deal.

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Speaker 7: And if the school doesn't.

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Speaker 8: Support that's a.

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Speaker 6: License practicing counselor. Sorry. So if the school, by not

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Speaker 6: insisting that he leave and calling the police, gave the

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Speaker 6: parents and this is I mean again, they deserve everything

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Speaker 6: they get, but that did create the illusion that there

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Speaker 6: was a chie that it was not that right, because

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Speaker 6: if it was that, I.

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Speaker 3: See what you're saying that the school kind of created

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Speaker 3: a cascading effect of bad decisions by even allowing there

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Speaker 3: to be any decision by the parents on this matter.

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Speaker 6: Is that exactly because it's kind of failed.

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Speaker 7: They knew if they had a history of thing.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off a Terricia, You're raising really

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Speaker 2: interesting questions. One thing that I would say, I don't

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Speaker 2: believe the parents told the school that they had bought

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Speaker 2: the kid a gun four days before. So, but what

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Speaker 2: I would say, thank you for calling everybody out there

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Speaker 2: who is listening to us right now. And I know

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Speaker 2: a lot My wife is a school guidance counsel or

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Speaker 2: licensed as well. In addition to be she worked as

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Speaker 2: a school guidance counsel or public schools in the Nashville area.

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Speaker 2: I would just say, if you're listening to us right now,

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Speaker 2: and you work in a school, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: you do, why would you not call the police an

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Speaker 2: air on the side of caution if you have a

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Speaker 2: kid who you believe is threatening violence against other kids? Exactly?

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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't someone in the school why wouldn't someone in

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Speaker 3: the school do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would like the parent like to

621
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Speaker 2: have done their job. But wouldn't you rather err on

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Speaker 2: the side of caution if you work in the school,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to not taking it seriously enough? And again

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Speaker 2: I come back to this parent. If you bought a

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Speaker 2: gun for your kids four days before how old you

626
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Speaker 2: got fifteen? And yeah, and you got brought into a

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Speaker 2: school and they said your kid is talking about shooting

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Speaker 2: up the school and doing research on how to do it. Also,

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Speaker 2: I mean a big failure the you know. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I remember I was.

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Speaker 3: I was given a twenty two caliber rifle for I

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Speaker 3: think it was my thirteenth birthday. It stayed in the

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Speaker 3: gun safe with my dad's other rifles that he was

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Speaker 3: in charge of that we only opened together when we went.

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Speaker 2: To the rage.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, this notion of the fifteen year old have it.

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Speaker 3: It was my dad's go on, I just got to

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Speaker 3: shoot it, right, I mean, basically, it was just like

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Speaker 3: an idea that it was.

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Speaker 2: It was his firearm. It was idea. It was when

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Speaker 2: you become an adult, you might get it. It may

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Speaker 2: be bought for you in the future, but you don't

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Speaker 2: have it underneath your bed with access. Correct.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't like I kept it with my you know,

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Speaker 3: t Rex toys or something under my bed like my parent.

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Speaker 3: My dad had full control of it in his safe

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Speaker 3: at all times. There was no event and I didn't

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Speaker 3: actually have access to the same obviously, So it was,

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Speaker 3: you know, just kind of like a nice idea for

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Speaker 3: me giving the fifty was assume was a handgun, right

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Speaker 3: or was it an ar?

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Speaker 2: What did he give? I will give you. You will

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Speaker 2: know better than me the specific gun that he has.

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Speaker 2: So I remember this. I know I should remember that.

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Speaker 3: I mean I should know this, but you know, the

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Speaker 3: case was a while ago, so I've forgotten some of these,

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Speaker 3: some of these details. I think it was a right

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Speaker 3: sig sour.

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Speaker 2: SP twenty twenty two, nine millimeter is what they testified

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Speaker 2: that he got twenty two, So he got a he

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Speaker 2: had a pistol.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right. Yeah, Uh yeah, it's a Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a pistol. So anyway back to uh reason why

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Speaker 3: it fit in the backpack. But again circling back to

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Speaker 3: if you knew you bought your your son a handgun.

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Speaker 2: That would fit in a backpack, These parents were clearly reckless.

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Speaker 3: It's just you know, the recklessness getting kind of fifteen

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Speaker 3: years is what's getting people, I think interested in this

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Speaker 3: component of the case. Jason and Michigan want to get

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Speaker 3: you in. You're a juvenile probation officer, so you have

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Speaker 3: some insights here.

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Speaker 2: What have you got for us?

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Speaker 8: Well, input that I just wanted to offer. I was

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Speaker 8: just quite, you know, kind of shocked that the school

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Speaker 8: did not contact law enforcement. I know you guys have

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Speaker 8: been talking about that, but just the uh, just the

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Speaker 8: idea that he had, you know, drawing these pictures, made

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Speaker 8: these threats, would have been justified in at least detaining him,

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Speaker 8: if not charging him with an MCL code that already

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Speaker 8: exists called making terrorist threats. Yeah, and I've actually dealt

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Speaker 8: with a number of juveniles that have been charged with that.

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Speaker 5: And and I don't know, you know, all.

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Speaker 8: The details necessarily with that school and whether or not

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Speaker 8: they have a school liaison officer on staff, but clearly,

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Speaker 8: you know, I'm in total agreements that parents are responsible.

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Speaker 4: But I also feel, you know, the school.

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Speaker 8: Certainly did have a responsibility on contacting law enforcement as well,

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Speaker 8: which you know, I think we're all in agreement on

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Speaker 8: but I'm just shocked that this kid was in charge,

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Speaker 8: and that's a I mean, it's a very serious charge.

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Speaker 8: Is twenty year felony if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the call and the work you're doing. Look,

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Speaker 2: I think our biggest takeaway here as we finish up

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Speaker 2: this hour is if you're in a school and a

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Speaker 2: kid is threatening to shoot up the school, treat it

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Speaker 2: more seriously than you could, as opposed to less seriously

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Speaker 2: than every Clay would.

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Speaker 3: I think this school is the is the exception to that,

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Speaker 3: with terrible consequences.