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This episode also contains subject matter, including 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.879 graphic depictions of violence, which may not be suitable for everyone. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.200 Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.000 Previously on Cook County, they're. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.839 Reporting this afternoon on the worst commercial air disaster in 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:46.080 the United States history. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.120 A tragic plane crash gave Ken a new direction. 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.520 That's when I decided wanted to be a paramedic firefighter. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:54.960 I figured that's my career. Now, I'm going to do this. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.040 And Ken fell for a club girl named Honey. 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.840 I'd see that big smile on her. Everything went away, 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:02.320 all the bad stuff went away. 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:04.800 Ter force broke out across the city. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.679 There was a couple of times to take over the clubs. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.600 it was a fucking gun battle that broke out. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:12.720 In amidst all the chaos, Kenny made his exit. 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:14.520 So I knew that was my cue, and I took 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.200 it and I was gone. I was gone. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:46.480 My name is Kyle Tequila. Welcome to Crook County. 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:49.240 Yeah, yeah, Crook County. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.960 Yeah, there's no doubt about that. It's a den of thieves. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:55.720 The administration is a den of thieves. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.120 Technically, I'm out of the mob, but I'm still doing 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:00.920 shaving ship with the fire department, cover up fucking rugs, 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.360 and I raised my family doing. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:20.799 That episode seven. The devil won't leave me alone. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.720 I really wanted to get back in the civilian life. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.160 I was ready for it. I was ready for it. Man, 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.080 I wanted to get back into civilian life. You have 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.640 to understand that. No, it's like anything. It was just like, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.200 thank God it's here. I got a job and I'm 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.040 in a fire department. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.480 I got a job. I got a W two. You know, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.519 I gotta pay taxes on the grid. Yeah, I'm on 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.320 the grid, baby. You know. I was all excited. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.040 I was so I just because I didn't want to 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.400 expose you guys, said any of that shit man to 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.600 anywhere near that ship. So no, there was no nothing. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:05.280 I just fell right into it. It was natural. Got 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.440 back together with your mom, lived together, got married. I said, listen, 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:13.920 I I just finally decided, I'm gonna listen, I'm gonna 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:14.560 spend the rest of my. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.200 Life with this girl. I know she wants to have kids, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.000 so let's just get this over with. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.880 I'm getting older. I'm with the departments now. Now, now 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:27.000 I'm with the departments. Now I'm with fire department. And 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:30.560 I said, let's start having a life, start having a 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:31.320 normal life. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:33.520 You know. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:39.240 He had a Friday night wedding, big celebration because people 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.400 are off of work. You know, it's Friday night. It 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.360 was a good night to have a wedding. I think 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.880 everybody's in the party mood. And Kathy was there. She 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:50.120 was one of my bridesmaids. And we were having fun, fun, fun. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.240 And finally after we were married, and Ken went to 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:59.640 Minnesota for his paramedic you know training. He was there 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:04.600 night once and then he came back. And when he 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.640 came back, he says, let's start a family. And that 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:14.160 night you were conceived. He was like king bang boom, yeah, 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:19.039 and Kyle, my son, Kyle, was conceived. And nine months later, 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:24.360 on January twenty ninth, nineteen eighty five, I gave birth 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.240 to a beautiful baby. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:30.840 Boy, had you life went on for eighteen years or 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.080 nineteen years, twenty years? 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.520 And life did go on and it was good. A 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.320 few years after I was born, we welcomed baby Corey 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.080 into the family. Mom retired from work to focus on 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:47.880 raising the kids, and Dad was full time at the firehouse. 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:50.839 It couldn't have been more different from the nightmare Ken 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:54.120 was living only a few years prior. Just a regular 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:59.800 boring suburban family doing regular boring family shit, exactly how 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:00.560 wanted it. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.400 I will always say that my childhood was fucking fantastic. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.800 You remember my brother Corey, our hockey days. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:13.919 I mean they would travel fucking hundreds of miles, you know, 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.719 on weekends, get us hotel rooms and you know, we 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.000 just we at the time, it was bliss. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:26.400 It was perfect, Well, maybe not exactly perfect. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.520 Do you remember him beating. 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.880 The shit out of another dad, an opponent's dad. 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.520 You know, I couldn't, I couldn't find the specifics though 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:36.760 on it. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.599 Yeah, he got pissed at one of like the kids 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:41.040 on the other team, right right, because he was being 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:41.640 like a little shit. 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:42.120 Sure. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:44.080 Yeah, and the dad was the dad of that kid, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:45.880 was not happy that Ken because he Ken was coach. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:47.719 Coach Ken, he was the courts of your hockey team. 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.000 So the dad on this other team was not happy 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:52.159 that Ken was calling out his son. So he comes 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.440 sauntering over to the bench to have borders of Ken, 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.279 and he tries to dive over the bench. He tries 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.480 to jump pull himself up over in to the bench 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:04.240 like the other guy. Yeah, the dad tried to like 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:08.039 jump into the box to go after Ken, and Ken 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.120 just lay the motherfucker. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:10.840 Now could imagine. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:14.479 And and of course, like the whole place is going 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.919 like bananas at this point, like it's pure chaos. And 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:19.800 then the cops come, when the fire apartment comes and 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:23.160 of course walks away. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.640 He knows there's witnesses. 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.680 He's like, he tried to come in my box and 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.120 protecting my kids, and they let him go and they 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:33.719 arrested the other guy assault. It's just so amazing. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.240 He's like fucking just out there, man, holy. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.440 Shit, a total wild man. 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.919 There were, of course, those occasional flashes of violence we 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.159 experienced growing up that were shocking and confusing to us, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:51.080 but other signs, more subtle, yet even more dangerous, remained 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.320 unknown to us at the time. Even though they were 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:55.520 right under our noses. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.080 You wanted to keep this away from us? 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.800 Oh god, yes, that was my primary. Yeah, and so 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.120 I guess just talk talk about that you wanted to 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:05.040 keep this away from us? 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.960 Where were times where it got close? Because I remember 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:12.200 once where you came home and you had a scar 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:13.920 on your shoulder, like a fresh scar on. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:14.520 Your shoulder, and. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.400 It was very noticeable because you used to just wear 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:19.200 Dago t's. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:25.160 All the time. And I was a gunshot. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.440 I think I told you I got something removed, like 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.720 a mole or mole something removed, but I never had 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:32.240 a mole there. 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:33.600 But it was a gun shot. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:34.720 There was a gun shot. Roight, Yeah, it was a 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:35.720 small caliber gunshot. 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:36.400 What happened? 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:38.480 I got shot? 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.360 I can't remember what that incident was. I fuck, what 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:46.320 was that? I'm gonna have to really think back on this. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.080 So I got shot twice, got shot in or left eroe, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:49.680 I got shot on the right shoulder and I got 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:51.120 I get him both mixed up. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.360 But let me think about this for a minute. That 0:07:53.520 --> 0:08:00.320 got there, yeah right there, Yeah, came out wow out 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:01.120 somewhere over here. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.800 They were both small calibers just on all the way 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.840 through that one because it was buried. One of my 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.320 shoulders buried had to be dug out. 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.400 I don't know how you can forget the details of 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.720 a gunshot wound, let alone two of them. But I 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.280 guess when you've lived the life that he's lived, a 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.840 couple shots to the arm don't really mean much. The 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:26.720 troubling thing is these bullet wounds happened after I was born, 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.360 after he had supposedly left the outfit. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:31.720 Well, I kept I was kept. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:33.720 I kept it very much away from my boys, and 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:38.520 when I got on the fire department, finally I was 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.480 bound and determined to get out of it completely. Of course, 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:44.920 that never happened. That never really happened. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.600 I asked my mom about these gunshot wounds, and here's 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.559 what she had to say. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.800 I just had no idea, And I'm shocked to this 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.199 day that he let this double life for so long 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.400 and without us really knowing about it. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.880 I just think it's so interesting that his job as 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.920 a firefighter, you know, the hours are twenty four on 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.960 and forty eight off, So it's the perfect excuse for 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.600 him if he had to go do something for the outfit, 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.960 to say, hey, I'm taking an extra shift and be 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.040 gone for a day or two and go handle that, 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:25.439 and you wouldn't even think twice. 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.360 About it exactly. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.200 Yeah, who knows what he was doing. I have no idea. 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.480 I mean, it makes me sick to my stomach, especially 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.160 when you have children. I mean, my god, I mean, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:40.720 you're just you're making it so unsafe for your family 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.760 being in a world like that and doing things like 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:50.600 that and jeopardizing your family and our safety. And because 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:53.040 I didn't know this was going on, you know, if 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:55.840 I would have known this was going on, I definitely 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.520 would have said bye bye and got out of there 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:05.160 years ago. But this is pretty new to me within 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:10.320 the last few years, so I can't take back those years. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.880 But I mean, just thank god that nothing ever happened 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:17.400 to me and my family because of his responsibilities and 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:19.720 his horrible ways of life. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.680 So what the hell was happening all that time? Why 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.040 is my dad getting shot at if he supposedly left 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:30.440 the mob. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:38.719 So I'm working as a paramedic firefighter. And just when 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.199 you think you're away from all this shit, all right, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.439 You're done, You're done with all this fucking, this shady lifestyle. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.160 I'm covering up fucking murders that these cops are doing. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:53.359 Just why I think I'm getting. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.280 Out of his ship. I'm right fucking packing it. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:57.360 Yeah, I just like it. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:11:00.240 It's it's it's a double it's fucking it's foul me. 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:01.040 We're over the fuck I go. 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.120 I can't shake this out of a bitch. You won't 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:16.439 fucking leave me alone. 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.760 My name's Mike, and I was a partner with your 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:23.880 dad at a private ambulance company and at two different 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:28.760 fire departments that we worked together at, probably over the 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:33.400 course of eighteen years, so it was quite a long 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.439 time together. Your Dad's the one person I really felt 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:41.680 comfortable with, you know that feeling, because you know, sometimes 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:43.640 you have a shitty partner and you're on the ambulance 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.800 and you're thinking, well, I hope, I hope nothing really 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.720 bad happens today because I'm with this guy, you know. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:52.640 But when I was with your dad on the ambulance, 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.760 whether it was at the private ambulance company or at 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.160 the firehouse, I was like, doesn't matter what happens, because 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:00.000 we can handle anything that comes down in the post. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.720 I remember seeing Mike along when I was a kid. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.480 Of all my dad's friends, he was my favorite. Sure, 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.599 he was big and loud in the perfect picture of 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:13.079 an eighties era Chicago firefighter. But I think it's because 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:15.679 I've never seen my dad laugh as hard as when 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.120 he was around his buddy Mike. Plus he rocked the 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.320 best mustache I've probably ever seen. 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:26.360 My earliest memory of you, you were small, like three. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.200 You were talking to me. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:30.840 I don't remember what we were talking about, and your 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:32.720 dad was being an ass that day. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.119 You said something to me and I said. 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:40.320 Yeah, that's because daddy's a dick. And you said, Daddy's 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.640 a dick, and Ken and I could not quit laughing. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.520 You kept repeating, Daddy's a dick, Daddy's a dick. Your 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.840 mom was so mad at us for teaching. 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.079 He's at Ken had only been a firefighter for a 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.600 year or so before Mike was hired at the same station, 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.040 but even that early in his career, he had already 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:02.240 made a name for himself. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.600 I was brand new EMT they hired me. He wasn't 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.640 there at the time. He was on a vacation in Arizona, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.600 and all these guys were like, Ken is this great guy, 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.120 and he's a legend, and all of this shit they're 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:22.240 telling me. And I was like, Okay, this guy must 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:23.320 practically walk. 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:24.000 On water, you know. 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.840 And he came back from Arizona, and he was like 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.600 telling everybody what to do, and I was just watching, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:30.240 you know. 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.199 And then one day they paired me up with him. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.600 We were working on the ambulance together, and before we 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.600 went into a place to take care of a patient, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.520 he tells me, I do all the talking. I call 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.680 the hospital, I take care of everything. I'll tell you 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.920 what to do. You just listen to me and do 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.160 what I tell you. And I told him, fuck you, man, 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.439 I know what I'm doing. I'm not one of these 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.720 mopes that you work with here. I said, I know 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.280 what's going on. Don't talk to me like that. And 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:01.280 we were friends ever since then. Sound was the first 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:02.480 person that stood up to him. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.920 There. He tells me a story about Ken's first partner 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:08.200 before he and Mike became partners. 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:13.520 He had a partner who was a very strange person, 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:18.320 and he was trying to tell Ken what to do, 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:22.640 and Ken was yelling at him, and the guy started 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:23.840 screaming at him. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:24.280 I know. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.960 The guy like lost his mind and started screaming at Ken, 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:31.240 and Ken grabbed him by the neck and start choking 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.800 and the guy's head turned purple and he passed out 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.880 on the backstep of the ambulance. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:40.920 This was the guy that you worked with. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.800 Yeah, he was a paramedics that we worked with, and 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.800 he just kind of turned his head turned purple and 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.880 he was kind of slumped over on the ambulance bumper 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.400 and then he wakes up. You know, your dad like 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.400 go of his neck, and the guy like woke up 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.200 right away and he goes you guys saw that. You 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:03.760 guys saw that he assaulted me. I was like, I 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.560 don't see nothing. I'm going home. And all the firemen 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.000 were like, I didn't see nothing. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.440 What happened? We didn't see anything. He was the little 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:13.040 mob boss. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:13.280 Huh. 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:14.200 Yeah. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.120 You know the old saying, you can take the boy 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.160 out of the mafia, but you can't take the mafia 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:20.800 out of the boy. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.160 You know. Taking it down a notch is not his 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:24.160 specialty either. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.600 Once he gets cranked up, he pretty much doesn't care 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:28.200 who's there. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:29.560 He's gonna say his piece. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.800 With Ken and Mike now partnered up, they quickly acquired 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:38.880 a reputation as bossy and confrontational and probably a little psychotic. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.760 They wouldn't let us work together anymore, and the firemen 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.560 were crying. They went to the chief, and the chief 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:46.920 made the no more Mike and Ken rule because we 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.680 weren't allowed to work together on the ambulance anymore. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.720 Rule or not, Mike and Ken are gonna do what 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.560 Mike and Ken are gonna do. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.440 We would watch Doctor Who together on Sunday nights, and 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.840 then it started getting busy on Sunday nights. We were 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.880 having a hard time watching Doctor Who because we would 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:14.160 have to do ambulance calls. 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:16.360 So we both decided we weren't going to work. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.280 Sunday nights anymore because we want to be able to 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:21.000 watch Doctor Who uninterrupted. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.400 So they were mad because we told. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.480 Them now, we can't do any more Sunday nights because 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.520 we're missing Doctor Who and it's not right. So we 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.920 made our own Mic and Ken rule for that one. 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:35.640 It's about time. 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.160 As fun as it is to hear these old stories, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:47.200 and it really is. It's been an absolute joy catching 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.520 up with Mike. I now know that missing Doctor Who 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.920 on a Sunday night was the least of the problems. 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.280 And though Ken was no longer in a day to 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.520 day relationship with the outfit, the crime and corruption of police, 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:02.120 and a fish shows in Cook County would inevitably make 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.280 its way back into his life. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:14.440 So a cop would fucking kill somebody, whether by accident 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:17.960 or out of anger, I don't know. Anyway you kill 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:22.440 a civilian. But and here's the sick twist here, Man 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.320 Ken's got to come in as a paramedic, listen to 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.200 the story that the cops are sticking to, and then 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.040 I have to take I have to look at the 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:38.520 injuries of the dead guy and tailor their story to 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.080 fit the fucking injuries. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.160 And I got to document to shit. 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.000 In a million fucking years that I ever think that 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.639 was going to happen. I mean, I mean, who even 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:51.760 thinks the shit like that? 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.600 Was this just a given part of your new career now, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.040 or like were you getting paid? 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:01.919 Like no, no, oh no, no. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.160 This is no this is this is the culture. 0:18:04.359 --> 0:18:07.159 It's the culture that this is the part of my job. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:08.760 That's part that's part of the job. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:11.720 I asked, Mike, what do you thinks about this? 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.719 It's kind of, you know, a hard thing to deal with, 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.280 but that's how everything worked at that time. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.640 One of the ones that stands. 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.880 Out to me was there was a cop and he 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:26.840 was wasted, and he crashed into a car and he 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:31.000 hurt the people in their car, real bad and usually, 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.480 you know, that would result in tickets and and arrest 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:36.119 and stuff. 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.400 And the cops, our cops came over. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.440 And told us, don't mention that you smelled alcohol on 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:46.040 this guy's breast or anything. Don't put it in your report, 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.480 don't mention it to the hospital. We don't want to 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.919 get this guy in trouble. And I was like, he 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.840 hurt people, he's wasted and he hurt people. And they 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.280 were like, don't do it. And you know, you know, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.800 they did the wrong thing and no one's going to 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.240 hold him accountable for it. 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.320 He tells me a few other awful stories of police brutality, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:14.159 but this next one was so cruel and vile it 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:15.199 truly shocked me. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:19.800 We had a guy and he was huge. 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.439 He was like a four hundred pound guy, you know, 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.640 like twenty two to twenty three years old who worked 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:31.320 in the hospital cafeteria at a hospital in that area. 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.560 And we knew this guy. He was a nice kid, 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.400 you know, he didn't never hurt anybody. And he went 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.480 to the bar one night and these off duty cops 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:47.360 were harassing them and force feeding them shots. And then 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.520 they strapped a feedbag on him and made him eat 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:52.440 out of a feedbag and they were forcing food down 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.720 his throat and they were just torturing a kid. 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.000 And then the kid went home. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.680 And passed out, laid on his back in the kitchen 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.720 and just kept bombiting, so he aspirated and he died. 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:17.240 And that was another one where they were like, just 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.119 put the facts into the thing. Leave out you know, 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:25.160 any hearsay, like you know off duty cops were involved 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:25.760 or anything. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.360 Don't even mention that. 0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:39.280 Your dad was furious that they bullied that kid and 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:43.639 basically killed him. And there was no way to prove it. 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:46.640 You know, there's nothing we could do to prove it. 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.560 They killed a kid, They killed a young man. They 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.040 ended his life. And he never hurt anybody. That's the thing. 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:56.720 It's not like he was a terrible person or something. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.000 He is a nice kid, you know, that never hurt anyone. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.600 Now I got you know, you know, so Ken's gonna 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:07.240 die one day. 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.879 So and now Ken's got to talk, you know, sitting 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:12.959 in front of the big guy and try to explain 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.679 his way out of this one. All right, You know 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:18.919 where I had every fucking opportunity in the world to 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.480 do the right thing, but I chose not to. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.000 I mean, it wasn't much of the choice, though it 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:25.440 was it. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.880 Oh, I had a family, Kyle, you guys were born 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:30.080 I you know, I had a family to fucking raise. 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:32.359 I'm not going to jeopardize my family. 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.199 At first, I didn't understand why covering up murders for 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.960 these cricket cops would be a required part of the job, 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.240 and even more how not doing it could jeopardize our family. 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:01.000 But Jeff Cohne of the Chicago Tribune isn't surprise and 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.840 shared an interesting perspective on this sad reality. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:09.680 There was a significant issue in Chicago where the outfit 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.679