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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, Season eighteen, episode number three. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the latest edition of The Break Life and Nest WBC

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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. At the started day, we're talking draft. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get you guys ready these next few shows, get

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Speaker 1: you ready for draft. It's happening later this month into

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Speaker 1: the month actually, and I know Dave's been doing a

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Speaker 1: the Draft Show. Nick, I'm sure he is writing lots

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Speaker 1: of great articles and Hamberg's getting a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: guys for you to digest over the next few weeks

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Speaker 1: getting ready for the Cowboys Draft. Here in late April,

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Speaker 1: how's everybody doing today? Great? Good? Wow, that was loud. Sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little confused about something. So I'm glad we're

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Speaker 1: talking draft because I do have a question. You want

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Speaker 1: there in the open, right. Typically when you have a question,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, let's get into it. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 1: a center, Tyler under Bomb. But uh yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: I haven't really studied much about him or learned much

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Speaker 1: about like can he play other positions? You know, why

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Speaker 1: is that name? Why is this center? And I know, Nick,

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Speaker 1: I don't see that as the biggest necessity on the

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Speaker 1: oh line. But why is the name like that a

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Speaker 1: center being so popular for the Cowboys right now? Because

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Speaker 1: centers not a position that's typically valued heavily in the draft.

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Speaker 1: You know, Travis Frederick was drafted thirty first overall, and

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Speaker 1: people thought it was a bad pick. People tend to

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Speaker 1: think you can find a good center later in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So when a center comes along that has really good pedigree,

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Speaker 1: like a surefire first round pick, that's kind of rare.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum dominated at Iowa. You won the Remington Trophy,

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Speaker 1: which is what they give to the best center in

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Speaker 1: rare to have a draft class where you're like, this

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Speaker 1: that doesn't happen very often. And I tend to agree

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Speaker 1: he's certainly he's not Travis Frederick. I think we've talked

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Speaker 1: All right, to your point and why you were taught

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Speaker 1: What I think it still comes back to is and Dave,

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Speaker 1: But that's what it looks like right now. Their options

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Speaker 1: they're the only swing tackle right now is a fourth

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Speaker 1: McCarthy mentioned Matt Farniac and Josh Ball by name when

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Speaker 1: But the great Bradsham it left a big impression on me.

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Speaker 1: He once said, hope is not a strategy, and hoping

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Speaker 1: I don't know about anybody else. You think they have

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Speaker 1: a different opinion of McGovern than what they have shown

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Speaker 1: or telling us, perhaps, But what they've shown is that

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Speaker 1: for guy that had no future being here, Right, that's

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Speaker 1: point they've shown. They've not shown us they haven't trust

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Speaker 1: would have made a difference or not, that's a whole

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Speaker 1: different conversation, but it's something that should be pointed out.

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Speaker 1: The twenty sack players are scheme independent in my opinion, Like,

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Speaker 1: I refuse to believe a guy that's capable of tying

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Speaker 1: stray Hand's record would be limited by whatever scheme he

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Speaker 1: played in. I don't care. And if he would be,

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Speaker 1: then nixt right, change it, Yeah, if he doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: your scheme, you know. Also, though, to be fair, like

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Speaker 1: if he if he was projected as that guy, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have been picked thirty fifth. Yeah, so everybody thought

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Speaker 1: that he was a little less defensive ends in the

436
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Speaker 1: twenties for the Cowboys, haven't really panned out the irony.

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Speaker 1: They don't pan out a lot like That's Spencer though,

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Speaker 1: wasn't bad. No, he wasn't bad. Hits at end after

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Speaker 1: about pick sixteen. I mean they happen, They definitely happen,

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Speaker 1: but they're hard to come out they are. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 1: were you bust say something him? Yeah, I was gonna

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Speaker 1: say that. Going back to your initial question to me,

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Speaker 1: all those guys are pretty easy to say whether they

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Speaker 1: were a bust or no, you know, like it was

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Speaker 1: there paid good or not. You know, we talked about

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Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, Amari Cooper, Ceedee lamb U, Mica Parsons. But

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Speaker 1: the one that thinking about it does get interesting, and

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Speaker 1: the only reason is because you're not We're having a

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Speaker 1: conversation yesterday and you brought up this point about late

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Speaker 1: in Vanderesh is how bad was he or how good

451
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Speaker 1: was he? When you really look at who was surrounding him?

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Speaker 1: A guy like Jalen Smith, like could Layton actually been

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Speaker 1: a lot better than what he actually was had he

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Speaker 1: had some other different kind of support around him? And

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Speaker 1: I think that's where that question for him specifically gets

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Speaker 1: a little interesting. If you look at if you look

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Speaker 1: at it that way, and it makes me really wonder,

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Speaker 1: like you guys's opinion on that. Do you think he

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Speaker 1: would have turned out to be a different player than

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Speaker 1: what he was or husband had he had someone different

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Speaker 1: around him? What was his worst year? This last year? Oh?

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Speaker 1: You think it was his worst year? And I'm asking

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Speaker 1: what do you think was his worst year? Because I

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Speaker 1: mean there was a lot of injuries there in between

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Speaker 1: the best year, which was his first year, and this

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Speaker 1: last year, which I thought he better this year and

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Speaker 1: he'd been playing the years before that, so to me,

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Speaker 1: but I think a lot of that was sold. There

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Speaker 1: was so many injuries and just like, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he ever really kind of got all the way back.

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Speaker 1: What point you're making. Are you saying better players around

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Speaker 1: him have made him would have made him play better?

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Speaker 1: Or are you saying maybe better players around him limited

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Speaker 1: him from playing better? You know, because I mean last

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Speaker 1: year he had his best linebacker since he's been here,

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Speaker 1: was Micah Parsons next to him. Yeah, And I didn't

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Speaker 1: think he had a bad year. Again, I thought he

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Speaker 1: was better last year than he was the years before.

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Speaker 1: The couple of years before that, he he didn't have

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Speaker 1: a great year, in my opinion, or like a good year,

481
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Speaker 1: but he was better in the fact that you're not

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Speaker 1: watching the game and saying all the time, at least

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Speaker 1: for me, God, look at Laton like he's always late

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Speaker 1: for this tackle or that you know, like, yes, he's

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Speaker 1: had this moment last year, but it wasn't I feel like,

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Speaker 1: at least compared to the year before as bad as

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Speaker 1: that one. So yes, Mica maybe elevated his game a

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Speaker 1: little bit, but also previous years and what did Daylon

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Speaker 1: Smith do for him? I don't. I don't think I

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Speaker 1: buy that because top twenty picks shouldn't need you're you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to be a foundational player should Yeah, but it

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Speaker 1: should not. Yeah, but no, I just I think injuries

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Speaker 1: robbed him of some of his explosiveness and maybe even

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Speaker 1: some of his confidence in the sense that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you kind of got to throw yourself around to be

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Speaker 1: a good linebacker, and he got hurt significantly two years

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Speaker 1: in a row doing that. And I'm not saying like

498
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Speaker 1: not like he was going half speed or anything or

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Speaker 1: like protecting himself. I'm not trying to say that, but

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Speaker 1: he just didn't look as explosive or as confident in

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Speaker 1: this last season as I remember him as a younger player,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's one of the interesting things about

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee. Shaun Lee had his mini injuries as anybody

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Speaker 1: you can probably name, and probably the reason why I

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Speaker 1: kept getting injuried because he never was willing to relent

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Speaker 1: and kind of take a step back and kind of

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Speaker 1: slow down a little bit, or he just always going

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Speaker 1: to be like running and gunning in whatever happens. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's normal for a lot of guys.

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Speaker 1: In Shawn Lee is in my he's he's damn near

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Speaker 1: or one of one, like maybe Witten, But like you know,

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Speaker 1: fans want that guy that only cares about football and

513
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Speaker 1: we'll put the team above everything. And we always joke

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Speaker 1: that it's really not a realistic way to be about

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Speaker 1: human beings. That was Sean Lee. Man. He really didn't

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Speaker 1: care about anything other than being ane. That was from

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Speaker 1: the get go. I remember being on the train his

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Speaker 1: This is going to his first preseason game. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: go do an interview or something, and he was like

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Speaker 1: kind of just he told the PR guys like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. I'm not doing this because I'm

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Speaker 1: focused on this game and I got to prepare, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're gonna play twelve snaps baby tomorrow, you know.

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Speaker 1: But he was just like, nah, that was from the

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Speaker 1: very beginning. He was just football all the way. And

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Speaker 1: you wish that that would have rubbed off on more people,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Jalen Smith was here when he

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Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't Jayalen. That wasn't the way it was.

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Speaker 1: That was. That was why that's the whole snake Lee

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Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, I mean des and I butt

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Speaker 1: head sometimes about me wanting him to be more committed

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Speaker 1: mean that's why you visit all of that. Ancient. Leadership

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Speaker 1: say it all the time. All he's a leader. A

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Speaker 1: players look to. But that doesn't mean he's leading you

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Speaker 1: But you know, leadership you also have to be a

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Speaker 1: everyone's like, what are you doing? Yeah, you mess it up.

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Speaker 1: You're about to be a basketball He's on my desk.

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Speaker 1: I got I've got a bigger picture on my wall too,

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Speaker 1: of a guy that was a pretty good leader too.

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Speaker 1: So what does it say about me that the guy

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Speaker 1: Where do you project his ceiling to be. Is this

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Speaker 1: the first round. I have one more question for you

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Speaker 1: Lamb's ceiling? Because I think personally he has been a

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Speaker 1: a high? I think Cede Lamb is a victim of

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Speaker 1: pre draft hype because if he was just the seventeenth

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Speaker 1: overall pick. I'm looking at his numbers, one hundred and

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Speaker 1: through two years. I mean that's objectively good. Yeah, objectively.

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Speaker 1: But he was widely seen as the best receiver in

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Speaker 1: this class. In the twenty twenty class, the joke for

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Speaker 1: up and let him fall to Dallas. How did this happen?

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Speaker 1: Leagues dumb? And the Cowboys are great and a guy

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Speaker 1: drafted behind him is having an objectively better career. I mean,

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Speaker 1: justin Jefferson looks like the guy we thought CD Lamb

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Speaker 1: and Jerry Judy would be. UM, so we always compare

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Speaker 1: him to him. I mean always compare him to Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: He could compare him to Jalen Rager or Rugs or

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Speaker 1: all went off. So the fifth receiver in the class

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Speaker 1: is objectively the best. I mean, that's why we compare him,

638
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: because it's just like, well, the next is CD the

639
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: next best of all those him? Yes? No, And that's

640
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: My thing is like CD is having an objectively good career.

641
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: It's just what he is compared to what people thought

642
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: he would be. Like there is a guy doing what

643
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: we thought CD would be doing. But I mean, I mean,

644
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna throw this out there is justin Jefferson,

645
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Like is he really a great player? He's got great stats,

646
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: but I mean he's on a team that puts up

647
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: a lot of yards instead and a quarterback that will

648
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: throw it. But I mean it's all hollow. I mean,

649
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: do they do anything, do they win anything. I'm just wondering, like,

650
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: are we sure that he's not doing a lot of

651
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: those Dak fourth quarter things where they just come back

652
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: and he's got all these stats, and I mean, but

653
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: we only compare him to Jefferson. No one compares them

654
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: to Rager or Rugs or those other guys. I mean,

655
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: I think he's been pretty good. He's just been He's

656
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: been really good. And we'll see what happens with a

657
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: Maori not here and now he's the number one. But

658
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: I just I don't I mean, because fifteen or eighteen

659
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: teams missed on Jefferson, I don't think that it should

660
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: factor on Ceedee Lamb. I think about five or ten

661
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: teams missed on Lamb too. Yeah. No, I feel like

662
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: we're saying the same thing, Ceedie. Lamb's having an objectively

663
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: good career, justin Jefferson's having a better one. Yeah, and

664
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: people thought that was what Lamb would do. And you

665
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: can say it's hollow. I mean, it's not like CD's.

666
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: It's not like the Cowboys accomplishments in the same time span.

667
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: They lost one wild card game. I mean the Vikings.

668
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: I don't have their records right in front of me,

669
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: but the Vikings have been in the conversation. Yeah, I

670
00:32:58,280 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: mean they've been right there. It seems like they're a

671
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: comparable team to the Cowboys. And they and I'll say this,

672
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: I mean he's had the same situation as CD. He

673
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: had a veteran route running guy on the other side

674
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: that's getting a lot of yards and stats as well.

675
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: And and and Jefferson, like Jefferson just went to a

676
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: team board had a premier running back. Yeah, yeah, they're

677
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: running it is. I don't do anything, that's the thing

678
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean. And that's just my beef with cousins. So yeah,

679
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: I just think he's I think Vikings fans would agree. Yeah,

680
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: but but honestly, like you gotta turn and you turned

681
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: the mirror around, there are a lot of Cowboys. Fans

682
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 1: are thinking the same thing about the Cowboys right now.

683
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: They're just not they got a lot of talent. He's

684
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: not turned into the kind of talent that I mean.

685
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: They got a lot of people that that male Kiper

686
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: and Todd McShay said, we're talent, you know. I mean,

687
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: you know they got you got guys, And I'm the

688
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: same with the Cowboys. I'm saying cowboys too. You know,

689
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: we think Ceedee Lambs is great talent, but a lot

690
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: of teams passed on him too, like for a reason. Yeah,

691
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I guess because he was too skinny. I guess that

692
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: was the reason. I don't size is part of it.

693
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: I think he he just does everything well and isn't

694
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a super freak trait. I mean, Rugs

695
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: got drafted where he did because of how fast he was.

696
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: Judy was seen as the most polished route runner. Not

697
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: that Lamb can't do it or isn't a good route runner,

698
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: but Judy was seen as better. And people overthink these

699
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: things and you wind up fall into seventeenth when you

700
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have. But again, I think we're saying the

701
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: same thing, Like, if none of that narrative existed and

702
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: CD had just been one of like four good receivers

703
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: instead of widely seen as this amazing talent, everyone would

704
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: be very, very pleased with where he is. But because

705
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: of that hype and because a guy drafted after him

706
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: as having a better career, you kind of look at

707
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: it and you're like, Eh, I thought we'd have seen

708
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: more from LAMB. Do you guys think what we've seen

709
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: so far says that he's on track to possibly being

710
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: that upbrechelt of receiver or is it just one of

711
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: those things where you're like, you know, at this point,

712
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: you would have expected him to be more war consistent,

713
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: if that's the thing you think he's missed. I put

714
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: him as my most disappointing player from last year. Huh Yeah,

715
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: And we got killed for it because, oh my god,

716
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 1: it wasn't DAK but it was it was y CD.

717
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: Because I went to Oxnard, I mean because I was

718
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: there and you were there, and I thought he was

719
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: going to be like the great I thought this was

720
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and it wasn't and he was beating. He

721
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: was beating a better cornerback every day than than what

722
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: he faced most of the most of the games. Um,

723
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: he didn't make those highlight playmaking type plays where you know,

724
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: and this was this dropped several of them. Yeah, and

725
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: this was Cooper Rush throwing him the ball a lot

726
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: of times, just throwing it up, just go make a play.

727
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: Made it every day. He I mean, he looked like

728
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: he was about to take over the NFL. Yeah, in Knoxnard.

729
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: That's what I was a little disappointed about. Like he said,

730
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: he's still a Pro Bowl player, I mean alternate, but

731
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: he mean he was, what, you know, top ten receiver

732
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: from last year made the Pro Bowl. I thought he

733
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: I thought he had a really good year. I thought

734
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: he was gonna be even better though. What's like, Okay,

735
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: New England. His best game was New England made a

736
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: great high point touchdown in the third or fourth quarter

737
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and then obviously won the game in overtime. But like,

738
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: other than that, all of my most memorable Seed Lamb

739
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: moments are from his rookie year, like the touchdown against Minnesota,

740
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: the on side kick return, some of the catches down

741
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: the seam, he made against New York and Cleveland. He

742
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: just he was he was good last year. I didn't

743
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: think he was amazing. You talk about hollow. I felt

744
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 1: like the Pro Bowl was a little bit hollow because

745
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: he was like the second or third alternate to get it.

746
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: He had really good number he did. I feel like

747
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: a jerk because I'm like, oh, he's a disappointing or whatever.

748
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: He just he has not lived up to the gargantuan hype.

749
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: It's not to say he's a bad player. And we're

750
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: gonna find out because they got rid of they got

751
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: rid of a better receiver. He's going to be the

752
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: best receiver on this team unless something even crazier happens.

753
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: It has to be Yeah, yes, I mean I would

754
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: assume so. So it's on him now, Like they clearly

755
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: think he can be the centerpiece of their receiver corps.

756
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: And we're gonna find out the fourth best eighty eight

757
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: right now. Well, he's in this he just obviously, and

758
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: the other two guys are in the Hall of Fame.

759
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not worried about him. He's they're

760
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna pick up his option, Like I'm not worried about

761
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: you know, he's going to Yeah, he's going to keep

762
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: improving and he'll be fine. I think, I honestly think

763
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 1: this year he's gonna step up and become one of

764
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: those premier receivers because I think we've seen flashes of that.

765
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: We certainly have seen him make some plays. You mentioned

766
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: that Minnesota. I think that's one of the best catches

767
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: I've seen from him. Um, And I think he has

768
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: that ability to do some really remarkable things. I think

769
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And by the way, it wasn't just him.

770
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: Last year. You name a guy on this offense that

771
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: was consistent, there wasn't one. It was an inconsistent offense.

772
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: And so I think that you know, this year, if

773
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna have any if they're going to be successful,

774
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be in a large part because he's

775
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: gonna step up and become that guy that in crunch

776
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: time and games, they're gonna find a way to get

777
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: him the ball. He's gonna make place for him. That's

778
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: how they're gonna win. I don't want to hear this

779
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: a MARII Cooper crap with this with this one next time,

780
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: because again we've brought this up before. Yeah, you talk

781
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: about like a Mari not getting involved or not being

782
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: able to find him. They didn't target CD until the

783
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: second half of the playoff loss. That's a problem. It

784
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: is a gigantic problem problem. That's what it makes me wonder, like,

785
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: makes me anxious to see what's going to happen exactly

786
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: next year, because although I don't think that Cilli Lamb

787
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: has reached his ceiling and he has a lot more

788
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: to show, I believe that. I think that right now,

789
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: the way that the team currently stands and what they

790
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: have talent wise, they've taken a step backwards and you're

791
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: not really having the right tools around players like him

792
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: for him to be able to succeed. And by that

793
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean obviously the old line, what's going to happen there,

794
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: that's obviously going to affect the passing game and Celi Lamb. Yeah,

795
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: he's made some great catches and all, yeah, but I

796
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: also have a very fresh memory of drops that he's made,

797
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: things that he should have caught, things that you want

798
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: your number one guy to catch, and that's gonna be

799
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: his role now. And also the one game that Amari

800
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: Cooper didn't play and that you were counting on Ceedee lamb.

801
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the coaching staff is going to have to

802
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: figure something out to make to allow him to play better.

803
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: But that one game right now doesn't give me a

804
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: lot of hope because he I don't remember him really

805
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,479
Speaker 1: doing much of anything when Amari Cooper wasn't there to play.

806
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: So it makes me wonder, Okay, what's what's he actually

807
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: gonna do? And like I said, he has the talent

808
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: and I know he could. It's there, we just need

809
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: to see it. I mean he played it. To be fair,

810
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: he played a half against the Chiefs and got a

811
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: concussion and they didn't play the next game in a

812
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: short week. You know. While you were saying that, I

813
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: was like, man, that that game against the Raiders, you know,

814
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean they were in it over time. I mean

815
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: the play playing that with both their starters, you know,

816
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: but like without both starting receivers. But when that happens,

817
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: like no one ever goes back and says, they just

818
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: they just lost to the Raiders, who aren't very good,

819
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, or barely made the playoffs or whatever. But

820
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: it's just like that was a challenge, you know that.

821
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously to play that game in a short

822
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: week without your true receivers. Yeah, you know. And also

823
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: I kind of think part of the problem with this offense,

824
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: I think they had too many options. I think Dak

825
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: had too many options. And they went into it saying, well,

826
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: we're just gonna find the open guy, just get it

827
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: to him, versus a lot of teams where they're like,

828
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: we got our guy, and he's good enough that even

829
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: if he's covered, even if he sometimes it is double covered,

830
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: he can make a play and we're gonna feed him

831
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: the rock. And I wonder if maybe that's the issue,

832
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: that that maybe, but and I get that, I know

833
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: they can be double aged sort because back when they

834
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: were doing that with Days, we were like, stop trying

835
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: to feed him the ball, just get the guy. It

836
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: goes both ways. This is my beef because I mean,

837
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: I I don't necessary I'm not having played in the NFL.

838
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: This is something that Isaiah Standback was on this show

839
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: and he said, he said, when that happens though, is

840
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: it your quarterback though? Is it your quarterback that says

841
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: you just said, regardless if you're covered, we feel like

842
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: we got a guy can make a play, But it

843
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: is the quarterback comfortable enough to make that throw? When

844
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: he's covered to go, I can still get it to

845
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: my guy, as opposed to no, no, no, I'll just

846
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: find Schultz boom seven yards. Well it's still it's still

847
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: now it's third and five. But you know, I got

848
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: that to me is about building confidence because he has

849
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: to build that confidence with that receiver. That means that

850
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: he has to do that a lot during training camp

851
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 1: and during practices they're having at the house and all.

852
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: That's a reason though, there's a reason why Dak doesn't

853
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: throw a lot of interceptions. I mean, seriously, is careful

854
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: because he's careful with the ball, which is not a

855
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: bad thing. That's a good thing. But you know, I

856
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: say it all the time. When he retired, I don't

857
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 1: think is anymore. But when he retired, Brett Farve led

858
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: the NFL and touchdowns and interceptions. Romo threw some picks too.

859
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: You gotta throw it takes some chance. But but do

860
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: you think do you think Lessening doesn't throw picks and

861
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: takes chances? So I don't know, but do you think

862
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: Lessening his options maybe having less uh, Like if he's

863
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: got to choose between throwing to a Noah Brown or

864
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: throwing to a CD, that might be covered. Do you

865
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: think in that kind of scenario, he's like, I got

866
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: a better chance of making this happen if I get

867
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: it to CD. Do you think that pushes him to

868
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: maybe try to make some of those throws it otherwise

869
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: he might pass on. I hate it a lot. No.

870
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: I know Aaron Rodgers is a one of one. Yeah,

871
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: but every other good quarterback has a multitude of weapons.

872
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: I think it's on Dak to just trust that he

873
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: can get guys the ball, Like look at look at

874
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: all these great teams. I mean, the Rams have more

875
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: than Cooper Cup. And when they lost Robert Woods, they

876
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: went and got Odell. They still feed the hell lot

877
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: of Cooper Cup. That's the quarterback. The quarterback is willing

878
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: to do that. And I'm a big Dak fan. It's

879
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: on Dak to have more confidence because I'm by the way,

880
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm pointing to that hit on the head where Dak

881
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: is like, if you're not open as hell, I'm not

882
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: throwing you the ball. And that's great to a point,

883
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: you've also got to have the confidence to say this

884
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: is my guy, he's gonna go get Teams do that,

885
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,399
Speaker 1: they're like, go ahead, chilts us all day long, because well,

886
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: we'll be all right in the end, which is why. Honestly,

887
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: when I look at them potentially drafting a receiver, the

888
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: name I keep going back to is Chris Olave because

889
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: he's a wonderful route runner. Run well he's got Yeah,

890
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't I really, I don't care about his speed.

891
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: He I think he's the best route runner. If y'all

892
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: want speed, why aren't we talking about Jamison Williams. No,

893
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: I get it, but I'm saying A love gives you

894
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: both of them. He's a guy that can run, and

895
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: he can run great routes, So I'll take that speed

896
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: by training camp. Yeah, I already got that guy. A

897
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: Lave can create separation with his route running, which is

898
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: what DAK want. He's he going to be there at

899
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: twenty four? Maybe what I heard of it, But again,

900
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I think terrible, terrible, terrible ideas they do to say,

901
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: sue they've only drafted miss, aren't this guy for it? No?

902
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: I think it's a terrible idea to say will be

903
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: better with less options, no chances, but not even same.

904
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: DAC needs help. It's gonna be the old line. I

905
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: tell you the guard or center that you can take

906
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: it twenty four that starts immediately, a plug and play

907
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: guy that helps DAC more than the receiver that they get.

908
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: A twenty four. I promise you that one that means

909
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: week one you might be out there with Noah Brown.

910
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: You're okay with that. Even if you got a good

911
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: offensive line, you're okay with that. No, I'm not okay

912
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: with that. Well, what are we doing? Like, there's there'll

913
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: be other guys too, There'll be there'll be other guys.

914
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean, no, listen, I think we have hit the

915
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: point where I think, I mean, watch them sign someone today.

916
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: But I don't think you're gonna see a lot of

917
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: moves anymore. We're about three weeks away at this point.

918
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: Why go sign a veteran receiver? I don't know who's

919
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: out there, Jarvis Landry here? Yeah to me, why go

920
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 1: do that when you could draft the guy at twenty

921
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: four and then you're like, let's just cut you know? So,

922
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: I think you're just kind of hitting the brakes. We'll

923
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: see what happens after the draft, and then they'll be

924
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: they'll be like another wave. I think you're right, guys,

925
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: I think you're right. The thing like, I'm fine if

926
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: they don't do anything else at receiver. That's what James

927
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: Washington is for. You have to draft another one. But

928
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, we have we're okay, and we can

929
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: draft a guy. The thing with guard is like, they're

930
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: not okay. They're not okay, and maybe they'll sign a

931
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: guy after the draft. But this is just my opinion.

932
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: I objectively think I think there's a very good chance

933
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: that a better If there's a receiver and a guard

934
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: both available at twenty four, I think the receiver will

935
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: be the better player. And I hate the idea that

936
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: they'll draft the guard just because they need it. Yeah,

937
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: so we're talking about it at the first end of

938
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: ours segment, right, Yeah, yeah, we'll see. I don't know,

939
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's entirely possible Burkes and do

940
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: Lava could be there, or at the very least one

941
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: of them. And going away from one of those guys

942
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: because you didn't do anything about guard makes me want

943
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: to puke. Yeah, but true. But also, remember what we

944
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: talked about before is that this is a three to

945
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: four year thing and you're gonna need a guard. I mean,

946
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Zach Zach Martin is of course, no, I mean I

947
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: mean it's time to start putting those resources back in

948
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: that offensive line again. Well, but not only that, Nick,

949
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned this earlier in the show. You kind are

950
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: also looking at like where can you get other players?

951
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: And it sounds like, Dave, you know more about this

952
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: than I do, But it sounds like this is a

953
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: very deep wide receiver draft. You could get good wide

954
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: receivers maybe in later round, second, third, maybe even fourth round.

955
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: Maybe they're not as good obviously, but certainly there are

956
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: options there where you're like you said, Nick, if you

957
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: don't take that center early, you might not get one.

958
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: Maybe the same for guard. Who knows. I think I

959
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: think you can get in the second or third round.

960
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: I think one of their needs is going to be

961
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,319
Speaker 1: a smaller receiver, very quick and fast. Maybe a guy

962
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: that returns punts as well. I don't even know the name.

963
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've got some names like that, but I'm

964
00:46:55,560 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: looking at a you know, five ten, five eleven, you know,

965
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: slot guy, super quick and fast, he can do some

966
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: things with him, returns punts. That would be because I

967
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: think that guy in the third round is also a

968
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: guy that helps you immediately, because there's not really a

969
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: guy like that James Washington is not very tall, but

970
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: he's not really a slot guy. I'm looking for it.

971
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: Maybe a slot type of quick, you know, gadget type

972
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: player that can do some things for me. Larry, let

973
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: me look at this draft magazine there we have. We're

974
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,879
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975
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit more and we're gonna move

976
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: to the second round. And look what the Cowboys have

977
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,560
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Speaker 1: what was that like? Wonderful? Yeah? I mean it's uh, Dave,

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00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: Dave was he was really excited when a Stone Cold

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00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: came out. Yeah, I was. I was trying to find

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Speaker 1: a Stalgia. Yeah, very nostalgia. Which the fact that Stone

1031
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,920
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1032
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Speaker 1: made an appearance at all of them. Like, wwe knows

1033
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,400
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00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: they never promised that. I never I made them. Look

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00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: I made that. I ruined everybody's night. Because my buddy

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00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,040
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00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: He reads the message boards, he watches and xt in

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1039
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: the rumor there's a chance the Rock could show up,

1040
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: And I said it in passing to a few people

1041
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,160
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00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,959
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1044
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 1: the Rock get And I was like, I didn't say

1045
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: it was gonna happen. You weren't the only one, though,

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Speaker 1: there thinking that there was a good chance for the rock,

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Speaker 1: you know, but a little man wasn't excited that and

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00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,239
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1051
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1053
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Speaker 1: And there's no doubt about it. They do a great job.

1057
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: That know what they're doing, and it was it was fun. Yeah.

1058
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: Speaking of nostalgia, Dave, you kind of you kind of

1059
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 1: took me aback when you tweeted about One Shining Moment

1060
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, that is all about nostalgia.

1061
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: How could you not like One Shining Moment? You know me, man,

1062
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm broken inside. I just I just it's probably hurt me.

1063
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I love One Shining I looked

1064
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: forward to One Shining Moment. I just think it's a

1065
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: corny song, yes, but that's beside the point. It's nostalgia.

1066
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 1: It's nostalgia. It's it's just all the years of watching

1067
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: it after I thought you were actually referring to like

1068
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 1: a shiny moment that happened. We're talking about the you know,

1069
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: obviously the video they put together at the end of

1070
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: the Come into it now and just hit and just

1071
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: let me see what they're talking about. Yeah, like, you

1072
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: gotta have been doing this for years, and it's just

1073
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: a part of the experience, part of the experience of

1074
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: March madness. Been watching the tournaments since I was like

1075
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: eight years old. My dad grew up a huge KU fan.

1076
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't follow KU basketball anymore, but it was very

1077
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: cool to see them when they broke my heart in

1078
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: the Dome in two thousand and three when they lost

1079
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: the Syracuse so like I was like, oh, kind of

1080
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: exercising those demons. I still turned it off before the

1081
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: song came on, like I did too, But it doesn't

1082
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: do anything for me. Did YouTube the next time I did?

1083
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: I did too. See that's it's it's to me thing.

1084
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: It's like displays of earnest emotion abhorre me, Like I

1085
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: can't deal with this, so I have to go somewhere else.

1086
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: It's really hard to do anything like, especially in the

1087
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: media world, to keep it going for I mean, thirty

1088
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: thirty two years. I believe it was nineteen ninety or

1089
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: ninety one when they started doing it. They've changed the song.

1090
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's a different version of that song version,

1091
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: but it's still the ball is tipped. Yeah, I've always

1092
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: just loved it. It's just it's kind of just pulls

1093
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: it all back together. Remind you. I remember that in

1094
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: the first round. I remember that in the second round.

1095
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: Like it's just I don't know, like as you get older,

1096
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: like Santa Claus Is coming to town is not for

1097
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: me either. It's a little too hokey. But you just

1098
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: talked about WWE and you were like, it's all about

1099
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: in the stat Yeah, Stone Cold comes out on an ATV,

1100
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: guzzles beer and kicks people's ass. Like that's fun, that's great,

1101
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: one shining moment. You just told us so much about yourself,

1102
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: stone Cold in the Rock, Like those are my childhood heroes.

1103
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 1: If you need any contexts about who I am. Yeah, yeah,

1104
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: that's good. Okay, all right, let's move on. We're gonna

1105
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 1: talk about the second round here, and we'll probably haven't

1106
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: get through all of this, but we're gonna start here

1107
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: on the second round. Next week, we'll pick you back up. First,

1108
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: tell me in the second round, what is the expectation Dave,

1109
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: I know you said you kind of know how teams

1110
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: think about this. What what do teams think of second

1111
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: you have something the second round picks, and what the

1112
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: expectation should be for those players. I think, more so

1113
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: than what Dave said in about the first round, I

1114
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: think where the guys picked in the second round is

1115
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: a big difference. I mean high second round. You know

1116
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about thirty eight, thirty nine, forty versus sixty.

1117
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: I mean I think I think that's a big difference

1118
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: on your expectation. I mean, first round you expect that

1119
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: guy to come in and play. Second round depending on

1120
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: the position it is different, I mean, and what you

1121
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: expect him to at least contribute. Yeah, first, So the

1122
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: two things I'm looking at here, which is the way

1123
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: you look at it depending on and next totally right

1124
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: like second round, high, second round, low, second round, even

1125
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: part of the third round. First year, starter, ability, verse starter,

1126
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: a bil, immediate backup or role player might need time

1127
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: to develop. The higher you go, the more likely it

1128
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: is that you view them as an immediate starter or

1129
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: an immediate player. And that's why the funny thing is,

1130
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: and I know you want to go round by round,

1131
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: but I think this is a just a perfect example

1132
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: of what we're talking about. And it's why teams guard

1133
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: their actual grades of players very very closely because they

1134
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: don't want to They don't want you to know just

1135
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: how little or much they thought of a guy, because

1136
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,320
Speaker 1: that can really come back to bite you. But twenty

1137
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: nineteen and twenty eighteen, or perfect example, Connor Williams goes

1138
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: fiftieth overall mid second round. Then the next year they

1139
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: don't really need a guard, but they draft Connor McGovern

1140
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: I believe ninetieth, yes, ninetieth overall. And remember the narrative

1141
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: around McGovern when they drafted him was this was a

1142
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: blinking red light, like we had a high second round

1143
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: grade on this guy. We couldn't believe he hung around

1144
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: until where we were picking in the third round. So

1145
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: even though Connor McGovern was taker, sorry, Connor Williams was

1146
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: taking forty spots ahead of Connor McGovern, Connor McGovern's a

1147
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: more disappointing player to me because of what you had

1148
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: him great at, as what you thought he could be,

1149
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: whereas Connor Williams, and to be fair to him. I

1150
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: don't know what they're great on Connor was, but taking

1151
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: it taking at fiftieth. I've been arguing with people for

1152
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: months that Connor Williams is this disappointing player. I'm like,

1153
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: you drafted him fiftieth overall and he started four years here,

1154
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't work out. You were fine to let him leave,

1155
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: but like you got a second contract in the NFL,

1156
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: that's you got used out of him. Like that is

1157
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: not a terrible pick as far as I'm concerned. Whereas

1158
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: for what we know about what they thought of Connor

1159
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: McGovern and I'm like, y'all thought you were getting more

1160
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: than this when you drafted him. I mean, that's just

1161
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: that's indisputable at this point. So I think it's just

1162
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: an interesting inside look into the way that these things

1163
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: play out, because again, you could draft a guy at

1164
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: ninety that you have a high second on, or draft

1165
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: a guy at fifty who you're like, oh, this is

1166
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: about right, you know where this is? This lines up

1167
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: with where we're picking, And I think that just colors

1168
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: the way that you can view these careers because I think,

1169
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 1: of course, you would rather have Treyvon Diggs, who was

1170
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: fifty first overall, like it would be great if a

1171
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: top fifty pick signed a second contract here, but I

1172
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: don't think it's the end of the world that it

1173
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: doesn't work out. So you look at the guys that

1174
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: they've selected over the last five years. In the second round,

1175
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: you got Kelvin JOSEPHO was selected at forty four, Treyvon

1176
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: Diggs at fifty one, Tristan Hill at fifty eight, Connor

1177
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: Williams at fifty, and Cheetah bay A Woozier at sixty.

1178
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: Let's start first with Kelvin Joseph. Do you think he's

1179
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: met expectations for what you needed to see from him

1180
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: in year one or do you think at this point

1181
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: he's vastly under under that I don't think we'd say over,

1182
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: but vastly under where you wanted him to be at

1183
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: the end of year one. I mean, I think when

1184
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: he was drafted, even though you kind of knew some

1185
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: of his history, the corner that you draft at forty four,

1186
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: you would have liked for him to be better than

1187
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown. He wasn't for a couple of reasons. One,

1188
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't good enough, he has hurt a little bit,

1189
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown had a better year than maybe people

1190
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna have. You know, he's continued to

1191
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 1: improve too, so I think he's below the expectations. But

1192
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, the cornerbacks that were ahead of them are

1193
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: better than him, and you got to give them credit

1194
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, I think the way you view Kelvin

1195
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: probably depends on how you viewed Jordan Lewis and Anthony Brown,

1196
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: because on one hand, it's like these guys are bums

1197
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: who were trying to get rid of and a top

1198
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: fifty picks should be able to come in and take

1199
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: their job. Then on the other hand, you say, these

1200
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: two guys are successful draft picks who signed second contracts

1201
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: with their team and have started a lot of games

1202
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Maybe neither one of them is as

1203
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: bad as fans like to act like they are. And

1204
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: it's hard for a rookie, a rookie whose thumbnail was

1205
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: kind of raw only. I think Kelvin Joseph only started

1206
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: like eight college games, hasn't played a lot of football,

1207
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: probably not ready to come in and be the guy

1208
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: right away. But I do like what I see from

1209
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: him from when when he's out there, you can see

1210
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: the skills and I think you know, I've said it before,

1211
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: this these three months are crucial for him. These you know,

1212
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 1: March April May. What is he doing to take his

1213
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: game to the next level, because he's got the potential,

1214
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: he's just got to do it. Maybe it's a cop out,

1215
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: but like Kelvin Joseph, I just have a pen in

1216
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: him where I'm like, I'm not disappointed and I'm not optimistic,

1217
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: just like it was a red shirt ear for all

1218
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: intents and purposes, Let's see what you can do this year. Yeah, well,

1219
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: that's a rap for us for today. We'll be back

1220
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: next week. We'll talk about the rest of this second

1221
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: round because there are lots of questions around Treylon Diggs

1222
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: and how he's can, how he's perceived versus the player

1223
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: that he is, and and certainly from Connor Williams Tristan Hill,

1224
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions in this second round. We

1225
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: talk about it all that next week till then. For

1226
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: Nick Even, Dave helm and Amber Garcia. I am Derek Eagleton.

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