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Get started now sign up. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: sent you. Please use the promo code Collins c O 12 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: l I n FanDuel Sports Book App. Sign up. Hey, 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: it's prime cuts. We had a great week in the 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: Calling Coward Podcast. Al Michaels behind the scenes look at 15 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: Miracle on ice, working with John Madden, NFL insider, Mike 16 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: silver weight In on all things Urban Meyer, Aaron Rodgers 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, and as always Chad Milman. Am I 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: A sharp, am I A square week sixteen NFL picks. 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: But first my top takes of the week. We all 20 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: know the way it works with quarterbacks. There are some 21 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: teams that have great quarterback talent and great weapons, the Chargers, 22 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, the Rams. There are teams that have very 23 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: limited offensive talent but great quarterbacks. Buffalo outside of Stefon Diggs, 24 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: average offensive line, you could use another receiver, average backs, 25 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: And then we know there are teams that have really 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: really good weapons and average quarterbacks. Cleveland and Minnesota. I mean, 27 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: Vikings have Adams Dalvin Cook, Justin Jefferson, and you're stuck 28 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: with Kirk Cousins. Ask yourself this today, couldn't I also 29 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: throw the Dallas Cowboys into that they no longer throw 30 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: the ball down the field. It's not the weapons. Their 31 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: longest completion was Amari Cooper nineteen yards dak and dunk. 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: Since the first week of November, has once again appeared 33 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: injury confidence play calling. He can't blame Kellen Moore, right, 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: everybody loved Kellen Moore. I mean, Zeke and Tony Pollard 35 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: aren't completely healthy, but they shouldn't have to be one 36 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: hundred percent to be able to engineer an offense. I mean, 37 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: we know the New York Giants are an abscessed tooth 38 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: of a franchise. This game was fairly competitive with eight 39 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: minutes to go, and I think Dak is getting into 40 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: that sort of Baker Mayfield Kirk Cousins category where the 41 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: weapons and the old line is better than the quarterback. 42 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: Since the start of November, there have been four different 43 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: instances when Dak Prescott is averaging six yards an attempt 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: and now teams are picking up on it, Teams don't 45 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: respect him. It's getting worse. So you know, I've said this, 46 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: there's a handful of great quarterbacks in this league, and 47 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: because people like Dak Prescott, they try to nudge him 48 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: and move him toward that group. He's not in that group. 49 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: And with that, let's pivot to New England's Mac Jones, 50 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: who's finally struggled for the first time in seven or 51 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: eight weeks. You know, there's only six quarterbacks in this 52 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: league that, whether they're trailing or leading, they play the same. 53 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes 54 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert. To me, they're the super six. They're 55 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: either magnificently talented or they have so many snaps at 56 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: center pre snap they can throw and everybody knows they're throwing. 57 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: They're sick of them in the league. There's a bunch 58 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: of other really strong guys. There's moments. Joe Burrow has 59 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: some of those qualities. There are moments. Kyler Murray has 60 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: some of those qualities. But Kyler Murray has struggled situationally 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: in two or three different games this year when he 62 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: trailed and had to throw in a big spot. So 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: it's not a surprise that Mac Jones struggled. He doesn't 64 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: look the same trailing either to twenty four other guys. Again, 65 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: it's Aaron, Brady, Russell Wilson, Josh Allen, Mahomes and Herbert. 66 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: I can't really tell if they're leading or they're trailing. 67 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: But Mac Jones, he's a better version of Tuah. And 68 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: that's what's interesting about this league in quarterbacks is that 69 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: twas one, what sixth straight? Max one? What seven of eight? 70 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: If you have a great defensive coach, Bill Belichick, Brian Flores, 71 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: and I feel like Tua is a lesser version of 72 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Not dynamic, not overly powerful, arm, doesn't make 73 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: a ton of big mistakes, although Tua did have a 74 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: pick six against the Jets. You can win a lot 75 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: of games in this league. You're not gonna win Super Bowls. 76 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: But Mac Jones and two you can win a lot 77 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: of games between the two of them. I think they've 78 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: won twelve of their last thirteen games. Great defense, don't 79 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: make mistakes, win close. And so I've never already thought 80 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: of the Patriots as a team that would hoist a 81 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: trophy this year. But Miami and New England approving even 82 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 1: limited quarterbacks, with the right defense, the right coach, and 83 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: a decent running game, you could win seventy percent of 84 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: your games in this league, all right, A couple of 85 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: times a year. I'm lucky enough to talk to Alan Michaels. 86 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: I've I've said this before that the two or three 87 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: broadcasters in my life that had formed some sort of 88 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: personality for me, or Howard Cosell when I was eight, 89 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: maybe cost Us and Al Michaels when I was eighteen, 90 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: And I always start saying this, you were the best 91 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: baseball play by play guy that I'd ever heard. Of course, 92 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: people in Los Angeles. Vince Scully almost Shakespearean in his reverence. 93 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: Right we then, really is remarkable. It's almost literature on radio. 94 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: But you it's interesting out you made a pivot to football. 95 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: My first job out of college. You did the Hawaii Islanders. 96 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: I did to Las Vegas Stars. So I was a 97 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: baseball guy and Vegas changed me. I could bet on football. 98 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: I loved betting on football, and I became I wasn't 99 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: a huge NFL fan as a kid. I was a 100 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: college football baseball guy. You made a pivot, much like 101 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: Tiger Woods changing clubs at the height of his game. 102 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: You were the best baseball guy and you said I'm 103 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: gonna go to football, and you were doing both, but 104 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: that was not at the time. Was there a moment 105 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: you went what am I doing here? Or what did 106 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: you do? A conviction? So Colin, basically what it amounted 107 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: to is I cut my eye teeth in baseball. Loved baseball, 108 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: did the Hawaii Islanders, did the Cincinnati Reds, Big Red Machine, Bench, 109 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: Rose Morgan, Sparky Perez, went to the Giants, Baca, tripled 110 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: my salary for three years, went to ABC and did 111 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: all fourteen years of Monday Night baseball. Before that ended, 112 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: they put me on Monday Night Football. So in eighty six, 113 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: eighty seven, eighty eight, and eighty nine, I was doing both. 114 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: But I loved and still do baseball, and I was 115 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: shattered when we lost the rights to baseball going to 116 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety season. So by that time I was 117 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: already doing the NFL. I had done a lot of 118 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: college football as well at ABC, so it wasn't a 119 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: matter of voluntarily giving up baseball. I desperately wanted to 120 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: do it, but I was at a place ABC that 121 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: did not have the rights from nineteen eighty nine on 122 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: except for a couple of years when we shared some 123 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: baseball coverage with NBC at the old Baseball Network, and 124 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: that was it. So the last baseball game I did 125 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: would have been in nineteen ninety five when I did 126 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: the fifth game of the World Series between Atlanta and Cleveland, 127 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: and I had a feeling that would be and that 128 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: one other game with Bob Constius at the Park in 129 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,119 Speaker 1: San Francisco for the Baseball Network back in twenty eleven, 130 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: but that was the last time I did in baseball, 131 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: and I truly missed it. I mean it was it 132 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: was a big gaping hole in my heart in a way, 133 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: but then you know, I just got used to it. 134 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: So it wasn't a matter of wanting to pay it 135 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: for baseball to football. It was a matter if I 136 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: had no choice because ABC just didn't have the rights. 137 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I did a few games in 138 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: Hawaii play by play in Aloha Stadium, and our vantage 139 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: point and I imagine yours was similar, was like up, well, 140 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: remember you did Aloha Stadium, which they built. When I left, 141 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: I was at a place called Honolulu Stadium, hard by 142 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Wiki Key on the other side of the Alloy Canal, 143 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: and we used to call it Termite Palace. So that's 144 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: what I did my minor league baseball games at the termine, 145 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: the old Termite Palace, which was a jury rig place 146 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: that they'd ded like three hundred cias every eight years 147 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: and had a capacity of twenty. It was also the 148 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: football stadium and that hosted any number of hula balls 149 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: and the University of Hawaii football games in high school football. 150 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's a John Madden documentary coming out here 151 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: on Christmas for Fox. You've had a lot of great 152 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: partners and you, you know, you work well with a 153 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: lot of people. I mean, they put a comedian in 154 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: the booth with you, and you made it work. Madden 155 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: was so different al in that I remember once reading 156 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: an article that said, you know, he hit you like 157 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: a strong drink. He was just such a force of personality. 158 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: Was it was it difficult? I mean, because you knew 159 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: that you You've always been a guy that you navigate 160 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: the play and then you set somebody up. John was different. 161 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: There was a Barkley quality where he just didn't do 162 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: it like anybody else. Was that easier or more difficult 163 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: for you? I had seven wonderful years with John, and 164 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was basically very easy. And one of 165 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: the reasons was when John came to me in two 166 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: thousand and two at ABC on Monday Night. He had 167 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: left Box and Pat sum Roll was either going to 168 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: retire or not be on the number one game, so 169 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: it'd be easy for John. For John to come over. 170 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: We had heard each other so much. I had heard 171 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: John do hundreds of games. John was always in the 172 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: bus after a Sunday game on Monday night. He'd heard 173 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: me do hundreds of games. And I remember when we 174 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: got together for the first time and our producer Fred Goodelly, 175 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: who's still my producer on Sunday night now. Fred said 176 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: to us, you guys want to do a practice game 177 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: off tape, and we'll roll the tape and you guys 178 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: can see where you are, and John looked at me, 179 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: because I was kind of the senior guy at that point, 180 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 1: John's coming to maybe soon I'd been their xt number 181 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: of years, and I said, I don't think we needed 182 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: And then we walked out of the room, and John said, 183 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, because we both felt that 184 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: it would have been artificial to sit there and try 185 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: to figure out where we were in front of a 186 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: in front of a monitor and calling a game in 187 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: a studio a fake game. So I know when John 188 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: and I made our debut together in two thousand and 189 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: two at the Hall of Fame game and ten by 190 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: the time I got to the second commercial, I felt 191 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: like I was where I'd worked with this guy for 192 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: fifteen years. This was the easiest time, and we just had, 193 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I think, a genuine feel for each other's rhythm, and 194 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: we had a great amount you know, I had a 195 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: great amount of spect obviously for John. I think he 196 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: did for me as well, and it made it so 197 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: pleasurable and so fascinating. And I've said this before, Colin, 198 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: I think one of the great things about John is that, 199 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: apart from the game itself, apart from when we were 200 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: in a football world and we would just you know, 201 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: me talking at dinner. He was a fascinating man, extremely 202 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: well read, curious about everything and the greatest, one of 203 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: the greatest conversations I've had with John had nothing to 204 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: do with football. I mean, he was a true renaissance man, 205 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: and I loved in the documentary. I saw a clip 206 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: of it and he said he had never thought about broadcasting, 207 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: and then the minute he did it, He's like he 208 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: used to call all of us hair dues, and then 209 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: the minute he did it, he knew it was perfect 210 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: for him. So for a lot of people, al you 211 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: and I remember him coaching, and I can remember, like 212 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 1: Jerry Tark Canyon it was the short sleeve dress shirt, 213 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, kind of ill fitting. If I said to somebody, 214 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: do you remember his coaching style? Do you if I said, hey, 215 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: what was like Eric Correel, Bill Walsh? What was because 216 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily I remember him as a big flamboyant 217 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: personality on the sideline yelling at referees. What was his 218 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: coaching style? Do you recall? Well, it was pretty much 219 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: what the Raiders style was too, you know, go vertical. 220 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: And he had Kenny Stabler as his quarterback for the 221 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: most part through those years, and they had a lot 222 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: of speed, Clip Ranch and the rest. And they were 223 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: a physical team. They had neither of them at two sacks, 224 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: and the longs and the guys who could you know, 225 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: could beach up basically, and so they were physical. They 226 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: were exciting the Raiders in those years. I would say 227 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: I would describe their games as exciting. They played not 228 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: only winning football, but believably entertaining football. And you go 229 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: back through some of the games that John coach, and 230 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: those are some of the most memorable games in the 231 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 1: history of the National Football League, including of course to 232 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: the Frank o'harris cash no catch, which of course John 233 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: has to live on the other side of. But he 234 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: was a guy and you know, so funny you talked about, 235 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Tarkanian and maybe the short sleeve dress 236 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: shirt with John. To me when I pictured him on 237 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: the sidelines, John was always he had a one of 238 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: those paper credentials tied to his belt loop, as if 239 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: he needed a credential to get into the open color sea, right, 240 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: But I love it. There was John larger than life, 241 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: a guy who's going to go to the Hall of 242 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Fame as a coach, and he's got that little credential 243 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: dangling from his belt loop. He was special. You know, 244 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: so much has been made. I mean, you've had just 245 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: this incredible career and now it's going to be extended. 246 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: Now I don't keep up necessarily, I should do a 247 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: better job of this on the trades. You are going 248 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: to be hearing rumors about Thursday night football? Is that 249 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: done officially? No, it's not done. I mean it's I 250 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: know what's out there is. My deal ends after the 251 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in February, and NBC is going to be 252 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: very involved in the production of Thursday night games, at 253 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: least initially, so there's a little bit of a blending there. Sure, 254 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know exactly what's going to happen. And 255 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: I've been able to this year. Colin really kept it 256 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: over on the side because I'm enjoying this year so much. 257 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: The games have been great. Love the people I work 258 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: with just loved them to death, the greatest true ever 259 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: and I'm so fortunate. And if you begin to think 260 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: about other stuff, I think it takes away from the 261 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: joy of what's going on at this point. And I 262 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, I hear people like Aaron Rodgers talking about 263 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: savoring the moments and you saved them when they happen. 264 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: And I want to enjoy this year. And we've got 265 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: the super Bowl coming up, and we're doing two other 266 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: playoff games and Week eighteen. There's there's so much too 267 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: that's happened this year and look forward to that. If 268 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: I start to drift over to what will happen next year, 269 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to go there. I will say this. 270 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: I love doing this and I have no intention not 271 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: to be doing football next year. I do want to 272 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, well, you do a pretty good job. Yeah, 273 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: let's just say that. I think you're pretty good at 274 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: the whole damn thing. So Musburger told me this once. 275 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: So I was in the back of a car. We 276 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: were getting driven to an event we were doing together 277 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: for Toyota. If I recall, and you know, Brent, like 278 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: you when you hear a broadcaster and then you sit 279 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: next to him in a car you're at dinner with them, 280 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's really funny. And I could hear Brent 281 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: three feet from me. I just was waiting for him 282 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: to say, you're looking live at the steering wheel. He's 283 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, And I asked him. I said Jesus, Brent, 284 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: you're doing you live in Billings or something. You got 285 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: a game in a man Addison, Wisconsin. Do you ever 286 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: just look at your schedule and it's just overwhelming? He goes, Colin. 287 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: The next game is the only game I know, And 288 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 1: I thought that's the way to do it. Don't look 289 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,479 Speaker 1: at my schedule. What's the next day I'm broadcasting. And 290 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: that's very much what I'm thinking about in terms of 291 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: this year. 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I said, 336 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: there's one moment in my life that I would love 337 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: for somebody to explain to me that I wish I 338 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: was there and you were. And I remember watching the 339 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: thirty for thirty from the Russian perspective on Miracle on 340 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: ice and Russian players saying and this was a hearty 341 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: group saying we were scared and we know about your 342 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: call with you and Ken Dryden take me to the 343 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: environment an hour before, an hour and a half before. 344 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: Is it unique in your experience because it's a fairly 345 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: small venue. Is it in all your NBA finals, in 346 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: all your games? Did it feel unique as a moment 347 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: in time. Well, you have to start with before the Olympics, 348 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: what did you expect? And the expectation was that the 349 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: US team, if everything worked pretty well, would win a 350 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: bronze medal. The Soviets were the best team in the 351 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: world bar none the Czechoslova and team before that country 352 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: broke up, Czechoslovakia number two clearly. Three would be US, Finland, Sweden, Canada, 353 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: Germany possibly Okay, So the best case scenario was bronze. 354 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: When I got the assignment, I was pretty happy about 355 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: it because I actually wanted I wanted speed skating because 356 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 1: Eric Hayden was expected to win five gold medals and 357 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: he did, and that would have been I thought that 358 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: was the premium event. I know I wasn't going to 359 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: get alpine skiing because Bobby Attie and Frank Kifford loved 360 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: the Aprey ski scene and they were friends with so 361 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: that was out. So hockey. I actually I loved hockey 362 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: as a kid growing up in New York. And I 363 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: was the one guy on that staff, which included Keith Jackson, 364 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: Frank Kiffort, Jim McKay, Howard Cosell, Chris Shenkom. I knew 365 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: what all side of icing was. And I was the 366 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: only guy who had ever done a hockey game. I 367 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: had done one. So get the assignment, and I'm happy 368 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: about one thing. At the Winter Olympics. It's always good 369 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: to have an indoor venue, right, I don't need a Parker. 370 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: I can go to work at all at a Blazer. Now. 371 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: The hotel in Lake Classon was maybe four blocks from 372 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: the arena. So when the whole one, it starts the 373 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: US team on open the night before the actual opening ceremony. 374 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: The US team, with thirty seconds to go in the game, 375 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: winds up with a tie against Sweden. Bill Baker scores 376 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: a goal, and it's like, who WHOA, that's that's pretty good. 377 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: That's not a bad start. Sweden was perceived to be 378 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: a little bit better than we were. Now you get 379 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: to the second game, we're playing in Czechoslovakia and we 380 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: kill them, so it's like, wait a second, what's happening here? 381 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: US win seven to three. Now they go they beat Norway, 382 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: they beat the Romania, they beat Germany, so now they 383 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: get to the metal round and it's like, okay, they're 384 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: gonna play the Soviets, but going to get killed. And 385 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Ken drived and I had We've been to the Soviet Union. 386 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: We had watched that Soviet team play six or seven games. 387 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: We'd watch them in the Olympics. They just toyed with 388 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: teams and the conversation that Kenny and I had as 389 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: we walked to the arena probably about two o'clock in 390 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: the afternoon, eas the game started five, So we were 391 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: walking over to the arena and I remember saying to Dryden, 392 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, if it's only like three to one midway 393 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: through the second period, it sounds close enough to keep 394 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: an audience for a while. So now the US falls 395 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: we kind of quickly one another thing, look out tie 396 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: the game fall behind two one. Mark Johnson gets the 397 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: goal at the horn at the end of the first period. 398 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: It's like, whoa. The second period is dominated by the Soviets, 399 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: so now it's it's three two. So we're in the game, 400 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: so this is much better than anybody anticipated. And then 401 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: of course when the US ties the game three three 402 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: and then Erusione scores with Kim to go, that was 403 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: just insanity. And I remember thinking I just had to 404 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: stay in the game, to stay in the moment, because 405 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: now the crowd is going crazy and we're on our 406 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: like a ramshackle platform in the front of them would 407 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: be the second level of balcony, small arena like seven 408 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: or eight thousand seas and it's shaking, it's going back 409 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: and forth and up and now because there's there's so 410 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: much stopping of feet and screaming, and of course the 411 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: truck is going crazy too. I got the producer in 412 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 1: my ears, screaming his gutsat at me, and all I'm 413 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: thinking about his hand like a horse with blinkers, straight 414 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: ahead cold again Collim Coliam Coal a game and I'm 415 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: doing it. And now I'm thinking US as a four 416 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: three lead, I wa whoa. And now you want the 417 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: clock to get to zero, but it's it's the clock 418 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: looks like it's in quicksand you can look up at 419 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: the clock. You know, the clock is like six minutes 420 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: and twelve seconds. Next time you look up. You're hoping 421 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: it's like four minutes, but it's like six or two. 422 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, because I've gone by, and so now 423 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: it goes out to the end. Jim Craig's making some 424 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: great saves the US team. I mean, it's phenomenal with Craig, 425 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: the US goalie. And as the game is coming to 426 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 1: its conclusion, people said to me, is that just think 427 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 1: about that? They think about it. I thought that the 428 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: Soviets would win the game ten two. The puck came 429 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: at the center ice with about five seconds to go, 430 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: and there was no time of the Soviets amount a 431 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: new attack. And the word that came into my head 432 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: was miraculous. Miraculous, And somehow it got morphed into a 433 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: question and an answer, and then I just let it 434 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: play for the next forty five to sixty seconds, I guess. 435 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: So the reality of it is colin that I didn't 436 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: know exactly what I had said, well, what the words 437 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: that came out were from my heart. It was like, 438 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: this is so great. This is a miracle. You know, 439 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: it's a sports miracle. It's not a miracle miracle, you 440 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So when I said that that's 441 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: that was like the ten year old of me coming out. 442 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: That had nothing to do with a preordain or thought 443 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: about mummies. If you think about what you're going to say, 444 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: it sounds scripted. So hey, listen, I got lucky because 445 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: that was one moment in time. It was the greatest thing. 446 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's the pinnacle of my career in the 447 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: sense that nothing will ever supplant that for a moment, 448 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's it's nice to be able 449 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: to live with that as opposed to screw it up 450 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 1: and having to live with that for forty years. Did 451 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: you did you know within twenty four hours it was 452 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: iconic the call? I did not not at all, because 453 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: you don't know how long things last. You don't know 454 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: if things have as they say legs. I didn't. In fact, 455 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure exactly what I had said. The game 456 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: is right, the game is on tape, so dry to 457 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: night we had to stay and do the eight o'clock 458 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: game Sweden Finland in case the tape machine broke. So 459 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: everybody else's back at the hotel, and when I wanted 460 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: to the hotel and everyone's in the bar, like eleven fifteen, 461 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: we're finally done for the night, and everybody's celebrated and excited, 462 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: and everybody would come up to me at the end 463 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: and go, oh my god, that was great. Wall I'm thinking, uh, yeah, 464 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: I kind of think I remember saying something about a miracle, 465 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: but I had no idea what they were really talking 466 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 1: about until they kept playing it back to me obviously 467 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: at that point, and I thought, well, I think, yeah, 468 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: I guess that's one way to put it. But so 469 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: so Colin. The thing you have to remember, too, is 470 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: that if you're doing a Super Bowl or another game, 471 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: you can't say something like that because you know the 472 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: crowd is half here, half there, there's a certain person 473 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: is rooting, you know, for one team in percentage. This 474 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: was the one time, the one time when ninety nine 475 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: point nine percent of your audience is going one way 476 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: and the only the only people going the other way 477 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: are KGB agents. Yes, somewhere Alexander salts and eats and 478 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: was pissed off right exactly. And just one other addendum 479 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: to that, Bob Verdie who wrote to the Chicago Tribute 480 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: and had one of the great leads of all time. 481 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: And then eighty four Olympics. Fast forward, we go to Sarajevo, Yugoslavia. 482 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: ABC puts a lot of eggs in the hockey basket, thinking, 483 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: you know, can they do it again? Not that you 484 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: could have ever recreated that to begin with, but we 485 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: go there and the first game for the US team 486 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: is against Canada and they lose like five to two. 487 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: Bob Verdie in the Chicago Tribune. His lead the next 488 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: day was Dave Line, Sarajevo, do you believe in the 489 00:28:49,880 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: Buckles Classic? All right? Mike silver co third All Things 490 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: Possible with Kurt Warner, which became the basis for the 491 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: movie American Underdog, which is opening Christmas Day, and it's 492 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: going to do huge, huge numbers. I mean not Spider 493 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: Man numbers. Spider Man like like broke the Internet, broke 494 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: the movie theaters and as somebody, Derek Thompson's a very 495 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: funny fall, a very smart guy from the Atlantic. He said, 496 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: Spider Man making two hundred and seventy million at the 497 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: box office in this era of movies is like Pedro 498 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: Martinez having an ear at one five during the steroid era. 499 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 1: So let me start. Let me start with this. I 500 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: am I like analytics, but I do think there are 501 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: moments that are situational. I think fourth and four is 502 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: hard against a good defense if you're Aaron Rodgers. So 503 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: there are moments. You know, the Chargers before half, I 504 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: would have probably kicked the field goal there. But the 505 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: rest time I'm for it. I'm for going. We used 506 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: to celebrate coaches who had the guts to go for it. 507 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: Now we kill them. But I agreed, and my theory 508 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: on the Ravens Packers was this mic that Packer defense 509 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: was on the field a lot in the fourth and 510 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: couldn't stop him. So I get a gas defense for 511 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: one play against the guy who can score on script 512 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: off script, I agreed with hardball. I agreed with the 513 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: two weeks ago when you did it against the Steelers 514 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: and said so publicly. And so a few caveats. First 515 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: of all, you and I would agree on this. You 516 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: have to decide what you feel before the outcome reveals itself. 517 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: So you and I like it, and we like it 518 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: regardless of outcome. Secondly, you know that game wasn't over 519 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: if they make that two point conversion. There were forty 520 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: two seconds ago and they had a time out. In 521 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and you could ask the Niners you know, 522 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: not over I would say this analytics, and I'm not 523 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: an analytics guy. I'm not saying I'm anti I'm just 524 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: saying I don't study it, like I don't know it 525 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: out on it, But analytics would tell you to go 526 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: for two down fourteen when you score the first touchdown, 527 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: and I believe it has a lot to you know. 528 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: The non analytics way of saying it is you'd rather 529 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: know first and if you make then you know you've 530 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: got the upper hand, and if you miss it, you 531 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: know you got to go for two anyway the next time. 532 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: So I was I actually said to my sons, who 533 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: are big Packer fans who I was watching with, they 534 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: should go for two now. And you know, at the time, 535 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: I you know, the one thing analytics can't tell you, 536 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: And then I trust a good head coach, especially a 537 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: veteran like John Arbat to understand, is the psychology of 538 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: your team in that moment. And you can make a 539 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: case that two weeks removed from that crushing situation against 540 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: the Steelers where you go for two and you don't 541 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: make it, and it made sense at the time with 542 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: their DBS out, and now you've done something special with 543 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: all your dvs out and with Tyler Huntley and not 544 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: labar that psychologically you want to give your team a 545 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: sense that we're still in this. We're going overtime if 546 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 1: we could stop Aaron Rodgers, and we're going to extend this. 547 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: But you know, I agree with you say with stailing, 548 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm never going to be the the old you know, 549 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: grumpy guy who wants prouded coaches to be more aggressive 550 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: and is now like you, jarbar you, how dare you 551 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: don't take abat risk? And also when you have a 552 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: mobile quarterback, to me, that two point scenario feels different. Yep. 553 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: And I said, you have a Hall of Fame tight 554 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: end and Mark Andrews, who's a nightmare disadvantage for the Packers. 555 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: And you know it also matters we're four hours into 556 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: a game and the defense is gaffed and we're just 557 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: on the field and chasing around Tyler Honley. So all 558 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: those situational things, I thought it was a good call. 559 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: So I want to throw this at you. Most of 560 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: the NFL was rooting against Urban Meyer. Most NFL people 561 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 1: look at college football is sort of JV football. We 562 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: saw Spurrier flame out, Lou Holtz like Urban Meyer quit, 563 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino quit. Most of these guys don't work. Pete 564 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: Carroll had an NFL history before college. You know, Jimmy Johnson, 565 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: even though it hadn't been to the NFL, had gone 566 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: to camps, wanted to be an NFL guy. Urban. Yes, yeah, 567 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: so Urban told me a year ago, a year before 568 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: he took the job. He goes, I never even watched 569 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: the NFL, And I remember telling one of my bosses 570 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 1: at Fox, I'm like, when I heard rumors he would 571 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: go to the NFL, I'm like, he doesn't have any contacts, 572 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Like you gotta have contacts. So I thought Jacksonville was 573 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: the perfect place for him if he was going to succeed. 574 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: It's a college town. I'm like, this is perfect. He's 575 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: got a fan base built, and he's got Trevor Lawrence. 576 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 1: It's a goofy division, there's no dominant quarterback. And then 577 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: it just unraveled. Are you surprised his mistakes were so 578 00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: collegiate and so dumb? The IOWA strength coach tebow like, 579 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: you're probably not surprised by any of it. Well, I'm 580 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: surprised by the just complete train wreck element of it 581 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: and the mistakes were collegiate, but they were arrogant, and 582 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: so I would say, I think people in the media 583 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: and people in the business, are you say rooting for 584 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: I think our guards are up for different reasons. I 585 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: think in the media we say these people are used 586 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: to being emperor. It's the same thing. I think media 587 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: people think when a Belichick disciple who thinks if you 588 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: just act like Bill you will win, comes in, it's 589 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: the same. It's it's you know. Famously, Nick Saban, while 590 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: he was at the Dolphins one morning, came in and 591 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: a woman who worked outside of football saw him and said, oh, 592 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: your hair, Your hair looks good. Coach. He had gotten 593 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,919 Speaker 1: a haircut. A memo went out later that day that said, 594 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: you are not to speak to coach Saban, he addresses 595 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: you first, unless you're in football. So it's that sense 596 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: that these guys are so used to being in charge 597 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: and they just can't handle the heat, whether it's media 598 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: questioning or hey, your hair looks good. So that's that's 599 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: one side of it, and urban that certainly seemed to 600 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: apply to him. But I think coaches and people, personnel, 601 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: people on people in the business, and this goes back 602 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: to what you talked about their guards are up for 603 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: other reasons. Now, when Tebomania was happening in the NFL, 604 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: I remember a very respected personnel guy in the NFL, 605 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: one of the top gms at the time, called me 606 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: and said, you've seen this Urban Meyer quote, and I said, huh. 607 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: He said, he just said that the reason Tim Tebow 608 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 1: hasn't succeeded in the NFL is that nobody has understood 609 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: how to use it. And he was like, really, you 610 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: really think you know how to use Tim Tebow, but 611 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: no one in the NFL, these coaches has figured it out. 612 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: And this might have been after tibo Mania when he 613 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: was watching out or before, and so I think there's 614 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: also that whole Yeah, he doesn't have any contacts, he 615 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: doesn't really watch the NFL, but he came in thinking like, 616 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, how hard could it be? And I think 617 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 1: Spurrier had a little element of that like Harmon by 618 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 1: the way. By the way, Charlie Weiss from the NFL 619 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 1: to College had that at Notre Dame right right. And 620 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,720 Speaker 1: Harbaugh knew how hard it was because he was captain 621 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: cubback and understood it. So I think, you know, that's 622 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: part of what you saw and from what I reported 623 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: in October early October, and what and what I was 624 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: told is that he came in in that building disparaging 625 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 1: other coaches, the players, the NFL in general, ripping the league. 626 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: And so I think you add that to the bucket. 627 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,960 Speaker 1: But with all of that said, yeah, I'm surprised the 628 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: guy won a ton of games. He was really good 629 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: coach at Utah. He was a champion coach at Florida 630 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: and Ohio State. And you know, you would think that 631 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: you would at least take a team with Trevor Lawrence 632 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: and you know, some enthusiasm and some accomplished coaches on 633 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: that staff and make them a little more competitive. All right. 634 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: The movie is called American Underdog. It opens Christmas Day. 635 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: It's a book that Mike Silver wrote with Kurt Warner, 636 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: like years and years and years ago. And so give 637 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: me this. When did somebody, because it takes a long 638 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: time to get movies made. Was it three or four 639 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,399 Speaker 1: years ago? Somebody approached you and said, hey, this book 640 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: would make a great Christmas movie. We'll call it. It's amazing. 641 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: So I have this framed article up here. It just 642 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: happens to be one of the things in my office 643 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,200 Speaker 1: but it's a it's a Sports Illustrated try to see there. 644 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: It's a Sports Illustrated cover story that I wrote off 645 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: of Super Bowl thirty four when Kurt was the MVP 646 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: and for the touchdown past Isaac Bruce and they stopped 647 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: the Titans on the one yard line. That was his 648 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: first year as a starter, his breakthrough year. I had 649 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: gone out and written the story in week four or 650 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: five that had the cover who is this guy? And 651 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,280 Speaker 1: when he was just tearing up the league out of nowhere. 652 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: In the lead to that story, I literally say it's 653 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: I say, it's a story that has been called too schewalty, 654 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: even for Hollywood. So I stand corrected first of all, 655 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: and you know, but it did take a long time. 656 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, I always knew, like, this story is crazy. 657 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: It's unprecedented in the NFL and even in major professional sports, 658 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,359 Speaker 1: you know, to have a guy who you know, there 659 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,800 Speaker 1: was family tragedy, there were other things going on, but 660 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: he was literally stocking supermarket shelves at the High V 661 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,880 Speaker 1: grocery store out of college in Iowa for minimum wage 662 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: on the graveyard shift and telling guys, yeah, man, I 663 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: could be an NFL you know guy, And they were like, yeah, 664 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: you know, like you would expect. And five years later 665 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: he was not just like a good NFL quarterback, but 666 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: like space Age good tearing up the league. So it 667 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: is a crazy story, and I guess that's you know, 668 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: I purposely didn't see the movie until the premiere and 669 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,719 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I remember thinking, you know, as 670 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: I've watching it, like god, this is corny, but it's 671 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: the truth. It's faithful to the book, like it really 672 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 1: that it is a corny story, but it's a nice story. 673 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: And you know, Kurtis Green, I worked with him for 674 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: eight years of NFL Network. He's a good, good person. Him, 675 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: Brett have been through a lot. They've done it the 676 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: right way. And I think people I think it's a 677 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: nice movie. I think people like it. I'm gonna watch it. 678 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 1: You should be really proud. Yeah, there are very few 679 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 1: sports writers in my life or media people that have 680 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: done this. I mean, it's a really big accomplishment. You 681 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: should have a bobble of crystal with your wife up 682 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: a napper. Whatever you very talented, smart people do with 683 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: your lives in Northern California, you should be very proud 684 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 1: of yourself. We're gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna take your 685 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, well intentioned statement and turn it into a threat. 686 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 1: And that's you and I are going to celebrate with 687 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: our wives at a very night there we go, you know, 688 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: and we'll get some bottles of whatever we're in the 689 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 1: mood for. And uh, yeah, I know that's it. It's 690 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: really cool. I mean. And to answer your earlier question, yeah, 691 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: got optioned a few times over the years. It's been 692 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,680 Speaker 1: a few years in the making, but you know, I 693 00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 1: credit these filmmakers for believing it. And I know Kurt 694 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: had a lot to do with how the story got shaped. 695 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I know Kurt. You know, back in 696 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: two thousand and at odd he was very overt about 697 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: his religious faith and it kind of freaked some people out. 698 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,880 Speaker 1: You know, he and brend are a lot different. I know, 699 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: they still are very very you know, have strong convictions 700 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: and believe in in, you know, some very very good things, 701 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: but they're much less eager to shout it from the rooftops. 702 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, the people will find 703 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: the movie reflects that, and I think that's by design. 704 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: All right, let's speak in Chad Melbourne. Time for Sharper 705 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: Square listen. I've had a miserable year and I'm okay 706 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: with it. I really am okay with it. I got 707 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 1: my booster shot this week. I don't even have a 708 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: sore arm omicron. I'm not afraid of it. I'm going 709 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: to hit it head on. I got my Christmas shopping done. 710 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with you. My life has been 711 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 1: so good. This year has been so full of joy. 712 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna live with my crappy picks, keep doing sharp 713 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: and square, and I'm okay with it. Do you know 714 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: what's interesting. I've had a pretty good year. I got 715 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: my booster. Things worked out well with Action, and yet 716 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,600 Speaker 1: the loss is hurt as much like I wake up 717 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 1: on Monday mornings sometime and or specifically, last Friday, I 718 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,040 Speaker 1: was the charters plus three and a half was probably 719 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: one of my biggest bets of the year against the Chiefs. 720 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: There wasn't any point in that game where I thought, oh, 721 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: I'm not going to win this bet until overtime. Right yeah, 722 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: And as well as things are going, I got a 723 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: great life, right we sold Action. I love my job, 724 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: I love the people I work with. My family's amazing, 725 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: they're healthy. All things good we've had like working with 726 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 1: the volume this year for Action has been amazing. The 727 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,080 Speaker 1: favorites has blown up, like all these great things. I 728 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: wake up Friday morning and it took me like forty 729 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: eight hours before I could talk about it. That's what 730 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: That's what it does. It that's what it does. It's 731 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: the juice. We kind of need it. It keeps us humble. 732 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,880 Speaker 1: It's the juice. But also, like you, I just like 733 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: to be right. And in this business we're in, we 734 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 1: publicly stake acclaim, we say this is the side, and 735 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,359 Speaker 1: there have been so many times this year where we've 736 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 1: been right right. We talked about it last week, we 737 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,080 Speaker 1: talked about Colts and the Patriots. You wanted to go Patriots. 738 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to go Colts, And I felt great because 739 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: even though I was winning money on it, I felt 740 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: better that there was public vindication and like that's that's 741 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: just part of the game. That's it. So sharper square. 742 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 1: I want to take the Patriots minus two and a 743 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: half hosting the Bills. Why Bill Belichick after a loss? Um, 744 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: they're back home. Buffalo still doesn't run the football. Buffalo 745 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: will have a little revenge. I don't feel strongly about it, 746 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: but it feels like the markets telling me at minus 747 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: two and a half not three, to take New England, 748 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,240 Speaker 1: so I'd take them. Sharper Square, This is a pros 749 00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: Joe's game. Bets are coming in on the Pats about 750 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,160 Speaker 1: fifty seven percent of the bets sixty one percent of 751 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: the money coming in and the Bills. That tells you 752 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: that the professionals are betting on the Bills. They have 753 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,839 Speaker 1: this power rated at pick, so you're getting about two 754 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: and a half points of value. You're getting in Josh Allen, 755 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,719 Speaker 1: a better playmaking quarterback. You're getting weather that is not 756 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: expected to be your typical late December New England sort 757 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: of shit show for lack of a better term, and 758 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: that kind of matchup favors the Bills in his speed 759 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 1: and skill perspective. So sharp side is the Bills, my friend. 760 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,919 Speaker 1: That's a good question. How about this one? Dolphins plus 761 00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: three at the Saints. A little over zealous people are 762 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: because the Saint shut out Tom Brady. Dolphins right now 763 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: are a more consistent team. I'm getting points. It's one 764 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:13,400 Speaker 1: of my favorite bets. Sharper Square. This is one in 765 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,719 Speaker 1: my favorite bet, totally sharp. I bet this at three 766 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,960 Speaker 1: and a half. It opened at three and a half, 767 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: it's been bent down to three. It's headed at two 768 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: and a half. Get it while you can. You should 769 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: like Miami here. The Saints are overinflated even at that 770 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: half point, from three and a half down to three 771 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: because of that win against the Bucks. One wise guy 772 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,360 Speaker 1: I talked to said he liked Miami at any number 773 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: over plus one and a half. So you still got 774 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: a little time to get it, but the number is shrinking. 775 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: Brown's plus seven and a half at green Bay. Cleveland 776 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: is far more desperate. They get most of their team back. 777 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: You know, green Bay is an interesting team, outplayed by 778 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: Cincinnati this year. Chicago stayed cloth had to come from 779 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: behind in the last minute against San Francisco. Green Bay 780 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,879 Speaker 1: is a good team, still banged up. They'll probably win. 781 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: I'll take Cleveland plus seven and a half. Sharper square. 782 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,840 Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent of the money, not the bets. The 783 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,480 Speaker 1: money money is an indication of what professionals are doing. 784 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:28,280 Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent is on the Packers. It's no surprise 785 00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: the line has moved a touch in their direction. Hey, 786 00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,320 Speaker 1: there's not a ton of faith in Baker if he 787 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,000 Speaker 1: even is going to play. We don't know Miles Garrett 788 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,759 Speaker 1: now questionable with a groin he injured on Monday night. 789 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: We expect regression from the Packers because they've been incredibly 790 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: good against the spread this year at a space that 791 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: is unsustainable. But they did just not cover a game 792 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: against the Ravens, so some of the air is out 793 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: of that expected regression. You won't find a ton of 794 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,680 Speaker 1: pros you in this one, largely because we have so 795 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: much limited infoe on who will be playing for Cleveland. 796 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: And one thing that they are talking about is that 797 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: even if Cleveland does go full strength, they haven't practiced 798 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,560 Speaker 1: together in a while. And the Packers, like you say 799 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: they're banged up, relatively healthy right like they are getting 800 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: practice time together, they have been playing together. So you're 801 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: not sure what you're getting in a Browns team right now. 802 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know the Miles Garrett information. Why didn't I 803 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: know that? Had I told me that, I would have 804 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,280 Speaker 1: taken Green Bay. It looked like he shredded his groin 805 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: on Monday night, like he was barely walking, so I 806 00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: would be concerned about his ability to play, all right. 807 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,880 Speaker 1: Check it out the Volume Sports. Go to our YouTube channel, 808 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: click and subscribe. Also, you know ig rate review subscribe. 809 00:47:47,719 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: Happy holidays, folks. The volume