Speaker 1: But if I'm just this child star, they like burst
Speaker 1: out laughing. They're like curly. Nobody knows who you.
Speaker 2: Are, evening everyone. Greg here bringing you the second episode
Speaker 2: in this brand new series. Thanks for all your kind
Speaker 2: comments about the podcast kicking off again. We started major
Speaker 2: with Kevin Parker from Tame in Parlor last week and
Speaker 2: we're staying major for tonight's guest Carlie ray Jepson. We'll
Speaker 2: get into the chat in just a moment. But the
Speaker 2: past decade, well more than the past decade, has been
Speaker 2: quite a ride for the Canadian artist. I'm massively skimming
Speaker 2: over this quickly, but from appearing on Canadian Idol back
Speaker 2: in the early days to the release of Call Me
Speaker 2: Maybe You'll Definitely Know That one, a worldwide number one too,
Speaker 2: collaborating with Justin Bieber all the way through to Jack
Speaker 2: Antonof and then in Motion, the album released in summer
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, hugely critically acclaimed an amazing record, It ended
Speaker 2: up on a bunch of the recent Best of the
Speaker 2: Decade lists in some very notable places, and then Onto
Speaker 2: dedicated her fourth album, which was out last year twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: She followed that up with a huge headline tour. As
Speaker 2: for myself, I had a total moment watching Carli for
Speaker 2: the first time at a festival last summer. As you're
Speaker 2: about to hear, I met up with Carlie in London
Speaker 2: in February, just before Valentine's Day. That's relevant because she
Speaker 2: was just about to share her latest single, Let's Be Friends,
Speaker 2: a sort of anti Valentine's Day anthem, as she puts it.
Speaker 2: At that point, she was part way through a bunch
Speaker 2: of shows happening throughout Europe and loads of topics covered.
Speaker 2: We talked about her position as an artist who brings
Speaker 2: together fans of all types of music, how she whittles
Speaker 2: two hundred odd songs that she writes down to a
Speaker 2: dozen or so for each new project she releases, and
Speaker 2: we talked about her parallel work in musical theater. She
Speaker 2: starred in Cinderella and in Greece in the and maybe
Speaker 2: she'll write her own. Who knows interesting to hear her
Speaker 2: talk about her plans on that So here it is.
Speaker 2: This is Carlie Ray Jebson on episode eighty seven of
Speaker 2: Midnight Chats. I remember if you like what you hear,
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Speaker 2: make this podcast. Carlie, welcome to Midnight Chats. It's a
Speaker 2: pleasure to have you on our podcast.
Speaker 1: There is my pleasure. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: How are you doing today?
Speaker 3: I'm good, I'm good. I'm a little like jet legged,
Speaker 3: but that's not unusual for me.
Speaker 2: How if you found any tricks to sort of cope
Speaker 2: with that over the years, because obviously you'd have kind
Speaker 2: of been criscrossing the world doing touring and everything else.
Speaker 2: So like, are there any little hints or things that
Speaker 2: have like picked up along the way that just help
Speaker 2: you ever overcome that? Or is it just like no,
Speaker 2: you just succme to the jack.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, me and sleep just aren't friends lately. I
Speaker 1: don't know what to I have tried.
Speaker 3: I have like read books on it, Like, how do
Speaker 3: you what are some sleep tricks apparently have to have
Speaker 3: like the right temperature in the room, it's good to
Speaker 3: have a shower and not too hot of a shower.
Speaker 1: I've tried it all.
Speaker 3: I just come to terms with the fact that I'm
Speaker 3: a little bit of an enzomiac.
Speaker 2: On their tips along the lines of what to do
Speaker 2: when you're actually flying, like don't eat meals when you're
Speaker 2: flying in the air, and then when you get to
Speaker 2: the place where you're going, you should automatically try and
Speaker 2: sort of fit into the Say, if you land at breakfast,
Speaker 2: the first thing you should have is breakfast and then
Speaker 2: try and resume your routine or whatever.
Speaker 1: There are tricks to that.
Speaker 3: I think my theory on the travel side of the
Speaker 3: eating sleeping stuff, because of the inzomia sometimes is just
Speaker 3: sleep when you can eat when you're hungry.
Speaker 1: Try to get on board for the city that you're.
Speaker 3: In as soon as you can acclimate yourself. Great, but
Speaker 3: you know, it's never unmanageable. I think the worst I
Speaker 3: can go is like three days where I'm having trouble
Speaker 3: sleeping in and then the worst case scenarios that I
Speaker 3: get really giggly, or you might say something that I
Speaker 3: think is like going to make me cry.
Speaker 1: It's one of what emotion or the other it's.
Speaker 2: Certain to happen, and also it happens whilst you're traveling
Speaker 2: as well. Like I think Paddington I had me in
Speaker 2: floods of tears.
Speaker 3: You can't watch email movies or cute ones, no, no
Speaker 3: dead dogs, exactly.
Speaker 1: Stay away from all of the above.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Just stick with a kind of just a
Speaker 2: Marvel action film, just like let's keep.
Speaker 1: Things, you know, you know, something like that.
Speaker 2: Nothing that's not going to take you on too much
Speaker 2: an emotional yeah, exactly. I want to start this podcast
Speaker 2: by taking it back to a particularly joyful moment for me,
Speaker 2: which came at the start of last summer. I was
Speaker 2: at the Premium Ery Sound festival in Barcelona. You were
Speaker 2: there too, and I was with a group of friends.
Speaker 2: We were watching you play. That was the first time
Speaker 2: I've ever seen you play live. It was just a
Speaker 2: particularly amazing moment for that weekend because for people that
Speaker 2: haven't visited that festival, it's kind of held on the
Speaker 2: outskirts of Barcelona. On one side of the stage, you've
Speaker 2: got this Barcelona skyline and on the other you've got
Speaker 2: the Mediterranean Sea. It's very idyllic, you know, when you
Speaker 2: go to a festival and there's usually kind of one
Speaker 2: moment that just becomes like this indelible thing that you
Speaker 2: will kind of talk about for the ages and months afterwards.
Speaker 2: And it was your set up in Riviera Sound Really
Speaker 2: do you remember that show? Was it?
Speaker 3: Was? It?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I remember that show for lots of reasons. I feel
Speaker 3: like we had had an incredible time in Barcelona to
Speaker 3: begin with, and then getting to arrive at that stage,
Speaker 3: Like you said, that venue, if you can call it
Speaker 3: a venue, it was just like outdoor and you can
Speaker 3: see sort of from my perspective, just seeing this crowd
Speaker 3: of people in the ocean and the sunset was just
Speaker 3: like a very very magical day. And on top of it,
Speaker 3: they gave me free sunglasses. So I'm pretty stoked I'm
Speaker 3: going to.
Speaker 2: Come back and do this. Yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 2: just sort of like the perfect moment because it was
Speaker 2: at sunset cool, and so that the first half of
Speaker 2: the set was in daylight and then the kind of
Speaker 2: sun came down. What's going through your mind when you're
Speaker 2: on stage? Do you just in the moment, like did
Speaker 2: you mind go blank? Or do you have things run
Speaker 2: into your mind?
Speaker 1: Oh? Good question.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's the exact same formula for
Speaker 3: every show, but in this particular one, if I'm jogging
Speaker 3: my memory, right, I can, I just remember it being
Speaker 3: really one of those sort of like pinch yourself moments,
Speaker 3: because I mean, as much as I've performed in Barcelona before,
Speaker 3: I hadn't really done the festival of this nature, and
Speaker 3: I feel like I still have those like insecurities right
Speaker 3: before you go on stage of like is anyone going
Speaker 3: to be digging in any of this?
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
Speaker 3: So to kind of get to perform to a crowd
Speaker 3: and to see everyone kind of dancing and singing along
Speaker 3: that with that blew my mind and then I think
Speaker 3: I just got to and enjoyed the euphoria of the moment.
Speaker 2: You kind of reference it there that a festival like
Speaker 2: Prema Various Sound, like going back a few years would
Speaker 2: have been considered like a kind of old rock festival.
Speaker 2: That would have been the sort of stuff that they booked.
Speaker 2: They're a lot more diverse now. But there was a
Speaker 2: beautiful moment during your set where I turned around and
Speaker 2: not that I have a kind of tight cast view
Speaker 2: of what a Kylie Ray Jebson fan necessarily looks like,
Speaker 2: but there was a guy wearing a Slayer T shirt
Speaker 2: who was absolutely going nuts, and I just thought this
Speaker 2: is perfect. Over the years, have you noticed the type
Speaker 2: of people that come to your shows or the type
Speaker 2: of people that you see out there and enjoying your music?
Speaker 2: Has that evolved? Has that changed in any way?
Speaker 1: Strangely enough?
Speaker 3: If I were to say, like one sort of description
Speaker 3: is its always just been beautifully diverse. Like I when
Speaker 3: somebody has asked me a like, what is your fan base?
Speaker 1: Like what is it? This age? Is it? You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of just it's.
Speaker 3: Always surprised me that I don't know how to answer that,
Speaker 3: And I think that's what I really have found I
Speaker 3: love about kind of getting to perform to these crowds,
Speaker 3: is you feel like none of these people might have.
Speaker 1: Come together otherwise, So I just get to be.
Speaker 3: Kind of like, I don't know the conductor of the
Speaker 3: thing in a fun way, and it just it becomes
Speaker 3: a party, which I never thought I would be able
Speaker 3: to be in this position.
Speaker 1: To say, but it's kind of takes me. I know,
Speaker 1: you have the room sometimes just like.
Speaker 3: Takes over in a way that I that I love
Speaker 3: and I'm just kind of caught.
Speaker 2: Up in There are many artists that I can think
Speaker 2: of that could go from playing Premaerio sound to I
Speaker 2: don't know, playing like like I could easily see playing
Speaker 2: like Manchester, Bright and Pride or something like that the
Speaker 2: next day.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, it's diverse. There are not many artists
Speaker 2: that can do that. So do you how do you
Speaker 2: feel about that position of being able to adopt these
Speaker 2: different not tribes because people, like I say, I think
Speaker 2: it feels a lot more diverse these days, and people
Speaker 2: are a little bit less tribalistic about the music they like.
Speaker 2: But you can slot into these different modes almost, can't you.
Speaker 3: I think at some point, like the main goal from
Speaker 3: me was about really embracing what it was that I
Speaker 3: loved about pop because whenever people say pop in the
Speaker 3: past that there was always like hand in hand with
Speaker 3: that that's saying guilty pleasure, And I'm like, if it
Speaker 3: actually makes you feel happy, way you feel weird about it?
Speaker 3: Like where is the guilt coming from? I think there's something.
Speaker 1: That I like that I find kind of feeds my
Speaker 1: soul about it.
Speaker 3: It's a really communal kind of form of music, so yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm answering your question right, but
Speaker 3: I think when I'm getting to kind of jump from
Speaker 3: like one room to a different room, and it feels
Speaker 3: like the people who are just have embraced the pop
Speaker 3: that they love and that I get to be a
Speaker 3: part of that, and it makes me really very lucky.
Speaker 2: That evening as well, I've seen something at a gig
Speaker 2: that I've never seen before, probably will never see since
Speaker 2: somebody in the crowd was waving like a French baguet
Speaker 2: in the sky and I was rewatching the clip recently
Speaker 2: and I thought, that's a that's a French burget. Somebody's
Speaker 2: waving in the crowd. I thought all the things that
Speaker 2: you've never seen somebody at a festival with, you know,
Speaker 2: like yes, like flags, yes, inflatable swords like everything like yeah,
Speaker 2: And I just thought, well, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 2: know that how any significance the bagett.
Speaker 1: I have missed the baggett. I wish I hadn't. I
Speaker 1: love random weird shit like that, but yeah, No, I feel.
Speaker 3: Like there's been so many laughs along this journey, just
Speaker 3: with like their fans are so inventive and really engaged
Speaker 3: and from memes to just like the sword thing you mentioned.
Speaker 1: It's just it feels like every couple of.
Speaker 3: Weeks there's a new thing that it has me in
Speaker 3: the Bandboy, it's just like chuckling of like this is
Speaker 3: so bizarre and I love it and it makes it
Speaker 3: makes you.
Speaker 1: You have to smile.
Speaker 2: Have you ever been handed anything else on stage where
Speaker 2: you've just been like, oh, I'm surprised you've given me that,
Speaker 2: but thanks very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I mean I've been given like ladies bras before, which
Speaker 3: is always a little.
Speaker 1: Bit like it's not like more like for like rockstars,
Speaker 1: but like, sure, I'll take it. It's a double D.
Speaker 1: Not gonna fit me, but thank you.
Speaker 3: Sometimes people like like, we've had some strange ones. Sometimes
Speaker 3: in the middle of the show, people will like hand
Speaker 3: you their phone because they want you to like take
Speaker 3: this selfie.
Speaker 1: That's not I guess that unusual. But yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I had one guy hand me his CD demo. Really
Speaker 1: take a little It was like, this is my show
Speaker 1: settled out?
Speaker 2: Ending to that story is I listened to it. I
Speaker 2: thought it was great. We signed him and.
Speaker 1: Now he's yeah, yeah exactly. That's how.
Speaker 2: Is there anywhere that you've ever played where you kind
Speaker 2: of thought, oh no, this isn't like I'm the sort
Speaker 2: of wrong fit for this moment, or i just feel
Speaker 2: like out of step with what's going on. Does that
Speaker 2: still does that happen as well?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: I think that happened recently at a festival. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to picture where it was exactly, but it was a
Speaker 3: festival and it was like midday and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of college students and they had done a ton of
Speaker 3: drugs and they were marsh pudding.
Speaker 1: They were marsh pudding, and I was looking at my team.
Speaker 3: Like, how are they going to digest this? Like how
Speaker 3: are they going to digest my music right now? Like
Speaker 3: I feel like they want something completely different, and they're like.
Speaker 1: Well, like, just give it a girl.
Speaker 3: It's like, all right, guys, we're just gonna pretend like
Speaker 3: they love it even if they don't.
Speaker 1: Let's go. And sure enough we ran out there and.
Speaker 3: They like were so out of it that they just
Speaker 3: embraced anything you gave them, Thank god. But it was
Speaker 3: still like a moment of like, I'm pretty sure one
Speaker 3: of us is not like the others right now, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: they were just having a way too good of a time.
Speaker 2: They're like circle pits during your set.
Speaker 3: And they were doing I don't know what it is
Speaker 3: where you like spin and certain an old lady.
Speaker 2: Like a slipnoll game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: There it was like like if.
Speaker 3: You were to put the camera on the audience and
Speaker 3: to guess who is playing right now, no one would
Speaker 3: have panned left to me, no one. And yet there
Speaker 3: we were singing I Really like you and they were
Speaker 3: marching hard.
Speaker 2: I feel that like this should have been a viral.
Speaker 1: We had some laughs afterwards, for sure.
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that like nothing just landed on stage
Speaker 2: like that doesn't seem to be a thing anymore. Like
Speaker 2: when I first started going to festivals when I was
Speaker 2: like a teenager, but if there was somebody booked to
Speaker 2: play a festival, that festivals were much less diverse than
Speaker 2: it was, like you know, you're going to a rock
Speaker 2: festival or you were going to a metal festival. I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't know what your first experiences are going to
Speaker 2: festivals was like, but that felt like it had like
Speaker 2: one type of music. I don't think it really happens
Speaker 2: like that anymore, or not so much. At least some
Speaker 2: poor artists certainly that I've been in the crowd for
Speaker 2: that have taken you know, all sorts of stuff is
Speaker 2: landing on stage. Yeah, yeah, oh they are like particularly
Speaker 2: famous incidents that like, particularly like the Reading Festival in
Speaker 2: the UK has had that a few times. And yeah,
Speaker 2: people getting like pretty unpleasant stuff thrown at them. But
Speaker 2: I'm glad to say that I don't think that really
Speaker 2: happens anymore, so like.
Speaker 1: The old school, like tomato now, I hope not.
Speaker 2: Worse than a tomato.
Speaker 1: I don't want to know. Do you want to know?
Speaker 2: You have to tell you just likes of unidentified liquid
Speaker 2: shore we say, yeah, And like deck chairs, I've seen
Speaker 2: a deck chair land on stage with a Reading festival
Speaker 2: somebody through like anything that you would go camping with
Speaker 2: that you could maybe take into the arena, and then
Speaker 2: when the band is playing or the artist.
Speaker 1: Is playing that they try to take them out pretty much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like there's one particularly famous example of an
Speaker 2: artist called Daphine Celeste, who were a pop duo British
Speaker 2: who played the Reading Vessel in the early two thousands,
Speaker 2: and they were on a bill with regigainst the Machine
Speaker 2: and Blink One It too, And I think maybe you
Speaker 2: slip not the headline in that night, and they performed
Speaker 2: this set as kind of a dare because they were like, no, no,
Speaker 2: we'll do this, and like then the audience took that
Speaker 2: as a challenge and they ended up throwing stuff at them,
Speaker 2: and there's a really famous.
Speaker 1: Of this show.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: But I totally stand by Daphine celest but turning up
Speaker 2: and doing the gig and being there and doing it.
Speaker 3: I was show up with one of those like you know,
Speaker 3: those like police screen guards, and I would just like
Speaker 3: sing the whole thing from behind it just looking, you know.
Speaker 2: He was like one of those Perspec screens they put
Speaker 2: in front of the drum kit, but just like a
Speaker 2: really big one. So when they throw anything.
Speaker 1: Back can become like modern art.
Speaker 3: You can just have like the splash video idea idea
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 2: So we talk a little bit in a minute about
Speaker 2: the new music that you've got out and also the
Speaker 2: European tour and your plans for twenty twenty. But before
Speaker 2: we do that, I'm interested to know, like talked a
Speaker 2: bit about Premiera in twenty nineteen. It's like that decade
Speaker 2: came to an end. Did you take a bit of
Speaker 2: a reflective moment to think about everything that had happened
Speaker 2: that decade, because it was quite a rollercoaster from you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we must all be kind of doing
Speaker 1: that right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this is like a New Year's
Speaker 3: that seems bigger than the rest of the ones in
Speaker 3: my life, but it's really been like an awakening, one
Speaker 3: of just like, holy shit, I'm flies and it's been wild,
Speaker 3: and I even think with like the kind of Instagram
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden being in your world, you
Speaker 3: can sometimes go back and be like, I'm forgetting half
Speaker 3: the things that I did, and the pace of stuff
Speaker 3: is so crazy. But I'm really proud of where we've landed.
Speaker 3: I mean that for my whole team, not just for myself.
Speaker 3: It's just been such a journey and so many lessons
Speaker 3: and kind of in my own kind of personal life,
Speaker 3: just so so many just different experiences that have led
Speaker 3: me to i think, a stronger place and a more
Speaker 3: confident place than I've ever been before. And in turn,
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm more excited than i've been maybe
Speaker 3: ever to just kind of take a sigh of relief.
Speaker 3: I feel like I've ended my feet on some solid
Speaker 3: ground and now let's create without the pressure or the
Speaker 3: panic or the what happens if I can't stay clad
Speaker 3: to this thing?
Speaker 2: Did you just take a kind of deep breath?
Speaker 1: Was it was? It was?
Speaker 2: It quite as literally as like New Year's Eve. You're
Speaker 2: just like, wow, Okay, No, No, it was drunk. I
Speaker 2: was drunk and I was dancing on New I'm imagining
Speaker 2: like tequila in hand in one hand, tequila.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thought. No, we did have a lovely
Speaker 3: New Year's Eve. Actually, my family and I we all
Speaker 3: kind of we made the most bit. We went on
Speaker 3: the rooftop at night.
Speaker 1: It was great. But no, to answer your question, it's
Speaker 1: been it's been more.
Speaker 3: Of a gradual reflection over the last kind of I
Speaker 3: think over this past month of just like I think
Speaker 3: I have like a couple of changes in like new
Speaker 3: management teamind of clearing the decks for this album and
Speaker 3: getting ready for like what's next musically and kind of
Speaker 3: rethinking how I've released stuff, and just even within my
Speaker 3: personal life my family, that just feels like we've all
Speaker 3: kind of had a good.
Speaker 1: Reconnect over Christmas.
Speaker 3: So it's just kind of that fresh energy to like, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's go take on our worlds, you know.
Speaker 2: Staying on that point of the end of twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: Lots of different places published there like best of the
Speaker 2: decade albums and tracks and everything everything else. An Emotion
Speaker 2: appeared in quite a few of those. I noticed that
Speaker 2: Time magazine put Emotion in their top ten best albums
Speaker 2: of the twenty tens, and so Emotions seemed to be
Speaker 2: one of those albums that exited that decade. Is really
Speaker 2: being considered something that encapsulated that period of music. That's
Speaker 2: the resonance that people were giving it. So how did
Speaker 2: you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Even hearing you say that, I still feel like, really, wow,
Speaker 3: that's amazing. Who I It's tricky for me because the
Speaker 3: fine balance to walk of really warranting of that sentence
Speaker 3: that you just said, feeling really good and that's so nice,
Speaker 3: But that can ever be like the full motivation in
Speaker 3: my mind, otherwise you start like creating for the wrong reason.
Speaker 3: So I think even before anyone had heard Emotion, I
Speaker 3: had to kind of figure out how I felt about
Speaker 3: it and let that be the truth. And it landed
Speaker 3: for me as just something really honest that I felt
Speaker 3: passionate about, and I was really proud of it and
Speaker 3: and happy to share it, and but I felt like
Speaker 3: whatever happens now could go either way, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just don't want to feel like it couldn't have
Speaker 3: gone the other way and that would have changed my
Speaker 3: feeling out of it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's a proper answer.
Speaker 2: If I was you, I'd be printing out those web
Speaker 2: pages and everything else, and I'd be like turning it
Speaker 2: into that customized wallpaper.
Speaker 1: And I always actually try not to read stuff.
Speaker 3: There's there's moments where you get like a weak moment
Speaker 3: and you're like, but I'll get fueled through like filters
Speaker 3: where Laura will kind of let me know, hey, are
Speaker 3: you ready to kind of see with the I'm was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know where am I? But my mom is cute.
Speaker 3: She'll just send me. She'll send me stuff and.
Speaker 1: Keep on being like, Mom, I don't want to read this.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: But she's a really good filter system because she'll only
Speaker 3: sound like the really good stuff.
Speaker 2: So it's like in the meantime, she's just like emailing
Speaker 2: like journalists has written anything negative is being.
Speaker 1: Like you guys suck, Yeah, trouble my mom, right, that's
Speaker 1: the thing that.
Speaker 2: Like, that's what hey, mums have got your back. That's
Speaker 2: the whole point of good.
Speaker 3: Make great publicists, you know who knows or terrible ones.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine working day to day with actually having
Speaker 2: like members of your family and team?
Speaker 1: No, I can't. I cannot.
Speaker 2: I mean in terms of just your formative stages of
Speaker 2: getting into music and writing your first songs. In my
Speaker 2: preparations for the research of just looking at stuff for today,
Speaker 2: I came across a couple of things, a couple of
Speaker 2: early stories which I wanted to ask about. One of
Speaker 2: them was that you wrote your first song when you
Speaker 2: were at aged nine? Is that right? And it was
Speaker 2: called They're cutting Down the Big Trees or was that
Speaker 2: was nine?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Around that time. Yeah, it was a protest song.
Speaker 2: I mean you were like, hang on, you were like
Speaker 2: twenty five thirty years ahead of just of like the
Speaker 2: climate crisis. You're out there making it any important statement.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Canada and Mission BC. My mom
Speaker 1: that was quite in the most beautiful sense of.
Speaker 3: The word, sort of a hippie and like was really
Speaker 3: talking to me about some of these events. And I
Speaker 3: think my aunt has been famously known for like chaining
Speaker 3: herself like naked to.
Speaker 1: A tree that they like it's tastes well, the more
Speaker 1: so my aunt.
Speaker 3: But my mom was kind of just informing me about things,
Speaker 3: and there was this opportunity to like print a poem
Speaker 3: in the local paper, and I I wrote a song.
Speaker 1: I think I had some help with like figuring out
Speaker 1: the chords.
Speaker 3: To it from a guy named David, And yeah, but
Speaker 3: I wrote all the lyrics, very emo song about how
Speaker 3: the trees were all going to go and how I'm
Speaker 3: just a child and everyone has to help me fight
Speaker 3: this kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It's very prophetic because like it's a terrible song.
Speaker 1: The message is great, but this song is bad. Don't
Speaker 1: get too excited.
Speaker 2: Is it looked in a safe some way?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that something still that kind of given that the
Speaker 2: climate crisis and how it's kind of rightfully kind of
Speaker 2: dominating the agenda and national conversation, now something you feel
Speaker 2: passionate about.
Speaker 1: I absolutely am passionate about it.
Speaker 3: I think when I looked to my music, though, I
Speaker 3: found a real escapist on and sort of fantasticalizing sort
Speaker 3: of my feelings about the things that are a little
Speaker 3: bit more cut and jive versus like the world issues,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't mean that that's not down the line
Speaker 3: for me in some ways.
Speaker 1: In fact, I can remember calling Tavish Crow.
Speaker 3: My guitarist late one night, being like, what if we
Speaker 3: did an entire album not about love?
Speaker 1: Like what a challenge that would be. Do you think
Speaker 1: that's something we could take on together?
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, good luck, go for it, And
Speaker 3: sure enough I picked up my guitar like all mad
Speaker 3: at him that night, being like watch this. Like with him,
Speaker 3: I started the songs about something completely different.
Speaker 1: By the end of it was just like, oh, sucker feelings.
Speaker 3: So I was just like, they keep pulling me back,
Speaker 3: But now I hear what you're saying. It is something
Speaker 3: that I it's not not important in my life and
Speaker 3: in my family's world as well, and we definitely are
Speaker 3: doing what we can, but it's it's important to realize
Speaker 3: that that's something that I could maybe be brave enough
Speaker 3: to take a stab at.
Speaker 2: In music too, it's also important to acknowledge that some
Speaker 2: people get criticized for kind of not say, having a
Speaker 2: political view in their art, when maybe that's just not
Speaker 2: the stuff that they want to be doing or that
Speaker 2: they're not naturally inclined to do, doesn't mean they don't
Speaker 2: care about those things exactly. The other story that I
Speaker 2: was going to ask about was just about how that
Speaker 2: is still at that very young age, you wanted to
Speaker 2: see success for yourself in the future, and you do
Speaker 2: you write contracts to your parents saying that you were
Speaker 2: going to hopefully one day buy them a house by
Speaker 2: the sea or something like that.
Speaker 3: My mom and my stepdad, Yeah, I did. I said
Speaker 3: that I I was going to one day help them.
Speaker 1: Well, I think with when I.
Speaker 3: Was little, I said I was going to buy them
Speaker 3: a house, but a cabin. It was a joke my
Speaker 3: mom was making me. I was saying that I was
Speaker 3: going to do all stuff and I was little. She's like, well,
Speaker 3: write it on paper. It was a wonderful later in
Speaker 3: life to be able to help in any small way.
Speaker 1: But they do have that.
Speaker 3: They've retired now, they live by the ocean and in comacs,
Speaker 3: and they're happier than I've ever seen two people be.
Speaker 3: So it's just been wild the way life has turned out.
Speaker 3: And those are the moments that you kind of just
Speaker 3: pinch yourself right.
Speaker 2: Ultimate gift in a way, isn't it to be able.
Speaker 1: To help out your family in any way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean my family's all doing really great
Speaker 3: on their own anyways. They're very accomplished people, and I'm
Speaker 3: very family rich. I've come from a great bunch of them,
Speaker 3: and we're big.
Speaker 1: They're more mighty. But yeah, you're right anytime.
Speaker 3: That there's like a little loving to be dished out
Speaker 3: in some way and it can make a difference, it really,
Speaker 3: I mean, what else is it for?
Speaker 2: Imagine in that contract up in the rule up on
Speaker 2: the wall with like Kylie a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should have framed it.
Speaker 2: Come on, yeah, exactly. To bring things up to the
Speaker 2: prisent you recently shared Let's Be Friends, which is the
Speaker 2: new track. Yes, it was that track part of the
Speaker 2: writing session, part of the kind of similar era to
Speaker 2: Dedicated that you released in twenty nineteen, and just tell
Speaker 2: me a little bit of the background around that.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was, and it was a close cut from
Speaker 3: making it on the album, but.
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure yet.
Speaker 3: It's such like almost like a bratty song, and I
Speaker 3: kind of felt like I had that with you in
Speaker 3: my room already, so I was kind of picking and
Speaker 3: choosy about it, but I was Valentine's Day around the corner.
Speaker 3: I made sense in my mind, like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: this is the song.
Speaker 1: Lauren. We started talking.
Speaker 3: About it just because I classically historically have a horrible
Speaker 3: time of Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people do. It's this great expectation.
Speaker 3: So I loved the concept of having like an anti
Speaker 3: Valentine Valentine's Day song of just like for those who
Speaker 3: actually are suffering, this one's for you. And I also
Speaker 3: loved the concept of it's usually the idea that the
Speaker 3: there's a breaker offer and the breaky and like who
Speaker 3: is going to be the one that's heartbroken? But sometimes
Speaker 3: it's like both of you just know it's not clicking.
Speaker 3: And how great to be able to have an adult
Speaker 3: enough conversation to be like, let's let's call it, let's
Speaker 3: have a friendship. Only the fact that the lie that
Speaker 3: we all have society tell each other, just like soften
Speaker 3: that blow, is that this friendship will continue.
Speaker 1: But of course it never does.
Speaker 3: So I enjoyed the idea of just being able to
Speaker 3: put it on out there of like, let's be friends
Speaker 3: and never speak again, because that's what's going to really
Speaker 3: happen here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Valensoline's stea just oh that the pressure of it just.
Speaker 3: Makes me, I know, And I would love to say
Speaker 3: that I'm one of those women who doesn't have that
Speaker 3: pressure because it's like this hallmark thing and it's this
Speaker 3: extra But then you see all the people around you
Speaker 3: being showered with it, and then there's this other feeling
Speaker 3: of like, ugh, don't do anything.
Speaker 1: But then ooh, you got me Roses, red Roses. You
Speaker 1: think I'm a red Roses girl. There's so typical, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like everyone likes I'm a more unique flower, like girls
Speaker 3: are crazy, but there's just there's no winning on that.
Speaker 2: If you ever been in a rest on Valentine's Day
Speaker 2: where it's just like exclusively couples all trying to do
Speaker 2: the same like.
Speaker 3: Valentine, know, that's just gross, right, It's just it's it's
Speaker 3: such a show of love and such a phony manner.
Speaker 3: But I mean to for the real romantics out there
Speaker 3: who have planned this and love this day.
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking it.
Speaker 3: It's just it sounds like you and me are on
Speaker 3: the same path that it's not been working for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we should say that anybody who did celebrate Valentine's Day.
Speaker 2: I hope you a really really great time, but.
Speaker 1: We hope you got from Red Roses exactly.
Speaker 2: And not all the other click stuff that you were
Speaker 2: hoping for. You're a notoriously prolific writer. You write a
Speaker 2: lot of songs in the run up to emotion. How
Speaker 2: many songs was it and then then the run up
Speaker 2: to dedicate it? I mean it was like hundreds of songs, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about two hundred both rounds.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that means that somewhere there's about three hundred
Speaker 2: and eighty Kylie way Jepson songs.
Speaker 1: I think about that a lot. It makes me sad really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, tell me a bit about that. Like those
Speaker 2: songs are, they're there, They've been kind of demo perhaps
Speaker 2: or like.
Speaker 3: Well, we produce some of them, sometimes multiple versions, sometimes
Speaker 3: multiple vocal cuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I workshop a lot of them simultaneously until it gets
Speaker 3: to a place where I feel like I can definitely
Speaker 3: make a vote and that other people can have an opinion.
Speaker 1: But some of them are like full on done, Like.
Speaker 3: I think I have this poster up in my house
Speaker 3: and it says I think I think too much. And
Speaker 3: they came after I bought it off this artist after
Speaker 3: the song too Much came out that I met in Amsterdam,
Speaker 3: And it's true, I really do love the process of songwriting,
Speaker 3: so that makes it really easy to really delve in
Speaker 3: and dive and want to travel to the places and
Speaker 3: meet that one person that I felt like I would
Speaker 3: connect with because their production was perfect for what I
Speaker 3: was trying to make. And that took me down a
Speaker 3: spiral of just both times, just having such a collection
Speaker 3: of material and so much of it was experimental that
Speaker 3: it went to that side, and then the other side
Speaker 3: was just started, like the cream started to float to
Speaker 3: the top, and I started to have a bit of
Speaker 3: an image of what I was making.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I.
Speaker 3: Wish I was one of those writers that could just
Speaker 3: go in write eight songs and be like here you
Speaker 3: go and hand it in. But I've learned to not
Speaker 3: judge my process because in all of the traveling, in
Speaker 3: all of the sessions, I always feel like I'm becoming
Speaker 3: a better writer because I'm taking away from even how
Speaker 3: other people look at music and even trying on when
Speaker 3: you're not in that prolific place of like what resources
Speaker 3: can I use here to like figure out what this
Speaker 3: melody needs or what's wrong with this song? I think
Speaker 3: it's a great passion of mine. And as you can see,
Speaker 3: I can talk tireusly about it and I just I yeah,
Speaker 3: whether that makes me nuts, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with her work, But
Speaker 2: we had an artist called Kate Tempest on the podcast
Speaker 2: not too long ago, and we were talking about a similar,
Speaker 2: similar thing, and her viewpoint on it was that she
Speaker 2: writes a lot of songs when it comes to creating
Speaker 2: a new body of work, but if it doesn't make
Speaker 2: the final cut, if it doesn't make those final ten
Speaker 2: or twelve tracks, even though those pieces of art have
Speaker 2: been made, she will never release them because looking back,
Speaker 2: she's always basically trying to capture whatever's going on in
Speaker 2: her mind right then. So she then goes to make
Speaker 2: a new album in sort of two or three years time,
Speaker 2: she's thinking, I just need to concentrate on writing something
Speaker 2: that I feel now, and I don't want to kind
Speaker 2: of pull something from the archive of you know, ten
Speaker 2: years ago to put on it. Her point was that
Speaker 2: maybe it would feel a bit out of context.
Speaker 3: I thought that way with the with the B sides
Speaker 3: of emotion, Like the night before I was going to
Speaker 3: print or whatever you want to call it, I remember
Speaker 3: calling Johnnyman my A and R at the time and saying.
Speaker 1: Abort mission, like I can't do it.
Speaker 3: The songs I've been so stale in my mind, and
Speaker 3: I'd been living with them for so long, and I
Speaker 3: was just really terrified of doing anything that was like
Speaker 3: less than my absolute best and these felt like a
Speaker 3: different period of my life.
Speaker 1: And he was like, please, Carly.
Speaker 3: We've we've done so much work, We've mixed them, like
Speaker 3: you've spent forever on this artwork, like please trust me,
Speaker 3: it will be okay, and it's B sides like no
Speaker 3: one's expecting.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, And then I did it, and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I did.
Speaker 3: And I really I had this real, great, like intense
Speaker 3: sort of anxiety fear about sharing something that wasn't exactly
Speaker 3: everything I might have wanted it to be. And in
Speaker 3: making the dedicated album already from the beginning, I was
Speaker 3: hoping that I would be able to have a B
Speaker 3: side eventually down the road too. So I feel like
Speaker 3: the B sides this time that I will be hopefully
Speaker 3: one day sharing.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Equally to the first one. I love it because I've
Speaker 3: given it the same value knowing that it was going
Speaker 3: to maybe becoming. So it's almost like a side be
Speaker 3: rather than a side two, rather than like a B sides.
Speaker 3: And I'm not so scared to share them of anything.
Speaker 3: I have the opposite feeling to her of like I
Speaker 3: will be gutted if I don't get to give these
Speaker 3: babies some life.
Speaker 2: From what you've described in the idea that maybe sometimes
Speaker 2: you're not that decisive or find it difficult to be decisive.
Speaker 2: Is that the most painful part of the process, given that,
Speaker 2: like you said, you write and you record such a
Speaker 2: volume of material and then it's like, okay, due to
Speaker 2: the format, like I'm going to have to basically choose
Speaker 2: the twelve or the fourteen or for each individual project.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a hard time that, Like not hard
Speaker 3: where I'm like tormented and the night not sleeping over that.
Speaker 3: It's more that I really go around in circles on it,
Speaker 3: and I look at it from different angles, and I
Speaker 3: ask a lot of people, which kind of messes me
Speaker 3: up to because everyone has different boddy opinions. But I
Speaker 3: think even from that process, there's like a little med
Speaker 3: science to the fact that the same six to eight
Speaker 3: start to show themselves with people who are really different
Speaker 3: in their styles of music, and that was really helpful
Speaker 3: for me. I kind of like secretly use them as
Speaker 3: my a and rs to be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: my stepmother who's like only into like Tina Turner and stuff,
Speaker 3: is into the same song that like my.
Speaker 1: Hipster bass player loves.
Speaker 3: Like that's telling to me. Let's pay attention means recent
Speaker 3: It helps.
Speaker 1: When I'm going when I think I think I'm overthinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it must be really overwhelming, definitely at that point
Speaker 2: in the process. To talk about next steps. You talked
Speaker 2: about a little bit about new music, but in the
Speaker 2: past what you've done, Like when you've made a new
Speaker 2: record and you've gone and you've played shows and you've toured,
Speaker 2: and you've also deliberately done other projects in between, people
Speaker 2: know you're working kind of musical theater, like you start
Speaker 2: on Broadway in Cinderella a few years ago, you did
Speaker 2: the Greece live production in twenty sixteen. First off, before
Speaker 2: we talk a little bit about that, your love of
Speaker 2: musical theater that goes back a long time to school days, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: is that where it all started.
Speaker 3: Yes, I grew up in Mission, BC, where there was
Speaker 3: a beautiful theater built attached to one of the high schools.
Speaker 3: So I was attending a different high school actually at
Speaker 3: the time and day where the other school with the
Speaker 3: theater was putting on the production of Annie. And this
Speaker 3: was in my grade eighth year. I went an auditioned,
Speaker 3: even though I didn't belong to the school, and I
Speaker 3: got it, and.
Speaker 1: I was so stoked. I was so hyped.
Speaker 3: But it meant that I had to like kind of
Speaker 3: be going from one school to the other. And I
Speaker 3: can remember the night of closing night of Annie. I
Speaker 3: was crying to my parents and I was.
Speaker 1: Like, what if I'm just this child star?
Speaker 3: They like burst out laughing, They're like, currently, nobody knows
Speaker 3: who you are.
Speaker 1: Like it was a high school production area I thought
Speaker 1: I was. I thought it was like the peak of
Speaker 1: my life, and maybe it was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, now I felt really in love with how
Speaker 3: comfortable I felt being on stage, which surprised everyone.
Speaker 1: I mean the most of all, because my.
Speaker 3: Father loves music, my all my family are very musical,
Speaker 3: but they're all a little like stage fright is a
Speaker 3: real thing for us. So yeah, I actually instead, I
Speaker 3: felt a real confidence that I might not have anywhere
Speaker 3: else in my life as soon as I hit the stage.
Speaker 2: And which are you more relaxed with when you go
Speaker 2: on tour? Now, So you take, for example, the European tour,
Speaker 2: You'll be playing shows pretty much consecutive in different cities,
Speaker 2: but for say two or three weeks performing on Broadway,
Speaker 2: you're in the same theater and you're doing maybe like
Speaker 2: a three month run and it's what seven shows a
Speaker 2: week or something like that, or six seven shows a
Speaker 2: week like matinees and everything else. How do you approach
Speaker 2: how do you feel about those two disciplines of performance like.
Speaker 1: Very different, very different?
Speaker 3: Well, I think I learned when I finally did the
Speaker 3: Broadway situation. I fell in love with that too. Was
Speaker 3: obviously a big upgrade from the high school musicals. There
Speaker 3: were a whole bunch of different rules and a different
Speaker 3: world to learn. But I was craving that at the
Speaker 3: time because I had just come from like a whirlwind
Speaker 3: of being catapulted into this like kind of fame game
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, and then I knew I wanted
Speaker 3: to like kind of like pop that la bubble check
Speaker 3: my head, like figure out what else I could kind
Speaker 3: of entertain myself with for a second. Well, I kind
Speaker 3: of also needed a break from fixating on like radio
Speaker 3: and that's it. And so when this opportunity came around,
Speaker 3: I jumped at it and I just fell into the
Speaker 3: world of like all these new rules, these wonderful new
Speaker 3: people who it like thank God, embraced me, wanted to
Speaker 3: like teach me their ways, and I loved it. I
Speaker 3: think they were smart though, because they asked me on
Speaker 3: the like second month and or like.
Speaker 1: You want to extend and I was like yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: Then of course by like month five or sort of
Speaker 3: like this is so repetitive, like I can't. It was
Speaker 3: good because it meant that I was ready and refreshed
Speaker 3: to go back out into my own show where the
Speaker 3: spontane like the spontaneity is just like so alive, and
Speaker 3: I have all the rules and I run the show
Speaker 3: of like what I wear, what I say, what I change,
Speaker 3: not going to do this song today, going to.
Speaker 1: Talk over here with with bad Way. It's all about blocking.
Speaker 3: So you have to hit that note on that moment,
Speaker 3: on that X when the light goes like this, and
Speaker 3: as soon as you kind of feel like you've you
Speaker 3: don't have anything else to perfect, or you've gone as
Speaker 3: far as you can take it. It can become, at
Speaker 3: least for me, a little bit repetitious and mundane. So
Speaker 3: I had to always be looking at how it could
Speaker 3: improve it to stay really present, because because if I
Speaker 3: ever started to feel satisfied or something like that, then
Speaker 3: I was just kind of like too much like clockwork
Speaker 3: and not fair to the audience that came.
Speaker 2: I haven't played Annie at school and played Cinderella on
Speaker 2: Broadway and played Frenchy in Greece. Yes, what other dream
Speaker 2: roles are out there? If you were to do something
Speaker 2: like that again? Would you do something like that again?
Speaker 2: Or if do you feel like you've is that a
Speaker 2: box ticked? Or do you think no, I'd be interested
Speaker 2: in doing that again. It's the right thing came alone.
Speaker 1: It depends. I mean, I think I don't want to
Speaker 1: say never.
Speaker 3: I really feel like it's it was something that was
Speaker 3: a bucket list for me and that I did get
Speaker 3: the full blown New York experience of Broadway, which, like
Speaker 3: I can't believe.
Speaker 1: I'm even saying it to you right now, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: That's it's just as equal of a dream to me
Speaker 3: as any sort of other thing that I've done.
Speaker 1: But I think I'd be more interested in.
Speaker 3: Actually this is like five year down the road plan,
Speaker 3: but of being involved in like the writing of a
Speaker 3: pop musical or being one of the like the musical
Speaker 3: aspects of that team, just because I think I've learned
Speaker 3: so much from the own my own songwriting that I've done.
Speaker 3: But I have such a history of like loving and
Speaker 3: watching and even being in musicals, not just Anny, but
Speaker 3: like throughout high school it was like Dorothy in the
Speaker 3: way like it's been a big part of who I
Speaker 3: am that I would I would love to look at
Speaker 3: storytelling and get to bring it into the world of
Speaker 3: music that I'm passionate about making.
Speaker 2: The world of theater. I mean, we can only really
Speaker 2: speak for say like London's West End, but it feels
Speaker 2: like the same shows have been around for a long time,
Speaker 2: and so every couple of years something comes along that's
Speaker 2: that's brand new, like written originally. Would do you think
Speaker 2: you would like want to do something from scratch with
Speaker 2: its own narrative or would you adapt like a well
Speaker 2: known story of you What do you think you'd been.
Speaker 3: In favor of We've been having those exact conversations, like
Speaker 3: recently with our team, and I think I almost don't
Speaker 3: want to speak too much on it because it's like,
Speaker 3: don't talk about the thing that you haven't done yet,
Speaker 3: Like it's just a kind of dreaming out loud. But
Speaker 3: knowing that this is sort of one of those things
Speaker 3: that maybe you bring it into fruition by putting it
Speaker 3: out there and just start the conversations. I don't have
Speaker 3: all the answers to those questions yet.
Speaker 2: Though, fortunately Andrew Lloyd Webber is a regular listener to
Speaker 2: this podcast, so it would be absolutely fine.
Speaker 1: There you go, perfect, Oh my dreams Country.
Speaker 2: Consider that a commission. It's fun. It sounds like that
Speaker 2: would be the kind of main ambition outside of continue
Speaker 2: to make music, right, Like, I mean a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier you mentioned like you know, you've always got to
Speaker 2: kind of got projects in mind. Is there anything else
Speaker 2: that's kind of bubbling under that you're interested in exploring?
Speaker 1: Yes? And no.
Speaker 3: I feel like right now when I'm in like the
Speaker 3: terrain mode that I'm in right now, it's like to
Speaker 3: survive that is sort of one track mindy. It's just
Speaker 3: about the performance and the travel and being present, and
Speaker 3: it's a really joyful time for me because I write
Speaker 3: a lot when I'm on the road, so that's kind
Speaker 3: of its own little protective world for me, which will
Speaker 3: kind of dissipate as soon as I get back into
Speaker 3: like kind of more chill home life, a festival home
Speaker 3: life a festival, and I think that's when my brain
Speaker 3: will start ticking off, like the answer to those questions
Speaker 3: of what's next. Are we diving into this part of
Speaker 3: by project? Is it going to be the next album
Speaker 3: right away? My feeling is that I really have a
Speaker 3: hunger and my belly to get back into the studio soon,
Speaker 3: only because that thing that doesn't happen to me all
Speaker 3: the time has been happening lately where I'm waking up
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night with the urge to
Speaker 3: get something out and to write something down to record
Speaker 3: it on my phone. And that's always a really exciting
Speaker 3: time to pay attention, because that's when the best stuff happens,
Speaker 3: when you're not trying and it's just kind of happening
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 2: You hinted earlier that maybe it's like might experiment with
Speaker 2: doing something different in terms of just getting the music
Speaker 2: out there that sort of suggests that maybe you'll be
Speaker 2: like you want to be a bit more spontaneous with
Speaker 2: like if you have an idea, you want to kind
Speaker 2: of share it quicker, or.
Speaker 3: I hope I can eventually become that way. I am
Speaker 3: definitely wanting to not take a four year break in between.
Speaker 3: I can say that for sure. But I am a
Speaker 3: lover of an album. I you know, it's old fashioned.
Speaker 3: I love I love versus the world of like just
Speaker 3: singles that we live and I can I can embrace
Speaker 3: that to an extent, but I'm always going to want
Speaker 3: to have a body of work that just flows in
Speaker 3: a way that you can hold it in your hand
Speaker 3: and it was it's a present someone gave you, and
Speaker 3: it's an offering of a whole bunch of stories of life,
Speaker 3: and I think I love how they work together and
Speaker 3: out like the songs of an album. So I can't
Speaker 3: promise that I'm going to be one of those artists
Speaker 3: that has this song out every month, because I care
Speaker 3: too much about the beauty of the project.
Speaker 2: And also, you mentioned earlier when when you're out on
Speaker 2: the road, like I know that sometimes you try and
Speaker 2: see a bit of the places where you go like
Speaker 2: visit local art gallery or museum, or or go running
Speaker 2: or whatever. It is, like, what, yeah, what you're looking
Speaker 2: forward to doing over the next few weeks last in Europe?
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you've identified as stuff that you
Speaker 2: want to do.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I'm a real foodie.
Speaker 3: I'm a rather food obsessed and I'm not I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not ashamed. So wherever we go, like I swear,
Speaker 3: We'll be in the middle of eating lunch and I'll
Speaker 3: be talking about like what are we going to do
Speaker 3: for dinner?
Speaker 1: They're like guys settled down, eat your past.
Speaker 3: But no, I think that's one of the joys of
Speaker 3: traveling is getting to try all of the restaurants on
Speaker 3: your list, all the different kind of things. And we
Speaker 3: research ahead, like all of us kind of collectively of
Speaker 3: what where we want to go with when we get
Speaker 3: to Tokyo, where do we want to go when we
Speaker 3: get to Paris, and like and the same for here.
Speaker 1: We had a great experience last night.
Speaker 3: I also, I think, I think in terms of a
Speaker 3: tourist stuff, I've really learned the lesson. This has kind
Speaker 3: of been my first time touring so heavily as the headliner,
Speaker 3: and I've learned the lesson of just like how like
Speaker 3: health is wealth, Like you need to stay regiment And
Speaker 3: that sounds kind of a go boring thing on my list,
Speaker 3: but like.
Speaker 2: Just look after your voice basically, do you mean just your.
Speaker 3: Physical world, real life, like you will exercise, get that
Speaker 3: sleep because it is a gruelling situation. I don't think
Speaker 3: people can really understand until you've done a bus tour
Speaker 3: and our show is an energy pack.
Speaker 1: So I've so far had a record.
Speaker 3: Of never really having to miss one, and I want
Speaker 3: to keep that going. And then on top of it,
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, like you said, if we have days off,
Speaker 3: I'm going to do some shopping in Paris, I've got
Speaker 3: some friends to meet up with in a couple of
Speaker 3: different spots.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, that's that's the main goals.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite moment in the set at the moment
Speaker 2: in terms of like a song or a handful of
Speaker 2: songs that sit together that where they just know, like
Speaker 2: I'm always just looking forward to that moment in the
Speaker 2: live set.
Speaker 3: I mean I really love actually the opening in a
Speaker 3: way there's the bandboys kind of take the stage by
Speaker 3: themselves and really kind of get the energy going and
Speaker 3: there's this like dramatic walk I get to do up
Speaker 3: these stairs, and like there's like this feeling and every
Speaker 3: time I turn to my right and I lock eyes
Speaker 3: with my drummer and he always just kind of like
Speaker 3: winks at me, or we have that knowing look like
Speaker 3: are you ready to have fun? And it's real and
Speaker 3: because we all are having fun, like it is a
Speaker 3: joyful experience for my guitarist, for my bassis, for Sophie
Speaker 3: and my backup singer, and for Nick and Jared, and
Speaker 3: we just we really love each other. We've been touring
Speaker 3: together for a very long time, some of us like
Speaker 3: up to ten years, and except for Sophie, she's just
Speaker 3: new this year. But because of that, I think we're
Speaker 3: kind of offering to the audience like we're all all
Speaker 3: of us here. We're all gonna be like a family tonight,
Speaker 3: like let go of your inhibitions and like let's dance.
Speaker 3: The joy is when that works, And then I think
Speaker 3: the other answers I was really I spay this, but
Speaker 3: my favorite song to perform live out of all of
Speaker 3: them is probably want You in My Room, which is
Speaker 3: one of those songs I was even scared to put
Speaker 3: on the album because I'm like, it's a little cum hither,
Speaker 3: like it's not like holding anything back, and yet it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so we'll see how this flies. And it's been really
Speaker 3: fun to see that. You know, anytime that I'm afraid
Speaker 3: that I've gotten too weird or too quirky for someone
Speaker 3: to maybe digest it, I'm always amazed that that's like
Speaker 3: the song that ends up being celebrated the most. And
Speaker 3: maybe that's that's a good lesson to mine.
Speaker 2: I want you to watch out when you're playing. When
Speaker 2: I needed you to look out into the crowd and
Speaker 2: see the guy in the Slayer T shirt rocking out
Speaker 2: first night. You got to keep you. It's going to happen. Okay,
Speaker 2: final question, So it's just about that thing that we
Speaker 2: talked a bit about at the top of the podcast,
Speaker 2: which is just about how you seem to have this
Speaker 2: ability to be able to bring people of different varieties
Speaker 2: and you know, backgrounds and everything together that it's kind
Speaker 2: of like your music and your your your personality is
Speaker 2: a sort of unifier and in that moment of like
Speaker 2: getting a room full of people from all different backgrounds
Speaker 2: and ages and gender and everything else, do you feel
Speaker 2: proud of effectively bringing people from those different backgrounds together.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a complicated answer, but just as
Speaker 3: you were saying that, I was thinking, you know, in
Speaker 3: my childhood of living in two homes with four parents
Speaker 3: who are all extremely different, I think the one thing
Speaker 3: that and I switched every two days my whole life,
Speaker 3: so use a lot of like who am I now?
Speaker 1: But in a beautiful way.
Speaker 3: I think what I took away from that is just
Speaker 3: like they all looked at life differently. They all had
Speaker 3: their own really strong opinions, and there was something that
Speaker 3: I loved about each and every one of them, and
Speaker 3: when I was talking direct one on one, that person
Speaker 3: made the most sense, and vice versa. And I think
Speaker 3: that's something I've really taken away from when I left
Speaker 3: home of just like every person that I've come across
Speaker 3: has their story, and once you get to know what
Speaker 3: you will love them. When we put on these shows,
Speaker 3: I think like a secret mission statement in my own
Speaker 3: head is just like, let's make a room that is
Speaker 3: just full of that feeling of like acceptance for like
Speaker 3: whoever you are.
Speaker 1: Whatever you whatever you believe, whatever you feel.
Speaker 3: Just come here tonight and just like be that same
Speaker 3: way with everyone that you meet. And the greatest joy
Speaker 3: is when I look down at the audience and I
Speaker 3: see strangers who are just embracing each other like their family,
Speaker 3: Like how cool to be in that room.
Speaker 1: I'm again like I said, it's the gift of my life. Anyway,
Speaker 1: good night,