WEBVTT - Ep 87: Carly Rae Jepsen

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<v Speaker 1>But if I'm just this child star, they like burst

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<v Speaker 1>out laughing. They're like curly. Nobody knows who you.

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<v Speaker 2>Are, evening everyone. Greg here bringing you the second episode

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<v Speaker 2>in this brand new series. Thanks for all your kind

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<v Speaker 2>comments about the podcast kicking off again. We started major

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<v Speaker 2>with Kevin Parker from Tame in Parlor last week and

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<v Speaker 2>we're staying major for tonight's guest Carlie ray Jepson. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into the chat in just a moment. But the

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<v Speaker 2>past decade, well more than the past decade, has been

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<v Speaker 2>quite a ride for the Canadian artist. I'm massively skimming

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<v Speaker 2>over this quickly, but from appearing on Canadian Idol back

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<v Speaker 2>in the early days to the release of Call Me

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe You'll Definitely Know That one, a worldwide number one too,

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<v Speaker 2>collaborating with Justin Bieber all the way through to Jack

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<v Speaker 2>Antonof and then in Motion, the album released in summer

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, hugely critically acclaimed an amazing record, It ended

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<v Speaker 2>up on a bunch of the recent Best of the

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<v Speaker 2>Decade lists in some very notable places, and then Onto

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated her fourth album, which was out last year twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 2>She followed that up with a huge headline tour. As

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<v Speaker 2>for myself, I had a total moment watching Carli for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time at a festival last summer. As you're

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<v Speaker 2>about to hear, I met up with Carlie in London

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<v Speaker 2>in February, just before Valentine's Day. That's relevant because she

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<v Speaker 2>was just about to share her latest single, Let's Be Friends,

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<v Speaker 2>a sort of anti Valentine's Day anthem, as she puts it.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point, she was part way through a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of shows happening throughout Europe and loads of topics covered.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about her position as an artist who brings

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<v Speaker 2>together fans of all types of music, how she whittles

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred odd songs that she writes down to a

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<v Speaker 2>dozen or so for each new project she releases, and

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about her parallel work in musical theater. She

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<v Speaker 2>starred in Cinderella and in Greece in the and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she'll write her own. Who knows interesting to hear her

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<v Speaker 2>talk about her plans on that So here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Carlie Ray Jebson on episode eighty seven of

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<v Speaker 2>Midnight Chats. I remember if you like what you hear,

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<v Speaker 2>make this podcast. Carlie, welcome to Midnight Chats. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to have you on our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>There is my pleasure. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing today?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good, I'm good. I'm a little like jet legged,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's not unusual for me.

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<v Speaker 2>How if you found any tricks to sort of cope

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<v Speaker 2>with that over the years, because obviously you'd have kind

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<v Speaker 2>of been criscrossing the world doing touring and everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, are there any little hints or things that

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<v Speaker 2>have like picked up along the way that just help

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<v Speaker 2>you ever overcome that? Or is it just like no,

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<v Speaker 2>you just succme to the jack.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, me and sleep just aren't friends lately. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what to I have tried.

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<v Speaker 3>I have like read books on it, Like, how do

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<v Speaker 3>you what are some sleep tricks apparently have to have

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<v Speaker 3>like the right temperature in the room, it's good to

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<v Speaker 3>have a shower and not too hot of a shower.

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried it all.

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<v Speaker 3>I just come to terms with the fact that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of an enzomiac.

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<v Speaker 2>On their tips along the lines of what to do

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<v Speaker 2>when you're actually flying, like don't eat meals when you're

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<v Speaker 2>flying in the air, and then when you get to

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<v Speaker 2>the place where you're going, you should automatically try and

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<v Speaker 2>sort of fit into the Say, if you land at breakfast,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing you should have is breakfast and then

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<v Speaker 2>try and resume your routine or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>There are tricks to that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my theory on the travel side of the

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<v Speaker 3>eating sleeping stuff, because of the inzomia sometimes is just

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<v Speaker 3>sleep when you can eat when you're hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>Try to get on board for the city that you're.

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<v Speaker 3>In as soon as you can acclimate yourself. Great, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's never unmanageable. I think the worst I

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<v Speaker 3>can go is like three days where I'm having trouble

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<v Speaker 3>sleeping in and then the worst case scenarios that I

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<v Speaker 3>get really giggly, or you might say something that I

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<v Speaker 3>think is like going to make me cry.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of what emotion or the other it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Certain to happen, and also it happens whilst you're traveling

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<v Speaker 2>as well. Like I think Paddington I had me in

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<v Speaker 2>floods of tears.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't watch email movies or cute ones, no, no

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<v Speaker 3>dead dogs, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay away from all of the above.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Just stick with a kind of just a

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<v Speaker 2>Marvel action film, just like let's keep.

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<v Speaker 1>Things, you know, you know, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing that's not going to take you on too much

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<v Speaker 2>an emotional yeah, exactly. I want to start this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>by taking it back to a particularly joyful moment for me,

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<v Speaker 2>which came at the start of last summer. I was

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<v Speaker 2>at the Premium Ery Sound festival in Barcelona. You were

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<v Speaker 2>there too, and I was with a group of friends.

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<v Speaker 2>We were watching you play. That was the first time

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen you play live. It was just a

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<v Speaker 2>particularly amazing moment for that weekend because for people that

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<v Speaker 2>haven't visited that festival, it's kind of held on the

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<v Speaker 2>outskirts of Barcelona. On one side of the stage, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got this Barcelona skyline and on the other you've got

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<v Speaker 2>the Mediterranean Sea. It's very idyllic, you know, when you

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<v Speaker 2>go to a festival and there's usually kind of one

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<v Speaker 2>moment that just becomes like this indelible thing that you

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<v Speaker 2>will kind of talk about for the ages and months afterwards.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was your set up in Riviera Sound Really

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember that show? Was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Was? It?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that show for lots of reasons. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like we had had an incredible time in Barcelona to

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<v Speaker 3>begin with, and then getting to arrive at that stage,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you said, that venue, if you can call it

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<v Speaker 3>a venue, it was just like outdoor and you can

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<v Speaker 3>see sort of from my perspective, just seeing this crowd

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<v Speaker 3>of people in the ocean and the sunset was just

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<v Speaker 3>like a very very magical day. And on top of it,

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<v Speaker 3>they gave me free sunglasses. So I'm pretty stoked I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Come back and do this. Yeah, it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of like the perfect moment because it was

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<v Speaker 2>at sunset cool, and so that the first half of

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<v Speaker 2>the set was in daylight and then the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sun came down. What's going through your mind when you're

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<v Speaker 2>on stage? Do you just in the moment, like did

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<v Speaker 2>you mind go blank? Or do you have things run

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<v Speaker 2>into your mind?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Good question.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's the exact same formula for

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<v Speaker 3>every show, but in this particular one, if I'm jogging

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<v Speaker 3>my memory, right, I can, I just remember it being

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<v Speaker 3>really one of those sort of like pinch yourself moments,

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<v Speaker 3>because I mean, as much as I've performed in Barcelona before,

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<v Speaker 3>I hadn't really done the festival of this nature, and

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I still have those like insecurities right

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<v Speaker 3>before you go on stage of like is anyone going

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<v Speaker 3>to be digging in any of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So to kind of get to perform to a crowd

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<v Speaker 3>and to see everyone kind of dancing and singing along

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<v Speaker 3>that with that blew my mind and then I think

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<v Speaker 3>I just got to and enjoyed the euphoria of the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of reference it there that a festival like

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<v Speaker 2>Prema Various Sound, like going back a few years would

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<v Speaker 2>have been considered like a kind of old rock festival.

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<v Speaker 2>That would have been the sort of stuff that they booked.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a lot more diverse now. But there was a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful moment during your set where I turned around and

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<v Speaker 2>not that I have a kind of tight cast view

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<v Speaker 2>of what a Kylie Ray Jebson fan necessarily looks like,

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<v Speaker 2>but there was a guy wearing a Slayer T shirt

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<v Speaker 2>who was absolutely going nuts, and I just thought this

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<v Speaker 2>is perfect. Over the years, have you noticed the type

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<v Speaker 2>of people that come to your shows or the type

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<v Speaker 2>of people that you see out there and enjoying your music?

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<v Speaker 2>Has that evolved? Has that changed in any way?

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<v Speaker 1>Strangely enough?

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<v Speaker 3>If I were to say, like one sort of description

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<v Speaker 3>is its always just been beautifully diverse. Like I when

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<v Speaker 3>somebody has asked me a like, what is your fan base?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is it? This age? Is it? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of just it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Always surprised me that I don't know how to answer that,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what I really have found I

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<v Speaker 3>love about kind of getting to perform to these crowds,

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<v Speaker 3>is you feel like none of these people might have.

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<v Speaker 1>Come together otherwise, So I just get to be.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of like, I don't know the conductor of the

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<v Speaker 3>thing in a fun way, and it just it becomes

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<v Speaker 3>a party, which I never thought I would be able

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<v Speaker 3>to be in this position.

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<v Speaker 1>To say, but it's kind of takes me. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the room sometimes just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Takes over in a way that I that I love

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm just kind of caught.

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<v Speaker 2>Up in There are many artists that I can think

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<v Speaker 2>of that could go from playing Premaerio sound to I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, playing like like I could easily see playing

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<v Speaker 2>like Manchester, Bright and Pride or something like that the

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<v Speaker 2>next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just, yeah, it's diverse. There are not many artists

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<v Speaker 2>that can do that. So do you how do you

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<v Speaker 2>feel about that position of being able to adopt these

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<v Speaker 2>different not tribes because people, like I say, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it feels a lot more diverse these days, and people

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<v Speaker 2>are a little bit less tribalistic about the music they like.

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<v Speaker 2>But you can slot into these different modes almost, can't you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think at some point, like the main goal from

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<v Speaker 3>me was about really embracing what it was that I

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<v Speaker 3>loved about pop because whenever people say pop in the

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<v Speaker 3>past that there was always like hand in hand with

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<v Speaker 3>that that's saying guilty pleasure, And I'm like, if it

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<v Speaker 3>actually makes you feel happy, way you feel weird about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Like where is the guilt coming from? I think there's something.

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<v Speaker 1>That I like that I find kind of feeds my

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<v Speaker 1>soul about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a really communal kind of form of music, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I'm answering your question right, but

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<v Speaker 3>I think when I'm getting to kind of jump from

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<v Speaker 3>like one room to a different room, and it feels

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<v Speaker 3>like the people who are just have embraced the pop

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<v Speaker 3>that they love and that I get to be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of that, and it makes me really very lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>That evening as well, I've seen something at a gig

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<v Speaker 2>that I've never seen before, probably will never see since

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<v Speaker 2>somebody in the crowd was waving like a French baguet

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky and I was rewatching the clip recently

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, that's a that's a French burget. Somebody's

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<v Speaker 2>waving in the crowd. I thought all the things that

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<v Speaker 2>you've never seen somebody at a festival with, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like yes, like flags, yes, inflatable swords like everything like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And I just thought, well, I don't know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that how any significance the bagett.

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<v Speaker 1>I have missed the baggett. I wish I hadn't. I

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<v Speaker 1>love random weird shit like that, but yeah, No, I feel.

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<v Speaker 3>Like there's been so many laughs along this journey, just

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<v Speaker 3>with like their fans are so inventive and really engaged

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<v Speaker 3>and from memes to just like the sword thing you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it feels like every couple of.

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<v Speaker 3>Weeks there's a new thing that it has me in

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<v Speaker 3>the Bandboy, it's just like chuckling of like this is

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<v Speaker 3>so bizarre and I love it and it makes it

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<v Speaker 3>makes you.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to smile.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever been handed anything else on stage where

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<v Speaker 2>you've just been like, oh, I'm surprised you've given me that,

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<v Speaker 2>but thanks very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I've been given like ladies bras before, which

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<v Speaker 3>is always a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit like it's not like more like for like rockstars,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, sure, I'll take it. It's a double D.

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<v Speaker 1>Not gonna fit me, but thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes people like like, we've had some strange ones. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the show, people will like hand

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<v Speaker 3>you their phone because they want you to like take

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<v Speaker 3>this selfie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not I guess that unusual. But yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I had one guy hand me his CD demo. Really

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<v Speaker 1>take a little It was like, this is my show

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<v Speaker 1>settled out?

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<v Speaker 2>Ending to that story is I listened to it. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was great. We signed him and.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's yeah, yeah exactly. That's how.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anywhere that you've ever played where you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thought, oh no, this isn't like I'm the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of wrong fit for this moment, or i just feel

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<v Speaker 2>like out of step with what's going on. Does that

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<v Speaker 2>still does that happen as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that happened recently at a festival. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to picture where it was exactly, but it was a

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<v Speaker 3>festival and it was like midday and there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of college students and they had done a ton of

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<v Speaker 3>drugs and they were marsh pudding.

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<v Speaker 1>They were marsh pudding, and I was looking at my team.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, how are they going to digest this? Like how

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<v Speaker 3>are they going to digest my music right now? Like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like they want something completely different, and they're like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like, just give it a girl.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, all right, guys, we're just gonna pretend like

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<v Speaker 3>they love it even if they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go. And sure enough we ran out there and.

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<v Speaker 3>They like were so out of it that they just

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<v Speaker 3>embraced anything you gave them, Thank god. But it was

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<v Speaker 3>still like a moment of like, I'm pretty sure one

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<v Speaker 3>of us is not like the others right now, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they were just having a way too good of a time.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like circle pits during your set.

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<v Speaker 3>And they were doing I don't know what it is

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<v Speaker 3>where you like spin and certain an old lady.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a slipnoll game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There it was like like if.

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<v Speaker 3>You were to put the camera on the audience and

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<v Speaker 3>to guess who is playing right now, no one would

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<v Speaker 3>have panned left to me, no one. And yet there

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<v Speaker 3>we were singing I Really like you and they were

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<v Speaker 3>marching hard.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that like this should have been a viral.

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<v Speaker 1>We had some laughs afterwards, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just glad that like nothing just landed on stage

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<v Speaker 2>like that doesn't seem to be a thing anymore. Like

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<v Speaker 2>when I first started going to festivals when I was

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<v Speaker 2>like a teenager, but if there was somebody booked to

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<v Speaker 2>play a festival, that festivals were much less diverse than

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<v Speaker 2>it was, like you know, you're going to a rock

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<v Speaker 2>festival or you were going to a metal festival. I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what your first experiences are going to

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<v Speaker 2>festivals was like, but that felt like it had like

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<v Speaker 2>one type of music. I don't think it really happens

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<v Speaker 2>like that anymore, or not so much. At least some

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<v Speaker 2>poor artists certainly that I've been in the crowd for

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<v Speaker 2>that have taken you know, all sorts of stuff is

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<v Speaker 2>landing on stage. Yeah, yeah, oh they are like particularly

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<v Speaker 2>famous incidents that like, particularly like the Reading Festival in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK has had that a few times. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>people getting like pretty unpleasant stuff thrown at them. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad to say that I don't think that really

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<v Speaker 2>happens anymore, so like.

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<v Speaker 1>The old school, like tomato now, I hope not.

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<v Speaker 2>Worse than a tomato.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to know. Do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to tell you just likes of unidentified liquid

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<v Speaker 2>shore we say, yeah, And like deck chairs, I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a deck chair land on stage with a Reading festival

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<v Speaker 2>somebody through like anything that you would go camping with

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<v Speaker 2>that you could maybe take into the arena, and then

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<v Speaker 2>when the band is playing or the artist.

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<v Speaker 1>Is playing that they try to take them out pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Like there's one particularly famous example of an

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<v Speaker 2>artist called Daphine Celeste, who were a pop duo British

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<v Speaker 2>who played the Reading Vessel in the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were on a bill with regigainst the Machine

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<v Speaker 2>and Blink One It too, And I think maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>slip not the headline in that night, and they performed

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<v Speaker 2>this set as kind of a dare because they were like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll do this, and like then the audience took that

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<v Speaker 2>as a challenge and they ended up throwing stuff at them,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a really famous.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But I totally stand by Daphine celest but turning up

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<v Speaker 2>and doing the gig and being there and doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was show up with one of those like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>those like police screen guards, and I would just like

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<v Speaker 3>sing the whole thing from behind it just looking, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He was like one of those Perspec screens they put

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the drum kit, but just like a

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<v Speaker 2>really big one. So when they throw anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Back can become like modern art.

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<v Speaker 3>You can just have like the splash video idea idea

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<v Speaker 3>right there.

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<v Speaker 2>So we talk a little bit in a minute about

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<v Speaker 2>the new music that you've got out and also the

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<v Speaker 2>European tour and your plans for twenty twenty. But before

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<v Speaker 2>we do that, I'm interested to know, like talked a

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<v Speaker 2>bit about Premiera in twenty nineteen. It's like that decade

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<v Speaker 2>came to an end. Did you take a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a reflective moment to think about everything that had happened

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<v Speaker 2>that decade, because it was quite a rollercoaster from you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we must all be kind of doing

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<v Speaker 1>that right.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if this is like a New Year's

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<v Speaker 3>that seems bigger than the rest of the ones in

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<v Speaker 3>my life, but it's really been like an awakening, one

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<v Speaker 3>of just like, holy shit, I'm flies and it's been wild,

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<v Speaker 3>and I even think with like the kind of Instagram

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<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden being in your world, you

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<v Speaker 3>can sometimes go back and be like, I'm forgetting half

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<v Speaker 3>the things that I did, and the pace of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>is so crazy. But I'm really proud of where we've landed.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that for my whole team, not just for myself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just been such a journey and so many lessons

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<v Speaker 3>and kind of in my own kind of personal life,

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<v Speaker 3>just so so many just different experiences that have led

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<v Speaker 3>me to i think, a stronger place and a more

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<v Speaker 3>confident place than I've ever been before. And in turn,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm more excited than i've been maybe

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<v Speaker 3>ever to just kind of take a sigh of relief.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I've ended my feet on some solid

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<v Speaker 3>ground and now let's create without the pressure or the

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<v Speaker 3>panic or the what happens if I can't stay clad

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<v Speaker 3>to this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you just take a kind of deep breath?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it was? It was?

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<v Speaker 2>It quite as literally as like New Year's Eve. You're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, wow, Okay, No, No, it was drunk. I

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<v Speaker 2>was drunk and I was dancing on New I'm imagining

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<v Speaker 2>like tequila in hand in one hand, tequila.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a beautiful thought. No, we did have a lovely

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<v Speaker 3>New Year's Eve. Actually, my family and I we all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of we made the most bit. We went on

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<v Speaker 3>the rooftop at night.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. But no, to answer your question, it's

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<v Speaker 1>been it's been more.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a gradual reflection over the last kind of I

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<v Speaker 3>think over this past month of just like I think

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<v Speaker 3>I have like a couple of changes in like new

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<v Speaker 3>management teamind of clearing the decks for this album and

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<v Speaker 3>getting ready for like what's next musically and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>rethinking how I've released stuff, and just even within my

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<v Speaker 3>personal life my family, that just feels like we've all

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<v Speaker 3>kind of had a good.

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<v Speaker 1>Reconnect over Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's just kind of that fresh energy to like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go take on our worlds, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Staying on that point of the end of twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of different places published there like best of the

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<v Speaker 2>decade albums and tracks and everything everything else. An Emotion

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<v Speaker 2>appeared in quite a few of those. I noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>Time magazine put Emotion in their top ten best albums

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<v Speaker 2>of the twenty tens, and so Emotions seemed to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of those albums that exited that decade. Is really

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<v Speaker 2>being considered something that encapsulated that period of music. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the resonance that people were giving it. So how did

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<v Speaker 2>you feel about that?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Even hearing you say that, I still feel like, really, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that's amazing. Who I It's tricky for me because the

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<v Speaker 3>fine balance to walk of really warranting of that sentence

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<v Speaker 3>that you just said, feeling really good and that's so nice,

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<v Speaker 3>But that can ever be like the full motivation in

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<v Speaker 3>my mind, otherwise you start like creating for the wrong reason.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think even before anyone had heard Emotion, I

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<v Speaker 3>had to kind of figure out how I felt about

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<v Speaker 3>it and let that be the truth. And it landed

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<v Speaker 3>for me as just something really honest that I felt

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<v Speaker 3>passionate about, and I was really proud of it and

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<v Speaker 3>and happy to share it, and but I felt like

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<v Speaker 3>whatever happens now could go either way, and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't want to feel like it couldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>gone the other way and that would have changed my

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<v Speaker 3>feeling out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if that's a proper answer.

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<v Speaker 2>If I was you, I'd be printing out those web

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<v Speaker 2>pages and everything else, and I'd be like turning it

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<v Speaker 2>into that customized wallpaper.

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<v Speaker 1>And I always actually try not to read stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>There's there's moments where you get like a weak moment

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like, but I'll get fueled through like filters

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<v Speaker 3>where Laura will kind of let me know, hey, are

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<v Speaker 3>you ready to kind of see with the I'm was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where am I? But my mom is cute.

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<v Speaker 3>She'll just send me. She'll send me stuff and.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on being like, Mom, I don't want to read this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>But she's a really good filter system because she'll only

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<v Speaker 3>sound like the really good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like in the meantime, she's just like emailing

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<v Speaker 2>like journalists has written anything negative is being.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you guys suck, Yeah, trouble my mom, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, that's what hey, mums have got your back. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole point of good.

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<v Speaker 3>Make great publicists, you know who knows or terrible ones.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine working day to day with actually having

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<v Speaker 2>like members of your family and team?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I can't. I cannot.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in terms of just your formative stages of

0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.679
<v Speaker 2>getting into music and writing your first songs. In my

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<v Speaker 2>preparations for the research of just looking at stuff for today,

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<v Speaker 2>I came across a couple of things, a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>early stories which I wanted to ask about. One of

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<v Speaker 2>them was that you wrote your first song when you

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<v Speaker 2>were at aged nine? Is that right? And it was

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<v Speaker 2>called They're cutting Down the Big Trees or was that

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<v Speaker 2>was nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Around that time. Yeah, it was a protest song.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you were like, hang on, you were like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five thirty years ahead of just of like the

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<v Speaker 2>climate crisis. You're out there making it any important statement.

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Canada and Mission BC. My mom

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<v Speaker 1>that was quite in the most beautiful sense of.

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<v Speaker 3>The word, sort of a hippie and like was really

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<v Speaker 3>talking to me about some of these events. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think my aunt has been famously known for like chaining

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<v Speaker 3>herself like naked to.

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<v Speaker 1>A tree that they like it's tastes well, the more

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<v Speaker 1>so my aunt.

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<v Speaker 3>But my mom was kind of just informing me about things,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was this opportunity to like print a poem

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:46.720
<v Speaker 3>in the local paper, and I I wrote a song.

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.720
<v Speaker 1>I think I had some help with like figuring out

0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the chords.

0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.679
<v Speaker 3>To it from a guy named David, And yeah, but

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote all the lyrics, very emo song about how

0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:56.680
<v Speaker 3>the trees were all going to go and how I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just a child and everyone has to help me fight

0:20:59.359 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 3>this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very prophetic because like it's a terrible song.

0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:07.200
<v Speaker 1>The message is great, but this song is bad. Don't

0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:08.000
<v Speaker 1>get too excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it looked in a safe some way?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah?

0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Is that something still that kind of given that the

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<v Speaker 2>climate crisis and how it's kind of rightfully kind of

0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.440
<v Speaker 2>dominating the agenda and national conversation, now something you feel

0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:22.160
<v Speaker 2>passionate about.

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely am passionate about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think when I looked to my music, though, I

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<v Speaker 3>found a real escapist on and sort of fantasticalizing sort

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 3>of my feelings about the things that are a little

0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:39.040
<v Speaker 3>bit more cut and jive versus like the world issues,

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:40.960
<v Speaker 3>but it doesn't mean that that's not down the line

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:41.800
<v Speaker 3>for me in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, I can remember calling Tavish Crow.

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<v Speaker 3>My guitarist late one night, being like, what if we

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 3>did an entire album not about love?

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:50.959
<v Speaker 1>Like what a challenge that would be. Do you think

0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 1>that's something we could take on together?

0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.159
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, yeah, good luck, go for it, And

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:57.919
<v Speaker 3>sure enough I picked up my guitar like all mad

0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.959
<v Speaker 3>at him that night, being like watch this. Like with him,

0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.240
<v Speaker 3>I started the songs about something completely different.

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.960
<v Speaker 1>By the end of it was just like, oh, sucker feelings.

0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:08.359
<v Speaker 3>So I was just like, they keep pulling me back,

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:10.960
<v Speaker 3>But now I hear what you're saying. It is something

0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 3>that I it's not not important in my life and

0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.800
<v Speaker 3>in my family's world as well, and we definitely are

0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:21.760
<v Speaker 3>doing what we can, but it's it's important to realize

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.400
<v Speaker 3>that that's something that I could maybe be brave enough

0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:25.520
<v Speaker 3>to take a stab at.

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<v Speaker 2>In music too, it's also important to acknowledge that some

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>people get criticized for kind of not say, having a

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.439
<v Speaker 2>political view in their art, when maybe that's just not

0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that they want to be doing or that

0:22:37.520 --> 0:22:39.640
<v Speaker 2>they're not naturally inclined to do, doesn't mean they don't

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.600
<v Speaker 2>care about those things exactly. The other story that I

0:22:41.680 --> 0:22:44.159
<v Speaker 2>was going to ask about was just about how that

0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 2>is still at that very young age, you wanted to

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 2>see success for yourself in the future, and you do

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you write contracts to your parents saying that you were

0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.920
<v Speaker 2>going to hopefully one day buy them a house by

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<v Speaker 2>the sea or something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>My mom and my stepdad, Yeah, I did. I said

0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:01.960
<v Speaker 3>that I I was going to one day help them.

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think with when I.

0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 3>Was little, I said I was going to buy them

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:06.119
<v Speaker 3>a house, but a cabin. It was a joke my

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:08.080
<v Speaker 3>mom was making me. I was saying that I was

0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 3>going to do all stuff and I was little. She's like, well,

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:13.280
<v Speaker 3>write it on paper. It was a wonderful later in

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 3>life to be able to help in any small way.

0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:17.040
<v Speaker 1>But they do have that.

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 3>They've retired now, they live by the ocean and in comacs,

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:23.639
<v Speaker 3>and they're happier than I've ever seen two people be.

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 3>So it's just been wild the way life has turned out.

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:27.679
<v Speaker 3>And those are the moments that you kind of just

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 3>pinch yourself right.

0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Ultimate gift in a way, isn't it to be able.

0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>To help out your family in any way?

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I mean my family's all doing really great

0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:40.040
<v Speaker 3>on their own anyways. They're very accomplished people, and I'm

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.840
<v Speaker 3>very family rich. I've come from a great bunch of them,

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 3>and we're big.

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 1>They're more mighty. But yeah, you're right anytime.

0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.360
<v Speaker 3>That there's like a little loving to be dished out

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 3>in some way and it can make a difference, it really,

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:55.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, what else is it for?

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Imagine in that contract up in the rule up on

0:23:58.760 --> 0:23:59.919
<v Speaker 2>the wall with like Kylie a.

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they should have framed it.

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Come on, yeah, exactly. To bring things up to the

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 2>prisent you recently shared Let's Be Friends, which is the

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 2>new track. Yes, it was that track part of the

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 2>writing session, part of the kind of similar era to

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Dedicated that you released in twenty nineteen, and just tell

0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 2>me a little bit of the background around that.

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was, and it was a close cut from

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:19.360
<v Speaker 3>making it on the album, but.

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't quite sure yet.

0:24:23.160 --> 0:24:26.320
<v Speaker 3>It's such like almost like a bratty song, and I

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:28.840
<v Speaker 3>kind of felt like I had that with you in

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:30.879
<v Speaker 3>my room already, so I was kind of picking and

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 3>choosy about it, but I was Valentine's Day around the corner.

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:37.600
<v Speaker 3>I made sense in my mind, like, oh my gosh,

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:38.320
<v Speaker 3>this is the song.

0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 1>Lauren. We started talking.

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 3>About it just because I classically historically have a horrible

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 3>time of Valentine's Day.

0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people do. It's this great expectation.

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 3>So I loved the concept of having like an anti

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Valentine Valentine's Day song of just like for those who

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:57.160
<v Speaker 3>actually are suffering, this one's for you. And I also

0:24:57.280 --> 0:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>loved the concept of it's usually the idea that the

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 3>there's a breaker offer and the breaky and like who

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 3>is going to be the one that's heartbroken? But sometimes

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 3>it's like both of you just know it's not clicking.

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:11.280
<v Speaker 3>And how great to be able to have an adult

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 3>enough conversation to be like, let's let's call it, let's

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.679
<v Speaker 3>have a friendship. Only the fact that the lie that

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 3>we all have society tell each other, just like soften

0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:23.520
<v Speaker 3>that blow, is that this friendship will continue.

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 1>But of course it never does.

0:25:25.400 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 3>So I enjoyed the idea of just being able to

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:29.639
<v Speaker 3>put it on out there of like, let's be friends

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 3>and never speak again, because that's what's going to really

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 3>happen here.

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Valensoline's stea just oh that the pressure of it just.

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Makes me, I know, And I would love to say

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.199
<v Speaker 3>that I'm one of those women who doesn't have that

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.040
<v Speaker 3>pressure because it's like this hallmark thing and it's this

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.919
<v Speaker 3>extra But then you see all the people around you

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 3>being showered with it, and then there's this other feeling

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:50.520
<v Speaker 3>of like, ugh, don't do anything.

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 1>But then ooh, you got me Roses, red Roses. You

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:56.360
<v Speaker 1>think I'm a red Roses girl. There's so typical, and it's.

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 3>Like everyone likes I'm a more unique flower, like girls

0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:02.240
<v Speaker 3>are crazy, but there's just there's no winning on that.

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:04.959
<v Speaker 2>If you ever been in a rest on Valentine's Day

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:07.439
<v Speaker 2>where it's just like exclusively couples all trying to do

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the same like.

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 3>Valentine, know, that's just gross, right, It's just it's it's

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:13.960
<v Speaker 3>such a show of love and such a phony manner.

0:26:14.000 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 3>But I mean to for the real romantics out there

0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 3>who have planned this and love this day.

0:26:19.400 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm not knocking it.

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:21.800
<v Speaker 3>It's just it sounds like you and me are on

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 3>the same path that it's not been working for us.

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we should say that anybody who did celebrate Valentine's Day.

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I hope you a really really great time, but.

0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 1>We hope you got from Red Roses exactly.

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 2>And not all the other click stuff that you were

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 2>hoping for. You're a notoriously prolific writer. You write a

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of songs in the run up to emotion. How

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>many songs was it and then then the run up

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>to dedicate it? I mean it was like hundreds of songs, right.

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was about two hundred both rounds.

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that means that somewhere there's about three hundred

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and eighty Kylie way Jepson songs.

0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I think about that a lot. It makes me sad really.

0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, tell me a bit about that. Like those

0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.639
<v Speaker 2>songs are, they're there, They've been kind of demo perhaps

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>or like.

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 3>Well, we produce some of them, sometimes multiple versions, sometimes

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:06.679
<v Speaker 3>multiple vocal cuts.

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.360
<v Speaker 3>I workshop a lot of them simultaneously until it gets

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:12.320
<v Speaker 3>to a place where I feel like I can definitely

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 3>make a vote and that other people can have an opinion.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 1>But some of them are like full on done, Like.

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.520
<v Speaker 3>I think I have this poster up in my house

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 3>and it says I think I think too much. And

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 3>they came after I bought it off this artist after

0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 3>the song too Much came out that I met in Amsterdam,

0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 3>And it's true, I really do love the process of songwriting,

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 3>so that makes it really easy to really delve in

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.560
<v Speaker 3>and dive and want to travel to the places and

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 3>meet that one person that I felt like I would

0:27:42.160 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 3>connect with because their production was perfect for what I

0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 3>was trying to make. And that took me down a

0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 3>spiral of just both times, just having such a collection

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 3>of material and so much of it was experimental that

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 3>it went to that side, and then the other side

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 3>was just started, like the cream started to float to

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 3>the top, and I started to have a bit of

0:27:58.320 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 3>an image of what I was making.

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>And honestly, I.

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Wish I was one of those writers that could just

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:05.560
<v Speaker 3>go in write eight songs and be like here you

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.119
<v Speaker 3>go and hand it in. But I've learned to not

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:11.240
<v Speaker 3>judge my process because in all of the traveling, in

0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 3>all of the sessions, I always feel like I'm becoming

0:28:14.160 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 3>a better writer because I'm taking away from even how

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 3>other people look at music and even trying on when

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 3>you're not in that prolific place of like what resources

0:28:23.840 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 3>can I use here to like figure out what this

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.520
<v Speaker 3>melody needs or what's wrong with this song? I think

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:30.960
<v Speaker 3>it's a great passion of mine. And as you can see,

0:28:31.000 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 3>I can talk tireusly about it and I just I yeah,

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.360
<v Speaker 3>whether that makes me nuts, I don't know.

0:28:38.680 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you're familiar with her work, But

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>we had an artist called Kate Tempest on the podcast

0:28:42.280 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>not too long ago, and we were talking about a similar,

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>similar thing, and her viewpoint on it was that she

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>writes a lot of songs when it comes to creating

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>a new body of work, but if it doesn't make

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the final cut, if it doesn't make those final ten

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 2>or twelve tracks, even though those pieces of art have

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>been made, she will never release them because looking back,

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>she's always basically trying to capture whatever's going on in

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 2>her mind right then. So she then goes to make

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>a new album in sort of two or three years time,

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 2>she's thinking, I just need to concentrate on writing something

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>that I feel now, and I don't want to kind

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>of pull something from the archive of you know, ten

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>years ago to put on it. Her point was that

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>maybe it would feel a bit out of context.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.360
<v Speaker 3>I thought that way with the with the B sides

0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 3>of emotion, Like the night before I was going to

0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 3>print or whatever you want to call it, I remember

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 3>calling Johnnyman my A and R at the time and saying.

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Abort mission, like I can't do it.

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 3>The songs I've been so stale in my mind, and

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I'd been living with them for so long, and I

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:40.520
<v Speaker 3>was just really terrified of doing anything that was like

0:29:40.600 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>less than my absolute best and these felt like a

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 3>different period of my life.

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:46.440
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, please, Carly.

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:49.880
<v Speaker 3>We've we've done so much work, We've mixed them, like

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 3>you've spent forever on this artwork, like please trust me,

0:29:53.320 --> 0:29:56.000
<v Speaker 3>it will be okay, and it's B sides like no

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 3>one's expecting.

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay, And then I did it, and

0:29:58.600 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad I did.

0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 3>And I really I had this real, great, like intense

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 3>sort of anxiety fear about sharing something that wasn't exactly

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 3>everything I might have wanted it to be. And in

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 3>making the dedicated album already from the beginning, I was

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 3>hoping that I would be able to have a B

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 3>side eventually down the road too. So I feel like

0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 3>the B sides this time that I will be hopefully

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 3>one day sharing.

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Equally to the first one. I love it because I've

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:26.560
<v Speaker 3>given it the same value knowing that it was going

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 3>to maybe becoming. So it's almost like a side be

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 3>rather than a side two, rather than like a B sides.

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 3>And I'm not so scared to share them of anything.

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 3>I have the opposite feeling to her of like I

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 3>will be gutted if I don't get to give these

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:40.320
<v Speaker 3>babies some life.

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<v Speaker 2>From what you've described in the idea that maybe sometimes

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you're not that decisive or find it difficult to be decisive.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Is that the most painful part of the process, given that,

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>like you said, you write and you record such a

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.719
<v Speaker 2>volume of material and then it's like, okay, due to

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the format, like I'm going to have to basically choose

0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the twelve or the fourteen or for each individual project.

0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have a hard time that, Like not hard

0:31:04.000 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 3>where I'm like tormented and the night not sleeping over that.

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 3>It's more that I really go around in circles on it,

0:31:10.760 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 3>and I look at it from different angles, and I

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 3>ask a lot of people, which kind of messes me

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:19.080
<v Speaker 3>up to because everyone has different boddy opinions. But I

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>think even from that process, there's like a little med

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 3>science to the fact that the same six to eight

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>start to show themselves with people who are really different

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 3>in their styles of music, and that was really helpful

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 3>for me. I kind of like secretly use them as

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 3>my a and rs to be like, oh my gosh,

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:38.360
<v Speaker 3>my stepmother who's like only into like Tina Turner and stuff,

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 3>is into the same song that like my.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Hipster bass player loves.

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Like that's telling to me. Let's pay attention means recent

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 3>It helps.

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>When I'm going when I think I think I'm overthinking.

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it must be really overwhelming, definitely at that point

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>in the process. To talk about next steps. You talked

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 2>about a little bit about new music, but in the

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>past what you've done, Like when you've made a new

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:01.719
<v Speaker 2>record and you've gone and you've played shows and you've toured,

0:32:01.920 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>and you've also deliberately done other projects in between, people

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>know you're working kind of musical theater, like you start

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 2>on Broadway in Cinderella a few years ago, you did

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>the Greece live production in twenty sixteen. First off, before

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 2>we talk a little bit about that, your love of

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 2>musical theater that goes back a long time to school days, right, Yes,

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:22.040
<v Speaker 2>is that where it all started.

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I grew up in Mission, BC, where there was

0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.400
<v Speaker 3>a beautiful theater built attached to one of the high schools.

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 3>So I was attending a different high school actually at

0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 3>the time and day where the other school with the

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 3>theater was putting on the production of Annie. And this

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 3>was in my grade eighth year. I went an auditioned,

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.000
<v Speaker 3>even though I didn't belong to the school, and I

0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 3>got it, and.

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I was so stoked. I was so hyped.

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 3>But it meant that I had to like kind of

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 3>be going from one school to the other. And I

0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 3>can remember the night of closing night of Annie. I

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>was crying to my parents and I was.

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Like, what if I'm just this child star?

0:33:00.680 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 3>They like burst out laughing, They're like, currently, nobody knows

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 3>who you are.

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Like it was a high school production area I thought

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>I was. I thought it was like the peak of

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:11.719
<v Speaker 1>my life, and maybe it was.

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, now I felt really in love with how

0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 3>comfortable I felt being on stage, which surprised everyone.

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean the most of all, because my.

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 3>Father loves music, my all my family are very musical,

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 3>but they're all a little like stage fright is a

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.600
<v Speaker 3>real thing for us. So yeah, I actually instead, I

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 3>felt a real confidence that I might not have anywhere

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>else in my life as soon as I hit the stage.

0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 2>And which are you more relaxed with when you go

0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 2>on tour? Now, So you take, for example, the European tour,

0:33:41.080 --> 0:33:45.840
<v Speaker 2>You'll be playing shows pretty much consecutive in different cities,

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>but for say two or three weeks performing on Broadway,

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:50.480
<v Speaker 2>you're in the same theater and you're doing maybe like

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 2>a three month run and it's what seven shows a

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>week or something like that, or six seven shows a

0:33:55.200 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 2>week like matinees and everything else. How do you approach

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>how do you feel about those two disciplines of performance like.

0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Very different, very different?

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think I learned when I finally did the

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 3>Broadway situation. I fell in love with that too. Was

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 3>obviously a big upgrade from the high school musicals. There

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 3>were a whole bunch of different rules and a different

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 3>world to learn. But I was craving that at the

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 3>time because I had just come from like a whirlwind

0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 3>of being catapulted into this like kind of fame game

0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden, and then I knew I wanted

0:34:25.360 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 3>to like kind of like pop that la bubble check

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 3>my head, like figure out what else I could kind

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.919
<v Speaker 3>of entertain myself with for a second. Well, I kind

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 3>of also needed a break from fixating on like radio

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.959
<v Speaker 3>and that's it. And so when this opportunity came around,

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 3>I jumped at it and I just fell into the

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 3>world of like all these new rules, these wonderful new

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.360
<v Speaker 3>people who it like thank God, embraced me, wanted to

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 3>like teach me their ways, and I loved it. I

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 3>think they were smart though, because they asked me on

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 3>the like second month and or like.

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>You want to extend and I was like yes, yeah, And.

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 3>Then of course by like month five or sort of

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 3>like this is so repetitive, like I can't. It was

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.480
<v Speaker 3>good because it meant that I was ready and refreshed

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:12.319
<v Speaker 3>to go back out into my own show where the

0:35:12.320 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 3>spontane like the spontaneity is just like so alive, and

0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 3>I have all the rules and I run the show

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 3>of like what I wear, what I say, what I change,

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 3>not going to do this song today, going to.

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>Talk over here with with bad Way. It's all about blocking.

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.760
<v Speaker 3>So you have to hit that note on that moment,

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>on that X when the light goes like this, and

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 3>as soon as you kind of feel like you've you

0:35:32.840 --> 0:35:35.160
<v Speaker 3>don't have anything else to perfect, or you've gone as

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 3>far as you can take it. It can become, at

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 3>least for me, a little bit repetitious and mundane. So

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:43.439
<v Speaker 3>I had to always be looking at how it could

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:46.080
<v Speaker 3>improve it to stay really present, because because if I

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.520
<v Speaker 3>ever started to feel satisfied or something like that, then

0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 3>I was just kind of like too much like clockwork

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.319
<v Speaker 3>and not fair to the audience that came.

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I haven't played Annie at school and played Cinderella on

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.919
<v Speaker 2>Broadway and played Frenchy in Greece. Yes, what other dream

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:01.439
<v Speaker 2>roles are out there? If you were to do something

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.600
<v Speaker 2>like that again? Would you do something like that again?

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:05.359
<v Speaker 2>Or if do you feel like you've is that a

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 2>box ticked? Or do you think no, I'd be interested

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.359
<v Speaker 2>in doing that again. It's the right thing came alone.

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 1>It depends. I mean, I think I don't want to

0:36:12.800 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>say never.

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 3>I really feel like it's it was something that was

0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 3>a bucket list for me and that I did get

0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 3>the full blown New York experience of Broadway, which, like

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:23.000
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe.

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm even saying it to you right now, that's crazy.

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 3>That's it's just as equal of a dream to me

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 3>as any sort of other thing that I've done.

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>But I think I'd be more interested in.

0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Actually this is like five year down the road plan,

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.000
<v Speaker 3>but of being involved in like the writing of a

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 3>pop musical or being one of the like the musical

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:45.320
<v Speaker 3>aspects of that team, just because I think I've learned

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 3>so much from the own my own songwriting that I've done.

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 3>But I have such a history of like loving and

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 3>watching and even being in musicals, not just Anny, but

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 3>like throughout high school it was like Dorothy in the

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 3>way like it's been a big part of who I

0:36:58.040 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 3>am that I would I would love to look at

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.239
<v Speaker 3>storytelling and get to bring it into the world of

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.320
<v Speaker 3>music that I'm passionate about making.

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 2>The world of theater. I mean, we can only really

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.240
<v Speaker 2>speak for say like London's West End, but it feels

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:11.560
<v Speaker 2>like the same shows have been around for a long time,

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:14.560
<v Speaker 2>and so every couple of years something comes along that's

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>that's brand new, like written originally. Would do you think

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you would like want to do something from scratch with

0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 2>its own narrative or would you adapt like a well

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 2>known story of you What do you think you'd been.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 3>In favor of We've been having those exact conversations, like

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 3>recently with our team, and I think I almost don't

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 3>want to speak too much on it because it's like,

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 3>don't talk about the thing that you haven't done yet,

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Like it's just a kind of dreaming out loud. But

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 3>knowing that this is sort of one of those things

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.680
<v Speaker 3>that maybe you bring it into fruition by putting it

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 3>out there and just start the conversations. I don't have

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:49.680
<v Speaker 3>all the answers to those questions yet.

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Though, fortunately Andrew Lloyd Webber is a regular listener to

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>this podcast, so it would be absolutely fine.

0:37:55.640 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>There you go, perfect, Oh my dreams Country.

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Consider that a commission. It's fun. It sounds like that

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 2>would be the kind of main ambition outside of continue

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 2>to make music, right, Like, I mean a little bit

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:07.160
<v Speaker 2>earlier you mentioned like you know, you've always got to

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of got projects in mind. Is there anything else

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of bubbling under that you're interested in exploring?

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Yes? And no.

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.360
<v Speaker 3>I feel like right now when I'm in like the

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 3>terrain mode that I'm in right now, it's like to

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 3>survive that is sort of one track mindy. It's just

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 3>about the performance and the travel and being present, and

0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 3>it's a really joyful time for me because I write

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.439
<v Speaker 3>a lot when I'm on the road, so that's kind

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.960
<v Speaker 3>of its own little protective world for me, which will

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:31.959
<v Speaker 3>kind of dissipate as soon as I get back into

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 3>like kind of more chill home life, a festival home

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 3>life a festival, and I think that's when my brain

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>will start ticking off, like the answer to those questions

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 3>of what's next. Are we diving into this part of

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:44.240
<v Speaker 3>by project? Is it going to be the next album

0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.800
<v Speaker 3>right away? My feeling is that I really have a

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 3>hunger and my belly to get back into the studio soon,

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 3>only because that thing that doesn't happen to me all

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 3>the time has been happening lately where I'm waking up

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:57.440
<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the night with the urge to

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:00.640
<v Speaker 3>get something out and to write something down to record

0:39:00.640 --> 0:39:03.080
<v Speaker 3>it on my phone. And that's always a really exciting

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 3>time to pay attention, because that's when the best stuff happens,

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:09.240
<v Speaker 3>when you're not trying and it's just kind of happening

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:09.440
<v Speaker 3>to you.

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:12.040
<v Speaker 2>You hinted earlier that maybe it's like might experiment with

0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:14.720
<v Speaker 2>doing something different in terms of just getting the music

0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 2>out there that sort of suggests that maybe you'll be

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 2>like you want to be a bit more spontaneous with

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:20.480
<v Speaker 2>like if you have an idea, you want to kind

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 2>of share it quicker, or.

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.319
<v Speaker 3>I hope I can eventually become that way. I am

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 3>definitely wanting to not take a four year break in between.

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 3>I can say that for sure. But I am a

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 3>lover of an album. I you know, it's old fashioned.

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I love I love versus the world of like just

0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:37.320
<v Speaker 3>singles that we live and I can I can embrace

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 3>that to an extent, but I'm always going to want

0:39:39.280 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 3>to have a body of work that just flows in

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 3>a way that you can hold it in your hand

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:46.319
<v Speaker 3>and it was it's a present someone gave you, and

0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:50.240
<v Speaker 3>it's an offering of a whole bunch of stories of life,

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 3>and I think I love how they work together and

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:56.280
<v Speaker 3>out like the songs of an album. So I can't

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 3>promise that I'm going to be one of those artists

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 3>that has this song out every month, because I care

0:40:01.760 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 3>too much about the beauty of the project.

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:06.360
<v Speaker 2>And also, you mentioned earlier when when you're out on

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.160
<v Speaker 2>the road, like I know that sometimes you try and

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 2>see a bit of the places where you go like

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 2>visit local art gallery or museum, or or go running

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It is, like, what, yeah, what you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to doing over the next few weeks last in Europe?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that you've identified as stuff that you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a real foodie.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a rather food obsessed and I'm not I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not ashamed. So wherever we go, like I swear,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be in the middle of eating lunch and I'll

0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 3>be talking about like what are we going to do

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<v Speaker 3>for dinner?

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>They're like guys settled down, eat your past.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, I think that's one of the joys of

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 3>traveling is getting to try all of the restaurants on

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.239
<v Speaker 3>your list, all the different kind of things. And we

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 3>research ahead, like all of us kind of collectively of

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 3>what where we want to go with when we get

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:55.400
<v Speaker 3>to Tokyo, where do we want to go when we

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 3>get to Paris, and like and the same for here.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a great experience last night.

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<v Speaker 3>I also, I think, I think in terms of a

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 3>tourist stuff, I've really learned the lesson. This has kind

0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:11.120
<v Speaker 3>of been my first time touring so heavily as the headliner,

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 3>and I've learned the lesson of just like how like

0:41:13.480 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 3>health is wealth, Like you need to stay regiment And

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 3>that sounds kind of a go boring thing on my list,

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 3>but like.

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Just look after your voice basically, do you mean just your.

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 3>Physical world, real life, like you will exercise, get that

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 3>sleep because it is a gruelling situation. I don't think

0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 3>people can really understand until you've done a bus tour

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.200
<v Speaker 3>and our show is an energy pack.

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>So I've so far had a record.

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<v Speaker 3>Of never really having to miss one, and I want

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 3>to keep that going. And then on top of it,

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<v Speaker 3>I think, yeah, like you said, if we have days off,

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do some shopping in Paris, I've got

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<v Speaker 3>some friends to meet up with in a couple of

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 3>different spots.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, yeah, that's that's the main goals.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your favorite moment in the set at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like a song or a handful of

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 2>songs that sit together that where they just know, like

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm always just looking forward to that moment in the

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 2>live set.

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean I really love actually the opening in a

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 3>way there's the bandboys kind of take the stage by

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:11.720
<v Speaker 3>themselves and really kind of get the energy going and

0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:14.000
<v Speaker 3>there's this like dramatic walk I get to do up

0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.879
<v Speaker 3>these stairs, and like there's like this feeling and every

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 3>time I turn to my right and I lock eyes

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 3>with my drummer and he always just kind of like

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 3>winks at me, or we have that knowing look like

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 3>are you ready to have fun? And it's real and

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 3>because we all are having fun, like it is a

0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 3>joyful experience for my guitarist, for my bassis, for Sophie

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 3>and my backup singer, and for Nick and Jared, and

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 3>we just we really love each other. We've been touring

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:39.920
<v Speaker 3>together for a very long time, some of us like

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 3>up to ten years, and except for Sophie, she's just

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 3>new this year. But because of that, I think we're

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of offering to the audience like we're all all

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 3>of us here. We're all gonna be like a family tonight,

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:55.480
<v Speaker 3>like let go of your inhibitions and like let's dance.

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 3>The joy is when that works, And then I think

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 3>the other answers I was really I spay this, but

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 3>my favorite song to perform live out of all of

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 3>them is probably want You in My Room, which is

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 3>one of those songs I was even scared to put

0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:09.399
<v Speaker 3>on the album because I'm like, it's a little cum hither,

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 3>like it's not like holding anything back, and yet it's like, yeah,

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 3>so we'll see how this flies. And it's been really

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:20.200
<v Speaker 3>fun to see that. You know, anytime that I'm afraid

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:23.400
<v Speaker 3>that I've gotten too weird or too quirky for someone

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 3>to maybe digest it, I'm always amazed that that's like

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 3>the song that ends up being celebrated the most. And

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:30.759
<v Speaker 3>maybe that's that's a good lesson to mine.

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:32.359
<v Speaker 2>I want you to watch out when you're playing. When

0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I needed you to look out into the crowd and

0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 2>see the guy in the Slayer T shirt rocking out

0:43:37.560 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 2>first night. You got to keep you. It's going to happen. Okay,

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.799
<v Speaker 2>final question, So it's just about that thing that we

0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:44.360
<v Speaker 2>talked a bit about at the top of the podcast,

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 2>which is just about how you seem to have this

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:50.760
<v Speaker 2>ability to be able to bring people of different varieties

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and you know, backgrounds and everything together that it's kind

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.759
<v Speaker 2>of like your music and your your your personality is

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 2>a sort of unifier and in that moment of like

0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.800
<v Speaker 2>getting a room full of people from all different backgrounds

0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and ages and gender and everything else, do you feel

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 2>proud of effectively bringing people from those different backgrounds together.

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<v Speaker 3>This is gonna be a complicated answer, but just as

0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 3>you were saying that, I was thinking, you know, in

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:16.360
<v Speaker 3>my childhood of living in two homes with four parents

0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 3>who are all extremely different, I think the one thing

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 3>that and I switched every two days my whole life,

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 3>so use a lot of like who am I now?

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:25.520
<v Speaker 1>But in a beautiful way.

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 3>I think what I took away from that is just

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 3>like they all looked at life differently. They all had

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.879
<v Speaker 3>their own really strong opinions, and there was something that

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 3>I loved about each and every one of them, and

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:37.240
<v Speaker 3>when I was talking direct one on one, that person

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 3>made the most sense, and vice versa. And I think

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 3>that's something I've really taken away from when I left

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:45.760
<v Speaker 3>home of just like every person that I've come across

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:47.960
<v Speaker 3>has their story, and once you get to know what

0:44:48.000 --> 0:44:50.240
<v Speaker 3>you will love them. When we put on these shows,

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:52.359
<v Speaker 3>I think like a secret mission statement in my own

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.200
<v Speaker 3>head is just like, let's make a room that is

0:44:55.480 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 3>just full of that feeling of like acceptance for like

0:44:58.520 --> 0:44:59.480
<v Speaker 3>whoever you are.

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Whatever you whatever you believe, whatever you feel.

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Just come here tonight and just like be that same

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 3>way with everyone that you meet. And the greatest joy

0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 3>is when I look down at the audience and I

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 3>see strangers who are just embracing each other like their family,

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:13.799
<v Speaker 3>Like how cool to be in that room.

0:45:13.960 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm again like I said, it's the gift of my life. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>good night,