WEBVTT - Too Paid to be Present | MiniPod 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.840 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:04.359 with Resent Choice Media. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:06.760 Well Come, well, come, well come, well come, well. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:11.160 Come, come, Welcome home, y'all. We're here for this week's 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:13.800 mini pod. And I'll just tell you guys, I was 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:16.640 just telling Angela a story, but I didn't get a 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:18.079 chance to get her opinion on it, so we're going 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.800 to talk about that on the mini pod. So I'll 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:25.479 tell y'all the story now. So, I uh saw a 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.000 black woman at the airport and we just started making 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:33.720 small talk, and she obviously does well for herself, you know, 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:38.840 and we were both in the priority line and we're 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:43.080 just chatting, and she starts talking about how challenging it's 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.880 been in the private sector these days. And I was saying, yeah, 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:51.320 there's been some really great writing contextualizing you know how 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.920 challenging it is. And she says, again, y'all is a 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:58.000 black woman. She says, yeah, it's so frustrating. I just 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.400 feel like people don't like when we make money, Like 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.280 they just get mad at people who work in corporate 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:07.440 America who make money. And I am immediately offended at 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.080 this entire sentiment, and thankfully one of our other friends 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:12.480 was there. I want to say who that is. I 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.640 don't think she'll care. Joe taka Jo Taica was there. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:18.120 Joe Taica Edie who you guys know leads win with 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.240 black women and it's just a phenomenal person. A phenomenal 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:23.120 singer too, if you are lucky enough to hear sing. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:27.240 And so I am immediately like, you know, ready to 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.440 attack you know. So I'm like, that's not true at all. 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:33.520 People don't like when you make money on a system 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.280 that's crushing them. I don't think people are just looking 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.280 at you like I'm mad that you make money. But 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:43.319 Joe Taica came in very softly, but directly and contextualize 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.520 it a lot better than I did, because I immediately 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.960 felt like I don't like this black woman because she 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.600 sound like them and it feels like she moved like them. 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:55.760 But what is a better way to deal because in 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.160 my space, I'm like, I don't want to know you. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:00.400 You know, we're not the same, and I don't want 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.680 to try to convince you, you know, because like you 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.440 fifty something years old, you feel how you feel. But 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.160 I just immediately I'm like, I don't I don't like it. 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.720 How do you think you would have handled What are 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:10.760 your thoughts about all of it? 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.240 Sometimes I can be I think, defensive and combative, and 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.680 I think other times something is so mind blowing I 0:02:20.720 --> 0:02:24.120 want to understand why. So I think I would have said, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:26.000 I mean, I like to believe I would have said, 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.240 can you. 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:28.720 Tell me what you're talking about? 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:30.919 Like, tell me what you mean by they don't want 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.760 you to make money? Yeah, just to unpack what she 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:35.480 could have meant. 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:36.600 I think that. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.320 We're in an error right now where that type of 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:47.720 fundamental misunderstanding is deadly, and I think we're seeing that 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:52.960 across the board. I think there is like it's like 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.600 the proletariat rising kind of vibes yeah right now and. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:58.440 Yeah. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:04.720 So I just I'm puzzled by what she means, especially 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.880 when the proletaria rising is the reason why maybe she 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.000 got her bonus last year or the year before, because 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.160 people saw her humanity and wanted to ensure that she 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:16.840 was paid the same as everybody else. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:18.280 I think. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:24.800 What isn't fair is the widening gap, and I wish 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.040 that she could, Yeah, the widening gap between incomes for 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.320 folks who are at the entry level jobs to the 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.119 folks that sit in the c suite, and I guess 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.800 I would ask that sister, like, what do your parents do? 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.000 What did your grandparents do? You know, how would they 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.760 feel about X y Z? Really just trying to understand 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.480 it now. She might come back and be like, well, 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:50.240 I'm a fourth generation trust fund baby, or you know 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:50.880 whatever she. 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.400 Said after she caught the vibe. It feels like she 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:55.080 tried to change it a little. So when I came 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.720 from dirt to get this, which made me even more angry. 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.840 What are you talking about then? 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:01.160 Like? 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.560 Were you mad at people making money? 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:04.000 You know? 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:06.320 Like, how did you feel when you came from this dirt? 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.120 You say? And you saw all the people around you 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.440 making money on this system of capitalism that does not 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:12.320 always serve. 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:15.000 Us, you know, TIFFs, I'm gonna tell you, I think 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.880 that you're well, I'll just acknowledge this. I think that 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.679 all of us are wired differently. We're like, it's truly 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.200 that we're defined by our own experiences. There are some 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.880 people who come from dirt who are like I never 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:36.240 want to experience that again, and I'm gonna claw whatever. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.080 And however, even if it means you to stay in that, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.800 like I'm gonna sink my clause in this to make 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:48.040 sure I never experienced that again. Yeah, and we don't 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.800 know who she's financially responsible for, Like she might be 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:57.000 feeling threatened in a way that's not rational, or maybe 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:58.800 it is rare. I don't know what are experiences at work. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.359 She might be getting reprimanded at work for being blessed. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:05.600 She's going through all of this because in the DEI space, 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:08.280 like she's had to change her job title, just all 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.960 of this, and I just couldn't believe she said that. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:11.600 But I'll tell you, it's making me think of something 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.159 else that we got into last week. So many people 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.960 commented on this, and we didn't even talk about it, 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.440 girl Gail. When I started talking about Gail and you 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:19.559 were like, I love you, Gil. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.680 De'stivity throwing shape. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.800 A lot, and I just still feel this way. A 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.440 lot of people are highly offended at her comments, which 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.640 I am too. What does she say when there was 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:35.640 criticism around her going into space and also her love 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.080 for Jeff Bezos, people had a problem with that, and 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.280 so it was all this criticism, very loud voices, and 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.080 so she was doing an interview with somebody and she 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.040 looks at the cameras like have you been to space? 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.560 And then black women lost their minds. They were like what, 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.479 and they were people were filming all these responses to 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.360 her like no, I haven't been to space. I'm paying 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.440 two mortgages, or I'm taking care of kids, or i'm 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.640 you know, And it does feel. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.560 Like Jamison in that moment to be like, actually, yes. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.640 Well, but that was another thing too, of calling herself 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:08.640 an astronaut, you know, because she was like, I have 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:10.600 so much trouble calling myself astronaut. But I guess since 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.840 I've been in the space. I was like, right, You're 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:18.239 not right, right, And so it does feel like sometimes 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.960 that wealth can read disconnect. I volunteer as tribute to 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:29.560 get some wealth and show that I disconnected. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.600 If you get runner of a million dollars signa. 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.200 I really think I would give a lot of money 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.680 away because it's hard for me and to be honest 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.520 with you when you say when you come from nothing, 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.719 part of me does feel that way. To be honest, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.720 I don't ever want to go back. I don't like 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.760 I was born in Cleveland. Anytime I go to Cleveland, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.200 I could break out in hives. I'm sweat, I can't 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.960 stand it. I get the memories of the time that 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.240 I spent there. I always want to get I had 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.200 to speaking engagement there. I couldnot wait to leave. No 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.080 dis to Cleveland, and of course and the people who 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.320 live there. I have family there. But I just those times, 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.279 I just I don't like it. The State of the 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.960 People tour is kicking off this weekend in Atlanta, and 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:16.240 it's not It's not a space for me to go 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.720 and learn, you know, it's a space. It's like I'm 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:22.680 revisiting a space of when I didn't have and I 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.360 sometimes I don't want to revisit that space, and I'm 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.480 panicked all the time that I'm gonna I literally it 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.440 is PTSD growing up without in black because I'm panicked 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.600 all the time that at any point I'm gonna be 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:39.520 living that way again. Yeah, Like I always think you'll 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.800 appreciate this having lived in DC. I'm like, at some point, 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.720 i feel like I'm a wake up in a nightmare 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:47.160 where I'm living out in Laurel and public assistance, you know, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.640 in a little twenty year old vehicle that barely runs, 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:53.400 and it is such a panic for me. So I 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.640 am like that in some levels, but I don't want 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.520 my people in that space. I want to help my 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.880 people as much as I can get out. And I 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:05.160 feel so connected to my people who live like that. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.640 And I know how I felt having people come and 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.200 talk and watching people on TV. I felt such a 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.480 disconnect from those people. All right, we got to take 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:16.520 a quick break. And yes, we have noticed all your 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.840 comments about the ads that run during this show. And 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.760 let me just say, if they pay for it, then 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.600 it's run on this show. Speaking of let's row these ads. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:34.360 We'll see you on the other side. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.080 But that's the thing too. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.960 I think that we sometimes are under the assumption that 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:47.080 wealth is the only disconnector yes, you know, working in 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:51.280 politics can be a disconnector working in media can be 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.160 a disconnector. I think that we all have maybe a 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.560 collective obligation if we had a call to action from 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.560 the podcast. Maybe it's finding other ways to connect with 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.000 people who you feel like you don't have anything in 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.600 common with. We're saying stuff to get on your nerves. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.800 For me, people that you know, I normally don't spend 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.560 a lot of time with. And I think that is 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.800 why I am so excited about the tour, because I 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:20.280 don't I don't crave disconnection. I actually really crave connection 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.600 and knowing how to best advocate for my folks and 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.000 also how to connect with my folks. I don't want 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.440 to be disconnected. I think that's the greatest insult. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:30.400 You know. 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.080 Sometimes I have it. Sometimes I don't, you know, And 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:35.720 it's not on purpose. I just I'm like, either my 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.319 patience is run thin, or I'm like, how could. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.480 You think that? That's south dumb or whatever it is. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.120 But I want I don't want to be that way. 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.320 I want to be able to lean and live into grace, 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.960 and I think that I think that the way to 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.959 do that is through conscious connection. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:56.040 So I am not an astronaut. I do love Gail. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.720 I hate that she that she did, but you know 0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.559 what I was, I did. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:02.320 Feel a little empathy for right when you were talking 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.000 about she was saying she loves just Jeff Bezos. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:05.760 That's her friend, right. 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:10.080 I guess for me, I have some rich friends and 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:11.800 I don't want nobody talking about them. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.120 But they're yes. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.120 But if you're I mean, and I do have some 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.320 and they have good hearts and they do really good things. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:25.079 Look on her friend, and I ain't rid so exactly, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.520 but I think if your friendship robs you of logic 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.280 and facts, then it's hard to have a conversation about it. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.040 Well, I am very illogical about y'all, but I not. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:38.240 Like if somebody comes to you and they're like, you know, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.120 I didn't like what Tiffany said, and this is why, Like, 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:43.559 I don't expect you to be robbed the logic in fact, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.760 you know, like in that moment, you you might well 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.960 just so you know, that's my girl. But I hear you, 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.079 and thanks for sharing, you know. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.320 But I'm also going to be like that, don't sound 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:53.600 like her. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.880 Let me find out what something that you heard, something 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.160 that you too disagree with or you feel like, yeah, 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:00.800 that that that I know Tiffany did this thing, and 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.040 I think that thing is wrong. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.120 Give me an example. 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.120 Why don't do anything wrong? And everything right? 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.520 So this is true? She doesn't do anything wrong. Never, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:10.480 I'm sure. 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.600 I'm sure. Oh, I know the one I didn't want 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.720 to show the video the Trump supporters and you wanted 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:17.400 to show the video. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:19.320 But just that. 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:20.839 But if people are coming up with you like she 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.120 get on my nerves, like I want. 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.480 To do that, I would be hot. I'd be like, no, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.280 she don't get on my nerves. You don't get to 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:26.840 say that to me. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:28.600 I'm telling you, I'm not logical. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.040 You can say that, but but you can say I 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:32.839 take your point. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:35.800 You know, they cannot come to me and tell me 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.920 that you get on their I don't even know you. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:38.600 That's true. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:39.400 No, I'm not. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.439 I'm not ever going to be a receptacle for mess 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.480 for my friends. Yeah, I'm not doing it, even for 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.400 people that are associates, I'm not doing it. 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:47.760 I'm not doing it. 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:49.440 Well, then I would say that because that's true someone. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.760 I want people to be that fiercely protective of me. 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:54.680 I was gonna say if somebody said it came to 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:56.400 me like Angela get on my nerves like that would 0:11:56.440 --> 0:12:05.520 be a challenge for me. Okay, I want to talk 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.400 about the time that I almost got into a fight. 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:12.840 We almost got into a fight. I mean, this was 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:17.000 disrespectful on the elevator and I told her if I 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.480 see him, I was gonna say something. 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.920 But I'm saying and she did say something, and I did, and. 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.960 I was ready to throw something. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.800 You were better on you were actually better on this. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.720 I can't. I can't like act. 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:31.840 I just said I was really nervous. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.720 And believe me. And I said, if I see him, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:34.680 I'm gonna say they need to. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.760 Stay reading books because this is not the ministry. 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:40.560 It really isn't my ministry. But I'm willing to fight. 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.160 I'm willing to fist fight for my friends. So I 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:46.520 take your point. But I think for a Jeff Bezos 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.400 type friendship, like you, if I come to us, say 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.640 Jeff Bezos is on some bullshit, like and if you're 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.600 saying to me, that's my friend and he we have 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.240 a disconnect here, you know. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.040 And you could say that, but I want you to 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:00.800 hear why I said that's my and I tell you 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:02.720 stuff all the time where you're like man, and I'm like, well, 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:03.560 let's talk about it. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:04.480 I don't know. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.920 I just feel like I hate when people sound bite us. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.680 I want to know, like the full context of what 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:13.520 she was going into and also like I'd love to 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.240 hear the extent of their friendship, like how did they 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.960 become friends? You know, what does it look like? What 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.560 are your favorite things about this person? Because maybe there's 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.079 a side of humanity we just don't see. 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.959 And I don't really care to be honest, like, I think, 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.920 if you know this person is causing he's funding a 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.560 person who's causing harm. He's aligned with people who are 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:33.760 causing harm to the greater good that I don't care 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.679 what his favorite food is. I don't care how y'all 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:37.800 met I'm looking at you sideways because you are so 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.040 connected to this person. You know, you have chosen this 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:43.760 friendship over this wide community of people who upheld you, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.680 cheered for you, and it feels like a disconnect because 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.440 now I'm saying, well, stay with your billionaire friends and 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.400 stay on that spaceship, because I don't know how much 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:54.079 space we have for you in community anymore. After you 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.840 flexed on everybody saying have you been to space number one? 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:04.040 At number two? Crazy? I'm not there yet, But I'm saying, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.440 if she cannot call out his role in the problem 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:08.920 that we're facing here, But I. 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.760 Don't think that's what Gail does, Like, I don't think 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.880 that a challenge. Dude, Well, okay, but in a position 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:17.319 to power, what is your point in ascending to. 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.920 This level hosting a show? And it's not bravery if 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.360 you don't have fear, like, of course, there's gonna be 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.560 a consequence. That's how you exercise bravery. And so if 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.040 you are not brave enough to say, hey, you know 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.800 this is a problem, or hey, I'm not gonna report 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.920 this like this okay, or hey I'm not gonna let 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.320 you sit here and disrespect Tanahasee coach who wrote this 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:40.160 brilliant book who deserves to have his point her. Hear that, 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:41.320 Then I got to question you. 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:41.960 I hear that. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.880 But also, we have friends in multiple spaces that make 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:46.840 decisions about when. 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:48.480 They're gonna challenge things and when they're not. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.720 So I just am saying like, I don't know, And 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.360 for me, I just I would want the benefit of 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.880 somebody asking me, and I can say that I have 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:03.240 experienced her. We both do United Justice Coalition together, and 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.360 otherwise I wouldn't know Gail. But I think that's one 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:10.720 of those spaces where it does flatten privilege. You know, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.760 there are people like a Crystal you know, who was 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.360 arrested for trying to exercise her franchise just because she 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:19.040 had a record. 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:20.960 We have people like. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:27.560 The mother of the man who died in Parchment, and 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.240 folks like Yale who will say I'm reporting on this, 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.880 I'm going to use my platform to share these stories, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.160 you know, like and when asked she's like absolutely. 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.200 So it's hard. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.320 For me because I don't expect her to show up 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:48.280 Like me, I do expect her to show up, and 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.720 I can say in that space, at least nine times 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.840 out of ten, maybe ten out of ten, she's showing up. Yeah, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.560 So I don't know. I mean, I people are multi 0:15:58.800 --> 0:15:59.760 have not been a space. 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.000 I have not been to space. I still have an issue. 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:03.320 I don't think I want to go on one of 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:04.880 them ships. Neither though I want to go. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.040 I'm not going on Jetzel's nothing. My issue is the 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.600 way this conversation started is about us and wealth, you know, 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:18.320 and how we can change when we have wealth, and 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.240 can we stay connected to community. We have to, we 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.080 have to, And I've seen a lot of people with 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.160 money get disconnected from community that it's just money. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:29.640 Though I think you can move out of your neighborhood 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:30.520 and get disconnected. 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:31.280 I think you can. 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.760 Get old and get disconnected. I said on the podcast 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.840 this week, I don't know nineteen keys. I feel so 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.240 disconnected from people. There is something even. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:41.280 About our elders. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.320 You can't move around the way that you used to 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.360 be able to move around, and you get disconnected. So 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.640 sometimes it's not even intentional, it's you are a product 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.560 of your circumstance. So I do think that I like 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:58.040 this idea of intentional, meaningful connection. I think that that 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.120 helps us live in grace and body grace and maybe 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.879 patience with each other. And maybe it gives us space 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.920 to confront somebody too, if you know what they're doing 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:10.280 is off. But I just I think that my weakness 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.400 is man. I hate when I get misunderstood somewhere online 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.600 or on from some media clip or whatever. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:16.840 I'm like, well, what's behind that? 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:22.000 Because misunderstood I mean, as you know, I will listen 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.240 and I'm a reader. She was not misunderstood. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:27.720 I mean, I'm saying maybe she doubled down in something 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:29.919 that was nonsense in that moment, but that's not the 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.320 totality of who she is. Like, I don't want people 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.600 to judge me off of snoop or you know what 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:36.840 comes up all the time. There's a moment where me 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:40.919 and Leonard were talking about Lewis Ferrikhn on a podcast 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.000 and I was frustrated at the time about what I 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.800 was hearing him say that felt anti semitic. 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.600 It was one clip. I don't think he's an anti semitic. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:52.440 I don't. I don't. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.919 I actually summarily reject it when I hear it every time. 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.000 But it came up and the minister actually ended up 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.760 reaching out. He was like, you know, young sister, I 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.639 just want to talk to you, and I was like, 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.639 I hope you know that that's not what I think is. 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.479 Now people quote it and say that I called him 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.399 dumb and like crazy stuff that I've never said, and 0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:13.800 it's frustrating because this is a man that I. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.760 Grew up looking at, looking up to. Yeah, my dad 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:17.760 went to the Millionaire March. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.800 I got to stay home and watch the Millionaire merch today, 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.520 so I would never you. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.720 Know, I think there are the masses can do that. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.440 There are a lot of people out there. I am 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:29.000 basing this on We're in the same industry. Years of 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.159 watching Gil being in the same spaces with her, I 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:34.879 feel like you and me together have probably been in 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.760 the same spaces with her. I've had conversations with Gail before. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.680 I based on everything that one of my friends is 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.640 her executive producer. I won't say her name. She might 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.520 have to disassociate for me now after I said this, 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.520 I know. But my point is that I'm not basing 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.879 this on a clipped byte. I would never, you know, 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.160 Like I am fully aware of some things that she's 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.240 done and said and their totality and space just being 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:05.880 the latest I was disappointed, as you know, and how 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.880 that time of Hot Sea Coaches interview. Yeah, so it's 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.480