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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Round Up.

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Speaker 2: I'm Cheryl McCollum and I'm joined as always by the.

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Speaker 1: One and only Nancy Grace Audy.

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Speaker 3: Hello, I'm very conflicted.

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Speaker 4: I'll just tell you that right off the top, I've

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Speaker 4: got Delphi happening, the search for Suzanne Clark Simpson is happening,

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Speaker 4: Toburger is lurking.

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Speaker 3: Around my head like a vampire.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, I'll just thrown Rex Huerman, although

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Speaker 5: in my mind he's that's over, he's done in, but

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Speaker 5: a fortun him and Diddy, Yes, Sean comes.

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Speaker 3: So all that's happening in my mind they're colliding.

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Speaker 2: Well, I ain't conflicted about something, so let me just

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Speaker 2: address something.

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Speaker 1: I was on Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: With Nancy Grace the other night and she gave such

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Speaker 2: a glowing introduction of me. Oh, Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert,

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Speaker 2: so smart, and you threw to me and I gave

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Speaker 2: you what I thought was a brilliant answer, well thought

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Speaker 2: out and without missing a beat, and I mean no hesitation.

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Speaker 2: You said, and I quote, well, I disagree completely.

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Speaker 3: What was it you said?

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Speaker 2: I said that he had picked the spot out where

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Speaker 2: he was going to murder somebody and lay in wait

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Speaker 2: and it happened to be Lakeland Riley.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, no, that's not at all what happened.

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Speaker 5: He was looking in women's windows. He was looking we're

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Speaker 5: talking about lake and Riley and Ibara the birth. He

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Speaker 5: was looking at other women's windows an hour or so

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Speaker 5: before she was murdered. So he wasn't out on some

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Speaker 5: trail lounging behind a tree up in a deer stand

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Speaker 5: watching the trail.

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Speaker 3: That did not happen.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, if you look at what we know,

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Speaker 5: he was looking at some other woman's window, probably trying

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Speaker 5: to see her in her underwear weirdo. And then he

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Speaker 5: tried to get somebody another woman's door creak, and then

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Speaker 5: he's out just like wandering like a predator, and he

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Speaker 5: sees her and bounces as soon he sees thinks instinctively

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Speaker 5: he's out of eyesight of other people. Right, So of

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Speaker 5: course I disagree because your story.

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Speaker 2: Was like beats, I love you dearly. Okay, listen, you

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Speaker 2: know Suzanne Simpson.

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Speaker 5: Well well wait, wait before we talk about Suzanne Clark Simpson,

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Speaker 5: can we just put rex Hireman in a lock box

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Speaker 5: and put hit him away because he like Diddy there's

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Speaker 5: so much evidence it's overwhelming. He'll have to do a

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Speaker 5: triple backflip and get a ten from all the judges

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Speaker 5: even had a chance of getting out. So can we

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Speaker 5: not worry about human right? That's done, Take that off

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Speaker 5: the table.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 5: And of course they have is chuck a jury yet.

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Speaker 5: I haven't heard one word of evidence, but I'm just

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Speaker 5: going to go in and say done. Now did he

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Speaker 5: They're still a way out for him if they pick,

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Speaker 5: If the defense picks the right jury and they get

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Speaker 5: one person on there that's a Diddy fan or Okay,

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Speaker 5: I don't don't know if you heard what I have

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Speaker 5: called the defense. The defense is basically saying all the

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Speaker 5: victims are hookers and hoes.

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Speaker 3: That's what they're saying.

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Speaker 5: They say it was all consensual, or they're a professional

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Speaker 5: sex worker, or they slept.

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Speaker 3: Around and that's what they wanted to do.

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Speaker 5: That's the defense. There's nowhere else to go, right, So

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Speaker 5: that's the defense. And they're already dragging the victims.

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Speaker 3: Through the mud.

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Speaker 5: That's already happened and we haven't even gotten to jury

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Speaker 5: selection yet.

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Speaker 3: So if they get their right to your.

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Speaker 5: A jury that would rather believe what they think they

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Speaker 5: know about Sean Combs versus what the victims are saying.

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Speaker 5: They may actually have a chance that is scary, But

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Speaker 5: the Feds don't play you know the Feds, right, They're

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Speaker 5: gonna have him wrapped up everywhere like a Christmas present

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Speaker 5: on top of the tree. So I don't think he's

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Speaker 5: going anywhere anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: I don't know very many folks that go to the

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Speaker 2: hospital over something consensual, I agree, or that need.

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Speaker 3: An IVY drip. Right, So that's what's happening there.

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Speaker 5: Now my mind is a little more free, so now

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Speaker 5: I can focus on what we've got left. We've got

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Speaker 5: Delphi left, well, if there are a million cases out there,

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Speaker 5: but the ones you and I have been talking about,

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Speaker 5: and we have the search for Suzanne Clark Simpson. I

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Speaker 5: don't know they've got so many searches going. They've searched

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Speaker 5: for specific areas that we know of. One is long

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Speaker 5: It in Bernieville, obviously the home in the woods surrounding

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Speaker 5: the home. One is his ranch, wherever that may be, and.

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Speaker 3: One is the landfill.

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Speaker 5: I think those are the four starts is off the

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Speaker 5: top of my head, those are the four areas of

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Speaker 5: search and Sheryl. When I hear landfill search, I cringe,

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Speaker 5: you know when I go empty the trash, And yes,

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Speaker 5: I empty the trash. When I throw open the Dixie

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Speaker 5: dumpster as I call it, I have to home my

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Speaker 5: nose right, because there's all kinds of stuff I've thrown

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Speaker 5: in there that my mom is thrown in there. David

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Speaker 5: refuses to use the recycle band, so he throws food

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Speaker 5: in there. We actually doesn't refuse. He actually thinks he's

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Speaker 5: using it, but he puts everything in the wrong place. Okay,

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Speaker 5: I give him credit for even empty in the trash,

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Speaker 5: but he puts it in the wrong place. So when

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Speaker 5: you open it up, it smells to high have And

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Speaker 5: you do know we have a worm farm, right, No, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we have a worm farm. I'm not raising them to

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Speaker 5: use them in any way. We have them.

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Speaker 3: To put in refuse, like leftover food.

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Speaker 5: Anything that either we don't eat, the dog doesn't eat,

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Speaker 5: the cat doesn't eat, the guinea pigs don't eat, my

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Speaker 5: mother doesn't eat.

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Speaker 3: Whatever's left goes to the worms.

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Speaker 2: Well, my grandmama in Rome, Georgia had a worm bed

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Speaker 2: right next to her favorite tree. That's what she did

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Speaker 2: every night after dinner. She went out there and fed

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Speaker 2: the worms.

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Speaker 5: My grandparents both had that on both sides. This is

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Speaker 5: part of when of Lucy's sustainable merit badge projects.

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Speaker 3: She built a.

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Speaker 5: Worm farm and that was like four years ago and

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Speaker 5: we still use it every single night.

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Speaker 3: Where wormy? And why am I talking about a worm bed?

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Speaker 1: Landfield?

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Speaker 3: Landfill? Thank you? Point is open?

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Speaker 5: The trash, I like have to hold my breath has batsuits.

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Speaker 5: Have you ever had a dog out in a landfill search?

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Speaker 5: It's hell, it's hot. It's so hot tempts her up

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Speaker 5: to nearly one hundred degrees. They have on hazmat suits,

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Speaker 5: their faces are covered, they're breathing through an apparatus, and

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Speaker 5: they're looking for something as small as a digit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know Nancy is a crime scene investigator.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you a crime scene like this.

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Speaker 1: It's deep and wide.

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Speaker 2: So you've got a couple of football fields you might

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Speaker 2: be working, but then you've got the depth.

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Speaker 3: What do you think I mean that next door neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Well, you know you've got an eyewitness and an

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Speaker 2: ear witness out of him. So he saw them in

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Speaker 2: a physical altercation in the yard and then he heard

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Speaker 2: some screaming coming from the woods and then he sees

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Speaker 2: the truck leave and the truck come back without her.

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Speaker 3: Four hours later, the truck comes back.

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Speaker 5: He did not see her in the truck leaving, so

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Speaker 5: he saw the husband, Brad some aged fifty three I believe,

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Speaker 5: leaving in his black pickup two hours later. And he

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Speaker 5: actually said he heard the garage door. That must have

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Speaker 5: been what alerted him to look out. He heard the

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Speaker 5: garage door, looked out and saw Simpson leaving. Two hours

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Speaker 5: later he saw Simpson return.

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Speaker 2: I tell you, Nancy, you know you've got the black box,

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Speaker 2: possibly in the vehicle. You've got his cell phone. Her

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Speaker 2: cell phone as her stops the next morning. And then

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Speaker 2: that's seven o'clock in the morning, and then the school

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Speaker 2: is calling saying, hey, mom's not here to.

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Speaker 3: Get the kids.

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Speaker 1: Can you come get them.

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the weird part. He took them to school.

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Speaker 5: Did he not notice she wasn't there at breakfast? Why

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Speaker 5: did he wait until three o'clock that afternoon or three

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Speaker 5: thirty to say.

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Speaker 3: Oh, where's my wife?

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Speaker 5: I mean, if I don't see David Lynch in there

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Speaker 5: screwing around in the kitchen scrounging for food, he's the

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Speaker 5: family catfishially anything left over. If I don't see him

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Speaker 5: everybody's breakfast, something's really wrong.

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Speaker 3: He didn't notice that morning, she wasn't there to take

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Speaker 3: the children.

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Speaker 2: Right that Possibly her car is still there, her purse

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Speaker 2: is there, her cell phone is there, her children are

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Speaker 2: there after he picks them up at three o'clock. He

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Speaker 2: didn't call the police till tarn. That's seven hours.

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Speaker 5: You know what's so scary, Cheryl? And the first time

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Speaker 5: I ever heard this, I didn't believe it. I had

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Speaker 5: to read the article and then interview the doctor that

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Speaker 5: wrote the article. It was the doctor that wrote an

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Speaker 5: article in the New England Journal of Medicine.

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Speaker 3: And that ain't shyy right.

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Speaker 5: The single worst time for a woman's safety is when

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Speaker 5: she's pregnant. The number one cause of death along the

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Speaker 5: pregnant women is homicide. That is a stat I could

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Speaker 5: not believe. Second most difficul time is when a woman

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Speaker 5: is trying to leave a troubled relationship. Two most dangerous

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Speaker 5: times in a woman's life. Suzanne Clark Simpson was trying

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Speaker 5: to leave. I listened to what her mother said. Her

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Speaker 5: mother says that she and Suzanne already had a plan

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Speaker 5: in place. She was going to come live with her mother,

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Speaker 5: and they were enrolling the little girl, I believe he's

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Speaker 5: five years old, in the elementary school near the mother's home.

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Speaker 5: It was already decided, so she had a plan, which

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Speaker 5: puts her in the category.

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Speaker 3: Of trying to leave.

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Speaker 5: And that evening after they left that fancy ritzy private club,

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Speaker 5: the argyle.

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Speaker 3: You've seen inside that place. It looks like a mansion

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Speaker 3: slash museum.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, she was trying to leave because the neighbor said

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Speaker 5: she tried to walk away and he grabbed her and

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Speaker 5: would not let her leave.

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Speaker 3: The child says, you hit mommy in the face. Mommy

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Speaker 3: had a bruise on our elbow, and he took mommy's.

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Speaker 2: Phone and let's talk about something else.

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Speaker 1: Pretty damning to me.

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Speaker 2: His brother has come out and said he's not cooperating.

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Speaker 2: That's not how we were raised. We were raised to

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Speaker 2: protect each other and help each other. And they are

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Speaker 2: believing it. They are believing he had something to do

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 5: As we like to say down South, Cheryl, that's blood

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Speaker 5: right there, that is your blood. Your brother is speaking out.

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Speaker 5: Your own blood is speaking out against you. Uh uh,

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Speaker 5: nothing good.

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Speaker 2: And you know there's about in my estimation, there's five

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Speaker 2: crime scenes. There's the house where they started fighting inside,

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Speaker 2: there's the yard where they continued the physical fight. Then

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Speaker 2: there's the woods where they heard screaming, and then the truck,

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Speaker 2: and then the disposal site. So I think law enforcement

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Speaker 2: once she has found and I firmly believe they will

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Speaker 2: find her.

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Speaker 1: I think yield a lot of physical evidence.

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Speaker 5: Well, the other day, believe it or not, I had

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Speaker 5: why they're searching. I guarantee you this jackass pulled to

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Speaker 1: Yes, something led them there, for sure, no question, But I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think it's DNA, and I hope you're listening, Joe

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Speaker 5: Scott Morgan. Every once in a while, you could be wrong,

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Speaker 5: just once in a while. That said, I think that

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Speaker 5: course he's innocent until proven guilty.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't even been charged yet. Oh he's got a

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Speaker 5: They've got him dead in the water on a short

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Speaker 3: Off shotgun and AK.

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Speaker 5: It's a me looking black weapon, black matte weapon that's

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Speaker 3: And that is a crime.

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Speaker 5: So the fans already have him on a gun charge,

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Speaker 5: and I believe that gun charge will get you ten

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Speaker 2: Fine, that's ten years right there, baby. People are not

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Speaker 2: just cheaters in one area. If you're gonna cheat and

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Speaker 3: So I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Telling you, once the Feds start looking, there's gonna be

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Speaker 3: I think, oh, yeah, you know how.

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Speaker 5: The Feds are mm hmm, Like right now, Seawan Combs

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Speaker 5: The fed's investigation is ongoing, Cheryl. They're not going to

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Speaker 5: rest with what they've got. And as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 5: it is said liaising, I'm not sure that's the word,

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Speaker 5: they were meeting with the prosecutors and the Two Fox

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Speaker 5: Shakur murder investigation. Now, the Feds are not going to

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Speaker 3: They want something.

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Speaker 5: Believe me, I've been on the short end of that

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Speaker 5: stick many a time. The Feds give you nothing when

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Speaker 3: It's over.

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Speaker 5: Just hold out your arm and let them suck your blood.

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Speaker 5: They will get everything out of you and give you nothing.

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Speaker 5: They didn't just go meet with the state prosecution investigators

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Speaker 2: I agree, And I tell people the Feds don't go fishing.

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Speaker 1: They come with it.

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Speaker 3: In hand.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you they've got you before they show up.

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Speaker 6: I told you that as a FED I had a

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what are we waiting on retirement? Why aren't

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Speaker 5: That's just the way they are, yep. And that's what

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Speaker 5: I always liked about the state system and prosecuting violent crimes.

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Speaker 5: Somebody files a demand for.

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Speaker 3: Speedy trail, I'm like, Oh, I couldn't be happier. We'll

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Speaker 3: do this next week. Those tracking a jury.

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Speaker 5: On Monday, get ready, let's do it. Yeah, And you

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Speaker 5: know you're more like a gunslinger. But that said, they

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be meeting with Tupac Shakur investigators if they weren't stealing.

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Speaker 5: Something is stealing. So I fully expect additional charges at

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Speaker 5: some point on Ditty.

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Speaker 2: They're going to connect everything that people have said before

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Speaker 2: in music lyrics and own interviews.

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Speaker 1: They're going to connect every bit of it.

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Speaker 3: I do you think Eminem will be witness?

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Speaker 2: I do not, well, not on the stand, but I

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Speaker 2: think they've got to talk to him.

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Speaker 5: They do have to talk to him because he obviously

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Speaker 5: they will be talking to.

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Speaker 1: Him absolutely, I mean all of them.

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Speaker 3: We will see.

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Speaker 1: We got lots of irons in the fire this week.

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Speaker 3: Honey. Well, Cheryl, I'm going to Delphi. Are you going

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Speaker 3: to Delphi?

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm leaving next week.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll see there. I'll see you there.

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Speaker 5: You and me and Susan Hendrix will have a good

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Speaker 5: old time watching that evidence for it. You know, I

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Speaker 5: you just say. I'm talking about the Delphi case. You know,

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Speaker 5: you know, he got his NBA at Wharton, but I

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Speaker 5: still like to explain things to him like he's in

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Speaker 3: And he totally ignores it. Okay.

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Speaker 5: The Delphi case is where the two cute little girls,

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Speaker 5: going forward, and the defense was going to be that

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Speaker 5: the defendant, Richard Allen, didn't do it. That a odonistic

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Speaker 5: cult did it? You know that worships thor.

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Speaker 3: That they did it. And the judge ruled that out.

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Speaker 3: And I was very sad because I really wanted them.

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Speaker 5: To let that be their defense. And you just see

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Speaker 5: that jury looking around.

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Speaker 3: At each other.

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Speaker 5: Lenk did he just say odinism? I was really But

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Speaker 5: I'm worried about that.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 5: There is case law that when you deny the defense

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Speaker 5: their sole defense, that's reversible error, no matter how ridiculous

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Speaker 5: it might sound to the judge. So I think that

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Speaker 5: could actually be an appealable issue.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'd shaved.

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Speaker 2: I was disappointed about today the defense withdrew their motion

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Speaker 2: to let the jury go to the scene.

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Speaker 1: I think that is so important.

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Speaker 5: Cheryl, you know you just wanted to follow the cherry

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Speaker 5: what they were doing, try to easdrap use your long

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Speaker 2: I know, you me and Charlotte's some bulking loud so

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Speaker 2: they can hear our opinion.

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Speaker 3: Hearing your analysis of what really happened.

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Speaker 5: So you were said about that, well, what about the

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Speaker 5: and I know what they're doing, but I really don't

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Speaker 5: think I think this also is an appealable issue. The

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Speaker 5: state wants to disallow some of the composites that were

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Speaker 5: drawn early on, and I don't think you. I don't

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Speaker 5: I don't know how the judge ruled on it, but

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Speaker 3: Think that's a bad idea.

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Speaker 2: I have quoted you over and over in the last

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Speaker 3: What's new, haerld.

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Speaker 1: I gave you credit and I said, let it in.

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Speaker 3: Let it all in.

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Speaker 5: That's right, Let it all in, because in the end,

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Speaker 5: one way or another, it's coming in anyway, and if

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Speaker 5: you try to suppress it, you try to hide it,

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Speaker 5: not only will it come in, but then the other

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Speaker 5: side can truthfully say, and you tried to keep it

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Speaker 3: Why why would you hide it?

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Speaker 5: And you'll be sitting there on you crawl into a

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Speaker 2: Well, we got lots coming up and I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I will see you in Delphi, Sugar, see you in Delphi.

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Speaker 1: My friend Aye Benny