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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about the state of Michigan today,

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Speaker 1: a crucial swing state, a crucial state for Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: to win if he wants to win the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four presidency. Biden won Michigan by about one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty four thousand votes in twenty twenty So what does

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump need to do can he win Michigan. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk to a woman who has experienced in

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Speaker 1: politics in the state. Her name is Tudor Dixon. You're

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Speaker 1: familiar with her obviously as the Republican nominee in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two for the gubernatorial race when she went up

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Speaker 1: against s Gretchen Whitmore. She's also the host of the

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Speaker 1: Tudor Dixon Podcast. You see her all the time on

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Speaker 1: Fox News. But we're going to talk to her about

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Speaker 1: her home state of Michigan, all things Michigan. We're also

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Speaker 1: going to talk about Joe Biden, this uncommitted vote that

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Speaker 1: took place in the primary there with Joe Biden losing Dearborn.

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Speaker 1: How big of an issue are Muslim voters for Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden in the state of Michigan, and also with his

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Speaker 1: big push for electric vehicles and the harm that has

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Speaker 1: caused workers, particularly in the state of Michigan. How big

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Speaker 1: of an impact will that play? Again, we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into all things Michigan with Tutor Dixon, who's also my

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Speaker 1: friend and she's just awesome. So stay tuned for Tutor Dixon.

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Speaker 1: We've got Tutor Dixon on this episode. Tutor, we talked

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Speaker 1: about this a little bit on your podcast, but in

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Speaker 1: case people haven't had a chance to listen when I

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Speaker 1: was on. So we met at a conference not too

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Speaker 1: long ago in Tampa, and like immediately I was like,

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Speaker 1: Tutor is awesome. She's so much fun. We sat next

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Speaker 1: to each other at dinner and like basically just talked

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Speaker 1: about life and politics and everything, and you're just so awesome,

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Speaker 1: so smart. So I'm so glad to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show and call you a friend.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. I know. I it was

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Speaker 2: exactly how you. I mean, we even shared food, which

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Speaker 2: sounds really weird, but it was like this strange situation

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Speaker 2: and you were so sweet, You're like, just eat half

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Speaker 2: of my stake. And that was strange, but I did it.

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Speaker 2: And it seemed totally unstrange. So but but it was friends.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's that's what you do when you love someone,

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Speaker 1: you know, you share food. And it was like that

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Speaker 1: that's seen from the stepbrothers when they were like, did

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Speaker 1: we just become best friends? Like I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like the whole time we're like thickest thieves. The rest

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Speaker 1: of the conference, I was like, she's awesome, Like love her.

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Speaker 2: So so glad to.

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Speaker 1: Have you on And obviously, look like I want to

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Speaker 1: get into all things Michigan with you. You know, one

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Speaker 1: of the most crucial states for this presidential election. Who

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Speaker 1: better to you know, get the rundown of it than you,

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Speaker 1: So looking forward to this conversation. You know, what did

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Speaker 1: you learn, just like big picture, what did you learn

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Speaker 1: about politics when you ran for governor?

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Speaker 2: Gosh? So, I mean that's such an open question. There's

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Speaker 2: so many things I could say, Well, I learned a

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Speaker 2: I learned a lot about the details of running. And

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm still watching it happened. You know, there's a

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Speaker 2: in general, I mean, I don't know what it's like

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Speaker 2: of something that I've come out of my own campaign

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Speaker 2: I do think that there is there's some corruption in

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Speaker 2: it's very tough for anybody who goes, oh yeah, I

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Speaker 2: It's it's very tough. But I also learned that the

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Speaker 2: And I have not seen us do that yet, but

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Speaker 1: Concern the selection cycle, because I think we went on

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Speaker 1: to their dirty tricks in various states, including Michigan. Is

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Speaker 2: No, it's a very fair concern because there they have

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Speaker 2: no limits as to what they'll do. So they cut

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Speaker 2: So they know that they're manipulating the things you're saying,

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Speaker 2: into college students' phones, and they're going into seeing suburban

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Speaker 2: on votes and things that they're on, bills that they're supporting,

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Speaker 2: The people who ran it were all illegal immigrants, and

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Speaker 2: things that are fully anti American. We're talking about this

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Speaker 2: That to me is a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, they also control the process and

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Speaker 1: more with Tutor Dixon on the other side, Biden kind

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Speaker 1: of ran into a an uncommitted problem in the state

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Speaker 2: Big enough issue for the President of the United States

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Speaker 2: Because there are so the renewable energy I think we

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Speaker 1: Jeez, I didn't realize it was that bad. Quick break

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for more with Tutor. Do you think you know,

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Speaker 1: in all these issues that you just highlighted, can Trump

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? The majority of Michigan is red. We have these

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Speaker 1: You know, Tutor, as I have this conversation with you,

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Speaker 2: We are what you said when you asked me at

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Speaker 1: Well, I could just hear in your voice, like, you

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Speaker 1: but it just seems like you know you're itching to

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Speaker 2: I think that I think that people kind of underestimate

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Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of people that run for

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Speaker 2: office that run because I mean, it is going to

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Speaker 2: be easier for you to run if you are a

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Speaker 2: self funder and you can do it and you can

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Speaker 2: go out there and put your message out. I came

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Speaker 2: from a family business where we had a steel foundry,

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Speaker 2: and I think that it was kind of a unique

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Speaker 2: case because I had literally worked on the shop floor

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Speaker 2: with the people who were being affected by these policies

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Speaker 2: every day, and no matter where I went in the

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Speaker 2: State of Michigan, I could identify with everybody and what

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Speaker 2: they were going on, what was going on in their lives.

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Speaker 2: And I think when you've run a steel foundry like that,

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Speaker 2: you can also identify the shortcomings of how government works

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Speaker 2: with business. And that's been a really big challenge for

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Speaker 2: the state of Michigan. It's not just that it's hard

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Speaker 2: for Gretchen Whitmer to get businesses here. She's so horrible

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Speaker 2: to the businesses that are here. It's impossible to get

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Speaker 2: through the environmental standards. She wiped out our environmental agency

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Speaker 2: re named it. It's like the most expensive letterhead change

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Speaker 2: in the history of the State of Michigan. Brought in

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Speaker 2: a bunch of young kids that really don't understand business.

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Speaker 2: So instead of trying to improve the environment in the

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Speaker 2: state of Michigan, it's an industry or it's an agency

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Speaker 2: that just goes to shut down business. And it was

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Speaker 2: like the number one concern I heard from people across

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Speaker 2: the state when I and it was what we dealt

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Speaker 2: with too as a foundery. It's like, oh, we got

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Speaker 2: to ding you here, we got a ding you there,

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Speaker 2: and it's an unreasonable agency. So, I mean I talked

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Speaker 2: to a business in Grand Rapids. This business employs thousands

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Speaker 2: of people, and the last time we spoke, they said

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Speaker 2: that the environmental agency has gotten so out of control

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Speaker 2: that they've purchased land in another state and they feel

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Speaker 2: confident that in the next three years they will move

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Speaker 2: completely out of Michigan and we will lose thousands of

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Speaker 2: jobs in a main city in the state of Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that is devastating, but it is not be

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Speaker 2: because of anything other than policies in Michigan crushing businesses.

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Speaker 2: And you can see it. You go into these towns

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Speaker 2: where there's restaurants closed, where there's barely anything left. I

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Speaker 2: had a woman during the campaign grab on to me,

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Speaker 2: and I think this was the thing that the other

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Speaker 2: thing that was the most shocking when I was running

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Speaker 2: so people that just needed to have somebody tell them

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Speaker 2: we love you, we're going to take care of you,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to bring this state back. Because she

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Speaker 2: was like, we have no community left. She just burst

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Speaker 2: into tears. She's like, look at this. The places we

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Speaker 2: used to gather are the places we used to come

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Speaker 2: together as a community. They're closed. They're all gone. There's

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Speaker 2: no one left. And it was devastating.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's got to be really hard to you know,

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Speaker 1: have those interactions with people and you just you know,

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Speaker 1: you want to do something, you want to try to

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Speaker 1: help them.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: One thing before we go, one thing I also learned

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Speaker 1: from you during the conference is the importance of elf

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Speaker 1: on the shelf and committee.

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Speaker 3: That's right, that little devil you were. It was during

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Speaker 3: the holidays. It was when when was the conference? I'm

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Speaker 3: trying to remember, but it was in December.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you it was in December because that

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Speaker 2: elf was in my house, yes, and told me about

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Speaker 2: it the tune.

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Speaker 1: Her husband in the process of moving the elf on

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Speaker 1: the shelf around the house for their daughters to you know,

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Speaker 1: and so it was a very literally.

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Speaker 2: But that was because I literally texted him that night.

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Speaker 2: We walk away and I'm like, I have to tell

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Speaker 2: my husband, like remind him to move the elf because

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Speaker 2: I'm not home. And then in the morning, I get

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Speaker 2: this I'm with you again, and i get this desperate

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Speaker 2: text from the girls and I'm like, the elf didn't move,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh my gosh, why did the elf

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Speaker 2: not move? And so I'm like, I don't the elf

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Speaker 2: must be stuck. But you don't know what happened after

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Speaker 2: we get home, because I had the elf had actually

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Speaker 2: been wedged in a grandfather clock. So legitimately the elf

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Speaker 2: could have been trapped because her leg was pretty stuck.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm like, thank goodness for that. So then

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Speaker 2: when we get home. When I get home, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: oh gosh, yeah, it looks like she suck. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: have to leave this vas leine out. Maybe she can

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Speaker 2: get her leg out tonight. And we had to put

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Speaker 2: and then this grinch came home. But the green they

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Speaker 2: didn't like the Grinch showed up out of nowhere, and

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Speaker 2: it was so funny because they came down in the

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Speaker 2: morning and it looked like he was wearing a Santa outfit,

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Speaker 2: and it looked like she was out and moved and

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Speaker 2: they walked up and then when they came around the front,

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Speaker 2: it was actually the Grinch instead of the Elf and

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Speaker 2: the the horror. I wish I had a video of

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Speaker 2: their screams because they were.

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Speaker 1: Like, oh my gosh, what did the Gritch do?

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Speaker 2: And and then I had vasling all over the grandfather clock.

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Speaker 2: It's a yeah, it's a real challenge the Elf.

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Speaker 1: It is, and I feel like every parent at home

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Speaker 1: who's done Elf on the shelf is uh sympathizing with me.

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Speaker 2: Really hate this summer.

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Speaker 1: Tutor Dick's and my friends, big things ahead in your future.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you coming on the show. You're just an awesome

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Speaker 1: person and just love. We always love seeing you and

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Speaker 1: being able to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: So thank you all me too, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for having me.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Tutor Dixon, hosts of the Tutor

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Speaker 1: Dixon podcast on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts,

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Speaker 1: for coming on the show, for taking the time every

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Speaker 1: Monday and Thursday, but you of course you can listen

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Speaker 1: throughout the week. I want to thank you guys at

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Speaker 1: home for listening to the podcast as well. I also

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Speaker 1: want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting

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Speaker 1: it together. Until next time,