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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Nol is still on an adventure.

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Speaker 3: But will be returning suit They called me Ben. We're

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Speaker 3: joined with our guest super producer, Gnomes Griffith. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. This is a

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Speaker 3: little bit of an unusual case for us. We're spending

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Speaker 3: the entire week on the notorious infamous death cult Aum Shinrico. So, Matt,

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Speaker 3: what do you say we get that with the housekeeping

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Speaker 3: Listen to part one. Okay, we got to say that part,

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Speaker 3: and then let's just dive in media arrests.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we already got past all the part where

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Speaker 2: it was a nice, a nice spiritual movement and now

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Speaker 2: we're into full apocalyptic mode. Let's go. So we've got

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Speaker 2: all of this propaganda coming out really pushing hard that

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Speaker 2: this dude Choco a Sahara has some kind of powers, maybe,

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Speaker 2: like is he is so special? And has all these

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Speaker 2: things that even the fluids that come out of his

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Speaker 2: actually you know what, you need them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can have them if you pay for it, right,

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Speaker 3: And these are pretty pricey, but what what isn't worth superpowers?

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Speaker 3: Don't you want to be able to tell the future?

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Speaker 3: Would you like to fly or maybe float a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, let's let's talk about what these things were,

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Speaker 2: because I've heard rumors. Some of it comes directly from followers,

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Speaker 2: their like quotations, and some of it's honestly hard to

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Speaker 2: believe at times. But we've seen instances of this in

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Speaker 2: the past. There's I believe this thing where you could

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Speaker 2: pay a certain amount of money and you would get

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Speaker 2: his bathwater.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very e girl. Find Yeah, who's that act?

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Speaker 2: There's an actor who just Sweeney. Something Sidney Sweeney just

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Speaker 3: It was a soap with her bathwater, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, or soap made with her bathwater as a

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Speaker 2: part of the thing, you know, because it's special, and

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Speaker 2: that crap sold out immediately. And just imagine it's a

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Speaker 2: spiritual leader that you really do personally look up to

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Speaker 2: you're getting his bath water. There's other fluids. I know.

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Speaker 2: There was at least one person who said they took

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Speaker 2: part in a blood ritual where they ingested what was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we saw that as well. The idea being that

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Speaker 3: this consumption of these it's similar to the idea of

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Speaker 3: imbuing intension and things or some other factors and some

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Speaker 3: pseudo medicinal practices. The concept is that this guy is

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Speaker 3: so powerful, emanates such divine ability that by consuming things

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Speaker 3: associated with him, you are ingesting also some very small

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and you and everybody goes, oh god, that's gross,

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Speaker 2: and then wait, oh, think about what's the last time

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Speaker 3: Do that, especially if you practice if you're in a

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Speaker 3: denomination that practices transubstantiation. Right, yeah, not that, not that

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Speaker 3: symbolic cannibalism, then let's hesitate to throw some stones.

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Speaker 2: It's it's weirder than you will let yourself believe. Hearing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, check out, check it out, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Just you know what, whatever your visive choice is, makes

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Speaker 3: that's your jam, Like, Matt, what you got? You got

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Speaker 3: a month Celtius Celsius, Papa Celsius, and then be prepared

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Speaker 3: outsiders are getting worried, right, where's our daughter? Where's our son?

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Speaker 3: where's Toshi? They are also sharing and encountering rumors. Were

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's a full length documentary you can wash

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Speaker 2: titled A U m On colon The Cult at the

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Speaker 2: End of the World. Highly recommend that you can watch

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Speaker 2: a trailer or I think you find it on YouTube

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Speaker 2: right now? Yea rent it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And there are there's a there are

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Speaker 3: another couple of great documentaries about this that dwell maybe

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Inside the Endeavor documentary, they describe one of the

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Speaker 2: practices of putting devotees inside a box inside a hollowed

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Speaker 2: just enough oxygen to keep multiple people alive for an

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of a symbolic rebirth as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was very intense. It did remind me

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Speaker 2: of some of the scientology like punishments that would happen

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Speaker 2: for an extended period of time, and then allegedly, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, these torturous initiation rights did result in a couple

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Speaker 3: These rumors are increasingly credible. There's a guy named Sakamoto Sutsumi.

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Speaker 3: He is a lawyer from Yokohama, and he is getting

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty nine. Sakamoto, his wife, and their baby.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen months yes, still got that new car smell. They disappear,

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Speaker 2: They don't seem to do anything, at least according to

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Speaker 2: the perception is that nothing is done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I love the way you phrase that,

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Speaker 3: associates of Scientology. But we didn't tell them to do anything.

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Speaker 3: You know, they didn't do anything. It was later discovered

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Speaker 3: there was irrefutable proof that the Sakamoto family was indeed

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Speaker 3: murdered in horrific ways, but the authorities didn't know about

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Speaker 3: this until far far after the fact. Whoever did this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what was discussed in the Endeavor documentary,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when we say obviously we're talking about

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Speaker 3: D the evidence isn't really a thing. So we're talking

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Speaker 3: really not happy science. It's not the positive message that

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Speaker 3: an individual named Karia Kiyoshi was what they would call

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, not at all. But we do

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Speaker 2: see that there are substances being used here. The poisons

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Speaker 2: another instance where a journalist, Shoko Igawa, was writing about

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Speaker 2: this group and somebody through her letterbox sprayed phosgene gas,

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Speaker 3: And she gets such a badass in that documentary. I

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Speaker 3: love the frank way she talks about it, and you

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Speaker 3: days of Asahara as well. Oh, she is not buying

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Speaker 2: No oh, but hey, let's let's we got to switch

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Speaker 3: Love it? Love it?

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Speaker 1: Hate that.

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Speaker 3: I have to ask you specifically whom you're referring to,

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Speaker 3: oh A Sahara Okay, still in Japan? Tight, yeah, special powers, yes, yeah, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: of like his other attempts to use the mechanics of

430
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: society for his own gain, this is unsuccessful. It doesn't work.

431
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: The suit is unsuccessful, and he can feel as though

432
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 2: all of those mechanisms are now aimed at him and

433
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: closing in on him.

434
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Han Solo and Star Wars, you know what

435
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: I mean. The halls are pushing in. But this guy

436
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: is no Han Solo, right, and his mental state, depending

437
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: upon whom you ask again, his mental state is deteriorating.

438
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: That's what we get from a lot of the reports.

439
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: Combining this with the possibility of being arrested, the sunk

440
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: cost of creating a small army of radicalized people who

441
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: genuinely believe the key to salvation, to saving the world

442
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 3: can only be mass casualty events. Now Asa harr is

443
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: passed the point of no return logically, like in game theory.

444
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: Now he has nowhere to swim but further into a

445
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: dark ocean.

446
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we should mention he and his followers

447
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: are amassing an arsenal of conventional weapons. Yeah, there are photographs,

448
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: video evidence of the actual arms laid out. And we're

449
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: not just talking rifles and pistols and things. We're talking

450
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: explosives like RPGs, things that you would see, to be

451
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 2: quite honest, a terrorist organization collecting or maybe even like

452
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: a high level cartel.

453
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: Arsenal right, right, right, or private militia. This is military

454
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: grade stuff, you know what I mean. These aren't p shooters.

455
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: That's a fantastic point. So they are you could argue, organizationally,

456
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: they are being forced into by the consequence of their

457
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: own actions. They're being forced into further and increasingly extreme acts.

458
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: Right, So with the leader who's ready for war.

459
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether the leader is not saving anything for this

460
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: swim back, right, he has passed the point of de escalation.

461
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 3: This is where we fast forward just a little bit

462
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 3: further to March twentieth, nineteen ninety five. It's eight am.

463
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: It's busy, busy time in Tokyo. This is where all

464
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: members launch five concurrent attacks, releasing saren gas into three

465
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: subway lines. And if you've ever been in a rush hour,

466
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 3: then you know, you know they kind of suck. And

467
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: the thing about Tokyo's amazing public transit system is that

468
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: even it gets overloaded because there are just a ton

469
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: of people who live in Tokyo and there's like no

470
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: room on the train. It's very, very crowded.

471
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about how these five individuals did this.

472
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: It's unfortunately cunning and terrifying.

473
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: And pretty easily executed.

474
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, each individual of these five people had a plastic

475
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: bag wrapped in newspaper to look like an innocuous object,

476
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: and they had an umbrella that had a specially sharpened

477
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: tip to it. So imagine just seeing somebody on the

478
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: subway who's carrying something in newspaper and an umbrella, you

479
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't think twice, probably each of them, when the attack

480
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 2: is being carried out, dropped this object covered in newspaper

481
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: on the ground, then stabbed it with the umbrella they're carrying,

482
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: releasing seren gas.

483
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it happens quickly. And look, we're we're pointing

484
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: out missteps by the authorities. But in this kind of situation,

485
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: at this point in time, that's simply not something people

486
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: would have checked for. There are so many people, right,

487
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: and there are so many ways to hide device or

488
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: mechanism or a process of this of this size. They're

489
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: prioritizing routes that are likely to serve government employees. They

490
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,239
Speaker 3: want to hit people going to work at Japanese at

491
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 3: the Japanese National Diet. Right, so the legislative body, twelve

492
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: people die immediately, a thirteenth person die shortly after, thousands

493
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: are injured to some degree, and some of them again

494
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: are going to be permanently disabled for the rest of

495
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: their lives. As a result of these injuries in this

496
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 3: mass casualty event, some people will solder on for a

497
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: few months and then expire later. This is an absolute disaster.

498
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: This is a horror. The police realize that this time,

499
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: there is no denying that this has to be the

500
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: group that previously did this. There's a little bit of

501
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 3: initial wondering whether it's a copycat, but that's just the

502
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: investigative process. They know what's going on, so they raid

503
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 3: all locations, they raid homes and known locations of members,

504
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: and when they do, they discover enough saren to kill

505
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: more than one million people. For perspective nineteen ninety five, right,

506
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 3: population of Japan's about one hundred and twenty five million

507
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: or more one hundred and twenty five point five million

508
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 3: or so one million people.

509
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: That's astounding, just that they could produce enough to do that.

510
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: And it wasn't the only gas like the weapon that

511
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: they were producing, the only chemical weapon they were producing.

512
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: They were again working on all kinds of different things

513
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: they could be used to take out humans.

514
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, by hook or by crook, which shows us

515
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 3: that they were definitely exploring multiple avenues, of multiple paths

516
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: toward an act. These apocalyptic visions of their leader. The

517
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: arrest roll in Okay and the Japanese authorities apprehend something

518
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: like two hundred members of all. And remember at this

519
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 3: point it's still a pretty big organization. A lot of

520
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: people are associated with it, but they don't get the

521
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: Golden Goose. Police cannot initially find the kingpin. Tokyo's christ

522
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: Asahara is in the wind. And this is where we

523
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: bring back that weird tremble we mentioned in the Australian

524
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: Outback earlier, right, we were writing about this right at

525
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: the geologist Harry Mason.

526
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a reminder, this is two years before the

527
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: seren gas attack in Tokyo.

528
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So nineteen ninety three, Earth has a little

529
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: little fartsy, little templore, a little shiver in its buddocks

530
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: that nobody offense Australia, just like in the ground, and

531
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: nobody really pays attention to it because like everybody farts, right,

532
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 3: and now with all this news, these revelations about this

533
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 3: conspiratorial death cult at this point in Japan, Harry Mason

534
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: starts looking back into this. He is a geologist, he

535
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: does have the expertise, He's got a lot of experience mining,

536
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: and he says, I don't think this three point six

537
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 3: Richter scale disturbance was a natural earthquake and earthfart. I

538
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: think these lunatics from all have conducted a secret weapons

539
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: test out there in the middle of nowhere. And I

540
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 3: think he says it was a nuclear device. That is terrifying.

541
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 3: And also, if you've listened to any of our previous

542
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: episodes on this, if you have studied nuclear non proliferation,

543
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: you know it's actually really difficult to build a nuke

544
00:36:55,239 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: that works, even like a not goodwin is scientifically super impressive.

545
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, think about how difficult it is just to

546
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: get your hands on the fissile materials needed to create

547
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: a nuke. And once you've got that, you have to

548
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: build a mechanism that can effectively start a chain reaction,

549
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: which is not easy to do. Yeah, and then you

550
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: got to set it off somehow safely, and you got

551
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: to do it in a place that nobody's gonna think

552
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: twice about, like, oh, I don't know a sheep farm.

553
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: Right, And you also have to uh, all the components

554
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 3: you need. In addition to that, fissile material are closely

555
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: monitored by very powerful institutions who stay up around the

556
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: clock just waiting up your day. If you're trying to

557
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: make a nuke like that is there, that's their vocation.

558
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 3: It's beyond a career. Yeah, they believe it. They're radicalized

559
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 3: in their own way.

560
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: And they have access to stealth bombers baby.

561
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah right, And look at this. There's all sorts of

562
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 3: crazy stuff in the news, so it's very difficult to

563
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: discern facts from fiction. But the more you hear about

564
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: what Mason is saying at this time, the less crazy

565
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: it seems. Because we later could confirm that members of

566
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 3: ALL did indeed visit Australia and they were looking likely

567
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 3: for a place to test something one of those biochemical

568
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: weapons or some other evil thing they cooked up. And

569
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 3: they did as you said, Matt, they honed in on

570
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: a large sheep farm. It's like three hundred and seventy

571
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: five miles northeast of Perth, twelve hour drive if traffic

572
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 3: is good in the outback. We're not qualified to speak

573
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: on that part, but this you'll see it sometimes referred

574
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: to as a station instead of a sheep farm, but

575
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 3: that's just another word for sheep farm. And they bought

576
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 3: this through a front company. Later investigations also showed they

577
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 3: made some troublingly similar overtures in Russia.

578
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 2: Where they still operate today under different names.

579
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: Very much so, very much so. Who doesn't love a

580
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: front company. So Mason realizes something screwy is up because

581
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: this is this is not primo real estate. It is

582
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,479
Speaker 3: out in the middle of nowhere, but it's a lot

583
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 3: of land, hundreds of thousands of acres of land. They

584
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 3: buy this and a small group of followers from all

585
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: stay on this Australian property, purpose unknown, and then suddenly,

586
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: in October of nineteen ninety four, for reasons no one

587
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: can divine, they sell it at a massive loss and

588
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: then boom, they skip down, They leave the country. They ghost,

589
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: they skidattle. What happens after the proving chemical attacks? Mason

590
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 3: is certain that they have tested a nuclear device, and

591
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: he also notes the property we did have a high

592
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 3: grade source of uranium. What yeah, right, which is still

593
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 3: not the same thing as making a bomb. That's very tricky,

594
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: and those guys will get you if you have the

595
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: wrong You have the wrong list of things on your

596
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: Amazon orders.

597
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: So wait a second, are we saying that potentially a

598
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: group of cult members got on this sheep farm because

599
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: it had some uranium underneath it, and then had the

600
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: tools and know it and know how to get the

601
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: uranium out and then somehow make a dirty bomb I

602
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: guess out of it.

603
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 3: They Yeah, I don't think we can say that, okay,

604
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,760
Speaker 3: because his history would be really different, and I'm glad

605
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 3: that we cannot say that. But I think, yeah, we're

606
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: doing a little bit of myth busting here because you

607
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 3: clearly pointed it out right. The tools, the expertise, they're

608
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: not the same thing. It's just knowing where the uranium is,

609
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 3: so we do so they had the ambition. We do

610
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: know that at least a few high ranking members of

611
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 3: all purposely were there. Like they wrote this down in

612
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: notebooks authorities found. They said, this sheep farm, we're buying

613
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: it because it has uranium. We're gonna mind the uranium.

614
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: That's scary and so on.

615
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think we can all agree they already got

616
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: too close.

617
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, wow, So I guess everything worked out.

618
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Speaking with Weiss later, they have

619
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 3: a great article on this. A geology professor at Princeton

620
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 3: named doctor Gregory Vandervink. He says this was quote a

621
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: rather unusual seismic recording. Though it was not a nuclear

622
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: weapons test, the seismic signal was not characteristic of the

623
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: type produced by explosions, So this one geologist, Mason, believed

624
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: it was very much nuclear tests. Other scientists, the majority

625
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: of other scientists who have looked at this, will maintain

626
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: that it was not a nuclear test. But it was

627
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 3: definitely in the car, so it's definitely something that all

628
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: members wanted to do to please Asahara weird.

629
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: That's so weird, man, that's this strange thing.

630
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't like anybody that much. No offense.

631
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: Well, I do wonder if it could have been an attempt,

632
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 2: if it wasn't an explosive, you know, seismic event, then

633
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: maybe it's not what I'm about to say, but I

634
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: can imagine it being an attempt to use dynamite or

635
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: large explosives to get at the uranium, to get to it.

636
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, especially if you know, if you know,

637
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: you have a very small chance of being noticed. Right, Yeah,

638
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: that makes sense to me. That does feel like if

639
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: it's man made, that feels like the most likely explanation.

640
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 3: But it doesn't work out like so many other of

641
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 3: Osahara's ambitions. He is eventually captured in Japan. It's May sixteenth.

642
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: He's discovered in a I believe, a hidden room in

643
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 3: an a compound. The world is waiting for the trial.

644
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 3: The trial begins in the next year, on April twenty fourth.

645
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 3: The legal proceedings continue till February twenty seventh, two thousand

646
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: and four. This takes a long time. Yeah.

647
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: Well, part of the big trouble with the trial is

648
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: that his mental state was in question throughout the entire trial,

649
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: and it was a big thing about whether or not

650
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 2: this guy could actually stand trial. Is he mentally fit

651
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: to even go through these proceedings and be convicted in

652
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 2: these ways for these things?

653
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: Is he genuinely to the point of decline where he

654
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 3: is nonverbal, or is it performative exactly.

655
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: It was a huge thing. You can read all about that.

656
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 2: Just that the trial of his trial, or the tribulations

657
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: of his trial, I don't know, whatever, is trying to

658
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: go biblical. Yeah, okay, let's take another break. We'll be

659
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: right back. Oh, thank goodness, we've returned. Okay. One thing

660
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 2: to really point out here is that time between the

661
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: attack on March twentieth, and then him finally being apprehended

662
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: on May sixteenth, and the fact that he was on

663
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: the compound, the primary headquarters compound, the entire time, at

664
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: least most people think, because when he was discovered he

665
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: was in one of those little Heidi hole places on

666
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: the compound, like a secret room. Yeah, just big enough

667
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: for him and some food.

668
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 3: Apparently, makes wonder how many times they checked it, right,

669
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 3: and to what extent they checked it and who those

670
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: specific authorities were conducting the search, right, No accusation.

671
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: It's just a long time to be hidden like that.

672
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: Observation asking questions, So don't get me jammed up at

673
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: passport control. Yeah, that's a really important point in the trial.

674
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: Legal proceedings begin with a reading of the individual names

675
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: three thousand something victims. Right, this is just a horrific

676
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: thing to happen. Osahara is spoiler ultimately convicted. He is

677
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 3: sentenced to death. There is an appeal system in the

678
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 3: Japanese courts, just like in most modern court systems. His

679
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: appeals are exhausted. The time limit on them runs out

680
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: of March twenty seventh, two thousand and six. Aside from

681
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: Osahara twelve senior All Members are also convicted. They are

682
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: sentenced to death. Right. There are other convictions, but the

683
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: thirteen people are sentenced to execution. The very last appeal

684
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: expired in January of twenty eighteen, and so that summer

685
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 3: July twenty eighteen, the notoriously secret of Japanese justice system

686
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: says all of the convicts have been executed. The last

687
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: batch was Asahara and six other all members. They were

688
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: hanged to death on July sixth, and I think off

689
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: air we've discussed this in the past, but we need

690
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: to bring it up. The Japanese prison system has some

691
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: marked differences to Western prison systems. One of the things

692
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: that surprises people a lot is that if you are

693
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: on death row in Japan, it's not uncommon that you

694
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 3: will not know the day of your execution yea one.

695
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: You will live day to day until one day a

696
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 3: prison guard comes to you and says it's time to go.

697
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: Which is a torch sure?

698
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, for sure. But you know, if you

699
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 2: listen to some of the journalists who were reporting on it,

700
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: who were even there at you know, I don't think

701
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: they actually go to the execution in Japan the way

702
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, in America, when there's an execution, it's like

703
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 2: people are invited to it, like it's an event. I

704
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: don't know how functions in Japan, but several journalists were

705
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: talking about the people that they knew right who were victims,

706
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: who were loved ones of people who died, just the

707
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: relief that was felt when the people were gone. Yeah,

708
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: but it's not as though it stops there, because in

709
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 2: like two years before the executions in Russia, there were

710
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: raids on compounds that were allegedly run by the same

711
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 2: group by Amshinrikyo, and ten people ended up getting arrested,

712
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: and forty four Russians were expelled from other places like

713
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: Montenegro who were being investigated for strange actions, illegal actions

714
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 2: being taken in other countries, and not just in Russia,

715
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: in lots of places where this group proliferated, and for

716
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: most accounts, at least for people who are still in

717
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: the organization, none of this kind of stuff exists anymore.

718
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: The anti government, anti people, creating weapons that those concepts

719
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: kind of left when the leader was taken away and stopped.

720
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: But it does. I don't know, I can understand why

721
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: it would make law enforcement organizations nervous knowing that the

722
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 2: group is active in your neck of the woods.

723
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, And that international piece is vital because again

724
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: Asahara went from predicting natural disasters in Japan to attempting

725
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: to enact disasters. But through the twisted logic of the organization,

726
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: to really save the world, you need more mass casualty

727
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 3: events outside of Japan's. So this is a very, very

728
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 3: dangerous thing, right, This is what they would see as

729
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 3: a holy war. And the point you make about about

730
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: just how fundamentally this rocks authorities in law enforcement, not

731
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: just in Japan but the world abroad, it cannot be overstated. Likewise,

732
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: we can't really articulate just how profoundly this affected Japanese society,

733
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 3: this vast international conspiracy going for decades. It rocked the

734
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: perception of new religious movements. It violated understanding of the

735
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: social compact and the sense of safety. This is a

736
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: society that rightly or wrongly, prides itself is one of

737
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 3: the safest places on the planet. And they fell victim

738
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 3: not to the foreign hordes that xenophobia often you know

739
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 3: trays as the villains, but instead to an enemy within.

740
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 3: And the events of those terrible days or decades past now,

741
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 3: but the shadow, the horror of all remains, you know,

742
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: and like you said, it still exists today, the organization

743
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: called ALAPH And maybe we talk a little bit about

744
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: how our friends in the Japanese government approach those folks.

745
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think it's elf alf or how do

746
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 2: you spell it?

747
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: Been a L E p H.

748
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: There's also one called Hikari Noah, which is a separate organization.

749
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: Mentioned in that documentary, Right, yeah.

750
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 2: That splintered off again like similar concepts, but without the

751
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, all the leader stuff. These groups still remain,

752
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: are still allowed to exist, but they are considered, at

753
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: least by Japanese authorities to be dangerous organizations. I think

754
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: that's how they put it, something like a dangerous group

755
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: or dangerous organization. So they are subject to pretty intense

756
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: surveillance and check ins with authorities.

757
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: Right on a routine and thorough basis. And this is

758
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: this occurs even though members of these offshoot groups or

759
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: members of the direct descendant ALIP, even though they are

760
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 3: often you know, they're not part of the inner circle. Right,

761
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 3: they were investigated, there was not really a crime to

762
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: convict them of. They did not participate in the attacks.

763
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 3: Many will claim they had no knowledge of the terrors

764
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 3: that Asahara sought on the horizon. But it shows us

765
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 3: how quickly these groups can coalesce and escalate and function

766
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 3: in relative open silence before it's too late to react.

767
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 3: And this is okay, this is another. This is like

768
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 3: the faith healing moment. I'm cursing so much in this

769
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 3: Holy shit, are we accidentally arguing for a surveillance state?

770
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

771
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 3: Is that what it gets us too?

772
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: I think that's where're at. Well, here's the problem. The

773
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,720
Speaker 2: lowest level members of the group. Right, we as humans

774
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 2: are unaware of the small things we do that end

775
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: up aiding a much larger action. Right, So something as

776
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: simple as going to get somebody water. Right, Let's say

777
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: you're a gopher on a film set. Sure, and you're

778
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 2: the person who goes and gets water for some of

779
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: the talent that's on screen. Or you're the person that

780
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 2: runs over to the craft services table and gets a

781
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: quick plate for the director because he's he or she's

782
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: too busy to go do that.

783
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 3: Or you're an intern at a cartel and your only

784
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: job is to have snacks.

785
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but are you're part of the organization. And

786
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,760
Speaker 2: if you don't do your thing, does the thing still happen? Yeah,

787
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: it still happens. But it is strange to imagine all

788
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 2: of us as time any pieces in whatever complex machine

789
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 2: we're operating within, right, Yeah, so it is weird to

790
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: imagine it just I would say personally for all of us, like,

791
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 2: what are the things we do every day that ends

792
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: up enabling something crazy to happen. I don't mean to

793
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: put it that way. I'm not saying we're all bad

794
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: doing bad things. I just mean we're all connected in

795
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: every little action that we take in some way in

796
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: these in these strange ways.

797
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: And they are connections that the average person has on

798
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 3: some level willfully chose to ignore, to not investigate too closely,

799
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 3: because when you turn on the flashlight, you always find

800
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: something that was in the dark. You know that. And

801
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 3: I would say further, there's always going to be the

802
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: deep ethical dilemma of, in addition to wilful ignorance, how

803
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 3: far and how long can you reasonably function in an

804
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: organization like this without knowing there's something terrible afoot? You know, Like, oh, yeah,

805
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 3: I was in the Snola cartel. My street name was

806
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: snacks because that was my job. I was just supposed

807
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 3: to have beef jerky. Now, yeah, the guys were intense,

808
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 3: but I had no idea what they were really doing.

809
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well yeah, I mean, you know, I'm just

810
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 2: imagining that moment when you're completely actually unaware of the

811
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: stuff and you open the wrong door and the compound

812
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: and you see the arsenal of RPGs or something and

813
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: you just kind of slowly close the door and be like,

814
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: all right.

815
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 3: You're a pa. It's an excellent career opportunity to work

816
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 3: for Weinstein, right, Oh, how far do you push the envelope,

817
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: especially when in combats when it may contradict your own

818
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 3: self interest. The biggest thing here for me now, and

819
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 3: I think for a lot of us, is that this constructs,

820
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 3: this vast conspiracy does can instruct a valid argument for

821
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 3: a surveillance state. Very uncomfortable with that. Don't know where

822
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 3: to take it. So glad that we made this a

823
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 3: two part or big banks, big thanks to Gnomes. We hope,

824
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: we hope this wasn't too terrible. We want to hear

825
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: from you, folks, so please let us know your thoughts. Nomes,

826
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 3: what we got, what do we.

827
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: Got Yeah, well I've had a great time, not just

828
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 4: because Matt's my EP obviously, these cults are always so

829
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 4: interesting to me, and it's truly like, but yeah, what

830
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: y'all were saying about, like the innocuous ways that you

831
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 4: can be involved, and then all of a sudden it's like, oh,

832
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 4: oh my god, oh my.

833
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 5: God, that's what it was. Yeah, I would have never

834
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 5: if I had known that that's what it was, maybe

835
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 5: I would have turned around. Uh yeah, yeah, I don't know.

836
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 5: I always find it so interesting and then also scary.

837
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: That's how we feel too.

838
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 3: Nomes fantastic, So again shout out to our guest souper

839
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 3: producer for Marathon series, the One and Only Nomes Griffin

840
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: Hey Nomes. While we're at it, I always like to

841
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: ask I always like to ask guests this, and you're

842
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: our VIP guest board tonight. Don't look too closely into

843
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: the doors behind me. Where can people learn more about

844
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 3: your work?

845
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 5: Oh that's a great question. You can follow me on Instagram.

846
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 5: I'm at Nomes. It's like garden Domes, but it's spelled

847
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 5: different and if you switch the in the M it's

848
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 5: g n o e ms. The fun thing about being

849
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 5: trans is that you get to make your own name

850
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Speaker 5: and nobody can fight you on that. So I have

851
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 5: a fun, whimsical name. I'm on Instagram at nomes.

852
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 2: Fantastic and Nomes is a huge part of the what

853
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: can we say it, the roller derby community here in Atlanta.

854
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you can see me. Well, this will not

855
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 5: be out but or this will have happened already. We

856
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 5: have games on Saturday. I'm playing in two of them.

857
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to getting my butt kicked by my friends.

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Speaker 3: And in addition, Nomes is an absolute legend amongst our

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Speaker 3: cohort of producers, engineers, and your hapless hosts who are

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Speaker 3: ending the episode now. While you're on the Internet checking

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Speaker 3: out the grams, sip in the social meds, you can

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Speaker 3: find us online conspiracy stuff, show conspiracy stuff in the

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Speaker 3: places that use an at sign. Look and you will

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Speaker 3: find us time after time. You can also call us

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Speaker 3: on the phone or send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we do the phone thing. Huh when the last

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Speaker 3: time you hopped on a phone.

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Speaker 2: Matt Hey, pick up your phone, go to the thing,

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Speaker 2: the part of it where you can dial actual numbers,

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Speaker 2: to turn the letters into numbers.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 2: You'll figure it out when you do call in. You've

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Speaker 2: got three minutes. Give yourself a cool nickname and let

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Speaker 2: on the air. If you've got more to say, they

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Speaker 2: can fit in a three minute voicemail. If you've got links,

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Speaker 2: if you've got pictures, if you've got other cool stuff,

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Speaker 2: why not instead send us a fax? Oh wait, no, wait,

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Speaker 2: that's that's not it. It's an email. We are the.

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Speaker 3: Entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive. Be

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