1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of Iheartrading. 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt Nol. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: It's not here today, they called me Ben. We are 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: joined with our guest superproducer, Max freight Train Williams. Most importantly, 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here, and that makes this 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: the stuff they don't want you to know. Fellow conspiracy realist. 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: We spend our weekends, our waking and sleeping hours, scouring 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 3: through the news, just like everybody else in this day 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 3: and age. We find that there is a lot of 13 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: stuff that either doesn't make it into the headlines or 14 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: doesn't really get the analysis it deserves. And as a 15 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: matter of fact, Matt, right before you and I went 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: on air with our pal Max. We were talking about 17 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: all the stories that we wanted to get to but 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: might not get to. Maybe we start with our pals 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: of Fox News. They've oh yeah, run into some money problems. 20 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: I think, well, they got in trouble with the whole 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: dominion defamation thing where they talked about how dominion voting 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: machines were supposedly easily hackable and used to throw an election, 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 2: but then found out that it was known within the 24 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: organization that that was a false story, that was not real, 25 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: and they were involved in a huge lawsuit. And I 26 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: believe it was settled, wasn't it. 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was settled for seven hundred and eighty seven 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: million dollars US, which, yeah, which is less than the 29 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 3: I want to say, over one billion dollars in damages 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: that Dominion was seeking. And it's interesting when you read 31 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: the statement because the statement has some squirrely language in there, 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: something like the courts have found that some of these 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: statements are inaccurate regarding Dominion or something like that. And 34 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: that's not the same thing as saying we knew what 35 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 3: we were doing when we misled the American public. And 36 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 3: also that that's that's just the uh horizon, right, like 37 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: that's there's more stuff in the way. I'm thinking of 38 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: the Smartmatic lawsuit that is still pending. That's another voting 39 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: tech company. 40 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: Yeah you're talking about for Fox News, like what they're 41 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 2: gonna have to deal with here, and yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, 42 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: Hey Let's let's stay on some some topics we've been 43 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 2: discussing here at length. Let's talk JP Morgan, Chase, and 44 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: a little guy named Epstein. 45 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: Tight yeah, yeah, the infamous criminal child abuser secret keeper 46 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: possibly tied with intelligence networks, Jeffrey Epstein, whose last name 47 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: has become synonymous with Dodgy or Murky suicides. Please hear 48 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: the air quotes around suicides there. Just because Epstein has left, 49 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: I guess the news cycle doesn't mean that the Epstein 50 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: saga ever stopped. I mean, Matt, you remember when we 51 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: were gosh, we were on the road, we were in Florida, 52 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: I want to say, when Epstein's death hit the news 53 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: and we recorded a three part episode on the speculation 54 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: surrounding Jeffrey Epstein. And we also we also kind of knew, 55 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 3: I think pessimistically that whatever his black book was, being 56 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 3: the list of clients and associates and whatever video footage 57 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 3: he captured of them committing crimes against children. I think 58 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 3: we kind of assumed it wouldn't reach to the public. 59 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: But the case is continuing and it's bringing in some 60 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 3: otherwise untouchable people. So what's the Morgan connection here? 61 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: Well? JP Morgan Chase and Co. By the way, don't 62 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: forget the and Co and Co. They've got a leader 63 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: person that runs the show over there, person named Jamie Diamond. 64 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 2: You might recognize that name. He's become quite a bit 65 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: of a public figure. I mean he's been CEO of 66 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: that organization for a while. He is going to have 67 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: to be subjected to questioning for I believe, at least, 68 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: according to ABC News, two days of questioning from attorneys 69 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 2: handling lawsuits over whether or not the bank itself can 70 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: be held liable for the abuses that Jeffrey Epstein carried out. 71 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: So that's a bit of a weird thing, right can 72 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: a bank be held liable for that kind of thing? 73 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: And for anyone playing along at home, that's Jamie Diamond 74 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: d I M O N. Not Diamond, which would be 75 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 3: way more on the nose. 76 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: No, it's Diamond. 77 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 3: Oh loose diamonds over here. Yeah, this has been a 78 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: while in coming. We know that it goes back to 79 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 3: I want to say March of this year, when a 80 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: US judge ordered JP Morgan, Chase and Co. To hand 81 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: over some more documents about the chief executive. And this 82 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: was part of a US or is part of a 83 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,679 Speaker 3: US Virgin Islands law suit accusing, as you said, Matt, 84 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: the bank of knowingly aiding and abetting sex trafficking. 85 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: Yep. And according to Darren Oduyoyer, I think that's how 86 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: you might say it. This is a JP Morgan spokesperson quote. 87 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 2: Jamie Diamond does not recall ever meeting, speaking or communicating 88 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 2: with Jeffrey Epstein. There was somebody at the bank that 89 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: has sued one of its former I guess C suite 90 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: executives for allegedly hiding the abuse that Jeffrey Epstein was 91 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: carrying out, as well as the trafficking itself, like I 92 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 2: guess the money that was used to traffic people, as 93 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: well as keeping Jeffrey Epstein as like an internal close 94 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: client for the bank. So, you know, that's an interesting story. 95 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: Who knows if there's any real sand there. JP Morgan 96 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: kind of, you know, expectedly is saying this is a 97 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: media stunt, This has nothing to do with reality. This 98 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: isn't real, but maybe it is. Maybe it's worth questioning 99 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: for a couple of days just to see. 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: JP Morgan also called the lawsuit from the US Virgin 101 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: Islands a quote phishing expedition. 102 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 2: True. 103 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, so as this. As this case continues to wend 104 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 3: its way through the court system, one thing's for certain, 105 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: you're not going to see a ton of headlines about it. 106 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: Right. 107 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: Fox News is not going to report on this. Fox 108 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: News is may may report on this, but they're not 109 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: going to report on it in a thorough in depth way, 110 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: sort of like how they haven't said much on air 111 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: about the dominion. Defamation suit is the first part of 112 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: this week's Strange News segment Just lawsuits you shouldn't. 113 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: Kind of We got one more, We got one more 114 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: if you want it. 115 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 116 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: Johnson and Johnson a family company. You know them, you 117 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 2: love them. They've been around for a long time. If 118 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: you were a kid, if you were a baby, you 119 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: probably had this stuff called baby powder applied to your body, 120 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: mostly your nether regions most likely because that's what they're 121 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: used for. Yeah yeah, you're Neverlents or you're Australia, and 122 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: I mean it was used on me. I ended up 123 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: using it a lot throughout school. The talcum powder, this 124 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: stuff that's supposed to help you, especially if you're an athlete, 125 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: like help you keep your body parts from rubbing together 126 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: and getting all chafed. Up and all. They're all kinds 127 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: of other reasons. At least they were given to me 128 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: when I was younger for using baby powder or talcum powder. Well, 129 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: turns out there there are a lot of cases that 130 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: are alleging that talcum powder, specifically talcum powder and baby 131 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: powder are created by Johnson and Johnson's subsidiary cause cancer, 132 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 2: which you know wouldn't be great. Turns out there are 133 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 2: tens of thousands of lawsuits that allege this that the 134 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: company and its subsidiaries are trying to deal with. And Ben, 135 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: it's the numbers that really get you on this one. 136 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: Because we talked about the Fox News huge defamation lawsuit, 137 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: right was it seven hundred and something million dollars. 138 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: Seven hundred and eighty seven point five million dollars. 139 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: Well, guess what Johnson and Johnson and their subsidiary are 140 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: looking to quote halt cancer lawsuits as it pursues an 141 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: eight point nine billion with a B dollar settlement. 142 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: Ah yeah, and this is coming to us lease. I 143 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 3: saw it via Reuters. 144 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: Yep Reuters posted on April eighteenth. 145 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: By d trich Nooth knaut H. So they're they're asking 146 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: the judge and this is happening in the US system, 147 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: they're asking the judge to pump their brakes, right. 148 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem is and I'm not fully up on 149 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 2: this everyone, so please go look at the story yourself. 150 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 2: But there was some kind of bankruptcy attempt from from 151 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: I guess one of the plaintiffs, and it was ruled 152 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 2: to be a quote fraudulent attempt to go through the 153 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: bankruptcy process to basically say, hey, we can't pay you, 154 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: we don't have any money. But I guess that was wrong. 155 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 3: Yeah. So this comes from a place called LTL Management, 156 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 3: and there's an ongoing pattern. From what I understand here, Matt, 157 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 3: the bankruptcy worries were in the minds of the folks 158 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 3: running the class action lawsuit. They were kind of a 159 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: matrix dodge, right, an attempt right right, you know, we 160 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 3: were I was just listening to our earlier Rent to 161 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 3: Own episode, something like Brilliant Business or Brutal Corruption, And 162 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: what it really drove home to me was the ways 163 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: in which an individual versus a corporation, the ways in 164 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 3: which they differ as far as the legal system is concerned. 165 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: Imagine if you were just you, fellow conspiracy realist, and 166 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: you had tens of thousands of people suing you and 167 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 3: saying that you gave them cancer. Imagine the hutspit it 168 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: would take to show up in court and say, hey, guys, 169 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 3: let's just let's take the day. You know what I mean, 170 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: let's chill for a second. 171 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's nuts, because, okay, it's basically Johnson and Johnson saying, hey, everybody, 172 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: all you plaintiffs, you tens of thousands of plaintiffs complaining 173 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: about cancer that our product gave you, We're gonna give 174 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: y'all eight point nine billion dollars. And let me tell 175 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 2: you about that eight point nine billion dollars. That's six 176 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: point five billion for ovarian cancer claims, two billion for 177 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: mesothelioma claims, and a big old nice four hundred million 178 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: dollars to quote, according to Reuters, settle consumer protection and 179 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: false marketing claims brought by state attorneys general. 180 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 3: Let me add this to important correction just to clarify. 181 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: LTL Management is the outfit that is negotiating settlements for 182 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 3: the TALC claims, as as Johnson and Johnson is making 183 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 3: the bankruptcy move or the bankruptcy attempt. But look, no 184 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: matter how things work out on the balance sheet, one 185 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: thing is for sure. These people have cancer and the 186 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 3: commonalities that they are finding in their experience, similar to 187 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: those six former athletes on the Philadelphia affillies, they're finding 188 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: that these commonalities in their argument point to one thing, 189 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 3: and that's these products made by Johnson and Johnson. 190 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: Hey, but of course, according to Johnson and Johnson, it's 191 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: baby powder and talc products are quote safe and do 192 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: not cause cancer. Oh good, so hey, there's that. 193 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 3: Did they bring that up in court? 194 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 4: You know? 195 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: I feel like they did. 196 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 3: Why did they just say it? 197 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: Should have just said that we'd be finished with this 198 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: whole Rigamarole, Matt and I. 199 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: By the way, already we're past the point in no 200 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: return because we were we were lounging around in astro 201 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: turf around twenty four hours ago. 202 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: It was one time, and we didn't get into the 203 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 2: little black dots of the older rubber tires in our mouths, 204 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 2: so that was good. I almost put some of the 205 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: blades in my mouth, but I didn't. 206 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: Dude. You know what that makes me think whenever somebody 207 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: says it was one time, It makes me think of 208 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 3: something that I'm surprised doesn't exist in the US legal 209 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: system yet. Which is calling something Vegas rules. Like what 210 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 3: if you could plead vegas rules in court? You know 211 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 3: your there's one time and I plead vegas rules. What 212 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 3: happens there? Stays there? 213 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, comp me the room, please? 214 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 3: If you comp me the room, and I'll be out 215 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: of town by the time the water drops in Lake Mead. Okay. 216 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 4: Oh, So, now that we've talked about some of this 217 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 4: ongoing litigation, we do have to point out that none 218 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: of the cases we mentioned have reached like a standing. 219 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: Decision in the court system. But things can change depending 220 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: on your perspective. And I think one one thing that 221 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: Matt and I have learned over the years is that 222 00:14:55,160 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 3: people behave very differently depending on who they perceive as 223 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: their audience. We're going to take a break for a 224 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: word from our sponsor, and then we're going to travel 225 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: to Oklahoma. And if you were listening today and you 226 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: were thinking, man, I'm having such a great day, this 227 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: day is too good, then don't worry. We got your back. 228 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: Oh Oklahoma, where the sheriff plans hiring hitmen, and a 229 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 2: commissioner talks of pre dug holes, but their target recorded 230 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: the whole thing. Oh Oklahoma's where we're going for this 231 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: next story. Okay, I'm gonna stop. Now get to the 232 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: the bridge. You gotta do the bridge. There are a 233 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 2: lot of characters in that song, by the way, if you. 234 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 3: Ever yes, it's a posse track, Yeah, it really is. 235 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: Well, hey, we're going to Oklahoma. Let's start with the 236 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: first news headline that I personally read that led me 237 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: down a rabbit hole. Ben, I know you jumped into 238 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: this story pretty heavily too. This is what I first 239 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 2: read from newsnine dot com. FBI investigating alleged death threats 240 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: made by county officials against Oklahoma newspaper reporters, posted on 241 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: April sixteenth at ten nineteen pm. That was a Sunday. Okay, 242 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: So that right there, there's a recording and there's some 243 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: death threats that are happening against journalists in Oklahoma. Where 244 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: in Oklahoma? Why in McCurtain County, Like that's the curtains 245 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 2: maybe in your apartment or or your house McDonald curtains 246 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: by McDonald's. Yeah, this is real, and the Federal Bureau 247 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: of Investigation is really investigating the There is a man 248 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: named Bruce Willingham who happened to work at this place 249 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: called the McCurtain Gazette News. It's a family owned business 250 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: that's been around since the early nineteen hundreds. We're talking 251 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: like nineteen oh nine. This person, Bruce, got wind of 252 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,719 Speaker 2: a potentially bad thing that was happening in his hometown 253 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: there in McCurtain County. Allegedly, at least the rumor that 254 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: he heard was that commissioners were meeting in secret with 255 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: the sheriff's department and people from the investigating side of 256 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: the sheriff's department, such as a you know, a sheriff's 257 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: investigator and district commissioners. And this was really troubling because 258 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: these meetings were happening immediately following the official public meetings. 259 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: Right when these commissioners and sheriffs get together to have 260 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: a meeting, it's supposed to be public record. That's why 261 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: there are minutes to these meetings. That's why you can 262 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 2: go back, as you know, somebody who lives in that 263 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: county and see exactly what Commissioner Mark Jennings, who's part 264 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: of District two by the way, what he said in 265 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: the meeting, or what District three Commissioner Robert Beck said 266 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 2: in that meeting, or even the McCurtain County Sheriff, mister 267 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: Kevin Clarity Clardy. Well, for Bruce to find out if 268 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: this were true, he spoke to some attorneys and they 269 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: informed him that it would be completely legal for you 270 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: to have a let's say, voice activated recording device that 271 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 2: you would use to conduct an interview or something and 272 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 2: leave that, you know, somewhere in the room where the 273 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: public meeting is occurring, and then walk out of the 274 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 2: room and then come back and get it later. Well, 275 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 2: that's indeed what he did, and when he came back 276 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: to get his recording device, he had over three hours 277 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: of audio of, in fact, a secret, non public meeting 278 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: that was occurring between those district commissioners. I just mentioned 279 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 2: the county sheriff, a sheriff's investigator Alicia Manning, a jail 280 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: administrator named Larry Hendrix, and a commissioner's secretary, Heather Carter. 281 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 3: And this was literally a little water cooler conversation. You know, 282 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: they're probably just catching up on episodes of The Mandalorian 283 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: or Debating Police Academy for surely. 284 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: Oh maybe, Well, why don't we go checking to see 285 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: what Bruce posted, because he actually posted a partial transcript 286 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: of this, and he's going to be posting more. He 287 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: also posted excerpts from the audio that you can listen 288 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: to right now if you want to. Let's just dig in, 289 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 2: let's see what happens. So there is a Google document 290 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: that was shared out that you can read of this transcript. 291 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 2: This transcript can also be found partially in places like 292 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 2: the Oklahoman. It was also even mentioned I saw by 293 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: Rachel Maddow who even played some of this audio on 294 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: her show. But if you want to read it, you 295 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 2: can find it, just search for it. We'll tell you 296 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 2: about this March sixth, twenty twenty three meeting that was 297 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: held in secret at first, at least the first thing 298 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 2: that was shared by Bruce is they're discussing barbecue, except 299 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: not barbecue food. They're talking about a victim of a tragedy, 300 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: someone who died by a fire, and they're discussing with 301 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: very gallows humor, maybe not discussing. They're comparing this person's 302 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 2: remains to barbecued meat. It's very disturbing. It's messed up. 303 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: I don't think we need to go fully into that 304 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: right now. The next thing that is posted here is 305 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: discussing racism within the county government. This is pretty disturbing. 306 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: It's really disturbing. Actually, this specific part of the transcript 307 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: inspired a fairly large protest at the shriff's department they're 308 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 2: in McCurtain County because they are very clearly racist against 309 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: people of color, specifically black people, and they say horrible things. 310 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: I don't want to repeat these things on the show today, 311 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: but you can find this and look it up. They're 312 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: basically saying, if you could do the stuff you used 313 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: to be able to do to black people. These guys 314 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: are all white, by the way, then yeah, we could 315 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: get somebody to run for sheriff, but not now because 316 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: you know, quote, they've got more rights than we got unquote. 317 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: They're discussing hanging people, lynching people, and putting them in 318 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: a creek. Basically really messed up. But the reason we're 319 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 2: talking about it today, and the reason why this recording 320 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: was so maybe important to Bruce's life, it is because 321 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 2: of the following. Okay, so we're going to read from 322 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: this transcript now with Ben and myself and Mac playing 323 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: these characters. We're going to state the name of the 324 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: person who's speaking before we read the line what they said. 325 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 2: Here we go all right, I'm Manning, they are insignificant 326 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 2: in my life. Really, they bring no. 327 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: Murmur, Sheriff. The old saying is what goes around goes around. 328 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 3: It will. I told you it. 329 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 2: Will, Jennings. I know where two deep holes are if 330 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 2: you ever need. 331 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: Them, Sheriff, I've got an excavator. 332 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: Jennings. Well, these are already pre dug. Okay, so let's 333 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: talk about context here. They are discussing when Manning says 334 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: they are insignificant in my life. Really, they are discussing 335 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: Bruce Willingham and his son Chris Willingham, who was also 336 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 2: a reporter at the McCurtain Gazette News. So they are 337 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 2: discussing two deep holes where, you know, the implication, as 338 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 2: we would say, is that these are holes where you 339 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: could bury some right, And the sheriff comes in and says, well, 340 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: if you need other holes or a bigger hole, I've 341 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 2: got an excavator they could assist you in that pretty 342 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: messed up, right, Well, it gets worse. We're gonna move 343 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: on to a section titled hiring hitmen. Let's do this 344 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: one too, guys, Jennings. But the thing of it is, 345 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: you know, Manning, we actually told the truth. Jennings. I've known. 346 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 2: I've known two or three hit men. They're very quiet guys. Manning, Yeah, Jennings, 347 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: and would cut no mercy Manning, Yeah, Jennings in Louisiana 348 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 2: because this is all mafia around here. 349 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: Kevin, Oh yeah. 350 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: Manning, Yeah. But here's the reality. If a hair on 351 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: his wife's head, Chris Willingham's head, or any of those 352 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 2: people that really were behind that, any hair on their 353 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: head got touched by anybody who would be the bad. 354 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 3: Guy sheriff who would be blamed for it. Manning, Yeah, 355 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 3: Just gonna add another Kevin line. Kevin goes day bout 356 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: bow m hmm rck. 357 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 2: Kevin says, guys, should we be talking about any of 358 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: this right? 359 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 3: Kevin saying, hey, could you speak closer to my clavicle? 360 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 3: I like how we're giving people's first and last names 361 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 3: as we speculate about murders. This seems a very, very 362 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 3: first off, horrifying. 363 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 2: What is horrifying? And we're saying these names out loud 364 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: like this because they were letting you know who's speaking, right. 365 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: If you've listened to the audio, it's just people having 366 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 2: a conversation. It feels super informal. 367 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, Matt, I'm specifically talking about when Manning 368 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: says a hair on his wife's head, Chris Willingham's head, 369 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 3: Like yeah, like naming that way, And you know, props 370 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: to you and Max for the excellent voice work there. 371 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 3: We we did pull Max in at the last second, 372 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: So thanks for. 373 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no, thank you Max, Thank you sir. But 374 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: really you can find the actual recording of that. We're 375 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 2: just trying to illustrate here and speak it as clearly 376 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: as possible so you can understand what's being said. This 377 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: is a conversation that was recorded without any of the 378 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: people involveds knowledge, right, right, which is the next thing 379 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 2: we need to talk about, because, at least initially, according 380 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: to the Sheriff's Department, this recording was made illegally. It 381 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: would fall under some of the wiretapping laws, like the 382 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 2: one in Georgia that states if you are not a 383 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: party to a conversation, you are not allowed to record 384 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: anybody else, And in the very least, it couldn't be 385 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 2: used in a court of law as evidence, right, It 386 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 2: would just be maybe something that leads down a further investigation. 387 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 2: So the Sheriff's Department is saying, you know, this is 388 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 2: not real. As an informal thing, we think maybe this 389 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: audio is doctored. This couldn't possibly you know, this isn't 390 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 2: real at least, and if it is real, it's illegal. 391 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: But then other things started. 392 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: Happening, other things such as. 393 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 2: Such as the Oklahoma governor, the person who runs the 394 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 2: entire state, came out and said, guys, we're gonna need 395 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: all of y'all to resign. Specifically, I mean, these are 396 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: all officials, right, they're county commissioners, a county sheriff, they're 397 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: a sheriff's investigator, an administrator. The governor said, we need 398 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: you to resign basically as a state, we're gonna need 399 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 2: you to get out of your positions. And again they 400 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: were all fighting back. This was all happening starting on 401 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: April sixteenth again, and now it is as we're recording 402 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 2: this Wednesday, April nineteenth, and as of today, guys, a 403 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 2: McCurtain County commissioner has resigned. Mark Jennings, one of the 404 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: people that we just spoke to the words. We spoke 405 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 2: their words, right, He handed in his resignation just two 406 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 2: days after this audio left. And check this out. Alicia Manning, 407 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 2: Sheriff Kevin Clardy, and administrator Larry Hendricks were all suspended 408 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: from the Oklahoma Sheriff's Association on Monday when this audio 409 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: was first leaked or released. 410 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 3: I mean, threatening to threatening to kill a journalist. Threatening 411 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: any extra judicial killing is squarely against the law. You know, 412 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: there's a good question whether or not these people will 413 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 3: actually be prosecuted, right or will they plead something like this? 414 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 3: What will they plead intent saying? Hey, this is just 415 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: Gallo's humor. Also, the Kevin you mentioned Matt is indeed 416 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,400 Speaker 3: the Kevin who on the transcript, how ridiculous? How cartoonish 417 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: is this? On the transcript aspects that our journalist shares, 418 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: Kevin is the one who just sort of leaned it 419 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 3: goes oh yeah, like wait, wait, what are you doing, Kevin? 420 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: What do you're weird? 421 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: High? 422 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: He's the sheriff and you're the sheriff. 423 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, which does count legally? You could count that as consenting, 424 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: co signing, acknowledging, pre mediation, you know. 425 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. There's another wrinkle to this whole situation. You 426 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: may think, why in the heck would all these high 427 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: level people in this county want to go after some journalists. 428 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 2: That doesn't make much sense, right, Why would you want 429 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: to do that? Maybe they are writing some stories that 430 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: you know, made the commissioners look bad or something, or 431 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: made the county look bad or it's leadership. And yes, 432 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: that is exactly what happened. And the Gazette News, the 433 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: organization that Bruce and Chris Willingham worked for, was already 434 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: suing the county in federal court, so there was already 435 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 2: a court case. So in a way, you could argue, 436 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 2: if you're the FBI, that these folks might be attempting 437 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 2: to do some sort of I guess it wouldn't be 438 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 2: witness tampering or you know, killing a witness or anything 439 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 2: like that, but it would be pretty close to that, 440 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 2: wouldn't it. If there's already a federal court case and 441 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: you take out the people who are suing, I don't know, 442 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: can really show some motivers some intent there. It doesn't 443 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: look good, No, it doesn't. So hey this we're gonna 444 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: have to keep an eye on this, see where it goes. 445 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,959 Speaker 2: Let us know if you have more information, But for now, 446 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick break. Here a word 447 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: from our sponsor, and we'll be right back with more 448 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: strange news. 449 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: Chinese spies are watching you. They see your every move. 450 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: We're back, We're back. 451 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: I love this. We been We have to sing the 452 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: opening to every strange news segment. Now this is the 453 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 2: best you're singing. 454 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 3: I'm kind of doing like a shot Tom Waite's thing 455 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 3: talking about your two kinds. Man. I'm glad we got 456 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: esteroturf cancer together, Mattes. This is a true story, folks. 457 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 3: You may recalled that. A while back. We talked in 458 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 3: a little bit of depth and medium depth about the 459 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 3: so called secret police stations that the Chinese government has 460 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: created in multiple countries across the planet. Quite recently, Uncle 461 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: Sam made some moves against some of these institutions. These 462 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: structures located in the continental United States. US prosecutors arrested 463 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 3: two men in Manhattan, New York for allegedly operating a 464 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 3: quote secret police station in Chinatown right in Manhattan, and 465 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 3: six stations of this sort are currently under scrutiny in 466 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 3: the United States. Why is this an important update, Well, 467 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: because there's stuff that's not getting in the news about this, 468 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of conversation that is doing 469 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 3: its due diligence to inform the public. I'd like to 470 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 3: talk with you, guys, Matt Max about a couple issues here. First, Matt, 471 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: you remember the story right when we started talking about 472 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 3: these things. Why are they called secret police stations? 473 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 2: Yes, I definitely remember this. I guess they're called secret 474 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 2: police stations because they're not a police station the way 475 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: you would think of one. Right, They, at least according 476 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: to the PRC the People's Republic of China, they are 477 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: service stations. Right. Didn't we learn that China says these 478 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 2: things that are popping up that the FBI was investigating 479 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 2: when we last talked about it. They are there to 480 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 2: help people with things like driver's license and official documentation 481 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 2: while like Chinese nationals, while they are inside the United States. 482 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent nailed it. The idea of being hey, 483 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: maybe maybe English is not your native language or a 484 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: language in which you are proficient. We are here to 485 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 3: help you handle paperwork. Maybe you want to wire money 486 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 3: back home, maybe you want a coordinated trip to seek 487 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 3: relatives and so on. That's the official position of the 488 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: Chinese government. And if that is absolutely true, then it 489 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 3: makes sense. What we're looking at is the function of 490 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: a foreign service, right, A consulate an embassy. Problem is 491 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: Chida already has those in every single country where they've 492 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 3: got these service centers. In addition, and in the US 493 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: as well as in many other countries. People who are 494 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: like in this situation, people who are Chinese American are 495 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 3: voicing concerns. They're saying their families back in mainland China 496 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 3: are being threatened. They're saying they're being harassed. There are allegations, 497 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 3: not proven yet, that the government of China is attempting 498 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 3: to conduct some turning operations saying, hey, you work in 499 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 3: this field, report back to us. Here's a picture of 500 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 3: you know, your uncle over in Shanghai or something. And 501 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 3: while this speculation happened, one of the really dangerous things 502 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: about it is I would argue it encouraged a wave, sorry, 503 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 3: it accelerated a wave of anti Asian discrimination and accelerated 504 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 3: a wave of senophobia in particular, and different bad faith 505 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 3: actors glommed onto this as way to platform their own agendas. 506 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 3: But you have to understand that if these accusations are true, 507 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 3: taking political ideology to one side, it's a very dangerous thing, 508 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 3: right because they are threatening US nationals on US soil. 509 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, let's talk about the two guys that 510 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: they got arrested for this, and then how China describes them. Okay, 511 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 2: so they're older gentlemen, right, they're older guys. One of 512 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 2: them is fifty nine years old as of the moment 513 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 2: they were picked up, and the other one is sixty 514 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: one years old. 515 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 3: Right, Spring chickens, they are not. 516 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 2: No, they're not. And according to China, this particular police 517 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: station or service station, as well as all the others 518 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,839 Speaker 2: are quote volunteer run, right, So they're not the I 519 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: remember this from our last discussion. The people who operate 520 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 2: these things and work at these locations are not official 521 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: members of some police force right within within China or 522 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 2: anything like that, or some kind of national guard or 523 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 2: anything like that. They're volunteers. 524 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not employed directly by the PRC. But neither 525 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 3: is the fifty cent army, right or the hacking initiatives. Yeah, 526 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 3: you're making You're making a really good point because if 527 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:26,320 Speaker 3: it's just people doing volunteer work, right, laboring for their conscience, 528 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 3: then are do they count as spies? Do they count 529 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 3: as undeclared foreign operatives? It's also, by the way, it's 530 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 3: totally fine to be a spy you just have. It's 531 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 3: so dumb. It's like how the IRS specifically doesn't care 532 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 3: if you make money from crime. They just want their cut. 533 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 3: So like, if you like, back before cannabis was being 534 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: decriminalized across the US, the IRS would technically require you 535 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 3: to report profits made from selling cannabis and then give them, 536 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 3: you know, whatever their whatever their blood prices. 537 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 538 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 3: And it's kind of it's weirdly similar with foreign intelligence 539 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 3: operations across the world, Like apparently it's totally legal to uh, 540 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: to hang with spies. To be a spy in the 541 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 3: United States, you just got to tell the White House 542 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 3: just gonna saying, hey, I'm here, I'm gonna do some 543 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 3: sketchy stuff, and they'll be like, oh, type bro. 544 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 2: And they just put somebody on you and you're good. 545 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 3: They put someone on you who becomes a new neighbor, 546 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: your new best friend. Uh. 547 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 548 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 3: The FBI raided this facility in Manhattan in October, and 549 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 3: before they raided it, this group was coordinating, per Uncle Sam, 550 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 3: they were coordinating widespread harassment of primarily Chinese Americans who 551 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 3: were criticizing the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party. And now 552 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 3: the US is joining the chorus of other countries who 553 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 3: say that the Chinese Ministry of Public Security has established 554 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 3: hundreds of such operations across the planet. Interestingly, also, I 555 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 3: believe the Department of Justice here in the States charged 556 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 3: forty four different Chinese officials in addition to the two 557 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 3: American citizens they just arrested, and their charges are enforcing 558 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 3: Chinese laws on US soil. It's strange, man, curious or 559 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 3: and curious or here's the plot twist question, Matt. Have 560 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: you thought about the timing on this thing? I think 561 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 3: there might be some reindeer games, Dude. 562 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: There is some weird timing. You know. We discussed it 563 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 2: just the other day. The Pentagon came out and you know, 564 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,960 Speaker 2: without saying it signaled pretty heavily that we are preparing 565 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 2: for potential, actual hot conflicts with our two main adversaries, 566 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 2: China and Russia. And this is of course, by attempting 567 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 2: to get a whopping eight hundred and fifty plus billion 568 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 2: dollars for the defense budget for the Pentagon. It makes 569 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 2: a lot of sense. There's some serious tension going on 570 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 2: in Taiwan right now with not just the United States 571 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: and China, but with several other allies of the United 572 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 2: States and China's posturing there in Taiwan. I don't know 573 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 2: what else. There's a lot going on right now. 574 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:44,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, Taiwan is sending signals increasingly about shoring up defense. 575 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 3: There are a lot of analyzes that have gone into 576 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 3: the public sphere that would ordinarily, ordinarily not be a 577 00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 3: dinner table conversation for John and Jane q public here 578 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 3: in the States. But they're things like figuring out the 579 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 3: likelihood of a successful invasion of Taiwan by Chinese forces. 580 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:16,120 Speaker 3: And then China also conducted some let's call them warm 581 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 3: up games to figure out how to encircle Taiwan, right, 582 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 3: and and of course the US has the world's most 583 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 3: dangerous navy, so how like, how will these resources move around? 584 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: Don't forget the Restrict Act. 585 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: Right right, don't forget the Restrict Act. They said, Oh, 586 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 3: you're going for Taiwan. Screw TikTok then bro, Yeah, yeah, 587 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 3: it sounds so weird, so surreal that these two things 588 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 3: would be related, but they very like all of these 589 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,360 Speaker 3: things are related. Nothing occurs in a vacuum. And the 590 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 3: thing that's nuts to me about this, Matt and I 591 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 3: suspect you Maximy share the same spidery sense about this. 592 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 3: The United States does run a pretty tight ship, and 593 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:16,360 Speaker 3: they in this regard such such that they clearly knew 594 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 3: about these stations before the news went public, you know 595 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 3: what I mean, Like as soon as people in Chinatown 596 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:31,399 Speaker 3: and Manhattan were getting pushed or pressed or turned, they 597 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 3: were probably aware. They keep they keep five eyes on that, 598 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 3: you know. 599 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, of course they weren't aware of Jack Tiksierra. 600 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 3: All right, it remains to be seen, remains to be seen. Well, 601 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 3: we will see, we'll see, uh, we'll see what the 602 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 3: official conclusion is on that one. But yeah, you're right, 603 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 3: I'm saying, though, they with these kind of established channels 604 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 3: that are happening, Yeah, they know those strategies, They know 605 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 3: that process, so they I feel like they knew well 606 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 3: before they ever went public, and it was kind of 607 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 3: a save it in your back pocket thing. 608 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that totally checks out. Something crazy at least logically, 609 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,800 Speaker 2: no checks out for me. Logically, just kind of waiting, 610 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 2: sitting on it, waiting to pull the trigger when they 611 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 2: needed to. 612 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 3: Because again, one of the best ways to run counterintelligence 613 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 3: operation is to not immediately kick the fox out of 614 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 3: the henhouse, but to let the fox think. You don't 615 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 3: know where it's at. 616 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 2: What's that fox doing this? Just watching for a while? Listen? 617 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: Wait, what was that song? What is the fox? 618 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:43,359 Speaker 1: Uh? 619 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 2: What does the fox say? Or what the fox say? 620 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,799 Speaker 2: I can't remember. I don't how to do it. I 621 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 2: just remember it's like. 622 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And that comes directly from, as you know, folks, 623 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 3: that comes directly from a sealed diplomatic cable between these 624 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 3: these police baces at Beijing. Yeah, who are run by 625 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: anthropomorphic foxes? Why does this matter? Well? Uh, it matters 626 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 3: for a couple of incredibly important reasons. The first reason 627 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 3: is that any US national should not be threatened by 628 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 3: a foreign government on US soil. You know what I mean? Like, imagine, 629 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,919 Speaker 3: imagine you are walking through let's go to Oklahoma. Why 630 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 3: not let's go back to Oklahoma. Imagine you're walking through 631 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,280 Speaker 3: Oklahoma and all of a sudden, a bunch of sketchy 632 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,600 Speaker 3: Germans roll up on you because your grandfather is German 633 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 3: or was German, and they're like, they're like, hey, you 634 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 3: need to tell us that. What's something stupid that people 635 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: would have secrets about? 636 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 2: Oh hello, mister Frederick. 637 00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 3: Oh snap, why are you guys in leeder Hosen. It's 638 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 3: a Tuesday, okay, but like, okay, our example, Okay, we'll 639 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 3: put that in the director's cut. We should start a 640 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 3: Patreon but this. While you may not hear the full 641 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 3: the full sketch we just did, which is amazing, by 642 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 3: the way, and features Max Williams yodeling, you will be interested, 643 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 3: I think, in noticing how dangerous that situation becomes, right, 644 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 3: especially in the United States, where so many people come 645 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 3: from so many different places. That's the first reason this 646 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 3: is dangerous, and I would count the timing there as 647 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 3: sus as it may be, as part of number one. 648 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,800 Speaker 3: The second problem with this, which is readily apparent, I hope, 649 00:43:52,480 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 3: is that it is accelerating prejudice, it's accelerating discrimination, It's 650 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 3: aiding and abetting a lot of racism. And you have 651 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,160 Speaker 3: to be careful when you read how these things are reported. Right, 652 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 3: more racist outlets are going to try to paint one 653 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 3: point four billion people as some sort of monolithic supervillain 654 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 3: when it couldn't be further from the truth. 655 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, and even outside of the racism, it's pressurizing the 656 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,280 Speaker 2: already existing pressure that, like the diplomatic pressure that exists 657 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 2: between rival countries, right, I mean it's not good. 658 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 3: And additionally, okay, so now that we know this and 659 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 3: well said Matt, we also have to ask why people 660 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 3: aren't talking about the Confucius Institute, which we cited earlier. 661 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 3: That's soft power, that's diplomacy. Right, This is how some 662 00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 3: of this geopolitical chess can occur. Right, These are the 663 00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,760 Speaker 3: reindeer games. And the question then becomes how how does 664 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,440 Speaker 3: the United States? How do other countries handle this stuff? 665 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 3: It's not an easy answer. Like you, if you close 666 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 3: all of them down, something else may happen. You may 667 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,320 Speaker 3: risk infringing upon people's rights in this country or other countries, 668 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,440 Speaker 3: and then inevitably one would have to acknowledge the ugly 669 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,440 Speaker 3: truth no one likes to talk about, which is that 670 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 3: a lot of countries do the same thing. You know 671 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 3: what I mean. Extradition treaties are all well and good, 672 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 3: but people get snatched, right, people go to they do 673 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 3: go to places that don't officially exist. 674 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,239 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, those black sites. America doesn't have any 675 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 2: of those anywhere officially. 676 00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,040 Speaker 3: So I say let's leave it here. I think we 677 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 3: have we found some things that are gonna probably become 678 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 3: full episodes, depending on how things play out. We hope 679 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 3: you enjoyed this week's strange news. We want to hear 680 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 3: from you folks. Thanks, of course, as always to Max 681 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 3: Free Train Williams for filling in and letting us throw 682 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 3: him a Shyamalan plot twist with a harrowing re enactment. 683 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,560 Speaker 2: Matt, appreciate that, Max, Yeah, appreciate you, Max. 684 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,839 Speaker 3: Matt. If people want to get in touch with us, uh, 685 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 3: and they're not a secret Chinese police station, what's the 686 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:28,920 Speaker 3: best way to do so? 687 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of ways you can find 688 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,560 Speaker 2: us on our TikTok ha ha. Well, it's still allowed 689 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 2: in the United States, where we are a conspiracy Stuff show, which, 690 00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,759 Speaker 2: by the way, our director west Ben just shared with 691 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 2: us the first cut of our secret donor video that 692 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,600 Speaker 2: we made the other day. 693 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 3: Oh we're gonna have chow Max, all right, will you 694 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 3: stay on after we record to watch this one with us? 695 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,120 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah perfect. You can also find 696 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 2: us on Instagram, where we are again Conspiracy Stuff Show, 697 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 2: On Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and several other places we are 698 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff. Keeping it short. 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