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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think this is a real testament to everybody

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Speaker 1: one of the rare investigative reporters in this sport. The

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Speaker 1: Ben has a vendetta against verav Ben wrote a glowing,

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Speaker 1: loving profile of this Zverev family traveling around in a

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Speaker 1: So that's all basically I want to say about it.

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Speaker 1: And that is the Laver Cup that I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think if you want to know

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Speaker 1: with Noah Rubin, where Mary basically just said I had

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Speaker 2: And it's good because the co host of Noah's name

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Speaker 3: Was it's hard for me Mary to like do what

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Speaker 2: I just have this, as you said, stand up for

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Speaker 3: You know, Mary has a presence.

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Speaker 2: But Mary also said I've lost a lot of jobs

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Speaker 2: So we rely on people like Mary. She's a little

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Speaker 1: And yeah, whatever happens, it is now being taken into

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Speaker 1: have been. The whole time, yes, and you know, and

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Speaker 1: now we can sort of focus on the stuff that

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Speaker 1: we like the best, which is the tennis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is the tennis. So we're super excited to

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Speaker 2: Ice Hotel tomorrow and we love the Ice.

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Speaker 3: They're such great. Yeah, they do a great job for.

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Speaker 2: Us and with us, and yeah, we're just super excited

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Speaker 1: If you can are hearing this, turn up tomorrow night.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go get some thicks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hungry.

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Speaker 1: I'm starving. All right until soon. Thank you for listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys, We appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: We do appreciate you back.

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Speaker 1: And that's it for this episode of the Racket Magazine podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Our host is Renee Stoves. Our co

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Speaker 1: host and producer is me Katelin Thompson. Music by internationally

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Speaker 1: renowned DJ Stretch Armstrong. Thanks to Tim or Jerry and

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Speaker 1: then the team at acast. Find us at racketmag dot com,

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