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Speaker 1: straight Fire, fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for

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Speaker 1: Thursday October and listen. We talked about how good of

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Speaker 1: a week in sports? This is how lit was Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously, we had two baseball games, we had

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Speaker 1: a massive opening of the NBA, and we're definitely gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about some of the games, not in depth because

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Speaker 1: again it's one of eight. Two take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: It is fun to get excited and worked up about

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Speaker 1: teams like, oh, I don't know, the nuts who get

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Speaker 1: destroyed by a million points on opening night at Oh God,

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Speaker 1: you gotta yeah, yeah, you love to see it. Um.

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Speaker 1: But quickly on the baseball Yankees, Man, so they're down, No,

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Speaker 1: I come back four to one, Astros? What the heck?

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Speaker 1: It's just it rubs me the wrong way. Uh. Nice

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Speaker 1: So now Phillies Padres one a piece. That's a fun series. Um,

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Speaker 1: But listen, I I would be lying to you if

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Speaker 1: We have a good guest coming up. He's gonna talk

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Speaker 1: Tyler Dunn. He's gonna talk about this new book he's

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Speaker 1: got on tight Ends. It's pretty cool hanging out with

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Shocky. You guys remember him, he was once a

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Speaker 1: really good tight end. Tony Gonzalez Stories just really an

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Speaker 1: interesting book. But before we get to Tyler, just a

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Speaker 1: Nice to have you back, Buddy. Twenty five and nine

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Speaker 1: though they lost. Paolo Bancato twenty seven points. Not a

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Speaker 1: bad debut. Listen, I love this kid coming out of Duke.

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Speaker 1: You know that I have a soft spot to the

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Speaker 1: getting to our guest. One more positive, maybe two, because

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Speaker 1: you know I'm all in on this team this year.

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Hawks get the dub over a frisky Rockets team.

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Speaker 1: The backcourt I love did not shoot well, but Trey

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Speaker 1: He's just not. He's not committed. Six of nineteen shooting,

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving has dragged down Kevin Durant's career, his reputation.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Dunne, who's gonna tell you a great book that

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Speaker 1: he wrote all about tight ends. Jason likes to think

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Speaker 1: He's covered them for a while. He's in a prolific writer.

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Speaker 1: He's got a new book out, The Blood and Guts.

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Speaker 1: How tight Ends? George Kittle? Maybe uh, Travis Kelsey, who's

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Speaker 1: saving my fantasy team? How tight ends? Say football? Tyler

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Speaker 1: Shocky was wild. Shocky was wild. That was probably right

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Speaker 1: him in the slot and he became a slot receiver

422
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Speaker 1: basically when Brandon Stokely suffered an injury and two two

423
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Speaker 1: thousand six year they won the Super Bowl. Um, you

424
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Speaker 1: put him in the slot, all right, You want to

425
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 1: put a corner on him, somebody small. He can drive

426
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Speaker 1: him downfield. He can bury it. You know, he comes

427
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Speaker 1: from Iowa. There's some toughness to him. But if you

428
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Speaker 1: want to put a linebacker out, he's gonna lead into

429
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Speaker 1: all of the reps he has with Peyton Manning, I

430
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 1: mean in the off season and they were like best friends.

431
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: They're pulling pranks on teammates all the time, legendary pranks.

432
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 1: When it came to the field. Didn't just work up

433
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Speaker 1: the corio route tree then go one through nine. It

434
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,439
Speaker 1: was like, today, we're gonna work on this one route

435
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: until we get it absolutely perfect twenty times to an inch,

436
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: and then that's what you get in two thousand six

437
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 1: against Baltimore Divisional playoff round game on the line, setting

438
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: up a field goal to win. Boom the balls there,

439
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: even though Corey Ivy is in perfect coverage. So um yes, schematically,

440
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: Dallas Clark is everything the Colts needed to just to

441
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: reach a totally new level. And it's all rooted in

442
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 1: his just insane upbringing and everything he fought through in Iowa. Now, Tyler,

443
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,119
Speaker 1: you also right for a website. Go along. Um, I

444
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Speaker 1: know you've done a lot of stuff on the Bills.

445
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: I was just checking it out some stuff on the Packers.

446
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you on Green Bay. They've they've been

447
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: I think the most disappointing team so far this season.

448
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: I know the schedule is kind of up and down,

449
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: but what what do you make of this Aaron Rodger stuff.

450
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000
Speaker 1: I actually had someone try to tell me watch him

451
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Speaker 1: push for a trade. I had an agent in the

452
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Speaker 1: in the NFL industry text me. Now, I'm like, what

453
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Speaker 1: do you what? What? What's happening? What do you think

454
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Speaker 1: is happening with the because right now, well the Packers

455
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: should have traded him two years ago when he's holding

456
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Speaker 1: your hostage. I mean, I was banging away at that

457
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Speaker 1: drum and go along, and people are we're looking at

458
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Speaker 1: me like I had three heads. But okay, he's the

459
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Speaker 1: m v P of the league. I get it. But

460
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: he's also dragging you out into the public square trying

461
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Speaker 1: to embarrass you. And instead of basically, you know, taking

462
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Speaker 1: a sheet of paper and writing down exactly what you

463
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Speaker 1: want from San Francisco, from Denver, from whoever. I mean,

464
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: my god, if Russell Wilson a year later is getting

465
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Speaker 1: two first two seconds and a package of players, what

466
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Speaker 1: is Aaron Rodgers gonna get you? By the way, you

467
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback in the first round, who in theories

468
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: should be playing soon? Um? People forgot about Jordan's love,

469
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Like that's a complete waste of a pick. How are

470
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Speaker 1: they not getting savage for that? Anyways? Continue, see, I

471
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Speaker 1: I kind of like George Love. I think I think

472
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Speaker 1: I think that what you like about him. I mean,

473
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything preseason or otherwise from this guy

474
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Speaker 1: that leads me to believe he could be anything. Have

475
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Speaker 1: you have you seen it? I think that it's he's

476
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Speaker 1: an old school developmental quarterback and so used to these

477
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Speaker 1: guys playing right away. I think they knew that they

478
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: took somebody who was extremely raw, and that last year

479
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: in Utah State, you know, there's just absolute chaos all

480
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Speaker 1: around him. He's improvised and he's throwing, throwing on the run.

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Speaker 1: He he has a like he has. He has taken

482
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Speaker 1: a lot of steps. I think you have to look

483
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Speaker 1: beyond the numbers in this past preseason where I mean

484
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: interceptions are bouncing off guy's hands. He he looked better.

485
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying he's ready to be a

486
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Speaker 1: playoff quarterback right now. But you know, if Aaron Rodgers

487
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Speaker 1: is is doing what he was good to your franchise

488
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Speaker 1: at that point, and you did draft a quarterback in

489
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Speaker 1: the first round, you can you can get a veteran

490
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Speaker 1: in a deal. I don't know. I mean the main

491
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Speaker 1: reason to pull that trade to me is Tom Brady

492
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: is the anomaly. Tom Brady is not normal, right. These

493
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are not all gonna be playing like that at

494
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Speaker 1: forty five. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Damn or you know,

495
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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, try pick anybody else when they get into

496
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Speaker 1: their late thirties early forties. The a little bit it

497
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Speaker 1: comes off the fastball here. Phletticism takes a little bit

498
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Speaker 1: of a hit. Unless your defense is lights out like

499
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Speaker 1: Denver wasn't to in fifteen, or the team around Drew

500
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Speaker 1: Brees like it was, You're you're not going to compete.

501
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: So now that you see the defense is just kind

502
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Speaker 1: of average, right, the supporting cast is just kind of okay. Um,

503
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Speaker 1: at least six games in, Aaron Rodgers is being exposed

504
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Speaker 1: as an ordinary quarterback. And I think there's gonna come

505
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Speaker 1: a point this season where green Bay looks back and says,

506
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Speaker 1: holy hell, why didn't we do what Seattle didn't? Then

507
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Speaker 1: some because it's a hundred fifty million dollars. I mean,

508
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Speaker 1: that's an albatross of a Wait, whenever he retires their toast,

509
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Speaker 1: I don't know where they go post. What do you

510
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Speaker 1: think the market is for him? If he said, you

511
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Speaker 1: know what, I've had a good run, I think I'm done.

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Speaker 1: I don't like Lafleur. First of all, his age. I

513
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: think he turns thirty nine here soon. Um, are people

514
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Speaker 1: gonna be clamoring for him and giving up multiple first

515
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Speaker 1: and seconds? They're not good? I don't think so. I

516
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Speaker 1: think that ship is sad. Yeah, I wouldn't think so either. Yeah,

517
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Speaker 1: that's right, I would agree you know, unless they're paying Jordan,

518
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Speaker 1: an owner could step in Aaron Rodgers, right, David Tepper

519
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: and Carolina. We haven't had a quarterback. That's the only

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Speaker 1: path out of this more ass that I'm in. Let's

521
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Speaker 1: bring him on. Like there's some teams who have not.

522
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Speaker 1: They just haven't figured out quarterback. The Dolphins, Uh, since

523
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Speaker 1: Dan Marino left, they haven't figured out quarterback. It's a

524
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Speaker 1: It's very tough man. My Jets. Tell me the best

525
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: Jets quarterbacks in the last thirty five years. I mean, seriously,

526
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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, Ken O'Brien, geez, Chad Pennington. I think one

527
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Speaker 1: of a couple of playoff games Mark Sante has won

528
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Speaker 1: four Ken O'Brien more. No, they didn't even make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That was a disaster. But I am curious, like, do

530
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Speaker 1: you think that there's enough time because you know the overreaction, Tyler,

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Speaker 1: You know this right? Two years ago, Buck seven and

532
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Speaker 1: five win the Super Bowl. Last year Rams seven and five,

533
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Speaker 1: Stafford struggling win the Super Bowl. So three and three

534
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: not the end of the world, right, I think the

535
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Speaker 1: Green Babe in theory is a super Bowl team, right.

536
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: The NDFC is just a cluttered mess. I mean at

537
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Speaker 1: the start of the season, That's what I'm thinking, because

538
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Speaker 1: the defense, and you've drafted a ton of guys in

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Speaker 1: the first round. You did it again with Kaywalker, with

540
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Speaker 1: Devonte Wyatt. You've got the best nose tack on football,

541
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. You've got a playmaking linebacker, Devandre Campbell. Um

542
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: Campbell has not been the same Campbell this season. Right.

543
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: I think that on paper, you can talk yourself into

544
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: Green Bay win in a certain way, winning that back

545
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: alley way at San Francisco has done these past few seasons,

546
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: and you get into the game, I don't know who's

547
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: the blame, right, Aaron Rodgers has car blanche to do

548
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: whatever he wants, whether it's at the facility talking talking

549
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: about it immunization, or at the light of scrimmage calling

550
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: change it runs too passes. And I get it to

551
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Speaker 1: your point, it's so hard to find a quarterback. I

552
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Speaker 1: do get just given you know, giving Aaron Rodgers all

553
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: that money, giving them all that freedom. Not totally understand

554
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: that logic, but they're in it now. So he's at

555
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage throwing the ball forty times and

556
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones is getting nine carries um. At some point

557
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: Matt Leflour is gonna have to step in and say, look,

558
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Speaker 1: I'm the coach. You know we we can't be doing this.

559
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: We can't be ignoring our best player all game long

560
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: and losing to the freaking new your Jets. I think

561
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: at some point that that's got to happen. Happened with

562
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Speaker 1: some respect on the Jets, Tyler, the new Friends out.

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Speaker 1: Um Hey, So we could wrap up with this like

564
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: it's we're in an interesting time where the COVID year

565
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 1: scoring was like super high and then it came down

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Speaker 1: a little last year, and now it's down significantly, and

567
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying, well once, um, I

568
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: don't remember who was credited with solving quote unquote solving

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Speaker 1: Mahomes with the two high safeties and making him take

570
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Speaker 1: the six and seven yard routes as he doesn't want

571
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Speaker 1: he wants the big play. Like everybody's now copying that

572
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: it's slowed down Joe Burrow and the big plays aren't there,

573
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: and now scoring is kind of down, and you're seeing

574
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Speaker 1: some numbers that are like this hasn't happened in twenty years,

575
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: and totals are down and everybody who's betting unders is

576
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Speaker 1: cleaning up. I don't know, Tyler. It's just like, uh,

577
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: some kind of flashpoint moment we're approaching where the league

578
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: may have to do something because you know that, whether

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Speaker 1: it's the movies, UH and B college football, everybody likes scoring.

580
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: They're exciting. It puts butts in the seats. What do

581
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: you make of what's happening now or is it just

582
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 1: an overblown small sample size. It's a great question because

583
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: the league is definitely on top of things like this,

584
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Speaker 1: and then they want to turn this into shootout just

585
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: shoot out football every way possible. The flags, the fine

586
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: psycho psychologically getting into defensive player's heads. You can you

587
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: cannot act like that, you cannot hit like that. So

588
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: if they're seeing the coverage is the way they are,

589
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: they outlaw a certain coverage or try to do something

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00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: behind the scenes to get defenses out of that. I

592
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: think at this point there's just gonna be a great

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00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: counter from offenses to I don't know. Maybe I'm an

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Speaker 1: old soul. Run the ball north and south right, I mean,

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00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: it's run power. You watch teams like New England just

596
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: run power instead of white zone, and these two pound

597
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 1: linebackers they don't really know how to handle it. If

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Speaker 1: they're in that too deep shell, they're there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: room to run. It's it's not necessarily pretty, it's not

600
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: necessarily what the NFL wants, but that can be a

601
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: recipe for success. Even Detroit hasn't been winning games, but

602
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: they were running power there the first three or four weeks,

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Speaker 1: just two hundred two fifty yard yards a game because

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Speaker 1: seems couldn't handle it, you know, man on a man,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, wide zone. I think defensive linemen

606
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: are more responsible for gaps, so they're just kind of

607
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: shimmying down the line and just kind of trying to

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00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: muddy it up. But if it's straight north and south, um,

609
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: you gotta get off a block. It's old school, and

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00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: I think a lot of defensive linement just can't really

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Speaker 1: do it. And you're sitting back with those two safeties

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Speaker 1: might as well. Yeah, it is interesting that I saw

613
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Speaker 1: a stat that last week week six eight teams one

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Speaker 1: games when the quarterback had under two hundred yards path.

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00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: You know, my Jets were one of them, because that

616
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: Breece Hall just pounded away, hammered away at the Packers. Um,

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Speaker 1: and like these are quarterbacks you don't totally have to respect, right,

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Speaker 1: so you don't even really need the too high just

619
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Speaker 1: don't want to give up the big place in the

620
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Speaker 1: quick touchdowns. It's like, you know, Zack Wilson, he's not

621
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Speaker 1: really beating you over the top, although they you have speed,

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Speaker 1: and it's like, I think, I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: it's a tough watch, but I mean, did you watch

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Speaker 1: any of the Chargers Broncos Monday, Herbert? I think through

625
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: fifty seven passes and had a total of two or

626
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Speaker 1: thirty yards or something. Okay with the fifteen play seventy

627
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: five yard drive, but if you want to eat up

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Speaker 1: ten minutes, br guests that they're gonna say, and um,

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Speaker 1: it's not as visually appealing, you're right, and it just isn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna change. It is a

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Speaker 1: cyclical league, though, so I'd imagine once these teams start

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Speaker 1: hammered away with backs and old school football, maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: they just collectively get defenses out of this slow Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it didn't wasn't like they're like only a handful of

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Speaker 1: He's like, nobody drafts fullbacks ever, And of course we'll

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Speaker 1: guess who the Patriots. You know, they're running fullbacks out there, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what are these guys doing? Patriots slowly starting to get

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Speaker 1: their act together with the third string quarterback any Tyler Dunne.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on the latest book. I mean your tireless dude,

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Speaker 1: you're everywhere. And um, who you got in the super

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Speaker 1: Bowl as of right now, not your preseason pick, but

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Speaker 1: like six weeks in. I'm glad you phrased it that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to recite my super Bowl pick. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I got, I got a reputation to protect her, Jason,

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Speaker 1: since you okay, all right, here's one for you. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's go Buffalo. I mean, Buffalo looks unstoppable right now.

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Speaker 1: I think von Miller is that missing piece that they

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Speaker 1: needed to to get after Patt. We saw it. I

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Speaker 1: mean he ended the last three drives. Um, Buffalo and Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go with Kevin Vikings. Yes, I love what

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Speaker 1: he's building and I think that they've been winning the

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Speaker 1: games that Mike Zimmer would find a way to lose.

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, the older I get, the

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Speaker 1: Zimmer created in Minnesota was toxic and so many ways. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and Kevin O'Connell has completely flipped a Guys want to

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Speaker 1: play for him. They get they want to wake up

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Speaker 1: they've got a core of talent. That comes down to

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins. I know, but I feel like if they

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Speaker 1: can avoid injuries to that core there San Francisco, right,

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Speaker 1: they stay healthy, they're in the mix too. Obviously, there's

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Speaker 1: a path for Minnesota to give to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about it. We'll see about that defense. But

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Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I don't hate to end the

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Speaker 1: games down on Monday night. So Kirk Cousins should be fine.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Tyler Dunn, thanks again, man, and uh we'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you soon. Thanks so much, Jason. Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: from Tyler Dunn. Pick up his book on tight end.

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Speaker 1: I whatder if you talked about any Jets tight ends.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and guess no. Unfortunately, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the best bet Thursday night Football. It's

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Speaker 1: better than the last two weeks. I'll tell you that much.

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Speaker 1: Saints at Arizona. The Cardinals are reeling. I bet the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals against Seattle and lost. I faded the Saints last

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Speaker 1: week with the Bengals in one. Folks, this line movement

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Speaker 1: has been a little weird. It was on Arizona all

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Speaker 1: week and then Tuesday it went down to one or

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Speaker 1: pick them, and I'm like, huh, well, guess what happened Wednesday?

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Speaker 1: The injury report comes out and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it's back to Arizona two and a half. Why is

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Speaker 1: that Michael Thomas will not play, Jarvis Landry will not

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Speaker 1: play guard, Andrew's Pete will not play tight end? Troutman Nope,

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Speaker 1: And I think most importantly, mars Shawn Lattimore, their cornerback

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Speaker 1: who the backup got cooked by Jamaar Chase on the

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Speaker 1: game winner, will not play that is significant. All those guys,

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Speaker 1: I think they're definitely worth two points. At least. Arizona

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Speaker 1: will be without Hollywood Brown with the foot injury. He's

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Speaker 1: out for a while. Sounds like James Conner. They listed

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Speaker 1: him as questionable. But what really hurts is if Rodney

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Speaker 1: Hudson does not play, and it looks like he's gonna

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Speaker 1: be ruled out as well as Justin Pugh. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this on cow Hurt Show. Small quarterback, you need a

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Speaker 1: good center. Hudson was great. When he's out, you can

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Speaker 1: get pressure up the middle and it's tough for the

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Speaker 1: small quarterback to see over the line. Not only is

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Speaker 1: Hudson out, but pew right next to him has been out.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the Pro Football Focus grades,

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Speaker 1: their tackles have been okay, but the guard play has

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Speaker 1: been atrocious and the center backup center has got destroyed.

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Speaker 1: Last week against Seattle, it's like the Seahawks don't usually

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Speaker 1: sat quarterbacks five times. What the hell is going on? Well,

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Speaker 1: it's the offensive line, dummy. But there is good news.

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Speaker 1: The Saints are equally has beat up. And I know

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna like this because nobody wants to bet

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Speaker 1: on this team. It's frustrating to back Kingsbury, the worst

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Speaker 1: first quarter offense in the league. And I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: ahead and take Arizona to win and cover at home.

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Speaker 1: Medium sized play, not not the smallest play, but I

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Speaker 1: have some confidence Arizona here now. It doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: it's Dalton or Winston. Sounds like it'll be Dalton. I

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Speaker 1: know Arizona has been bad at home and good on

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Speaker 1: the road. Thursday Night has been a house of horrors

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Speaker 1: for Arizona. I have in my notes here. I believe

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Speaker 1: Arizona on Thursday Night football has not his O and

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Speaker 1: six oh lot. Sorry. They've lost their last five Thursday

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Speaker 1: Night football games. And the last one that I remember

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Speaker 1: was the game against the Packers when there was no

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams and Arizona was undefeated and Aaron Rodgers beat

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Speaker 1: him and it was kind of brutal, kinda very disappointing.

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Speaker 1: I like Arizona in this one. I'm sorry. Listen, the

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Speaker 1: NFC West is not what we thought it would be. Right,

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Speaker 1: The Rams are not good, the forty Niners are beat

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Speaker 1: the hell up. Um, I'm spacing on the other Seattle obviously,

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Speaker 1: uh at Arizona, like Arizona might be in last place.

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Speaker 1: It and four, but there one game back. That's it.

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Speaker 1: Reality is gonna hit Seattle. I'm just telling you, guys,

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Speaker 1: now you can get excited about Gino Spence five game

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Speaker 1: sample size, go for it. Reality will set in there.

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Speaker 1: They will finish third or fourth. The question is can

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Speaker 1: Arizona pass the Rams? And I'm just gonna remind you

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Speaker 1: the Rams have the toughest schedule in the league remaining.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely brutal, and it's already been brutal. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I look at this, I think

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Speaker 1: Arizona wins. I don't have anything on the total. The

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Speaker 1: total has gone down from forty three and a half

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Speaker 1: prime time unders. You know they've been smashing big time

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Speaker 1: this season. Um, I would I would lean to the under,

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Speaker 1: but I'll go Arizona winning twenty three seventeen, Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: winning all right back tomorrow with a gambling Friday. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: enjoy Are there any hoops games tonight? I'm sure there are.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the NFL, Enjoy the Major League Baseball. It's a

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Speaker 1: great month for sports. It's not as good as novemberdo

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Speaker 1: members right around the corner where they'll be World Cup,

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Speaker 1: college basketball, meaningful college football games. I can't wait. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you tomorrow. H