WEBVTT - The Dynamics Are Not the Same

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio at the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. Armstrong

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<v Speaker 1>and Getty. And now, here's Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Doe testified before a Cornell panel. According to a

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<v Speaker 2>transcript of that testimony obtained by ABC News, Jane Doe

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<v Speaker 2>was unequivocal. I was prostituted and I was held up

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<v Speaker 2>like bait for a gaggle of men. She said I

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<v Speaker 2>remember a dark room with shadows of men in and

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<v Speaker 2>out constantly, and I remember feeling like there was a

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<v Speaker 2>joke and I was not in on it. She ended

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<v Speaker 2>her testimony with a plea to her school. Please make

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<v Speaker 2>it safer for those I love and the community at large.

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<v Speaker 2>Remove those boys from campus.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>So in my opinion, and forgive me if this is provocative,

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<v Speaker 3>the media and politicians are now doing to this story

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<v Speaker 3>what those boys did to that young woman. Went way

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<v Speaker 3>too far.

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<v Speaker 1>Exploited.

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<v Speaker 3>They're exploiting it. They're checking their morality at the door.

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<v Speaker 3>They're absolutely not interested in answering the questions that really matter.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has become ugly.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a breaking news on this. That I hadn't seen.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you want that or do you want to get.

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<v Speaker 1>Through some other stuff first? Yeah, go ahead. Why not?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So we had the story yesterday that one of the

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<v Speaker 4>frat brothers has now said that he was victimized. More

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<v Speaker 4>details on that are out. Because he was drunk. And

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<v Speaker 4>he says he was taken advantage of. The frat brother

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<v Speaker 4>at the center of the Cornell 7 gang rape allegations,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the New York Post, claimed to campus officials

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<v Speaker 4>that the accuser sodomized him. I think we all know

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<v Speaker 4>what that probably was and complained. Nobody cared. He was

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<v Speaker 4>a sex assault survivor. An explosive new report says.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that actually is going down a road that

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to, uh, to talk about, uh, in

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of minutes, but.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, and then I'm going to get to maybe

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<v Speaker 4>eventually this piece in the free press by this woman, uh,

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<v Speaker 4>who's saying, yeah, the sexual revolution maybe has reached its

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<v Speaker 4>logical endpoint in this Cornell seven story. And we need

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<v Speaker 4>to rethink this whole thing. And she goes through her

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<v Speaker 4>history of it. She's roughly our age and how, you know, the, well, I'll,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll read it a little bit later, but basically the

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<v Speaker 4>idea that like women and men are the same and

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<v Speaker 4>we can act exactly the same and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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<v Speaker 4>blah has not worked out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There's a lot to this. You want to do

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<v Speaker 1>that next segment? I would love to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, back to my exploiting thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like, for instance, last week AOC used a

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<v Speaker 3>town hall appearance to pour kerosene on the flames of outrage.

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<v Speaker 3>Going well beyond Ms. Doe's civil complaint, AOC said, and

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<v Speaker 3>I quote, seven men drugged and gang raped a young

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<v Speaker 3>woman after they lured her into a frat house, drugged

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<v Speaker 3>her with ketamine, and took turns gang raping her for

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<v Speaker 3>seven hours.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was unfortunate because that is full of stuff

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<v Speaker 4>that's not true.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's unfortunate. Some of the stuff people are saying you

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<v Speaker 4>can at least.

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<v Speaker 4>It's somewhat true or possibly true. This is absolutely not true.

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<v Speaker 4>Her saying she was lured there and drugged is just

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<v Speaker 4>not true.

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<v Speaker 3>And my point is that people are now using it

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<v Speaker 3>for their own purposes as opposed to while they pretend

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<v Speaker 3>to seek justice for this young woman. Surprisingly, the New

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<v Speaker 3>York Times delivered a pretty nuanced account describing that Doe

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<v Speaker 3>came to describe the encounter as rape only after people

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<v Speaker 3>on campus began joking about it and talking about a

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<v Speaker 3>sophomore slut. And after she was disinvited from the fraternity's

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<v Speaker 3>Halloween party, according to the frat, for her own good.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So, the point that I wanted to get to is

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<v Speaker 3>actually coming up right here. So, Cornell's president is... running

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<v Speaker 3>for his life in front of a mob of angry

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<v Speaker 3>young student activists who, if they're not yelling about this,

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<v Speaker 3>are yelling about Palestine or capitalism or something or other.

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<v Speaker 3>The angry mob seems to be a permanent fixture on

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<v Speaker 3>college campuses. Oh, I'm sorry, trans thing, transphobia, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you're not busy studying or learning anything, so you've

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<v Speaker 4>got plenty of free time.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, um.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's some great, great analysis by Ira Stoll in

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<v Speaker 3>The Free Beacon. He's talking about the president and his

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<v Speaker 3>statement and his folksy video message to the kids, because

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<v Speaker 3>in writing doesn't work anymore, I guess. But he talks

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<v Speaker 3>about how Kotlikoff, who's the president of the university.

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<v Speaker 3>Reached for the libertarian toolkit, informed consent, body autonomy, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet for the sordid details of this case, while those

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<v Speaker 3>were issues, it's not clear that they were the only ones,

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<v Speaker 3>he writes. You could make a case that one way

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<v Speaker 3>American elite higher education arrives at this juncture was that

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<v Speaker 3>there was too much emphasis on informed consent and body

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<v Speaker 3>autonomy and not enough emphasis on the other moral frameworks

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<v Speaker 3>that might constrain desire.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's his point.

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<v Speaker 3>If Jane Doe had offered informed, advanced consent to a

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<v Speaker 3>six-hour-long sexual encounter with seven different partners fueled by ketamine, liquor,

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<v Speaker 3>and marijuana, would that render it virtuous or totally unobjectionable?

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<v Speaker 3>These are questions Western culture and traditional religions offer answers to,

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<v Speaker 3>or at least ways of thinking rigorously about. A well-managed

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<v Speaker 3>educational institution might plausibly seek to challenge students by educating

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<v Speaker 3>them on these topics, or at least exposing them to

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<v Speaker 3>the perspectives.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I thought was a good point.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I think on this whole story, I feel like every...

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<v Speaker 4>comment needs to be prefaced with, are we talking about

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<v Speaker 4>the legal case or are we talking about what's right

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<v Speaker 4>or wrong or moral?

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they're very different things.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So keep with that, Ryder. I would not be happy.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, I wouldn't be happy if one of my kids

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<v Speaker 4>turned out to be a rapist, but I also wouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>be happy if my son in college walks in on

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<v Speaker 4>a almost passed out chick who other guys are having

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<v Speaker 4>sex with and says, hey, join us. And joined in.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be happy about that either. So, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Story from the New York Post, more than a thousand

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<v Speaker 3>furious protesters. And I've seen the video, I've seen the pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>They were screeching angrily and holding up impassioned placards. We

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<v Speaker 3>stand with survivors. Prison sentences, not topic sentences. Stop rape culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Cornell will expel protesters but not rapists, etc. More than

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<v Speaker 3>1,000 furious protesters marched on Cornell's university campus Monday in

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<v Speaker 3>support of the woman allegedly gang-raped, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>etc.

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<v Speaker 3>demanded the resignation of the school's president. We are all

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<v Speaker 3>Jane Doe, whatever that means. Alcohol is not consent. Support survivors.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to students. Some called for outright violence against the

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<v Speaker 3>accused Cornell's seven frat brothers.

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<v Speaker 6>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Various speakers had demands that all of Cornell's fraternities be

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<v Speaker 3>kicked off campus, and there's a big movement in the statehouse.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. The governor is insisting that the legislature change

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<v Speaker 3>the consent laws in New York specifically that if you

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<v Speaker 3>willingly consume alcohol... And then you say, yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of drunk, so I couldn't give consent, so this

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<v Speaker 3>is rape. That people, I'm guessing only men, can be

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<v Speaker 3>convicted on that basis.

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<v Speaker 4>Completely unworkable in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. It's a nightmare of injustice.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine every regretful affair after a drink or

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<v Speaker 3>more or a hit on a pot pipe or whatever, vape,

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be rape, probably only in one direction.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only is it unworkable, legal and socially, it infantilizes

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<v Speaker 3>women in a way that is incredibly dangerous. you are

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<v Speaker 3>doing the opposite. And I'm not looking for a pat

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<v Speaker 3>on the back here. I'm just illustrating the point. You're

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<v Speaker 3>doing the opposite of what I tried to teach my daughters,

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<v Speaker 3>which was these situations are dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad things happen.

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<v Speaker 3>If you are one step down the road into this situation,

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<v Speaker 3>you are heading for danger. Don't take that second step.

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<v Speaker 3>This says the opposite. You are such an innocent babe,

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<v Speaker 3>subject to the whims of the predator males. Even if

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<v Speaker 3>you willingly have a couple of beers and are laughing

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<v Speaker 3>and singing along with the country song, and then you

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<v Speaker 3>regret banging some cowboy you meet at the bar, he's

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<v Speaker 3>a rapist.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's horrible. Horrible. And one more aspect of

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<v Speaker 1>this I wanted to squeeze in. Oh, well, two.

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<v Speaker 6>Um.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of mob, you know, the angry mob, once the

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<v Speaker 3>mob gets angry and starts yelling, they have no interest

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<v Speaker 3>in fact. And here's just a sample of what it's

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<v Speaker 3>like in Cornell. This is an editorial that was printed

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<v Speaker 3>in the Wall Street Journal by a student, Jared Lederman.

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<v Speaker 3>It came out the same day, as I recall, that

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<v Speaker 3>this story broke. And I initially thought it was related.

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<v Speaker 1>It was unrelated.

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<v Speaker 3>It was submitted the night before, and they decided to

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<v Speaker 3>print it. He's talking about he'd published an essay entitled

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<v Speaker 3>Men in Women Were Not Created Equal. It argued that

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<v Speaker 3>while men and women have equal worth, they're not identical,

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<v Speaker 3>and that Americans treat traditional sex roles with unreasonable disdain.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's some value in looking at traditional sex roles

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<v Speaker 3>and examining why they were a good idea for a

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<v Speaker 3>very long time, blah, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 4>Going to fit into the free press piece the woman

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<v Speaker 4>wrote very much so.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>So he thought he'd get maybe a few dozen readers. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>within 48 hours, nearly 10,000 people had viewed the piece,

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<v Speaker 3>he writes, and I became the subject of a campus-wide controversy.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundreds of posts labeling me misogynistic and bigoted appeared on

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<v Speaker 3>Cornell's anonymous chat forums. Students publicized my campus affiliations and

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<v Speaker 3>demanded my removal. Others planned to contact potential employers and

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<v Speaker 3>damage my career.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the consequences moved offline.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, I led Pledge Education for Delta Sigma Pi,

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<v Speaker 3>a co-ed professional fraternity. My fellow leadership texted me that

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<v Speaker 3>though I was entitled to my personal views, the essay

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<v Speaker 3>conflicted with their values, and I was offered the choice

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<v Speaker 3>to take it down or resign from that professional fraternity.

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<v Speaker 3>Hours later, I was expelled from my social fraternity because

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<v Speaker 3>its leaders were concerned my beliefs would reflect poorly on

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<v Speaker 3>my brothers. On and on it goes. That is Cornell.

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<v Speaker 3>That is college campuses. So the fact that you've got

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<v Speaker 3>the angry mob howling for what they call justice and

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have any interest in the opposing point of

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<v Speaker 3>view just illustrates a point we've been talking about for

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<v Speaker 3>a long time about college campuses and monoculture. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the final, final point I wanted to get to, and

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<v Speaker 3>this was pointed out, in 2019, the university's official health authority,

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<v Speaker 3>Cornell Health, authored a guide for incoming students and current students.

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<v Speaker 3>titled Sexual Pleasure, Finding the Sweet Spot. It opens by

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<v Speaker 3>declaring that sex can make for a terrific study break.

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<v Speaker 3>Students are encouraged to explore sexual fantasies, experiment with sex toys,

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<v Speaker 3>and consider bondage and fetish gear. Exposure to pornography, Cornell

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<v Speaker 3>assured us, in their thing for students is totally normal,

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<v Speaker 3>though thankfully those interested in watching it are directed toward

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<v Speaker 3>ethical performance. porn and feminist porn awards, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>But the same year, Cornell Health distributed self-exploration, which tells

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<v Speaker 3>students they're entitled to experience all the pleasures their bodies

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<v Speaker 3>can provide, and instructs them to set aside private time

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<v Speaker 3>in pursuit of that goal, et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the gist of what I was getting to. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that today.

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<v Speaker 3>The aforementioned sexual pleasure guide directs students to a checklist

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<v Speaker 3>entitled Yes, No, Maybe So, a sexual inventory stock list,

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<v Speaker 3>a copy of which can be found on Cornell's health website.

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<v Speaker 3>The list includes sex with two people at once, sex

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<v Speaker 3>with three people at once. Sex with more than three

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<v Speaker 3>people at once, cyber sex, open sexual relationships, sex toys, blindfolding, bondage, biting, scratching, spanking,

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<v Speaker 3>and slapping for sexual pleasure, sexual clamps, and sexual activity involving.

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<v Speaker 1>Various bodily fluids.

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<v Speaker 3>Students are asked to classify these acts as yes, no,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe fantasy, or unsure. There appears to be considerably more

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<v Speaker 3>enthusiasm for helping students identify their preferred form of restraint

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<v Speaker 3>than for encouraging.

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<v Speaker 1>restraint itself.

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<v Speaker 3>So what did this sophomore do with that list which

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<v Speaker 3>your university encouraged her to think about? How about bondage?

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<v Speaker 3>How about sex toys? How about multiple partners? What do

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<v Speaker 3>you think of this stuff? Why is the university doing

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<v Speaker 3>this at all? That's the sexual atmosphere at Cornell. And

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<v Speaker 3>now this girl who allegedly was willingly participating in this,

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<v Speaker 3>regretted it afterward, it got out of hand, etc., is

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<v Speaker 3>now pretending that this came out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Please. Peace in the free press.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pretty interesting from a woman about the sexual revolution,

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<v Speaker 4>and maybe this is the natural endpoint to it, the

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<v Speaker 4>whole Cornell 7 thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And we ought to go back to the way we

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<v Speaker 1>used to.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at this stuff, the relationship between men and women.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for that and other stuff on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a very long piece in the free press.

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<v Speaker 4>It's worth a read. The Sexual Revolution Failed Jane Doe

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<v Speaker 4>by a woman named Lursa Phillips, who must be about

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<v Speaker 4>our age because she came to her sexuality in the 80s.

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<v Speaker 4>As a teenager, I watched the old frameworks we once

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<v Speaker 4>used to understand rape buckle in a post-sexual revolution world.

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<v Speaker 4>The case of the Cornell 7 feels like the logical endpoint.

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<v Speaker 6>Um.

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<v Speaker 4>And her overall point, and then I'll read a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of paragraphs, but her overall point is the freedom for

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<v Speaker 4>women to do whatever they want and be just like

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<v Speaker 4>guys has not worked out because the dynamics of males

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<v Speaker 4>versus females when it comes to sex aren't the same.

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<v Speaker 4>They just aren't. And that seems pretty obviously true. Whether

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<v Speaker 4>or not you think this incident was rape, it seems

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<v Speaker 4>clear that none of the people involved were in control.

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<v Speaker 4>This sex happened in a fuzzy gray area. Consent seems

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<v Speaker 4>to have existed in some form at some point, but

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<v Speaker 4>in the cold light of the days that followed and

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<v Speaker 4>seen through the eyes of the campus commentariat. The event

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<v Speaker 4>came to feel questionable, then wrong. As we argue over

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<v Speaker 4>who was to blame, the men, the women, the alcohol,

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<v Speaker 4>and the systems, I'm left wondering if this case is

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<v Speaker 4>a natural consequence or perhaps the logical endpoint of the

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<v Speaker 4>sexual revolution which I once considered my generation so fortunate

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<v Speaker 4>to be a part of. I grew up thinking that

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<v Speaker 4>the war for women's liberation had been won. My mother

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<v Speaker 4>had rejected the sexist images she'd gotten in her childhood

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<v Speaker 4>that girls can't, uh, had to do things like cross

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<v Speaker 4>their ankles and keep their knees together and be compliant

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<v Speaker 4>and quiet and nice. And then she goes out through,

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<v Speaker 4>we took that from getting rid of that to we

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<v Speaker 4>can do anything, anytime, whatever. And, uh, And there won't

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<v Speaker 4>be any negative results for that. The revolution taught that

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<v Speaker 4>all young women must want sexual adventure. So any woman

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<v Speaker 4>who doesn't seek it is a prude. And anyone advising

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<v Speaker 4>against it must be a misogynist jerk trying to keep

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<v Speaker 4>women in their place. Suggesting that girls should take precautions,

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<v Speaker 4>be careful how much you drink, don't go upstairs in

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<v Speaker 4>a fraternity, was preemptively victim-blaming, slut-shaming, and woman-aiding. Women should

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<v Speaker 4>be able to do what they wanted. And if anything

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<v Speaker 4>happened to us, it wasn't our fault. Teach men not

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<v Speaker 4>to rape and let women get back to taking on

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<v Speaker 4>the world. But for me, all these ideals crashed headfirst

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<v Speaker 4>in the reality before I was even halfway through ninth grade.

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<v Speaker 4>And she talks about how she was raped and completely

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<v Speaker 4>unprepared for the reality of the dynamics that can occur

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<v Speaker 4>between men and women.

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<v Speaker 1>Um, As I said, it's very, very long.

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<v Speaker 4>But the ultimate point being, it has not worked out

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<v Speaker 4>for us, she says. This whole, we're pretending to be

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<v Speaker 4>like guys, put ourselves out there however we want, it

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<v Speaker 4>is not working to our benefit.

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<v Speaker 3>And it really bothers me, the point she made about

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<v Speaker 3>if anybody says, hey, well, it just says essentially what

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<v Speaker 3>she just did. You're a misogynist, you're a woman hater,

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<v Speaker 3>you're undermining your fellow women, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's, again, the consensus trap.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder if this will be an end point. of

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<v Speaker 4>the sexual revolution. We shall see.

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 7>Nearly 80,000 cans of 7-Up Tropical Zero Sugar have been

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<v Speaker 7>recalled because they mistakenly contain full sugar soda. This news

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<v Speaker 7>first reported by a five-year-old who had climbed the Empire

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<v Speaker 7>State Building.

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<v Speaker 4>I just came across a depressing political note from a

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<v Speaker 4>foreign land. This is out of France. So I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know if you know Marine Le Pen's act. She's the hardcore,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we got to do something about our immigration problem.

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<v Speaker 4>right-winger that has been floating around in French politics like

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<v Speaker 4>her dad did for many, many years. But she might

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<v Speaker 4>actually win. She's leading in the polls. She might be

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<v Speaker 4>the next leader of France. Anyway, this is about how

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<v Speaker 4>populism is going to kill Western civilization, that everybody's into

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<v Speaker 4>it now. It's just such an easy way to get elected.

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<v Speaker 4>Trump with his $ 5, 000 checks.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the conservative?

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to hand out $ 5, 000 checks to everybody. Marine

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<v Speaker 4>Le Pen wants to lower the retirement age to 60. Remember,

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<v Speaker 4>Macron tried to move it from 62 up to 64

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<v Speaker 4>and got politically killed for it. She wants to make

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<v Speaker 4>it 60, which is her version of $ 5, 000 checks.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, they're going to expand the socialist state? That's the conservative.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Doomed. Populism is going to kill us all. Wow!

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy cow.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I found that very depressing. You brought me down, too.

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<v Speaker 1>You brought everybody down. You happy? You pleased with yourself?

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of. Chief Dark Cloud.

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<v Speaker 4>I've walked into parties where people are having a good time,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought, I'll take care of this.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll make sure we're good at this. Oh, boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know who Shelby Steele is? He came from

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago's South Side. Tough place, tough upbringing. He became a

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<v Speaker 3>fairly militant guy, as he says, full of black rage

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<v Speaker 3>over the inequality he saw. He now happens to be

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<v Speaker 3>an author, a professor, and a senior fellow at the

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<v Speaker 3>Hoover Institution. He is also the featured narrator in a

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<v Speaker 3>new documentary called White Guilt, which he produced with his son, Eli.

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<v Speaker 3>I have not actually heard this trailer. I read about

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<v Speaker 3>the movie, and it's super great. What a smart message

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<v Speaker 3>it has, which we'll get to in a moment or two,

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<v Speaker 3>but let's enjoy the trailer together.

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<v Speaker 1>And see what we think.

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<v Speaker 6>How is it that white guilt has come to grant

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<v Speaker 6>moral legitimacy to the enemies of the Western world?

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<v Speaker 1>White guilt is a terror of being seen as a racist.

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<v Speaker 6>It doesn't have anything to do with actual feelings of guilt. Hamas,

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<v Speaker 6>the prototype of the anti-Western man.

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas does brutal, brutal things.

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<v Speaker 6>Avenge modernity. I first wrote about white guilt in the 1980s,

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<v Speaker 6>and I have watched it grow in America and across

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<v Speaker 6>the modern world. White supremacy was fast becoming white guilt.

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<v Speaker 1>The white man needs the Negro to free him.

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<v Speaker 4>From his guilt.

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<v Speaker 6>White guilt. President McCabe agreed to every one of our demands.

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<v Speaker 6>He wanted to reclaim his innocence. I was full of

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<v Speaker 6>black rage. As a black militant, I embraced the liberators

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<v Speaker 6>of the so-called third world. Blacks sit at the bottom

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<v Speaker 6>of nearly every meaningful statistic.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I feel that's by design.

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<v Speaker 6>Black Lives Matter engineered one of the most successful grits,

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<v Speaker 6>$ 82. 9 billion. My sin was challenging the systemic racism narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>I've lost two years of my income because I'm white.

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<v Speaker 4>No one should ever learn at the age of 13

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<v Speaker 4>that the color of their skin carries more weight. I

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<v Speaker 4>chose freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of playing about politics, next week I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>be blacklisted.

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<v Speaker 6>Britain looked away for years while Pakistani gangs raped hundreds

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<v Speaker 6>of white girls.

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<v Speaker 1>To avoid being called racist.

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<v Speaker 3>Why does shit only fight against injustice if white people

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<v Speaker 3>are the issue?

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<v Speaker 1>Whites have been shrunken. White people are just racist.

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<v Speaker 6>Done the slow suicide of the west should the civilization

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<v Speaker 6>that made the individual possible finally collapse the backward man

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<v Speaker 6>will still be congratulating himself before the darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Falls on him too.

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<v Speaker 6>People have always asked me shelby what's the answer to

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<v Speaker 6>this evil of white guilt be an american.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Shelby Steele. I have for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>So the point, in case it wasn't clear, and Eli,

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<v Speaker 3>his son, says, I made this film because white guilt

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<v Speaker 3>is the force behind so much of what is transforming

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<v Speaker 3>and breaking America, and almost no one will name it.

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<v Speaker 3>This film names this evil, and I hope it will

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<v Speaker 3>give Americans the courage to embrace the freedom necessary to

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<v Speaker 3>defeat it. And, you know, they mentioned that Shelby Steele,

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<v Speaker 3>the elder Mr. Steele, had an interracial marriage, and there

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<v Speaker 3>are several interracial relationships in his family. But he says,

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<v Speaker 3>the first thing about his film you should know is

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<v Speaker 3>it's not what you think about. The film isn't really

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<v Speaker 3>about guilt at all, least of all guilt about slavery

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<v Speaker 3>or other sins against blacks, as he mentioned in the trailer.

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<v Speaker 3>White guilt is just the terror of being seen as racist.

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<v Speaker 3>And getting rid of white guilt turns out to have

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with changes that would improve the lives

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<v Speaker 3>of those whom whites deem oppressed. Instead, it's about using

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<v Speaker 3>claims of victimhood for power. White guilt has even been

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<v Speaker 3>grafted onto the conflict in Gaza where Palestinians have become

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<v Speaker 3>the slaves and Israelis the evil American slave owners. And

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<v Speaker 3>he says what's holding black people back isn't the legacy

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<v Speaker 3>of the past. It's the welfare state and the never-ending

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<v Speaker 3>message of helplessness, which he despises. But I like him just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that whole victim oppressor thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The only reason it works in the U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>Is because of white guilt about slavery and being hammered

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<v Speaker 3>with that over and over again. So why would you grant, like,

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<v Speaker 3>Islamists and Marxists the keys to the institutions of power?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you feel bad about slavery? How does that make

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<v Speaker 1>any sense?

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, this is available... Oh, gosh, I meant to

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<v Speaker 3>have this at the ready. It's on Amazon Prime, Apple TV...

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<v Speaker 3>I happen to have opened whiteguiltfilm.com, where you can watch

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<v Speaker 3>the trailer, watch the actual documentary, or I just opened

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<v Speaker 3>it to remind myself to watch it later.

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<v Speaker 1>But whiteguiltfilm.com. Anyway, good for Shelby Steele.

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<v Speaker 5>Looking over some of our texts... You know, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 5>I got one more thought. You know how the activists

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<v Speaker 5>always say, never let a crisis go to waste? I'll

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<v Speaker 5>bet a lot of you are familiar with this dynamic

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<v Speaker 5>in unhealthy personal relationships.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, that word is relationships. Never let guilt go to waste.

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<v Speaker 3>If somebody feels guilty about something, what can you do?

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<v Speaker 3>You exploit that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen that dynamic in families, so it certainly could happen,

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose, on a larger scale.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>It gives you power, and you can drive with that

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<v Speaker 3>power and drive and drive. And if the person stands

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<v Speaker 3>up and says, this isn't helping black people, this is Marxism,

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<v Speaker 3>then they play on your guilt again and drive you

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<v Speaker 3>backwards even further.

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<v Speaker 4>So I told this story earlier in the show. I

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<v Speaker 4>want to tell it again in case you haven't heard it.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was shocking. My son and I both

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<v Speaker 4>were sitting in my Cybertruck last night with our mouths open.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had a bad day with lawyers. That's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Wrung into the stick. And unhappy about all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 4>And we're sitting in the parking lot before Boy Scouts.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just told my son, I'm in a really

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<v Speaker 4>bad mood.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, like, what kind of bad mood?

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, like, I want to kill someone bad mood.

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<v Speaker 4>And Grok in my Tesla said, oh, that sounds intense.

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:17.030
<v Speaker 4>Can I help you with that? So Grok exists in

0:26:17.090 --> 0:26:21.389
<v Speaker 4>Tesla vehicles. You summon it by saying, hey, Grok. And

0:26:21.410 --> 0:26:23.109
<v Speaker 4>then she says, what can I help you with? And

0:26:23.130 --> 0:26:26.850
<v Speaker 4>then you say, turn up the air conditioner or take

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<v Speaker 4>me to Target or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is President Lincoln's Secretary of Agriculture?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is the drummer in the Monkees? Or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>And Grok answers the question. But you're supposed to summon

0:26:38.220 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 4>it by saying, hey, Grok. That's the way it works.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the way they teach you when you get the

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<v Speaker 4>vehicle and download the software. But it turns out, Grok

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<v Speaker 4>apparently is listening for certain phrases. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>what all the phrases are, but I'm going to kill

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<v Speaker 4>somebody was one of the phrases that made it jump

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<v Speaker 4>in and say, oh, that sounds intense.

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on there? What is that list of phrases?

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<v Speaker 4>What are the phrases that AI will start to engage

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<v Speaker 4>you because it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to what? Intervene?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, obviously thinking I'm seriously, which obviously I was not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an expression.

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<v Speaker 4>Lots of people use it all the time. I find

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<v Speaker 4>that highly disturbing.

0:27:25.190 --> 0:27:26.450
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's an offshoot.

0:27:26.510 --> 0:27:30.660
<v Speaker 3>It's obviously a result of the AI companies being very,

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<v Speaker 3>very frightened of some of the lawsuits that have come along.

0:27:33.380 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>It should have called somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>You should have told somebody they were murderous or suicidal

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<v Speaker 3>or psychotic or whatever. Because Grok is Elon's baby, and

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<v Speaker 3>that's the least politically correct. Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>If Grok's doing that, guarantee Claude and ChatGPT are doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, and Google. How about Google's Gemini?

0:27:54.980 --> 0:27:55.580
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, give me a break.

0:27:56.020 --> 0:28:01.050
<v Speaker 3>I can so easily picture that list of phrases on Gemini, including,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we should reopen the schools during COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, wait a minute.

0:28:06.490 --> 0:28:10.530
<v Speaker 3>That person is practically a murderer, according to the authorities now,

0:28:10.910 --> 0:28:13.170
<v Speaker 3>saying we should open schools. You're calling for the mass

0:28:13.230 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 3>death of children. So I better report that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I wonder. And we're being listened to and surveilled

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. I know.

0:28:21.859 --> 0:28:23.949
<v Speaker 4>We got a text from somebody younger saying, you are

0:28:23.990 --> 0:28:26.530
<v Speaker 4>being listened to all the time. You're surrounded by devices

0:28:26.570 --> 0:28:28.350
<v Speaker 4>that can listen to you. You think they're not listening

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<v Speaker 4>to you?

0:28:28.970 --> 0:28:31.580
<v Speaker 1>Get used to it. It's here. It's already here. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think.

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.300
<v Speaker 4>Grok was probably listening to me in my Cybertruck. All

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.940
<v Speaker 4>my conversations that I have with anybody, whether it's my

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.450
<v Speaker 4>kids or any other adult or whoever, everything I'm talking about,

0:28:43.570 --> 0:28:44.630
<v Speaker 4>Grok is listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that troubling.

0:28:47.130 --> 0:28:50.530
<v Speaker 4>Is it possible to unplug it or pause it or

0:28:50.610 --> 0:28:54.030
<v Speaker 4>whatever when I have conversations that I'd rather no one

0:28:54.050 --> 0:28:54.670
<v Speaker 4>was listening to?

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the intriguing part to me is, I mean, obviously

0:28:59.610 --> 0:29:02.729
<v Speaker 3>it's quote-unquote listening if it can recognize the phrase, hey, grok.

0:29:03.170 --> 0:29:06.330
<v Speaker 3>But I think we all pictured it listening like a dog.

0:29:06.750 --> 0:29:08.530
<v Speaker 3>You got friends over in your living room and you're

0:29:08.570 --> 0:29:12.100
<v Speaker 3>talking and your dog's sitting there. And up until the

0:29:12.140 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 3>moment you say, bachelor, your dog is not really paying attention.

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.580
<v Speaker 1>Or treat or walk or something. Exactly.

0:29:18.660 --> 0:29:23.020
<v Speaker 3>But if it responds, I mean, if you say... I'm

0:29:23.060 --> 0:29:25.400
<v Speaker 3>thinking you're going heavily into oil futures and your.

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Dog says, wolf, wolf. I mean, you got to ask,

0:29:29.340 --> 0:29:30.850
<v Speaker 1>all right, what's going on there?

0:29:32.390 --> 0:29:34.610
<v Speaker 3>Why did Grok react? Well, I think I know why.

0:29:34.670 --> 0:29:37.150
<v Speaker 3>But again, the question is, what's that list of phrases?

0:29:38.710 --> 0:29:38.990
<v Speaker 6>Right.

0:29:39.030 --> 0:29:39.870
<v Speaker 1>And what do you think?

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to do grok i mean if i was

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:47.460
<v Speaker 4>somebody who was serious like saying that seriously what would

0:29:47.500 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 4>grok do intervene well is it alerting.

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:56.770
<v Speaker 1>Someone now did it keep track of that for someone

0:29:56.830 --> 0:29:59.750
<v Speaker 1>somewhere Right. How does it not?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, what would be the point of jumping into

0:30:01.710 --> 0:30:04.970
<v Speaker 4>that conversation if it's not alerting someone or keeping track

0:30:05.020 --> 0:30:05.300
<v Speaker 4>of that?

0:30:06.140 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, if only for legal purposes.

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna call my lawyer. Gonna means going to.

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 3>So if Judy says, hey, the Joneses want to have

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.500
<v Speaker 3>dinner tomorrow night, and I say, I'd rather be dead.

0:30:23.370 --> 0:30:25.230
<v Speaker 1>Right, exactly. That was the sort of way I was

0:30:25.270 --> 0:30:26.170
<v Speaker 1>saying it. Right.

0:30:26.250 --> 0:30:30.060
<v Speaker 3>Is ChatGPT going to say, hey, buddy, life is worth

0:30:30.140 --> 0:30:31.020
<v Speaker 3>hanging on to.

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Not if I have to eat with the Joneses. I

0:30:34.660 --> 0:30:40.860
<v Speaker 1>would tell it. You don't know the Joneses. Kill me now.

0:30:44.090 --> 0:30:50.830
<v Speaker 4>Between her cooking and his long-winded stories. Or is Grok

0:30:50.850 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 4>going to say, I've summoned a wellness check. Please stay

0:30:55.060 --> 0:30:55.580
<v Speaker 4>where you are.

0:30:56.300 --> 0:30:57.220
<v Speaker 1>Right, right.

0:30:58.140 --> 0:31:00.790
<v Speaker 3>What we were talking about earlier, I mean, if you

0:31:00.850 --> 0:31:04.690
<v Speaker 3>said the right thing, would Grok contact the cops and

0:31:04.730 --> 0:31:07.550
<v Speaker 3>they surround your car, red and blue lights flashing and

0:31:07.650 --> 0:31:08.570
<v Speaker 3>guns drawn?

0:31:08.590 --> 0:31:14.410
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's hard to imagine that it's not listening for

0:31:14.490 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 4>more than just that. Well, it's impossible to imagine it's

0:31:17.580 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 4>not listening for more than just that one phrase. And so, yeah,

0:31:19.980 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 4>if it was, and I know some of you people

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:26.350
<v Speaker 4>are okay with any level of surveillance that will stop crime.

0:31:26.710 --> 0:31:29.230
<v Speaker 4>I'm not because of what it leads to. But if

0:31:29.250 --> 0:31:31.410
<v Speaker 4>you had somebody saying, yeah, I think if I plant

0:31:31.450 --> 0:31:33.270
<v Speaker 4>the bomb at the corner of the school, I can

0:31:33.310 --> 0:31:34.070
<v Speaker 4>kill the most people.

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:38.060
<v Speaker 1>Is Grok going to call the police or something? Grim,

0:31:38.100 --> 0:31:39.020
<v Speaker 1>but great example.

0:31:39.060 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.260
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And should it? Do we want it to? Some

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:47.130
<v Speaker 1>of you would. I don't. I don't want it listening.

0:31:47.150 --> 0:31:47.770
<v Speaker 4>Right.

0:31:47.830 --> 0:31:48.070
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:31:48.580 --> 0:31:51.730
<v Speaker 1>Right, right, right. Control your soul's desire for freedom.

0:31:51.930 --> 0:31:54.130
<v Speaker 4>Hey, Tesla drivers or anybody else who's driving a car

0:31:54.150 --> 0:31:56.390
<v Speaker 4>that has some sort of that.

0:31:55.990 --> 0:31:59.190
<v Speaker 1>In it, it's listening. Right, right.

0:31:59.550 --> 0:32:00.930
<v Speaker 3>You got to give it a try. I mean, this

0:32:00.990 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 3>is an opportunity for a scientific experiment. You got to

0:32:03.540 --> 0:32:05.580
<v Speaker 3>get in your car and say, man, I'd like to

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:10.140
<v Speaker 3>violently overthrow the United States government. And then, boy, howdy,

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 3>I'd love to sex up a sheep and just go through...

0:32:13.810 --> 0:32:16.270
<v Speaker 3>You know, a list of whatever you can think of.

0:32:16.330 --> 0:32:18.370
<v Speaker 3>What color sheep would you like, Grok says to me.

0:32:19.050 --> 0:32:22.970
<v Speaker 1>Oh, boy. There are a number of different breeds of sheep.

0:32:24.110 --> 0:32:29.060
<v Speaker 1>What's your preference? Would you like a black sheep? Oh, boy.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Blonde would be nice, but, you know, is there such

0:32:33.320 --> 0:32:33.580
<v Speaker 1>a thing?

0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 4>I don't think there's a blonde sheep, no.

0:32:36.300 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's like a silvery blonde like Marilyn Monroe, platinum blonde. Right.

0:32:41.570 --> 0:32:44.410
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, this has gone too far. Clearly, we're off

0:32:44.450 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>the rails. We will finish strong next. Armstrong and Getty.

0:32:53.780 --> 0:32:57.670
<v Speaker 3>This is kind of a charming note from Shelby Steele's documentary,

0:32:57.770 --> 0:33:00.110
<v Speaker 3>White Guilt. When he was a young radical in 1970,

0:33:00.110 --> 0:33:02.390
<v Speaker 3>he and his wife traveled to Africa to see members

0:33:02.430 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 3>of the Black Panthers who were living in exile in Algiers.

0:33:05.780 --> 0:33:07.710
<v Speaker 3>And he was totally starstruck because he was in that

0:33:07.770 --> 0:33:11.410
<v Speaker 3>political space at the time. In the film, Steele recalls, quote,

0:33:11.630 --> 0:33:14.290
<v Speaker 3>I was ready to talk revolution with these men making history,

0:33:14.530 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 3>but the most striking thing was their homesickness. They wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to know if Motown had put out some new records.

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<v Speaker 3>They missed America intensely.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Check your clock, it's time to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and Joe, they've got to go.

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<v Speaker 6>And if they don't get canned, they'll be back tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's your host for Final Thoughts, Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to give my final thought to Shelby Steele

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<v Speaker 3>as well, but let's start with Michelangelo in the control room.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm going to go home and smash everything I

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<v Speaker 3>think might be listening to me.

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<v Speaker 1>All that's going to be left is like a sofa

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<v Speaker 1>in an empty room. There you go. My new smart sofa,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hooked up to the internet. Jack, a final thought? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you're following me in baseball, if

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<v Speaker 1>you need a team to root for.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking the Tampa Bay Rays, who now have a

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<v Speaker 4>2-0 lead over the Yankees.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me?

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<v Speaker 4>The Yankees have a $ 300 million payroll. The Rays are

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<v Speaker 4>almost dead last at under $ 100 million.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow! Love that dynamic. Shelby Steele.

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<v Speaker 3>The one truth I've known my entire life is that

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<v Speaker 3>the principles of Western civilization are not tribal.

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<v Speaker 1>They're universal. I've had my turn in America.

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<v Speaker 3>People always ask me, Shelby, what's the answer to this

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<v Speaker 3>evil of white guilt?

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<v Speaker 1>My answer is always the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Courage.

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<v Speaker 3>believe in freedom itself. It only finds expression in the individual.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody gave me my freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>No one can. Freedom is within you. Seize it or don't.

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