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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar Blazar and Lazarre.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us always. Bar.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars. I remember when

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Speaker 1: when they came here for joint practice last year, Like

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Speaker 1: he did a scrump. Yes, but he was like he

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Speaker 1: was kind of confused as to while the reporters were

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Speaker 1: talking to him.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he did. It was I think he always

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Speaker 2: was confused. That's just Robbie Anderson's face. Did I ever

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Speaker 2: tell you that I saw Robbie Anderson in Aruba one time?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was walking out of a hotel and uh

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Speaker 2: in a Ruba You know my family. This is gonna

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Speaker 2: sound very like rich boy. It's okay, uh and I

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Speaker 2: and I was like, is that Robbie Anderson? It sure enough?

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Speaker 2: It was. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I saw you Donnas HASLM and a Dunkin Donuts

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Speaker 1: in Fort Lauderdale, Florida once.

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Speaker 2: That's not that, that's kind of the same thing, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well we're out. Me and my brother we were

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Speaker 1: little and our parents were like somewhere else and strip

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Speaker 1: mall and we want to go Duncan. Yeah, and there's

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Speaker 1: like a this is when hummers were all like the coolest.

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Speaker 1: There's big yellow hummer with my custom Miami heat license plate,

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Speaker 1: said haslam, Like you think that's the Donnas Haslam. And

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Speaker 1: we go to Dunky Donuts and there's Donnas hasm. We're like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: saw your car. He was just he had no time

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Speaker 1: for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, now we don't like Adonna's hasm.

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Speaker 1: No, no, at the time, he was like this would

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Speaker 1: have been probably like two thousand. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: the Celtics had their first Big three the Garnet. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: ap here Salon Big three, second Big Three. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: just not old enough for the first, right one. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: we Joe Mizzoula at Patriots practice. Joe Mazola is here today.

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Speaker 2: And then we have to get on the rails because

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Speaker 2: we don't have as much time as we normally do.

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Speaker 2: I we have to be an hour and thirty a

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Speaker 2: little tighter today because it's my fault, Evan's responsibility for it. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: let's get into it, because that was totally off topic

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Speaker 2: and had nothing to do with what we were starting

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Speaker 2: the show with today.

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Speaker 1: Would you even mentioned we're using the other set.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that too, We're gonna use the other set. Today

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Speaker 2: is just a busy day here, as you guys can

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Speaker 2: imagine atcha led stadium. So this is our our for

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Speaker 2: people that don't watch unfilter, which I doubt is a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that don't watch both shows. But this

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Speaker 2: is our usually our unfiltered setup, This lounge set up here,

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Speaker 2: that's growing on me. I'm more comfortable in the chairs

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Speaker 2: and everything and I than I was at first. So

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Speaker 2: we're gonna use this set up today, just a little

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Speaker 2: bit easier. And on that note, let's get to the

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Speaker 2: news of the day.

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Speaker 1: People in the chat think you have your own vacation

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Speaker 1: house in Aruba.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I mooch off my parents and that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Who mooched off their parents? And that's about it anyways.

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Speaker 2: News of the day, uh gerd Mayo naming Jacoby Brissett

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Speaker 2: the Patriots starting quarterback for the season. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: that in the second. Yeah, obviously that's a loose term.

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Speaker 2: I want to start by saying this. I know there's

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Speaker 2: on your station, that are going to be critical of

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Speaker 2: how this whole situation was handled in terms of this

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Speaker 2: local media here that weren't too pleased that the national

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Speaker 2: guys broke the story twenty minutes before the press conference.

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Speaker 2: I totally understand that there's an element to all of

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Speaker 2: probably maybe more media types even than fans, are going

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Speaker 2: to critique. And it was inefficient. It probably could have

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Speaker 2: But I honestly I try not to be selfish about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, this morning, I was fired up about it

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Speaker 2: this position that Jacoby Brissett is starting and Drake May

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Speaker 2: If the pay Pots and the Bears switched quarterbacks and

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Speaker 2: and third overall, right, just switched quarterbacks. Drake May is

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Speaker 2: little bit of a litmus test. The Commanders have a

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Speaker 2: similar roster to the Patriots. They have Terry McLaurin, but

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Speaker 2: their offensive line kind of stinks, and outside of Terry McLaurin,

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Speaker 1: Goings have a much more mobile quarterback now that Drake

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Speaker 1: May is not mobile.

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Speaker 2: He's more mobile in a different way though he's like

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Speaker 2: in structure mobile. Drake May I think is a better

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Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels better running away from people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. I guess my criticism is not about

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Speaker 2: like that that stuff is selfish, like that stuff is

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Speaker 2: not Yes, that stuff is not well, not really, because

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Speaker 2: we don't really do nine to five.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: The one time you have to do ninth to five criticised,

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Speaker 2: about this whole situation is that they did not set

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Speaker 2: And that's where I feel like we should be pointing

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Speaker 2: our criticisms, not to the fact that they called a

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Speaker 2: over it. The fact of the matter is is that

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Speaker 2: retained right. They're a big external addition, and I put

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Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, and now we're at a point where

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Speaker 2: Gerrodmeo is going up there on and he kind of

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Speaker 2: reiterated the same sentiment today, what's best for the team

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Speaker 2: and the short term might not necessarily be what's best

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Speaker 2: for the team in the long term. And then he

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Speaker 2: also said that prioritizing winning games in the short term

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Speaker 2: long term, right, And so basically what he's telling you

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Speaker 2: is is, I think Drake may is a better quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I know that Drake may is the future of the team,

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Speaker 2: regardless if he's better today or tomorrow. But we're not

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Speaker 2: ready for him. And the fact that they're not ready

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with that. I would say, though, like

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Speaker 1: you should know as drawd Mayo coming in that that's

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Speaker 1: the case. The offensive line should not have snuck up

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Speaker 1: is a question I get a lot. Why did Rod

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Speaker 1: my station saying like, oh, it's a quarterback competition because

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Speaker 1: Bill said they're both competing, but like that's coach speak

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Speaker 1: for participating. Yeah, a quarterback competition is an actual, like

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Speaker 1: tangible thing you can define where both or any position battle,

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Speaker 1: but like at quarterback, both players are getting opportunities with

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Speaker 1: but close things like that. There was never competition, And

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Speaker 1: I feel like if Girod Mayo had just said that

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Speaker 1: the circus. Maybe you don't even have this press conference

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Speaker 1: have all assumed it was Jacoby Brissett and we won, right,

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Speaker 1: So if if they just hadn't labeled it a competition,

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Speaker 1: There never was a quarterback competition, so there was no

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Speaker 1: competition for Drake Made to win, So naming Drake made

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Speaker 1: some ways is redundant. I guess they're unnecessary. But they

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Speaker 1: I understand wanting Drake May to compete, and I think

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Speaker 1: there was a competition in the sense that he would.

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Speaker 1: It's Drake against time. He's competing to show the coaches

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Speaker 1: it's not week one, and I think he did that

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Speaker 1: in that sense. I think he won the competition. Remember,

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Speaker 1: I came in talking about Halloween. I came in talking

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Speaker 1: tremendous growth over camp. But that's not what a competition is.

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Speaker 1: In leaving the door open for week one as much

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Speaker 1: for grabs. You're coming in here every day. We want

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Speaker 1: you earning that roster spot. Right, Success isn't success isn't given.

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Speaker 1: It's whatever it is least and wrenches do every day.

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Speaker 1: That's stupid cliche. Yeah right, I get that. But also

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Speaker 1: at a certain point, now you've created a circus and

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Speaker 1: a distraction around the team that you probably didn't need

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. And I actually again, I'll probably

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Speaker 2: a little inside baseball, but I went up to Jacolebrisett

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Speaker 2: in the scrum, and I was like, I guess congratulation,

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Speaker 2: Like it was sort of awkward to even congratulate him

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Speaker 2: because he had been running with the ones all summer,

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Speaker 2: and like, to your point, the only way that it's

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Speaker 1: How much of that do you think was just the

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Speaker 1: can you ruin a quarterback by sitting him? Like? What

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Speaker 2: Like he's under contract, we don't want.

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Speaker 1: Him to check out. But like, no, I hear what

433
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Speaker 1: you're saying, and he does not remotely seem like that

434
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Speaker 1: kind of guy at all. If anything, he seems that

435
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Speaker 1: kind of guy maybe likes a fire under him in

436
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 1: a good way. So you're not losing anything, Like none

437
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: of us are into the illusion that they're contending this

438
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: year even with him, you're not losing anything by not

439
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: playing him. There really is no downside. There's no not

440
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: a ton of upsides to not playing him, but there's

441
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Speaker 1: no downside to it. You just make sure he stays

442
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Speaker 1: healthy and you allow him to develop a little bit

443
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Speaker 1: more well. And this is another one I tweeted out

444
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Speaker 1: this morning that Okay, well, you know this gives them

445
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: time to figure things out on the offense. People world,

446
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,359
Speaker 1: what are they figuring out? You know, I can figure

447
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Speaker 1: out the line. It sucks, you know, he could figure

448
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Speaker 1: out the receivers. It sucks. Oh, to an extent. We talked,

449
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Speaker 1: We talked about this A lot has to be a

450
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Speaker 1: best five. Yeah, I don't know that the best five.

451
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Speaker 2: I want to get to that in a second. But

452
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Speaker 2: so I don't know what the.

453
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Speaker 1: Best five is. Good? Yeah, but there has like there

454
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Speaker 1: has to by definition be a best five. R Right.

455
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Speaker 1: It at least gives you time to find that. It

456
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 1: gives Jalen Polk and maybe Jamon Baker some time to

457
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Speaker 1: develop and become a little bit better as weapons. It

458
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 1: gives you time for City So to get healthy, for

459
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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry to get healthy, for Darian Low to get healthy. Like,

460
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: thinking they'll make no progress regardless of the quarterback from

461
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Speaker 1: week one to week eighteen is crazy, will it. It

462
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Speaker 1: might not be monumental progress. It still might not put

463
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Speaker 1: them in a spot where they're going to be a

464
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Speaker 1: top ten offense in the NFL. It won't, but they'll

465
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Speaker 1: start to figure a few things out and that can

466
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Speaker 1: only help Drake May once he does become the starter.

467
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Speaker 2: So there's two ways I want to go about this.

468
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Speaker 2: The first one, I think is what you just said,

469
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Speaker 2: So I'll just go there directly. Now it's twofold one.

470
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Speaker 2: They need to figure out how they're going to move

471
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Speaker 2: the ball offensively. And I know that sounds so rudimentary

472
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: and like or elementary, baby, the better tear before it.

473
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: But they literally need to figure out what are they

474
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Speaker 2: good at on offense. That take away Drake May is

475
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 2: like you know the kJ Osborne touchdown that never was

476
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Speaker 2: like take away the off script.

477
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Speaker 1: Oh they took that away. We don't need to take

478
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Speaker 1: that away for him. Mavin Jukes took that away.

479
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Speaker 2: Do you think out of all people who I have

480
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: been waiting since April, since April to see Drake May

481
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Speaker 2: roll to his left throw back across the field fifty

482
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Speaker 2: yards down the field for a touchdown. I've been waiting

483
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: since January to see that play. And as it's unfolding,

484
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: I see the flag going the air, and I see

485
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Speaker 2: Drake May hunch over in disgust and just be like,

486
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Speaker 2: I know what the flag is for already. I know

487
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Speaker 2: this doesn't count. It still counts in my in our eyes. Okay,

488
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: we all still saw it happen.

489
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Speaker 1: You know what I kept thinking of immediately after that play.

490
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Speaker 1: Remember the clip of Matt Ryan, like late in his

491
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Speaker 1: career at the Falcons when they're trying to motion and

492
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: get things he has. He yelled that time, whine. Uh yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: I just kept thinking in my head in that exact case.

494
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Speaker 2: Wine the oh god, it was. That was the play

495
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: that we've all been waiting for because it's it's his

496
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: it's his superpower. He's it's Alan Mahomes esque, like he

497
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,239
Speaker 2: has that off platform arm talent is just silly like

498
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Speaker 2: guys on that play, and I didn't want to go

499
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Speaker 2: down this road, but I have to for a second.

500
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Speaker 2: On that play, the deep safety, it's it splits field right,

501
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 2: It's like it's like Tampa two. The deep safety on

502
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Speaker 2: the left hand side of the field. He latches onto

503
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Speaker 2: the intermediate route and not the clear the clear out

504
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: route by kJ Osborne's just a vertical to clear out

505
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Speaker 2: the sideline on the flood concept. And he latches on

506
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Speaker 2: to the to the number two receiver the intermediate route

507
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Speaker 2: because he says, there's no effing way that this guy

508
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Speaker 2: is gonna throw this ball rolling to his left forty

509
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Speaker 2: yards down the field. He can't. Nobody can make that throw.

510
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Speaker 2: This kid can make that throw right, and he just.

511
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Speaker 1: As long as he's healthy and upright, which this safety

512
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Speaker 1: turns around and it is like no freaking way, just

513
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, like that, that's that's what we've

514
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Speaker 1: all been waiting for.

515
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Speaker 2: So you go back to the offensive line for a second.

516
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Speaker 2: I want to start there. But the big point is

517
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Speaker 2: what the offense as a whole, Alex van Pelt needs

518
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Speaker 2: to use this next five month, six weeks, eight weeks,

519
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Speaker 2: whatever it is, because if they even think about red

520
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Speaker 2: shirting Drake May at this point, I am going to

521
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: freaking riot on this show. I can promise you that.

522
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Speaker 2: So they whatever it is, whatever their timeline is for

523
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Speaker 2: Drake May being ready to play, five weeks, eight weeks, whatever.

524
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Speaker 2: This is a information gathering expedition. This is Yes, it's

525
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Speaker 2: about winning football games, and you want to try to win.

526
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Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to say that it's bigger than winning,

527
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: but you need to figure out what's your core offensively,

528
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Speaker 2: just your skill talent, your line, who's your best five,

529
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Speaker 2: who is your best five in the skill group? How

530
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Speaker 2: are you gonna move the football? How are you gonna

531
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Speaker 2: run it? You gotta be able to run the ball

532
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Speaker 2: with this offense. So is it gonna be outside zone?

533
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be more gap, is it gonna be

534
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: what is it gonna be How are you gonna run

535
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: the football? How are you gonna move the ball? In general?

536
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: Who's gonna play the five guys on the offensive line?

537
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Speaker 2: What do you have in Jalen Polk and Javon Baker.

538
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: I think that's big if one of those guys, and

539
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: it's trending more towards Polk at this point. If Polk

540
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Speaker 2: ends up being like a really good player, I'm not

541
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Speaker 2: ready to put a ceiling on him yet or a floor,

542
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Speaker 2: but let's just call him a good player, Like you

543
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Speaker 2: hit yeah on that pick, then that's something that you

544
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: can find out. Still, Jacoby Present is not a total

545
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: a total bum. They can fit find out if Jalen

546
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: Polk can play or not a little bit with him.

547
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Speaker 1: He's good enough for them to be able to develop

548
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Speaker 1: the rest of the offense.

549
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: Round right, So that's just a big part of it.

550
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Speaker 2: Then I want to talk about the five line on

551
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Speaker 2: the offensive line. Now. Injuries always play a role in

552
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: these kinds of things, so I can't they can't control injuries.

553
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: So if they if Darien Lowe and Cities aren't healthy

554
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: and they can't play Week one, then I can't get

555
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: my best five on the field.

556
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Speaker 1: But it goes back to your point from earlier of

557
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: there's no secret offensive lineman get hurt. And I've been

558
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: saying this at the beginning. It's not just the starters

559
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: that are a question marker. You don't know Whinny the

560
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: backups are either they are bringing a center today, they

561
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: have a backup center, right.

562
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Speaker 2: So I want to go down with what I believe

563
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Speaker 2: is their best five And it's two things. And I

564
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Speaker 2: know I always bring up Dante's scarnecia, but I think

565
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: he's the best guy that's ever done it, so.

566
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Speaker 1: As you should whenever you talk about offensive.

567
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Speaker 2: His word is probably better than most, if not probably

568
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: better than all, You'll be honest. One of the big

569
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Speaker 2: things that he always used to say, and what he's

570
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 2: told me before, is that you want everybody as best

571
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: as you possibly can to be in their natural positions.

572
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: You want everybody to be comfortable in their natural spots.

573
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Speaker 2: And then you roll with that and you try to

574
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: build the continuity right and the line that they've been

575
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 2: working with might be out of necessity that they're working

576
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: with the line combination that they are right now, which

577
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: is from left to right, Chukes Nick Leverett today, but

578
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: City eventually David andrews Leyden Robinson, Mike On win you.

579
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Speaker 2: But what I feel like is that you're really playing

580
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: with two guys at a position, because on when he's

581
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: at a position at right tackle and Chukes is out

582
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Speaker 2: of position at left tip, I think it's three.

583
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Wasn't Lade Robinson primarily a left guard.

584
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Speaker 2: And he's actually right here? I look this up. So

585
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: you're playing with two guys. Your tackles are at a position.

586
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, on both sides, and that's the worst spot to

587
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: have at a position.

588
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: So the way I look at it, and I know

589
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: this might I'm not telling you that their options are great.

590
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: Their options are not great.

591
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: But again, we're trying to find the best five. It's

592
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Speaker 1: not necessarily good five, but there is, by definition a

593
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Speaker 1: best five.

594
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Speaker 2: Vederian lots And has been the best left tackle they've

595
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Speaker 2: had in camp.

596
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Speaker 1: It's been really the only left tackle they've had in camp.

597
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: But I agree with you, best left tackle they've had

598
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Speaker 2: in camp. You can you want to say, oh, well,

599
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: I mean who else Chukes, Kayden Wallace.

600
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: But those guys even I'd like to see more Kadan Wallace.

601
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Speaker 1: So here's and I know he's out of position. I

602
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: get all that, but this is I don't know. Now

603
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm backtracking, but it's I wish they'd experimented with more

604
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: combinations during camp instead of getting to this point where

605
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: it becomes a fire drill a week before the season.

606
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: So here's what I but, yes, it has been Verderian law.

607
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm just being a smart ass.

608
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Speaker 2: I would put Vadarian Low at left tackle.

609
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: I would too, honestly at this point, I think.

610
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: He's your best left tackle.

611
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: YEP.

612
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: The one sack that he gave up in the preseason

613
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: against the Eagles was more a miscommunication, like poor execution

614
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: of a chip than anything. It wasn't like he just

615
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 2: got blown by by Nolan Smith and gave up a

616
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: sack right like. It was more something that is, it's easily.

617
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Speaker 1: Correctable, and he lines up correctly.

618
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Speaker 2: And he lines up correctly. Vaderian Low at left tackle, yep,

619
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Speaker 2: left guard. And this is maybe the one spot where

620
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: somebody could be at a position technically, But to me,

621
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Speaker 2: that's a two horse race between Cities and Leyden Robinson.

622
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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, City Show's not out of position there.

623
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Right, but technically would be. But he practiced a lot

624
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: this summer at left guard.

625
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm comfortable with either of those guys there.

626
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: We know who's at center, David Andrews that center better.

627
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this as we go through the line.

628
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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a player that this team

629
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Speaker 1: can afford to lose less than David Andrews. Yeah, it is,

630
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Speaker 1: especially because I I don't think it's a coincidence that

631
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Speaker 1: he doesn't play and they have trouble lining up, and

632
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: they have trouble with the lay of games and things

633
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: like that. All the calls go through the center. All

634
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: the checks go through the center, not all the calls.

635
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: All the checks go through the center.

636
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 2: Right, All the line calls go through the center.

637
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Speaker 1: And he's just a veteran with a bunch of young guys,

638
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: and I think his presence is important. I would like

639
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: to They also don't have anyody else can snapped the ball.

640
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big thing. I would like to be

641
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: able to the ball with him out there. He looks

642
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 2: to his left, and he looks to his right, and

643
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: he would say to Chukes, can you get on the

644
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: freaking exactly right?

645
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: You know?

646
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: I would hope sener David Andrews, Yep, this part, this

647
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Speaker 2: part I feel extremely strongly about and I'll die on

648
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Speaker 2: this on this hill.

649
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: I know what this is and I've even come around

650
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Speaker 1: to it. Mike on win who is a right guard,

651
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: Yes he is, Mike on w who.

652
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: Is a right guard. He has when he plays right tackle,

653
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: he can be a he can survive. He's fine at

654
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: right tackle. He can survive, he can dominate on the interior.

655
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: He is a all pro caliber guard. He is a

656
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: borderline starting right tackle. He is a right guard. And

657
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: at this point, you're doing him a disservice. It's your

658
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: roster construction that's doing him a disservice that he has

659
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: to play right tackle because you don't have any other

660
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: better right tackles to play because you they clearly don't

661
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: think Kayden Wallace is ready for whatever reason.

662
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: Right So, uh, just to kind of add to that,

663
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: I remember all the people that said you have to

664
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Speaker 1: pay Mike play Mike on winnu a tackle because you

665
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: paid him as a tackle and he's an overpaid guard.

666
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 2: Don't care.

667
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: I never cared, But now you look at it, all right,

668
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: he's the fifth highest paid right tackle in football. But

669
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: where would you rank him ability wise? Somewhere middle of

670
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: the pack.

671
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: Fifteen, sixteen, seventeenth somewhere right tackle. Yeah, to me, he's

672
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: he's in the bottom half of the league. I'm not

673
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: saying he's thirty second, but he's so called twentieth. Sure,

674
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: So you can pay the twentieth best right tackle the

675
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: fifth most of any player at the position, or you

676
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: can play you call him all pro, so you say

677
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: bottom of all pro, the fourth best right guard, yeah,

678
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: or the fourth best guard, sorry, second most. And we

679
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: also just just to I want to get to something

680
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: with on Wu too, with him personally, but let's also

681
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: just think about for a second that if you have

682
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: an interior of let's just call it city for the

683
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: time being, right, because he's probably the more ready guy

684
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: if he's healthy over landon Robinson City. So, David Andrews

685
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 2: Mike on went, who you have a piece of the

686
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: line that should be above average to maybe even good.

687
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the interior's fine.

688
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: Right, And so you have a decent interior of the line.

689
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 2: Do you know how valuable it is for quarterbacks that

690
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: they can step up in the pocket and have that

691
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: what you know what they called it shelf right? Yeah,

692
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: have this shelf clean to step up in the pocket,

693
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 2: not to mention the run game advantages that it brings

694
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: to the table too. With on when who particularly, what

695
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: I see with him when he plays tackle is that

696
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 2: he has a short corner. So every single drop that

697
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: you make that the quarterback that the rule of thumb

698
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: is that the quarterback needs to drop to ten yards,

699
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: So the linemen need to push the guys behind them

700
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: ten yards. Right, if you get the ten yards, the

701
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks at eleven and he gets sacked at eleven yards

702
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: and it's on the quarterbacks. Could you have to control

703
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: the depth of the drop. So with Mike on Wenhu,

704
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: he has trouble when he plays tackle with getting to

705
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: that ten yard land and the edge rusher has turned

706
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: the corner on him a little bit faster than they would.

707
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: It's not his fall, He's just not a tackle right.

708
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll allow for the fact that maybe if

709
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: he plays it for seventeen weeks he gets better, There's

710
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: no doubt about that. But when I watch him play,

711
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: I am watching a guard play tackle, like I'm not

712
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: watching a tackle play tackle. Yeah, last point, move on

713
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: from that right tackle two horse race again, ye choose

714
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: the cor for Cayden Wallace two actual right tackles by

715
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: trade that have played right tackle, and it goes back

716
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: and when you put the whole thing together. Low soo

717
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: Anderson on WHENU Andrews had to say Anderson and Andrews

718
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: on when WU a corp. Let's just say for now,

719
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: And I think that's right, Like you build up to

720
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: the rookies, you don't start with the rookies and then

721
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: go back to bet right, and then eventually at some

722
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: point you hope that Caden Wallace overtakes the cor four. Yeah,

723
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 2: and maybe Laden Robinson's better than City, So allowed for that.

724
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 2: We go back to the point of now, next year

725
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: you draft Will Campbell, he plays left tackle, and now

726
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you actually have some an offensive line.

727
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: You have to find a new center in a year

728
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: or two, but like you have the pieces there, you

729
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: have Rice together.

730
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: So that to me is the best five. Not only

731
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: do I think it's just the best five players on

732
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 2: the roster at their you know that on the line,

733
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 2: but it's also everybody in their natural positions, Like nobody

734
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: in that line is playing out a position. And yeah,

735
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: you might be a little bit weaker at tackle still

736
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: just because of the talent on the roster, but that

737
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do about that. Well, the players

738
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: are the players.

739
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: And what people who defend the line will say is

740
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: you can have four strong spots in one week spot

741
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: and cover it up, which is another scar Neetkat philosophy

742
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: which I generally believe in. I do think there are

743
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: two caveats to that. Yeah, One, I don't think that

744
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: fifth spot can be left tackle.

745
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: I just don't.

746
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: Two, wherever the spot is beyond left tackle, I do

747
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: think there's a baseline to cover up. So to your point,

748
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: Mike o and Win, who is an interior player, is

749
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: gonna be a big part of helping cover up that

750
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: weakness wherever it is. Michael When is going to be

751
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: a big part of it because he is a blue

752
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: chip player. I would argue David Andrews is great and

753
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: he's been a great patriot. He's not quite the player

754
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: he once was. Mike go and Win, who's their best

755
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: line right and Mike go and when it was there,

756
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: But he is their one blue chip lineman. If you

757
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: play him at tackle, you lose that. He is not

758
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: a blue chip tackle.

759
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: Correct.

760
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna scheme this whole thing around covering

761
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: up for a spot wherever it is special is gonna

762
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: be a right tackle. You need mikeel and Winn to

763
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: a guard to help you with that. He can hold

764
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: his own at tackle, he can't hold his own and

765
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: help somebody else, and you're gonna need him to do

766
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: that wherever he's playing in order to get the best

767
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: version of this line. Again, maybe it won't be great,

768
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: but to get the best version of it, you're gonna

769
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: need Mike and win who to help it.

770
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: It's just it's unfair to him, like they've forced him

771
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: to play right tackle because they haven't stocked the roster

772
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: well enough at the tackle position over the last two

773
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 2: to three years. That You're sorry, Mike, but you're you're

774
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: the best we got, so we got to play you

775
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: here like it's just it's such a bummer. I want

776
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit more about Drake may especially

777
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: because we're not going to see him now for a

778
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 2: little while. But before we do that, we can take

779
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 2: some of the phone calls because I know you guys

780
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: have been waiting on the line here. Patty is in Agawam.

781
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: What's up, Patty?

782
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 3: What's up? Gents.

783
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: I'll make it quick because I know you don't have

784
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 4: much time today, but yeah, I can agree more about

785
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 4: Mike and Winu. I think they just got to figure

786
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 4: it out at right tackle and just let him play

787
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 4: right guard. And really quickly, I wanted to bring up

788
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 4: something you guys said last week that I've been thinking

789
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: about for a couple of years. And I know it's

790
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 4: off topic. It's not the Patriots, but it's got to

791
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 4: do with Joe Toney and not this past year Super Bowl,

792
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 4: but the year before when they beat the Eagles. I

793
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: started thinking in my head, I'm like, this guy might might.

794
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 3: Be a Hall of Famer.

795
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: And then I thought back to the Super Bowl where

796
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 4: the pass played the Rams and I know for a

797
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 4: fact because I saw it on NFL films like sound

798
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: bites where he did get one on ones with Aaron

799
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 4: Donald and not only like he didn't dominate him, but

800
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: like he held his own and like the biggest game

801
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: on the biggest stages.

802
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 5: You know of his life.

803
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 4: So to me, I think he's a Hall of Famer

804
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 4: and yeah, let's let's figure it out. Let's get on

805
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: wine at right guard. Word along and as soon as possible.

806
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: Guys, Yeah, thanks for the call of Patty. I think

807
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: get d Drake May in there as soon as possible

808
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: is enough. I think we heard the last point.

809
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, Joe Hall of Famer.

810
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: He's trending now.

811
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: He blanked Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl. I think

812
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: he blanked him in that Super Bowl.

813
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: One on one. Yeah, on that drive on the game

814
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: winning drive of the pass to Gronkowski hostage passed across

815
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 2: Gronkowski is uh, Joe Toney Aaron Donald one on one

816
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: in past pro.

817
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: So he had that dominated Fletcher Cox in another Super Bowl,

818
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: one of the more underrated play coxs. I'm saying, I

819
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: think as high as highly regarded as he is, one

820
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: of the more underrated players of his era. Yeah. You

821
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: know that Niners defensive front last year he held up

822
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: well yeah, yeah, he's the first battle Hall of Famer

823
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: to me.

824
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: So it's and we don't have enough time today. It

825
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: is not the show for this. But yeah, it's really

826
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: tough for interier offensive linemen to make it into the

827
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Like it's really tough, like you have

828
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: to be you know, John Hannah, like you have to

829
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 2: be on that lone.

830
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: But I think what helps him because there's no stats

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00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: and people need something to latch onto super Bowl rings,

832
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: not just super Bowl rings. But you know Joe Tooney's

833
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: maybe not a name the common fans familiar with his

834
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: int your alignment. You know who are common names? Aaron Donald,

835
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: pletcher Cox. You show him beating up on those guys

836
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: in Super Bowls. You put that film on. I think

837
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: people are gonna warm up to him as Hall of

838
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: Famer pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So I had a question about something you were saying today, Evan.

864
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Speaker 5: You mentioned how you were frustrated with Wolf, how he

865
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Speaker 5: didn't do enough for the offensive line this off season.

866
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Speaker 6: I just I just kind of wanted to ask whether.

867
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Speaker 5: Any particular offensive lineman that became available that you wanted

868
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 5: us to pursue, and if not, would you rather have

869
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 5: gone for offensive linemen in the draft rather than doubling

870
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 5: down on wide receivers. Then yeah, that's all I have.

871
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Sam. Look the way I

872
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: look at it, Jonah Williams was an option?

873
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeap?

874
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: It does sound like Johnah Williams struggled a little bit

875
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: in Arizona in camp.

876
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: And again, did you line up correctly?

877
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: Fair enough? And they also they decided that Chuck Sikor

878
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: for for about five million dollars was better value than

879
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: Jonah Williams at about ten or whatever that contract was.

880
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: I think it was around values. That's the point.

881
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm totally with.

882
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: It.

883
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: They looked at it a little bit too. Belichick in

884
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: I would almost say, yeah, and I know this used

885
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: to work out for Bill all the time, so I

886
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: understand that. But Bill would have done the same thing.

887
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 2: He would have Bill had spot the value is better here, right.

888
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say, I was a

889
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: huge Kingsley Sue Matia fan. Yeah, in the draft, the

890
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: Patriots took Canden Wallace, I want to say about like

891
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: ten picks or so, even if that after Kingsley Sue

892
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: Matia went in the draft, that's the second guest to me.

893
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 2: I like Jalen Polk as a player. I could be

894
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: talked into the fact that they should have been mad

895
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 2: and tackle at that pick as well. But where the

896
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 2: tackle board fell, the run a tackle in the first

897
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: round had kind of already happened. The run of tackle

898
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: at the second round didn't happen yet or hadn't started yet.

899
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: It started with Kingsley, who the Chiefs drafted, of course

900
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 2: because they don't know.

901
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: It started with Patrick Paul.

902
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Patrick Paul went first, but that was a little

903
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 2: bit earlier because like end of the second, and then

904
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 2: Kingsley went a little bit after that.

905
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: It was also under the second.

906
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: That to me would be the second guest.

907
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Is so sixty eight is where they took Kyen Wallas.

908
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: They should have moved up from sixty eight and taken

909
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: eight if they weren't going to take attack, or they

910
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: took Jalen Polk, which I would have been fine taking

911
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: Patrick Paul there. I said that if they weren't going

912
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: to do that, they should have moved up from sixty

913
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: eight and put it this way, and it would have

914
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: cost him an extra pick. Who would you rather have?

915
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: We use Kingsley because that's your guy? Yeah, Kingsley period,

916
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: or Caden Wallace and Javon Baker.

917
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and those are Look, those are the tough ones

918
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: in the draft. Yeah right, if these are the either

919
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: oars or whatever you want to call it, the coin

920
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: flips in the draft is how I usually like to

921
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: call it that two years from now, Kingsley Supematia might

922
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 2: be a bust and Kevin Wallace and Javon Baker might

923
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: be stars for the Patriots. Right, But I would just

924
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: feel a whole lot more, you know better about this

925
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: offensive line, mainly because Kingsley is a left tackle.

926
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Speaker 3: Now.

927
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: He played both sides at BYU, but he has played

928
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: left tackle in games in college and you know, has

929
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: worked out there right like Kyd and Wallace had never

930
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: done that. So that would be the second guess your

931
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: guy was Patrick Paul that that that's fine too. Somewhere

932
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: in the draft they needed to jump on their tackle run.

933
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Speaker 1: It's specifically a guy. And here's I liked Kane Wallas

934
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: in the draft for them, and I thought they needed

935
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: two tackles. And I liked Kayden Wallace. I thought he

936
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: was gonna go in the fourth round. Yeah, but I

937
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: thought he would be a guy like ideally Chookes the

938
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: corps for is your starting right tackle and you're developing

939
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: Cainen Wallas bind it, which might end up happening anyway. Yeah,

940
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: but I wanted a true left tackle, not a guy

941
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: that was a convert.

942
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:42,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

943
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: I wanted a true left tackle, and that was Paul,

944
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: that was Kingsley. I would have even settled for Blake Fisher,

945
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: who played right tackle at the end of his career

946
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: in Notre Dame but had some left tackle experience.

947
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

948
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: Caiten Wallas, so I remember correctly played five snaps that

949
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: weren't it, right, he was a four year starter. In

950
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: those four years, he played five snaps that weren't right tackle,

951
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: and they were all at right guard.

952
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the last one was was Coleman from TCU.

953
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Who made a visit with him. I think, yes, so

954
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: he might have been a guard though. I well, he but.

955
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: His scouting report was really similar to to Kid and Wallace,

956
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Isn't that Like some people viewed Caden Wallace as a

957
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: guy that might needed to move inside. Brendon Coleman at

958
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: TCU two years ago when they were in the National

959
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: Championship Game, he had an outstanding year. Yeah, last year

960
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: he was injured. He kind of tailed off a little bit,

961
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: didn't have as good of a season in his draft

962
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: eligible year, so that hurt his stock. But he was

963
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 2: a left tackle at TCU also, So it's just these

964
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: guys experience. Yeah, those are the guys that I would

965
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:46,240
Speaker 2: just look at all right, Jeff is in Maine. What's up, Jeff? Good?

966
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 6: So, first of all, I completely agree with what you

967
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 6: said on the line with Loe and then either So

968
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 6: or Robinson Andrews and one of Wallace or troops. But

969
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 6: on a slightly different note, I had my fantasy draft

970
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 6: last night. Would you guys like to very quickly hear

971
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 6: the Manhattan Project?

972
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: Sure?

973
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: Oh, are you tweeting me?

974
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 4: Or no?

975
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: You called in or something said? Your fantasy team name

976
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: is the Manhattan Project? Yeah for that name? Sure?

977
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right?

978
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 6: So Jalen it's a three wide receiver League ten team PPR.

979
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 6: So Jalen Hurts, Jamier Gibbs and Kenneth Walker receiver a'mnra,

980
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 6: Nico Collins, Cooper Cup Dalton and King Kid at tight end.

981
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 6: I have Rashid Rice the flex and insurance on the bench.

982
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 6: When he almost inevitably we can move back to that

983
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 6: Dolphins defense. Jason Sanders is a kicker and on the

984
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 6: bench DeAndre Swift, Perry McLaurin, Tyre Spears, Jake Ferguson, Jade

985
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 6: and Daniels. Had to get Jayleen Folk in there. Jalen Wright,

986
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 6: and I have Jonathan Brooks.

987
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: On ir, nice, good squad.

988
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: How are you going to name it the Manhattan Project?

989
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: Though not draft Joe Milton. Listen, we'll get there, all right,

990
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: all right, fair enough, we'll get there.

991
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 6: Listen, if I have a quarterback, go down. Well here's

992
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 6: the thing, Alex. You have to keep Joe Milton behind

993
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 6: closed doors or he's not.

994
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: The Manhattan That is true. That's a good point. You

995
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: got there.

996
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: Now, he's really behind closed doors, Jeff, because we are

997
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: not going to see practice anymore like we do in

998
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: training camps.

999
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 6: So oh yeah, absolutely we greennamed foughts for a lost albums.

1000
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 6: I mean, he is.

1001
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: I love it.

1002
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 2: I love it. Thanks love all right, thanks for the call, Jeff.

1003
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: Good luck with your fantasy league. I drafted my first

1004
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: fantasy team last night. Also, by the way, really quickly, Jeff.

1005
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: I think Terry mclaurin's going to be in your starting

1006
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: lineup at some point because Jendon Daniels is coming. Jerry

1007
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: Daniels is here. He's got to throw the ball to somebody.

1008
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: It's gonna probably be scary, Terry. Uh So, I really

1009
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: feel like he's going to be in your starting live

1010
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: I had my first fantasy draft last night and I've

1011
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 2: decided that I'm probably no longer good at fantasy because

1012
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: all of my like fan emotions get the best of me.

1013
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: Like you know, I told you earlier that I just

1014
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: couldn't aft Rock Party. I couldn't bring myself to do that.

1015
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: I did draft the Bengals defense because they're playing the

1016
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: Patriots in Week one, so hopefully.

1017
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have admitted that.

1018
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. That's where we're at.

1019
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: I have That's where I haven't played fantasy in years

1020
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: because I just don't like doing it with this job,

1021
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: because I can't sit down on Sunday and watch all

1022
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: the games. I am back in the league this year.

1023
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: I am doing a punter's only league with the guys

1024
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: at CLNS. We are drafting next week, so I'll have

1025
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: an update on that.

1026
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: That's got you and Brian Heinzler and all over it.

1027
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's who's gonna get Bryce Behingers whoever

1028
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: gets the top pick. I don't know how we're gonna

1029
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 1: do the draft ord It's probably gonna be something stupid,

1030
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: but I will take Bryce Bearinger one one.

1031
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, I know I see your

1032
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: cause there were I promise you we'll get to you

1033
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: in a minute, but there's a couple other, you know,

1034
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: items I wanted to get to on the show. I

1035
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about Drake May because

1036
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: we might not We don't know when we're going to

1037
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: see him again in live game action, So the preseason

1038
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: film is kind of the film at this point. For now,

1039
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: at least, I know there was a lot j t.

1040
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: O'Sullivan in the QB School. He made a lot of

1041
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: of headlines here locally on some of his critiques of

1042
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: of Drake May in the game against the Commanders. Uh,

1043
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: just my two cents on the film I thought from

1044
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: the Commanders full disclosure, I texted you. I always text

1045
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: you on Mondays when I'm watching the film.

1046
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: Get I get the instant panic reaction.

1047
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: My my unfiltered, no fun intended, my unfiltered opinions, not

1048
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: my Patriots dot com opinions, but my unfiltered opinions. And

1049
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I didn't love what I saw against the Comman.

1050
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: I was shocked to hear president of the Drake Man

1051
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: fan club talking the way of him was talking.

1052
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. The biggest thing that I would say with what

1053
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: I saw on Sunday's tape. Look, the throw, the throw

1054
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: making that he has is special, like his arm talent

1055
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: is special. You know, he's a he's a true shot maker.

1056
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 2: Like this guy has got that gene in him. Uh.

1057
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 2: The throat of Jalen Polk on the cross route is beautiful.

1058
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: I mean that is just an absolute time, you know,

1059
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: moving from right to left. Yeah, for a right handed

1060
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: quarterback is probably one of the harder throws to make accurately.

1061
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: And he puts it right in stride on Jalen Polk's hands.

1062
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: It was it was chef's kiss.

1063
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: So is beautiful when I look at that play, Like,

1064
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: if you're a Patriots fan and for those who are

1065
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: maybe disappointed by the news today and you want someone

1066
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: to cheer you up or you're just looking for something

1067
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: from this preseason to hang your hat on in terms

1068
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: of what direction is the organization going? What direction is

1069
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: this football team heading? That's the play you go put

1070
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: on a loop, Yeah, because that is your first round

1071
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: quarterback hitting your second round receiver on a play that

1072
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 1: is bread and butter for your new offensive coordinator.

1073
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1074
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 1: When they drew this whole thing up back in February,

1075
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: when they hired the staff and what do we want

1076
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: this to look like in the end, that's it. And

1077
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're gonna run that every play, but

1078
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: what you know, and obviously I'm not comparing the players,

1079
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: but in terms of the concepts within the offense, the

1080
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: dig route from Brady to Edelman, yeah, right, or the

1081
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: the the seam route from Brady Gronkley, those very core

1082
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 1: concepts that they could just go to and rely on

1083
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: and hammer the old reliables. Drake May under center play

1084
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: action Jalen Polk intermediate crosser on the back side. Yeah,

1085
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: that if this all works out, becomes one of those

1086
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: old reliables for them. So you look at that, it's

1087
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: the squid word mean from sponge rob right future, Like

1088
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: that's the future right there.

1089
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a great play. The off

1090
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: platform throw to kJ Osbourne is like I said earlier,

1091
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: he is like I've been waiting six months to watch

1092
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,439
Speaker 2: Drake May make that play in the Patriot Right for him,

1093
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: that was great. I thought some of his empty stuff

1094
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: was better this week. Like last week. He looked a

1095
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: little bit of hesitant on some of the empty throws,

1096
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 2: you know, the empty concepts. I mean that he was

1097
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 2: making you know all that I thought was really really good.

1098
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of really good things. The scramble on

1099
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: third down, seventeen yard scramble, those are the types of

1100
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: things too. You know, not to pat myself on the back,

1101
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: but the kJ Osborne throw that didn't count just gross.

1102
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: And the scramble on third down backed up scramble by

1103
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: the way, yeah, on third down. Those are the types

1104
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: of things. When we talk about Drake may being a playmaker,

1105
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 2: like that's what he can bring to elevate the offense.

1106
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 2: He's not going to be. And this is sort of

1107
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: where I want to get into some of the QB

1108
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: school stuff we've talked about in the past with Drake,

1109
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: like macro and micro like what are potential fatal flaws

1110
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: for him in the NFL, and what are things that

1111
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: are minutia things that he needs to improve probably to

1112
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: be great, but it's not going to be the reason

1113
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: why he's Zach Wilson two point zero right, And some

1114
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: of the stuff that JT pointed out I wholeheartedly agree with.

1115
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: But to me, a lot of that stuff falls into

1116
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: the micro box. The fact that he invites pressure at

1117
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: times or causes his own pressure and with his pocket movement.

1118
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: That stuff can all be fixable and correctable. To me,

1119
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: C J. Stroud had the same problem even just last year,

1120
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: and he's actually talked about, you know, working on that.

1121
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I see with it with Drake

1122
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: May when it comes to that kind of stuff, is

1123
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: that he just needs to quiet his feet down a

1124
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: little bit and know when you know, let's call it

1125
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: two steps, is is better than five. Like if he

1126
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: feels pressure coming off his right side and the you know,

1127
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: the tackle is getting beat. You know, he's feeling the

1128
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: edge rush coming around instead of hitching up, you know

1129
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: three times, like he keeps hitching right, he's just hit

1130
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: hit hitch instead of doing that, just hitch up once,

1131
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: reset your base, make a throw right. And sometimes like

1132
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: it's the it's the Brady thing, it's the subtle pocket movement.

1133
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 2: His pocket movement right now gets a little bit demonstrative

1134
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 2: where it's not subtle. It's like all of a sudden,

1135
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 2: you know, he feels pressure and he does a nice

1136
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: job is sensing pressure, but that pressure becomes him moving

1137
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: like five feet set of two feet, and we just

1138
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 2: got to get him to be moving two feet to

1139
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: get into the center of the pocket.

1140
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: Getting rid of We talked about the slot receivers, but

1141
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, you can apply it to getting rid of unneeded.

1142
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 2: Movement, yeah, wasted movement. Correct. Yeah. So that that's a

1143
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: big thing with him that he needs to continue to

1144
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 2: work on. And when I look at his playing style

1145
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: in some of his warts, it's not a great combination

1146
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: with the offensive line. When you have an offensive line

1147
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: that's going to be giving up pressure and now you

1148
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: have a quarterback that also moves into pressure and has

1149
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: a bad tendency to move into pressure, it's you're yeah,

1150
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: it's a perfect storm exactly. So I understand that element

1151
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: of it. But the arrow is still very much pointing upward.

1152
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: But if I had to point to one thing with

1153
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 2: his footwork that still is a work in progress, because

1154
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: I think his footwork's gone on much better since North Carolina.

1155
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 2: But the one thing that is still work in progress

1156
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: is managing the pocket.

1157
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: And I think some of that, I would say, the

1158
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: one area of growth I want to see from me

1159
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: still sailing like a few too many short passes for

1160
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: my liking. He had one in the game last week.

1161
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: I think he had one of pop too, didn't he

1162
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: that he put like.

1163
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that one was interesting, Like that one Pop

1164
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: gets like re routed by the linebacker coming over the middle,

1165
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 2: and I think Pop actually would have ended up where

1166
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: he threw it.

1167
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: Are you sure that was like way over said.

1168
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: He jumped through it, which maybe he didn't have to.

1169
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: So I guess this is my point, like if he

1170
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: can just settle down and hit some more of those

1171
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: short throws like that would be because you start sailing

1172
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: those kind of throws, they're gonna.

1173
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: Get picked off that and that's a good point.

1174
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: He had.

1175
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: He had one against the EG I think was well

1176
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: Mitchell Wilcox caught one, and then he had another one

1177
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: that was incomplete. I don't remember who was too, but

1178
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 1: he's still a little And this goes back to the

1179
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: start of camp. Do you remember the first week. I

1180
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: was like, my big critique was, I think he's adrenaline's

1181
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: running little high. I think he's a little too hyped

1182
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: up and the balls getting away from him. I just

1183
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: if he can settle down on some of that shorter stuff,

1184
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: because I think what happens is on a lot of

1185
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: those throws I'm talking about, I'm trying to remember like

1186
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: each one of them all index but yeah, they come

1187
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: with pressure, and I wonder if it's just everything sped

1188
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: up and there's an adrenaline jump from I gotta get

1189
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 1: rid of this ball.

1190
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: Shoot, here's pressure.

1191
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: Go and he ends up, you know, putting too much

1192
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: on it, and that goes to the exaggerated movements as well.

1193
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: He seems to be a little calmer under pressure. And look,

1194
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: no quarterbacks perfect under pressure. I don't think there's one

1195
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: quarterback that's better under pressure than worse. But if you

1196
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: can just be a little bit calmer under pressure, just

1197
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: kind of take that half second to breathe and just

1198
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: not overreact to it, that'll go a long way.

1199
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 2: I know I always go back to Josh Allen with him,

1200
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: but it feels really similar to some of those other

1201
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: quarterbacks that had, you know, Josh Allen, Jordan Love. I

1202
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: haven't made in after further of you on Monday. Some

1203
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 2: of the things that he does is a little Aaron Rodgers, You're.

1204
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: Not the first person do that. It's been a big

1205
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: take coming away from that game.

1206
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: Early Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, I'm not talking about MVP Aaron Rodgers.

1207
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Aaron Rodgers, rookie. Aaron Rodgers, Right, back

1208
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: with the Packers.

1209
00:56:59,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Third year.

1210
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, third year Aaron Rodgers back with the Packers.

1211
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 2: He does things that you would tell normal court, like

1212
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: if mac Jones was out there throwing the way that

1213
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: Drake May throws, then we would all be like, you know,

1214
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: the coaches would just be up in arms, like it'd

1215
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 2: be like, what, you can't do this, Like he can't

1216
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 2: play this way, Like you can't throw off your back foot, right,

1217
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: I don't care how open Mike Kasicki is in Germany

1218
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 2: and Frankfurt, and you know, running into the end zone,

1219
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: you don't have the arm to be fading away on

1220
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: this throw. Drake May, almost to a fault, has such

1221
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: a gifted skill set in terms of his physical tools

1222
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: that he can sort of get away with some of

1223
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: this stuff. And so now the question is, you know,

1224
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: how much do you coach it out of him? Because

1225
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: you don't want to make him robotic.

1226
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to make them fight himself. This is

1227
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: something that's really important for Patriots fans to understand here.

1228
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: So we already discussed Drake May for hopefully the next

1229
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: like fifteen years. Yeah, I don't think his mechanics are

1230
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: going to be perfect, like you said, you would never

1231
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: teach a quarterback to play the way he plays, But

1232
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: there are some guys that make it work, and if

1233
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: it works, you don't fight it. Aaron Rodgers is a

1234
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: good comp I also go Steph Curry right, Like, you

1235
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: would not teach somebody to shoot a basketball mechanically the

1236
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: way Steph Curry shoots it, like you would if a

1237
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: kid showed up at camp shooting like that, they'd make

1238
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: a ton of changes. But obviously it obviously works for

1239
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: Steph Curry. He's the great shooter of all time, so

1240
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna touch that, but it works for him. I

1241
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: don't think anybody else can can mimic that, So you know,

1242
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: it's not to say Drake may is gonna be Steph Curry.

1243
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: But like, there's just some guys where they suck mechanically,

1244
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, there's some pictures like

1245
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: this too, some Major League baseball pitchers. Just the stuff

1246
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: they do mechanically doesn't make sense and you would never

1247
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: teach it. But for that one individual, it works, and

1248
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: it works and they can compete at a high level

1249
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: with those mechanics. And I'm of the belief when you

1250
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: have those athletes. There might be things on the on

1251
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: the boundary you clean up here and there and say,

1252
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: you know, for instance, one with Drake may that that

1253
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: you can clean up without. I think mess with him

1254
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: too much. Is just tightening up his release and getting

1255
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: the ball out quicker. Unless of a loop you can

1256
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,479
Speaker 1: tighten that up some of the other stuff. It works.

1257
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fight it. If you get to a

1258
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: point where he's struggling, then maybe you go in and

1259
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: you take a closer look. But it's working for him,

1260
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: and we're gonna hear a lot here in New England

1261
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: that his mechanics suck and people are gonna if he's good,

1262
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: people are gonna point to that and say, no, he's

1263
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: actually overrated. Look at his footwork, look at this, look

1264
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: at that. If it works, it works with Rogers, with Curry.

1265
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm blanking on the pitchers, but

1266
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of them. If it worked, like Kenley

1267
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: Jansen has that weird hitch right, Yeah, you probably wouldn't

1268
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: coach a kid to do that. If a kid showed

1269
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: up doing that at a camp, saying what the hell

1270
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: are you doing? Stop doing that? That's not how you

1271
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: throw a baseball. But it works for him. So if

1272
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: if it works for him, then you know, all the

1273
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: power too. You you've kind of earned the right to

1274
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: do it.

1275
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's an interesting balancing act. I guess

1276
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: with what to fix and what not to fix, and

1277
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: I don't.

1278
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: T willis is what I was trying to Oh, yeah,

1279
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: well it worked for a little bit.

1280
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely see some of the things, you know,

1281
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: with his footwork that again, you wouldn't teach a kid that,

1282
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 2: you know, an eighth grade kid, and I was trying

1283
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 2: to pick up playing quarterback for the and you wouldn't

1284
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 2: teach him how to throw it, you know, with his

1285
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: base like that. But he's so he has so much

1286
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: talent in his arm that it just doesn't necessarily matter

1287
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: for him as much. And that's the thing that's gonna

1288
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, the Rogers comp to me the biggest, you know,

1289
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: in I almost wonder if maybe I'm seeing some young

1290
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: Rogers because of Alex van Pelt, Like, I don't dismiss that.

1291
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 2: It's the footwork and the system that Aaron Rodgers was

1292
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: playing in, so I like they might be coaching him similarly.

1293
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 2: But Rogers was notorious and is still notorious for throwing

1294
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 2: with both feet off the ground like that is not

1295
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 2: something that most people do, but Aaron Rodgers does, and

1296
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: the Pop Douglas one is like that exaggerated. I'm not

1297
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: talking about those ones. There's other ones in the game

1298
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: where both feet come off the ground and he almost

1299
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 2: like jumps into the throw and uh and you're like, well,

1300
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: you know, why is he doing that? And you look

1301
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: at the throw and it's like it's on the guy's

1302
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: hands right right, And so there's just little things like that.

1303
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. Philip Rivers is another one.

1304
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: I'm thinking more examples down. Yeah, if you're putting it

1305
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: on the guy's hands, I don't really care how you

1306
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: threw it. In all honesty, I don't if you're putting

1307
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: on his hands, consistently throw it behind your back for

1308
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: all I care. If you're getting the ball there, You're

1309
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: getting the ball there.

1310
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of this with him once yea,

1311
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: once he takes over as the starter, which.

1312
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: So I'm establishing my take now if the results are there,

1313
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't care about his mechanics. Yeah, I'm like, yeah,

1314
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: he threw for three hundred yards, But did you see

1315
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 1: his feet?

1316
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1317
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: Well I also saw him throw for three hundred yards

1318
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: to win the game, so I don't really care what that was.

1319
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: Matt Jones threw for three hundred against the Eagles last year.

1320
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: Well, you made the different. The physical talent is let

1321
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: me rephrase that we threw for He threw for forty

1322
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: five hundred yards this season. Did you see his feet? Yeah,

1323
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: I saw him throw for forty five hundred yard. I

1324
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: don't really care where his feet were. Yeah, it consistently

1325
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: is a better example season.

1326
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 2: First case, it's a tough one because you look for

1327
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:13,440
Speaker 2: things on film of repeatable mechanics, and what you worry

1328
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: about is that some of the things that Drake does

1329
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: or not is not necessarily receptive to consistent, repeatable accuracy

1330
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: down the field. And we talk about some of the

1331
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: sprays and some of the things that he when he

1332
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 2: does have issues with the accuracy. You're like, well, if

1333
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: he was more consistent with his base and with his footwork,

1334
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 2: then maybe that would clean up some of those issues.

1335
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: But I actually I hear everybody on the sprays, it

1336
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 2: does look bad, Like the one to Taekwon is not close.

1337
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: That's not an NFL throw, Like NFL quarterbacks don't normally

1338
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: miss slants by.

1339
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: And if he starts missing those throws, then you take

1340
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: a close look at his mechanics.

1341
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but I also would just say with

1342
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: that and then and then we can move on from this.

1343
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: That to me is all so in the category of

1344
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: micro because like we're really talking about like two throws

1345
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: a game, right, So if he's missing a slant to

1346
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton and maybe you know a pop pass or

1347
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: lie you know, lay up past to Pop Douglas there

1348
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: on the crossing route, Yeah, it's not ideal that he's

1349
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: missing you know, these short game throws or these uh

1350
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: you know these you know short throws. But if he

1351
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: then follows that up with like a fifteen yard completion,

1352
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: then that's just it's fine. What we are, what I'm

1353
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: getting at is that for all of us, myself including

1354
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: we all need to sort of get used to a

1355
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: different style of quarterback play with him, and.

1356
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to set Drew Brees's career completion record

1357
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: to be a success.

1358
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different style. Even even though Mac was

1359
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 2: nowhere near Brady's stratosphere, Yeah, he was still more in

1360
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: the Brady mold in terms of way stylistically what he

1361
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: was good at. And we are our eyes right now

1362
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 2: as Patriots fans have been trained to the pocket, precision,

1363
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: mechanically sound passer, and Drake May is never going to

1364
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 2: be that. You know, I would go watch Mahomes, Rogers

1365
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: love obviously Josh Allen, like those are the guys that

1366
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna be mimicking. And if he gets to that level,

1367
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: it's not going to be Tom Brady. It's not gonna

1368
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 2: be If he fails, it's not gonna be mac Jones.

1369
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: It's not because it's gonna be the same reasons that

1370
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: mac Jones failed, so that that is an adjustment for

1371
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 2: all of us. Like the touchdown that he threw to

1372
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris. When I saw him even live watching that,

1373
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 2: I was like, uh oh, because I thought I was

1374
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a pick six, And then you remember that

1375
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: he's throwing one hundred and one miles an hour, right,

1376
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: and it's like, that's a throw that wasn't in mac

1377
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: Jones's bag. Now, I wouldn't necessarily suggest doing that often,

1378
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 2: like I didn't love that throw, to be honest, but

1379
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: he has that kind of velocity in his arm. So

1380
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: it's different. It's just different. And you tell me you

1381
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 2: texted me on Monday you wanted Josh Allen. You got

1382
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: Josh Alla.

1383
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: You don't get to You don't get to campaign for

1384
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: this exciting playground quarterback and then complain about them and

1385
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: then bitch when he doesn't have the mechanics, Like, no,

1386
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: it's if that's what you wanted, then you should have

1387
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: been a JJ McCarthy guy. But you wanted the exciting,

1388
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: high ceiling guy. This is what Like, he's not gonna

1389
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: be perfect. You can't say, all right, well, I want

1390
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: him to be the most electric playmaker ever and be

1391
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: the most tightly mechanically wound quarterback. Like that's just it

1392
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 1: doesn't exist.

1393
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's get back to the calls. And

1394
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 2: I do want to give our roster takes here in

1395
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 2: a second as well. But Dave is in Maine. What's up, Dave? Hey, guys,

1396
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 2: how's going good?

1397
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 7: So I'll keep it kind of quick. I'm disappointed. Like

1398
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 7: a lot of people, I think, actually, Drake May is

1399
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 7: the one that gives us the best chance to win,

1400
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 7: because the only way the offense can overcome itself. I

1401
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 7: think is with little Razzle Dazzle at quarterback, and Drake

1402
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 7: may gives you that Jacoby Brissette does not. And I

1403
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 7: get my question to you, is you kind of.

1404
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 6: Agree with that?

1405
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 7: And also, what are you guys scared at all that

1406
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 7: Mayo can lose the locker room this way by riding

1407
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 7: it out with Brissette over may because you know, the

1408
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 7: players must see it. We see it, so surely the

1409
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 7: players see it. And at what point does do you

1410
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 7: think that becomes a problem. And I'll take it off

1411
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 7: the air with that.

1412
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, Thanks Dave, thanks for the call.

1413
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: Two questions.

1414
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the second point, it doesn't get to that point.

1415
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 2: I feel like until they start losing. Yeah, like right now,

1416
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: maybe they see it in practice that Drake May is

1417
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 2: a better quarterback, but they might say to them they

1418
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: can convince themselves, yeah, but Jacoby is the more pro

1419
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 2: ready quarterback.

1420
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: I also think Jacoby is a popular guy in that

1421
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: locker room. I know a lot of fans don't like him,

1422
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: which I think is unfair.

1423
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 2: That's crazy to me, Like there's he's such a a

1424
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: good guy, like.

1425
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's like he's standing in the way of Drake

1426
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: May and I get there annoyed by that. That's not

1427
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: on him. And he's a really good teammate. He's a

1428
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: good leader. He's a guy that people gravitate towards. He's

1429
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: always been that. He's at an indie with Andrew Luck. Yeah,

1430
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: like he was a very popular player in that locker room,

1431
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: and obviously Andrew Luck was the starter. But I think

1432
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: there's a level of belief in him, and that kind

1433
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: of leads me to my first point to the first

1434
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: question about you know you need razzle dazzle for the

1435
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: offense to work. Is Drake May gonna give you the

1436
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: most razzle dazzle? Yes, of course, I wouldn't say Jacoby

1437
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: Brissett doesn't give you that. He he can do some

1438
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: pretty creative things with ball in his hands, maybe not

1439
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: as regularly as Drake May, and I don't know that

1440
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna be as spectacular, but he's not exactly a statue.

1441
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: He's not exactly gay manager either. Like he he can

1442
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: make plays out of nothing occasionally if he's given the opportunity.

1443
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with the overall point that if you

1444
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 2: were just trying to put the offense on the field,

1445
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: that kind of gave you the best chance to win

1446
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: right now, that I would probably say that Drake May's

1447
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: improvisational skills is what I would call it. That the

1448
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 2: kJ Osborne touchdown only happens because it's Drake May, and

1449
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: maybe those plays it is it's easier on the receivers.

1450
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: You know, there's the inn in the ang with the

1451
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 2: offensive line, but it can be easier on the offensive line.

1452
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 2: But in particular, if you don't have great receivers, when

1453
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: you have a guy that can do those kinds of things,

1454
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 2: it's no matter what. Even if your receivers aren't great,

1455
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 2: it's really hard to cover in the NFL for like

1456
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: five six seconds, right, So if the quarterback's moving around,

1457
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 2: then it just gives the receivers time to uncover and

1458
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 2: get open down the field. So I agree with all

1459
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 2: of that, but I don't think that that's necessarily where

1460
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 2: they're at in terms of Drake May playing. They're more

1461
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 2: worried about in structure, like how is he handling the

1462
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: instructure system, running the plays that are being called, and

1463
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: also obviously you know pre snap and all that kind

1464
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 2: of stuff too. That's more important in terms of checking

1465
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 2: boxes to get him on the field than just saying well,

1466
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 2: he's just gonna run around and make plays like because

1467
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: that's not as much as that's an element. Uh you know,

1468
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: you watch Patrick Mahomes play, I would say seventy five

1469
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: to eighty percent of Patrick Mahomes's plays are in structure.

1470
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: It's just the out of structure stuff for the highlights, right,

1471
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 2: those are the things that make it onto Sports Center.

1472
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 2: So that's why everybody pays attention to that. But for

1473
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: the most part him Alan like those guys play in

1474
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 2: structure a lot more than you think, and so that's

1475
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 2: where they're trying to get with. Get to with Drake

1476
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: may All right, let's uh, Eldred is in North Carolina.

1477
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: Le's up? Aldred?

1478
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 3: Hey good?

1479
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: How are you all right?

1480
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: Proud of you? Man? Out of your Qluorida back and

1481
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: I gotta see it. I'm still at Missouri show. Why

1482
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: you know, Like I said, what you brought up is

1483
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 3: what we saw. But I got me. He does look better.

1484
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 3: He does look better what he did in North Carolina,

1485
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 3: but still got jump things where it is the short

1486
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 3: that's worried. You can throw deep, but it's the short thing.

1487
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 3: But getting off of that and make sureall question it, okay,

1488
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 3: I got laughed at on PU for bringing this up,

1489
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna bring it up again. Okay, you got

1490
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback, right, So my question is why not.

1491
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 3: I know you've got draft capital and you got money. Okay,

1492
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 3: it's a tackle. Like I said, if somebody told me,

1493
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 3: well they already paid him the extension, yes, but they

1494
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 3: got another guy in this place that's gonna take his place.

1495
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 3: So you've been hurt for a couple of games. You

1496
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 3: don't miss like three or four games for the last

1497
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 3: three years. But he's breaking number two behind Trent Williams.

1498
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 3: That's about Durris off for Minnesota. Why not give up

1499
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 3: a first and a player to go get that guy?

1500
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 3: And then my other question is Brown from from Cleveland

1501
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 3: on the right hand side tackle. Somebody jumped over him.

1502
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,800
Speaker 3: They're both young, they're both I've got and maybe you

1503
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 3: get get out of Brown. So Deres, you ain't gotta

1504
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: worry about because he's the NFL's tackle left. Why not?

1505
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 2: And I take you off the air, Thank you, thanks, Eldred.

1506
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I mean off the top. We've got

1507
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 2: Christian Darris is an excellent player.

1508
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 1: He's not getting traded.

1509
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 2: I don't think he's getting traded those types of players.

1510
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: I mean, Trent Williams got traded. I guess that's the

1511
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 2: exception to the rule.

1512
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: Trent Williams aggressively shot his way out of Washington. Yeah, great,

1513
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: Like that wasn't even your typical player talks his way

1514
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: out Like that makes what Brandon Ayuku is doing right

1515
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: now look like child's playing. Yeah, and I don't fault

1516
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: him because that organization is a mess, Like don't. I

1517
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: don't want this. I don't want to come off as

1518
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 1: me picking on Trent Williams, but yeah, if it tackle

1519
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: shoots his way out of his team, the Patriots absolutely

1520
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: make the call. Short of that, Darris How is not

1521
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: getting traded.

1522
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Deris is a great player. I think he's one

1523
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 2: of the best tackles in the league. I love Derris

1524
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: How in the draft too. I mean you could just

1525
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 2: see it. Remember, you know, there's when you watch guys

1526
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 2: like that in college and they just like look like

1527
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 2: their varsity against JV against power five competition, Like this

1528
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: guy's gonna be really really good. When you turn on

1529
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 2: the film with Drris, you you knew right away, Oh

1530
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: that's that's the guy. I'm supposed to be watching, like

1531
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 2: you didn't even need to look for a number. He's

1532
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: he's a really good player. I highly doubt that Minnesota

1533
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 2: with I know he's hurt, but JJ Justin Jefferson under contract,

1534
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,919
Speaker 2: like they're they're thinking of him being JJ McCarthy's blindside

1535
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: protector for the next five years, right like that that

1536
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 2: I would have to think that that's where they're at.

1537
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 2: But if he's available, then I'm obviously all for it.

1538
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 2: I just don't necessarily see it.

1539
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: Who is the real quick I just want to clear

1540
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: it up because I phrased that wrong. I forgot the

1541
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: exact situation. Trent Williams didn't exactly shoot his way out

1542
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: of Washington. He had cancer. The team doctors noticed it

1543
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: and downplayed it. Oh and then it turned out to

1544
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: be serious. And he was basically so mad at the

1545
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: organization rightfully that he said he didn't want to play

1546
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: there anymore. So that's that situation is not happening every day.

1547
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: So who was he talking about the brown I don't know.

1548
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: On the Browns.

1549
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Browns have so I think Conklin. So

1550
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 2: they have Conklin and they have Dewan Jones.

1551
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: I think Conklin got passed on the depth chart. I

1552
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: think he lost a starting job, maybe.

1553
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: To Dewan Jones because that's who they're they're.

1554
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: Maybe he was talking about Dwan Jones. I Lovedwan Jones.

1555
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe Conklin because Dewan Jones they just drafted

1556
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 2: last year and maybe he's coming and I think Conklin

1557
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 2: was on pup for a little while or too.

1558
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: I I would take Conkland, but I don't know that

1559
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: i'd give up. I like, if you're gonna give up

1560
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: a third round pick for Jack Conklin, right, which I

1561
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: don't know, am I offen that assessment.

1562
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: Of probably not? Because he's a starting tackle.

1563
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 1: Right, So you just Conkland's the right tack He's a

1564
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: right tackle. He's not playing on the weft side.

1565
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1566
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just used a third round pick on the

1567
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: right tackling Kayden Wallace. Yeah, at this point, I'd rather

1568
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 1: see what he has and and if not, you just

1569
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: blew two top one hundred picks and now there's no

1570
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: path for Kayden wall And he burned that pick. You know,

1571
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: I know people will be like, well, you're complaining they

1572
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: don't have enough offensive line talent. Now you don't want

1573
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: him to trade for somebody. Well, I do want them

1574
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,520
Speaker 1: to see what they have and the guys they did draft,

1575
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: because what happens if Conklin like ages out, you never

1576
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: developed Wallace. Now you blew two third round picks for nothing.

1577
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: So I would at least see what you have in

1578
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: Kan Wallace at this point. If if Jack Hankin was a

1579
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: left tackle, I may feel differently. But they don't need

1580
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 1: to trade a third round pick for left tackle right now,

1581
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: if for a right tackle right now, they just don't

1582
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 1: need to do that.

1583
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: That's fair. Let's take this last call and then we'll

1584
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 2: give our roster reaction to wrap it up. Mark is

1585
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: in Connecticut.

1586
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 8: What's up, Mark, Devin Alex, how you guys doing today?

1587
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: Being great? Thanks Kahn, Thank you.

1588
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 8: Donovan Smith the tackle who used to play for Kansas City.

1589
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 8: What is the deal with this guy? He's been on

1590
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 8: the open market all over the offseason. I would have

1591
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 8: thought that we would have picked him up because I

1592
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 8: believe he's a left tackle. Any idea on what's going

1593
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 8: on with this guy?

1594
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just done. He's like and a lot of

1595
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 1: people ask gout. David Boctiari, Charles Leno. Who's the other

1596
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 1: one who was with the Cardinals.

1597
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: With the Cardinals, there's another tackle.

1598
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: J Humphries, and those guys had serious, serious injuries last year.

1599
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: Baciari last like three years. So Donovan Smith's the one

1600
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: guy who's healthy, and so you'd think maybe he's the

1601
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: guy he was really bad last year. Yeah, I got

1602
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: call it for like a million penalty if he takes

1603
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: another step, if the step back he took from twenty

1604
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: two to twenty three, if he takes the same size

1605
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: step into twenty four. I actually don't think he's better

1606
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: than what the Patriots have. Yeah, they may see that too. Thanks,

1607
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

1608
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 2: Sorry to get you off the line so quick, but

1609
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 2: we're up against a little bit. Yeah, with Donovan Smith,

1610
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 2: it did sound like just talking to you know, some

1611
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 2: of the Chiefs reporters that I know that he got

1612
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: better towards the end of the season last year and

1613
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 2: it was like okay in the playoffs. Obviously won the

1614
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, so he couldn't have been nap, but it

1615
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 2: was rough there for a while with him, especially with

1616
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 2: the penalties.

1617
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't be a post to them signing him.

1618
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a guaranteed answer.

1619
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: I just feel like if he was, if he was

1620
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 2: still good, Uh, you don't just leave left tackles like

1621
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,080
Speaker 2: that available, you know, on the open market. Like if

1622
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 2: teams thought that he could still play, then I'm sure

1623
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 2: that he'd be he'd be on a roster. YEA, all right,

1624
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 2: I really uh, you know, just wanted to wrap it up.

1625
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,519
Speaker 2: Fifty three man roster. This probably would have been what

1626
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 2: we led the show with until we got the quarterback news.

1627
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 2: But frankly, it wasn't all that interesting. I'm just gonna

1628
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 2: be honest, and uh, some of that has to do

1629
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 2: with the state of the roster, Like it just got

1630
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,599
Speaker 2: to call a spade a spade. There wasn't a whole

1631
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 2: lot of NFL talent that they were like, oh man,

1632
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 2: we got like all these really good players. We got

1633
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 2: to pick from all these guys. So I wasn't a

1634
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 2: ton of surprises. I the one. I wouldn't even call

1635
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 2: him a surprise. I just think if you had to say,

1636
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, Evan, what was your big surprise cut, I

1637
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 2: would probably say Kevin Harris. But he ended up back

1638
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 2: on the on the practice squad. He clears waivers and

1639
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 2: They probably were okay with rolling the dice there, thinking

1640
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: we'll get one of Terrell Jennings or Kevin Harris back

1641
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 2: on the practice squad as kind of like a between

1642
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: the tackles, you know, power back and that capacity, so

1643
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 2: they get him back. I wasn't really too shot by

1644
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 2: anything else.

1645
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: No, Josh Bloodsoe would be the other one. I thought

1646
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 1: he had a really good close to the summer, good

1647
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: final couple preseason games, and more surprised he's not back

1648
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. He may look at it and say, hey,

1649
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: look I played well, Yeah, I'm gonna hold out. I'm

1650
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: gonna wait till I get a roster shot. And he

1651
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: has had a right to do that obviously. But besides that,

1652
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't you know, some other names people

1653
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: know obviously, but I wasn't super surprised by Sean Wade,

1654
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: Jalen Rager. They cut he's back, and I think he'll

1655
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: be back on the active roster at some point. How

1656
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: many of these waiver claim guys so none of the

1657
01:17:56,200 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 1: waiver claimed guys. Eric Johnson is a fine depth player. Yeah,

1658
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: Demontree Hunter I like as like a project tackle, but

1659
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 1: I put him in the same boat as like Tyrone

1660
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: Wheatley where he's starting games this year. I'm worried. Maybe

1661
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 1: you see what he is down the road. But how

1662
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: many of those four waiver guys you think are still

1663
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: on the team like week ten?

1664
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I agree with you with Uh,

1665
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: Trey Hunter, by the way, you don't have to Is

1666
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 2: that what he goes back? Yeah? Is it Hunter?

1667
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1668
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: Because they have two guys name Hunter. The linebacker's name

1669
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: is Hunter.

1670
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 3: Two.

1671
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 2: I thought that call.

1672
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: Linebacker's name is Curtis Curtis Hunter, Curtis Jacobs, Curtis Jacobs.

1673
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, there's two Jacobs. It's Demontray Jacobs. That's what

1674
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,760
Speaker 1: it is. He throw Trey Jacobs. I've struggled with this

1675
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: for two days now.

1676
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:37,720
Speaker 2: We need to learn these things.

1677
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey Jacobs is the tackle, the other tackle they

1678
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: signed as a guard. Yeah, he's not really Zach Thomas,

1679
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,519
Speaker 1: which is easy to Zak Thomas, which is easy. Not

1680
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: but Zach Thomas is not the linebacker, which also confused

1681
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: me because Zak Thomas line up.

1682
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 2: Why do I feel like your names are wrong? Right now?

1683
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: Can you pull?

1684
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1685
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: Can you pull me?

1686
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: Like?

1687
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 2: I just it doesn't sound right? To me. But the

1688
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: Tyrone Wheatley comp I think is really good for right, Like,

1689
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's where I'm at with him.

1690
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: Really like a big dude like six six three fifteen

1691
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: three twenty like looks looks the part coming off the

1692
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 2: bus athletic can get out into some space, Like there's

1693
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 2: some film of him from the preseason on in space,

1694
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: you know, on toss plays, you know, pin polls, things

1695
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: like that. That's pretty impressive with his movement skill, but

1696
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: he's raw and is gonna have to develop.

1697
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 1: All right, Trade Jacobs, Zach Thomas, Curtis Jacobs, and Eric Johnson. Really,

1698
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't know where I got Hunter from.

1699
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, you're all over there.

1700
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: I think there is another guy named Demontree Hunter who's

1701
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: in the draft recently. Yeah, that's probably what I'm thinking of, But.

1702
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: I I can't stress it enough with Waiver claims. I

1703
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,559
Speaker 2: know everybody's jonesing for the next like Jem to find

1704
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: on Waivers. It hardly ever happens that these guys turn

1705
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 2: out to be anything. So I've I've learned my lesson

1706
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: in that respect a little bit over the years. You know,

1707
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 2: I used to you find out about new guys. I'd

1708
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:03,719
Speaker 2: write big film reviews on them and I dive into

1709
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 2: their tape for hours and and then they so you

1710
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: did your job and they no, No, This was like, no,

1711
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 2: that's your job.

1712
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 1: No, that's your job. No, it's your job.

1713
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: And then in three weeks they'd be off the team. Yeah,

1714
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: And so it's just it is what it is with waivers.

1715
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: But the one that kind of confused me and UH

1716
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: with the waiver claim because like you have four you

1717
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: claim four guys, you have to put them on the roster, right,

1718
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: So they had to create these spots and now and

1719
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: all is well, that ends well in hindsight, like they're

1720
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 2: probably going to get everybody back on the practice squad

1721
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:34,080
Speaker 2: that they cut.

1722
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 1: They just have to wait on Bold. Yeah, three of

1723
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: the guys are back Bold, nice clear waivers, which we'll

1724
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:39,679
Speaker 1: know in ten minutes.

1725
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's probably gonna end up being you know,

1726
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 2: water under the bridge, Yeah, in ten minutes. But the

1727
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 2: main thing I look at is I really thought that

1728
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: that Tristan Hill had a nice camp. Yeah, and I

1729
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 2: thought that he's an NFL caliber depth defensive lineman, Like,

1730
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: is Eric Johnson that much better than Tristan Hill?

1731
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's got more experience recently, that would be

1732
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: the one thing. Yeah, it's a young group up front

1733
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 1: for them, and he's played twenty eight games the last

1734
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: two years. But outside of that, he's also much smaller. Yeah,

1735
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: he's like six four two ninety Yeah.

1736
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's definitely more of a penetrating Yeah.

1737
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:17,800
Speaker 1: I wonder if they play a little bit on the

1738
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 1: edge too, kind of like they used to use not

1739
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: the edge of the end, Yeah, like they used to

1740
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,280
Speaker 1: use Lawrence guy. Yeah, but not a bad player. But

1741
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,839
Speaker 1: I'm with you, like I don't know, Tristan Hill made

1742
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: a lot of progress, and they have both of them,

1743
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: like you said in no harm, no foul, and it's

1744
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: not a bad spots have depth. Guys get hurt and

1745
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: maybe they both end up on the active roster for

1746
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 1: at some point, but I don't.

1747
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1748
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: They like needed Eric Johnson like they could have. I

1749
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: don't know if anybody else claimed Derek Johnson. Do you

1750
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: just risk him getting through and signed him on the

1751
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: practice Well that's the thing is like.

1752
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,720
Speaker 2: Now they get both, So that's that's the that's the

1753
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 2: reason why you do it, because now you have both

1754
01:21:55,080 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 2: guys and then just you know, with Jeden Rager, I

1755
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 2: I keep saying this take because I want to. I

1756
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: know it's gonna come regardless of how many times I

1757
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 2: say it. But guys like Jayvon Baker and Kishan Booty,

1758
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 2: it's on my radar that they might be healthy scratches

1759
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: week one against the Bengals. Yeah, and Jalen Rager goes

1760
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 2: to the practice squad. He's a vested veteran, so he

1761
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 2: doesn't go through waivers. You tell him, this is just

1762
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: roster mechanics, right, roster minusha, We're gonna send you to

1763
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 2: the practice squad. We're still gonna pay you your freight

1764
01:22:30,720 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 2: because you're gonna be on the game day roster for

1765
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: week one. My guess is is that Jalen Rager gets

1766
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 2: elevated to the game day roster on Week one. He's

1767
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: active on game day to return kicks and play his

1768
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 2: role on special teams and then be the backup X

1769
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 2: receiver to Taekwon Thorn. And a guy like Kaishan Boody

1770
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 2: or Javon Baker is probably a healthy scratch. Maybe both

1771
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: are healthy.

1772
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: Se My guess would be Rager week one, Week two,

1773
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: and week three, and then they revisit it when they

1774
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: run out of elevations week four.

1775
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 2: Right, So this is that that angle of the ross

1776
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:02,720
Speaker 2: is a little belichick in by the way that.

1777
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: They d every team kind of manipulates those those practice

1778
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: squad elevations. Now, I don't think that's just Bill.

1779
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I can see that with Jalen Rager.

1780
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: Who's your other elevation?

1781
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: It's a good question, Mitchell. It could be Willcox if

1782
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 2: Be's healthy. I also think it could be one of

1783
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: the running backs, maybe Kevin Harris. You know, I don't

1784
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,599
Speaker 2: know where they view it right now with Jamichael Hasty

1785
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 2: in terms of like if they really fail, Like I

1786
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 2: feel like Jamichael Hasty is a player, Like I think

1787
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 2: that it's not just like a situation where you know

1788
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 2: they're gonna play him in the kicking game, Like I

1789
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: actually think he can contribute a little bit.

1790
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 3: Well.

1791
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: I do wonder if they have him return some kicks

1792
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,240
Speaker 1: and maybe that buys him some time on Rager.

1793
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that that could be as well. Uh So

1794
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 2: that that's the roster so far, you know. I think

1795
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: the biggest thing though, when you looked at this fifty

1796
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 2: three man roster for the Patriots, I liked what they

1797
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 2: did at receiver in corner because that was the two

1798
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: spots where it felt like they had some surplus of

1799
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: NFL talent. Yeah, and rather than just worry about like

1800
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 2: positional thresholds and like, yo, you're only supposed to carry

1801
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 2: five receivers in five corners like traditionally or whatever, they

1802
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: kept the extra bodies at those two spots. They seven

1803
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 2: and seven at both spots. I was a little bit

1804
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 2: surprised that they went dial over Wade.

1805
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 1: I think they wanted the whole rookie class to make

1806
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,839
Speaker 1: the team. I don't think that happened by accident.

1807
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,160
Speaker 2: I wonder too, if it's just a little bit of

1808
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 2: like upside versus known commodity like Sean Wade is probably

1809
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 2: is what he is at this point, is going into

1810
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 2: year four. He's a fine depth corner.

1811
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: I also think, and I mean, he got cut the ice,

1812
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 1: so we'll see if he comes back. I think Isaiah

1813
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: Bolden kind of pushed Sean Wade off the roster with

1814
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 1: his ability to play in the slot.

1815
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, del pettis good story. Undrafted free agent makes

1816
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: the team. So that was my biggest takeaways from the rosters.

1817
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: Only one more was it how scared should Patrick Mahomes

1818
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: be in Kansas City? I Zappi Fever knows no bounds.

1819
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,599
Speaker 2: I'm a little confused by that decision. I'm not gonna lie.

1820
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: Well, you know who their backup is, No, Carson Wentz.

1821
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: Their quarterback room right now is just Patrick Mahomes, Carson Wentz.

1822
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:19,640
Speaker 1: Bailey's happy. What a room, A lot of stories in

1823
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: that room.

1824
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 2: He's very different from those two guys. Like even Carson

1825
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 2: Wentz has a little bit of that like mobility, athleticism, size,

1826
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,560
Speaker 2: like you know, like that's that's not Bailey, Zappy I

1827
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. I was a little surprised about that because

1828
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 2: I thought he would go someplace where he at least

1829
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: had a semi shot to compete, like he obviously is

1830
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,520
Speaker 2: zero points zero percent chance.

1831
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Of Zappy Fever knows no bounds.

1832
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a little surprised by that.

1833
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 1: You just know, you just know it's not me rooting

1834
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: for injury, but you just know Mahomes is gonna get

1835
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 1: hurt at some point. Zapi's gonna like win a big

1836
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: game for the Chiefs and it's gonna be ridiculous. You're

1837
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: not in the media.

1838
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: Like well, because they I mean, they have a much

1839
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 2: better roster than the Patriots.

1840
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh no, they're not gonna win because of Zappy, but.

1841
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could go into a game and like Andy

1842
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:08,240
Speaker 2: Reid could could put together the Patriots one game of Bareley's.

1843
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: Remember when like thirty eight year old Chad Henny won

1844
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: them a playoff game? Do you remember that? Like something

1845
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: like that?

1846
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I remember? The last thing I wanted to ask

1847
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: you about. Just we knew this was happening, kind of

1848
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 2: like Jacoby starting at quarterback, but Joey Sly winning the

1849
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,720
Speaker 2: kicking competition. Just your thoughts.

1850
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: He earned it, Yeah, he deserved it. Yeah, map for him.

1851
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 1: I do think they'll they they will, and they should

1852
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,200
Speaker 1: bring a kicker on the practice squad just in case. Yeah,

1853
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised it's not Chad Royland. I feel

1854
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,599
Speaker 1: like it was gonna be. We would have heard by

1855
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: now because they rolland closed the gap there late and

1856
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: completely close it. But he narrowed it. But the one

1857
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: thing with Joey Sli is a big leg I think

1858
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: they took those last two kicks on Sunday night to

1859
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: really get a gauge of where he was at. And

1860
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: they know points are going to be at a premium

1861
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 1: and you know, fourth and ten from the forty, can

1862
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: we kick this thing right? Right? So he gives them

1863
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: a little like obviously I like Nick Folk, but Nick

1864
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: folkshole thing was forty and n he's automatic. Anything beyond that,

1865
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,760
Speaker 1: you're probably planning on going for it anyway. Yeah, you know,

1866
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 1: if it's if it's close, you're just not gonna ask

1867
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 1: him to step out that much. Stephen Gostowski was honestly

1868
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, especially late in his career.

1869
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: Bill was always I just just make the gimmis. I'm

1870
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: not gonna ask you to make too many of the

1871
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 1: hard ones, but I need you to make the gimmis.

1872
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: Joey sl is a little more. We have more field

1873
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,240
Speaker 1: goal range than the average team, and you know, are

1874
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: they going to take advantage of that? If you have

1875
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: a kicker like Joey Sly I would hope they look

1876
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: to take advantage of that, not that I want them

1877
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 1: to be super conservative. And you know, fourth and one

1878
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: from like the thirty five, maybe go for it, right,

1879
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: But for a team where points are at the premium,

1880
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: expanding that field goal range, it's fourth and ten from

1881
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: the thirty five, that maybe now is a little more

1882
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: of a realistic field goal kick than it was before.

1883
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: So I know you hate that concept. No, no, I

1884
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: hear you first thing on Sly. You know you kind

1885
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: of just said it. But I was looked at your numbers.

1886
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: I put your numbers in my I appreciate it. Yeah,

1887
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 2: my right up.

1888
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 1: By the way, the numbers are big this Yeah, people

1889
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: love the numbers that might have. I think they were

1890
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:15,920
Speaker 1: bigger in the hanngtimes.

1891
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: The fifty plus was not close in terms of makes right, So.

1892
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't I don't did that it was three of I.

1893
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,640
Speaker 2: Think it was three for eight for Ryland and like

1894
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 2: seven for eight for Joey's.

1895
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: Now Rland didn't have as many.

1896
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: I thought that's what it was. Maybe's three for seven.

1897
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: It was not close, that's the point. Yeah, right, it

1898
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: went really forty.

1899
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: So Ryland also struggled in the in the forty range too.

1900
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that was the big thing with the

1901
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:38,879
Speaker 2: kicking cop.

1902
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: Dish three of seven verse eight of nine, and then

1903
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: it was oh, forty to forty nine. It was only

1904
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: one different sixteen to twenty two for Ryland, seventeen to

1905
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: twenty two for Sly.

1906
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 2: Now let me ask you this because then we have

1907
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 2: to wrap up the show. How how much we in

1908
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 2: the preseason we didn't get to see what Gerrodmeo's fourth

1909
01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 2: down decision making is going to look like, Yeah, we're

1910
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: gonna argue on the show about this this year. I

1911
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 2: can tell because I if he's like Dan Campbell and

1912
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: he's just go for it, go for it, go for it,

1913
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:07,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna drive you.

1914
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 1: Up a wall.

1915
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 2: And I can't wait for it because we don't know,

1916
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't know yet.

1917
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 1: You want to get mad at him for something he

1918
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: hasn't thought.

1919
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 2: I just want to know if you're like, if he's

1920
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 2: like an aggressive and he doesn't have to be brit stalely,

1921
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: but like, if he's.

1922
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Not so much about the decisions as much as it

1923
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: is the philosophy behind the decisions. If he's going for

1924
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Speaker 1: it because his gut tells him to go for it

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Speaker 1: as a former NFL player, great, I love that. If

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Speaker 1: he's going for it because the dato says, then I'm out.

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Speaker 2: I hope he goes for it, like I hope they're

1928
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Speaker 2: like I'll go from because with Bill, they were one

1929
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Speaker 2: of the least aggressive knocking the microphone, they're one of

1930
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Speaker 2: the least aggressive fourth down guys decision makers in the league.

1931
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Speaker 2: I actually I hope that they're the most. I hope

1932
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Speaker 2: they are. Brandon Staley, just to piss you off.

1933
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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be pretty aggressive because defensive coach

1934
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Speaker 1: is going to trust the defense.

1935
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably for.

1936
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Speaker 1: Like I think they're I think they're gonna be pretty aggressive.

1937
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Speaker 1: I do, But I don't think it's gonna because of

1938
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Speaker 1: the math. I think it's gonna be just the form

1939
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Speaker 1: of player. Coaches are generally more aggressive.

1940
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Speaker 2: All right, there's a lot of emails, and normally for

1941
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Speaker 2: our full two hour show, yeah, I would I have

1942
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Speaker 2: brought up some of the concerns about route spacing that

1943
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Speaker 2: we got in these emails. I just will say this

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Speaker 2: really quickly about it, because we got like three emails

1945
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Speaker 2: about it.

1946
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Speaker 1: They people do they we our audience knows us.

1947
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Speaker 2: It's on my radar. Right, I'm not ready to like

1948
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Speaker 2: panic about it yet. Like this isn't two years ago

1949
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Speaker 2: where it's a regular season games and guys are literally

1950
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Speaker 2: running into each other.

1951
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this one question about it. Yeah,

1952
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Speaker 1: obviously they're not running the full playbook in the preseason. Yeah,

1953
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Speaker 1: how much of it do you just chalk up to it.

1954
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Speaker 1: It's preseason. They're just running scratch stuff.

1955
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Speaker 2: Not maybe a little bit, but like the biggest issue

1956
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Speaker 2: that I see is that like they're running routes into

1957
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Speaker 2: each other over the ball. Like, I don't know any

1958
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Speaker 2: playbook in the NFL that has mirror dig routes running

1959
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Speaker 2: directly into each other over the ball.

1960
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Speaker 1: There is a play like that in CFB twenty five

1961
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Speaker 1: that actually works sooner for well.

1962
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Speaker 2: I it doesn't exist, it does.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's one of my like go to that's one

1964
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Speaker 1: of my like go to third and long plays.

1965
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Speaker 2: If they're crossing a crossing pattern, yeah, or it's or

1966
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Speaker 2: it's mesh and it's at the it's at the shallow

1967
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Speaker 2: level right right exactly then okay, But angled dig routes

1968
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Speaker 2: at each other over the middle of the field. Never

1969
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Speaker 2: seen it. That's not an NFL play Like that should

1970
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Speaker 2: not be on the film, So it's on my radar.

1971
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Speaker 3: You know.

1972
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Speaker 2: There was one with with Jalen Polk and Jean Bell.

1973
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Speaker 2: Drake may forced it over the middle of the field

1974
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Speaker 2: like a late throw over the middle of the field.

1975
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Speaker 2: Not one of his better decisions in the game. And

1976
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Speaker 2: Jaean Bell's the first three and the the buzz defender,

1977
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Speaker 2: the robber. He goes with Jaheim Bell, and so what's

1978
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Speaker 2: Drake May does the right thing and he throws the

1979
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Speaker 2: second one in right because he takes the first one

1980
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Speaker 2: in like Jahem Bell's got to get out of dodge,

1981
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Speaker 2: like you got to clear that out. You gotta clear

1982
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Speaker 2: the picture out for the quarterback. So there are some routes,

1983
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Speaker 2: some things that are on my radar. I know that

1984
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Speaker 2: some people will. I guess I haven't gotten a chance

1985
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Speaker 2: to watch Kurt Warners yet. You know JT. O. Sullivan

1986
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Speaker 2: and Kurt Warner day breakdowns. I haven't watched Kurt Warners yet,

1987
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Speaker 2: but I know that was a lot of the conversation

1988
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Speaker 2: on Kurt Warners. It's on my radar. I'm not ready

1989
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Speaker 2: to hit the panic button yet because it's the preseason.

1990
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Speaker 2: If it's happening in September, then it will be something

1991
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Speaker 2: we will talk about. Trust me, if I wanted to

1992
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Speaker 2: address that, because there's a lot of emails about it.

1993
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Speaker 2: And next week we will do the full two hours.

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