WEBVTT - Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) with Crystal 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.560 On the Bechdelcast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.039 and them all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:12.400 do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy. Zeph and Beast 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.280 start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:23.799 Hello, Jamie, it just me nine tih Dracula. Bello, Caitlin, 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:26.760 It's hello. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.400 The Minions worked for Dracula. Oh don't you remember from 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.599 the opening of Mini, I do remember the Minion has 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:35.560 worked for real people and fake people. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.960 Yes, wow, incredible anyway today. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.839 Because I didn't, I didn't. I politely refused to do 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.640 the voice. I wish there was a way to I 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.639 love like thee the like laugh lines that Anthony Hopkins 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.600 gets where He's like, I know you're hurting right now, 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.320 but we have to cut your wife's head off right now. 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:59.720 It's an emergency. You're like Jesus, Welcome to the back 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:01.880 soil Ast. My name is Jamie Loftis. 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:06.000 My name is Caitlin Deronte, also known as If listeners 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.320 listen to the Daily Zeitgeist, you might know me as 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.000 my anagram alias nine tit Dracula. 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:13.800 Truly the best. There's a lot of good ones, but 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:14.840 that is the best. 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.160 It's a really good well, I prefer Lauren d Titanic. 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.320 Oh yeah, that's that is pretty good. That sounds like 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.560 like a Carmen san Diego style ioas. But for the 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.959 sake of today, nine tit Dracula will do. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:34.320 Yes, indeed, because we are covering Bram Stoker's Dracula nineteen 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.280 ninety two. This is the Bechdel Cast, our podcast where 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.760 we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.960 Bechdel test as a jumping off point. Which what's that? 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:45.960 Should we say? 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.360 Well? Sure, why not? Because the creator of the Bechtel 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:54.440 test is now our dearest friend friend, so for her 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:57.160 because she needs our help. Yeah. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:57.520 Yeah. 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:00.720 The Bechel's hast was created by Quirker to miss Alison 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.600 Bechdel with her friend Liz Wallace. It's so weird to 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.440 do this in person. Often called the Bechdel Wallace Test. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.480 There's a lot of versions of the test. The version 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:16.320 we use is thus, there are two characters with names 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.720 of a marginalized gender who speak to each other about 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.840 something other than a man for two lines of dialogue. 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.680 And I feel like it is kind of weirdly relevant 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.080 in today's episode because It was originally created specifically in 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.560 response to a lack of queer relationships between women on screen. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:39.040 I feel like there is a for me, a very 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.760 erotic relationship between women in this very film. They kiss, 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:48.920 they literally kiss. That's erotic. Famously, not always, but in 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.160 this case very yes. 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.960 Yes, yes, yes, And like you mentioned, Jamie, we are 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.680 sitting in person. Very rare for us to do an 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.600 in person record, but it's a special occasion because our 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.720 guest is visiting from another country and you know them already. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.280 They are a drag artist known for RuPaul's Drag Race 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.720 UK season one. They're the host of the podcast Camp Classics, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:14.560 and you remember them from our episodes on show Girls 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.040 and Jawbreaker. It's Crystal. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:23.840 Hi, I've crushed oceans of dives to be here. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.120 You really did, I literally did, literally did? 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:29.839 Hi? 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.079 Hello, Thanks for having me. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.040 Actually see Yeah. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.640 Likewise, this is it is kind of intense, this in 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:37.280 person thing. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.440 Yes, yeah, speaking out about the eye contact, I know 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:46.520 you're so beautiful. This is great. It is. I like 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.600 that we only record in person when someone is specifically 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:53.080 visiting from England, because we did that with Kate a 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:54.520 couple of months ago as well. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:55.360 Well. 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.320 I mean even just the three movies we've covered with 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.360 you all very campy movies. So before we get into 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:05.000 your history with the movie, tell us about the podcast. 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.720 Oh, thank you. Yeah. So I've started a podcast called 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.600 camp Classics, which I guess is kind of like your podcasts, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.400 but a queer lens we're looking at. We call it 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:21.360 a thoughtful podcast about stupid movies. So we're covering kind 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:24.839 of queer coded and explicitly queer movies and kind of 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:28.440 looking at them through a queer lens. This movie really 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.320 qualifies as a camp classic. We've got We typically look 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.000 at things from four categories to determine whether or not 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.479 something's a camp classic. You look at it and you say, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:42.400 is it any queer joy? Does it have an ongoing legacy? 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:50.040 Stupid fun? And underdog flop vibes? Those are typical categories. 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:52.080 So this movie ticks some boxes Foreshore. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:52.920 Oh yeah. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.040 And also, I just think whenever vampires are involved, you're 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:57.760 probably in camp territory. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:04:59.360 Almost always. 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.080 Almost we've been covered I mean, we did interview with 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:07.760 a vampire last year, We've just recovered Twilight, and now, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:09.880 I mean, vampires are on the brain. Centers just came 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:11.000 out we've all seen Sinners. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.120 Not a particularly camp movie. 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:15.640 I'd say, actually, no, no idea. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.880 It was the flop vibes are not there's no but 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.920 it is horny, and that's also a prerequisite, I think 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:24.560 for a vampire mode. 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:29.839 Oh yeah, it's yeah, it's sexy. It's sexy. That movie 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:30.360 was so good. 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:32.480 It was so good. I really want to see I 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.440 need to see it a second time. 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.680 Everything I consume right now just seems to involve vampires, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:38.880 which I'm not mad about. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.480 They're back. I feel like whatever cultural cycle like that 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.119 we fell out of in the late two thousands, we're back. 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.800 And I think that the media is kind of better 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:49.360 now too, which is kind of cool. 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:50.320 Yeah. 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:53.960 Yeah, I was going through because No Saratu also came 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:58.640 out recently. I was going through the ranked Dracula slash 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.760 No Saratu because Nosaracha is basically just a Dracula knockoff, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.440 and there have been Yeah, the two thousands was not 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.640 a great time for Dracula. I didn't realize that Geord 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:09.880 Butler had played Drus. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.680 I am desperate to see Dracula two thousands. 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:17.040 Okay, have you seen I have it up his audition tape. 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.640 He's wearing like a Chris Angel wig. 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:22.799 It's really wow. 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:26.400 It's really I love Geord Butler. He's not afraid to 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.560 be really bad in the movie. I love it. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.239 Gary Oldman isn't dead, but he is rolling in his grave. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.800 Yes, yes, Gary Oldman could never wear this wig, and 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:41.800 neither could try. No one should wear this wig. I 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.320 love it. I love it. But yeah, it seems like 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.840 the twenty twenties have been good to vampires so far. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:51.880 Yeah, apparently Dracula is the most adapted piece of media ever. 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.880 Yes, making like I read something like seven hundred appearances 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.880 in different adaptations, plays, movies, TV shows. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:02.760 There are so many different I mean, obviously count Orlock 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:06.080 is a Dracula ripoff. And I say obviously I had 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.200 to check because I you know, so you never know 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.160 who's ripping off who. Sure, but count Orlock is a 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.360 Dracula rip off. But there's also there's like the Monster, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.000 the Universal Monster version, which is kind of like stripped 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.640 of context Dracula and he's just a weird guy. There's 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:26.960 this Dracula who the like book Cannon Dracula. There's Hotel 0:07:26.960 --> 0:07:28.640 Transylvania Dracula. 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:34.600 That's my niece's favorite of course count Oh my god, 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:39.000 see everyone's got their Dracula countcula. 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.600 There's why did children have so many vampires? That that's alarming? 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.320 And then you've got things like Blacula and just all 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.120 different manner of adaptations there were. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:53.560 This is from a Vulture list, because I mean their 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.760 vulture can be counted upon to have a list of 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.120 this nature. And I celebrate that because I really needed it. 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.240 This morning I learned about adaptations I hadn't heard of. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.680 One that I was like. One I haven't seen but 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.480 I knew about was Willem Dafoe in Shadow of the Vampire. 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.280 Oh my god, love it, love that movie. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:12.960 Yeah, because isn't that about the making of nos forra Tu? 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:13.440 Yes? 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:14.760 And then he was in Knows for a two. 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:16.120 Wow. 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:18.080 And then you know who else is in Knows for 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.680 a Tu. Nicholas Holt, who plays Renfield in a different 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.200 movie starring Nicholas Cage and Nicholas Cage is in a 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.600 different movie called Vampire's Kiss. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.120 Once the Vampire. Wait did I tell my Nicholas Holt 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.120 story on the show before? I think I already did. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.599 It might have been on the Patreoon. Remember tell us, Okay, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.520 not to knark out Nicholas Holt, but my friend Cory, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.480 friend of the show, Cory lives in Long Beach. Apparently 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.559 Nicholas Holt lives in Long Beach. Nicholas Holt had two 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.000 movies in theaters this Christmas. They were Juror Number two 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.960 and No Forratu. Nicholas Holt goes to first of all, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.480 Nicholas Holt AMC STUBBS member kind of Wild. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.560 Love It, where he and I are in community together, 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:01.160 and please. 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.240 Don't use this information for evil. Nicholas Holt confirmed STUBS 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.760 member Corey has gotten in the Long Beach AMC. She 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.400 knows all the information. Nicholas Holt goes to the Long 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.280 Beach AMC on Christmas and everyone's like, is he going 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.640 to see his own movie alone on Christmas? No, He's 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.800 going to see Sonic three alone on Christmas. And I 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.480 was like, he's great. I love him and I would 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:25.319 be a lifelong fan. 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:25.600 Yeah. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.960 I already thought that man was really sexy, but now. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.200 He's like also painfully, like beautiful. I was like, I 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.440 would do that. I would see Sonic three alone in 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:34.960 Long Beach. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:37.240 That's so powerful, especially if you knew you were going 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:38.559 to get clocked doing it. 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:42.120 Like he walked past two theaters that he was the 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.840 star of the movie and was like, no, it's gonna 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:45.760 be Sonic three for me. 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.200 No one needs to see Juror number two. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:50.960 I think he's wow. He's so real. He's a Stubs 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.720 member just like us. He probably could afford a movie theater. Okay, sorry, 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.520 I'm talking too much. The one Dracula adaptation I learned 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.239 about that I want to see now it is Dracula 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:06.000 Pages from a Virgin's Diary, which is from two thousand 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.400 and two. It is a silent, black and white film, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.520 but it is the only major adaptician at least on 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:17.840 this list, that stars an Asian Dracula, and it really 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.480 hones in on the like the idea of Dracula as 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.880 the other and also I just like the title Pages 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:30.480 from a Virgin's Diary. Anyways, he's ranked number He's the 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:35.000 seventh best Dracula. That's pretty high. Wow, that's pretty high. Yeah. 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.200 Okay, well, shall we get into it with Crystal. What 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:42.319 is your relationship with this movie. 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.439 With Francis Ford Coppola as Bramstoker's Dracula. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.000 Yes, as Dracula in general, and of course Francis Ford 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.560 Coppola of Megalopolis fame. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:51.440 We can. 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.959 I mean, he's not afraid to do a silly one. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:55.400 We know this about him. 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.520 Yeah, he what's that tweet? He came on this movie, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:05.120 broke career in shambles, mad as hell. I feel like 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:09.560 that's the story for this movie. I have to embarrassingly 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.000 admit I have not seen a single other friendsis. 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.520 That's okay, I just saw The Godfather for this show. 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.439 Right, I'll get to it. I understand it's supposed to 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.640 be quite good, so you know, I was surprised. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.000 I really, I really came in not wanting to like it. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.120 But it is actually quit it's pretty good. I'm the 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.040 first person to say that. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.240 It turns out. Yeah, But this movie, I think I 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.760 must have seen it as a child, and it terrified 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.199 the piss out of me. I can still like before 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.560 I watched this movie again recently and then again this week, 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.920 I still had that image of Gary Oldman crawling that 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:47.160 wall and just I found it so terrifying. For some reason. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:50.160 I watched it again earlier this year and was just 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:52.800 obsessed with the campness of it. I had not expected 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.360 it to be so silly. It really takes a lot 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.640 of big swings this movie. And then I watched it 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.800 again this week to prep for this. I've really enjoyed 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.040 all of my time with this movie. 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:06.439 Same same, Yeah, I didn't see it. I didn't see 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.559 it the whole way through until I think within the 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.719 past year prior to that. And this is something we've 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.840 mentioned on the podcast before, but our friend Alex's Horrorthon 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.480 that he does, it's like a twenty four hour horror 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.800 movie marathon that he does every year. And I saw 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:26.280 it for that one year, probably like seven ish years 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.280 ago or something like that, except that I wasn't in 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.120 the room for most of it because I had to 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:31.200 like go teach a class. 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.960 That's how our horrthon goes. I like painted my whole 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.040 bathroom during Horror Fi one year, right. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.880 So I only saw bits and pieces of it, but 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.839 I was like, what is this movie? Of course I 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:44.959 had heard of it before, and I was familiar with 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.800 different things like Keanu's bad accent and all that kind 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.120 of stuff, but I had never fully seen it until 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:54.920 pretty recently, and I was like, oh my gosh, this 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.000 is the best. I love it. I'm obsessed. Watched it 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.280 three times to prep for this. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.360 You've you've been like raving about this movie for the 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:04.959 last year. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:10.000 Yeah, so I'm new to it, but I love it 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:12.280 the end, Jamie, what about you? 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.760 I thought, I, this is so embarrassing. I thought I 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.640 had seen this movie. I was aware of the Kianu 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.760 accent thing. I was thinking of Gary Oldman's makeup, and 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:29.360 I confused it with Ron Perlman Beast from It's a 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:33.439 very similar makeup the Linda Hamilton Ron Pearlman series about 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.839 Beauty and the Beast, where Linda Hamilton plays I think, 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.760 not Belle but Bell, who's like a lawyer who goes 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.920 out and hangs in the sewer with Ron Pearlman Beast. Anyways, 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.920 I thought it was that it wasn't I have seen 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.400 a lot of that show, but I had not seen this, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.480 and I mean, it's like, it's great, it's great. I 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.280 had read the book in high school and then I 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.679 was hoping to finish it because I've found an audiobook 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:10.360 that stars Alan Cumming as Doctor Seward and Tim Curry 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:15.679 as Van Helsing, and so i bought that audiobook and 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.599 I'm like about halfway through it. It's interesting the like 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.040 adaptation elements that Francis Ford Coppola ads because he like 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.840 expands Mina's story by a lot, but in a way 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.040 that I was like, that's what you did. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.600 I mean, that's what most of my notes are about. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.800 Yeah, because I mean I appreciated that because I mean, 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:37.640 she's not like a straightforward character, but she is, you know, 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:42.120 very virtuous and very like observant active, but ultimately, you know, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.320 she has brown hair, so she's virtuous. Lucy doesn't have 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.120 brown hair, so she's cooked. And that's how white woman 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.840 characters work a lot of the time. Yeah, but yeah, no, 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.880 I mean it's it's interesting, like how many different reads 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:58.680 there are of this. It's really hard to prepare for 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.080 a Dracula episode because there's so. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.760 Much, yeah, other stuff floating around and in the culture, 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.200 and like, which part do you focus on? 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.720 I'm I'm really excited to talk about it. The production 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:15.320 of this movie is also like interesting. I was showing 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.360 Caitlin before you got her Crystal. There's a clip of 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:24.040 the whole cast playing zip zaps off, which was quite triggering, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:29.640 and they're like seeing Anthony Hopkins, Sir Anthony Hopkins playing 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:33.240 zip zaps off. I'm like, that's that's a bridge too far? 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.880 Was Gary Oldman there because he famously was kind of 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:39.920 like absent during production, right, he was just in his 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.040 tiller getting absolutely shit faced. 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:47.280 God, I'm yeah, because Winona like called him out for 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.360 that years later, thankfully. But I can't tell because they're 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.480 all wearing, with all due respect, that all the men 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.320 are wearing the same shapeless nineties outfit. So I really 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.120 can't tell if he's there or not. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:15:59.960 Even in this movie, it's sometimes it's hard to tell 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:04.000 who's who with these men. They're all kind of saying me, Yeah, 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:05.160 that's what. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.200 Happens when you have an all white cast. I'm like, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:09.600 who's that guy? 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.680 Yeah? And who is, with all due respect, Billy Campbell? 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:15.640 I don't know, indeed. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.560 Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll come 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:20.760 back for the recap. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:36.520 Billy Campbell is an American film and television actor. Oh yeah, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:38.040 so there you go. 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:43.000 That's who that is. Okay, here is the recap. We 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:50.880 open on backstory about Dracula played by disgraced actor Gary Oldman, and. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:55.040 It's kind of incredible, incredible in the not great way. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.680 How much this movie's production like bears that out, and 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.040 how in the nineties, you could just say, like, yeah, 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:04.920 it was a piece of shit on this movie, and 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.159 that's why I'm so good at acting, and like. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:14.639 Yeah, truly. So it's fourteen sixty two in Transylvania and 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:19.240 Dracula is a human man at first, and he has 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:26.040 a beloved his wife, Elisabetta played by Winona Ryder, who 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:29.920 he must leave to go to war because men be 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:36.960 going to war and impaling people. And then Elizabetha gets 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:41.239 word that Dracula died in battle, so she takes her 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:44.399 own life. But he didn't die. That was just like 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:46.920 false fake news. 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.560 This happened to Romeo and Juliet too. Wait to see 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.600 the body, ladies, wait to see the body. 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.200 Or just don't kill yourself because is dead. 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.720 There's so much to live for. Don't die. I'm a man, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.320 ye all do respect to your deceased loved ones. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.320 Anyway, So Dracula comes back to his dead wife absolutely 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:14.240 devastated and infuriated at like the church and the clergy 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.400 who had like sent him to war. So he denounces God, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.280 saying that he's going to rise from his own death. 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:25.160 He stabs across the cross start elodes into a cloud 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.160 of blood, which is awesome. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:28.959 What a cool way to become a vampire. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.280 God, I know he really like the mellow drama and 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:34.880 this is just oh, it's so good, it's amazing. 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:36.720 And so he drinks the blood from the cross and 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:42.120 that's how it becomes a little Vampire's such a drama queen. Okay. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:46.960 Then we cut to London eighteen ninety seven. We meet 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:52.159 a man named Renfield played by Tom Waits of Shrek 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:52.879 two fame. 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:54.760 Oh, he plays the. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.479 Same more well he played. I guess he plays Captain 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.879 hook Slash. He sings one of his songs in the 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.240 bar that Shrek goes too. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.680 That's important, yeah, in some way, which kind of makes 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:12.840 him the most famous actor in the movie. Indeed. Yeah. 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.760 Okay, So Renfield has been institutionalized, so another man is 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.840 tasked with taking over his work. This is Jonathan Harker 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.760 played by Keanu Reeves doing a very good and very 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:32.960 authentic English accent. No, no, oh, I know, poor poor guy. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.879 I read that he like the reason he sounds so 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.879 stilted and that he's like doing a bad job is 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:41.880 because he was trying so hard to make it perfect, 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.760 and Coppola was just like just relax a bit buzz. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:51.000 Less up, buddy, and he's like, I can't. Yeah. So 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.119 he Coppola does still say very no way. I have 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.399 a fun quote about him. He said this was like 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.000 ten years ago. He said, like, Keanu is still a 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:03.040 prince in my eyes. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.920 He saw nice. 0:20:06.160 --> 0:20:08.439 He said, he tried so hard. That was the problem. 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:10.440 He wanted to do it perfectly, and in trying to 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.720 do it perfectly, it came off as stilted. I tried 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.080 to get him to just relax with it and not 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.280 do it so fastidiously. So maybe I wasn't as critical 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.280 of him, but that's because I like him so much 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.960 to this day. He's a prince in my eyes, which 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.399 because his character is not a prince. He's just saying that. 0:20:26.920 --> 0:20:28.280 But Keanu is a prince. 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.800 Yeah. He belongs in i'd say modern movies or maybe 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:33.720 in the future movies. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:36.520 He does have a face for the future. Yeah yeah, 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:37.600 and he and. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:41.560 He does silent and brooty well, but he doesn't necessarily a. 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:43.240 Period piece is not for him. 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:46.680 Yeah, And he also said that he Coplo said he 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.040 cast Keanu in that part because he was looking for 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.240 like a hot guy of the moment, because the part 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:57.080 of Jonathan kind of famously sucks, which no, I mean 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:01.479 for Nicholas Holt that we could. But Jonathan. I think 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.120 Jonathan's a really funny character because he's just like white, 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.879 not going it through the most uncomfort I really liked 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:10.080 it in The New Nose for Autu too. 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:11.440 We're just getting cooked. 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.119 He's just getting he's getting like or just like that 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:19.000 first dinner where it's like this like absurd looking guy 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.240 being like, okay, so you live with me now, and 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.639 he's like, yeah, yes, okay, thank you for having me. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:32.160 I like Jonathan, he acts like I went in that situation. Okay, okay, okay, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:33.440 I've been kidnapped. 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:39.680 Anyway. So Jonathan Harker is about to go to Transylvania 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:45.879 to close some real estate deals of Count Dracula, who 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.879 has been buying property up all over London, although of 0:21:49.960 --> 0:21:53.680 course no one knows that this Dracula is a vampire. 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:59.280 They just think he's like an eccentric rich dude. Jonathan 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.879 technically is, yeah, in addition to being a vampire. So 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:10.320