1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: The volume. All right, Well, good to hoops tonight, you're 2 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: at the volume. Happy twosday everybody. Hope all of you 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: guys are having a great start to your week. It 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: feels good to be back from vacation. Have one last 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: little getaway before we start the season. I went up 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: to the Pacific Northwest again. I got to go to 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: a place I've never been before. We went to Olympic 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: National Park and I got to do My favorite highlight 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: of the trip was the Hurricane Ridge hike, where you 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: get to see like this crazy panorama. You see Mount 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Olympus and all of the rest of the Olympic Range, 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: you see the Strait of Wundafuca, you see Victoria, see 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: Port Angeles. And then we had a clear day so 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: in the distance you could see Mount Baker, which was 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: a volcano I've been trying to see for years and 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: it's just always been covered by clouds or it's been 17 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, in front of some ridge that I couldn't 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: see over something. So it was just like a really 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: cool trip. Got to do some relaxing, spend some time 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: with some friends that were up in the Pacific Northwest. 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Had some of my old friends from Tucson meet us 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: up there. It was a great little getaway, but you 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 1: can sense it. We are a week away from training camp. 24 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: And in addition to being a week away from training camp, 25 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors only have nine basketball players on 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: their roster right now, as the Jonathan Kaminga situation has 27 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: stretched through this entire summer, and so I wanted to 28 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: kind of touch base there and talk about some of 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: the new intel that we got from Sam Sharania and 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: just kind of give my take on where this situation 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: is going at this point. And then at the tail 32 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: end of the show today, I've got four mail bag questions. 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a couple of mini mail bags this week. 34 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: You guys know the joke before we get started. Subscribe 35 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: to Hoops and O YouTube channels. You don't miss any 36 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: more of our videos. Follow me on Twitter at Underscore 37 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: JSNLT so you guys don't miss show announcements. So forget 38 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: about a podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast under 39 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Hoops Tonight. It's also super helpful if you leave a 40 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: rating and a review on that front. 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The Warriors 48 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: have just nine players on the roster for next season. 49 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: Still a lot more exciting than what they were looking 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: at last season, given that Jimmy Butler is now in 51 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: the fold, and we saw a pretty extended stretch of 52 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: successful basketball from Steph, Jimmy and Raymond to end the season. 53 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: And theoretically there are a bunch of players guys like 54 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: Al Horford and Seth Curry and d Anthony Melton who 55 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: are most likely going to sign with Golden State. But 56 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: they're all waiting around for this Jonathan Minga situation and 57 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: nobody is blinking. Not a week ago, Shams Ronnie came 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: out with the report talking about how the Warriors have 59 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: raised their offer to essentially twenty five million per year 60 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: for three years, with a team option on that third year, 61 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: essentially coming up to the annual value that Josh Kitty 62 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: got from Chicago, but obviously shorter term, less guaranteed money. 63 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: Sean's reported that Kaminga's camp has basically told the Warriors 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: will take the if you just flip the team option 65 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: into a player option, basically adding twenty five million in 66 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: guaranteed money to the deal. Essentially, if he takes the 67 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: deal the Warriors are offering and he doesn't perform, either 68 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: for them or for whoever trades for him, there's a 69 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: version of this where the team declines the option and 70 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: he gets capped out at that fifty million, and he 71 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: could be looking at much smaller deals for the remainder 72 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: of his career. That's a potential risk that Kaminga would 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: be taking in that situation. Whereas for the Warriors, if 74 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: they give the player option at seventy five million guaranteed, 75 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: it suddenly becomes a more difficult contract to trade if 76 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Jonathan Kaminga doesn't look good for the first half of 77 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: the season, and anybody who wants to trade for them 78 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: now has to consider the fact that they could be 79 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: paying twenty five million dollars for Jonathan Kaminga three seasons 80 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: from now. That could affect his value, and that essentially 81 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: is the sticking point, and Kaminga's camp is basically looking 82 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: at it saying like, hey, if Josh Gidty can get 83 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: twenty five million for four years, this is a fair 84 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: price for Jonathan. Now my feeling on like the value 85 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: of the contract is complicated. Do I want Jonathan Kaminga 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: on my team at twenty five million per year if 87 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to win the title this year? No, I 88 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: don't think he's in that phase of his career yet. 89 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 1: I don't think he's good enough in like a starring 90 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: role to justify the money, and I don't think he 91 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: can really focus his talents into a smaller role to 92 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: help a serious team win. Yet. Now, would I take 93 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: Jonathan Kaminga on my team for twenty five million a 94 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: year if I was in the middle of a rebuild 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and I was like actively hunting for talent to build 96 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: around for the future, Yeah, I would. Let's take Josh 97 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: Gittty for example. I think Josh Getty's an intriguing player. 98 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: He's improved substantially as a three point shooter. I think 99 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: he's like a decent half court shot creator, just big 100 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: guard who can create advantages for his team. But I 101 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: also don't think that a team that's gonna pay Josh 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: Gitty twenty five million per year and to put the 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: ball in his hands essentially as a number one option 104 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: or number two option, I don't think that team's gonna 105 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: be competing for a title. I don't think Josh Gitty 106 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: has a ton of like untapped upside right like, I 107 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: don't think he's got the potential to become Luca Light 108 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: in five years. I don't. I don't think that's in 109 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: the cards for Josh Gitty. And so that's just too 110 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: much salary to tie up in a player who's at 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: his best with the ball in his hands, but just 112 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: not nearly as good as the other guys who will 113 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: have the ball in their hands around the league in 114 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: high volume. Last year, despite the flashes that he showed, 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: Josh Gutty was less than a point per possession including 116 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: passes in pick and roll in like over six hundred reps. 117 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: He's not flashing some serious, untapped, like all NBA ball 118 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: handler upside. So even if we think Josh Gitty might 119 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: be a better player than Jonathan Kminga right now, I 120 00:05:55,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: actually do think Jonathan Kaminga has real untapped upside I 121 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be an All NBA player or anything. 122 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: That seems to be a long shot at this point, 123 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: but I do think he could make an All Star 124 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: team or two. In fact, like if I was stuck 125 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: in basketball purgatory the way the Chicago Bulls are, I 126 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: would rather be taking my chances with a guy like Kaminga. 127 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: Give him the ball a ton, you won't be as 128 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: good in the short term, but let's see how he 129 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: can develop. Let's see if he becomes a player that 130 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: can make an All Star team. He's got upside. I 131 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: think there's actually value there. So to be clear, like 132 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: if I was in a position where I was rebuilding, 133 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: I think that's a fair contract price for a guy 134 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: like Jonathan Kaminga. The problem is, there was no obvious 135 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: team this summer that had the cap space for Johnathan 136 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: Kaminga and had that type of role available, And the 137 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: Warriors don't have that type of role available. So now 138 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: the Warriors are in a buy. They either have to 139 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: risk signing Kaminga into that type of salary slot, or 140 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: they have to try rate him back and take similarly 141 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: flawed salary, and it appears that they're not willing to 142 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: do so. All we've all heard they don't want Malik Monk. 143 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: I like Malink. I think he'd be a good fit 144 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: in the Golden State system. Like they need scoring pop, 145 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: they need guys who can like really be dynamic coming 146 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: off of dribble handoffs. I think a guy like Malik 147 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: Monk could do that. But he's got another sixty million 148 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: dollars on his deal and the Warriors don't want to 149 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: take that on. And this is where I think the 150 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: Warriors need a little bit of a reality check. Even 151 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: if you signed Jonathan Kaminga to a team friendly deal, 152 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: like what's let's say that Kaminga accepted their first offer, 153 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: which the reports said were like two for forty, so 154 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: twenty million per for two years, and that's not even 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: the offer anymore. The line has moved. The line has 156 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: moved to two for fifty, essentially with that team option 157 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: on the back end. But like, even if he even 158 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: if you did sign him at two for forty, it's 159 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: not like Kaminga is gonna suddenly become some massively valuable 160 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: asset that's going to return a haul in a trade, 161 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: like a bunch of good players and picks. Kaminga on 162 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: his new deal, regardless of whether the Warriors signed him 163 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: to it or someone else signs him to it. It's 164 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: somewhat risky because it's going to be twenty plus million 165 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: with multiple years for a young player that right now 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: isn't very good, but that has a lot of upside, 167 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: that has talent. He's flawed, though, there is risk there 168 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: no matter what when you're taking a large salary slot 169 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: like yeah, So Malik Monk to me is just a 170 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: similar type of risk. It's a little different in the 171 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: sense that he's older and he's more of a known commodity. 172 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: But Malik Monk right now can do more for the 173 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Warriors than Jonathan Kaminga can. So he's a risky contract 174 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: with real value in the immediate future, as opposed to 175 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: Jonathan Minga, who if you did happen to get on 176 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: a deal like that, is also going to tie up 177 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: your books for multiple years and has more risk. And 178 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: there's a version of this where he's not even in 179 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: your rotation when things matter. We know, we just saw 180 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: that last year when you threw him on the court 181 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: after Steph Curry got hurt. So essentially what I'm saying 182 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: is Kaminga's value is Kaminga's value right now? It's Malik 183 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: Monk and a protected first round pick. I don't think 184 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: that if you somehow signed Jonathan Kaminga to a team 185 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: friendly deal, like let's say you get him on that 186 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: deal that you're offering the two plus one with the 187 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: team option. I don't think he's suddenly going to pull 188 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 1: back some awesome young player and an unprotected first round pick. 189 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't think he's going not unless you somehow manage 190 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: to rehab his value. And we just have such a 191 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: large sample size now of him being a clearly clunky 192 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: fit with the team. Like I've heard the Warriors want 193 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: Keegan Murray in the deal. Why would the Kings do that. 194 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: Keegan's a much better player than Jonathan Kaminga. That's a 195 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: different class of asset that you would be bringing back 196 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: in a deal like that. Your chance to turn Jonathan 197 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: Kamina into real asset return was two years ago, when 198 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: he was still on his rookie contract with multiple years remaining, 199 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: with more of an unknown regarding his upside, and you 200 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: were much more likely to get something like a really 201 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: good young player and a unprotected first round pick for 202 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: jk that time has passed. He's no longer a high 203 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: value asset. He's gonna be making twenty plus million in 204 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: the future. So my thing is, like I would have 205 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: just taken them Elik Monk deal. I think he addresses 206 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: a legitimate need with that scoring pop. He's already been 207 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: kind of functioning in a five out offense with a 208 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: passing folkrum big like Demanta Sabonis. You have a track 209 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: record as the Warriors of turning like mediocre defensive guards 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: into guys that can fill a role like I thought 211 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: Buddy Yield was fine defensively last year. Monk's a better 212 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: player than him. You have a specific need for more 213 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: dynamic play at the guard spot in your rotation. He 214 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: brings athleticism. I think he's a look. I rooted for 215 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: him when he was with the Lakers. The dude's competitive, 216 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: he plays hard. He's not perfect, He's got his flaws. 217 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: He's small on defense, he can be a little helter skelter, 218 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: and he can get out of position sometimes. But again, 219 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: you're bringing him into a much smarter organization than where 220 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: he's been in years past. And I get it. It's 221 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: a protected first round pick, and those aren't worth as 222 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: much as they used to be, but it's still a 223 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: positive asset. You're turning Kaminga into a player that can 224 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: help you in the short term. Yeah, Okay, Malik Monk's 225 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: got twenty million on the books. Three years from now, 226 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: who cares. You're most likely blowing the team up at 227 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: that point. This this feels like very much like a 228 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: two year window where you're trying to make this happen 229 00:11:57,679 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: and you get a positive asset in the form of 230 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: pick that you can then either package in the middle 231 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: of the season for an all in type of move 232 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: or you can hold for the future rebuild. I just 233 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna get more down the line. I 234 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: don't think there's some substantially better offer in February, So 235 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: you might as well go into camp with your roster set, 236 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: give him a league Monk, a chance to really learn 237 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: the system, give him a full training camp. But I mean, 238 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: all indications are that that deal is dead on the 239 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Warriors front. They either want the pick protections removed or 240 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: they want a better player in, like a guy like 241 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: Keegan Murray. And so it just feels like the latest 242 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: example of the Warriors passing the buck on these young 243 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: players on the situation with these young players, which is 244 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: something they've been doing for years now in this era, 245 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: and it's just unfortunate because it just feels foolish for 246 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: everybody involved now. And honestly, like, even if the Warriors 247 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: do somehow, let's say they flip it to a player 248 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: option and you give Kaminga the three for seventy five, 249 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: it's just gonna be the exact same situation this year, 250 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: him being a clunky fit in and out of the rotation, 251 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: weak trade offers coming in return that involves some sort 252 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: of flawed player coming back and some sort of protected 253 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: draft asset. I think there's just a little bit of 254 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: a reality check that Golden State needs at this point. 255 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some mailback questions and then 256 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,719 Speaker 1: we'll get out of here for today. Today's show is 257 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, hard Rock Bet. 258 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: We're still a month away from basketball tip off, but 259 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: with hard Rock Bet, the action never stops. 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If you or someone 283 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 284 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: one eight hundred and nine with it. Gambling problem called 285 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: one eight hundred gambler in Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, 286 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: or Virginia. Simple question, what's the highest you could see 287 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: jokics climb all time? Such a tough guy to put 288 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: up against other all timers, particularly bigs, because of his 289 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: lack of rim protection as a center. Sometimes I feel 290 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: you're almost better off not judging him as a big, 291 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: But I truly think he finished his top ten all time. 292 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: Keep up the good work, Jason, love the show. Thank 293 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: you so much for the kind words. I think the 294 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: point you're making about him being viewed as a center 295 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: is very interesting because it's not so much that I 296 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: don't judge him as a big as it is that 297 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: I just judge him more as an offensive engine. Right Like, 298 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: for instance, when you're talking about Larry Bird all Time. 299 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: Larry Bird was a guy who certainly wasn't a bad 300 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: defensive player, but he was known for being the offensive 301 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: engine of the Boston Celtics. Whereas you look at the 302 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: centers in the all time list, the Chema lodged One's 303 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Bill Russell. When you're looking at those guys, you're looking 304 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: at them as defensive fulcrums, which obviously Jokic is not. 305 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: But as we've talked about, like Steph Curry, for me, 306 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: ranks really high. I think he's the fifth best perimeter 307 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: player of all time, somewhere in the back half of 308 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: the top ten if you include centers. Steph is really 309 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: high for me. And that's not a guy that you're 310 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: anchoring a defense around. So like I see, Jokic is 311 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: fitting more than mold of Steph as like a guy 312 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: that you're putting on the list as one of the 313 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: great offensive players to ever play the game. I think 314 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: he's personally the best offensive player I've ever seen play 315 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: the game. The problem is with the top ten lists 316 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: or all time lists, is you're running into some insane resumes. 317 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: You talk about Lebron with four championships, Michael Jordan with 318 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: six championships. You talked about Kobe, Like when you start 319 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: to look at Kobe's resume, and I think he's just 320 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: become a profoundly underrated player over time. The dude's won 321 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: five titles and like, okay, yeah he won three. With Shaq, 322 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: he won two in a row. How many players in 323 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: NBA his have won multiple consecutive championships. That's a real 324 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: accomplishment on that resume. You look at Steph with with 325 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: his four championships, you look at Larry Bird with his three, 326 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: you look at Magic Johnson with his five. You're running 327 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: into these crazy lists. The Chema Lagoon in the middle 328 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: of the nineties, rips off back to back championships, looks 329 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: like the best player in the league a couple of 330 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: years in a row. It's just the resumes get so 331 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: insane that it feels like it's going to be tough 332 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: for Jokic to move too much higher. Now, do I 333 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: think that you have to look at it in terms 334 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: of just counting championships? Of course not. It's way more 335 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: complicated than that. The game of basketball is way more 336 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: complicated than that. But in order for Jokic to get 337 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: into that top ten and to really entrench himself there, 338 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to win two more And like, 339 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: it's just feels like a pretty short window for the Nuggets, 340 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: right now, you'd have to win this year and probably 341 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: within the following two years after that, and that's just 342 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: a lot to ask, So, like, do I think he 343 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: has that potential? Certainly I could. Could I see universe 344 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: where Yokich wins the next two championships? Of course he can. 345 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: It's just really hard. The league is super deep, there's 346 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: all these young players coming up, there's so many good 347 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: teams right now. So it's just it feels to me 348 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: like a long shot that he actually gets into the 349 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: top ten because of the strength of the resumes that 350 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: he'll have to cross in order to get there. But 351 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: certainly it's a possibility. It's just you start looking up, 352 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: you start looking at the guys at the top of 353 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: that list, and it's just an insane set of talent 354 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: that accomplished a lot in this league. Next question more 355 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: of a philosophical one here, Jason. You obviously have a 356 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: pension for offensive gurus and orchestrators like Luka and Jokic 357 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: over high level scorers, and that's fine, but don't forget 358 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: the last two champions were led by players that were 359 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: distinctly not offensive hubs, but were excellent at what they did. 360 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: Shay and tatem And before Jokic and twenty three, and 361 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: both Giannis and Kawhi led their teams to championships also 362 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: without being offensive hubs. Could there be an actual ceiling 363 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: for teams which are led by do it all offensive hubs. 364 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. When I'm talking about the foundational 365 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: player that you're building a team around, we're talking about 366 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: it within the context of starting from scratch. Ultimately, basketball 367 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: is a team sport, and as you start to look 368 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: through those situations, they were kind of roster abnormalities, right 369 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: Like Kawhi Entard won the title with the twenty nineteen 370 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: Raptors because they were a team that literally was ripping 371 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: off sixty win seasons with Demarta Rosen as their best player. 372 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: They successfully flip for Kawhi, and Kawhi is able to 373 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: push them over the top into winning the championship. That 374 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 1: is not starting with Kawhi and then building a championship 375 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: team around him. He was effectively a mercenary that became 376 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: the tip of the spear and helped them win the 377 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: title Oklahoma City. He has an insane amount of talent 378 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: because they were a beneficiary of one of the most 379 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: lopside in retrospect lopsided trades in NBA history. At the time, 380 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: obviously it felt normal, but as we look back, you 381 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: look at they got the better player in the trade 382 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: and an insane amount of draft assets that has allowed 383 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: them to pile up an insane amount of uniquely talented 384 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: players that you don't typically see on a roster. Shake 385 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: Gilders Alexander has pushed them over the top into being champions. 386 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: But that is a unique roster situation. When I'm talking about, 387 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: like in Boston, sane thing, like they literally had five 388 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: players who on the open market would fetch north of 389 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars a year. So yes, you can't. You 390 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: can win a championship with any archetype of player, but 391 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: if I'm starting from scratch in a vacuum, I want 392 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: to have it be a player that is easiest to 393 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: build around and for me if I am for me, 394 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: Like one of my overarching basketball philosophies is that offense 395 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: flows down from advantage creation. Defense flows down, and you 396 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: obviously need defensive talent, but defensive defense has a lot 397 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: to do with coaching. Defense has a lot to do 398 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: with buy in. Defense has a lot to do with 399 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: individual players from the start of the season, building connectivity 400 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: in their defensive rotations. We have seen so many examples 401 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: of teams with mediocre defensive talent win the title because 402 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: they came together, like the twenty sixteen Calves for example, 403 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: or the twenty twenty three Nuggets. We've seen that done. 404 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: But to me, offense flows down from advantage creation, and 405 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: so for me, if I'm starting from scratch, I think 406 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: it's easiest to build a championship level roster around a 407 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: top end offensive initiator. But that's just my basketball philosophy. 408 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: And again, like again, essentially, what I'm saying is like, yeah, 409 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: if we start looking at individual situations, like yeah, like 410 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: if the Toronto Raptors would have traded Demarta Rosen and 411 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: got back Luka Doncicic right now, I also think they 412 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: win the title. I literally said in our player rankings 413 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: that if you took this version of Luca, the one 414 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: we saw in EuroBasket and dropped it on last year's 415 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: thunder team, I think they win the title. And I 416 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 1: think they win it more easily, especially in the playoff runt. 417 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: So the point I'm trying to make is like, yeah, 418 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: we as we look at individual situations, and individual situations 419 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: that led to massive accumulations of talent. You can win 420 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: with any type of best player, but if I'm starting 421 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: from scratch in a vacuum, I believe it is easiest 422 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: to build a championship team around a supreme offensive engine, 423 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: because from there I have the flexibility to bring in 424 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: defensive players that play well with an advantage. Like a 425 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: lot of guys who can do jobs on defense but 426 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: struggle with offense. But the job is so easy for 427 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: them because they're playing with such insane advantages that they 428 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: become useful offensive players. I like my ability to build 429 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: around that type of player, versus if I have an 430 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: elite score, I now have to like figure out how 431 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: am I building the rest of the offense. Can I 432 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: play this flawed defensive player, this defensive minded player who 433 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: is flawed on offense. Can I play him alongside a 434 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: player that doesn't do a great job handling double teams 435 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: or that doesn't create a ton of advantages throughout the game. 436 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: I just think it's harder. By the way, I'm not 437 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: saying that there's some chasm. I'm not saying that like 438 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: it's offensive initiators and then everyone else sucks I'm just saying, 439 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: if I'm ranking the archetypes of players, I'm gonna go 440 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: with that advantage creating offensive engine type of offensive player. 441 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: Then probably the supreme two way score, then probably the 442 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: defensive anchor big you know, that Anthony Davis type of player. 443 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: It's one of the big kind of like paths for 444 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: Victor winn Minyama and his development. Is he going to 445 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: become a supreme scorer? Is he going to just be 446 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: this like defensive hub who never really becomes the elite 447 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 1: scorer that he needs to be. That's going to be 448 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: a big part of what helps Victor women Yama reach 449 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: his ultimate potential. But for me, if I'm starting from 450 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: scratch in a vacuum, I want that offensive engine archetype. 451 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 1: A couple questions surrounding the top ten lists that we 452 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: did last week, Hi, Jason Huges Fan since like twenty 453 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: twenty three, is so, I'm curious to see your reasoning 454 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: and picking Shaq's two thousand and one playoff run over 455 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: his two thousand playoff runt. I can see why the 456 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: two thousand and one plaoff run can be picked, but 457 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: in my opinion, the two thousand and one is better 458 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: to start, the workload was drastically different, which was mostly 459 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: due to Kobe really coming into his own during the 460 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: two thousand and one playoffs. The usage right between the 461 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: two runs is mostly the same, but that leans to 462 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: two thousand, when he was able to win the title 463 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: while Kobe wasn't as reliable yet as a co star. 464 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: There were a legitimate slugfest series that Shack and probably 465 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: only Shaq could have bailed them out of. And I 466 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: can get behind the two thousand and one playoff run 467 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: being the better all time team, but in terms of 468 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: individual dominance, I think the two thousand Shack was a 469 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: smidge better, even if we're nitpicking at the end of 470 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: the day. Also, Shaq was scoring Champ and regular season 471 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: MVP during two thousand, which is not as important to me, 472 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: but still our nice notches to have. Thank you if 473 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: you read this. So here's the deal. I agree with 474 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: everything that you're saying. I do think that Shack in 475 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: that year two thousand season was just more locked in 476 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: from start to finish and was a better player, but 477 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: we were just operating within confines of that list. For me, 478 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: it was the last twenty five seasons, so that was 479 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna be from two thousand and one to twenty twenty five. 480 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: We had similar examples, Like when we were talking about 481 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: I kind of like Jerry rigged the system a little 482 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: bit to fit to fit the Reggie Miller Pacers in there, 483 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: because I wanted to include that year two thousand run 484 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: as a run where they were pretty close. But it 485 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: was like kind of breaking the rules a little bit 486 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: because I was going from two thousand and one to 487 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, So instead I highlighted the twenty fourteen 488 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: that came very close to beating the Pistons, right, So 489 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: like I was just kind of rating within those confines, 490 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and to me, that two thousand and one team was 491 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: a reasonable way for me to capitalize on that within 492 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: the rules of the list. Last question, I had a 493 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: lot of people talking about how I forgot or didn't 494 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: have Kevin Garnett in my top Defenders list. It was 495 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: literally just accidental oversight I don't have. It wasn't like 496 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: I was trying to disrespect Kevin in any way. It's 497 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: just I'm piecing together five top ten lists and it's 498 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 1: just something slipped through the cracks. If you guys want 499 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: to hear my thoughts on KG and his defense and 500 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: his ceiling. I went over it pretty extensively in our 501 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: Top ten Peaks video, which Kevin Garnett did make on Monday. 502 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: So for all of you wondering why that happened, it 503 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 1: was literally just an accident on my part, just to 504 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: oversight something that slipped through the cracks. All right, guys, 505 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: it's all I have for today. There's always a sincerely 506 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: appreciate you guys for supporting us and supporting the show. 507 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: We'll be back later this week with another one of 508 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: those live streams on playback, as well as a video 509 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: talking about the Los Angeles Clippers and some more mailbag questions. 510 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: I will see you guys then