1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Hannah Elliott and 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller. 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 2: This is hot Pursuit coming up on today. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: No wait, what on today? That we understand you, Matt, 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: just lean into it. 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: We will take a look back at the highs and 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 2: lows of the year. 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: What brands busted through and who missed the mark. 9 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: We got to drive so many cars in twenty twenty five. 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: We'll talk about the ones we loved and the ones 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: that fell short. Will we talk about the ones that 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 2: fell short? Are we going? 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: Honestly, the worst thing I like doing with cars that 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: fall short is I just don't talk about them at all. 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: I banished them to non existence, right because I don't 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: want to think negative thoughts, which probably isn't great because 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm a car critic. 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: But I also think, and this is, you know, this 19 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: is a point that I make a lot. Even the 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: ones that fall short are usually fantastic because we drive 21 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: pretty expensive cars, like they're mostly more than fifty thousand 22 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: dollars a piece, so more than the average cost, and 23 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: they're brand new and hopefully they've been prepared, expect and 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: prepared perfectly. So even the ones that kind of suck, 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: don't suck. 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: Well, Look, it's not like it's a Saturn or a 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Pontiac or something you know from the eighties or ninth like. No, 28 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: of course, everything new now is million miles in advance 29 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: of what we were driving decades ago. They're safer, they're 30 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: slightly more efficient, you know, they fit and finish is better. Yes, 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: this is all relative, and we are very spoiled. We're 32 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: aware of that. Yeah, but we can still nitpick. 33 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: For sure, and we will. I will. I just haven't 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 2: really thought about what has fallen short and there are 35 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: some experiences that I've had. For example, I was arriving 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: what was it. I think it was either a GMC 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: Yukon or a Chevy Tahoe, you know, one of those 38 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: big GM trucks that I love so much. But it 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: was on like twenty fours and so if you look 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 2: at it wrong, you get a flat tire. And then 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: I had to change the tire myself, which normally I 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: pride myself on doing that quickly and well, and it 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: took me like an hour and a half with my 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: five year old daughter. 45 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: So did you talk about that on this podcast? Matt. 46 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm pretty I'm pretty sure, but I've had you know, 47 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: I've had a number of occasions this. 48 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: Year the battery story where you ran out of charge. 49 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 2: Yes, well, a number of occasions this year where no 50 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: these giant wheels, so twenty two's are twenty fours. And 51 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 2: you know we're in America, so obviously the infrastructure is horrendous, right, 52 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 2: It's not like we're in Spain, where the roads are beautiful. 53 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: Where things are perfect. 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 2: So when you get that kind of wheel and like 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 2: low pro tires, it's just they all pop. So I've 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: had a number of occasions where I burst tires on 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: New York commutes. 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, When that happens, do you 59 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: tell the press guys, the fleet managers? But you did 60 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: actually try to make a valiant effort to change it yourself. 61 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: You didn't just call them and say help, come get me. 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: First person I call is my boy Eric. No, I 63 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: do not call Pierre. Why not because Pierre gets super 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: pissed off. So you know, Pierre will be like, do 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: you know that that wheel costs like more than your paycheck? 66 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: Whereas Eric is like, bring it to the dealer, will 67 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: deal with it. 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: So Pierre'll slap you with a Scarf. 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: He's a pretty serious dude. 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. It gets so wound up. 71 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: It's the best. 72 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I call those guys straight away. And 73 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: but yeah, I have a real problem with wheels and 74 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: jen beyond just the size of wheels and the profile 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: of tires. I'm always curbing wheels. 76 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: Like, let me ask you, this, are wheels your new 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: sound system? Because you know, I feel like for a 78 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: while you went through this phase where you kind of 79 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: hated every sound system, but now it sounds like maybe 80 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: you hate every wheel. 81 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: Well, no, what's I think what's happened is, for one thing, 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: the wheels are getting more and more difficult to deal 83 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: with because they're so big and they're not at all recessed, 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 2: and even on like off roady vehicles or on trucks, 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: it's a cinch to curb them and then feel horrible 86 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: about yourself for the rest of the day. 87 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: I know, it's yeah, I know, I don't want that. 88 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: Give me Steely's, you know. 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: That's that's why with this recent Audi RS six wagon 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: that we had, I literally was parking that two feet 91 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: away from the curb. I don't even care me too. 92 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: I mean, I was terrified with those because they stick 93 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: out so far. 94 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: In fact, I would say on so, the Audi RS 95 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: is obviously one of the greatest vehicles I've driven this year, 96 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 2: definitely a high. The wheels as beautiful as they are, 97 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 2: as expensive as they look, I would instantly change them 98 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: out if I own. 99 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: That car, because you'd be too stressed about them. 100 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I need to take a taxi from my 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: parking spot to the sidewalk. You know, I'm so afraid 102 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: of scratching them, but since it was an Audi, I didn't. 103 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: I only scratch wheels on Aston, Martin's and Mercedes, which 104 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: are you know, also Hella expensive and make me feel 105 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: super guilty. Yeah, no, I would. I wouldn't say they're 106 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 2: my new stereo, but I'm paying much more attention to them, 107 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: and car stereos just never seem to impress too much. 108 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: I'm waiting for this Dolby Atmos revolution. 109 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: You know what I think I might this might take 110 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: us into our next segment. Yeah, but I am loving 111 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,119 Speaker 1: the sound system and the thing that I'm driving this week, 112 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 1: and maybe we can tease it and we can talk 113 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: about it later. But even today I was thinking, what 114 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: sound system is this? I'm hearing things I haven't heard 115 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: before and songs that I've listened to for years. 116 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 2: All right, let's just put a pin in that, because 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 2: I do want to come back in the next great 118 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: segment talk about it. But I want to hear some 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: of your lows, because it's not all just about wheels 120 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 2: and tires, Like, what are the things that have disappointed 121 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: you in the cars you've driven this year? 122 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: Okay, I feel a little bit bad about saying this, 123 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: but I am hard pressed to find a low, really, 124 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 1: because as you said, many of the cars that we 125 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: drive are so exceptional, and it really is a challenge 126 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 1: to pick out to really be nitpicky and pick things 127 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: that you didn't like. But I will say a big 128 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: miss for me was the key fob on the Cadillac Celestic. 129 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 1: And I know, oh, I've spoken about this before, but 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: just as a refresher, this is the car that Cadillacs 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: spent years developing. It kind of looks like a very 132 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: long while. If you want to say it's a three 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars wagon, I won't fight you on it. 134 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: And this is the car they said that was going 135 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: to go up against or is supposed to go up 136 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: against Rolls Royce. It's an electric vehicle. It does it 137 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: can look cool and some colors in some lights. I 138 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: don't really have equibble with the car itself, but because 139 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: we're being so nitpicky, the key fob that they gave 140 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: me for that was a plastic square that I couldn't 141 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: believe it because they had spent because when I drove 142 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: the car that I spent three hours getting an earful 143 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: about every minute detail that they developed and tooled and 144 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, made in house, and they worked with all 145 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: of these European designers and all of this special stuff 146 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: to make the car so signature and so refined and 147 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: all this stuff, and then they hand me this plastic 148 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: keyfob and it was such a disconnect for such an 149 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: important thing because of all of this big car, the 150 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: one thing that I'm actually touching, holding in my hand, 151 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: carrying with me, looking at, showing other people to brag 152 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: is the key fob. So that was really a big 153 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: miss for me, unfortunately. And I did ask if they're 154 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: developing anything new to go along with it, and they 155 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: said they're going to develop an app that can unlock 156 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: the car, and maybe there will be something else in 157 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: the future. 158 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 2: But not a new keyfob because I thought, I mean, 159 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: I thought they were going to develop a more premium, 160 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: higher end right. 161 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: So I drove the car in April. At the time 162 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: of my review, they said they were quote unquote working 163 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: on it. Now. In fairness, I should really reach out 164 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: to them and say, hey, how's that new keyfob coming, 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: But at the time they told me, you know, they 166 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: will have an app developed that can unlock the car 167 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about a keypop at all. 168 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: And then you know, potentially later on down the. 169 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: Road, I will say, I don't mind the leather. It's 170 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: got like a little leather carrying case, huh. And also 171 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: you've got great. 172 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: Hands, thanks because I used my mom for that. 173 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 2: I'm looking back at your story the Celastic and you're 174 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: there's a picture of you holding the key fob, which 175 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: was really cool, like poison green nail polish, and it's 176 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: at least they put it in a sleeve, and I 177 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: think that's what they probably they were like, we have 178 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: to make this better, and someone. 179 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: You know what, I think, I think the sleeve made 180 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: it worse because it made it even more bulky, and 181 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: the stitching on the sleeve is remind me of stitching 182 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: on like a baseball glove, which again is not the look. 183 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: So as a woman, I'm thinking I might just like 184 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: slip it into the pocket of like some slim pants 185 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: or a suit or whatever, and it ruins the line 186 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: of my jacket or my pants anyway, and the sleeve 187 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: makes it worse. 188 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: Well, I will say that my biggest key problem this 189 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 2: year was the Rivian R one s Oh yeah, and 190 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: they only gave me a little card like the size 191 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: of a credit card, which would be fine in your 192 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 2: slim line pants. 193 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,359 Speaker 1: Uh flimline pants. 194 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: But I couldn't like lock and unlock the car. 195 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: With that, and since they're like an idiot. 196 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 2: It made me feel like a total total idiot. And 197 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: to be fair, since then, I've gotten so much email 198 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: from Rivian, you know, owners and drivers who are like, hey, 199 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: come over here, I'll teach you how to use that. 200 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: You know, like there is a way to do it, 201 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 2: But I don't have to be. 202 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: Taught how to unlock a car. That's the other thing. 203 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: It makes me remember that scene in Zoolander when they're 204 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: like banging on the computer like monkeys and trying to 205 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: figure out they're trying to get the files that are 206 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: in the computer. That is literally how I feel when 207 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: I'm trying to break into these cars using a credit 208 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: card that you have to hold a certain way, but 209 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: it can't be wet, but you can't be you know, 210 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: it can't be certain things, and yeah, like I'm just 211 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: trying to get in my car. You need to get 212 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 1: to work, man. 213 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 214 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: No. 215 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: I had frankly had that feeling with a lot of 216 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: aspects of the Ribban, where it's like, this thing is awesome, 217 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: but you know what's. 218 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: Really bad the neighbor that the neighbor that I don't 219 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: like drives a Ribban. 220 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 221 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: Do you have that in your life where there's somebody 222 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: that you don't like in the car they drive. It 223 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of ruins the car that they drive because you're like. 224 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: Oh, I I really like almost everyone I know. 225 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: You do. That's such a great thing, and everyone feels it. 226 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: There are not many people. 227 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: I'm I'm more what do I want to say, choosie? 228 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: Yes? 229 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: Discerning? No? I mean no, because it is really lovely 230 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: that you genuinely do like everyone and most people feel 231 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: that you like them. I'm a little more. 232 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 2: What's the word, I think discerning is the right word, 233 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 2: by the way. I also to get back to our 234 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: initial discussion about things we like and things we don't. 235 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: There were so many things I loved this year that 236 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think I was going to so me too. 237 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: Top of my list is the Aston Martin Vanquish. Now, yes, 238 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be amazing, but I 239 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: feel like Aston Martin finally got so many things right 240 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 2: that people have been complaining about for a while. And 241 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 2: that is a supercar. I don't know if it's worth 242 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: the six hundred thousand dollars that's priced at, but if 243 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: you have that kind of money and you're looking for 244 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: some exclusivity, you know, and everybody in your neighborhood has Ferraris, 245 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: it makes sense to me. And it was just they 246 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: nailed it on design, They nailed it on the power beautiful. Yes, 247 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: everything inside felt you know. The screens. While I wouldn't 248 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: have chosen screens myself, they weren't horrible. You know, everything 249 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: worked better than expected, including the like who cares about 250 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: car player and an Aston Martin Vanquish you care about 251 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: the twelve cylinder motor But it does have the best 252 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: car play I've ever used. So yeah, that's that's one 253 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 2: of the things that really positively surprised me this year. 254 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: I love that. That's a really good point. And they 255 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: have made so much. They really have improved their interior. 256 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: I remember back in the day it really was like 257 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: objectively not competitive, and now it's really so much better, 258 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and we always say like we really want aston to 259 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: continue to improve and it's so beautiful. And there was something, Oh, 260 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you, So you're saying that 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: you would get that over a Ferrari potentially just to 262 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: be a little bit different. 263 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 2: Well, to be clear, and now that we know each 264 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: other so well, you I'm sure are aware that I 265 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: would prefer to have a Ferrari like a three h 266 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 2: eight yes or but for new or a six twelve 267 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 2: yes for a new thing. I haven't driven the Ferrari 268 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 2: Roma or the Amalfi or. 269 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: Drive that this weekend. 270 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: Oh you're so lucky. 271 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: I'll come back and tell you all about it. 272 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: But I love the shapes. I love the design of those, 273 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: and I'm no longer butt hurt about the turbous of 274 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 2: Ferrari engines at the low end. 275 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: What's the Italian word for butt hurt? I am translation here. 276 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like there is an argument to be 277 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: made for the Aston Martin over Ferrari. However, I have 278 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: very little experience with Ferrari's and I've driven a lot. 279 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: Of asteris I predict that'll change. That's maybe that's one 280 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: of our goals for twenty twenty. 281 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: Sakes, I I also want to say so, I was 282 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: thinking about what I've driven this year and what surprised me. 283 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: When the Chevy Blazer SS e V showed up in 284 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: my driveway, I thought, well, here's what I'm not gonna 285 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: drive this week, you know. And you know, when you 286 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: get a press car that you from the bat, from 287 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: the get go, you realize you're not gonna move it 288 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: and they're gonna come back a week later and pick 289 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: up something as zero miles added. But then I did 290 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: start to drive it, and I think from the outside 291 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: it still remains more unimpressive than the Honda Prologue, but 292 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: the driving experience really impressed me. It's it felt like 293 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: an autobon cruiser. It's heavy, but it feels like it 294 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: has like so much power and presence and stability, and 295 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: it's electric but it automatically like told me where the 296 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: fast charging stations are and essentially did it for me. 297 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 2: It took twelve minutes to fill the whole thing up. 298 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: And that's one of the things like I tell somebody 299 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: that like at cocktail parties, and it's a conversation stopper 300 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: because on the one hand they're surprised, and on the 301 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: other hand, they don't really feel like talking to me 302 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: about cars anymore because they think I'm. 303 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: That's just clue, That's how I'm feeling right now. No, 304 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: just kidding. I only say that because I haven't driven it, 305 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: and but I know what it looks like, and so 306 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: my reaction is the exact same as you, which is like, 307 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: how can this we get? 308 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: It's just super comfyed, its super powerful, and I feel 309 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: like GM has killed it with EV's like the I 310 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: don't know the chemistry and the Ultium platform, but they 311 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: have so much range, they have so much power. I 312 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: had such a great time in the for example, Sierra GMC, 313 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: Sierra v EVU so luxurious. 314 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: Mary Barra, come talk to us, yes, because I do 315 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: think as twenty twenty six unfolds, we are going to 316 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: see now all of these choices that automakers have made 317 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: play out in real time. And we're going to start 318 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: to see the consequences of some of these choices. For instance, 319 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: Ford made a very different choice about EV's than General 320 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: Motors yep Son. It's gonna start to play out, which 321 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: I think will be really interesting, And it would be 322 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: great to hear from Mary because I don't think she's 323 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: gonna be at GM forever and this might be, you know, 324 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: what she's set up to unfold in twenty twenty six 325 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: and beyond might be her legacy. 326 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. By the way, you say you don't 327 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: think she's gonna be a GMCA forever, because where do 328 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: you think she's gonna go. 329 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: She's not going to live for I think she'll retire 330 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: eventually once this. I think she's very goal oriented. Admittedly 331 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: my exposure to her has been limited, but just following 332 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: the industry, I think she's very goal oriented. And once 333 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: the task of basically establishing GM in this new world 334 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: of evs is done, or at least in a safe place, 335 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: that to me would be a natural exit for her 336 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: to retire and time with her family exactly, And that 337 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: would be a really strong legacy to leave to leave. 338 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: I wonder if she'll be pulled into government because. 339 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: Oh that'd be interesting, Yeah, really interesting. 340 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 2: Because she's been so successful there on so many levels, 341 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: and she's obviously an incredibly talented leader, and that doesn't 342 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: just it doesn't have to be limited just to corporate 343 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 2: back to cars. What has impressed you this year? Like, 344 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: what has anything positively surprised you? And I know you're gonna. 345 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write a column about that, but I also 346 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: have a column going live on Monday that we can 347 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: talk about after the break about the brands that did 348 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: really well this year, and there's one in particular that 349 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: was a huge standout. 350 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: All Right, that's all ahead on Hot Pursuit. That's coming 351 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: up next. That's after this. It's next. Stay with us, 352 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: stick with us. We're back in two. All right. Now, 353 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 2: let's talk about while we teased Hannah, your column that's 354 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 2: coming out on Monday. I'm excited to hear about the 355 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 2: brands that you think surprised this year or that will 356 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: surprise in twenty twenty six. What's the story. 357 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: Well, this may not be a surprise to someone. We've 358 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: already touched on it a little bit, but the real 359 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: shining star of twenty twenty six is Ferrari And again like, 360 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: I don't think this will be a huge surprise, but 361 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: to maintain such big profit margins, to have order books 362 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 1: full until twenty twenty seven, to basically just have the 363 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: average price of its new vehicles like three and four 364 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: times the average price of everybody else in the luxury 365 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: segment just puts every other of its luxury rivals to shame. 366 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: And yes, it's been a hard year for everyone, including Ferrari. 367 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: They have readjusted targets, especially with electrification, which I actually 368 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: think is probably smart. But still at the end of 369 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: the day, Ferrari has come out of twenty twenty five 370 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: looking really good. And I also think that's because they're 371 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: less exposed in China. Like we know Porsche in particular 372 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: got really hit in China with the EV thing. Ferrari 373 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: sells like ten percent of its vehicles in China, so 374 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: it's not really exposed there as much as other luxury brands. 375 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: So my crown jewel of twenty twenty five, and this 376 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: is not really a surprise to any of our analysts, 377 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: is Ferrari. 378 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: That's interesting. I also had a chance this year to 379 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: talk to Benedetto Vina, the CEO Ferrari, and I sensed 380 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: a willingness though he wasn't spilling the beans, I sensed 381 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 2: a willingness in him to go back to a manual 382 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 2: transmission to three pedals. 383 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: He sensed it. Yes, he got this vibe. 384 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: He was implying that they you know that they they 385 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: can do that in their sort of top end like 386 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: one off models. And we've seen other companies asked and 387 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 2: Martin for example, do that for their you know, million 388 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: dollar hypercars. But it seemed also he was asking me, 389 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: you know what I would do, and you know I 390 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: want the take rate to be high, so I would. 391 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: I think you have to plan it yet to be 392 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: strategic about it, but I think there's a lot more 393 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 2: room for manual transmissions in the really expensive cars, right. 394 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: I'll never forget what the Bentley CEO told us a 395 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, Frank Frank Wallacer Frank Stephen Walsher 396 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: about the take rate for the GT three, for the 397 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: manual transmission in the GT three because they had been 398 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: selling you know, basse carreras or maybe gts is where 399 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 2: the take rate on the manual was only twenty percent 400 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: or less. The engineers bet him that it wouldn't be 401 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: beat that yeah, GT three and he was like, oh, 402 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: it'll definitely be better than twenty. It turned out to 403 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: be seventy percent and eat that. Yeah. The lesson is, though, 404 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: as you climb up the price scale, you know, you 405 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: you weed out people who are like daily drivers or 406 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: you know, like us, and you get these like real 407 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: enthusiasts with money to back it up. And of course 408 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: they're gonna pick a manual transmission because this is a 409 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: car that's going to go in their museum like gargantuan 410 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 2: garage and maybe be driven two or three times a year. 411 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: Why would they want a PDK. They're not tracking it, 412 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: or at least that's how I read it. So yeah, 413 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: Ferrari a Ferrari has just crushed it. And it was 414 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: weird to see the stock crater this year after the Capitol. 415 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it hasn't been a good It hasn't been like 416 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,479 Speaker 1: a perfect year for them, admittedly, but it hasn't been 417 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: for anybody. 418 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to talk about Audi because. 419 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: Well, nowaday's one of my ones to watch. 420 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because that. 421 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: Is in the story, but it's a one to watch. 422 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it just seems like Audi is starting to 423 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 2: I think They've not done poorly. I've never driven an 424 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: Audi where I thought this is lame. 425 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, of course, but sometimes I've driven them and 426 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: thought I wish there was a little bit more. I 427 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: wish there was something grabbing my stomach, a little bit more. 428 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: A little bit more Audi and less Volkswagen. 429 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 1: Yes, and yes, it looks like they have it in 430 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,239 Speaker 1: them too. I was just going to say, like, this 431 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: company has been around racing to racing success for one 432 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: hundred years. Let's not forget Tom Christiansen winning an Audi's 433 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: you know at Laman. The heritage is there. Of course, 434 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: we saw the concept, see that they debuted in September 435 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: and Milan that is I think. I think it looked cool. 436 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 1: I think it's a good indicator of where they're going 437 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: to go. And let's not forget they're joining Formula one 438 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: in the screen, which is going to be a huge 439 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: shot of adrenaline for them, both just from a technology 440 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: but also marketing standpoint, a glamour standpoint. I think you're 441 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: totally right about that, Matt. I'm really looking forward to 442 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: seeing what they do. 443 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 2: I like, can't wait to watch Formula one pretty soon. 444 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 1: I know, who are you watching Cadillac. Are you watching Audi? 445 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, who are you gonna? 446 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,719 Speaker 1: We're curious about Audi Cadillac. 447 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: The competition is just getting so much more intense in 448 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: terms of brands that touch me personally on a regular basis. Yes, yes, 449 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: I just want to see how how it all works out. 450 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 2: And I hope somehow Liberty Media figures out a way 451 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: to inject more excitement into this. I mean, this season 452 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 2: turned out to be pretty exciting at the end, but 453 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: the individual races need to have more passing, you know, 454 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: And I don't know how how they do that. But 455 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: what are the other takeaways from your story? If you I. 456 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: Will, Let's talk about Let's talk about one company that 457 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: really struggled, and again this is not going to be 458 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: a surprise, but we should talk about it, which is Porscha. Yeah, 459 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: and you know, I would say it to be kicked 460 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: off of Germany's stock index. They're there, They're blue chip 461 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: index is a huge like loss of face for them, 462 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: and that is an indicator of everything else that has 463 00:24:54,400 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: been going on for Porsia. And obviously Porsche looks to 464 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: me the worst because it was at the heights, it 465 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: was so hyped up. 466 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: The most profitable automaker in the world. 467 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And when it was kicked off of this 468 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: German stock index, the shares had fallen over thirty percent 469 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: from the previous year. It has said that it will 470 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: barely even make a profit in twenty twenty five. So 471 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: that's unbelievable only because Portia has been so dominant, and 472 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: because the nine to eleven is still I think the 473 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: Pinnacle sports car for the money, I still think it 474 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: is by far the Swiss army knife. If you have, 475 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: you can't beat it in terms of every of the 476 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 1: value and everything it gives and how it drives. It's very, 477 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: very very close to perfect. So it's just wild to 478 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: see this incredible product that we all know and drive 479 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: often and then see the company struggle. Also, let's not 480 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: forget their ce d Oliver Bloomer, you know, was doing 481 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: a double duty role at BW and Porsche for far 482 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: two time. Yeah, and I think that was our strain. 483 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd love to hear your thoughts. 484 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 2: Well. For one thing, we have a fantastic story on 485 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 2: Bloomber dot Common on the Bloomberg terminal about the Porsche 486 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: PSH family and how they have kind of borrowed themselves 487 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: into a corner to some extent. But this is a 488 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: clan that is while they're storied for everything we love, 489 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 2: they also have made just really bad business decisions over 490 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 2: the last twenty five years. Right, a failed attempt at 491 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: Porsche taking over Folkswagen resulted in Folkswagen swallowing up Porsche. 492 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: And you know when they when the family was austing 493 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: Ferdinand Pish, who Folkswagen everything we love. I mean, this 494 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: is the hero that bought and brought back Bugatti. This 495 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: is the guy who got himself Dukati for his birthday, 496 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: Like he built this incredible state. 497 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: One of us. 498 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of us, and they and they and 499 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 2: it's enforcing him out. Had to take massive loans to 500 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 2: buy his you know, one zero point three billion dollar steak, 501 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 2: And now they're having to decide whether or not they 502 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: pay dividends over what's right for the operational business, or 503 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 2: at least that's something the analysts are questioning. So this 504 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: all led me to wonder whether things like the lack 505 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: of a handbrake, which went away in the nine to 506 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: nine seven, or things like the lack of real gauges 507 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: which went away in the nine to nine to two 508 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 2: you know, things like electronic steering instead of hydraulic, Like, 509 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: are these technological advancements or are they cost cutting mechanisms? 510 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry there is yes. 511 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 2: Well, I'm starting to think there's just they it's it's 512 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: it's amazing at a car that starts at one hundred 513 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars before options. But I'm starting to 514 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: think they just can't afford to put real gauges in 515 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: because nobody would prefer screens right on a nine to eleven. 516 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: You want the beautiful gauges that for which the car 517 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 2: was famous and that they're trying to like digitally imitate, Like, 518 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 2: why not give us the real thing? I don't want 519 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: a fake version of that, you know. 520 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: I think it's possible that the powers that be at 521 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: Porsia misjudged the consumer a little bit and thought they 522 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be bothered by all of those very they're all 523 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: very small, minor changes, but they do add up to 524 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: a bigger thing. I think, Yeah, maybe there was a 525 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: little bit of a misjudge of the depth of devotion 526 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: on some of the buyers to that analog. 527 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: Feel well, let's hope some of it comes back, because 528 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: you know, it's safe to say it's the brand that 529 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: we talk about more than any other. You think, yes, yeah, 530 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 2: I think car enthusiasts in general probably talk about the 531 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: nine to eleven more than any model, including the Miyata. 532 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: I have to disagree. I think I think I think 533 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: people in Ferrari circles or Lamborghini circles or Pegani circles 534 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: would say, well, we talk about our favorite car. 535 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: For sure. But I'm just saying, like, if you put 536 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: all car enthusiasts together, right, if you stack up roadent 537 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: track and car and driver for the past fifty years, 538 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,239 Speaker 2: I think you're gonna see nine to eleven as the 539 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 2: most mentioned. Well that it's probably I can dig through 540 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: the day. I can use AI just figure that out. 541 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, please use your chat GBT. If that's the case, 542 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: then that is still another testament to how good that 543 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: car is and how shocking it is that Porsia has fallen. 544 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 2: By the way, can I just say, to go back 545 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: to what we were talking about previously. One of the 546 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: big surprises for me this year also was the Taikon, 547 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: which you'd already driven I think in previous years, yes, 548 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 2: and I had not. It blew me away in a 549 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: really positive sense. And now when I drive by them 550 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 2: on the street, I'm looking, you know, and uh, you know, 551 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: I may start to pull them up in car Gurus 552 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 2: or auto Trader just to shop to see if they've 553 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 2: had some depreciation, because it'll set. 554 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: A baby seat in the back fast. 555 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but again, it's not going to come with three pedals, 556 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 2: and it's all like Cassio screens instead of No. 557 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: But I'm okay with I'm actually okay with that. I 558 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: think it's the right tool for the job. You know. 559 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: It's all about you can have different tools in your 560 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: tool what tool belt? 561 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, for sure, I just wish I could have 562 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 2: a lot of different tools. 563 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. 564 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 2: And I just didn't buy bitcoin early enough. 565 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: You know, what's that thing that Barry always says, like, 566 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: you should have the money that you've spent on an 567 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: Apple computer back in the day. You should have invested 568 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: with Apple. 569 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: Yes exactly, instead of buying an iPhone thousand dollars of 570 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: this stuff. Yes, which is for the most part true. 571 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: But then he would have said the same thing about 572 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: Porscha and and I'm glad I didn't buy those shares. 573 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: Well, story's not over yet, you know, a true champion 574 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: finds a way to come back. That's true, and I 575 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: think we would all be happy if Portia really showed 576 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: its champion stripes here. So time will tell. 577 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: All right, Well, we teased that you love the stereo 578 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 2: in the vehicle that you're currently driving, so we come back. 579 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 2: We will tell everyone what you're driving right now, and 580 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: who makes the stereos? Burmeister, this is hot pursuit, all right. 581 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 2: I'm just looking at I think it's I think it's Burmester. 582 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: But is that if you're living in Germany. 583 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: I don't know Bermester. Whatever, it's something that Burmester. Maybe 584 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: I'm hearing you say that that's who makes the stereo. 585 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: I can surmise that you are either talking about a Portia, which, 586 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: by the way, if you ever have to check between 587 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: that box and bows, please check Burmeister, or or Mercedes, 588 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: which uses these stereos a lot so which which is. 589 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: Ding ding stut car. It's Mercedes, yet another Mercedes. And 590 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: this is the basically kind of the four door version 591 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: of the car I had last week. This is the 592 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: Mercedes AMGS sixty three E Performance. It's the four door version. 593 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: Suggested retail price one hundred and eighty six thousand dollars. 594 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: This is like a big car. If you want a 595 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: big Mercedes that's got a big engine. It's got a 596 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: V eight seven hundred and ninety one horse power. This 597 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: is the one for you. 598 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: So but serious, Wait say those numbers again? The horsepower 599 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: and torque? 600 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: What is four leader V eight by turbo seven and 601 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: ninety one horse power over a thousand pound feet of torque? 602 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: One thy fifty four pound feet of tark torque. 603 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 2: So it's crazy for the version of the g T 604 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 2: sixty three. 605 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,720 Speaker 1: Yes, and it actually has the same amount of torque 606 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: as that Tudor GT sixty AMGGT. 607 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: A little lighter horsepower, but. 608 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: Yes, slightly, but who can tell the difference? 609 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 610 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: No, who cares completely. It's it's a serious it's a 611 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: serious thing. 612 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: So it looks hybrid power train, right. 613 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: Yep, hybrid. Yeah. All of those figures I just gave 614 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: our combined figures night speed transmission. This one doesn't come 615 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: with a stick, Matt, No, none of them. 616 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 2: I hate the color they make, the color of the 617 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: Why does the press color always so bad? What? What's 618 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: the car? 619 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: I think? Because whoever respects the press cars wants to 620 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: just try something crazy and wild because it doesn't really 621 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: matter because it's not their car, so they just like try. 622 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: This is like a baby blue. 623 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 2: Oh I love like a Robins blue, like a Tiffy. 624 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: It's certainly not as classy as a Tiffany blue. It's 625 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: more like a it's almost a matte baby blue. 626 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: That's not okay. 627 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: It's not okay, Matt. 628 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: Colors in general should be done by now, and I 629 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 2: agree baby blue like the new or new ish bmw 630 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: M two. I love that blue, you know, but it's 631 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 2: a shine. 632 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, this is And actually I'm looking at 633 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: the paperwork for the car. They don't have the color listed. 634 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: The man doesn't black color. No, I think this is 635 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 1: incorrect because it's calling it black and it's certainly not black. 636 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a rap Ooh, that's an interesting proposition. I 637 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: will say though. The sound system, it's the Burmister or 638 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 1: Burmeister four D surround sound, costs sixty eight hundred dollars extra. 639 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 1: It's so good, worth it, so good, so worth it. 640 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: When you're listening to Cardi B on your way to work, 641 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 1: you will hear the back of her throat like you've 642 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: never heard before. I highly recommend it. 643 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 2: I aside away from cars for a moment. I'll say that, 644 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: please Cardi B. Maybe the cultural phenomenon that also surprised 645 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 2: me most to the upside this year. 646 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: Why I'd never heard was it her legal travails, No, 647 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 1: her time in court? Nope, No, because she's a real genius. 648 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: I've never heard anything from her like music wise, or 649 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: even statements. I paid zero ten. Once you said Cardi B, 650 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 2: I stopped paying attention, and so I didn't. I cared 651 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,759 Speaker 2: very little. But I was at a concert in Central Park. 652 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 2: I knew there was a butt coming yeah, and they 653 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 2: were like, oh, Cardi B is gonna play, and I 654 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 2: was like, this will be interesting. I'm going to probably 655 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 2: leave early. And I don't think that I've seen someone 656 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 2: this year who is more herself than Cardi B. She 657 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 2: is a genuine version of herself, and in a way 658 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 2: that you can tell like I know, and I admire 659 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 2: and respect her for. 660 00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: It same same exactly she authentic. She is so authentic, 661 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: there's no there's no apparent distance between what is going 662 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: on in her head and what she says and how 663 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: she presents herself to the world. And I find that 664 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: in a world where everyone wears a mask. I find 665 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: that so cool and it's it's actually really smart, and 666 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: it takes a lot of discipline to not to truly 667 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: be yourself. 668 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: I wonder if or if that's just the way she is. 669 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 2: I can't I don't see it as a disciplined person. 670 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 2: Although she's so successful that you. 671 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: Should hear on social media talking about like not being 672 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: lazy and working hard every day. She gives these like 673 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: pep talks. It's kind of amazing. 674 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 2: Well she blew me away, and yeah, I was thinking 675 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 2: last night. I was thinking about character. What it means 676 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,240 Speaker 2: to have character or does it mean you're being a character, 677 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 2: you're acting a character, you're playing a character, And obviously 678 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 2: all of us are to some extent, yes, And Cardi 679 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: B seems like like she isn't she really is that person? 680 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 2: I don't know why wait, why do we get to this? Oh, 681 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 2: so you're listening to Cardi BS on the stereo. Yeah, 682 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 2: it's a seven thousand dollars option, and you're saying, tick 683 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: that box. 684 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 1: Tick the box. It really I'm telling you. It's one 685 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: of those things where you're listening to songs and you're like, oh, 686 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that I didn't know that part was 687 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: in it. I had never realized it. And I think also, 688 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: and I need to go back and check, but I 689 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: also think Dolby Atmos is playing a role here because 690 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: this car has it, and I am a fan. After 691 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: getting a very extensive run through of all of the 692 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: technology that goes into remastering songs so that they can 693 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: be played on that platform, it really does make a difference. 694 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: So anyway, love the sound system, and love the seats too, 695 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: very very comfortable seats, and when you have a huge 696 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: town car like this, you kind of want to feel 697 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: like you're in a cushy environment. 698 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 2: So that's good news I had. I have grown so 699 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 2: frustrated with car stereos and how bad they are that 700 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: I have to some extent, well, I've greatly reduced the 701 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 2: music amount of music that I listened to in cars, 702 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 2: so I just I listened to Bloomberg Radio a lot, 703 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:21,240 Speaker 2: but I also listen to you know, BBC and NPR. 704 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: And podcast you know, I do a lot of podcasts, Okay. 705 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 2: Mostly car podcasts, believe it or not, And because I'm 706 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: just so disappointed with what car stereos can give us. 707 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: There are exceptions, but. 708 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: I do think it's overlooked. 709 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,919 Speaker 2: I'm excited when I'm excited when they've gotten it right, 710 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: because then I don't have to turn around and spend 711 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 2: ten grand to get it right myself. 712 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 1: Me too. 713 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 2: It's cool that you like this car and the car stereo. 714 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: Don't love how it looks. I mean, it's not for me. 715 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of like a mobster car in 716 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: a way, you know, it's just like big. 717 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't want that's I've never liked. So when 718 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: they had the AMGGT, which came out what in twenty sixteen, 719 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 2: and I always talk about how much I love that shape, 720 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 2: and then they came out with the four door version 721 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: of it, I thought, this is totally wrong. It's that 722 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 2: it looks silly, it doesn't work. But now the new 723 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 2: version of the AMGGT, which we've spoken about a lot recently, 724 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 2: that I would say is probably my favorite car of 725 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 2: the year that I've driven. Obviously, there are different cars 726 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 2: for different you know, as you say, purposes, and so 727 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 2: this is not a pickup truck but immense power. Yeah, 728 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: such an elegant package and like an understated luxury. It's 729 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: just at the price tag where I get. 730 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: The price tag. Also fuel economy almost fifty miles per 731 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: gallon in combined city and highway driving because it's driving 732 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 1: depending on who's driving, as the results may vary because 733 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: of that hybrid powertrain. So that's good. 734 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know if I like that or 735 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 2: not when I think about this car. So, I mean, 736 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: the best cars I've driven this year, this is one 737 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 2: of them, the Vanquish and the R S six. I 738 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I like the complexity in this 739 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 2: car especially, but also the R S six and the 740 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 2: hybrid thing, like I'm a huge fan of it, you know, 741 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,240 Speaker 2: of the Corvettes. I really like the E Ray because 742 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 2: it has the electric motor polling on the front wheels. 743 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 2: But I just I would prefer fewer parts that can 744 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 2: break in any car. Yeah you know, yeah, yeah, I 745 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: get it, But man, this thing I love to go on. 746 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 2: The Mercedes Benz configurator and a good one build my 747 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 2: own because they have like one hundred colors from which 748 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 2: you can choose. 749 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: And so the color thing, yes. 750 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 2: But it's over two hundred thousand dollars before I add 751 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 2: a single option. 752 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's so fast though, zero to sixteen three 753 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: seconds for a car, for a big, heavy car like 754 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: this is pretty impressive. Yeah. 755 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people know how powerful 756 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 2: this vehicle is, like even people who are read in 757 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: to the automotive world. Yeah, it's a serious hard press 758 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 2: to name a car under you know, a name a 759 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 2: sports car under you know, four hundred thousand dollars that 760 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: has more than one thousand pound feet of torque. A 761 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: lot of people would not be able to. 762 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 1: Well, that's like twice what most nine to elevens have. 763 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. Nine elevens are always pretty weak on torq, aren't 764 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 2: they except the turbos. Well, I guess they're all turbos. 765 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,879 Speaker 2: Now back to the nine to eleven Hannah. 766 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, whoops? 767 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 2: All right, So what are your plans? We're getting closer 768 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 2: and closer to like I think Hanukah's starting, Christmas is 769 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 2: coming up. What are you your holiday plans? 770 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,600 Speaker 1: You know what, Well, I'm going to go to Portugal 771 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: and this weekend and drive that Ferrari real quick, and 772 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: then I'm really looking forward to being here at home 773 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: in La we As. You know, Magnus and I are 774 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: working on a book. Our deadline for that is quickly approaching, 775 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: so I will be crashing some chapters of that. 776 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 2: Hey, what's the book. 777 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 1: The book is a coffee table book, twenty chapters, twenty 778 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: porsches actually, with lots of pictures for anyone who doesn't 779 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: want to read. There are lots of great photos too, 780 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: and that should be coming out probably in early twenty 781 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 1: twenty seven. But I'm also going to go visit. We 782 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: are going to go visit our friend Schmully, who is 783 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: currently on a ranch at basically near a Passo Robles, 784 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: which is a really nice like wine area sort of 785 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: on the way to Carmel Over before New Year, in 786 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: the days between Christmas and New Years. 787 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 2: So our school lucky that you live out there. 788 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: You gotta come out, Matt. 789 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: I really. 790 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: Going to come in and have so many friends and fans. 791 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, I just want to hang out with you, with 792 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 2: you guys and obviously my brother in law Luis. But 793 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 2: it's like you can go. It's like living in Europe, 794 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 2: California kind of kind you can just jet off for 795 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 2: the weekend to a new, amazing place that everyone else 796 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 2: wants to see. And meanwhile, here I can choose between 797 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 2: like Connecticut and New Jersey. 798 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, where will you be for Christmas? 799 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 2: No, I'll be at my place in Westchester, and I 800 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:39,320 Speaker 2: love Westchester, but you know, driving gets a little bit dicey. 801 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 2: It's always on these right now in the winter, and 802 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,919 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be probably at home scrolling through bring 803 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 2: a trailer, you know, A mark basically every like non 804 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,319 Speaker 2: new nine to eleven, but I'm really narrowed it down 805 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,719 Speaker 2: to like a nine nine to seven. I like the 806 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 2: look of the point one better because it's be LEDs 807 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 2: and I like the wheels better on that and probably 808 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 2: sound better without the direct injection. But I like the 809 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 2: reliability of the nine nine to seven dot two. Plus 810 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 2: I always bookmark any of these older ferraris. There's eight. Yeah, 811 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,200 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would fit in one, you know, 812 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 2: but it doesn't need engine out service and they go 813 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 2: for they're not a million dollars, but yeah, that's I mean, 814 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have like seventeen people at my house again 815 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 2: for Christmas, the whole family. 816 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: This is relatives coming in. Oh man. Yeah, that's a lot. 817 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: So that'll be fun. Is your tree up? 818 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 2: The tree is up? Man? We got that at Thanksgiving? 819 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,879 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same, yeah, gotta draw it. 820 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,720 Speaker 2: Out, absolutely fantastic. Well, it's been great. We're not going anywhere. 821 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 2: We're still going to be back here, same time, same 822 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 2: place next week, right, Yes we will. Are we doing Ryan? 823 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 2: Are we doing a new episode every every week? Still? Yes? 824 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,439 Speaker 2: I think that's a yes. 825 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,320 Speaker 1: That does it for this week's show. Remember to follow 826 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: and subscribe to Hot Pursuit on Apple, Spotify, and anywhere 827 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: else you listen. You can also send us your comments. 828 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: Email us at hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net. 829 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 2: Yes. And by the way, a dude who listens to 830 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 2: the show just bought a testro so the other day. 831 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 2: Oh no way, and he on bring a trailer. He 832 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 2: was like, I think I've made a horrible mistake. 833 00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: Toltally wonderful. 834 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 2: Definitely tell us what you're shopping for and tell us 835 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 2: if you pull the trigger or want to. I'm always 836 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,280 Speaker 2: good for a convo on email. Check out Hannah's columns 837 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 2: and stories on Bloomberg dot com and the Bloomberg Business app. 838 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 2: Go there for car reviews, events and stories that you 839 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,600 Speaker 2: won't find anywhere else. Find it all at Bloomberg dot com, 840 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 2: slash Pursuit, slash autos. I'm Matt Miller and. 841 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,200 Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott. Will be back in your podcast feed 842 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: again next week.