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Speaker 1: From how Stuff Works dot Com? Hey, you welcome to

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Speaker 1: stuff to Blow your Mind. My name is Robert Lamb

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Speaker 1: and I'm Julie Douglas, and we are just coming off

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Speaker 1: of the holidays here in which we all, to our shame,

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Speaker 1: had a little bit too much of all the various

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Speaker 1: holiday things. Uh, the holiday foods, the holiday visits with family, um,

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Speaker 1: the holiday travel, the listening to the holiday music at

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Speaker 1: the train station as it's piped in to fill everyone

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Speaker 1: with holiday cheer and reduce gang violence. It seems like

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Speaker 1: Christmas last for several months, just forever. But one of

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Speaker 1: the things that's reassuring is when we can find some

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Speaker 1: little bit of Christmas that also has a dark side

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Speaker 1: to it, or I don't reassuring to me, be at

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Speaker 1: Crampus in his his relationship with St. Nick, or in

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Speaker 1: this case, a little something called nutmeg, which, as you say,

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit of Christmas that you can find

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Speaker 1: all year long. Yeah, I mean it basically is the

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Speaker 1: smell of Christmas, right it is, and and people love it.

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Speaker 1: They love it on their eggnog, on their fancy coffee drinks,

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Speaker 1: and in some savory dishes. Um. It's probably something that

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Speaker 1: in fact it does. You also have it insiders. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't like him. Inside. I love cider, but but

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Speaker 1: there's something about either if it's hard side or a

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Speaker 1: a vanilla milkshake. It gives it just a little a

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Speaker 1: little punch, right, there's a little just some heat to it,

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Speaker 1: like a dry heat. Yes. And it's actually that's app

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Speaker 1: that you say that's a dry heat, because it's explained

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Speaker 1: that way in what we say, or what we call

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Speaker 1: the four temperaments. Um. And we talked about this before,

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Speaker 1: this idea that there are four different tomperaments that rule

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Speaker 1: the human body. This is a very old idea, dry, cold, hot,

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Speaker 1: and wet. So Um. This spice is actually thought to

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Speaker 1: help with various ailments because the idea is that you

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Speaker 1: have to balance these four temperaments. So when you have

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Speaker 1: this spice, which is kind of like a bitter cinnamon um,

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Speaker 1: it is thought, at least in some ancient civilizations and cultures,

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Speaker 1: that it could actually have a myriad effects on your body,

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Speaker 1: which we will explore a bit. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: in it's in a lot of cool Indian dishes. It's

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Speaker 1: it's in coca cola. Uh, you find it all over

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Speaker 1: it's a very old thing using the nutmeg, But some

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Speaker 1: of the more ancient uses of it really relate more

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Speaker 1: to medicinal purposes and folk medicine purposes, in addition to

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Speaker 1: in some cases culinary sources as well. So it has

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Speaker 1: a very interesting history which we're going to get into,

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Speaker 1: and then it has a very arresting effect on the

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Speaker 1: human body, depending on how much you're taking in. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the nut of it, as it were. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what is the nutmeg? Right? Is it some fancy spice

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Speaker 1: that I don't know comes out of a dead sand worm?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it carved out of the earth. No,

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Speaker 1: And it comes actually from the nutmeg tree which has

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Speaker 1: It's an evergreen with thick, dark green leaves and reaches

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Speaker 1: the fruit, peel away the fruit and you'll find basically

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Speaker 1: you'll find in here the nutmegs seed and the nutmegs

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Speaker 1: this is yielding great results. I mean, they've got crops

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Speaker 1: all simately tragic though that it ends in so much bloodshed.

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Speaker 1: They wanted just to lock down all of it. Nobody

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Speaker 1: like you're flying, but you'll also have diarrhea. So well,

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Speaker 1: and that's what Wayne Curtis details in his article in

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Speaker 1: Atlantic Magazine. I mean, he says that you know, it

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Speaker 1: took effect on him and for a couple of days

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Speaker 1: it took a while to to shake off and um.

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Speaker 1: He says that it's hallucinogenic properties are likely from the

432
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Speaker 1: molecules of mistresson and elemison and Mrson is a nutmeg

433
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Speaker 1: and has a chemical structure that shares similarities with mescaline,

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Speaker 1: uh amphetamine, and ecstasy. And in the Dictionary of Hallucinations,

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Speaker 1: it says that nutmeg has been ported to mediate visual

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Speaker 1: auditory tactile and Kinney's kin aesthetic hallucinations, notably the sense

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Speaker 1: of floating, as you had already mentioned. So what I

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Speaker 1: think is really interesting is that Curtis actually went to

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Speaker 1: the trouble of trying this to see what sort of

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Speaker 1: effect it would have on him. And before we discussed that, um,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to point out that people have resorted to

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Speaker 1: using this it looks like in cases where they could

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Speaker 1: not obtain other substances, and I'm talking about in prison,

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Speaker 1: because there are a lot of rumors that, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: people have used it in prisons, uh to to try

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Speaker 1: to get high. And in fact, in Malcolm access biography,

447
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Speaker 1: he says that a penny match book full of nutmeg

448
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Speaker 1: had the kick of three or four reefers. Again, you know,

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Speaker 1: this experience is going to vary from person to person,

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Speaker 1: but largely what people are reporting is that they're not

451
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Speaker 1: having a mellow high or anything like that. We're again

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Speaker 1: we're talking vomit and diarrhea here. Yeah. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: important that we're talking about prison scenarios because because this

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Speaker 1: is also a scenario where individuals are going to be

455
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Speaker 1: kind of desperate for any kind of sensory change. You know,

456
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Speaker 1: they want a different experience and the thing that they're

457
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Speaker 1: having every single day, and if the various other forms

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Speaker 1: of stimulation are withheld from them, then they may have

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Speaker 1: no other choice in their view, to tries things like nutmeg.

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Speaker 1: H So in many prisons to this day, it's still

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Speaker 1: it's difficult to find nutmeg in the kitchen because they're

462
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Speaker 1: just not gonna stock it because somebody's gonna end up

463
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Speaker 1: taking it. But again, it's it's just not going to

464
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Speaker 1: be a pleasant time. Um. There are also stories that

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Speaker 1: jazz musicians, particularly Charlie Parker, reportedly partook of nutmeg. Supposedly, um,

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Speaker 1: I mean supposedly nutmeg wasn't the only thing that Charlie

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Speaker 1: Parker took. But it's just it's again this this is

468
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Speaker 1: on no one knows for sure. Like I was reading

469
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Speaker 1: a um on one of our articles we're looking after this,

470
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Speaker 1: they were talking about it. It's kind of like a

471
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Speaker 1: mystery that nobody wants to talk about, like the the

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Speaker 1: jazz musicians the secret of jazz is nutmeg, which I

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Speaker 1: don't buy for a second, you know, Yeah, yeah, um.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that it really didn't even

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Speaker 1: become known in the Western world really until I think

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Speaker 1: that's sixties and one of the first people to ferret

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Speaker 1: it out was Dr Andrew Wild, who at the time

478
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Speaker 1: was submitting his thesis for honors in biology at Harvard University,

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Speaker 1: and he was he he wanted to really make an

480
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Speaker 1: inquiry into nutmeg as a narcotic and a hallucinogenic and uh,

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Speaker 1: he kind of sort of went through the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And it's very interesting, but because before then, again people

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Speaker 1: didn't really think of it as having any sort of

484
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Speaker 1: hallucinogenic properties. But you probably know Dr Andrew Wild now

485
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Speaker 1: is someone who has been at the at the sort

486
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Speaker 1: of forefront of what you would say integrative medicine is

487
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Speaker 1: and really looking at these various natural um herbs implants

488
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Speaker 1: to try to integrate into medicine and get some sort

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Speaker 1: of benefit from Yeah, it's a it's a fascinating paper

490
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Speaker 1: a young while put together UM and it's also amusing

491
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Speaker 1: too because there's so many beatnecks in it. He keeps

492
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Speaker 1: talking about UM. One one particular that encounter that he

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Speaker 1: mentioned because he mentions talking to this guy and that

494
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Speaker 1: guy that you know it doesn't use any names, but

495
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Speaker 1: particularly is interested in in the At one point in

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Speaker 1: the article, he is interested in individuals who normally take marijuana,

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Speaker 1: but when they can't obtain marijuana, then supposedly they turned

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Speaker 1: a nutmeet, which, as we've already illustrated, clearly nutmeg is

499
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Speaker 1: not equatable with marijuana use. But but he was just

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Speaker 1: asking around. It's like, is this true? When you can't

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Speaker 1: have marijuana, do you have nutmeg? And there's one Harvard

502
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Speaker 1: graduate in particular that while talked to who answered him

503
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Speaker 1: by saying, oh, here, step over here to your spice cabinet.

504
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Speaker 1: And he opened the spice cabinet and he points at

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Speaker 1: all the various things that he is pretty much everything

506
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Speaker 1: in here, but msg if you take enough of it,

507
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Speaker 1: it's going to have some sort of weird effect on

508
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Speaker 1: your body. Uh, you know if you're palpations. Yeah, yeah,

509
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Speaker 1: it could be sentiment, it could be paprika. But if

510
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Speaker 1: you take enough of anything, and certainly a spice, because

511
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Speaker 1: the spice is gonna be a very potent substance that

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Speaker 1: it just we don't use in large quantities, but if

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Speaker 1: you consume a large quantity of you're gonna get some

514
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Speaker 1: sort of reaction, probably not a good one. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: also like that paper too, because you can see all

516
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Speaker 1: of as handwritten molecular compounds. I'll have all of his

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00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: drawings very quaint. Uh. But yes, so it's I think

518
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Speaker 1: that kind of gives you an idea of of how again,

519
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: it's not this uh wonderful high that people are seeking.

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00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: There's probably a reason why it's not something that is

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Speaker 1: done in drug culture A lot right, not so great.

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Speaker 1: Back to Wing Curtis. In the article, he talks about

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Speaker 1: his nutmeg bender. Let me just read a little bit

524
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Speaker 1: of his own experience. He says that, both dubious and intrigued,

525
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Speaker 1: I grated up a whole nutmeg and part of another,

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Speaker 1: producing about one and a half table spoonful of powder.

527
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Speaker 1: I swallowed it in one small spoonful at a time,

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Speaker 1: chasing each gulp down with water. Um. He says. Consumed

529
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: in that quantity, nutmeg loses its fuel to high goodness

530
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: and tastes like turpentine. Perhaps my dosage was too low

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Speaker 1: or my nutmeg too desiccated. I did go through an

532
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Speaker 1: early giddey phase when everything seemed immensely amusing, including the

533
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Speaker 1: shingles on my neighbor's house, and I felt a slight

534
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: floating sensation when walking around the neighborhood. But mostly I

535
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 1: just felt out of sorts for a couple of days.

536
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: When I tried to write, my words sometimes became unmoored

537
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: from my thoughts. Though, to be fair, of this happens

538
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Speaker 1: even without the influence of nutmeg. You know, again, not

539
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: so not so exciting description here, a lot of trouble

540
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Speaker 1: going through trying to get some sort of high out

541
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Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it's not you don't. You don't encounter

542
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: romantic descriptions of nutmeg us. It's just it's it's only

543
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Speaker 1: a failure or or a real failure. I mean. And

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00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: then there have been cases where individuals, um, you know,

545
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: I've been hospitalized or in some cases possibly died from

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Speaker 1: using it. The chances of dying from nutmeg poisoning or

547
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: are pretty slim, but it's it's always it's always possible,

548
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Speaker 1: and certainly it's also possible to for there to be

549
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: drug gut interactions as well. So, I mean, everybody's body

550
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: is different. It depends on you know, what's going on

551
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: inside you, what other substances you're taking, what your particular

552
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Speaker 1: health situation is. So I think what we're saying is kids,

553
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Speaker 1: just keep it on the top of your coffee. You

554
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just a couple of sprinkles will do. Yeah,

555
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: or apparently, as the Joy of Cooking says, use it

556
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: sparingly but often so it's probably a good good place

557
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: to leave it. But but still, I will admit, even

558
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: though even though I am I would, I will absolutely

559
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: never try and choke down a whole bunch of nutmeg

560
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Speaker 1: in the hopes of stuff weird happening and to me

561
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Speaker 1: and standing forty eight hours on a toilet, Um, the

562
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Speaker 1: next time I sprinkled nutmeg on it, I will I

563
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Speaker 1: will certainly have that in the back of my mind.

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Speaker 1: I'll feel a little cooler using my nutmeg because I'm like,

565
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm like a I'm like a Dutch aristocrat. See,

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Speaker 1: I'll just think about the bathroom thing. My mind will

567
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Speaker 1: go straight to the gutter. All right, So there you go. Um.

568
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Speaker 1: That is actually a nice little precursor for a couple

569
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Speaker 1: of episodes that are coming out. To look for them,

570
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Speaker 1: we were going to talk more specifically about hallucinogen's shamans

571
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Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff, um, in the various ways

572
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Speaker 1: that we tried to manipulate the mind. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: on that note, let's call over the robit and look

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Speaker 1: at the listener mail. Here's one from our listener, Marcio.

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Speaker 1: Marcio writes sentences, Hi, Robert and Julie. I'm a listener

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Speaker 1: from Portugal who, for obvious reasons doesn't observe Thanksgiving, but

577
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Speaker 1: of course still listen to the Turkey episode. You may

578
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Speaker 1: recall the part about the origin of the bird's name

579
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Speaker 1: and how the British called everything Oriental Turkish, including something

580
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Speaker 1: that was merely traded by Eastern merchants. Interestingly enough, kind

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Speaker 1: of the same thing happened with the Portuguese in the

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Speaker 1: sixteenth century. Spanish America was properly referred to as Peru.

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Speaker 1: When the Spanish first brought that bird to Europe, we

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Speaker 1: called it Peru, and it's still that name. It still

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Speaker 1: has that name today. At least we got the continent right.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for the cast. I'm a fan. Have fun, Marcia,

587
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: so that's in it. Certainly that ties in nicely with

588
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Speaker 1: this episode in which we talked about international trade and

589
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: how it affects our understandings of various products. You know,

590
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: also on the Thanksgiving episode, we we ruminated in that

591
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Speaker 1: particular episode about the possibility of a killer turkey horror

592
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Speaker 1: movie and possible. Yes, and lo and behold it exists.

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Speaker 1: A number of you pointed out that there is a

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Speaker 1: movie by the name of Thanks Killing, Thanks Killing that

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Speaker 1: appears to to star a kind of skexy, light evil

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Speaker 1: turkey puppet that goes around killing people, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: currently the one Netflix streamings, which is which is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it is out there. You should totally check

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Speaker 1: out the trailer at the very least. It's it's very

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Speaker 1: funny stuff. So there you have it. A little listener

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Speaker 1: mail there. If you would like to write in with

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on nutmeg, we would love to hear about them. Again,

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Speaker 1: do not actually try and take a bunch of nutmeg

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Speaker 1: and then expect that we're gonna read your thoughts about

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Speaker 1: it on on on the podcast Taking my Head now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not, but we would love I would particularly love

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Speaker 1: to hear any of you who are Dutch or who

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Speaker 1: have had a lot of Dutch cuisine. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: know about the nutmeg in that culinary condition, that kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. I would love to hear about anything else

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Speaker 1: not related that you may have to share that doesn't

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Speaker 1: involve spooning down that man. If you want to share

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