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Speaker 1: what are we doing? It's a it's a talking thing.
Speaker 1: I thought it was dak warm enough before the game.
Speaker 1: I want to hear about it. I don't know even
Speaker 1: know where it started, but it started it I started.
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Speaker 1: It just becomes our sign off and sign on. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I'd love to see Mickey
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Speaker 1: him how it's done. It's like to swim them back
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. Come on, Mick, I want to
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Speaker 1: how it warms up? Oh you here you go. God,
Speaker 1: I donate a pitcheck to see that. Let's get up
Speaker 1: to do it. There, Mickey, we can do it. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna do it. We can do it. So Isaiah
Speaker 1: started that. Yeah, Isaiah starts all the fun stuff. You
Speaker 1: know what. Okay, I'm glad that you brought up Isaiah
Speaker 1: stand Back because I just I came in here a
Speaker 1: little late because I was just doing a telestrators segment
Speaker 1: with Isaiah stand Back and I want to make this
Speaker 1: point right off the top. Isaiah Standback is one of
Speaker 1: the rising stars in broadcasting his work on the telestrator
Speaker 1: each we of course we did a preseason game, the
Speaker 1: first preseason game this year in Arizona, and listening on
Speaker 1: the podcast and everything, but when you when you sit
Speaker 1: there and do a telestrator segment with him, it really
Speaker 1: comes to light exactly how much he knows about the
Speaker 1: game and how he can communicate in the spirit that
Speaker 1: he has and so forth. I mean, he is a
Speaker 1: rising star in this provom. Well, my guess is nobody
Speaker 1: in this room played quarterback before Ben Right, He's a
Speaker 1: former quarterback's the thing, and he was a wide receiver
Speaker 1: here for a couple of years. But he's been with
Speaker 1: the Patriots with Tom Brady. He's been on a Giants
Speaker 1: team that won the Super Bowl. He's been, He's been around.
Speaker 1: He's been in some programs that have that know what
Speaker 1: they're doing. Has he been here? Was he here with
Speaker 1: Tony Romo? Or was that before Romo? It was with Romo? Yeah, yep,
Speaker 1: that's right, yep. And played quarterback University of Washington, irs
Speaker 1: Man Seattle as well. Yes, he did. He needed to
Speaker 1: have showed up earlier if here and took over for
Speaker 1: Quincy Carter, right, I tried, if he would have just
Speaker 1: come along three or four years soon enough. Well, Romo
Speaker 1: was here at that point too, so he would have
Speaker 1: been competing with Romo. But anyway, Romo wasn't Romo yet
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah. But and he played a little
Speaker 1: receiver in college, but mainly at quarterback at Washington. But
Speaker 1: what Cowboys and NFL teams saw in him was that athleticism.
Speaker 1: What I see in him is his aptitude and his
Speaker 1: communication skills. You better slow down, he take your spot.
Speaker 1: Broadcasting networks out there need to be on the ball
Speaker 1: for him. All right, Let's get to the news of
Speaker 1: the day, Mickey. What is the news of the day?
Speaker 1: I guess it was the news of yesterday. Right. Um.
Speaker 1: Evidently Demante Kaz didn't listen to Mike McCarthy's lecture on
Speaker 1: Monday about everybody making sure they take care of themselves,
Speaker 1: take care of your teammates, and spend time with your
Speaker 1: family and friends. And I don't think staying out to
Speaker 1: three am on Tuesday morning was part of that lecture.
Speaker 1: So he gets pulled over and charged with a DWI.
Speaker 1: So he didn't listen. And as we know, when coaches
Speaker 1: have a bye week, their biggest fear is the phone call.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get that phone call when they put their
Speaker 1: head on the pillow and it's like, oh, I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear that phone ring. But it did, I guess,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, so got himself in a little bit
Speaker 1: of trouble. I don't know how much that affects him
Speaker 1: with the team here because those things usually take a
Speaker 1: long time to process. But we'll see what goes on.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the questions that fans have is
Speaker 1: as far as in the in the system in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows if if he was already entered or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like if it was a previous It's all private information
Speaker 1: until you get to a point where you're in suspension mode.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that's with the personal conduct policy in
Speaker 1: the league. I don't have a great sense of, like
Speaker 1: you know, a callie or a system of what punishment
Speaker 1: might be for something like this. I don't. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because the league is in the past, is kind of
Speaker 1: they'll pick and choose, or or it is like you said,
Speaker 1: or it's private and you don't really know everything that
Speaker 1: may have or have not happened in the past, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's something to keep an eye on over the
Speaker 1: next few weeks. I guess. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: would be something immediate, but we'll have to see. And
Speaker 1: what I worry about is obviously we dominated the news
Speaker 1: cycle anyway from the winning streak, but this isn't good news.
Speaker 1: I mean winning the winning the bye week is what
Speaker 1: this has all been about, and making sure guys are
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, and that's not a step in
Speaker 1: the right direction on the first day. Yeah, coach has
Speaker 1: always feared unstructured time, you know, the unstructured time between
Speaker 1: the last mini camp in the summer and the start
Speaker 1: of training camp. They always worry about that, and they
Speaker 1: always worry about the bye week and That is one
Speaker 1: reason why when Bill Parcels was here, and this was
Speaker 1: before the news CBA, when it was mandated that they
Speaker 1: had to have four days off in a row and
Speaker 1: two of them had to be on the weekend. Before that,
Speaker 1: Bill would give them like Tuesday and Wednesday off schedule practice, Thursday,
Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday and Sunday would be to be determined, right,
Speaker 1: And he knew he was giving them off, but he
Speaker 1: didn't want them to know. So if they were going
Speaker 1: to leave on Friday, you're not you're not making to
Speaker 1: the last minute, and you're paying a thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: a plane fight but to go somewhere. But hasn't the
Speaker 1: CBA provided more restrictions on how much you can put
Speaker 1: the players on the field during the week. I mean,
Speaker 1: Mike's giving him the whole week off. Yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: they have to have four consecutive days. It's four consecutive days,
Speaker 1: and it has to include the weekend, okay or Monday okay,
Speaker 1: So it could be Friday through Monday or Thursday through Sunday. Right,
Speaker 1: And he basically gave him and and I understand why
Speaker 1: he did it. I mean, they had him here on
Speaker 1: Monday some of the guys will come in and work
Speaker 1: out and get some conditioning in. But this is ten
Speaker 1: weeks in a row if you count the four preseason games,
Speaker 1: and I know all the starters didn't play in the
Speaker 1: four preseason games, but it was still still stretch, extra
Speaker 1: week of training going all the way back to July
Speaker 1: twenty second. It was at h they reported the training camp.
Speaker 1: So it's been a long stretch and I think he
Speaker 1: is very cognizant of giving guys breaks to make sure
Speaker 1: they're not worn out. You got another game this year,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't have any problems with what he did.
Speaker 1: But again, you know Bill's Bill's whole deal was don't
Speaker 1: go back to the old stomping grounds, like go back
Speaker 1: to the old school for homecoming, right, and there is
Speaker 1: no time for homecomings, And there was something, there was
Speaker 1: some sense to his message. And the Cowboys aren't the
Speaker 1: only team doing this. There are several teams around the
Speaker 1: league that are giving them the whole week off. And
Speaker 1: as you point out, when you look at you, now
Speaker 1: you're adding another game to seventeen game and if you've
Speaker 1: got designs on the postseason, and this team appears to
Speaker 1: be in that position, I mean, we're taught. I did
Speaker 1: the math on it. I think the next game against Minnesota,
Speaker 1: if you were to map out the entire season where
Speaker 1: you go to from training camp to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: that would be the halfway point of the journey is
Speaker 1: basically on Halloween. If you just number of days, and
Speaker 1: so from a game number of games standpoint, you're looking
Speaker 1: at four preseason games in this case for this team,
Speaker 1: and then that would be the seventh, eighth week of
Speaker 1: the season, seventh game game, and then going forward you
Speaker 1: got ten more regular season games, and then at least
Speaker 1: three more postseason games. I mean that get and so
Speaker 1: that's why. And man, we taped the Mike McCarthy show
Speaker 1: last night and he was talking about how he compartmentalizes
Speaker 1: the season and and that's why he likes the way
Speaker 1: this season breaks down. Where he's got this break right now,
Speaker 1: he can get him away for a full week and
Speaker 1: still come back. The other thing that's beautiful about this
Speaker 1: bye week is the fact the Vikings are also on
Speaker 1: a buy this week, and so even for the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: normally h on a bye week, the coaching staff would
Speaker 1: get together and go ahead and scout on Sunday the
Speaker 1: game that of their next opponent they don't have to,
Speaker 1: but they won't have one. Yeah, that's right, and I
Speaker 1: think Mike Mike talked about it breaking it up. So
Speaker 1: this was six weeks and then the after clue buy
Speaker 1: in five games is six more weeks, right, and then
Speaker 1: six more weeks because they get the mini buy after
Speaker 1: the two straight Thursday games the first of December, and
Speaker 1: so it works out great as far as that goes.
Speaker 1: Now you just got to have some personal responsibility and
Speaker 1: be ready for the three consecutive of away games the
Speaker 1: first of December. Now, guys, how do you how do
Speaker 1: you like view Obviously football players look at the season
Speaker 1: and quarters, but now that you have an extra game
Speaker 1: to look at it that way. But so far as
Speaker 1: far as your assessment of this team is if you
Speaker 1: looked at it a quarter of the way, how do you,
Speaker 1: guys assess this team so far doing what they should
Speaker 1: have done? Well? I said that beforehand they need if
Speaker 1: if they're going to get to the playoffs, they need
Speaker 1: to make hay the first six games of the season,
Speaker 1: and they've done that. That's right. And five and one
Speaker 1: is basically you know you'd love to go six and oh,
Speaker 1: but five and one was about the most you could expect,
Speaker 1: you know, and just the way this team is playing.
Speaker 1: And the other part of it is the guys they
Speaker 1: have in reserve. I mean, we got the trade deadline
Speaker 1: coming up here in a couple of weeks, and it's
Speaker 1: like with the guys that are about to come off
Speaker 1: injured reserve, they're going to be acquiring players at the
Speaker 1: trade deadline, their own players at the trade deadline. That's fours,
Speaker 1: at least four starters. A starting wide receiver Michael Gallop okay,
Speaker 1: two starting defensive lineman at least to enter the season
Speaker 1: Neville Gallimore and the Tank Lawrence Tank. That's three. Kelvin
Speaker 1: Joseph's the second round draft pick at corner, who I'm
Speaker 1: just saying provides depth at a key position. And a
Speaker 1: guy that would have been starting with Lawrence out Dorin's Armstrong.
Speaker 1: We forget about him because they didn't put him on IR.
Speaker 1: He's still on the roster, so he's coming back. Tristan
Speaker 1: hill On pup who now after now after six weeks,
Speaker 1: they're not practicing this week as eligible to start. He's
Speaker 1: almost like the forgotten guy he really is. And and
Speaker 1: another forgotten guy that was going to compete I think
Speaker 1: for the backup swing tackle was Josh Ball the four
Speaker 1: around draft really and he never got an opportunity because,
Speaker 1: what was it, a week or so into trening camp,
Speaker 1: two weeks he suffered the injury and you know he's
Speaker 1: been rehabbing ever since. So not to mention your third
Speaker 1: tight end, who I mean, Sean mccough probably was going
Speaker 1: to be the third tight end. He might help be
Speaker 1: ready this yeah, this next game, because he's been working
Speaker 1: out pretty significantly out there. So so, yeah, the reinforcements
Speaker 1: are coming in over the hill, and a lot of
Speaker 1: and a lot of changes this roster are going to
Speaker 1: be made. Yeah, you gotta figure it out, right, Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta make room for him. Okay, we had one yesterday.
Speaker 1: Of course, le Collins is back on the fifty three
Speaker 1: and Nickston guy, Yeah, yeah, you go starting right tackle.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's like Pro Bowl caliber player and
Speaker 1: so and so. Right now, they're across their fingers that
Speaker 1: Ralston doesn't get claimed and he can go on the
Speaker 1: practice squad like Brandon Knight right right, got claimed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they had to make they decided to make rooms.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and that just shows you that there's just
Speaker 1: a lack of quality offensive alignement out there that somebody
Speaker 1: would just scoop up Brandon Night because they will see
Speaker 1: he started I don't know what, maybe ten games last
Speaker 1: year something like that at left tackle by the way.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lack of quality offensive alignment out there,
Speaker 1: you know. In the case of Kelvin Joseph, now we'll
Speaker 1: see where he is, not only physically but just as
Speaker 1: far as making the transition into the NFL and so forth.
Speaker 1: But I would think it as they set things up
Speaker 1: going into this season, the idea of being that he
Speaker 1: would compete in training camp, preseason with Anthony Brown. He
Speaker 1: got Anthony Brown as a starter, and if he developed
Speaker 1: the way they wanted him developed by mid season, he
Speaker 1: would be in a position to be a starter on
Speaker 1: this team. And so now we don't know where he
Speaker 1: is because of the injury and so forth. But I
Speaker 1: think to your point, Rob on Kelvin Joseph, he's a
Speaker 1: guy that was in the plans who would be getting
Speaker 1: snaps on defense for sure, as you expected as a
Speaker 1: second round draft pick by mid season. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: a position we've talked about on our show where you
Speaker 1: can't ever have enough depth. I mean, you need at
Speaker 1: least three, really four corners that you feel good about,
Speaker 1: inspecially where they're playing defense. Yeah. Absolutely, And look it
Speaker 1: just happened on Sunday. Maurice Kennedy, who really hasn't played
Speaker 1: much yet this season but they like him, gets a concussion.
Speaker 1: Things can happen and all of a sudden, I mean
Speaker 1: we talk about it. I mean you mentioned to me
Speaker 1: this morning questions about oh, they have too much wide
Speaker 1: receiver depth on the fan, and I get that conversation.
Speaker 1: It was on our website mailbag. But like depth is
Speaker 1: great and a good problem until you don't have depth anymore.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned there's seventeen games this season. A lot
Speaker 1: can happen, Guys can get hurt, and you're gonna feel
Speaker 1: lucky that you do have And if they were playing
Speaker 1: this week with Kennedy in concussion protocol and the Sean
Speaker 1: Wright would be the next guy the fourth corner instead
Speaker 1: of the fifth corner, and that was something you would
Speaker 1: have thought Kelvin Joseph would have served. Now he got
Speaker 1: off to a slow start, so he I don't think
Speaker 1: was ever going to compete for a starting job, but
Speaker 1: as a depth person. You know, I'm go back to
Speaker 1: your talking, right, Joseph. Yeah, and uh, you know, and
Speaker 1: go back to Kevin Smith's first year. You know, he
Speaker 1: didn't start till the tenth gaming and it took a
Speaker 1: while because they trusted I Colt and then they finally
Speaker 1: got him in there. That was his sophomore season, second
Speaker 1: half of his rookie year. He's a sophomore, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And then he took over and then and then chest
Speaker 1: it up with Jerry Rice in the NFC title game.
Speaker 1: And you talk about when going back to Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: oh v Kelvin, Joseph, just think about where you were
Speaker 1: with Anthony Brown at the beginning of the season. He
Speaker 1: was almost like the odd man out. He's really turned
Speaker 1: it around, even for me. I think on our show,
Speaker 1: I've criticized Anthony Brown and talked about his lack of
Speaker 1: production from years past. But man, he's never healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: think about it, and I don't think healthy. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys aren't. But I'm saying as
Speaker 1: far as you when you're looking at their statistics and saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a guy that you realize. Next two, treyvon
Speaker 1: Digs is going to compete and you don't think there's
Speaker 1: a one A and one B. I think everyone was
Speaker 1: thinking that, oh man, this is the odd guy out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get Kelvin Josephine. And he never Kelvin joseph
Speaker 1: even in training camp, could take over what Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: was doing. And I believe it was Al Harris that
Speaker 1: even complimented Brown on just the progression that he's making
Speaker 1: within this system. So I'm really happy about that. And
Speaker 1: I love the fact that we do have depth. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if too much depth is a bad
Speaker 1: thing because we've gone through those lean years where we
Speaker 1: had none at all. Ye and all he had to
Speaker 1: do on Anthony Brown is follow the money. I mean,
Speaker 1: they didn't resign him to a three year deal out
Speaker 1: of just okay, we got some money here, let's sign
Speaker 1: this guy. They had confidence in him. He just needed
Speaker 1: to stay healthy now and he finally has and now
Speaker 1: he has confidence in himself. Yes, I think I think
Speaker 1: part of that is the success Trey Von is having
Speaker 1: with these picks. I think it's gets contagious on this
Speaker 1: team that the whole mindset and you know what, there's
Speaker 1: just a confidence thing. I thought on the seventy five
Speaker 1: yard touchdown pass that he just got his butt whipped.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at it, and if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for crazy Kaz coming in like a madman, I
Speaker 1: think he would have gone and picked the ball off.
Speaker 1: He keep pulled up. It was kind of like a flyball. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you're not sure who's who's taking it because he's
Speaker 1: getting ready. Yeah. Yeah, he needed to call for it.
Speaker 1: It was a weird somebody should Yeah, And then Kaz
Speaker 1: pulled up and did a drive by instead of going
Speaker 1: and making the tack. If he would have made that tackle,
Speaker 1: he'd have got fifteen yards. That's it's better than seventy
Speaker 1: five right now. And again when we talked about it
Speaker 1: on our show, about that whole sequence that play from
Speaker 1: right there, you talk about Diggs getting it the pick
Speaker 1: six and then the next play if he had gotten
Speaker 1: that interception, boy, I mean your your typewriter would have explode.
Speaker 1: Not typewright, I'm joking with you, Mickey, but you'd have
Speaker 1: had plenty to write about if he undercut that coun
Speaker 1: to cut it. But you gotta see over the top
Speaker 1: case had the legitimate opportunity and maybe just understanding the
Speaker 1: defense like Digs does. He probably thought, man, there's no
Speaker 1: way he's not gonna get this pick, and probably was
Speaker 1: really shocked that mac Jones even threw the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seemed to work out pretty well that they would that
Speaker 1: you would have headed score and give the offensive ball
Speaker 1: and didn't give him a chance to go down and
Speaker 1: kick a field going force overtime and winning it overtime,
Speaker 1: just the way they planned right, right, just the way
Speaker 1: they planned it. If if he gets stopped for a
Speaker 1: fifteen yard game, then they might go down and score
Speaker 1: a touchdown and don't have time to get the ball back.
Speaker 1: That was just a weird play altogether. I could not
Speaker 1: believe just the emotional swing from the pick six to
Speaker 1: you think you got the game one and then oh,
Speaker 1: twenty seconds later, here we go again. I mean, it
Speaker 1: made it reached a point where they had the game
Speaker 1: in the bag. I mean, if the Cowboys don't convert
Speaker 1: third and twenty five games. But that's that's this offense
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Speaker 1: right now, right now, Okay, we can throw a mix
Speaker 1: shot at you right now. The Dallas Cowboys have the
Speaker 1: number one offense in the National Football League. We know that, right, yep,
Speaker 1: that's a great mix shot. But you mickey, when it
Speaker 1: comes to red zone offense inside the twenty they ranked
Speaker 1: twenty fifth because they've only scored touchdowns on their twenty
Speaker 1: five red zone possessions fifty six percent of the time.
Speaker 1: Look at this fifty six percent of me. Well, because
Speaker 1: I just wrote this down myself. All right, Look, so
Speaker 1: how do you figure that they can go up and
Speaker 1: down the field ninety eight yards ninety nine yards, but
Speaker 1: they get inside the red zone and they can't go
Speaker 1: twenty yards or they can't go one yard because the
Speaker 1: official won't rule a touchdown. That's right. See, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: Percentage points is that worth on It might have got
Speaker 1: them to sixty percent. That's something they got to figure out. No,
Speaker 1: they do, and it's you have to This is a
Speaker 1: boring answer, probably, but you have to look at it
Speaker 1: like case by case every time they're down in there,
Speaker 1: because they've had situations like Bill said, where if they
Speaker 1: just put a chip in the football, that's probably two
Speaker 1: touchdowns right there. Uh, Dalton Schultz drops one in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Okay, that's three touchdowns that they've had some opportunities. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean they're they're too talented not to
Speaker 1: be better than they are. I forget who's number one,
Speaker 1: but it's like ninety percent maybe Green Bay, New Orleans,
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Okay, ninety two point nine percent. There's no
Speaker 1: reason they can't be that good. Do you have their numbers?
Speaker 1: They've scored touchdowns in the red zone thirteen out of
Speaker 1: fourteen possessions, but they've only had fourteen. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. The Cowboys have had how many possessions? Twenty five?
Speaker 1: And let me see who's had more Tampa Bay Arizona
Speaker 1: books right now? And the Chargers twenty six? How's Brady doing?
Speaker 1: And Buffalo twenty nine? How's Brady doing? Tampa Bay? Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay is twelfth sixty four point three percent one of
Speaker 1: the numbers. How many out of how many? Well, well,
Speaker 1: ask me all these at once. When I look at
Speaker 1: your shot, sixteen out of twenty six, sixteen out of
Speaker 1: twenty six, and the Cowboys are what fourteen out of
Speaker 1: twenty five? So if the Cowboys were got credit for
Speaker 1: that one quarterback, they'd be at sixty percent fifteen out
Speaker 1: of twenty five. And it's still not good. And you're
Speaker 1: twelfth and normally the what when you look at numbers
Speaker 1: like that, you say, well, okay, that you gotta be
Speaker 1: able to run the football. Well, they're number two rushing team.
Speaker 1: And is that kelling Moore criticism I hear no. I
Speaker 1: think they don't execute very well down the very early
Speaker 1: I mentioned those other three. Well, not according to Kellen Moore,
Speaker 1: because he said we got to be much better in
Speaker 1: the red zone. There was a bad fumble exchange, Dak
Speaker 1: lost one a couple of games ago Um the almost
Speaker 1: one in the end zone. Yeah, the pick that bounced
Speaker 1: off somebody's hands, deflected. There's some weird stuff that's happened
Speaker 1: down there. So I think it's a little it's a
Speaker 1: little skewed, but I do think. Look, when you're five
Speaker 1: and one, you gotta you gotta nitpick. You gotta find
Speaker 1: things that say we're not perfect. Yeah, are the scoring
Speaker 1: offense Cowboys? Well I have to look that up. What's
Speaker 1: the first It's the twilight zone, by the way, because
Speaker 1: the weird things keep happening, right, Yeah, I think yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're number one. They're number one. I gotta ask.
Speaker 1: I gotta ask this in comparison to last year. And
Speaker 1: I don't know what those actual numbers were. I'm sure
Speaker 1: they were much worse last year than they are. Right,
Speaker 1: Jones has the media guy. I do had the media guy.
Speaker 1: You want to look at it. I actually we did
Speaker 1: a mailbag on this last week. Let me see if
Speaker 1: I can pull it up. But I mean that ahead
Speaker 1: ask your question. That was I mean, I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that last year, last year, thirtieth last year, So I
Speaker 1: think there's that's some progression there were you proving, Come on, Mick, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thirtieth in red zone. Thank you for asking about Tampa.
Speaker 1: We put all their perspective right. What are the champs
Speaker 1: doing with half the offense missing last year? I mean,
Speaker 1: that's I don't even think you can compare it to
Speaker 1: last year. They didn't have it in the teams, but
Speaker 1: that was the biggest That was the biggest knock on
Speaker 1: Kella Moore was what he was, what he did in
Speaker 1: the red zone. I think I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: think it even goes back to twenty nineteen. And okay,
Speaker 1: so last year I had him at twenty nine. They
Speaker 1: were at fifty percent. Last year scoring touchdowns inside the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty nineteen they were fifteenth at fifty seven point
Speaker 1: four percent, so kind of right around where they are.
Speaker 1: But they just they are too talented not to be
Speaker 1: So what are they gonna do to improve it? Don't throw,
Speaker 1: don't turn the ball over? How many turn how many turnovers?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Well, dad of fumble? There's a pick? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sunday right right? Two two goal line sneaks that they
Speaker 1: didn't get right, didn't that they end up scoring on
Speaker 1: the first previous one, I can't remember. I don't think
Speaker 1: they did, but yeah, end up kicking a field goal maybe,
Speaker 1: so a couple turnovers, a couple couple weird six field
Speaker 1: goals in there too. Oddly enough, they're better at home
Speaker 1: in the red zone, Yeah they're not. Maybe they know
Speaker 1: how to navigate those twenty yards in at and t Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know. There's there's there's sixty nine
Speaker 1: percent at home, forty one percent on the road. Aha,
Speaker 1: home cooking going on road, road splits. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So they need more Connor McGovern on the goal line
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe uh catching a touchdown pass. Just don't
Speaker 1: be kicking field goal everything that kid's dream. That's right. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know what you know would be the good stat
Speaker 1: is how many times they've gotten in there and then
Speaker 1: committed a penalty, because I think that's happened quite a
Speaker 1: bit as a matter of fact, penalties. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: was that was the other thing. What they just it
Speaker 1: ORed everyone's mind, you know what. And I went back
Speaker 1: and looked at that play he's hired for the lead
Speaker 1: in the league. That was the weirdest, weirdest holding penalty
Speaker 1: I think I've ever seen, because he's got two guys
Speaker 1: come and buy him on each side, and they pushed
Speaker 1: him and his arms came out like this. Right. He
Speaker 1: didn't hold anybody because they got to dak right. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and just knowing him and his nature for him
Speaker 1: to mouth off at the officials, you know, he must
Speaker 1: have thought he got screwed. I couldn't see from we
Speaker 1: were on the field at that point or near near
Speaker 1: the field. Did he throw the flag? Did he pick
Speaker 1: up the umpire the umpire through the flag. No, I
Speaker 1: saw him go pick up the flag. Okay. I think
Speaker 1: he said something, and I think he said after the game,
Speaker 1: he Chris, was he in your interview or yes he was,
Speaker 1: and he said something like I told him you suck
Speaker 1: or something like that. I told me it's not bad.
Speaker 1: Come on, the best thing to say doing But you
Speaker 1: don't have to have a rabbit ears. The funny thing is,
Speaker 1: is the guy who's flag like an umpire throwing out. Yes,
Speaker 1: he threw it from so high it was like like
Speaker 1: with like a vengeance, like where's the umpire? At least
Speaker 1: ten yards behind the line of scrimmage. The flag landed
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage. No, Mick, he was in
Speaker 1: the he was in the mix because he was spotting
Speaker 1: the ball at the time. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: The flag ended up where they spotted the ball, but
Speaker 1: that's where he was. It went straight up in the air.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought he threw it through it. Same
Speaker 1: umpire that was overlooking deck in the end zone on
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Not the brightest guy. I can't get a
Speaker 1: flag for that. So no, that guy was that. That
Speaker 1: guy made the call on on the sideline. He came
Speaker 1: running in like he knew everything. Oh yeah, but then
Speaker 1: he waited to unpile before he decided where the ball
Speaker 1: was going to be. And then he tells the head coach,
Speaker 1: I couldn't see the ball, And if I was the
Speaker 1: head coach, I would have said, well, absolutely, you couldn't
Speaker 1: see it because it was in the end zone. I
Speaker 1: saw the free shrink where so over the top video
Speaker 1: and Dax's lay in the end zone. He says he
Speaker 1: couldn't see the ball in someone but unless the ball
Speaker 1: is stuck up, yes, yes, that's all he was looking
Speaker 1: at exactly. That's the only thing that was out of
Speaker 1: the end zone. I couldn't see the ball, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna spot at six inches short. I was wondering how
Speaker 1: long it would take for you to get pissed off
Speaker 1: about the officiation. Oh I had my hat in here
Speaker 1: on Monday. Oh yeah, yeah, And I'm now going back
Speaker 1: to see because I tweeted out the you tweeted the
Speaker 1: picture from the overhead. Yeah, so offensively when you get
Speaker 1: in the red zone, I mean, I believe that we've
Speaker 1: been utilizing the tight ends. They throw a lot when
Speaker 1: they get down into the red zone, and I think
Speaker 1: the change that everyone wants to see is Zeke just
Speaker 1: push it up in there. And even in that gold
Speaker 1: line stands. They ran ze twice and got nothing, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you go with Dak twice. So whatever it is,
Speaker 1: especially in the gold in the in the end zone
Speaker 1: and the red zone, excuse me, we gotta figure that
Speaker 1: that portion of it out, because it again some of
Speaker 1: those ghosts of Christmas Pass came back to us when
Speaker 1: he seemed like when Kellen gets down there kind of
Speaker 1: panics and doesn't know what to actually go to. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They ram Zeke in there pretty good,
Speaker 1: and he didn't make it the first time, right, No,
Speaker 1: he didn't. Twice twice right outside and inside. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: all right, we can they just need to send them
Speaker 1: towards the pieline cam right, Okay, no, let me just
Speaker 1: ask you, actually, each each of you, what would you
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Speaker 1: at the end? Hey? You don't think they wrote hey
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Speaker 1: little signature. Nikki's good work for the week. For the week,
Speaker 1: Oh I gotta clean something up, you guys asked me,
Speaker 1: where was I in No. Four? And ourselves in Puerto Rico?
Speaker 1: Why I got left Puerto Rico and No. Two? I
Speaker 1: got married in No. Four? My wife reminded me, so
Speaker 1: let me you know she's listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, Well, Nikki,
Speaker 1: you just keep checking his facts. So when's your anniversary?
Speaker 1: June nineteenth, twenty twenty four. Okay, you got that, You're good.
Speaker 1: I love it. Two thousand and four, two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: two thousand anniversary. Yes, June team, that's nice. Good you
Speaker 1: plan it that way or just I did? I did?
Speaker 1: Was it on a Saturday that year? It was all right,
Speaker 1: that's easy to spot on the calendar. Okay, when we're
Speaker 1: gonna get worried, I will ever forget it. Teeth is
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. So there it is. There we go
Speaker 1: in Dallas, in Dallas, in Dallas. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: so I said, cleaned it up. I'm sorry, guysn't mean
Speaker 1: take a surprised it took you. That was debatings my
Speaker 1: head shot right there. Okay, I like, what does everybody
Speaker 1: know what day they get married on? Day of the week?
Speaker 1: I got married on Saturday? Saturday? Yeah, okay, Saturday, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: Saturday typicallycually not a Monday. All you guys are at
Speaker 1: my wedding, So there are more Friday There are more
Speaker 1: Friday weddings now now that people use venues and sometimes
Speaker 1: the venue you want is taken on Saturday. I know
Speaker 1: that from personal experience with about the one of my
Speaker 1: daughters that I paid thousands and thousands of dollars good
Speaker 1: things on a Friday. What about the actual number on
Speaker 1: the day he got that? Still like like okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: already want us to go around the table and tell
Speaker 1: everyone a r ever three dates? You know what your
Speaker 1: mix shot? You know how I picked mine? Now what
Speaker 1: are we doing here? Come on? How'd you pick yours out? Mike?
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I didn't want to have to cover another
Speaker 1: ring games Saturday. I tell you what. There's a rule
Speaker 1: in our family. You're not getting married during football seats. No,
Speaker 1: not football season, spring games. Oh wow wow? All right,
Speaker 1: So what's your mix shot? My mix shot is hit
Speaker 1: the music, Chris. I want you guys to basically tell
Speaker 1: me for unexpected performances by Cowboy players in six games,
Speaker 1: the top four Yes, well that's going to take and
Speaker 1: if you have five, you come up with five. Okay,
Speaker 1: So number one on the list is trey Von has
Speaker 1: seven picks in six games. He's among the top four. Okay,
Speaker 1: Osa Dicky Zuwa love hey, I love it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I put that on here, but I curse Curse, Curse,
Speaker 1: Curse was number one on my list. I thought he
Speaker 1: was the way you phrased it, the way you phrased it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: just the number Terence Steele steals in there. What number?
Speaker 1: I had him third? Okay? So your number one was curse,
Speaker 1: with three was Steel and I just put Digs down
Speaker 1: as as four. So we where we putting Zeke start
Speaker 1: to the season. I expected it from him, Okay. I
Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but I did, and I
Speaker 1: expected Dad, you expected it starting win. I mean when
Speaker 1: did you with Zeke? I mean from the very beginning,
Speaker 1: like from January first of last whenever you knew that
Speaker 1: Zeke was going to perform. Okay, how about June first, okay,
Speaker 1: because I'll give it. I'll give it the first week
Speaker 1: at training camp. First week at training camp, I saw
Speaker 1: him and I said, shut him down. I mean, just
Speaker 1: have him ready for the season. He's ready to go.
Speaker 1: So off the top of my head. My expectans were
Speaker 1: dak zeke Um basically the wide receivers, the top three,
Speaker 1: Gregory and Parsons. You expected Parsons to be this good? Oh,
Speaker 1: heavily us. I wanted to draft. I know you did.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I know you must have heard me say oh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I heard you, but unless you
Speaker 1: were saying it in March, I was saying it, Okay,
Speaker 1: well good. So your list again is curse, unexpected, the unexpected,
Speaker 1: one more, the surprises, Yeah, one more? You had curse
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. No, and you're Cedric Wilson. Okay, Cedric Wilson, Okay,
Speaker 1: but you know what he's done this when he's been
Speaker 1: given opportunity, but not this value. I got one good,
Speaker 1: we get a top five, you go first. Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: all right, I got I love. I'm gonna throw a
Speaker 1: name out there. He got double digit catches. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: throw a name out there because during the game on Sunday,
Speaker 1: I got a text from one of our producers at
Speaker 1: CBS eleven, Chris Bullock, who said, is Dalton Schultz the
Speaker 1: biggest surprise on this team? And my answer was no,
Speaker 1: he did this last year. Last I said he did
Speaker 1: it last year. Now I will say this, he's taking
Speaker 1: it to another level this year. And he but he
Speaker 1: is benefiting from all the other weapons because he's the
Speaker 1: guy that's open a lot of times, but you still
Speaker 1: have to make the catch right, and he's doing I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything away from him when I say
Speaker 1: his breakout year was last year. He was the surprise
Speaker 1: last year because of what he was able to but
Speaker 1: touchdown catches this year, yeah, you know, No, I think
Speaker 1: he's been good, but I think we saw it coming.
Speaker 1: And I told him, no, the biggest surprises curse because
Speaker 1: I had to and I don't remember what the answer
Speaker 1: to this is, but I had to go back quite
Speaker 1: a way to find somebody a cowboy tight end with
Speaker 1: sixty catches in a season not named Witten. And I
Speaker 1: don't remember what I found. Oh, but I found something.
Speaker 1: It might have been may Nova check. Have. It might
Speaker 1: have been Nova check or Cosby because you can you
Speaker 1: can well you'd have to go year by year on
Speaker 1: Nova check, right. I don't know how the number one
Speaker 1: answer can't be Trayvon Dicks. And that's not talking about
Speaker 1: his talent, like just this is this is, this is
Speaker 1: unheard of. I didn't rank them. I just wrote down
Speaker 1: the group. Yeah, okay, okay, and and and it's the
Speaker 1: number of it. We knew that he was right, you
Speaker 1: knew he could be a special player. It's a different
Speaker 1: like just like when you the way you phrased it,
Speaker 1: what's the surprising number, the surprising number seven? Pick? Yeah,
Speaker 1: six Right, it's uh, it's almost turning into like Roy Hobbs,
Speaker 1: the natural type stuff. There is something like special forces
Speaker 1: at work here. I mean, it's it's crazy what he's
Speaker 1: doing right now, absolutely, even on tip balls. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reason it's crazy is because we have guys seen it. Guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well guys, well we saw it, and we didn't see
Speaker 1: it in this number of games to start the season.
Speaker 1: I mean we saw it with Everson Walls his rookie
Speaker 1: year in nineteen eighty. That's what That's what I was
Speaker 1: about to say. He that was a different era. There
Speaker 1: were more interceptions. I mean, all you got to do
Speaker 1: is go back and look at the quarterback numbers back. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing about Traymon is I don't think he
Speaker 1: thinks it's crazy because one he told us this last
Speaker 1: interception he had it scouted he saw that route, he
Speaker 1: knew it was coming and made a play on it.
Speaker 1: That's film study. And he also told me a training
Speaker 1: camp and he kind of had a look on it
Speaker 1: like he was pissed off at himself that I got
Speaker 1: my hands on this number of balls last year and
Speaker 1: I didn't come up with them. Basically for him, it's
Speaker 1: just like I just needed to catch him. If he
Speaker 1: was going to be pissed off last year, it should
Speaker 1: have been a number of times he got clock looking
Speaker 1: at the quarterback and got beat. Well. Part of that
Speaker 1: because he paid a price for starting as a rookie.
Speaker 1: I thought Mick Novicheck did it in ninety two and
Speaker 1: ninety five, Okay, thank you. He had to go back
Speaker 1: thirty some year, almost thirty years. He had sixty eight
Speaker 1: catches in ninety two. But daal And is turning himself
Speaker 1: into a legit weapon on yes, And I don't think
Speaker 1: that anyone before, and we've talked about this at length.
Speaker 1: You know, when he was in the battle with Jarwin
Speaker 1: and Jarwin took the reins and was you know, team
Speaker 1: favorite got the contract. But now you're you're really at
Speaker 1: the crossroads now with him, because he's in the contract year.
Speaker 1: You can't let that go. Can The biggest I don't
Speaker 1: think so. The biggest talk in the offseason is Michael
Speaker 1: Gallup has an expiring contract. Well, now it's Dalton Schultz.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory is making an early season case to be
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl based on the way he's playing.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But yeah, that's three unrestricted free agents to
Speaker 1: be where you're like, how do they pay everybody? Four
Speaker 1: sacks every six games? That's not bad. And just to
Speaker 1: further that point, just when Bill Belichick double team Schultz
Speaker 1: in the red zone, that's just the testament to the
Speaker 1: respect that teams would have starting to half for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: back on Dig's numbers. So now in his career, he's
Speaker 1: played eighteen games. He had three picks last year. Seven
Speaker 1: show he's got ten picks his first eighteen games of
Speaker 1: his career. Everson his rookie year, had eleven in the
Speaker 1: regular season sixteen games, and then in two postseason games
Speaker 1: he had two interceptions. So he had thirteen interceptions the
Speaker 1: first eighteen games of his career, including this postseason. Well,
Speaker 1: if you look, if you look at how he finished
Speaker 1: the year last year, he had a pick in game fifteen,
Speaker 1: so he's so in the last eight games, he's got
Speaker 1: eight picks. Pretty amazing, pretty amazing, and other play the
Speaker 1: only other player to do that as Rod Woodson to
Speaker 1: have as many as he's had up until this point. Oh,
Speaker 1: you mean in your career? Yeah, I think that might
Speaker 1: be mini games. Yeah, through this many games. Wow. So
Speaker 1: I mean that's great company, that's great company. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It took gosh, took Everson sixteen games to get eleven, Mick,
Speaker 1: I wonder what he had the year before that too,
Speaker 1: you know, with the sixteen and I mean the next year.
Speaker 1: I didn't mean the year before I met the next year,
Speaker 1: because remember he had seven in the right nine games
Speaker 1: he did I've got I know you were ready to
Speaker 1: jump out. I would no, I was going to rod
Speaker 1: Woods and now I gotta go look up Everson. So,
Speaker 1: did y'all have any shots? You want to throw it
Speaker 1: out of time? Aren't we? Well? Now we can, we can.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to answer Mickey's question on Everson Walls
Speaker 1: if y'all will just lamp for a second. So no, So, then,
Speaker 1: so he had basically had eighteen picks in twenty four games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had Everson in eighty two, had seven picks at
Speaker 1: eleven picks and eighty one in twenty five games. He
Speaker 1: had eighteen interceptions, throwing the two playoffs games. Yeah, throwing
Speaker 1: the two playoff games. But he always reminds us in
Speaker 1: the game with the catch, he had two picks in
Speaker 1: that game. No one remembers that. I think he had
Speaker 1: a fumble recovery too. Yes, he did two and two
Speaker 1: in one game. But I just wanted to tell Mickey
Speaker 1: for my mix shot. Then I'm booking my trip to
Speaker 1: Sofi for the super Bowl. You know what, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be a super Bowl. There is gonna be a super Bowl,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be there, Mickey, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be there together. You'll be there. I love it. I've
Speaker 1: been playing that role on mix shots, have you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play there. I did last year too, even
Speaker 1: when they were no, no, you don't have them check
Speaker 1: you out? Should we give them our little saying from Everson?
Speaker 1: What is it? If seven gets eleven, we're going to heaven?
Speaker 1: Seven gets Oh that God? Dad? All right, you got
Speaker 1: very quickly. We're talking about things. We talked about red zone,
Speaker 1: things that they can improve on. Defensively, we all know
Speaker 1: that's been really good. Defensively, run defense has been good.
Speaker 1: They've only given up five hundred and seventeen yards on
Speaker 1: the ground, haven't been tested a lot. Cowboys have rushed
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety four times, opponents have only gone
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty one. And he carries against them,
Speaker 1: and the Patriots ran right at them and had some
Speaker 1: success doing it. Next game, Dalvin Cook Minnesota, great test.
Speaker 1: And that's something you know. Dan Quinn spoke about the
Speaker 1: run defense. He's pretty happy with it, but that's something
Speaker 1: they have to keep growing at as the season goes on.
Speaker 1: Was the biggest problem on defense last year? I love it? Well, mackey, Mickey, okay,
Speaker 1: you got one more thing. Okay, the biggest problem they've
Speaker 1: got is past defense. Because as good as the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have thrown the ball this year, the opponents have twenty
Speaker 1: two more yards passing than the Cowboys do. That's got
Speaker 1: a change, it does, all right. And now, Mickey, do
Speaker 1: you have a parting word for us as we go
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Speaker 1: Don't be going crazy watching Oklahoma and you know, and
Speaker 1: going out partying afterwards. You know, stay with your family
Speaker 1: and friends, all right, and go to bed before midnight
Speaker 1: or at least before two. That won't be a problem, okay,
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