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Speaker 1: Oh a good time old by Steve Plasterers time Bastie

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Speaker 1: backs down at all time. Welcome to a beautiful Wednesday

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Speaker 1: in Western New York. We're here one Bill's Live Steve

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Speaker 1: Task along with Chris Brown, starting up hump Day today

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Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff going on. The Hall of

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Speaker 1: they are going to go on as planned in August

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Speaker 1: with their game and their induction ceremony. You've got the

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Speaker 1: Player's Coalition with fourteen hundred signatures. Uh, yours truly included

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Speaker 1: that sent it a letter to Congress uh for change

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Speaker 1: in uh in the way the police officer police, Uh,

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Speaker 1: well the way things are going now because of the

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Speaker 1: social injustice we're facing. It was a letter that had

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Speaker 1: all to do with that NASCAR. Yesterday we had the

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Speaker 1: big topic of what would it looked like? Do you

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Speaker 1: want fans in the stands? How do you want the

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Speaker 1: broadcast to look like? A NASCAR is going with some

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Speaker 1: fans at upcoming events the English Premier League and the

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Speaker 1: with cardboard cutouts and digital imaged fans, which it right.

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Speaker 1: So it's got their own ideas about how to do

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Speaker 1: it once they start televising this stuff. I think the

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Speaker 1: most pressing thing for us, and the most current thing

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Speaker 1: fact that the Hall of Fame is getting off and

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Speaker 1: getting off to a start. They think they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to try and have their Hall of Fame game on

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Speaker 1: schedule in August. That first and foremost, and then of

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Speaker 1: course the Player's Coalition sending a letter to Congress as well,

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Speaker 1: is on the docket today. Yeah, I realized some people

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Speaker 1: may not have seen this yet, so let's just kind

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Speaker 1: of paint the picture here a little bit. So it's

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Speaker 1: basically players, current and former coaches, and front office reps

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Speaker 1: from across the professional sports landscape, like a lot of

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Speaker 1: the major professional leagues that kind of joined forces under

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Speaker 1: the umbrella of the Players Coalition to sign what is

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Speaker 1: essentially a petition, a petition urging Congress to pass a

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Speaker 1: bill that was introduced by Representatives Justin Amash and Ayana

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Speaker 1: Presley to end qualified immunity for the nation's law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: And for those that don't know what qualified immunity is,

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Speaker 1: it's basically shielded law enforcement from any liability even when

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Speaker 1: their actions have been egregious in exercising force. And I

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Speaker 1: wasn't aware of this part of qualified immunity, Steve, but

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has actually expanded those protections over the

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Speaker 1: years for law enforcement. So what that does is it

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Speaker 1: makes it extremely challenging to sue police officers for brutality. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, we've seen protests for the better part of

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Speaker 1: there have been asking, well, what's next. This is a

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Speaker 1: good first step in terms of trying to enact real

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Speaker 1: change for the problems that exists in the law enforcement

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Speaker 1: area as it pertains to people of color. So kudos

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Speaker 1: to you for attaching your name to that, along with

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Speaker 1: a lot of your other former teammates. There's even some

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Speaker 1: current Bills players names who appear on there. Dion Dawkins

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Speaker 1: name I saw on there, along with E. J. Gaines,

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Speaker 1: So current and former players on there. So I know

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Speaker 1: I also know this. I've got friends, close friends who

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Speaker 1: law enforcement. And the small percentage of cops who perpetrate

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Speaker 1: people of color, but everybody are benefiting from these qualified

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Speaker 1: immunities and they shouldn't. And the vast majority of the

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Speaker 1: huge percentage of cops don't need them, well, right, And

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Speaker 1: that's so that's what that's the change. I think that

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Speaker 1: in general. I mean, you look at airline pilots, under

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Speaker 1: bad pilot. What about a bad surgeon. Surgeon doesn't last

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Speaker 1: very long either. There's a lot another way to look

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Speaker 1: other way. Now, yeah, with their with their co workers.

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Speaker 1: Is essentially again it is really is it get out

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Speaker 1: accountability has to start, I think, no question, from from

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Speaker 1: You can't if you start to hold them all accountable,

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Speaker 1: then even the guys who weren't involved or whatever, who

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Speaker 1: they were away from the act, that they all have

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Speaker 1: it gives good cops a window to hold each other accountable,

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Speaker 1: and therefore the bad cops don't slip through the cracks

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Speaker 1: So I just you know, so if this can be handled,

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Speaker 1: But if this can be a first step and it's

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Speaker 1: handled at the federal level, I think the trickle down

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Speaker 1: this guy. He is awful and something bad's gonna happen

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Speaker 1: and it's gonna look bad for all of us. We

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Speaker 1: gotta get rid of this guy. Yeah, I think too.

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Speaker 1: There's no question that the bar needs to be set

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Speaker 1: Don't forget people of color never get out from under it.

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Speaker 1: It's always there, everywhere they go, every day of their

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Speaker 1: need to be said also, Steve that I think we

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Speaker 1: it will be changed. I don't know, but no question,

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing, but because there's so many men

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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell said himself, I protest with you, I protest

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Speaker 1: and then they've got Sam Darnold and two behind that,

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Speaker 1: they've got Baker Mayfield. Not too good for that two

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Speaker 1: thousand well eighteen draft class. The best is the rite

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Speaker 1: up that they had on Josh Oh Yes seeing Fahey

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Speaker 1: that put this list together, and he writes, if quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: weren't allowed to scramble, Josh Allen would be one of

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Speaker 1: the worst quarterbacks to ever play in the NFL. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what a stupid opening sentences. It's a totally mood point

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Speaker 1: news flash. Quarterbacks are allowed to scramble. So he goes

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Speaker 1: on and says he has no poise, no intelligence, and

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Speaker 1: no accuracy. His decision making is atrocious, highlighted by that

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter against the Texans in the playoffs, and he

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Speaker 1: panics when his first read isn't available. Alan's athleticism has

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Speaker 1: helped him make enough plays for the Bills to reach

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, but his primary role has been to limit

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Speaker 1: a roster that is better than the results it's gleaned

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Speaker 1: with him. I mean, how can you put a quarterback

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Speaker 1: that led his team to a ten win season in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs twenty fifth? Yeah, and the thing about if

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Speaker 1: he weren't route out of his croun How good would

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson be if he wasn't allowed to scramble? How

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Speaker 1: good would Holmes? How good would Mahomes be if he

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Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to scramble? He's got Daniel Jones ranked one

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Speaker 1: spot ahead of Josh And for Daniel Jones, his stat

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Speaker 1: listing at the top of the description is Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: through thirty interceptible passes last season, only three quarterbacks through more. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you're so wrapped up with accuracy, how the hell

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Speaker 1: is Daniel Jones ranked ahead of Josh Allen if he

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Speaker 1: threw thirty interceptible passes last season? Now I'm getting angry. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting That's what I said to be a

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Speaker 1: really polarizing and I think one of the one you

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Speaker 1: can say this is at certain point it doesn't become

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Speaker 1: about Josh Allen anymore. It becomes about the reporter's credibility,

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Speaker 1: and they either have to double down or they take

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Speaker 1: it personally. When when the Bills mafia jumps them on

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Speaker 1: Twitter or social media or in their in their replies

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Speaker 1: and crushes them, and then it becomes personal for these guys. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a ton of social media is the best

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Speaker 1: at this Brownie because you'll see guys, you know, they

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Speaker 1: just block people constantly because once they come out with

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Speaker 1: a strong opinion, uh, fans of whatever player they're talking

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Speaker 1: about jump them. The fans of that team or that player.

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Speaker 1: So they double down. And some of them, it seems,

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Speaker 1: just decide to double down for no other reasons. They

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Speaker 1: don't care if they're right or wrong anymore. They just

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Speaker 1: want to double down to make sure that, you know,

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Speaker 1: they get hurt. And it also ups their clicks from

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Speaker 1: that fan base, you know. So there's some of that

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Speaker 1: going on. I'm sure I know this. Me, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I can't speak for all Bills fans, but me, I'll

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Speaker 1: take the guy we got. I'll take our quarterback because

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Speaker 1: I think there's a team that wins with him, and

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Speaker 1: I think he does elevate the people around him. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's like what Faye He's just said, where

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Speaker 1: the roster should be better than it was, and it's

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Speaker 1: the reason it's not is because of Josh. I think

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Speaker 1: there are enough instances in the season where you can

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Speaker 1: say guys he raised their level because of who he

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Speaker 1: is and the kind of player he is off the field.

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Speaker 1: In the locker room, on the practice field, in the

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Speaker 1: meeting rooms and that kind of thing. So I think, well,

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Speaker 1: I think the Bills are pretty happy with the guy

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Speaker 1: they've got right now, and they think they can win

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Speaker 1: with him. In fact, they I think they believe they

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Speaker 1: can go the distance with them right And you know,

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Speaker 1: they've only fortified the roster all the more to do

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Speaker 1: that and to cater to his strength. So good for

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Speaker 1: them for recognizing that. But I still I don't. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm not And we can get into this in the

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Speaker 1: next segment or later in the show. Here, I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that Josh Allen's a top five quarterback in the league,

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Speaker 1: but in my estimation, he's probably top twelve, and if

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Speaker 1: you want to argue me on that, he's definitely top half.

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Speaker 1: I mean, twenty five, twenty second. What are we doing? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does seem a little low to me. I gotta,

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Speaker 1: I gotta admit, I mean, I'm I get I get guys,

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Speaker 1: and they gotta they got a job doing their opinions

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Speaker 1: or what their is, what their job is, But that

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Speaker 1: just strikes me as I don't know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: off the off the wall, there's a lot more to

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Speaker 1: discuss here, and I'm sure I think Josh Allen up

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Speaker 1: the tweet sheet. I think get to that. The thing

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Speaker 1: that gets me, Brownie is I think Josh Allen has

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Speaker 1: proved more in this league, and despite his shortcomings, he's

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Speaker 1: proven more in this league than more than a handful

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Speaker 1: of the guys ahead of him at twenty two. Some

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Speaker 1: of these guys haven't taken a snap, and I have

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Speaker 1: another important set that we can get to on the

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Speaker 1: other side that we speak to his value. We'll take

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Speaker 1: a big breath and a break right here. This one

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Speaker 1: Bills Live Because, presented by Collide at Health We've got

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Speaker 1: uh It Reynolds. We've got Neil Reynolds coming on uk

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Speaker 1: NFL coming on. He's got the Neil Reynolds podcast he started.

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Speaker 1: He's coming up in the one o'clock hour. Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown broadcasting Radio Only. We'll be back on MSG

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Speaker 1: soon enough. This is presented by Clyde to Healthham. This

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Speaker 1: is Buffalo Bill's Radio Takong with Chris Brown. I got

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Speaker 1: a mouthful of sandwich here, caught me coming back early better.

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Speaker 1: That is my bad, my totally my bed. But we're

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Speaker 1: talking about Josh Allen is he underrated? Bills fans are

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Speaker 1: saying eighty twenty, Yeah, he is. And you had a

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Speaker 1: stat that you alluded to right before the break about

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Speaker 1: one of your stats that kind of gets swept under

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Speaker 1: the rug and for whatever reason, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: a pretty important stat that does get overlooked. What is it.

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Speaker 1: It's called total touchdown, Steve, not some advanced analytic or

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Speaker 1: metric you know that people just came up with in

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Speaker 1: the last two or three years. It's called scoring putting

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Speaker 1: points on the porch. Okay, he gets under your skin,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it? When people this gets me hot. I just

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Speaker 1: I get so incensed with just people that look at

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Speaker 1: maybe one specific part of quarterback play and and just

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Speaker 1: pull out the rubber stamp and just say this guy,

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Speaker 1: is this when I think you have to you got

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Speaker 1: to do your job and dig a little deeper than that.

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Speaker 1: And so for you look at total touchdowns okay, in

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Speaker 1: the in the league, and so we're talking obviously rushing

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Speaker 1: and passing touchdowns for a quarterback. I think we all

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Speaker 1: know the league MVP Lamar Jackson led the league last year, okay,

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Speaker 1: with forty three offensive touchdowns, thirty six passing seven rushing

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Speaker 1: number one in the league. Okay, good number. Yeah. Tied

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Speaker 1: for second in the league was Russell Wilson and Jay

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Speaker 1: miss Winston okay with thirty four, and Dak Prescott and

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson essentially tied for what is fourth, okay with

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Speaker 1: thirty three total. Josh Allen's next with twenty nine. Okay. So,

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Speaker 1: and and this is in an offense where Brandon Bean

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Speaker 1: and Sean mcdermots say they've got to score more points, right,

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Speaker 1: And while Josh Allen is a part of that, he's

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00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily the problem because because hey, he's he's got

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Speaker 1: he's he's fifth in the league with total touchdowns from

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Speaker 1: last year. So and there's there's no questions because yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I've always said this, their office did need to

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Speaker 1: be more efficient. And what it comes down to for

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Speaker 1: me isn't really the like it comes down to just

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Speaker 1: staying on the field and sometimes they just don't. And

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Speaker 1: and whether it's an inaccurate throw or whatever, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: you can throw that at Josh, but I do know this, um,

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Speaker 1: this is a team uh that maximizes what he brings

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Speaker 1: to the table. And he got I mean, there were

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Speaker 1: people saying he would never be, you know, a sixty

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Speaker 1: percent completion guy while he was fifty nine last year. Um,

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Speaker 1: and that's I think he's gonna take another step forward

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Speaker 1: this year. There's no question about it. It's a great

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Speaker 1: roster around him, no question. Uh. And I don't and

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Speaker 1: I don't shy away from the fact that it does

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Speaker 1: come down to Josh Allen's how good this team will be.

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Speaker 1: I think this team goes as far as he takes him,

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Speaker 1: but I'm willing to ride with that. I think the

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Speaker 1: guy's got a lot under the hood, and I think

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Speaker 1: this team hits on a lot of cylinders that other

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't get their teams to hit on. And I,

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Speaker 1: you know, I like I like the guy, uh, not

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Speaker 1: only professionally as a quarterback, but also personally. I think

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Speaker 1: he brings a lot to the table, and I think

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Speaker 1: his teammates respond to him in kind. So it's like

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Speaker 1: eighty twenty. Most people do think Josh Allen is under value,

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Speaker 1: particular when you're talking about him being like what number

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Speaker 1: twenty two on the rankings? Are we quoted? And there's

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Speaker 1: other people haven't even lower than that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there's one that has him high and some in

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Speaker 1: some ranking at least high. That's flattering. Uh, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. But here with the total touchdown things, Steve,

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Speaker 1: I mean you say, okay, great, he's got a high ranking.

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Speaker 1: That's it. That's more than Drew Brees. That's more than

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Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. That's more than Patrick Mahomes, your super Bowl MVP. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he had twenty eight offensive touchdowns last year. Josh had

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Speaker 1: twenty nine. It's more than Tom Brady, more than Matt Ryan.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I could go on and on here. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's there's five quarterbacks who had more total touchdowns than

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen last year. Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Jameis Winston,

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, DeShawn Watson. That's it. That's it. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: so what do you think Bill's fans? Is Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: under valley? Yes or no? And why we've got a

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Speaker 1: bunch of as you can tell, I mean, we're anytime

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Speaker 1: you start talking about Josh, you know, Brownie, we get

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Speaker 1: a ton of responses and the tweet sheets filling up

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Speaker 1: really fast. And the first one is Bill's quarterback, Josh

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: Allen undervalued? Yes or no? And Jordan says this. Most

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Speaker 1: people just look at stats and see completion percentage, which

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Speaker 1: confirms their pre draft narrative. Anyone who actually watches Bills

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Speaker 1: games can see the improvements Josh has made or Alan

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Speaker 1: has made that he passes the eyeball test. He's a winner.

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Speaker 1: That's right along the lines of what you've been saying

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Speaker 1: all along during this debate from draft day all the

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Speaker 1: way through now, is you know your the eyeball test.

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Speaker 1: He passes, I think, and that's for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: That's good enough, particularly when your team wins ten games,

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Speaker 1: no question about it. And I'll take it a step further.

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Speaker 1: So what convinced me that the Bills had their quarterback

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Speaker 1: was Josh's game down in Miami in twenty eighteen, when

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Speaker 1: he essentially put the team on his back and almost

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Speaker 1: willed them to a to a victory short of a

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Speaker 1: Charles Clay drop at the gold line. Yes, he had

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Speaker 1: defenders spinning like a top screwing him into the ground

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Speaker 1: with his rushing ability. He was throwing darts and almost

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Speaker 1: willed that team to a win. And that was a

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Speaker 1: roster that didn't have nearly the amount of weapons that

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Speaker 1: the Bill's roster had. The subsequent year in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: when I saw that game, and I watched it from

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Speaker 1: start to finish because I was sitting there in the

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Speaker 1: press box, that told me the Bills have their guy.

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Speaker 1: Guy's a gamer and he's a winner. Yea, even though

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Speaker 1: we didn't win that game. Specifics and further down tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet and by the by the way, the tweet sheet

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment

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Speaker 1: moving moving of the Buffalo Bills. The next one down

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Speaker 1: on the tweet sheets from CS branded deep ball, consistency

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Speaker 1: and touch, lack of focusing poison the second half of

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Speaker 1: last year's playoff game. It's the only things I can

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Speaker 1: think of. He has a high ceiling, though, and let

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Speaker 1: the critics do what they do. And that's a from CS.

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Speaker 1: He's like saying, you know what, I don't care. He's like, get,

642
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Speaker 1: I don't care what the critics saying. The guy passes

643
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: the eye test, he's getting better. Let's ride with him.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are in that boat. Brownie,

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, freely and you too, I mean, we freely

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Speaker 1: acknowledge the guy has shortcomings. But most of the quarterbacks

647
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Speaker 1: you can name do but we're riding with this guy

648
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: because we've seen how it looks when he's on the

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Speaker 1: field and we like it well. And not only that,

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Speaker 1: I think to his credit, he's improving on some of

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Speaker 1: those deficiencies as well. He's narrowing the gap between his

652
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Speaker 1: strengths and his weaknesses, and I think that's admirable. I

653
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Speaker 1: think the other reason why he's bashed as much as

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Speaker 1: he does as much as he is, is because the

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Speaker 1: game that everybody saw of him, if they didn't see

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00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: a lot of him, was the Houston game in the playoffs.

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00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: It's a nationwide game, it's a postseason game, everybody's tuned in.

658
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Speaker 1: And did he make a couple of squirrely decisions at

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Speaker 1: the end of the game. Yes, And I think it

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00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: was rooted in the fact that he just witnessed to

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Speaker 1: Shaun Watson lead his team down the field to put

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Speaker 1: them in position to win the game. And I think

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Speaker 1: a young Josh Allen sat on the sidelines and said, well,

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Speaker 1: I have to do that now. And I think he

665
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: took too much of it on himself, and some of

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00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: those squirrely plays happened, and I think it's going to

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Speaker 1: be one of the best lessons for him going forward

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Speaker 1: in terms of picking his spots on when to maybe

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Speaker 1: rely on his own ability a little bit more and

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Speaker 1: went to pull off the reins and put the ball

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Speaker 1: in the hands of his playmakers and let them do

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Speaker 1: the work for him. But people saw that and say

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00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: and just out of hands, woh, this guy doesn't know

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00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: what to do in crunch time. He can't do it.

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00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: It's poor decision maker, you know, can't make a play.

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00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: He was in the time five last year of drop

677
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: passes by his receivers in the league. So you can

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Speaker 1: make the numbers say whatever you want. I'm not gonna

679
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: say he's a pinpoint accurate passer, but he improved last year.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to take another step this year.

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00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: So you roll that all in with what he can

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Speaker 1: do already in terms of point production and the like.

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Speaker 1: You have something there, certainly, something that's certainly better than

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Speaker 1: being ranked in the lower third in the league. Right,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, And it's certainly last year in

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Speaker 1: some aspects of his game, and certainly by them, you know,

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Speaker 1: by the naked eye, the loss of the long ball

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Speaker 1: last year. I think one thing had happened is because

689
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Speaker 1: it was a startling difference from the year before. When

690
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Speaker 1: but you remember the year before in twenty eighteen, how

691
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Speaker 1: is the only thing they had right? Well? And nothing right?

692
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Speaker 1: And here's the here's the other narrative that gains too

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Speaker 1: much steam with respected Josh Allen's game. They say, oh,

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Speaker 1: the guy can throw at eighty yards and then the

695
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: critics says, yeah, but look, he can't even complete a

696
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Speaker 1: deep ball to save his life. So what the heck

697
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: do you have there? If he can't connect on deep passes,

698
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: he got nothing. They don't look at the rest of

699
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: his game. You want to talk about the greatest improvement

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00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 1: in Josh Allen's game from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen,

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00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: it's the short to intermediate passing game. That wasn't a

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00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: part of his game. As you just referenced Steve. All

703
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: they had was the deep ball, right he added that

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00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: to his repertoire. It was a definitive addition to his

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00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: game as a passer last year, without question, But nobody

706
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: looked at that right now, at least I've said this too.

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Speaker 1: In his rookie season twenty eighteen, you could see him

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Speaker 1: get better week by week by week, and then finally

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Speaker 1: in the last game of his rookie season. Remember he

710
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: hung like forty one points on Miami. They scored completed

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00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,359
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of his pass It was unbelievable game.

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00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: I mean he literally won that game. Uh he was

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00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,479
Speaker 1: He threw for two and ran for three, or vice versa,

714
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: ran for two and threw for three. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what it was. Umble, it was a great game. It

716
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal game. Once again, touchdown production, right, and

717
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: he and it totally went under the radar. Nobody cared.

718
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: It was two teams that weren't going to the playoffs.

719
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Nobody cared about it, what the game looked like and whatever. So, uh,

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00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: it's it's in there. It's under the hood somewhere. He's

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00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: got to do it more consistently, no question. But by

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Speaker 1: the same token, the guy you know, like you said,

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Speaker 1: um and I said this about Cam Newton when he

724
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: was you know, five years ago when they were going

725
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl, or the years before they went

726
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. He gives you a little something

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00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: in other places where no other quarterback does. He's the

728
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: best short yardage back in the league. And on a

729
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: third and a six inches he's gonna get it, you

730
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: know he's gonna get He got twenty three of twenty

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Speaker 1: four over his first two seasons. It's more than anybody

732
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: in the league. Right. Uh, that's big, especially for analytics,

733
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it looks good on the stat sheet,

734
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: and it goes unnoticed because while of course he's gonna

735
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: guess this, well, most teams won't even try that play.

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Speaker 1: Remember how Bills fans used to be annoyed that Tom

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00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: Brady would always get a sneak because they'd hurry up

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00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: to the line and get it real quick on fourth

739
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: and one or whatever it is. Well, over the last

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00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: two seasons, Josh Allen has attempted more QB sneaks than anybody.

741
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Speaker 1: And I'm talking quarterbacks, running backs, whoever you want to

742
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: put in on the list. He's got more attempts twenty

743
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: four total, okay, in his what twenty seven games over

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00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: the last two years because he missed those games at

745
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: the elbow injury. And he's got more successful conversions than

746
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Speaker 1: anybody in the league with twenty three twenty three out

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00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: of twenty four. Everybody remember the sneak on Thanksgiving right

748
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: second half? That was spin for the first down. That's

749
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, that was huge, and it was one

750
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: of those that was one of those moments in that

751
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving gaming. You know, that was before halftime as well,

752
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: it was early in the game, and to get that

753
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: at that point really made a statement, got them some

754
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: momentum going back into halftime there. I think they had

755
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: the lead anyway, but the half that they had put

756
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: together with that as an exclamation point I think was

757
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 1: inside of two minutes left in the first half, was huge.

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00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: It was huge. All right, all right, here we go. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Neo Reynolds coming up SkySports also NFL dot Com analyst

760
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: based in the United Kingdom and he's the host of

761
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: the Inside the Huddle podcast. He's coming on at one o'clock.

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00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker Chris Brown here at one Bills Live. We'll

763
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: be back. This is Buffalo Bills Radio and this is

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Speaker 1: one Bills Live. Welcome back to One of Bill's Lives.

765
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 1: Chief Tasker Chris Brown. We're here utill three o'clock. We've

766
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Speaker 1: been talking about Josh Allen, whether he's underrated or not.

767
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: You can tweet at us or call us at eight

768
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Speaker 1: o three oh five fifty or one eighty eight five

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Speaker 1: fifty two five fifty it's eighty twenty bills. Fans think

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00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: he's underrated, and while we were in break, something came

771
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: over the wire. I say, the wireds social media and

772
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: Brownie it's it's pretty interesting and it does affect well,

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Speaker 1: affects builds fans and NFL fans across the country. Go ahead.

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00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: So the NFL NFL Network reporter Tom Hellasero is reporting

775
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: that the NFL and the Players Association are discussing the

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00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: possibility of shortening the twenty twenty preseason. Nothing's finalized or imminent,

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00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: but multiple team executives have been informed of talks that

778
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: are currently talking about making the preseason only two games

779
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: instead of four. The idea here is to shorten the

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Speaker 1: preseason so players can get a longer ramp up period,

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00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: whether they agree to report a week or two early

782
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: based on other negotiations with the Players Association in the league,

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00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: and then that would also provide extra time for medical

784
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: staffs to or medical experts to finalize game day protocols

785
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: for testing, so it basically gives them another two weeks. Essentially,

786
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: if you lop off the first two preseason games to

787
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: let players get up to speed physically Number one and

788
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: then number two. It gives the medical experts two more

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00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: weeks to kind of survey the landscape and decide, hey,

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00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: here are the protocols we have, do we need any others?

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00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: You know, if if let's say the data in society changes,

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00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: for example, well, and also too, it's gonna be a

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00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: big if. When they're gonna get tested, can they get

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00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: the test results turned around? Or they're gonna have enough

795
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: tests to go around, what days are best to test?

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00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: You know, you know all of that stuff. Plus, like

797
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: we've talked about, there's a it was a night how

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00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: many pages, nine page memo about what these clubs are

799
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Speaker 1: going to be required to do office protocol right, office protocols.

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00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: It's gonna take days to get that under their belt

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00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: where that's second nature for these guys. It's it's gonna

802
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: be a hard transition to get them back in the

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00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: building and then even to get to the point where

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Speaker 1: they can start talking about football, let alone get up

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00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: to speed to get on the field and compete. Yeah,

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00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: there's a there's an efficiency component here that's gonna be

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00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,919
Speaker 1: sorely lacking. I would think the first couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: these players are back in the building because they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have all these other extra steps they have to learn

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00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: on the fly. Yes, and with protocol and sanitization and safety.

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Speaker 1: All the equipment's got to be sanitized after every practice.

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00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable anyway, So wouldn't it be aside from the

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Speaker 1: social justice things of this offseason and the George Floyd

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00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: and then and the protests have been going on for

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00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, hopefully positive changes will happen around

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00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: our country due to this. And you know, we don't

817
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: go backwards from here or even stay the same from here.

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00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: We grow. But wouldn't it be nice if for the

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Speaker 1: NFL's sake, the one thing that came out of this

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00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: was a shorter preseason. That'd be huge rainbow for most football.

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Speaker 1: But I don't need four preseason games. Yeah, don't give me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would be against it all that much.

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Speaker 1: That would be counted as one of the positives of

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00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: this pandemic. Yeah, And you know that the the you know,

825
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: the NFL will be going to school on these other

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Speaker 1: leagues and how they fare, you know, with the NBA

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Speaker 1: and the NHL, and they'll be going to school on

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00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: the things that come up for them. That they have

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00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,759
Speaker 1: to address and will make their own protocols accordingly from that.

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00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: And then if they get an extra two weeks because

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Speaker 1: they don't have two preseason games to worry about each

832
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: respective team, well then that's more time to assess, plan,

833
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: and prepare. I think too, that there's enough really really

834
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Speaker 1: smart people at the top of the NFL and other

835
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: businesses and other industries as well, that you've got to

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00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: use these extenuating circumstances as an excuse to experiment with

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00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: something that may make you better. Oh yeah, the broadcast

838
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: we were talking about yesterday, We had fun with it.

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Speaker 1: You know, what is it gonna do. They're gonna have

840
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 1: stuffed animals in the stands, They're gonna pipe in crowd

841
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: and always they gonna have digital fans like maddened video

842
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Who cares? But use it as an

843
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: opportunity to find out something that will make it better

844
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: going forward that you can that you can incorporate when

845
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: fans do come back in the stands and everything is

846
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: business as usual. Experiment a little bit, particularly on the

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Speaker 1: broadcast end of it, with the freedom that you're gonna

848
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: have because of the pandemic. You know, you're gonna pull

849
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 1: monster numbers anyway, Do something that will help us going

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00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: forward and find something out that makes it better. You can,

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Speaker 1: maybe even something you can monetize. I don't care. Just

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Speaker 1: you know, let's try something to see if we can

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Speaker 1: make it better because of these circumstances we've been forced

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Speaker 1: to experiment with. Yeah, try to turn a problem into

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Speaker 1: an opportunity. All right, we'll see met Maybe just you

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Speaker 1: and me Brown, we're probably barking into the wind, all right,

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Speaker 1: Steeve t Asker. Chris Brown coming up, coming up after

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Speaker 1: the break. We'll be our good friend. Neil Reynolds. He's

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Speaker 1: a SkySports NFL dot com analyst. He's based in the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom. He hosts the Inside the NF Inside the

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Speaker 1: Huddle podcast. He's coming up right after the break. This

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Speaker 1: is One Bills Live and is presented by kalidah Health.

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Speaker 1: And this is Buffalo Bills Radio by Steve Taskers do

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Speaker 1: toss for time. Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Steve

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Speaker 1: task along with Chris Brown, we're here to at three

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Speaker 1: o'clock more. Please be joined right now by Neil Reynolds.

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Speaker 1: He's a sky Sports NFL dot com analyst. He's based

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Speaker 1: In the United Kingdom, he hosts the Inside the Huddle podcast,

869
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Speaker 1: and he recently launched the Neil Reynolds Podcast. Thursday's episode,

870
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Speaker 1: which is the sixth episode in the series, features Bill's

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Speaker 1: cornerback Josh Norman. Neil Reynolds Podcast is available on Apple, podcast, Spotify, Deezer,

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Speaker 1: and Stitcher. You can follow Neil also on at Neil

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Speaker 1: Reynolds NFL. Neil Steve task Steve Tasker, and Chris Brown

874
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: here in Buffalo. Thanks for joining us. Are you doing

875
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: okay during the pandemic? I am, I'm good, Steve, Yeah,

876
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on again. Always enjoying my time

877
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: chat with you guys. Yeah, just feels like Groundhog Day

878
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: every now and then, but try not to look too

879
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: far down the road. And yeah, just looking forward to

880
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: football in September. Fingers crossed. Well. One of the topics

881
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: we've been discussing, and you may be more familiar with

882
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: it being in UK, is that fans in the stands

883
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: are an issue as to how to handle it, how

884
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: each league handles it. They've cutouts, they have stuffed animals

885
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: in the stands, they have digital fans. What are your

886
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: thoughts on what would happen if the NFL has to

887
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,959
Speaker 1: play some games without fans in the stands, I guess

888
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: the NFL. I kind of trust the NFL to be

889
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,959
Speaker 1: creative and to come up with a way to create

890
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: an atmosphere. And whether that's you know, an app where

891
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: you can sit at home and have piped in crowd

892
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: noise or booze when you press a certain button on

893
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: an app. I just feel like NFL might try and

894
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: figure that out. I also feel that we're so desperate

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00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: for sports that suddenly we won't worry about the crowd

896
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: quite so much for the first few weeks, would just

897
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Speaker 1: be glad to see sports back. So I think the

898
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Speaker 1: NFL will figure out. They've got the advantage, of course,

899
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: of waiting and watching some of these other leagues. So

900
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Speaker 1: they've seen the Bundesligue are in Germany with the cardboard

901
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: cutout fans. The Premier League's going to start up in

902
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Speaker 1: the UK very soon, and I think they're going to

903
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: have from the EA Sports video games they're going to

904
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Speaker 1: play some of that crowd noise in. So the NFL

905
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Speaker 1: is going to be able to take a look at

906
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Speaker 1: all of these before they kick off in September. I

907
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Speaker 1: don't know, Neil, if you had a chance to watch

908
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Speaker 1: the first weekend of the bundes League games, they did

909
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: not pipe in crowd noise that first week. I was

910
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: watching those games, and I don't know where you stood

911
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: on this, but it was almost eerie watching players play

912
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: and literally hearing the code. If I told Steve the

913
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Speaker 1: other day that if I spoke German, I would have

914
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: known exactly what the coaches were yelling at their players

915
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: during the game because it was all completely audible, with

916
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Speaker 1: no fans and there was an absence of an atmosphere.

917
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Speaker 1: It struck me as so strange and almost eerie. I'm

918
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Speaker 1: wondering if you had a chance to watch any of

919
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: that that first week to get a sense of it.

920
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 1: I did see it, and it was, Yeah, it was eerie.

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Speaker 1: It's something we're going to have to get used to.

922
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Speaker 1: I hope from a purely selfish point of view, I

923
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Speaker 1: hope they pipe in the noise because as the host

924
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Speaker 1: of the NFL coverage on Sky Sports, if we ever

925
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Speaker 1: pick up a bad word on the coverage, I have

926
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Speaker 1: to come in and say sorry to the audience. Now,

927
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: if there's no noise in the stadium and all we

928
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Speaker 1: can hear is the twenty two men on the field,

929
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in saying sorry about every third or

930
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: fourth snap. That's right, that's exactly the music. What has

931
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: been the most maybe most notable protocol that has had

932
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: to take place because of the pandemic, I mean, the

933
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Speaker 1: players are being tested, their temperatures taken. Is there anything

934
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Speaker 1: notable that is that has thrown a wrench into the

935
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Speaker 1: way things work with what they're asked to do. No,

936
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Speaker 1: I think it's testing is the big thing, and you know,

937
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: making sure that everyone go into those games is healthy.

938
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Speaker 1: Where it surprised me a little bit is the once

939
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Speaker 1: they've done all that testing, there's still kind of social

940
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Speaker 1: distancing on the field in terms of when they score

941
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Speaker 1: a goal and celebrating or sitting on the bench. I

942
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Speaker 1: was a bit surprised by that. I actually expected once

943
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Speaker 1: they'd been tested that it would almost be business as

944
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Speaker 1: usual on the pitch, and that's that's been a little

945
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Speaker 1: bit different to sort of see that. But I think,

946
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Speaker 1: you know, with the NFL, it's probably the same. It's

947
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: just going to be test, test, test, Everyone's going to

948
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Speaker 1: be tested to the nth degree just to make sure

949
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Speaker 1: they can get him on the field. Now, I know

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Speaker 1: Neil that you know, you had Josh Norman, one of

951
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Speaker 1: the newer Bills who joined the club this offseason, on

952
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: your podcast, and he has been front and center with

953
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 1: a lot of this social and racial injustice going on

954
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Speaker 1: in this country. What was I'm sure you guys got

955
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: into that to a certain extent. What might have been

956
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Speaker 1: your biggest takeaway from what Josh had to offer to

957
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: you and the program? I mean, yeah, we spoke about

958
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 1: we kind of broadened it out and spoke about him

959
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: using his platform and how he does so much. You know,

960
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: you look at what he did for victims of the

961
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: hurricane in Puerto Rico. He's very active in towns of

962
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: the families that are stuck on the US Mexico border.

963
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: He goes down there and buy his gifts for the

964
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Speaker 1: kids and all that. So, all of that, and Josh

965
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: spoke so eloquently about the social injustices, and you know,

966
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: this is just to go believes that you shouldn't be

967
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: where you are as a player if you're not willing

968
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: to use your platform, and if you are, you're just

969
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: wasting it. You're just wasting your opportunities. I don't know

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00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: how how Josh is sort of perceived across the United States.

971
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: So I don't know if we talk about that in

972
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 1: the podcast, about how he was this scrappy underdog who

973
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: was a walk on at Coastal Carolina, but the perception

974
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: changed once he became the highest paid corner in the NFL.

975
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: And obviously you're there to be shot. Just say that

976
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: Josh is one of the most given guys I've ever met,

977
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: one of the nicest guys I've ever met, and he's

978
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: he's a credit to the sport. Well, we've got to

979
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: clip a sound bite from some of the things you

980
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: asked him about why why he came to Buffalo, what

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00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: it means to him to get the opportunity, and what

982
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: he's looking forward to. We'll play that bite right now.

983
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 1: This is Josh Norman on the Neil Reynolds Podcast. I think,

984
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: so keep going, we'll get that back to that. We'll

985
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: get back to that. He's just mean, now we've got it,

986
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and go with Josh Norman contractually. And

987
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: once they all came down to it, you know, it

988
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: was just like, all right, you know what I mean,

989
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and do it because I'm not gonna

990
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: see her and wait, I'm not gonna do all the

991
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: other stuff. I'm gonna go ahead and get down. Get

992
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: these guys. They know me, I know them. It's gonna

993
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: make this very simple and playing because when I get here,

994
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm coming and I'm not coming so Loo, I'm bringing

995
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: the storm with me and we're gonna sit out here

996
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: and we're gonna roar. Obviously he wants. He's got a

997
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder and did. Things did not go

998
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: well for him in the last couple of years he

999
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: was in Washington. His supporters will say he was in

1000
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: the wrong system, asked to play the wrong skill set

1001
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: as a corner, didn't play to his strengths. Obviously, he

1002
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: made his reputation as a great corner in the NFL

1003
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: under Sean mcdermot's defensive coordinator. Do you think that he

1004
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: has enough gas left in his tank to recreate what

1005
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: he did in Carolina four years ago? He certainly believes

1006
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: he does. I do think the system is going to help.

1007
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: The very first part of that clips he actually says

1008
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: it was a no brainer to go to Buffalo. It was,

1009
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: and it was because of coach McDermott and Josh recognizes

1010
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: that that was a system in which he absolutely thrived.

1011
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: So I'm fascinated to see the fit. I go back

1012
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: to that two thy fifteen season when we were chatting,

1013
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,479
Speaker 1: we kind of got into the receivers that he faced

1014
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: in that year in Carolina. He faced DeAndre Hopkins, Mike Evans,

1015
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton des Bryant, and Julio Jones, and combined

1016
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: to those guys, gave up nine catches for eighty nine yards. Look,

1017
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still got everything in his legs,

1018
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: but the guy believes it. The guy absolutely believes it.

1019
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: He's passionate, he's committed, and I do think he really

1020
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: is excited about the fit with coach McDermott. Yeah, and

1021
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: that's a position where you're better have that kind of confidence.

1022
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: So you're not gonna last very long in the NFL.

1023
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: But that is an impressive list, no question about it.

1024
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: And I have to believe that even though there has

1025
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: been no physical reps on a practice field through the

1026
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: course of the spring, with this pandemic that we're all

1027
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: dealing with, that he still feels like he's going to

1028
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: be able to hit the ground running because of his

1029
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: familiarity with Sean mcdermot's defensive scheme am I writing that

1030
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: thinking there, I think that's the case, but I also

1031
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: think he's putting in a huge amount of work. It

1032
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: was interesting last Thursday night. Due to the time difference,

1033
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: we were due to do the interview for the Neil

1034
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: Reynolds podcast on Thursday night about eight pm UK time,

1035
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: and then I got started getting messages from Josh in

1036
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: the afternoon, I'm on Zoom with my coaches. Then he finished,

1037
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: and this was right three or four hours later, and

1038
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: he's like, now I'm going to go and do some

1039
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: extra stuff with my defensive coordinator. And then about two

1040
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: hours later he came on again. I was like, we're

1041
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: still going, we'll have to do this tomorrow, and like

1042
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: literally they're putting in hours and hours of work over

1043
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: Zoom and various ways of communicating. But I do think

1044
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: he you know, he said he knows what it's going

1045
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: to be, he knows what it's going to look like,

1046
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: and I think he just wants to you know, you're right, Chris,

1047
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: He's got that kind of mentality. I want to prove

1048
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: everyone wrong. Still, this is a guy who told me

1049
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: this story in the In the podcast, he went to

1050
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: the NFL draft the year he was chosen in the

1051
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: fifth round, and he sat in the audience and watched

1052
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: everyone's name being called and used that as fuel. I

1053
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: thought it was incredible. He tortured himself. He went to

1054
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: the draft and watched everyone else have that moment, and

1055
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: he did three games for three days. He would have

1056
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: to do that, right, I mean, wow, Yeah, that's that's

1057
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: when you That's one way to get a nice sized

1058
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: chip on your shoulder. And certainly it's motivated him through

1059
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: what has been a really productive career, even even given

1060
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: the last couple of years in Washington. He's going to

1061
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: be put onto the Buffalo roster in a little bit

1062
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: of a different role than he was in Carolina four

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Speaker 1: years ago. Now he's going to be the number two corner.

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Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to ask him about that,

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Speaker 1: to be the guy who plays opposite Josh Norman or

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Speaker 1: in this case, Tradevious White. We didn't talk about that.

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Speaker 1: We talked a bit about his play in general, though,

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Speaker 1: and where I think he's obviously the system is what

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Speaker 1: he really likes. But I think where he just Chris

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01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to is most of it with Josh

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,919
Speaker 1: is his mindset. You know, I think he'll be playing

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Speaker 1: opposite TuS White, who's an All Pro, and you know

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01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: you're looking at maybe one or two. Yeah, Tredevis White's

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Speaker 1: in that conversation right as the best cornerback in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: But if you're talking to Josh, so is Josh. That's

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01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: just how he wrongs That's just how he believes it.

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Speaker 1: He probably thinks that TEUs White is the number two

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01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: to him. I mean, that's just how he goes. I

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Speaker 1: will just say one thing. I was with Josh at

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, and I think this is an interesting

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01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: thing because although people who have looked at the coverage

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01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: and how some of that stuff hasn't worked out for

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Speaker 1: him in recent years. I was in the studio with

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: Josh and with Rob Bryan and Rob was defensive coach

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01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: in Washington last year, and Rob we were kind of

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01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: getting ready to go on and do the show and

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01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 1: Josh is getting to make up put on and Rob's

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01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: just chatting to me and he kind of whispers to

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Speaker 1: me he is like, there was not a tougher defensive

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01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: back in run support in the NFL last year than

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01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: Josh Norman. And I hadn't really heard that because we

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01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: kind of look at just the passing game. But that's

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01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: another factor I think you'll bring to the team, right,

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01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: and that's something that's important in coach mcdermot's scheme. He

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01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: needs corners. They can run support off the edge of there.

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01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, you understand why they see them as such

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01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: a good fit. You know, we see all the stuff

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01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: going on in this country with the racial protests for

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: or racial injustices and social injustices, and people taking to

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Speaker 1: the streets and of many different racial and ethnic backgrounds

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: to kind of address this and demand action. I know

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Speaker 1: that there is a degree of that that has been

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01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: unfortunately far too prevalent in the European soccer leagues on

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Speaker 1: the part of the fan bases during games. I mean,

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01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 1: I've seen some terrible stuff, and I know that the

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01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: English Premier League has put in very very strict regulations

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01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: when that happens. I think, if I believe I'm right

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01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: about this, if officials can't get it to stop after

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01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: two attempts, they suspend the game and the players leave

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01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: the field. But there have been some really bad incidents

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01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 1: over the years, and I know a lot of it's

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01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: been directed at you know, African native players who come

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01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: to play in Europe. Do you see anything over it's

1114
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: all bad? I think we can agree with that, But

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01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: is there anything that you can draw parallels too that

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: you believe could lead to definitive action here? Knowing it

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01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 1: seems to be I hate to say this, but in

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01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: terms of the sporting landscape, more egregions there than it

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01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: is even here in the sporting arena. Yeah, I guess

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Speaker 1: the thing I would say most about it. I've seen

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01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: a couple of instances in the past where players have

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01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 1: wanted to walk off in Italy and they've almost been

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01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: forced back onto the field, and player coaches are saying,

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01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: don't let them win, don't give into it. I think

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01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: players need to drive the agenda here, you know. I

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: think I think what the players did with the Black

1127
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: Lives Matters video drove the agenda. Forced Commissioner Roger Goodell

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01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: to make a statement like he did last Friday night.

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01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: I've literally just got off recording inside the huddle with

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01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: Takio Spikes. Of course, many Buffalo Bills fans will know

1131
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: very dearly, and and Takio was just saying that, you know,

1132
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: obviously he feels great anger and wants to see change,

1133
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,800
Speaker 1: but he thinks that the difference now is that players

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01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: might lead the agenda and drive the agenda. Now, we've

1135
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: got to see if that still the case going into

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01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 1: week one, Week two, week three, the president this is

1137
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: a big deal, right, It's a political football that gets

1138
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: kicked around. But I feel like the players are are

1139
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: emboldened to kind of keep this going. I feel like

1140
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: there's everyone's quite rightly one hundred percent behind them. So yeah,

1141
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: I hope that's where the change comes, and I hope

1142
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: it then reverberates back here to Europe because I think

1143
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: players need to lead the charge. If they're being racially abused,

1144
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: just walk off the pitch. There's nothing to watch if

1145
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: they're not playing, I would agree on and hopefully perhaps

1146
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: even the sports world can be a catalyst for positive change,

1147
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: both in Europe and in America, where the you know,

1148
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: the league is such a bright and a huge attention

1149
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: getter that if the platform is used properly, maybe it

1150
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: can't drive social change. We're talking with Neil Reynolds ahead

1151
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: of the Neil Reynolds podcast and also uh he hosts

1152
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: Inside the Huddle podcast and what are your later uh

1153
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: Inside the Huddle podcast. You had Jeff ran bolt On.

1154
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: You guys took a look at the state of the

1155
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, and you had uh you went down the

1156
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: running back roster and the offense. We did that ourselves

1157
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago. Were there any generalities that

1158
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: you can share with us about your rundown of the

1159
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: Bills roster starting with a running back position? I think, Neil, Yeah,

1160
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: we might have lost he's back. Oh, there we go

1161
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: or can you hear me now? Neil? I can, yes,

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: I can hear now, Yes, Okay, here we go your

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01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,160
Speaker 1: latest Inside the Huddle podcast with Jeff rhin Bold. You

1164
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: guys took a look at the running backs and the

1165
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: Bill's offense. Here there any generalities you can share with us,

1166
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: and once again we lost him. I just think it. Yeah,

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01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,959
Speaker 1: well there is go ahead, Jeff, I'm Jeff, go ahead,

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01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: go ahead, peel, Okay, we're gonna have We're gonna have

1169
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: Neil hang up the phone and then reconnect with us

1170
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: to see if we can get him on. He has

1171
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 1: a He's a host of two podcasts. One is the

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01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: new one that called the Neil Reynolds Podcast and the

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01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: one that we're speaking about right now is the Inside

1174
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: the Huddle podcast. Neils an NFL dot Com analyst based

1175
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: in the UK's with Sky Sports as well, and he

1176
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: had he's kind of did the same thing you and

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01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: I have been doing, Brownie. They went down the roster.

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01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,479
Speaker 1: He and Jeff Reinbold, who we've had on the program before.

1179
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: He's the special team's coordinator for the Hamilton Tiecats and

1180
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: he works with Sky Sports and the NFL UK as

1181
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,680
Speaker 1: an analyst over there. And they were looking at the

1182
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills state of the Bills running backs. Um, we

1183
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: remember you and I remember our conversation for his two

1184
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,479
Speaker 1: days ago that, Um, it's kind of cut and dried

1185
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: what we expect from them. And now and now Neil

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01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: is back with us, and Neil, what can you tell

1187
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: us about your time with Jeff rhin Bold and your

1188
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: run down to the running backs on the Bill's roster?

1189
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 1: Now he left again, all right, Yeah, we'll probably just

1190
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: have to reconnect it another time because we're coming up

1191
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: quick at the break here. But I wanted to get

1192
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: his the reason I asked him about, you know, how

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01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 1: the racial injustices play over there. It's very different, Steve

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: uh in those European leagues because it's different. It's just

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01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: flat out different because it takes place in the actual

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01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: sporting arena. All Right, we're gonna give it one last

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Speaker 1: try with with Neil. Neil, give us a rundown of

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Speaker 1: your of the roster of running backs, she said, State

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Speaker 1: of the Bills running Backs with you and Jeff Rhin

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01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: Bold on the Inside the NFL Podcast or Inside the

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01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: Huddle Podcast. Go ahead, Yeah, sorry, yes, sorry guys. Yeah,

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01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: I just lost you there, and yeah, I mean we

1203
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: were talking about just how impressive they look when you

1204
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: when you think about Devin Singletary and when you look

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01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: at running backs, I think the stat over running backs

1206
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: who had over one hundred and fifty carries last year.

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01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: He led the way in the NFL with an average

1208
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: of five point one. So I like what Devin Singletary brings.

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01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: I really thought he ran really well outside as well,

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01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: So to have him for a whole season is going

1211
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: to be fascinating to see. You're adding Zac Moss as well.

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01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: Just the builds are really deeper running back and that's

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01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: pleasing to see. But also I want my buddy Christian

1214
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: Wade to get in there and get on the field

1215
01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: and build on what he did last year, and I

1216
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: hope he can because I think he's got something to add.

1217
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, I really was excited to see how Devin

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: Singletary finished last season. So, Neil, the last one I've

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01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: got three you is with your new podcast. I mean,

1220
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: this is no knock on you, but I think everybody

1221
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: in the universe seems to have a podcast these days.

1222
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: What are you trying to do? What are you trying

1223
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: to do too, maybe kind of separate your program from

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01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: some other NFL podcasts that are out there. So obviously

1225
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,599
Speaker 1: you know that many NFL podcasts are telling the stories

1226
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 1: of the day. They're looking at the news and reacting

1227
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: with opinion. This is not that. This is an extended

1228
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: chat about football. So you know, I'm using my contacts.

1229
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 1: I'd like to think I get very good access. So

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: we've already had Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bruce Arians, Peter King, Doug marrone,

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01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: now Josh Norman. Next week is Scott Pioli, who was

1232
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Speaker 1: five time general Manager of the Year in the NFL.

1233
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: Just finished interviewing Kurt Warner for another one. So you know,

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,879
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of the level of guests and they're timeless.

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: You can dip in and out whenever you want, and

1236
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: they're just chats about lives in football, so hopefully that's

1237
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: a little bit different from a lot of the other

1238
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: ones out there. Neil, thanks so much for being on

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Speaker 1: with its. Sorry about the technical issues and we're so

1240
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: happy to have you and hopefully we'll get you back

1241
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: on again. Thanks Steve, Thanks Chris, thank you all right

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01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 1: very well. Neil Reynolds Sky Sports NFL dot Com analyst

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: based in the United Kingdom, hosts of Inside the Huddle podcast.

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01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: He also has the Neil Reynolds Podcast, which you just

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01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: heard about. You can and did number Episode number six

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Speaker 1: features cornerback Josh Norman, Steve Tasker, Chris Brown. This is

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01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills Radio is presented by Kalidah Health and this

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Speaker 1: is One Bills Live. Welcome back to One Bills Live.

1249
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 1: Like to thank Neil Reynolds for hanging in there with

1250
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 1: through some technical difficulties as we finished up the interview.

1251
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: You can go back and watch that on the streaming.

1252
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: You can use it live on a Bill's app. You

1253
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: can also go back and get it on Buffalo Bills

1254
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: dot com, the Buffalo Bills App, Spotify, Google Play, and

1255
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: Apple podcasts, all of that stuff. Neil Reynolds some pretty

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: stuff about what's going on around the NFL and his

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01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: conversation with Josh Norman on his Neil Reynolds podcast. Pretty

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: interesting stuff, Brownie. And I think it's you know, I

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Speaker 1: think we all anticipate Josh Norman coming back, and you know,

1260
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: it's easy to say that you want to be great.

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01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: It's easy to say you want to be all world.

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Speaker 1: He was once and not too long ago. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if he can recreate it for the Bills, right. Yeah,

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01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: he's I think he's four years removed from his last

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01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: season in Carolina under coach McDermott. So yeah, it's one

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01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: time four years is an eon in football. So he's

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01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of doing to do, yea. I

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Speaker 1: always say, so, well, we'll see how it all shakes out.

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Speaker 1: And again, I think it's unfortunate that we didn't get

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Speaker 1: to lay eyes on him in the spring and you know,

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Speaker 1: in what would be June Minicamp, either this week or

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Speaker 1: early next week on the original NFL calendar, because I would,

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Speaker 1: I think you and I after laying eyes on him

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Speaker 1: in a practice setting in this defense against the Bills offense,

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Speaker 1: we'd probably be able to give fans a better handle

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Speaker 1: on what to expect from him and whether he still

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Speaker 1: has some of that ability that made him so special

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Speaker 1: with the Panthers. Yeah, we're talking about that, and we're

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Speaker 1: also talking about quarterback Josh Allen. Is he undervalued? Yes

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Speaker 1: or no? You can tweet at us and call us

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Speaker 1: it's eighty twenty. Most Bills fans that are listening to

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Speaker 1: us think that, Yeah, he is undervalued. And we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of feedback on the tweet sheet. And the

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Speaker 1: tweet sheet brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the

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Speaker 1: official equipment moving of the company of the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: And you start with guy, Well, it comes from a

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Speaker 1: guy like like Eli. He says this from the tweet sheet.

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Speaker 1: He's undervalued because he wasn't on a power school. They

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Speaker 1: didn't face big schools. He wasn't. He was thrown into

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Speaker 1: the fire right away, and the first season as the

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Speaker 1: Bill didn't help him either. Plus he doesn't play for

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Speaker 1: a big market team. Do you think that plays a factor, Brownie?

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Speaker 1: If say, for instance, if Josh had been drafted and

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Speaker 1: played and had the career he's had with the Giants

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Speaker 1: or the Cowboys or Washington whoever, one of the big

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Speaker 1: market Chicago, you know, would he be viewed differently. I

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Speaker 1: think it's possible, but I think ultimately that success or

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Speaker 1: where you want to rank a quarterback should be rooted

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Speaker 1: in how successful the team is, which is why it

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Speaker 1: still baffles me that people are all on the Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold train, and you know, the Jets the last two

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Speaker 1: years have been a dumpster fire. So I respect the

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Speaker 1: fact that people believe that Sam Darnold still has ability

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Speaker 1: and a skill set to play in the NFL. And

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Speaker 1: I'd be one to agree with that, but please don't

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Speaker 1: tell me that he's outperformed Josh Allen and done more

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Speaker 1: in this league than him, because he hasn't. That's where

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Speaker 1: I sit with that, And and part of that is

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Speaker 1: player development too, because I think the player development program

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo is outstanding both on and off the field,

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Speaker 1: and the Jets for decades, it's been one of their

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Speaker 1: biggest stumbling blocks. The lack of player development with that

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Speaker 1: organization is startling. It is. It comes up woefully short, right,

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Speaker 1: and I think even when they do add elite players

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Speaker 1: to their roster, they rarely get better. Yeah, and that's A.

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Speaker 1: That's a that's an insightful opinion that that holds true

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Speaker 1: to me. I think you look at what happened to

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Speaker 1: Levon Bell last year. Sam Darnold, he hasn't gotten better

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Speaker 1: in his time with the Jets, and it's with Adam

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Speaker 1: case Is, his quarterback coach, who has reported as being

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Speaker 1: one of those guys you can look at well other

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Speaker 1: players as well. So I'm I'm totally with you. I

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Speaker 1: think the Jets failed to get the most out of

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Speaker 1: their players, and their players fail to improve under their

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Speaker 1: coach staffs. And I think that's one of the strengths

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Speaker 1: of Sean McDermott and his staff. Not only do his

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Speaker 1: players play there, it seemed to play at the top

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Speaker 1: of whatever skill set they have. They seem to expand

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Speaker 1: it and get better as the season wears on, and

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Speaker 1: certainly as their careers roll on. And Josh Allen's probably

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Speaker 1: the poster boy for that as well as I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at what Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde have become

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo. What were they before that? I mean, Jordan

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Speaker 1: Poyer couldn't even stay on a roster or get on

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Speaker 1: the field as a starter. Micah Hyde was a utility

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Speaker 1: player for lack of a better term in Green Bay

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Speaker 1: playing nickel corner and a whole bunch of other roles.

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Speaker 1: And they come here, they earn starting jobs, and Micah

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Speaker 1: Hyde goes to a Pro Bowl players should have probably

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Speaker 1: gone to one by now, I mean, and as a tandem,

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01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 1: they're one of the best duos in the league. I mean,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the critic goes to them, but some

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Speaker 1: credits should also go to the guys that are coaching them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no Q, no question about it, I think. And you

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Speaker 1: could add Oliver just in the micro cosm of one

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Speaker 1: season that he had for the Buffalo Bills. It's it's

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Speaker 1: going to be interesting to watch his development as well.

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Speaker 1: From Dinah on the tweet, she is Josh Allen undervalued.

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Speaker 1: Alan is undervalued. He's consistent and still learning how to

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Speaker 1: react to different situations. He had difficulty with his long

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01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 1: ball last year, however, he has improved each season. Appears

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Speaker 1: to be working at hard at improving and getting to

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Speaker 1: know his teammates. Twenty second, which he's referring or he

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Speaker 1: Dinah is referring to the ranking that he was drafted

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Speaker 1: by the ESPN analysts. Twenty second is too late, and

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Speaker 1: I agree, that's twenty second in the quarterbacks, not twenty

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Speaker 1: second overall. Twenty second in the quarterbacks, and that's uh

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Speaker 1: to me. I think, what are you doing? I agree,

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Speaker 1: I think it's late. And for those listeners that are

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Speaker 1: just joining us, we're kind of playing off an ESPN

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Speaker 1: dot Com redraft of all the players in the league,

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Speaker 1: all their ESPN Nation reporters drafted in the order of

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Speaker 1: this year's draft, basically all the players in the league.

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Speaker 1: They threw them into a draft pool, said, drafting one

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Speaker 1: to one twenty eight and Josh Allen was the twenty

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Speaker 1: second quarterback to come off the board, and among the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks that got taken ahead of him were Tua, Drew Lock,

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Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow. When two guys who haven't even taken

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Speaker 1: a snap in the league they picked, I mean, what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? Come on right, all right, what are

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Speaker 1: we doing? We have seen too many rookies struggle and

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Speaker 1: it's a it's an absolute coin flip. Not just to

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Speaker 1: see it guy a guy in first round quarterbacks. It's

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Speaker 1: a coin flip, not just for them to be an

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Speaker 1: elite quarterback and a great and a big time starter,

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Speaker 1: but just to be a competent player backup in the

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Speaker 1: league as a coin flip. That and being out of

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01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: the league is a coin flip. A guy who can

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Speaker 1: play in the NFL at any time, at any level

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Speaker 1: as a starter or as a backup is a coin

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Speaker 1: flip to where they're just a bust and can't stay

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Speaker 1: in the league at all. So yeah, so I'm yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's well, he's well beyond that. Yeah, And look, I

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Speaker 1: think Drew Drew Locke showed some encouraging potential last year.

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Speaker 1: I think he only played in five games, so again,

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Speaker 1: too small a sample size to come down anywhere on

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Speaker 1: him and what he's gonna be in this league. But

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Speaker 1: you know, to his credit, he was four and one

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Speaker 1: last year as a starter, so you know, good on him.

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Speaker 1: I think he even had a couple of game winning

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Speaker 1: drives one comeback victory. But Josh had five alone last year.

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Speaker 1: And as I mentioned earlier in the show, he finished

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Speaker 1: sixth in the league in total touchdowns for quarterbacks. Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: The only guys ahead of him Lamar Jackson, Jamis Winston,

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Deshaun Watson. Those the only guys

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Speaker 1: that put up more touchdowns total in the league last year.

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Speaker 1: So to come at me and says twenty second is

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Speaker 1: just I think it's ignorant. Right. Yeah, well, there's, like

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Speaker 1: we said at the beginning of this discussion, there's so

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Speaker 1: many people that are doubling down on their criticism of

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Speaker 1: it at the draft. They just don't want to be wrong,

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Speaker 1: and they're not going to admit they are until Josh's

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP in the MVP, the MVP of the league.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they just won't. So you're gonna get this

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Speaker 1: argument for a long long time as long as Josh plays.

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Speaker 1: Also from Tiffany on the tweet sheet, he's undervalued partly

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Speaker 1: because he plays in a small market. We all know

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Speaker 1: how talented he is, and with this year's schedule, fans

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Speaker 1: outside of Buffalo, we'll get to see his unique skill

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Speaker 1: set on display. Yeah, I mean, listen, every game's televised,

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Speaker 1: every game is watched on film. The fact that he's

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Speaker 1: going to play the West Coast NFC teams is or

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Speaker 1: is not a you know, last year it was the

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Speaker 1: NFC East, so he should have and he played pretty

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Speaker 1: well against those teams. He beat Dallas, he beat the Giants,

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Speaker 1: they beat Washington and the only team they lost to

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Speaker 1: was Philly at a home game, so they were three

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Speaker 1: and one in the nfcast, So maybe you'd think he'd

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Speaker 1: get a little bit more respect than that. I do

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Speaker 1: think there is some merit to what Tiffany's saying, though.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Bills have four prime time games this fall,

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Speaker 1: and if he fares well in those games, particularly against

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, you know, defending Super Bowl champs, and beats

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Speaker 1: the Steelers again, beats the NFC champs, you know, the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, I think there will be

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Speaker 1: more people won over if if the Bills and Josh

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Speaker 1: you know, by default, can have some success in those

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Speaker 1: nationwide games, I think there will be some more people convinced.

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Speaker 1: So you know what, this guy might not be the

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Speaker 1: most accurate pastor, but man, he can win, right, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think that could are to creep into the doubter's

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Speaker 1: heads a little bit more with that kind of exposure.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta be successful when you have that's exposure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: given given where he was picked and all the conversation

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Speaker 1: that's going on, you know, the media works a certain way.

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Speaker 1: Guys are paid to have their opinions and they double down,

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Speaker 1: and they don't want to give up on those opinions

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Speaker 1: because it hurts their credibility. This is also kind of

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01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 1: goes down that line from sipping the kool aid. On

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Speaker 1: the tweet, she says he's undervalued because he was predicted

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Speaker 1: to be a bust by most of the experts prior

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Speaker 1: to being drafted. Some of those experts are admitting they

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Speaker 1: were wrong and Josh is progressing beyond their expectations. Others

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Speaker 1: will never admit to being wrong because they can't be wrong.

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Speaker 1: L O L. And that's it. There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of that in there, right. I mean, these guys want

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01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: to want to be right, and they don't really care

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01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 1: if the Bills are ten and six, if Josh's stats

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Speaker 1: aren't what they should be, or if he's not perceived

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Speaker 1: as being the reason they're ten and six. Right, the

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Speaker 1: sole reason nobody's got a nobody's batting a thousand on

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Speaker 1: predicting what NFL players will be. I mean, I had

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Speaker 1: a very successful GM in this league. Once. Tell me

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01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: that in the draft, if you're right, you know, three

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Speaker 1: on three of your draft choices out of seven, you're

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Speaker 1: killing it, you know. So it's it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: a baseball batting average. You've bat three hundred in the draft,

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Speaker 1: you're talking pretty good. I mean, that's how imperfect it

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Speaker 1: is in terms of making a call on a player.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as well as I do that easily,

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Speaker 1: three quarters of the people that cover this league don't

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Speaker 1: have the trained die that NFL executives do. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: if the NFL executives are doing good batting three hundred,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of prognosticators out there that

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Speaker 1: are batting a lot lower than that, but they can't

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Speaker 1: they can't stomach saying they're wrong. Steve Tasker, Chris Brown

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Speaker 1: here till three o'clock. We got a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about it here about what's going on, not only in

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Speaker 1: the country, but also in the National Football League. The

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame's going ahead in August with their induction,

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Speaker 1: at least at this point, because they anticipate getting to

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Speaker 1: a point where they can have actual fans in the stadium.

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Speaker 1: They're down in Canton. We'll see if that actually happens.

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Speaker 1: Lots lots to do from here on out. Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio, presented by Kalida

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Speaker 1: Health and This is one Bills Live. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: one of Bill's Live Steve Tasker along with Chris Brown.

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Speaker 1: This just out. We talked about today how the NFL

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Speaker 1: Players Association in the NFL are talking now about maybe

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01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: compressing and cutting down on the preseason, which means maybe

1481
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: just two preseason games, three preseason games instead of the

1482
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 1: traditional four preseason games. But at the same time, it

1483
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 1: has come out that the Pro Football Hall of Fame

1484
01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: is decided they're going to have their August weekend with

1485
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:10,360
Speaker 1: fans in attendance. They're selling tickets, that kind of thing. Now,

1486
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:14,800
Speaker 1: the State of Ohio's isn't open yet, so they still

1487
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: have to wait on that to happen. But this is

1488
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: the first time, Brownie, when something tangible may happen to

1489
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 1: the scheduling where it throws a kink into it. So

1490
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 1: the Hall, the Hall of Fame may have to move

1491
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: their weekend back as much as two weeks to coincide

1492
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,560
Speaker 1: with what will only be a two game preseason for

1493
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: the NFL if all this comes about, and that'll be

1494
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 1: like the first tangible proof that the NFL is feeling

1495
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: the effects of the pandemic. Yeah, this is this is

1496
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 1: interesting timing here because the same day that reporters come

1497
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: out with an interview with David Baker, who obviously runs

1498
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame, saying, hey, no, we're

1499
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 1: we're going as scheduled right now, and we plan to

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01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: have that game with fans, We plan to have ceremony,

1501
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, the Shriman ceremony with fans. And then this

1502
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: afternoon it comes down that the league and the Players

1503
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 1: Association are talking about shortening the preseason from four to

1504
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: two games to give players a longer ramp up period,

1505
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: give medical experts more time to put any last eleventh

1506
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 1: hour protocols into place as games get under way in

1507
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: of the preseason variety. I will say this. In the

1508
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: interview that I saw with David Baker, he did also

1509
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: say we have five different contingency plans that we can

1510
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: turn to that we have formulated already if it gets

1511
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: to a point where we can't stay on schedule and

1512
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: we do have to reschedule or delay or postpone. So,

1513
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 1: if the league and the Players Association ultimately agree to

1514
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: shorten the preseason to give players a longer ramp up

1515
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: time to get into kind of shape, they want to

1516
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: to reduce the risk of injury. Knowing the layoff and

1517
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: the lack of a team setting that they've had, and

1518
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Hall of Fame has to push their

1519
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 1: stuff back. I think there are contingency plans in place

1520
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: to do that, right. And this is for a place

1521
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: the museum itself, it's been open for fifty seven years.

1522
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 1: It's doors up until this pandemic, had never been closed

1523
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 1: for two consecutive days in a row. It was open

1524
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: all the time, and now it's been closed for a

1525
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: three hundred or for three months straight. And now and

1526
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: of course a significant part of its budget comes from

1527
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame weekend, the entire city of Canton, and

1528
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: for those of us Bill's fans who went down there

1529
01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 1: when Bruce went in, when Marv went in, when Jim

1530
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: went in, when Thurman went in, when Andrea Wilson, when

1531
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 1: James went in, when mister Wilson went we got and

1532
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Bill Polling went in. I mean, you know what kind

1533
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: of weekend it must be for the city of Canton,

1534
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: and the financial boost it must be for the entire economy,

1535
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:58,599
Speaker 1: let alone the Hall of Fame. They near Christmas shopping season, right,

1536
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 1: they need to have this weekend happen, and they're gonna

1537
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: do everything they can to make it happen. It's gonna

1538
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what it looks like though, But

1539
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: for right now, and I can't remember who's playing in

1540
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: the game. Two big market teams, is it? I want

1541
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,680
Speaker 1: to say it's Giants and Giants Dallas or somebody or

1542
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: who is it? It's not two division teams, is it.

1543
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 1: There usually is a tie to the induction class. Yeah,

1544
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: but the twenty five guys going in, well, yeah, that's true.

1545
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll look it up. I'll see if

1546
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: I can find it. Before we got a break. I

1547
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: think Jay Bird's got it here for us. And it's

1548
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,799
Speaker 1: but it's Cowboys Steelers, that's right. It's a super Bowl matchup.

1549
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 1: And yeah, and that's they do really want to have

1550
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 1: this thing, and and I God, bless them, let them

1551
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 1: do it. They're opening up from that article that which

1552
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: was actually on CBS sports website in Ohio, Uh, it

1553
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: looks like they're gonna open up public venues like well,

1554
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, casinos there they see what was it

1555
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 1: Casino's amusement parks. They won't open, but they will open

1556
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: on June nineteenth. The Memorial Golf tournament is going to

1557
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: be played in mid July with less than ten thousand

1558
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: spectators a day, which will give them plenty of room

1559
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 1: to spread out. So Ohio seems to be ahead of

1560
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: the curve on this. So two and a half months

1561
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: is an eternity, and unless something happens to derail it,

1562
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm betting it's gonna happen, Brownie, with fans and with

1563
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,680
Speaker 1: like a normal football game in Ohio, it's a it's

1564
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: a twenty thousand seat stadium, they cut it down to

1565
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: eight thousand, they may be able to pull it off, right, Yeah,

1566
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,679
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna still have to social distance and all

1567
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: of that. So yeah, you're gonna have to reduce capacity,

1568
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: and you're probably also going to have to reduce capacity

1569
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 1: at the enshrinement ceremony too, right, which is going to

1570
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: be interesting because with all the inductees which you mentioned,

1571
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: there's gonna be more family members, more former teammates or

1572
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 1: relatives that are gonna want to take this thing in.

1573
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: And it's true, it's it's gonna it's gonna take some

1574
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,560
Speaker 1: some hardcore planning for sure, all right, Steve Tasker on

1575
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 1: with Chris Brown We're here till two three o'clock. We've

1576
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: got coming up. We've got State of the Bills. We're

1577
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna talk about special teams as well, kickers, putterers, also

1578
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 1: the core guys that are in it. We've got What's

1579
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: for Lunch coming up? And of course what do we learn.

1580
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio and it's presented by Clyda Health.

1581
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:35,639
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, Oh Time by Steve Task,

1582
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:53,720
Speaker 1: sus dome tous Doe Text Time. Welcome back to One

1583
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Bill's Live Steve Task along with Chris Brown. We're here

1584
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: till three o'clock and right now it's gonna What we're

1585
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: gonna do is to take our chance and go into

1586
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: the State of the Bills slash special teams. That means

1587
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:07,519
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the punters, the kickers, the

1588
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: long snapper uh, and maybe drop in a few of

1589
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: the hardcore coverage guys like I used to be. Uh, Brian,

1590
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: what are you your first of First off, the guy

1591
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 1: you always start with when you talk about the specialist

1592
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: for an NFL team is the kicker. Uh, Stephen Haushke. Uh.

1593
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: There was a minute last season where people started raising

1594
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:28,920
Speaker 1: their eyebrows saying, oh, what are you doing any way?

1595
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: And then you know the last half I don't know

1596
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 1: when when it was, the rest of the season, the

1597
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,320
Speaker 1: guy was pretty much money and he's everything you wanted

1598
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,799
Speaker 1: out of your kicker. He hit his last eleven attempts

1599
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 1: in a row, including the forty nine yard or I

1600
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: want to say it was. It was either forty seven, yeah,

1601
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: forty nine yard or with five seconds left in regulation

1602
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: on the road in a wild card game to force

1603
01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: the game to overtime with five seconds on the clock.

1604
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 1: That's a big kick. That's a money kick. Yeah. Um.

1605
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: And I know that he did have a dip at

1606
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: that point during the season, believe it or not, Steve,

1607
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: I think that is less of a factor that's working

1608
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: against him. I think the bigger thing that's working against

1609
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 1: him is his distance on kickoffs. It's just not there

1610
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: with the consistency that I think the Bills wanted to be.

1611
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:36,520
Speaker 1: And so that's why you saw this organization address kickoffs

1612
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: with two players. Kari Vedvik is obviously here primarily to

1613
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: be competition for Corey Bojorquez, and we can get into

1614
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: that after we finished with the kickers here, but he's

1615
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: also a kickoff specialist. So there are two ways that

1616
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:58,879
Speaker 1: the Bills are looking to skin the cat in solving

1617
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: their kickoffs since issue. It's probably either going to be

1618
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: with Cary Vedvik if he can double as a punter

1619
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 1: and a kickoff specialist, or it's with the rookie Tyler Bass,

1620
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: who's got an absolute howitzer for a leg. And just

1621
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: hearing and listening to some of the comments from special

1622
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 1: teams coordinator Heath Farwell when he was made available to

1623
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 1: the media last week, the lengths to which the Bills

1624
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 1: scouted Tyler Bass once he made his initial impressions is

1625
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:43,639
Speaker 1: nothing short of eyebrow raising, Like they went the extra

1626
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: mile and a half to be sure about what they

1627
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,600
Speaker 1: think this guy can be, and then on top of it,

1628
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: they use a draft choice on him, which granted sixth round.

1629
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: That's usually when you take a swing at a kicker,

1630
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: six seventh round, unless there's some ridiculous all world guy.

1631
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, Janikowski obviously broke the mold being a first rounder,

1632
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 1: but they think a lot of this guy, and so

1633
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: even as established and proven as Stephen Houshka is a

1634
01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think Houshka and Farwell were teammates

1635
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: in Seattle in the Super Bowl year when Houshka made

1636
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:28,600
Speaker 1: some big kicks to help that team advance and then

1637
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: ultimately win the Super Bowl. So Stephen Houshka's history in

1638
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: this league is well known by Heath Farwell, who I

1639
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 1: believe was his former teammate in that Super Bowl year

1640
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: in other years in Seattle. But anyway, I'm getting off

1641
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 1: topic here. I think Tyler Bass should not be seen

1642
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: as some young kicker who's here just to kind of

1643
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: push Stephen Houshka a little. I think this is a

1644
01:33:56,200 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: legitimate competition. It is Steven Houshka's job to lose. But

1645
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I think Tyler Bass is one of the strongest candidates

1646
01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: the Bills have had here in a while to unseat

1647
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: a veteran incumbent. Yeah. I agree. Bass has got a

1648
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: big leg, and it always comes up in the conversation.

1649
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: If he's got a leg that strong, the only question

1650
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 1: is can he put it through the uprights all the

1651
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,120
Speaker 1: time and when it counts? Yeah, and particularly on money kicks.

1652
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: Stephen Houska is a proven veteran. Whatever the mindset he

1653
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 1: is and whatever things he brings to the table. And

1654
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: I know people who go to games and I'm laughing

1655
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: because I've seen a kicker or two in my day.

1656
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: They are all different, they're all unique, They all their

1657
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: own way of getting ready. And Houshka is one of

1658
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: those guys that will drive you nuts when he's on

1659
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,719
Speaker 1: the sidelines getting ready to kick and doing it because

1660
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: he's doing stuff. He's playing strange. He's a strange bird

1661
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,360
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. He's got his little routine where he'll

1662
01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:55,560
Speaker 1: come in and he'll have his foot planet at the

1663
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 1: ball and he'll just stand there with his hips and

1664
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,599
Speaker 1: he'll check his hip placement, his back, you know, his foot,

1665
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: his shoulder alignment, his spine alignment. He's doing all this stuff.

1666
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: But technically on the sideline he will ever kick it.

1667
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 1: You know, he'll walk up to it it's plant and

1668
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: won't kick the ball ever. He'll kick like two into

1669
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:17,600
Speaker 1: the net, but he'll approach it and planting walks a

1670
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 1: walkthrough on his approach. Oh, in pregame, during the pregame

1671
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 1: warmups and all that's It's it's like, man old man.

1672
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: He is a weird dude on the field, right, a

1673
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 1: great guy off, yeah, but man old man, dude, what

1674
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 1: if you get if it gets you right, okay, and

1675
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: for them even that even in the practice, even in

1676
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:39,519
Speaker 1: the practice setting during the week, because they'll usually be

1677
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 1: on the other field, as we know, doing their stuff.

1678
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: He's got you remember in industrial arts class, the old

1679
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: T square used to have so you could draw a

1680
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,599
Speaker 1: straight line on the wood you know where to cut.

1681
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 1: He's got something like that to line up the perpendicular

1682
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 1: angle at which he must stand behind the football. So

1683
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: you know when a kicker takes his two or three

1684
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: steps back and then two steps over to line up

1685
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: for the kid, but they all they kind of walk

1686
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:12,479
Speaker 1: back at the angleman take two side steps. He's got

1687
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:17,880
Speaker 1: a giant T square thing kind of thing, So he

1688
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: stands in the exact same point. So he lays it

1689
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:24,680
Speaker 1: down on the field, and the long end is up

1690
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:29,400
Speaker 1: against the kicking tea, so that long straight part comes

1691
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: all the way back, which I guess represents the three

1692
01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: steps back. And then he's got an L so it's

1693
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 1: an L shaped T square. It's not a full TE square.

1694
01:36:36,760 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 1: It's only got two sides. And so then the other

1695
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,800
Speaker 1: side of it is the two steps over. So he

1696
01:36:42,920 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: stands in exactly the same place. So he's I mean

1697
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 1: he's got it measured to the millimeter, Steve. Yeah, but

1698
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: that's why he's been as successful ass And as you know,

1699
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't have to tell you this, but the great

1700
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:58,880
Speaker 1: separator with kickers is who can make the money ones

1701
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: in crunch time? And that's gonna be I think ultimately

1702
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:06,200
Speaker 1: what Tyler Bass has to prove can you make the

1703
01:37:06,280 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 1: money kicks? And here's another element to this, Steve. If

1704
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: we have a shortened preseason where we're only playing two

1705
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:17,520
Speaker 1: preseason games instead of four, there may be fewer opportunities

1706
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:22,600
Speaker 1: for Tyler Bass to prove himself. Right. Yeah, When you

1707
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: can make the money kicks to the forty nine yard

1708
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 1: or with five seconds left to send it to overtime

1709
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: in the in the playoffs, those are the money. Those

1710
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:31,760
Speaker 1: are the ones that give you like, wow, Okay, that

1711
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:34,400
Speaker 1: guy's got it and he didn't miss that kick. It

1712
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: was a hard kick to make, was on natural surface,

1713
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Everything's working against you in that

1714
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:43,560
Speaker 1: but it wasn't a fairly enclosed stadium, none of that.

1715
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 1: But that's a that's a tough kick and he made it,

1716
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: no question about it. And he's done it before. He's

1717
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 1: on a super Bowl team, a super Bowl winning team,

1718
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:55,080
Speaker 1: So he's he's a he've been there and done that, right,

1719
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:59,639
Speaker 1: he is a professional kicker and everything that that implies. Now,

1720
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: guy like Tyler Bass coming in, obviously he's gonna have

1721
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: a fresher leg. He's drafted because he's got a big leg.

1722
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: The question for him is, all right, and the question

1723
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: really is what's gonna set Tyler Bass apart from Stephen

1724
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: Haushka enough to make you kick Stephen Houshka to the curb.

1725
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: Certainly he's on a rookie contract. Okay, the money. Listen,

1726
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 1: they're twenty million dollars under the cap. If they got

1727
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: a guy that'll win a couple of games for him,

1728
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: they'll pay him whatever eight million bucks it is and

1729
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: kick the rookie to the curb. If the rookie's not

1730
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 1: gonna make those kicks, it comes down to who kicks better.

1731
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: Certainly they get some benefit financially if Bass is the guy.

1732
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: But Sean McDermott is not gonna make that decision, and

1733
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:47,560
Speaker 1: neither and Brandon Bean won't make that decision based on

1734
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,280
Speaker 1: cash in my opinion. Now, people and they will cenical

1735
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 1: about it all that, but there's no question you're you're right, brownie.

1736
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,559
Speaker 1: It's about kickoffs, and it's about being money on field.

1737
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 1: Goals that matter, and the ones that matter are the

1738
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 1: ones that when the clock is run and the and

1739
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 1: the game was on, whether it's the first quarter or

1740
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, they all matter. So you got to

1741
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: hit him and that's what it's going to happen to

1742
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 1: take for Tyler bat. He can't miss a kick, right.

1743
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 1: And the other thing here is the Bills touchback percentage,

1744
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 1: just to paint the picture a little clearer. The Bills

1745
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: were sixteenth in the league last year in touchback percentage

1746
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: at just over fifty eight percent. Okay, if you want

1747
01:39:28,240 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: to be in the top five in the league, you

1748
01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: got to be around seventy six percent or better, which

1749
01:39:35,120 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: is a pretty wide swath that you're cutting between the

1750
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 1: fifth team in the league seventy six point four percent.

1751
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: The Bills were sixteenth at fifty eight percent. I mean,

1752
01:39:48,280 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: it's a big margin. That's a wide margin. So that's

1753
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:54,559
Speaker 1: a huge percentage of opportunities you had to give up

1754
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: a big play by a return. Tampa Bay number one

1755
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 1: in the league last year in touchback percent at eighty

1756
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: nine point eight percent. That it makes a difference print. Yeah,

1757
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: that's nothing but a winsprint. For god, you're not going

1758
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: to give up a big play when the guy's kicking

1759
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: it out of the back of the end zone. And

1760
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 1: I believe Tyler bass Is touchback percentage for his college

1761
01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:20,799
Speaker 1: career is seventy six points something, so granted that's college,

1762
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,640
Speaker 1: but that's up in That would be the equivalent of

1763
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 1: top five in the league. And you can't tell me

1764
01:40:27,800 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 1: that the Bills were not looking at that when they

1765
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:33,240
Speaker 1: looked at Tyler Bass as a potential prospect and a

1766
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 1: potential draft choice and a potential ad for this roster.

1767
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: It's interesting, too, Brownie, because everybody talks about analytics and

1768
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: the percentages, and if you're going to slice those percentages down,

1769
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 1: touchback percentage gets thrown into the conversation. You gotta kick

1770
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 1: it out of the end zone every time you know

1771
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 1: you want it. You want do not want them to

1772
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:57,000
Speaker 1: bring the ball out because it gives you a chance

1773
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,680
Speaker 1: to give up a big play. You don't have to

1774
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 1: sweat if you've got one of your core special teams

1775
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,720
Speaker 1: kick covers with a out with a twisted ankle, you're

1776
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,800
Speaker 1: not putting. You can put an offensive backup guard in

1777
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: there because he's not gonna have to cover the kick

1778
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: right well. And not only that, Steve, When you have

1779
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: a top five defense and you know every time you

1780
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 1: can give them or at least seventy five percent of

1781
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 1: the time you can give him seventy five yards a

1782
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: field to defend, you like your chances, right. So if

1783
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:30,880
Speaker 1: you can take that part of the game out and

1784
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: eliminate it three quarters of the time and give your

1785
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 1: top five defense seventy five yards of green grass to defend,

1786
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 1: you're pretty confident you're not going to give up points

1787
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:42,800
Speaker 1: more often than not. And it's and it does make

1788
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: a difference. Tyler pass is gonna come out, he's gonna

1789
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: be able to kick it off, and he's gonna be

1790
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: able to kick it off deep can he and what

1791
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: kind of opportunities he gonna get given a truncated off

1792
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 1: season and a compressed preseason, it's gonna be a tough call,

1793
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,360
Speaker 1: I think for the coaches because they'll chart everything, they'll

1794
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:01,920
Speaker 1: keep track of it, they film everything. But nevertheless, it's

1795
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: hard to come up with pressure kicks. That means something

1796
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,679
Speaker 1: for a guy to have to have that simulated during

1797
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 1: his preparation during the preseason right absolutely. And the Bills

1798
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 1: had a pretty good young kicker here last year in

1799
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,639
Speaker 1: the undrafted kid Chase McLaughlin who could not beat out

1800
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,599
Speaker 1: Stephen Haushka, you know, leading up to the twenty nineteen campaign.

1801
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:24,960
Speaker 1: But he did kick for two other clubs. He kicked

1802
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 1: for San Francisco when Robbie Gould was hurt, and then

1803
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: he kicked for Indy when Adam Vitarry was hurt and

1804
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,920
Speaker 1: did well. And I think I think he's on a

1805
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: roster somewhere. I gotta go take a look. I can't

1806
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:37,599
Speaker 1: remember off the top of my head, but I believe

1807
01:42:37,640 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 1: he is. I think Bass might be even better than McLoughlin.

1808
01:42:42,520 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be. It's gonna and Coach Farwell said it,

1809
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:52,640
Speaker 1: it is an open competition his words, yeah, And have

1810
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 1: you look at the other side of it, the punter's

1811
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:58,200
Speaker 1: cordbar or quiz and the kicker slash punter. Kry Vedvik

1812
01:43:00,360 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 1: throws a wrench into the possibilities that may happen in

1813
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,040
Speaker 1: the whole thing because he can kick off and punt.

1814
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:10,519
Speaker 1: And for him, here's the thing. I don't think Vedvik

1815
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 1: and Tyler Bass makes the club, although they could, but

1816
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: Vedvik's really gonna have to punt well to be on

1817
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,479
Speaker 1: the club, you know what I mean. It'd be a

1818
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 1: boost for him if they could, but I don't know

1819
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 1: if they will, you know what I mean, Because here's

1820
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,400
Speaker 1: the thing about Corey Bhorkez. For me, Steve, and you

1821
01:43:27,439 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 1: can tell me if you agree or disagree. Corey Behorkez

1822
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:38,879
Speaker 1: has uncommon punting ability in terms of height and distance

1823
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 1: that he can put on punts. The problem is it's

1824
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:47,879
Speaker 1: not with nearly the amount of consistency that the coaching

1825
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:52,080
Speaker 1: staff for the Bills would like to see. His main

1826
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 1: number one thing on his priority list is to simply

1827
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 1: just be more consistent with the best of what he

1828
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 1: has as to offer, because the last two years he's

1829
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: done it. Even in the course of a game, he'll

1830
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 1: have a fifty eight yarder with almost five seconds a

1831
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:17,719
Speaker 1: hang time, and then to the next two kicks, yeah,

1832
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 1: he'll chank it or you know, he'll line drive one

1833
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: and it's easily returnable, and he puts stress on the

1834
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: cover team. And he's just got to be more consistent.

1835
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of like, well, you're not gonna

1836
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: remember this. I'm gonna use a baseball reference here, but

1837
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 1: Dave Kingman was a really good home run hitter in

1838
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: the major leagues in the seventies and eighties, and there'd

1839
01:44:41,439 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: be a game where he did three home runs and

1840
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,599
Speaker 1: win the game and knock in nine runs, and then

1841
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 1: the next game he'd strike out four times. Right, So

1842
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: the Horkis has to be he's got a hit for

1843
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:58,280
Speaker 1: average more than he does for power. I think that's

1844
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: he has to do this year. If he's going to

1845
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 1: stay on this rust, you cannot be that roller coaster.

1846
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: And that's what boy Orkes is. He's a great punt

1847
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 1: here and a bad punt there, and a good punt here,

1848
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: and a not so good punt there, and a great

1849
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,560
Speaker 1: punt again, and then another bad punt, and it's a

1850
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: roller coaster. A professional athlete needs to be consistent. Boy

1851
01:45:18,040 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: Orkes has not shown the ability to do that. Plus

1852
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: and not not that it was all his fault, but

1853
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 1: he had that block punt against New England where he

1854
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: went down after it got that thing stuffed back in

1855
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: his face. There have been other times when I thought,

1856
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how poised he is. If something bad

1857
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:42,080
Speaker 1: happens back there, all of that goes into the mix,

1858
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:45,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, and Vedvik has got a cha. I think

1859
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Vedvic has a better chance in this scenario of the

1860
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: specialists they brought into training camp than Tyler Bass does

1861
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 1: right at this point, at the present time, because his

1862
01:45:56,200 --> 01:46:01,800
Speaker 1: competition isn't as established and and this is no pun

1863
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,599
Speaker 1: intended when I say this, he kind of goes into

1864
01:46:03,640 --> 01:46:05,600
Speaker 1: the competition with a leg up because he can do

1865
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:11,720
Speaker 1: more for you. He can kicks kicks, yeah, and really consistency,

1866
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,080
Speaker 1: even if he doesn't have the big leg that Borchis does,

1867
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 1: if he can hit it consistently, there may be days

1868
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 1: when he out punts by Orchis distance and you know,

1869
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: and hang time just because he's consistent. Orchis may bomb

1870
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 1: one or two but then doesn't hit three or four

1871
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 1: in the same way. And overall, a guy like Vedvik

1872
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:34,559
Speaker 1: is a better punter that day. And that's the stack.

1873
01:46:34,680 --> 01:46:36,320
Speaker 1: Enough of those days together and you're on the team,

1874
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: and that's that's the key for Vedvick. It's, yeah, just

1875
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 1: be more consistent than the other guy. Yeah, all right,

1876
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:47,400
Speaker 1: now it's time let's go to uh true NFL True

1877
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 1: False brought to you by Yancy's Family. Are we done

1878
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 1: with it? Special teams. Now you don't want to do that.

1879
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: Jay's shaking me off. Let's go to the tweet sheet,

1880
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: all right. He wants to do more tweet sheets because

1881
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: of this, we're getting so many of them, because of

1882
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,000
Speaker 1: the Josh Allen question. We got to plow through some

1883
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:05,520
Speaker 1: of these. This is if Josh Allen is Josh Allen undervalued?

1884
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: Yes or no? About eighty percent? Twenty percent that yes,

1885
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: he is undervalued, and from Pat on the tweet Jesus,

1886
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,720
Speaker 1: I feel he's underrated from his athletic ability, but still

1887
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 1: has ways to go to be a top ten QB.

1888
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,439
Speaker 1: Maybe this year will be his breakout year once he

1889
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:21,679
Speaker 1: gets his long Bowl dialed in. He'll be a steal

1890
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:25,439
Speaker 1: if they rank him at twenty two. Yeah, I mean yeah,

1891
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: And the twenty two ranking is something that's been coming

1892
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:31,680
Speaker 1: out here of late with the ESPN Nation guys who

1893
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 1: who voted and drafted him at number twenty second quarter

1894
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:38,840
Speaker 1: twenty second quarterback overall. But yeah, that's you're right. If

1895
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,600
Speaker 1: if Josh fixes any of his problems or all of

1896
01:47:42,680 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 1: his problems as much as he fixed him last year

1897
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: from twenty eighteen, yeah, he's gonna be a much better quarterback.

1898
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 1: What do you think his completion percentage has to be

1899
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 1: to get people to shut up and stop talking about it.

1900
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: Sixty five consistently sixty five? Yeah, Okay, he's fifty eight

1901
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 1: point nine now last year and he'll probably and he

1902
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 1: added us if he's okay that fifty nine. He went

1903
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 1: up almost seven percent. So if he does that again,

1904
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 1: that's sixty six percent. Sixty five percent. Yeah, I don't

1905
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:20,280
Speaker 1: know if he's happy this year. That's just half. I

1906
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 1: fully expect him to be sixty three. I fully expect

1907
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: him too, And I think that's get people to shut up. Well,

1908
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: here's the thing. No, but here's what's happened. He could

1909
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: if he had sixty five percent of his passes and

1910
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,200
Speaker 1: the team only wins seven games or six games, he'll

1911
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: be the blame no matter what he does. You know,

1912
01:48:41,160 --> 01:48:45,040
Speaker 1: they'll call him out. Yeah he won games if he's

1913
01:48:45,080 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: completing sixty five. That's the way it works, you know

1914
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:48,559
Speaker 1: how it is if you have a you know, if

1915
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: you have a great statistical year as a quarterback like

1916
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:56,400
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, Yeah, complete percent of his last year. If

1917
01:48:56,479 --> 01:48:58,440
Speaker 1: that had a if he had a debt Dak Prescott

1918
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:02,800
Speaker 1: kind of year, he'd get crushed. Still, that's just the

1919
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:06,560
Speaker 1: way it is because people won't let go. People won't go.

1920
01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what what And I don't do this.

1921
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm laughing when I say this. But you

1922
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 1: know you're if I'm him, I'm making a list of

1923
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 1: all these guys, right What are you pinning it up

1924
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 1: in your locker? Yeah? Exactly. You got a list of

1925
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,120
Speaker 1: all of them and every day you come into work,

1926
01:49:22,200 --> 01:49:24,519
Speaker 1: particularly the names right in the back of the locker.

1927
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 1: They started on the day you were drafted. And then

1928
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 1: when they doubled down, there's a there's like their name

1929
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 1: gets underlined, you know, and then when they doubled down again,

1930
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:35,439
Speaker 1: there's a separate list for those guys, right. So, and

1931
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of guys you have, Brownie, they're

1932
01:49:38,479 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 1: all doubling down on it. The double dim wits um

1933
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,200
Speaker 1: all right. Next down the tweet sheet here from Ralph

1934
01:49:47,080 --> 01:49:51,280
Speaker 1: have n if failed defensive coordinators rank QB's most difficult

1935
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 1: to game plan against. I bet Josh is in the

1936
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:57,040
Speaker 1: top ten easily. And it's not just his ability to run.

1937
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:00,719
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that comm it there because

1938
01:50:01,560 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 1: if you're a defensive coordinator, Steve even though his deep

1939
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:08,240
Speaker 1: ball accuracy hasn't been what they wanted to be, or

1940
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 1: even what he wants it to be. If he just

1941
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: gets it a little bit better, you've got to defend

1942
01:50:14,479 --> 01:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the whole field against him, right yeah, Oh, there's no

1943
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,600
Speaker 1: question about it. I'll give you an example. Back in

1944
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: the day, back in the dark ages, when I played.

1945
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm playing for the Houston Oilers and Jerry Glanville was

1946
01:50:28,000 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 1: our defensive coordinator. Jerry Glanville was an accomplished defensive coordinator,

1947
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: and of course he took a couple of different franchises

1948
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 1: to the playoffs, the Atlanta Falcons and the Oilers as well.

1949
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,759
Speaker 1: Really a good head coach, but he was a defensive

1950
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 1: coordinator before me, that was an assistant coach here in

1951
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:48,760
Speaker 1: Buffalo back in the day. We're playing the San Francisco

1952
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers. This in the mid eighties, eighty five

1953
01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:55,519
Speaker 1: eighty six, right, yeah, and they wanted and rights like,

1954
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 1: so Montana is their quarterback. Steve Young is the backup

1955
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 1: at this point. You know, you remember that controversy, right, Okay,

1956
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: So both of them are in the Hall of Fame,

1957
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,880
Speaker 1: but we're playing and Joe Joe Montana is their quarterback

1958
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 1: Joe Montana. We're getting ready for him, and Jerry was

1959
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:16,599
Speaker 1: all about, you know, the zone blitz. He was bringing

1960
01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: pressure and you're gonna get a free hitter on the quarterback.

1961
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 1: And Jerry they're talking about, says you gotta hit him,

1962
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: and Jerry goes, now, listen, we're gonna get a hit

1963
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: on him, but do not hit him hard enough to

1964
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: put him out of the game. We do not want

1965
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 1: number eight in the game, which means Steve Young. We

1966
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 1: do not want Steve Young in the game because if

1967
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,080
Speaker 1: Steve Young comes in the game, we can't beat him

1968
01:51:41,080 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 1: because he'll take off and run. He'll beat us. We

1969
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,599
Speaker 1: can beat Montana if we We're gonna have to hit

1970
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: him and we're gonna have to get him on the ground,

1971
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,599
Speaker 1: but you cannot hit him so hard that he's out

1972
01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:56,560
Speaker 1: of the game. He wanted he wanted Joe Montana in

1973
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,799
Speaker 1: the game rather than Steve Young. Wow. So that that'll

1974
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: tell you how defensive coordinators feel about quarterbacks. He'd see

1975
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 1: he knows what Steve Young could do with his legs,

1976
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 1: and they had no answer for that. Have you ever

1977
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 1: told Steve that story? I have not told him that story.

1978
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 1: Oh you gotta tell him that when you see him

1979
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: against him, I will, I'll tell him something. Oh my god,

1980
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: he'd eat that one up. Yeah, it's true, it's true. Hey,

1981
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,839
Speaker 1: Chris Brown's Steve Tasker here. We're here till three o'clock.

1982
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:24,880
Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presenter by Collide Hell. We'll

1983
01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 1: be right back after this. This is One Bills Live.

1984
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 1: Welcome back to One Bill's Lives. Keep Tasker Chris Brown here, Brownie.

1985
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:37,120
Speaker 1: We've been talking about Josh Allen and whether he's undervalued,

1986
01:52:37,200 --> 01:52:39,000
Speaker 1: Like eighty percent of the people listening to our show,

1987
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 1: as you might imagine, feel he's undervalued. How big a

1988
01:52:43,200 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: percentage do you think, Brownie does he get for helping

1989
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 1: him win ten games last year? Uh? I think most

1990
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 1: outside observers tend to give the credit to the defense,

1991
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:05,760
Speaker 1: sure mostly, and I understand why. But you still have

1992
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:08,320
Speaker 1: to score points to win. You can't win playing zero

1993
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 1: zero football. So I would say it's pretty close to forty.

1994
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 1: Maybe you give the defense fifty five and he's probably

1995
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:25,560
Speaker 1: thirty five to forty and figure out the rest with

1996
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: some other playmakers. I don't know. Yeah, it's hard to say.

1997
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,320
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. But the tweets sheet we've got

1998
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:33,439
Speaker 1: always got people with pretty strong opinions, as Josh Valley,

1999
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: as Josh Allen undervalued yes or knowing why and from

2000
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: Ken He says, critics blindly quoting pre draft narrative and

2001
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 1: haven't watched the Bills. Despite phenomenal Thanksgiving Day game, critics

2002
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,519
Speaker 1: get stuck on the playoff loss versus the Texans. Blowing

2003
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 1: that lead was a team effort, but people only remember

2004
01:53:54,040 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 1: his dumb lateral. Win that game, and it's a different story.

2005
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 1: Do you think that game, if the Bills come back

2006
01:53:58,760 --> 01:54:02,160
Speaker 1: win in overtime, do you think things are different? I

2007
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: think if they're depending on how it would, you know,

2008
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:06,080
Speaker 1: I think if they win that game, yes, it's different.

2009
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:08,599
Speaker 1: Even if it's like if the game is won by

2010
01:54:08,800 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 1: like a pick six by Tredavius, Josh has nothing to

2011
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,719
Speaker 1: do with it in overtime. Yeah, I think so, because

2012
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,720
Speaker 1: because they've get to play another game, and now you're

2013
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:22,840
Speaker 1: onto the divisional round and now it's another game to

2014
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 1: make another national impression. So hopefully it does well in

2015
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,280
Speaker 1: the four national games this year, because I think they

2016
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 1: could go a long way to convincing the naysayers. All Right,

2017
01:54:32,800 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: we're kind of running out of till you what else

2018
01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 1: do you think anything else? It grabs you from the

2019
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: tweet sheet that you want to do, what you want

2020
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 1: to read. There's like there's like six or eight of

2021
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: these we've gathered here we got this week from Johnny

2022
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 1: says Josh Alten is one hundred percent undervalued. The man

2023
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 1: is a proven leader and his teammates can vouch for it.

2024
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:51,720
Speaker 1: He has a significant jump from year one to year

2025
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:53,440
Speaker 1: two and now we're going to be in year three.

2026
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:58,840
Speaker 1: This guy's the limit. Name me one quarterback who would

2027
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:01,760
Speaker 1: gather the who gathered their offense in the pandemic? Well,

2028
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:07,480
Speaker 1: John Sam Darnold gathered the Jets offense Josh, Yeah, we

2029
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:10,280
Speaker 1: get that. So there's whether he did it because Josh

2030
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 1: did or whatever is it remains to be seen. But

2031
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: Josh gathered the Bills offense down in Florida at a

2032
01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 1: private training facility, and you know, obviously his buddy Sam

2033
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 1: Darnold followed suit and got some of the Jet guys together.

2034
01:55:23,120 --> 01:55:24,880
Speaker 1: Now they weren't there at the same time or whatever,

2035
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 1: they staggered it, but I think the Jets. Yeah, so

2036
01:55:28,920 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 1: it is happening for the Jets as well as it

2037
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 1: did for the bills bills a couple of weeks ago,

2038
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 1: or have been doing it. Big old copycat is what

2039
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:40,960
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, all right, let's do some let's do

2040
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,760
Speaker 1: NFL true false. Brought to you by Yancy's Fancy New

2041
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:47,720
Speaker 1: York's Artisan Cheese NFL true false, Brownie, are you ready

2042
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: got three of these today? And this is got a

2043
01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: little bit of history and a little bit of current

2044
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 1: stuff too. All right, here we go currently NFL true false.

2045
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:58,800
Speaker 1: It is a good tactic for running backs to hold

2046
01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: out true false. Recent history would tell you it's not

2047
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:08,520
Speaker 1: a good idea, Levy on Bell being one, Melvin Gordon

2048
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 1: being another. I think Dalvin Cook is trying to take

2049
01:56:14,640 --> 01:56:19,000
Speaker 1: the Christian McCaffrey approach to holding out, because Dalvin Cooke,

2050
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings running back, is the guy that's saying

2051
01:56:21,800 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: he's not going to participate in any more offseason activities

2052
01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:30,919
Speaker 1: until he gets a better contract. And he turns twenty

2053
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:37,680
Speaker 1: five in August. So there's there's militch left on those tires. Sure,

2054
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 1: because twenty eight is usually the the breaking point where

2055
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people and analytics confirm this that running

2056
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 1: backs start to tail off in terms of production from there,

2057
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: So with three more good seasons arguably left, now's the

2058
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: time to sign, try to demand the next. Christian McCaffrey

2059
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:05,560
Speaker 1: was the beneficiary of an all world year in terms

2060
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,560
Speaker 1: of production, so they struck while the iron was hot,

2061
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 1: and that was smart on his part and on his

2062
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 1: agent's part, and he got his money. I think he

2063
01:57:15,200 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: also benefited from the fact that Cam Newton couldn't play

2064
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:20,400
Speaker 1: and was hurt and was probably going to be moved

2065
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 1: moved on in a transition for an organization. So everything

2066
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of fell into place for Christian McCaffrey and the

2067
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:32,360
Speaker 1: deal that he ultimately got. Dalvin Cook, I think is

2068
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 1: trying to take a page out of that book. I

2069
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,400
Speaker 1: think Kirk Cousins a very good quarterback. I don't know

2070
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:42,240
Speaker 1: if someone would call him a top ten franchise quarterback.

2071
01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that, and I think he benefits

2072
01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:47,760
Speaker 1: from a strong running game. Dalvin Cook's coming off his

2073
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,680
Speaker 1: first one thousand yard rushing season, so I think he's

2074
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:54,080
Speaker 1: trying to strike while the iron is hot, and it's

2075
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 1: a passing game that lost some of its firepower. Stefan

2076
01:57:56,800 --> 01:57:59,400
Speaker 1: takes traded so there's more money in the pots, so

2077
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:02,720
Speaker 1: to speak. So yeah, I think the timing is right

2078
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 1: for him to hold out. Is it a good tactic

2079
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 1: overall for running backs to hold out? I would say false. Yeah,

2080
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:12,040
Speaker 1: I would say false as well. And every guy's different too.

2081
01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you can make generalizations about the about the

2082
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 1: player and about what his leverage is and stuff, but

2083
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 1: it's every guy is different, So I'm not I don't

2084
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: think you can make a blanket statement say it's right

2085
01:58:22,440 --> 01:58:24,920
Speaker 1: for this guy, it's right for everybody because this guy

2086
01:58:25,000 --> 01:58:26,800
Speaker 1: did it, or it's wrong for everybody because this guy

2087
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't work out, like Levon Bell. But I

2088
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:34,160
Speaker 1: think I think, hey, if a guy wants to hold out,

2089
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:35,880
Speaker 1: let him hold out, his fine, do it. But you

2090
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: gotta know what your leverage is. You gotta know what

2091
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:40,640
Speaker 1: the market is, and you gotta know what the situation

2092
01:58:40,720 --> 01:58:42,360
Speaker 1: of your team is. If you hold out, if they're

2093
01:58:42,400 --> 01:58:44,320
Speaker 1: not gonna give you what you should get, even on

2094
01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:47,280
Speaker 1: their own team given their constraints, then yeah, you hold out.

2095
01:58:47,320 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 1: But if not, if they're gonna give you, if they're

2096
01:58:48,760 --> 01:58:52,440
Speaker 1: gonna franchise, you don't hold out. Tign the franchise tag.

2097
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:55,080
Speaker 1: That is a big year. It's a one year deal

2098
01:58:56,200 --> 01:59:00,960
Speaker 1: because if you don't. It says to me, you want

2099
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:05,200
Speaker 1: to get the money and shut it down. To me, right,

2100
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:08,240
Speaker 1: if you want to play, then take them. You're gonna

2101
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:10,320
Speaker 1: be playing one of the like one of the top

2102
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:14,680
Speaker 1: top five. Yep, so hold on, we got to I

2103
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Speaker 1: don't know who that is talking to us. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: if you got a chance to hold out and you've

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Speaker 1: got some leverage, do that. Hold out. But if you don't,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna sign the franchise, I think it's all

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Speaker 1: about signing the franchise. Take. If you sign the franchise, take,

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Speaker 1: you gotta play and hit a home run again. But

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Speaker 1: it's not You can't make blanket statements like that, in

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Speaker 1: my opinion, So I'm gonna say it's false. Right. And

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Speaker 1: and the other thing too is you know, with running backs,

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Speaker 1: you you misjudge your leverage, you run the risk of

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Speaker 1: never seeing that money again that you're being offered. And

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Speaker 1: Levy and Bell is the perfect example of that. Don't

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Speaker 1: miss a year. Money left on the table in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: he will never see again, fifteen million dollars of it.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't miss a year of your career. You gotta play,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta play well. Every year. Every time you're

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Speaker 1: on the field. You cannot take it out of gear,

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Speaker 1: all right, NFL true false. Number two Dolphins pass catchers

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Speaker 1: are one of the most underrated groups in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: I'll say yeah, because I don't think they're very good.

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Speaker 1: I think they are underrated. But I'm only really looking

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Speaker 1: at the top three, and I'm putting the tight end

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Speaker 1: Gasicki in this category. Devant Parker finally became what they

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Speaker 1: thought he was going to be when they drafted. After

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Speaker 1: a couple of inconsistent seasons, Gasicki came on strong at

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Speaker 1: the end of last season when really nobody was watching

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins anymore because you know, they were out of

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Speaker 1: it and they were just scraping to get some wins.

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Speaker 1: But he finished the season strong, and he's not really

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Speaker 1: a tight end. He's more of a tight receiver. And

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Speaker 1: then Preston Williams for an undrafted kid enormous size, ormous

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Speaker 1: catch radius. I was impressed with the game he had

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Speaker 1: against the Bills last year. He impressed me. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to talk strictly about their top three, I

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Speaker 1: think you could make an argument that they're underrated. The

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Speaker 1: most underrated. Uh maybe, yeah. I mean, I'm trying off

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Speaker 1: the top of my head to think of a receiving

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Speaker 1: corps that's more underrated, and for a team that was

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Speaker 1: essentially a doormat for the first half of last season,

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Speaker 1: I guess you could make the argument that they're underrated,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know about most Preston Williams was undrafted correct, yes,

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Speaker 1: and he had an ACL in Week nine. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you can say that right now he's going to

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Speaker 1: come back and be the same guy he was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he maybe, and you're right, he may have impressed. He

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Speaker 1: may have been kind of a diamond in the rough,

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Speaker 1: might have had a great season and was playing very well,

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Speaker 1: and might have been the leader on their team in

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Speaker 1: yards and catches. But he's hurt and he's a question

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Speaker 1: mark now us and whether Mike Gasecki can come back

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Speaker 1: in and have and recreate his success from last half

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Speaker 1: of last year. I don't know that they were the same.

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Speaker 1: Certainly they were playing better than they did in the

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Speaker 1: first half of the season at the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that a lot of teams did

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Speaker 1: not have their foot on the gas when they played

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Speaker 1: those guys either, So we'll see. Yeah, they are not

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Speaker 1: rated very highly by a lot of people. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think that matter. Do you think do you think

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Speaker 1: they're worth it or not. I think they are worth

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Speaker 1: being underrated or not rated very highly, and they're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to prove differently to me, so I would I

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Speaker 1: would say, no, they're not underrated. They're rated exactly the

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Speaker 1: way they should be. They're not the most underrated NFL

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Speaker 1: True false, last one NFL true false Number three. The

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine Rams had the best offense in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: True or false. It's probably a top three to five

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Speaker 1: offense in NFL history. I don't think there's any question

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Speaker 1: about that. It's hard to not look at the Vikings

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Speaker 1: offense with Randall Cunningham, Randy Moss, and Chris Carter. What

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Speaker 1: year was at eight? Remember they lost in the NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game on that botched field goal against the After

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Speaker 1: the season, it's the last screen was the head coach

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Speaker 1: of that team. That was an unbelievable offense. I mean

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Speaker 1: the Bills played the Vikings that year because that was

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Speaker 1: Randy Moss's rookie year, I think, and he had sixteen

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Speaker 1: or seventeen touchdowns and he was just blowing the doors

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Speaker 1: off of the Buffalo secondary and every other secondary in

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Speaker 1: the league for that matter. Um, that was I think

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Speaker 1: they still have the record for most points scored in

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Speaker 1: a season that team. Well, no, maybe not twelve twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve Denver Broncos probably broke that. That's my offense that

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Speaker 1: I point to, Manning West Welker, that crew, who was

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Speaker 1: the Barrius Thomas. Yeah, there were some guys. They were

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Speaker 1: very good. And here's another here's another group that I

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Speaker 1: throw in there too, that gets lost in the shuffle

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Speaker 1: a lot. Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne Edger, and

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Speaker 1: James that in two thousand and four, that two thousand

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Speaker 1: and four Colts team that wasn't even the team that

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Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, but that team could go, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't have much of a defense to speak of.

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Speaker 1: Peyton Mann he used to run the play clock down

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Speaker 1: to one almost every play just to keep his defense

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Speaker 1: off the field, so so the offense would almost slow

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Speaker 1: it down on purpose and then still make plays anyway.

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Speaker 1: But that was a crew. Also, I think Dallas Clark

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Speaker 1: was the tight end. Yeah, Dallas Clark, Marvin, Marvin Harrison,

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Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne, Yeah, that's a that's a crew. That's a group.

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Speaker 1: That's a real crew there. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Rams and nine nine Rams greatest show

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Speaker 1: on turf was great. They were great, man, There's no

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Speaker 1: question about had Hall of Famer caliber players all over.

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Speaker 1: Marshall Fall, Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Ozakier, Hakim, they had

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Speaker 1: some guys. So they were very good and they deserved consideration.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know, I couldn't just give that to them. Certainly, statistically,

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Speaker 1: I think the twelve Denver Broncos was probably better than

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Speaker 1: most of these teams that we mentioned. Manning set the

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Speaker 1: touchdown passing record that yeah, yeah, and he was and

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Speaker 1: they were just unstoppable. And that's the team too that

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Speaker 1: I said is the culprit or the victim of the

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Speaker 1: greatest Super Bowl defense of all time, and that was

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Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks when they held that crew to eight points.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable display a defense by Seattle against maybe one of

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Speaker 1: the great offenses to ever reached the Super Bowl. Here's

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Speaker 1: the interesting thing too, I think only five teams that

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Speaker 1: led the NFL in scoring in the regular season have

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Speaker 1: gone on to win the Super Bowl. Five. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable. It's very and you hear all those guys saying,

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Speaker 1: right now, Jay Franz wins championships, and that's true. That's

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Speaker 1: proof right there, man, because that is the deal. All right,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker, Chris Brown, We'll be right back after this break.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio presenter by Kalida Health and

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Speaker 1: equipment rental company of the Buffalo Bills Earner. In the show,

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Speaker 1: we had Neil Reynolds who's a Sky Sports NFL dot

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Speaker 1: com analyst based in the United Kingdom. He had a

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Speaker 1: podcast with Josh Norman, Bill's Cornerback as his guest. He

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Speaker 1: related to us how Josh Norman, earning his career, acquired

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Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder and it was by attending

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Speaker 1: a draft where he didn't get drafted. You know, he said,

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Speaker 1: he knows what it's gonna be, he knows what it's

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Speaker 1: gonna look like. And I think he just wants to

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Speaker 1: you know you're right, because he's got that kind of mentality.

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Speaker 1: I want to prove everyone wrong. Still, this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who told me this story in the In the podcast,

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Speaker 1: He went to the NFL draft the year he was

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Speaker 1: chosen in the fifth round, and he sat in the

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Speaker 1: audience and watched everyone's name being called and used that

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Speaker 1: as fuel. I thought that was incredible. He tortured himself.

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Speaker 1: He went to the draft and watched everyone else at

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Speaker 1: that moment, and he did three days for three days,

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Speaker 1: held that right? I mean wow. That was Neil Reynolds

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Speaker 1: on his podcast of White and the podcast the podcast

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Speaker 1: Let you Know. To let you know, it's episode six

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Speaker 1: of the Neil Reynolds Podcast. That was brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Yancey's No, that was brought you by Skywarks, the

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Speaker 1: official construction equipment company of the Buffalo Bills. Brownie. That

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Speaker 1: would give you a chip watching everybody get picked ahead

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Speaker 1: of you, right when you think you're better than that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: especially when you're a fifth round draft choice. I mean,

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Speaker 1: my gosh, you're talking of what is that? Upwards of

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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty some odd names going to probably

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Speaker 1: a countless number of cornerbacks in the process. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wonder what it was ship. Yeah, chip chip, It's

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Speaker 1: like I was two twenty six overall and I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a chip because of that. I caught. It didn't

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Speaker 1: deserve to be drafted. I was. I was like, whoo,

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Speaker 1: who I was? That was me? All right, Steve Tasker,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brand We'll be back with you tomorrow at noon.

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Speaker 1: We'll be there at noon until three one Bills Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Clyde Hell. Thanks for joining us, everybody, Brownie,

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Speaker 1: have a good night. This has been