1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, West Hodkowits were coming to 4 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: you from socially distant locations at lambeau Field West. As 5 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: we head into Super Bowl weekend, we are going to 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: find out on Saturday night. I'm assuming we are going 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: to find out on Saturday night that Packers quarterback Aaron 8 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: Rodgers will be a three time NFL Most Valuable Player 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Award winner two thousand eleven, two thousand fourteen, and certainly 10 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: all all signs are pointing to him winning it again 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: in I'm just gonna throw an open ended question out 12 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: your way with regard to Rogers Place, specifically, when you 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: look back at the season, what will you remember most? 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: What stands out to you about it? Him playing on 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: time again is the number one thing. There were so 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: many years where between, and I think there was a 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: couple of different things in play. One he's talked it 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: a lot about is the the you know, him breaking 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: his leg and in eighteen and you know, the knee 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: injuries and everything else that he was dealing with. He 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: just he was still Aaron Rodgers. But it was kind 22 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: of like the wounded you know, Wolf, a little bit 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: like he just wasn't able to be what he always 24 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: has been because of some of the limitations that were 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: holding him back. But then I think there were also 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: certain things that he had to work his way out 27 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: of and he had to regain a comfort level, uh, 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: in the offense and being able to make this transition 29 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: from Matt Lafleur's scheme, from Mike McCarthy scheme to Matt 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: Lafleur's scheme and in the trend, the switch and the 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: maturation process you saw from nineteen to twenty. Uh, this 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: is the best player in the National Football League. And 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: for him to not only get the forty eight touchdown 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: passes and have a one passer rating point five, the 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: second best of his career. But Mike, that seventy point 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: seven completion percentage for a guy that was for so 37 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: long kind of aligned for throwing the ball away to 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: too much and you know, extending the plays when you know, 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: not being quick triggered. He played on time, as he 40 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: said in his appearance with Pat McAfee, he regained you know, 41 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: the confidence in his knee and his hitch, you know, 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: being able to to sink into it better. And and 43 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: as he mentioned, because you think about the game of 44 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: football and it's just, oh, just go back and throw 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the ball. But every single movement that's part of his dropback, 46 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: it all lines up with where the receivers are in 47 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: their routs, the timing of the play, and that's why 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: he felt like the timing was better, and that's why 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: he felt the accuracy was better. For Aaron Rodgers to 50 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: go seventy points seven completion percentage when you asked me 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: about two thousand and twenty, that will be the first 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: thing that always comes to mind. Yeah, it's pretty remarkable 53 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: that a quarterback in his thirteenth year as a starter 54 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: would set both personal bests and franchise records in the 55 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: categories of touchdown passes and completion percentage t s. And 56 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: the seventy point at seven. As you mentioned, I think 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: what stands out to me the most. It goes along 58 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: with what you said about playing on time. But the 59 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: way I would phrase it, or the way I'll remember 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: it is his command of the game. And I say 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: that not because Aaron Rodgers hasn't played like this before. 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: And you know, the command that he showed at the 63 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with making the checks and just looking 64 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: like he was always in control of what was going 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: on out there. We've seen that before. He's one m 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: v p S before the run the table in we 67 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: saw Aaron Rodgers playing like that with that sort of 68 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: command at the line of scrimmage. But what stood out 69 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: to me about it this year is that he achieved 70 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: that level of command in just his second year in 71 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: a brand new offense. We didn't see it in nine 72 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: when he and all the other players on offense we're 73 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: learning Matt Lafleur system and we're trying to get accustomed 74 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: to it, and Rogers command of the offense and of 75 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: everything that was going on in the field went to 76 00:03:56,320 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: another level in just his second year in the offense, 77 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: and and the um the progress, the maturation of everything. 78 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: His mastery of this offense just in a second season, 79 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I think speaks volumes of the kind of player he is, 80 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: both both mentally and then obviously physically. With the things 81 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: that that you talked about, the way he the way 82 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: he got his game physically back to where we had 83 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: seen it in the past. He reminds me almost like 84 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: of a professor right where you know, there's certain you know, 85 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: men and women out there, they're gonna be incredibly intelligent, 86 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna have high i q s. They're gonna be 87 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: able to research and see things and you know, go 88 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: through their doctor program. But the more knowledge that you 89 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: gain over the years, the stronger that makes you. From 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: whether it's a critical thinking aspect or an argumentation or 91 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: just being able to present facts to a classroom. That's 92 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,799 Speaker 1: where I saw Rogers this year. He's seen it all, 93 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: he's done it all. And because of that knowledge base 94 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: that he has, everything that he's looked at on the field, 95 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: he's seen it for the most part in some shape 96 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: or form before and being able to get his physical 97 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: aspect of that back, you know, being able to be confident, 98 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: to stand tall in the pocket. And and also Mike 99 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: give credit to this, to the scheme. How many times 100 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: this year did he go out of his way to 101 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: mention you know what Nathaniel Hackett, Matt Lafleur and Luke 102 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: Getsie what these coaches had come up with. Uh, it 103 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: was innovative, it was creative, and he wasn't you know, 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: he was obviously embracing what what that change was the 105 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: last two seasons. And when somebody asked me this, you know, 106 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: in year three, now, what do you expect in Matt 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: lafleur scheme? You know, I expect him to take it 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: to another level because there's still things they can work on. Certainly, 109 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: we've got to figure out what this backfield looks like. 110 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be a couple of new offensive 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: weapons that will be added this offseason three that the 112 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: draft of free agency, but seeing where they take this 113 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: now when okay, now you've established Robert Tonyan, you have 114 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: Davante Adams, considered one of the best in the game, 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: and this multitude of you know that the illusion of 116 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: complexity that we always talk about. I think you're gonna 117 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: see la fleur and hack it go back into the 118 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, the lab this offseason and find some more 119 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 1: stuff to to bring this offense back and and and 120 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: make them even more potent. And and obviously, as we 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: heard earlier this week, Aaron Rodgers is a massive part 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: of that plan. Yeah, no question about it. And the 123 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: historical significance of this being a third m v P 124 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: for Rogers again assuming that he is named that m 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: v P on Saturday Night, which is what we all expect. 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,679 Speaker 1: The significance of this is is pretty astounding because only 127 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 1: five other players in the history of the Associated Press 128 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: NFL Most Valuable Player Award, which dates back to seven, 129 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: only five other players have ever won it three times, 130 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: and that list is Peyton Manning, who tops the list 131 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: with five m vps. But then the other three time 132 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: winners are Tom Brady, Brett Farve, Johnny Unitis and Jim 133 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: Brown and Aaron Rodgers adding his name to that list. 134 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: He mentioned it um during the season when the question 135 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: was posed to him, what would it mean to you 136 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: to to join a list of players like that? And 137 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: of course he said it would be incredibly special. Um. 138 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: He would always trade the m v p s for 139 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: another Super Bowl, of course, but um, but he's well 140 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: aware of the of the legacy that that he's establishing. 141 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: And when you think about, as we've been talking about 142 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: what he did in his second year in the Flour's 143 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: offense and maybe where this is headed in year three, 144 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: year four for him in La Fleur's offense, three m vps, 145 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: he he might not be done now. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, 146 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: lots of other really good quarterbacks. Tom Brady's not done 147 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: playing yet either. But um, but to say, you know, you, 148 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: you can't even say that this is by any means 149 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: the last hurrah for Aaron Rodgers being in an m 150 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: v P race based on how he played in Yeah, 151 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: and when you look at Brady now to Mike, I mean, 152 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, certainly he has to stay healthy. You gotta 153 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: avoid disaster in the pocket and and those things that 154 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: can change, you know, in an instant. But for him 155 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: to be able to play at this level at forty three, 156 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: I have to imagine Aaron Rodgers looks at that and 157 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: is inspired to to what he could potentially do. Was talking. 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: I was talking with James Jones a couple of weeks 159 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: ago for a story I was trying to write on 160 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Davante Adams that we will right at some point. Uh. 161 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: Also is asking him about Aaron Rodgers and his candidacy 162 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: for this, and he said there's two things that really 163 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: stood out to him and why he thinks he can 164 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: play into his forties. And it's one he has natural 165 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: arm talent. Uh, not the kind of stuff that you're 166 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: just gonna go walk into a weight room and just 167 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, build up your arm strength or just make 168 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: yourself into something that you maybe naturally aren't. Uh. He 169 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: throws the ball hard and far, and he doesn't have 170 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: to do like put a lot into it to be 171 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: able to accomplish that. It's just god given ability that 172 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: he's been able to cultivate over the years with his mechanics. 173 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: And for that reason, James thinks he's gonna be able 174 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: to play well into his forties. And then when you 175 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: look at the fact that he has taken care of 176 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: himself the way that he has, I don't know if 177 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: he's on the TV twelve type diet that that Tom 178 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: Brady's on that I don't think I could survive more 179 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: than six hours if it was up to me. But 180 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: he obviously years ago whether it was his, you know, 181 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: looking into the gluten and lactose in those type of things. 182 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: Rogers made a commitment in his early thirties. Now he's 183 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: sitting at thirty seven these early thirties, that he wanted 184 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: to play into his forties. He wanted to be able 185 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: to How many times we heard about the back nine 186 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: analogy that he used, and it wasn't just the weight room, 187 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't just squatting. It was his diet, and Rogers 188 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: is an incredibly disciplined human being and for that reason, Yeah, 189 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: he's at thirty seven. We're gonna see what the future holds. 190 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: I personally am really embracing this whole beautiful mystery thing 191 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: that he brought up a couple of weeks ago. We 192 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: can't predict what is going to happen. You don't know 193 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: when the last time is ultimately that you're gonna step 194 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: on a field. So yeah, just let it play out 195 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: and see where it takes us. But certainly at thirty seven, 196 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: Brady at forty three really showing no signs of slowing down. 197 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: It looks like he wants to even maybe take it 198 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: past forty five now or whatever he was saying in 199 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: the media this past week. Yeah, I think we gotta 200 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: stop trying to put timelines on everybody. Yeah. Absolutely. Well. 201 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 1: One other m v P note to put this in 202 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: perspective for Packers fans. With Rogers winning his third m 203 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: v P since the advent of the Associated Press Award 204 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: in nine seven, this will now be the ninth m 205 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: v P that the Green Bay Packers of one Paul Hornick, 206 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: Jim Taylor, bart Starr each one one m v P 207 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: in the Lombardi era in the sixties five one three 208 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Rogers won three. That is nine. And if you look 209 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: at West, you look at the Packers current NFC North 210 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: rivals Minnesota, Chicago, and Detroit, those three franchises have won 211 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: a combined five m v p s in the time 212 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: that the Packers have won nine. So Green Bay has 213 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: almost doubled up on its competitors. For those who are 214 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: wondering the five m vps, Adrian Peterson, fran Tarkenton, Alan 215 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: Page for the Minnesota Vikings, Bear, Barry Sanders, who taught 216 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: who out, shared one with Brett far Brett Farst. Third 217 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: one was shared with Sanders and then Walter Payton of 218 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears in nineteen seventy seven. Yeah, Alan Page 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: on me, I would have gotten seventy one. As you 220 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: can tell, I was doing some research for what we're 221 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: going to be posting over the over the weekend here 222 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: on the website. But Alan Page one of the few 223 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: defensive players to win the NFL's Most Valuable Player award 224 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one. The last defensive player to win 225 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,479 Speaker 1: it actually Nighties six Lawrence Taylor. It's been all quarterbacks 226 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: and running backs since nine eight six to U to 227 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: win the award. Wide receivers never won it. I thought 228 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: that was interesting, Yeah, that never that is true. Um 229 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 1: Don Hucker having back before the Associated Press, as I say, 230 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: I referenced the nineteen fifty seven the birth of the 231 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: Associated Press Award. There was a league MVP back in 232 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: the forties and Don Hudson for the Packers won that 233 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: a couple of times, but it's not recognized in the 234 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: same way that the Associated Press won as far as 235 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: the the history books dating back to fifty seven when 236 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: Jim Brown won the first two in in fifty seven 237 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: and fifty eight. So sirius x M NFL radio Channel 238 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: eighty eight West is the only radio outlet dedicated to 239 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: the National Football League seven days a week, three hundred 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: sixty five days a year. The other news that will 241 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: be coming out this weekend prior to the Super Bowl 242 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,599 Speaker 1: will be the Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of 243 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: one and again another assumption. Another expectation that we have 244 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: for this weekend is that former Packers defensive back Charles 245 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Woodson will become a first ballot Hall of Famer. This 246 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: is his first year of eligibility. I can't imagine that 247 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: he's not going to get in um and uh, here's 248 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: here's a couple of things, a couple of statistics to 249 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: throw your way with regard to this West. Charles Woodson 250 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: played eighteen seasons in the National Football League as a 251 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: defensive back, which is remarkable. He played only seven of 252 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: those eighteen in green Bay. He played the other eleven 253 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: in Oakland. On both the front and the back end 254 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: of his stint in green Bay. But you could really 255 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: make the argument that the seven years in Green Bay 256 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: is what took Charles Woodson from you know, the Pro 257 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: Bowl caliber player to a Hall of Famer. When you 258 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: look at what he did, and I'll throw a couple 259 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: of numbers your way. Woods And finished his career with 260 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: sixty five interceptions. Thirty eight of those sixty five came 261 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: in seven years in Green Bay. And he scored fourteen 262 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: defensive touchdowns in his career, ten of those fourteen as 263 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: a member of the Packers. Those ten defensive touchdowns nine 264 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: interception returns. Both of those are green Bay Packers defensive 265 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: franchise records. So what he did, what he did in 266 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: seven years in Green Bay, it it's it's in the 267 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: history books. It's not going anywhere west and uh this 268 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: will be uh yet. I mean, the Packers have had 269 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: a pretty good run. I believe he'll be the sixth 270 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,839 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer that the Packers lay claimed to over 271 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: the last you know, about eight years, at eight or 272 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: nine years um and uh um, Yeah, Charles Woodson certainly 273 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: deserving of that gold jacket. It's funny because everybody always 274 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: people like to put the MLB like metric on all 275 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: this stuff. Like and even my father, God bless him, 276 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: said to me when I when I stopped over at 277 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: their house a couple of nights ago, mentioned, uh, you know, hey, 278 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: is he gonna go in as a as a packer 279 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: or a raider? This is how you know how great 280 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: Charles Woodson is. It isn't about claiming Charles Woodson. It's 281 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: the fact that he had incredible careers in both places. 282 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: As you says, I think you could actually you could 283 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: take his seven years in Green Bay, maybe tack on 284 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: an extra two or something on either side of that 285 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: was a Hall of Fame career in itself, what he 286 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: did in Green Bay and for him to then make 287 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: the transition to safety his last season the National Football League, 288 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: I think he was second team All Pro at safety. 289 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: Um he went in uh, you know when you go 290 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: him back to think about the all the juice behind 291 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,119 Speaker 1: him when he came into the league, the Heisman everything. 292 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he had these incredible expectations and that's not 293 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: always easy to live up to for any player, let 294 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: alone a defensive back, because there are certain things that 295 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: have to happen in order for you to make plays. 296 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: And and what I loved about Charles woodson story is 297 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: you talk about Ted Thompson and in the building of 298 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: a football team and a championship Super Bowl forty five 299 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: team in in two thousand, you know, six to two 300 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: thousand and ten. In that window, Woodson was the reluctant 301 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: hero in that he was the guy that necessarily didn't 302 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: want to come to Green Bay at first, maybe even 303 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: waited a little extra longer on the free agent market 304 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: to see if something else would come along. It didn't, 305 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: and he had to work through some rough spots early 306 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: in his career. You've heard some of the stories about 307 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: practices and things like that, but man, when he it's 308 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: like it's almost like the like the the teenager analogy, right, 309 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: Like they get kind of rambunctious, and then they settle in, 310 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: they learned from their mistakes, and they become a galvanizing force. Uh. 311 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: He became that on this football team. And when you 312 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: think back to that Super Bowl championship, him being able 313 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: to win Defensive Player of the Year in two thousand nine, 314 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: what a remarkable run he was on in p Bowl. 315 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: Just were magnetized to him, to his energy, to his leadership. 316 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: I will never forget I was not on the I 317 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: was all I only covered him seven games, really when 318 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: the seven games before he got injured in two thousand twelve. 319 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: But the thing that always will stand out to me 320 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: is that Charles Woodson being able to go into a 321 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: locker room after those games. He only talked usually once 322 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: a week, and he'd always have a custom made suit 323 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: for every single home game, probably road game too. I 324 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: didn't cover those. He would be at his locker, everything 325 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: would be cleared out basically a lot of times by 326 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: the time he finally turned around to address the media, 327 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: and he just sit there and he would talk, and 328 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: he would talk whatever the topic of discussion was. He'd 329 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: be there until basically media was done with him, and 330 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: then he'd go about his way and in all these 331 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: years I've covered the National Football League, doesn't matter if 332 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm in the Packers locker room an opposing team locker room. 333 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: I to this day, I've never seen anyone like Charles Woodson. 334 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: He just he was a brand into himself. He was 335 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: there was just a weird type of kinetic energy that 336 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: you just just felt every time you were in his 337 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: his presence and and now obviously getting the highest honorable Yeah, 338 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: that's that's what it was for me. And I covered 339 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: his entire career in Green Bay. His arrival in Green 340 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: Bay was actually the same year, two thousand six that 341 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: I got hired for this job at Packers dot Com. 342 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: So I covered his entire time in Green Bay, and uh, 343 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: and he just, Yeah, the best way I can put 344 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: it is he he had a presence about him that 345 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: was just that was just different. That was, as you say, magnetizing. 346 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: And we hear that with a lot of players around 347 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: the league, not just a guy like Aaron Rodgers, who 348 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: certainly has a presence too. We heard about that and 349 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: felt it with Julius Peppers and Marcedes Lewis, who's been 350 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: in the locker room now for the last couple of years, 351 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: but even Charles Woodson. There there was there was a 352 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: presence of a presence about him that was just different 353 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: from anybody any other NFL player that that I've been around. 354 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: And here's here's another thing again, statistic to put things 355 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: in perspective. Your good friend west Leroy Butler, who let 356 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: the cat out of the bag apparently a week or 357 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: two ago on Twitter that as a as a finalist 358 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: for the Hall of Fame, he did not get selected 359 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: this year, um and will certainly be UM rooting for 360 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: him in the coming years to to finally get over 361 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: this hump, so to speak, because you and I both 362 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: believe Lroy Butler deserves to be in Cannon as a 363 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Leroy Butler played twelve years with the 364 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers and intercepted thirty eight passes. Charles Woodson 365 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: played seven years with the Green Bay Packers and intercepted 366 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: thirty eight passes. They are tied for fourth. These are 367 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: regular season statistics. They are tied for fourth on the 368 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: Packers all time list for interceptions and uh and Woodson 369 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: played five fewer seasons in Green Bay than Butler did. 370 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean what what Charles Woodson did, It wasn't you 371 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: can't even say it was just like a rebirth of 372 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: his career. It's like what you said, it was almost 373 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: his time in green Bay was almost a Hall of 374 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Fame career in and of itself. And um, I I 375 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: don't know what the summer holds as far as how 376 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: the induction is going to take place. I've been to 377 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: Canton for the inductions of Brett Farven Jerry Kramer. I 378 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: would love to go there for Charles Woodson Woodson's as 379 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: well and reconnect with him and get to talk with 380 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: him and provide some stuff on packers dot Com. I 381 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: don't know what next summer holds. We'll just have to 382 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: We'll just have to wait and see. But uh um, 383 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: but whenever that time comes to get to chat with him, 384 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: I will definitely look forward to it. One other thing, 385 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up about. You know how 386 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: he sort of reinvented himself in Green Bay. It's something 387 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: that has become more prevalent now in the NFL. You 388 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: see these defensive backs, these boundary cornerbacks, making switches the 389 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: safety or the nickel. That's what was beautiful about Charles 390 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: Woodson is that he was an exceptional shutdown cornerback for 391 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: so much of his career, but then he ends up 392 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: going into the slot. He ends up making finally the 393 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: transition to the back end. I remember that was a 394 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: huge Remember how big that story was in two thousand twelve, 395 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, is Charles Woodson gonna play safety? 396 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: And he just made plays no matter where he was 397 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: and he adapted his style. I still do this day. 398 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: I know Rex Ryan did not like the fact that 399 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: that Woodson got Defensive Player of the Year over Durrell 400 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: Reevas in two thousand nine, But man, that season that 401 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: Woodson had was so special. And when when at the 402 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: time you realize, oh, you guy gets seven eight interceptions, 403 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. But then when you cover the 404 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: league for as long as I have now almost a 405 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: decade of covering the league, and obviously you you even longer, 406 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: you start to realize when you get moments like that 407 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: on the front end of your journalism career, you realize 408 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: how rare they are. When that stuff doesn't happen anymore afterwards, 409 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: you get I think, what was it. Darnell Savage had 410 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: four picks this year, and I thought that was a 411 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: really good year for him. Some guys just can go 412 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: find the football and make a play on the football. 413 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: And as you said, ten return for a touchdown, he's 414 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: he was a Hall of Famer. He was. And when 415 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: you talk about the aura that he had in locker room, 416 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: that was a part of the aura. When you were 417 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: talking to Charles Woodson, you understood that this guy is 418 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 1: going to Canton. This guy is going to is one 419 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: of the very best to ever play his position. And 420 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: as I said, from the get go, the expectations he 421 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: had never shied away from him. And those type of 422 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: individuals are just built differently. They just have something in 423 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: them that is different than most human beings. Yeah, no 424 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: question about it. Well, one last thing before we go here, West, 425 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: just get your thoughts quickly on Super Bowl fifty five 426 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Any 427 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: thoughts on how you see this one shaking out? So 428 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: I like to go all in on these things, right everyone, 429 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: that's a big topic right now and in boxes all in. Um, 430 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't like to parse my words. I think Kansas 431 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: City wins this handily. If they don't. Fortunately, you and 432 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: I aren't shooting any of these for a while. So well, 433 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: I won't even have to answer for it, but I'll 434 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: be honest with you, Mike. I don't want to say 435 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm getting like Denver Seattle vibes from this game, but 436 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: I I'm wondering. I don't know how competitive it's going 437 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: to be. We're gonna see. I just feel like Kansas 438 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: City has found something again, and I think Patrick Mahomes 439 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: has played in that environment. I saw some of these 440 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: sentiments about well, Mahomes has played Brady and he's lost 441 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: to Brady a lot, and I'm like, okay, but I mean, 442 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: like like Holmes is, Mahomes is the one. He's on 443 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: the throne right now, right like Brady is in here 444 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: with a new team. I just feel like the Kansas 445 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: City brought back a lot of guys from that ball 446 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: club last year. They've been there, they know what it's like. Technically, 447 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: it's kind of a road game for them that they'll 448 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: be traveling over the weekend. But all things considered, I 449 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: just I expect Kansas City to win this thing by 450 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: two touchdowns. I'm with you. I think I think Kansas 451 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: City is the better team, and I do think Kansas 452 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: City is going to have an opportunity to win this 453 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: game handily. The one thing. The two things I will say, 454 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: one is that Kansas City is going to be without 455 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: a starting offensive tackle and Eric Fisher, and we saw 456 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: obviously the Packers the the absence of David back Are 457 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: finally did catch up with the Packers there in the 458 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 1: NFC Championship game. That defensive front of the Tampa Bay 459 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: Buccaneers is no joke, um. But Patrick Mahomes as far 460 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: as the scrambling around, improvising, doing things on the run, whatever, 461 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: he's as good as there is, as good as anybody 462 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,719 Speaker 1: in the game right now. So I don't know if 463 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: that has as big an impact. The other thing I 464 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: will say, not to state the obvious, but it's the 465 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: turnover thing, wes I. As I had said leading up 466 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: to a NFC Championship game, the Buccaneers don't beat the 467 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: Saints if the Saints don't turn the ball over. And 468 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: even in the NFC title game, I know the Packers 469 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: ultimately won the turnover battle three to two, but when 470 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: the turnover started two to zero, and it was fourteen 471 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: to zero in points off turnovers at that stage, that 472 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: was too big of a hole for the Packers to 473 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: climb out. Of and I don't think if if the 474 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: Packers don't turn the ball over, I don't think they 475 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: lose the NFC title game. So I'm gonna say the 476 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: same thing if if Patrick Mahomes, if the Kansas City Chiefs, 477 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: if that offense doesn't turn the football over, I think 478 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to put up plenty of points 479 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: to to to win this game by multiple scores. That's 480 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: just that, That's just how I see it. Yeah, I 481 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: agree with And that is one thing I'm glad you 482 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: mentioned that because when I was if you go back 483 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: to all of our stuff the week before the Buccaneers game, 484 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: I wasn't at least the best of my knowledge. I 485 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: don't think I was saying, hey, they got to win 486 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 1: the turnover differential. No, the Packers needed to not turn 487 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: over the football. That's what I was saying to I 488 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: would have taken zero zero in the NFC Championship game, 489 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 1: just like the Rams game. Right, if the turnovers are 490 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: zero zero, I think the Packers would have had the edge. 491 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: And uh and one screen Bay started to turn the 492 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: ball over, it just everything with the game got thrown 493 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: out of whack and and it didn't becoming the type 494 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: of game the Packers wanted to play. Yeah, and and 495 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: now again Mahomes did have some turnovers in December. We'll 496 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 1: have to see if if you know, the Bucks can 497 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: be opportunistic here. But I just I just think Tampa 498 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: Bay needs to play a perfect game and I think 499 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City can win it even if they don't. So 500 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great battle though, because again, much 501 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: like I was building up with the NFC title game, 502 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: there is an interes inesting storyline here. Either you're gonna 503 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: have Kansas City beginning the you know, the beginnings of 504 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: a dynasty. Being able to go back to back would 505 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: be a huge accomplishment, very difficult to do in the 506 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: National Football League. Nobody, nobody's done it since Tom Brady 507 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: and back in oh three oh four with New England Patriots. 508 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: It hasn't happened in this league for a long time. 509 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: And and on the other side of it, you have 510 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: Tom Brady trying to win a Super Bowl at age 511 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: forty three with a new football team after twenty one 512 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: seasons with with New England. So that that way it 513 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: will be really interesting. And hey, Mike, I know your 514 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: big weekend fan. You get a weekend performance out of 515 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: this too, So congratulations. All right, thanks very much. Well, 516 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: with that, we are going to sign off on this 517 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: edition of Packers Unscripted and has, as West suggested a 518 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: moment ago, we're going to go on a little bit 519 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: of an indefinite hiatus here with PTO season. Yeah, we 520 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: both need to get some vacation time in. We're both 521 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: going to be in and out of the office, so 522 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna shut it down for a while. We will 523 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: be back, trust me. Um, I'm just not gonna say 524 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: exactly when. It's a surprise. Yeah, So stay tuned to 525 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 1: Packers dot com and and all of your all your 526 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: podcast notifications for when we do come back. But whenever 527 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: that is, we will see you then. For Wes, I 528 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: am Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody, take care.