1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Ronan four flexes are kind of a weird geple, aren't 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: they that you look at them, they look like a 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: coffin with four wheels. So that's square body things us 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: the car doctor. I don't mind getting an oil change 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: every six to my sitis one. There's somebody tummy. I 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: was got to give that. No, I don't think you're 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: at all. I think you're smart. Welcome to the radio 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: This is where car owners the world overturn to for 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call 12 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: in the garage to orders are open. But I am 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: here to take your call at eight five five five six, 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: nine hundred and now he running. There are I don't know, 15 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: chinks in the armor. We're seeing cracks in the boilerplate 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: of technology in certain vehicles and certain applications, and one 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: of them, you know, it's it's it's in the diagnostics. 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Diagnostics is a problem, right. Diagnostics is a big deal. 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: You know, we diagnose everything today. We diagnose everything from 20 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: leaky tires right out up until you know my engine 21 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: makes random intermittent power at odd times, and then sometimes 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: it's great. Right up into higher technology where my electric 23 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: vehicle was in an accident and you know, I'm getting 24 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: strange smells or I'm just worried is it fixed? Right? So, 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: diagnostics occurs at all sorts of levels in today's cars, 26 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: and it's only going to increase. I mean right there. 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: You know, as we increase the technology, the diameter of 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: what we need to know and how we're going to 29 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: fix it increases with it as well. Well, we've reached 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: out to he's a regular here on the Car Doctor now. Um, 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna call it to Ron and Chuck Show pretty 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: soon because we're always glad to have him. Chuck kincaide 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: of Redline Redline Detection, Redline Detection dot Com. So let's 34 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: just get Chuck up on air and get to talking 35 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: to him. Chuck, Welcome back, sir. It's great to have 36 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: you again. He Ron, How you doing all right? Man? 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm rolling along. Um, you know we're gonna have to 38 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: limit our conversation today because you and I could talk 39 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours, and there's just so 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: much stuff we want to get out. Um. I want 41 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about you know diagnostics. Well, 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna do evs down around the bottom of the hour. 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: We're gonna be with him for the whole hour. Yet 44 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: I haven't told you, So skip your dinner plans. Um, 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Tom will send out for pizza. He'll send you one 46 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: and he's buying, so no worries. Um, I want to 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: talk about, you know diagnostics. Is there a reason you know, 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: the customer comes in with a complaint? Um, it could 49 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: be anything. Let's not make it too obvious. Well, we'll 50 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: make it obvious, but not obvious. It's a it's a 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: P zero one seven one lean fault code. Um, you know, 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: tell me why do I want to hook up a 53 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: smoke machine? Do I want to hook up a smoke machine? 54 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: Do I want to do a pressure check? How do 55 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: I want to approach diagnosing what is becoming one of 56 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: the top five trouble codes in the country today? P 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: zero one seven one go yeah? So um yeah? For 58 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 1: on what link conditions can happen due to leaks and 59 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: into the system? Right, so, um, so that's why you 60 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: want to check that and so with you know, with 61 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: the gas prices and doing that type of thing. You 62 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you know for your customers especially, 63 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: and if you've got a code, of course you want 64 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: to clear that for your customers anyway. But the you know, 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: the biggest implication of that could be you know, um, 66 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: you know a lean condition in which you know the 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: computer is going to add more fuel right to compensate 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: for that and so um, so yeah, you know, hooking 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: up now, I think as you I think we talked 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: about before. You know, there's there's different types of units 71 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: out there, including dual pressure units that can help diagnose 72 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: different parts of the system. So if you're into a 73 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: code with the evaporative emission system, then you would use 74 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: an evapp pressure machine and those are um have a 75 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: regulator that regulates a two half a psi. And then 76 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: in some other units like headline, does you know we 77 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: have dual units which allows you to go up to 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: fifteen even twenty psi depending on the situation, So you 79 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: can diagnose other kinds of problems, especially for boosted intake 80 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: vehicles like turbos, or check the exhaust or the crank 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: case or there's a number of different things that you 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: can check on these systems, including you know, the cooling systems, intercoolers, 83 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, c acs, gasket fields, vacuum kinds of different things, right, 84 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: But it's not you know, And what I always think 85 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: about and what I don't hear a lot of people 86 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: talking about. I hear you talking about it because you're 87 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: the sharp cat in the room. Is not all smoke 88 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: machines are made the same. And just because you smoked it, 89 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: you know, I use the smoke machine. Yet what pressure 90 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: did it run at? Right? And and that's the that 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: becomes the point because to use an EVAPP smoke machine 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: to diagnose a leaking intake gasket, you may not get it. 93 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: You may need more pressure than an ev AP smoke 94 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: machine is designed to put out. Correct. Yeah, that's correct. 95 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: So you know the reason for the higher pressure and 96 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: and maybe even more so the higher flow um you know, 97 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: in something like a high pressure smoke machine allows you 98 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: to stimulate you know, intake pressures, right, so you can 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: simulate operating conditions on the vehicle so that you can 100 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: find those leaks. Because to be honest, you know, some 101 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: leaks are easy to find. Can you find them with 102 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: an EVAP unit? Of course? Right, you know there's some 103 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: some unit, some leaks that you can find that way. 104 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: In other leaks, it's a little more difficult, right, So 105 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: they don't kind of they don't present themselves unless you 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: get to a certain pressure, right, So you need a 107 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: little bit more pressure to find those leaks. Although typically, 108 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, we would usually start if we're doing say 109 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: an intake on a boosted intake, maybe five psi to start, 110 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: and you can find eighty percent of leaks using five psi. 111 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: Ten psi would be like the next level up and 112 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,799 Speaker 1: you could find, you know, ninety five percent of leaks. 113 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Very few leaks you would need like a twenty psi 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: unit or something like that for But it's nice to 115 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: know it's time. It's nice to know you have it 116 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: if you need it. You know, I go back to, 117 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, I always think about the O five Toyota Corollas. 118 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: The O five Corollas and their little four cylinder engine 119 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: drove everybody nuts because they would set a P zero 120 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: one seven one and it was air fuel sensors and 121 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: mass airflow sensors and intake ducks and nobody could find 122 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: the leak. And when the industry got smart, they started 123 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: looking at freeze frame and they would see that the 124 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: fault code occurred around one hundred and fifty two degrees, 125 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: and they realized it was during the warm up cycle, 126 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: and that's when they would start to you know, smoke it, 127 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, sort of. They'd warm it up, get it 128 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: to a temperature, shut it off, and then they would 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: find the leak, or they would use a higher pressure machine, 130 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: such as something from a redline detection, and all of 131 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: a sudden, now we've got a little more pressure in 132 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: the system, and we find that the gasket or the 133 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: O ring or whatever seal we're up against fails at 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: a specific temperature. And and that's the point that we 135 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: got to make here, Right, we have to stress to 136 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: the diagnosticians out there that it's not just smoking it. 137 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: I smoked it, there was no problem, and moved on 138 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: to the next thing. Did you smoke it properly? Because 139 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: there's there's there's all different levels of smoke technology. And 140 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: that's that's what I want to stress to everybody. Um, 141 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, and now the technology gives you, yeah, it 142 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: gives you some flexibility. Right, So if an exhaust might 143 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: be a good example, right, so you know, you can 144 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: hook a smoke machine up to an exhaust that's still 145 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, relatively hot right now. Typically, you know, if 146 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: you're doing a plow test and you're looking for a 147 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: leak and exhaust, you maybe using like a snoop solution 148 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: or like spraying it with soapy water thing. You know, 149 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: Try doing that on a hot aghost and final leak. 150 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's impossible. So right, there are situations where 151 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: you need you know, you need the temperature you need 152 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: to operate the machine, you know, in a simulated operating 153 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: condition environment to find what you're looking for. And you 154 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: make a great point, Chuck, you know, I've done it 155 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: myself with smoke. We should bring it up. You're looking 156 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: for a water leak or a door that doesn't seal properly, 157 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: and you'll put the smoke machine in the vehicle and 158 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: right you can just kind of go around the door 159 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: gas get and look to see where it doesn't have 160 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: to be just for an engine, right, smoke technology just 161 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: doesn't find engine fault, correct. Yeah, you know one of 162 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: the complaint I had to say complaints, but one of 163 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: the things I wish we had more of it or 164 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: just like, you know, specific applications, And the problem is 165 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: is that there's so many applications and you know, it's 166 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: all over different vehicles. There's different applications that you know, 167 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: it's tough to put together a comprehensive list of all 168 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: the things you do. But but yeah, you make a 169 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: great point. So you know, I was, I was at 170 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: an Ada, was talking to a dealer and you know, 171 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: we were asking them about water intrusion into the cabin. 172 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: They say, well, to find that, we just run the 173 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: car through the car wash five or six times and 174 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: then you know we look for where it's leaking inside 175 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: of the cabin. So you know, there's a better way 176 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: to do that, right, Oh yeah, you know, yeah, so 177 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: we sell the winds where you can just you know, 178 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: you can look for the smoke disturbance while you you know, 179 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: you turn on your air inside the cabin, create positive 180 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: pressure and then you look for the disturbance coming out 181 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: of the cats. There's it gives you. You know, these 182 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: kind of technologies can give you more effective, faster ways, 183 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: easier ways you make life easier. I remember and repair 184 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: things faster. I remember years ago. And I'll tell you 185 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: this real quick and then we'll go to break is. 186 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: I had an early three series BMW with a lean 187 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: full went round and round and round this is easily 188 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, and went round and round a round, 189 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: couldn't find anything wrong with this car. Smoke that looked 190 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: at at seventy two different ways to Sunday. And then 191 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: one day I was working on it because it took 192 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: a couple of days, and I caught a wisp of 193 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: smoke coming out of the intake air temp sensor. I 194 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: unplugged the intake air temp sensor and the smoke is 195 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: pouring out. So the censor itself was porous, but the 196 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: weather pack seal kept it from really leaking all the 197 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: smoke out to actually find the leak, and it wouldn't 198 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: pick up on propane, it wouldn't pick up on fuel enrichment, 199 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: it wouldn't pick up So you know, the limits of 200 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: smoke technology are only limited by your own mind. You 201 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: can just how do you want to apply it and 202 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: what do you want to make it do? And it's 203 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just unbelievable what it can find. Um 204 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, in new applications every day, every day, every day, Chuck, 205 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: sit tight. I'm running any of the car doctor here 206 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: with Chuck in Kata Redline Detections dot Com. We're both 207 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: talking about diagnostics and smoke. So we'll be back right 208 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away for the best in car advice, 209 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: give Ron a call eight five five five six zero 210 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. Now back to Ron, Hey, welcome back, 211 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: Runnee of the Car Doctor. Were here with Chuck in 212 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: Kata Redline Detection dot Com. Chuck, you know we're talking 213 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: about smoke and diagnostics and some of the different things 214 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: we can do with the smoke machine. I want to 215 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: talk about turbo chargers. You know, turbocharging is so common 216 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: today in today's vehicles, and a regular EBAP smoke machine 217 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: won't cut the mustard right on the intake boost side 218 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: because it's going to build a whole lot more pressure 219 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: than what's an EVAP machine make half a psi if 220 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: that correct? Yeah, half a pfi right, so regulated right, 221 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: so it won't it won't really find it. But then 222 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: you come along with um a smoke machine that will 223 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: build boost Do you have to regulate you know the 224 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: amount of pressure? Or is there is there a rule 225 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: of thumb if it if it's on the turbo side, 226 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: if you're on the boost side, you can go up 227 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: to xpsi? Or is there a guideline for someone to 228 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: follow when they're when they're using a machine like that. Yeah, 229 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: so the you know, we usually don't recommend anything higher 230 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: than ten. There are some service procedures that go up 231 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: as high as fifteen, but it's really common to see 232 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: five psi. So um, so you know, we as a 233 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: general practice we start with the five psi and if 234 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 1: you can't find your leak, move to ten psi and 235 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: usually that'll that'll do it. But you know, you definitely 236 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: want to, uh, you know, check your service procedures, make 237 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: sure that you follow them, and we always say that, right. 238 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: I was just doing some demonstrations more on the EV 239 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: side this week, and uh, you know, we really emphasize 240 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: that also for the collision industry, for example, right to 241 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: follow the service procedures and also recheck them because they 242 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: can change, so you know, something else to keep in mind. 243 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: But but generally yes, so you know, you would start 244 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: with five to move yourself to ten. And then there 245 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: are common locations where you would you know, check for leaks. 246 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: But you know, to be honest that you know, most 247 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: of the leaks are not major components. Sometimes they are, 248 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: but you know, in the majority of the cases, uh, 249 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, if you've got a low boost code or 250 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: something like that. Likely it's a clamp um And we've 251 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: even seen where you know, the clamp is tight, but 252 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: it was put on backwards, right, you know, and so 253 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: you take the clamp apart, you know, turn it around, 254 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: put it back together, all of a sudden the week's gone. 255 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,199 Speaker 1: And so you know, those kind of problems are hard 256 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: to diagnose unless you have a proper diagnostic equipment. And 257 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: so that's some of the advantages and um, and then 258 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, you know, there's also unique applications. So I 259 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: mentioned DV so you know, evapp machines are also used 260 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: in some cases to do enclosure tests for easy evs. 261 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: And on the high pressure side, you know, diesel applications 262 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: are really big right now. Actually, so the Technology and 263 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Maintenance Council for the American Trucking Association published an RP 264 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: or a Recommended practice basically for the industry that you know, 265 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: features some of our high pressure equipment to check the 266 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: after treatment system for leaks and problems with the DPF 267 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: SCR sensors. You know, that's that type of thing. So 268 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: a lot of unique applications for this, like like we 269 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: talked about it, it seems like there's more, more and 270 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: more every day. Can I use a pressure I'm going 271 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: to call it a pressure smoke machine. When I say 272 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: pressure for everyone's benefit, I'm thinking something higher than half 273 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: a psid? Can I use a pressure smoke machine to 274 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: diagnose a cooling system that's got a leak if I 275 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: rain the coolt out of it? Obviously? Yeah, absolutely, a 276 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: matter of fact, there's more than just checking for leaks 277 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: as an advantage. So you know, one thing that you 278 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: can do, um, you know, I actually adjust did this 279 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: on I think it was a Ford Bronco actually just 280 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: recently is um. You know, when you do a drain 281 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: and fill, right, you're going to change out the cooling 282 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: or you need to. You have a leak in your coin, 283 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: you need to diagnose where that leak might be coming 284 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: thrown to the cool and slow. You know, you can 285 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: do a gravity dream, but gravity dreams take a long 286 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: period of time, and so you can connect to the 287 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: bottle with air only, so there's you know, these machines 288 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: have an air only function and a smoke function, so 289 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: you can do it, you know, without smoke if you want, 290 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: and just get that airflow and pressure and with that 291 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: you can you know you can turn that on and 292 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 1: really purge the cooling system, really get all the coins 293 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: out of the system. And then from there, you know, 294 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: you can also you know, pressurize the system and look 295 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: for a leak downs. So yeah, it's it's really a 296 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: flexible tool that comes to I don't know the answer 297 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: to this one. I didn't clear it. I didn't clear 298 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: it with you before we talk today, So I might 299 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: be putting you in a corner. I'm just letting you know, 300 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: But can you can you can you put smoke? It 301 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: just occurred to me. Can you put smoke or pressure 302 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: into an AC system and find a leak? Impractical? Yeah, 303 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I actually, um, you know, I 304 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of explored that myself. So you know, I have 305 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: some contacts into what used to be called the Mobile 306 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: Air Conditioning Society, the MAX Association. I mean, they're built 307 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: by a different name in these days, and you know, 308 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: trying to you know, we reached out to you know, 309 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: other industry experts for HVAC and things like this, and 310 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: I didn't get a great answer back. You know, I think, um, 311 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of an open question right now, 312 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: and I really don't have a good clean answer for that. Um. 313 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: You know, when you use smoke, um, you know, we 314 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: use mineral oil. A matter of fact, that's that's what's used. 315 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: It's vaporized mineral It's actually not smoke, it's it's visual 316 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: vapor is really the proper terminology because it's it's a 317 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: it's a vaporized mineral oil, which makes it, you know, 318 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: non toxic for you to you know, if you get 319 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: some smoke and breathe in it, um and uh, you know, 320 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: it does leave a layer, like a microscopic film of 321 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: mineral oil on the inside of a system or it 322 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: would now would that microscopic film when it mixes with 323 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: the poe and it flushes the system. Is that really 324 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: going to cause any kind of problems? Maybe, but it's 325 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: likely not too um. Maybe the better question might be, 326 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: you know, can you actually see um, you know, smoke 327 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: coming out of an orifice at that size, right, because 328 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the AC leaks are really microscopic, that 329 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: very small UM, so you know, probably a better application 330 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: um for you know, just using an AC sniffer or 331 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, some sort of really small molecule size something 332 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: like our nano leak technology that you know that could 333 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: apply there um, But for for as far as visual 334 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: vapor um, you know, it's not a common practice. Maybe 335 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,719 Speaker 1: maybe that's the next thing you and I are going 336 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: to work on. We'll develop it. You know what I'm 337 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: because what I'm thinking about is, well, I'm thinking about 338 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: the ac problem that you can't find the leak. So 339 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: is it would it be practical to disconnect and isolate 340 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: the evaporator by itself and then build pressure, pump smoke 341 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: into the evaporator and if you see smoke coming out 342 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: under the dashboard, guess what you found? Your leak? That 343 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: you that you know, the the evap leak, the evaporator leak. 344 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: I should call it that, so we don't confuse people. 345 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: But the evaporator leak is probably the harder one to find. 346 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: And I've always said to myself, you know, could I 347 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: use smoke? If I see smoke coming under the dash 348 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: guess what I'm going in the right direction. So but 349 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: all right, well, let's let's off. We can talk about that. Chuck. 350 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: I'm available, Um, I don't eat much. Uh, let's pull over, 351 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: let's take a pause. When we come back. Now we're 352 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about ev is. I got some great 353 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: questions for you. I got some ways maybe we can 354 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: simplify it and you can tell me I'm crazy. So 355 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm run an Adie in the card Doctor. I'm here 356 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: with Chuck kin Kata Redline Detection dot Com. We're both 357 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: back right after this. Don't go away, Welcome back. We're 358 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: on an Adi in the car Doctor and Chuck Kinkata 359 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: Redline Detection Chuck Um. You know you and I have 360 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: talked about this up on hair. You and I have 361 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: had private conversation about it. D batteries. This is a 362 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: big deal, right, I'm going back to a I mean, 363 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 1: over the course of last year, we heard so many stories. 364 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: I've got one in front of me. A Tesla Monolesque 365 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: caught fire in California last week while sitting in a 366 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: wrecking yard awaiting dismantling, three weeks after it was involved 367 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: in a collision. I think everybody on the Internet and 368 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: Facebook saw that one, right, I mean, they were talking 369 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: about that all over the place, and it came out 370 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: that Tesla has a thirty one page emergency response guide 371 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: just for the Monolisque, and in it they say that 372 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: the vehicle shouldn't be submerged in water to extinguish or 373 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: cool the battery once on fire. However, Sacramento Metropolitan Fire 374 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: District firefighters did just that. Is that wrong? I mean, 375 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: I guess they're just you know, we're the point of practicality, 376 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: is it, We're just trying to put the fire out 377 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: and keep it out. But there's there's a there's a 378 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: there's an issue there, and then you know what does 379 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: that do for the industry, I mean in terms of 380 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: trying to repair that vehicle and be safe. Yeah, it's 381 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: a challenge, you know, and there's differing appearing opinions here, right, 382 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: so you know, you know, firefighter is going to use 383 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: the tools that they have available to them, right. So, 384 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, water is you know that the common way 385 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: that you would put out a fire, but it's difficult 386 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: in an EVY vehicle. You know, the battery is enclosed 387 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: as part of the structure. It's in the bottom of 388 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: the boards, being under the floorboards, right, you know, it's 389 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: it's in the bottom there. So to try to get 390 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: water in there is one challenge Number two. You know, 391 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: these are these are chemical fires. You know, I can't 392 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: remember that there's something like five thousand degree you know, 393 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: chemical fires and when you have a thermal runaway, they 394 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: propagate to other cells in the battery and that's difficult 395 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: to stop. And so you know, it's it's it's almost 396 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: the point where you know you're using water just kind 397 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: of you know, keep the flames at bay. But you 398 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: know that's a lot of times it's not going to 399 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: stop the fire or you're going to use tons and 400 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: tons of water, gallons and gallons of water. If you 401 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: read some of these reports, that's exactly what they do, 402 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: thousands of gallons of waters right to get the fire 403 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: fire out. So in general, water in these batteries don't. 404 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: Next now, now red line, red line detection. You guys 405 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: have got you guys have developed something I believe as 406 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: a first in the industry, right the BCLD, the battery 407 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: and cool link detector UM. Yeah, yeah, what's the what's 408 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: the value there? Why do I want to use that? Yeah? So, 409 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: you know part of this is UM. You know, there's 410 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot of different ways where these vehicles can have problems, 411 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: and you know the for manufacturing issues that cause fires, 412 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: are overcharging, there's all these different things that can happen. 413 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: Of course, another way to you know, cause problems for 414 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: your battery is to get dust or water to ingress 415 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 1: inside of the battery enclosure and so so right exactly right, 416 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: so UM, you can find means and dealers they're they're BCLDUM. 417 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: We did a global uh OEM did a global deployment 418 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: to all dealers last year. We have more in the 419 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: works this year. UM. And you know basically what it 420 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: does is it does it checks the enclosure for leaks 421 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: for batteries, also for inverters and motors. It'll check and 422 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: help you get coolant out of the battery loop. UM 423 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: to check the battery loop to make sure you don't 424 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: have leaks with with the coolant. And you can check 425 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: the entire system as well. And of course the feature 426 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: that's getting the most attention right now is our nano 427 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: leak technology, which is a very small molecule size. It's 428 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: a trace gas that's generated on board of the equipment, 429 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: so you don't need um you know, if you can 430 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: you go to do a let's say a battery lab 431 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: setting right. Uh. You know, when they're checking for leaks, 432 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: sometimes they would be using things like helium for example, 433 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: right to check. Why do they do that? Because you 434 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: know it's very small molecule size. It's easy to find 435 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: very small leaks. Right, small leaks can turn into large 436 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: leaks and different applications there so um. But in this case, 437 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: you know you're you're purchase trying to purchase helium for example, 438 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 1: which is in global global shortage. It's expensive, um. And 439 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: if you can get it, then you need the equipment 440 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: to be able to detect it. That's really expensive. So 441 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, if you know, if you use BCLB and 442 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: in fact, battery engineering labs are using me now to 443 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: look for leaks and pinpoint them, it's a it's a 444 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: really effective way to do it. It's it's a clean 445 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: way to do it. Okay, why don't I want to 446 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: use soap and water? You knew I had to ask 447 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: that question. You just knew I had to bring that up. 448 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: Why can't I just go for soapy bubbles? Right? I 449 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: mean I've read this that that there are people out 450 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: there saying, oh, just put soap and water on the 451 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: battery and make bubbles. But what's wrong with that idea? 452 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, nothing's wrong with it. You know, 453 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: it is a method of looking for leaks. Um. What 454 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: I would say, you know, what are the challenges with that? Well, 455 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: number one, you need a you know, some flow out 456 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: of that leak to be able to see the bubbles. Right. So, 457 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: you know, soap and water is only good for up 458 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 1: to a certain point as far as leak sizes. If 459 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: you if you get too small of the leak, um, 460 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: and I think soap and water is kind of want 461 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: to say, ten of the minus three or ten of 462 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: the minus four, trying to remember exactly what it is, 463 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: but it's you also need line of sight for soapy water, right. 464 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: And of course the last thing is you're spring water 465 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: all over this eight hundred bolts electric battery, right. So um. 466 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's an approved way in some oemsum, but 467 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily the most effective way I've seen, even 468 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: to the fact of you know, at a certain om 469 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: using soapy water, you know, uh, it would the soap 470 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: would dry and then feel the leak. Right. So the 471 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: leaks still there, but it's just it's got to film 472 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: the soap in it. That's kind of sealed it up. 473 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: And so that's how small some of these leaks are. 474 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: And so you end up with, you know, if you've 475 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: got you know, three or four you know, different leak 476 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: points that add up to a large leak, it's going 477 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: to be difficult to find that with soapie water. But 478 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: there are oms that do that today. For it's one 479 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: of them. For example, there's just out a MOKEI demonstrating 480 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: that um from that battery. We actually just use the 481 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: nano leak. That was a lot easier to go check 482 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: that battery for leaks UM and uh, you know, there's 483 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: some other advantages to that. You know, is that another 484 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: rowee where you know, they kind of bugged it and 485 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: they said, okay, now go find the leaks. It took 486 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: us two and a half hours to find them. Of course, 487 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: we found the leaks in ten minutes. And the battery 488 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: had two leak points and one was on the bottom 489 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: of the battery, like the center of the bottom of 490 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: the battery. And this battery was down on the battery table, 491 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: so it was kind of covered. And we signaled along 492 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: the edge and I couldn't tell them exactly where the 493 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: leak was because the batteries on the table, but I 494 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: could tell them it was in the middle of the battery, 495 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, and they their jaws dropped. There's no way. 496 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: So is there are some advantages to using different types 497 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: of methods right. Well, and I guess you want to 498 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: use what's the most accurate is the word I'm looking 499 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: for because and we'll talk about this more when we 500 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: come back. But you know, the concern becomes the vehicle 501 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: has been in an accident. We have to know that 502 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: the battery case is structurally sound, and that's what the 503 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: BCLD does. Chuck, let's talk about it when we come back. 504 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm running eating the car Doctor here with Chukkata redline Detection. 505 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: We'll both return right after this. Don't go away. Welcome back, 506 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Ronnading the Car Doctor. Joined the hour by Chuck in 507 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Kata redline Detection. Chuck, and we pulled away for the pause. 508 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about electrical vehicle batteries and the 509 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: little cracks, and you use the word nano Did I 510 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: hear nanotechnology or nano crack? What is that exactly? Yeah, 511 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: what I was talking about on the battery coolant leak 512 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: detector is a nano leak. We have like an we 513 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: called a nano leak signature air. So it's a it's 514 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: a very small molecule trace gas that we injected to 515 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: enclosures so ev components, and from there you can use 516 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: handheld sniffer that's tuned to that trace gas to be 517 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: able to find your leaks. It's not too far off 518 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: from how you would look for a leak in AC 519 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: system today with a handheld gotcha, it's similar process. Gotcha. 520 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's calibrated for what you're doing on 521 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: the battery. So when when you show this technic, when 522 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: when you show this technology? And let me just jump ahead, 523 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: because where I'm going with this is, you know, I 524 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: see and hear stories and you and I have talked 525 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: about it here and privately that you know the vehicles 526 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: coming into the body shop. Is it true? You know 527 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: some insurance companies don't want to pay for this test, 528 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Some do, some don't. You know where does it stand 529 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: in the industry right now? Because if I had an 530 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: EV vehicle and they gave it back to me and 531 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: that battery wasn't tested, I've got to tell you, I 532 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: don't know how safe I would feel putting myself or 533 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: my family in it. I want to know what's fixed. Right, 534 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? No, You're You're not wrong, And you 535 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: know I think there's a lot of interest right now. 536 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, that we have a little evidence 537 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: of that actually this past week that there's there's growing 538 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: interest from the insurance community and how do you perform 539 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: these tasks? Are they needed? You know, when are they performed? 540 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: When should they be performed? What kind of safety risk 541 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: these are? They're certainly concerned, I mean rightfully so the 542 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: safety risks, and a lot of that's driven by like 543 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: you and I talked about wrong that all the news 544 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: and stuff the last year and this year, um, you know, 545 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: talking about these uh you know, the malfunctions of the 546 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: battery or even catastrophic events that can happen with the battery, right, 547 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: and so checking the enclosure. You know, these OEMs, they 548 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: published specifications for the feeling of the those enclosure and 549 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: especially on the battery. Um, you know you want to 550 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, we our equipment helps facilitate getting that battery 551 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: into uh you know OEM specification. And so it's really 552 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: a preventative method to you know, prevent that dust and 553 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: the water intrusion because you know, it's it's turning into 554 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: IP sixty seven. About that IP sixty seven rating seems 555 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: to be you know where the industry is kind of 556 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: leaning towards. And what that means is it's it's basically 557 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: a rating where you know the six in that it 558 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: means zero dust intrusion, and the seven means that you 559 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: can go underwater with that batteries for up to a 560 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: meter deep for thirty seconds without getting water into the 561 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: into the enclosure. So um, you know, in watering, the 562 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: enclosure also includes water vapor. And that's why you want 563 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: to also get these leaks sealed up, is so you 564 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: don't have the condensation building up over time. And in 565 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: that Tessa that you mentioned, you know, one of the 566 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: things they found was rushed around the battery one of 567 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: the connectors that let water into the battery, and so 568 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: that that's, you know, certainly something you want to make 569 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: sure that you don't get um, you know, dust water, 570 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: that type of thing into the battery because it can 571 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: cover it to my function. You know, I've read some 572 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: reports and I'm gonna I'm gonna read one in paraphrase 573 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: that it said in a in a certified third party 574 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: collision center, you'll find tools with battery lift tables, but 575 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: not many other tools. Some of the oe's don't want 576 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: body shops to have certain tools for certain reasons. So 577 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: if you smash a Model three at forty miles per 578 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: hour and the damage doesn't intrude into the battery and 579 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: the carstal powers on the battery isn't checked by a 580 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: certified third party service center. Instead, they say it's good, 581 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: they'll have OEM diagnostic software, but the licensing prevents access 582 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: to the battery intentionally, so they could send out a 583 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: repaired car in a month with a battery unchecked, many 584 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: of which could be compromised. Is is it just that 585 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: the insurance companies just don't want to pay for the 586 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: test and the OEMs aren't stepping up to the plate 587 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: yet or do you think that's going to change? You know, 588 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: it comes down to um. You know, like we mentioned 589 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: those procedures being in place. You know when those procedures 590 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: are used is really dictated you know by the OEM. 591 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 1: Uh you know so and everybody takes a little bit 592 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: different stand right, So you know, we have OEMs that 593 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: are you know they you know, if you get a 594 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,479 Speaker 1: scratch on the bottom of the battery enclosure, you're testing 595 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: that enclosure to make sure that there's no leak intrusion. 596 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: And you know you have other manufacturers like you mentioned UM. 597 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: You know, if it doesn't intrude into the battery. The 598 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: battery still turns on. You know, it's really not about 599 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: what kind of collision it was in, or what kind 600 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: of acceleration, or if that battery has concussion. We mean, 601 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: you don't know all those things. A lot of times 602 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: those are just repaired and then um, you know sent back. 603 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: Now the battery doesn't turn back on in this case, 604 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: where like a Tesla, then that would be flatbetted to 605 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: a Tesla service center where they would continue with the 606 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: battery work. So you know, it comes down to philosophy. Um, 607 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, some batteries are more reparable than others. Tesla 608 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: batteries are are probably a little more difficult to repair. Um, 609 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: you know, to take the lid off, you're basically you know, 610 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: destroying that lid. There's other batteries like that. In other cases, 611 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: like Forward's battery for example, you know the lid is removable. 612 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: Uh you know the coolant lines for example, or you 613 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: know the connections are all sort of visible, right, there's 614 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: cooling plates under the modules. But even if you look 615 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: at a four battery, you know those modules are held 616 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: in like you know, there's a clip in the front 617 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: and the clip in the back that holds them module 618 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: down inside of the battery pack. But there's not really 619 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: designed to take like a full frontal impact right in 620 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: those accelerations. Man O, man o, man No, it's kind 621 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: of open right now. You know, you know who's going 622 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: to mandate what and insurance is looking at this you 623 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: know thing. You know, well, should this be performed? Right? 624 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: Because it's a safety concern. Of course, we have our 625 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: opinion on that, but right and then and then and 626 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: then it becomes a cost factor. Hold that thought, Chuck, 627 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: stay right where you are. Let's pull over for our 628 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: final pause. Will wrap it up. I'm running Amy in 629 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor here with Chuck and Kat redline Detection. 630 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: We'll both return right after this. Don't go away look 631 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: back Running and the Car Doctor were joined. They're closing 632 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: out this hour with Chuck and Kato redline Detection. Chuck, 633 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: can I put you on the spot real quick, because 634 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: you know I've done that a couple of times this hour? Um? 635 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, where'd you go to college? And I 636 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: got I got a reason I'm asking this. Um, you know, 637 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: I know you've got a degree in business administration and 638 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: so on and so forth, But there's another you went 639 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: to Lawrence. Right, Yes, it's in south Field Mission, Lawrence 640 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: Technological University History engineering degree. And you've got an engineering degree, right, so, 641 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: and and and my point becomes, you know you didn't 642 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: you know this isn't this isn't a conversation with somebody. 643 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: That's just this isn't hearsay. You've got an engineering degree, 644 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: you're in electronics. I mean, this is all cutting edge, 645 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: and this is what we've got to do to put 646 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: EV's in the marketplace and repair them properly. So you know, 647 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: the things you've been talking about this past hour aren't 648 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: just opinion. It's it's it's based on fact. Right, two 649 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: and two has to add up to four in your world, 650 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: because if it doesn't, I'm sure you you know you've 651 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: got consequences. Correct, That's right, it's a it's an engineer's problem. 652 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: You don't try not to make mistakes because that you 653 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: make a mistake of building a hair dryer that could 654 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: blow up in somebody's face and catch on fire. Right, So, right, 655 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: concern you try to do as you can. Yeah, and listen, 656 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: I think some of the innovation I've seen coming out 657 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: of redline detection is just unbelievable and this this BCLD tool. Uh, 658 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's disappointing that although I guess it's good 659 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 1: in a way, and maybe, you know, maybe you and 660 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: I are having an effect because the industry seems to be, 661 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: you know, paying attention now and they're considering paying for 662 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: the testing and doing what they need to do and uh, 663 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: you know, to keep people safe, because if evs are 664 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: going to be here to stay, then we want people 665 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 1: safe in the vehicle, especially after a repair. If the 666 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: listeners want more information, Chuck in our last forty seconds, 667 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: where can they get it? What's the website www dot 668 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: Redline Detection dot com. All one word okay, and I 669 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: know there's videos up there and all kinds of information 670 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: so everybody can gather their redline Detection dot com. Mister 671 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: Kincaid has always sir, it's been a pleasure. We look 672 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: forward to talking to you again. Keep us updated on 673 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: anything new in the in the world of diagnostics, smoke 674 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: ev and anything in between. So give yourself a good 675 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: rest of the weekend and we'll talk again real soon. 676 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,439 Speaker 1: I'll appreciate you. You're very welcome, Chuck. I'm running any 677 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: in the car, doctor looking up saying it's time to 678 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 1: go with a great hour. We enjoyed it. I hope 679 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: you did too. Till the next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive, 680 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you