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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. It's

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Speaker 1: time again for another talk on Inside the Draft. Welcome

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Speaker 1: in everybody. Free agency is still on fire, but the

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Speaker 1: Draft will be here in no time. I'm Matt Taylor

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Speaker 1: with Casey Valier and we're inside the Power Home Solo

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Speaker 1: Radio studio today talking draft with Joe Marino, the senior

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft analyst at the Draftnetwork dot com. He's a

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Speaker 1: great follow on the draft. You can track his work

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at the Joe Marino. Joe, thanks for the

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Speaker 1: time today, sir. How are you. I'm doing well. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me on. Absolutely it's good to have you

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Speaker 1: back talk some draft. But before we do that, let's

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Speaker 1: stay current events. As the Colts traded for Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: to do it. How surprised were you with that move?

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Speaker 1: And then what do you make of Matt Ryan and

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Speaker 1: his prospects here with the Colts. Well, when we found

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Speaker 1: out that the Atlanta Falcons had some interest in some

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Speaker 1: other quarterbacks, I started to become a reality that Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan would be on the move. And as soon as

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Speaker 1: that was a possibility, I think everybody thought about the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts is a great spot for him to go

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Speaker 1: and be at this stage in his career where you know,

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Speaker 1: you're talking about a football team that's had a great

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Speaker 1: offensive line for a number of years now and that

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Speaker 1: should continue a strong running game with Jonathan Taylor, really

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Speaker 1: good coaching staff that has done a phenomenal job of

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Speaker 1: maximizing the talent on the roster and bringing in players

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Speaker 1: from outside the organization that have come in and played

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Speaker 1: at a higher level than we've even seen in their

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Speaker 1: previous destinations. And so I think from a style of

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Speaker 1: offense that the Colts are going to run from a

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Speaker 1: fit in terms of organization and how this team is

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Speaker 1: maximized talent, I think it's a great spot for Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan at this stage in his career. Well, that kind

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Speaker 1: of brings us to the next point. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: always looking for that long term answer, and I think

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Speaker 1: Matt Ryan, he's got two years left on this deal,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, the Colts kind of want

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Speaker 1: to see how that plays out. When you look at

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Speaker 1: that from you know, looking at the prospects, especially in

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Speaker 1: this draft, I know They've talked about how the quarterback

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Speaker 1: does that give the Colts, for your assessment, a little

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Speaker 1: better window to find that next guy? Well, I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think it takes the urgency off for Indianapolis to

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Speaker 1: find that guy that is going to be the young

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Speaker 1: for a number of years to come. When you have

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Speaker 1: a guy like Matt Ryan, who I think can stabilize

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Speaker 1: the ship for a few years, and he certainly indicated

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Speaker 1: that he wants to play the game for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and so this definitely extends that runway. And I think

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Speaker 1: at the same time, there's probably some urgency for Chris

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Speaker 1: to grow with and build around, as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 1: how many different years in a row has it been

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Speaker 1: since there's you know, there's been a different primary starting

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Speaker 1: that player. But the runway is certainly extended when you

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Speaker 1: have Matt Ryan in the fright, who I think can

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Speaker 1: still play in a high level for a few more seasons. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That number, by the way, Joe, is five, So it's

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy here officially five. With that, the Colts could

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Speaker 1: this offseason to go along with Matt Ryan, who's now

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. As we just discussed. But at this point

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Speaker 1: in free agency, Joe, what's a better play is it

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Speaker 1: either at two or a three on a wide receiver

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Speaker 1: coming up in late April. Well, I mean, the Colts

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Speaker 1: for receivers have drying up. Obviously. I think there's some

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Speaker 1: natural conversations that you would have about Julio Jones and

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Speaker 1: comes to finding meaningful receiving talent on Day two. Well,

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Speaker 1: my number one receiver in this draft is Jamison Williams

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Speaker 1: there's a drop off from Jamison Williams to those players.

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Speaker 1: nice complimentary option for your offense. Joe. We also found

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Speaker 1: Matt Pryor. They brought him back in free agency. They

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Speaker 1: Matt wall let's go from North Dakota. I think he's

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's some good options on Day two especially.

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Speaker 1: Three names come to mind. Terriq Wohlan from Utsa, who's

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Speaker 1: you can really see the development one of the best

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Speaker 1: You know that that's a big priority for the Colts

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Speaker 1: on their defense. Corners that will tackle it. You certainly

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Speaker 1: you know, Cam Taylor Britt would be a good option.

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Speaker 1: which quarterbacks are starting to sneak up the board? We've

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Speaker 1: inevitably those guys get pushed up. So who are those

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Speaker 1: up higher than we initially anticipated. Well, I think Malik Willis,

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Speaker 1: Detroit Lions at number two. You know, and we kind

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Speaker 1: an incredible resume. His resume in terms of what he accomplished,

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati is unmatched in this draft class. And then you

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Speaker 1: know Kenny Pickett. Once you get past the hands as

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Speaker 1: you realize that this kind of had an exceptional twenty

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Speaker 1: He can run, he's accurate, and he's one of those

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Speaker 1: guys that's really common under pressure. So when I think

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Speaker 1: a pretty devastating injury to David Ojabo. What do you

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Speaker 1: it's always been challenging with the Jabo is that he's

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Speaker 1: and explosiveness and some interesting hand moves and some really

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Speaker 1: that's Joe Marino, senior NFL draft analysts at the Draftnetwork

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Speaker 1: dot com. Joe, what are you writing about now on

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Speaker 1: the Draft Network and where can you can you remind

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Speaker 1: us where we can find your work throughout the rest

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Speaker 1: of the draft process. Yeah, I appreciate everything is over

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Speaker 1: at the Draftnetwork dot com. I tweet all my content

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Speaker 1: Absolutely again on Twitter at the Joe Marino great stuff

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Speaker 1: as always, Joe, really appreciate the time. Keep up the

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Speaker 1: great work the rest of the draft season, and again

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Speaker 1: we'll be sure to follow along on the draftnetwork dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again, my pleasure, Thanks for having me