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Speaker 1: Celebrity.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, madam. Can I show you a selection of

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Speaker 2: our finest jewelry.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. My husband is insisting on treating me for my

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Speaker 1: upcoming birthday. He wants to get me a ring or

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Speaker 1: maybe a diamond bracelet.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, your husband has wonderful taste. I can see

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Speaker 2: you're quite an elegant, charming young woman. Of course you

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Speaker 2: must be turning twenty seven.

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Speaker 1: Please, I wish hike up a little farther. But yes,

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Speaker 1: my husband is an important surgeon and he loves me.

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Speaker 2: Well. Here at Bland Clapfuls in Saint Louis, we have

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Speaker 2: only the finest diamonds, emeralds, rubies, gold, silver, and platinum wears.

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Speaker 1: What if we started with, I don't know, some platinum rings.

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Speaker 2: That sounds beautiful for with your alabaster skin tone. Let

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Speaker 2: me get out a tray full of rings.

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Speaker 1: Oh you look like you like jazz.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, how did you know? Yes? I actually just

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Speaker 2: went into a fabulous performance last night at Old Busters

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Speaker 2: down on Seventeenth Lane.

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Speaker 1: Oh, old Busters, that's so funny. That's where my husband

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Speaker 1: had our second date. And I said, okay, this guy,

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Speaker 1: he's all right.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, you are so disarming young lady. Oh here,

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Speaker 2: let me get another tray of rings for you to

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Speaker 2: try on.

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Speaker 1: Oh perfect, Do you want sliding? Let me just slide.

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Speaker 1: I want to compare. See. I love the circle cut.

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Speaker 1: But don't you think the quadruple cut makes my ring

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Speaker 1: fingerlook center? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yes, the African blood cut looks incredible on your

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Speaker 2: middle finger. And oh yeah, but why don't you try this? Yes? Yes, wait,

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Speaker 2: let me get one of our seventeen string emeralds. Oh

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Speaker 2: my goodness, Oh.

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Speaker 1: My god, it looks amazing. I mean honestly, he got

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Speaker 1: me a pretty small Christmas present. Maybe I can persuade

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Speaker 1: him to get me too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we wouldn't want to have your husband not be

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Speaker 2: satisfied in the doghouse.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I make him a chicken pot pie, extra chicken,

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Speaker 1: extra cream every Friday night.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I my daughter just came home from

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Speaker 2: university and made its chicken pot pie last Friday. That's

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Speaker 2: so relateable.

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Speaker 1: You're a mother, but you look so young. She's in college.

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Speaker 1: It couldn't be.

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Speaker 2: Oh, oh god, you flatter me too much.

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Speaker 1: I oh no, I'll have to give you my recipe

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Speaker 1: for chicken pot pie. She'll love it now.

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Speaker 2: I seem to have forgotten. How many rings have you tried? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I just tried on the two, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: the bracelet is for me, so I'll just give you

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Speaker 1: this one back. And I do think I need to

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Speaker 1: come back with my husband. I'm a decisive woman, but

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Speaker 1: he does call the shots and I kind of like it.

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Speaker 2: Oh dear, let me just get you one more tray

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Speaker 2: of our most magnificent jewels to try on very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Oh hold on, Oh no, my boss is ringing the

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Speaker 2: phone and sending letters and telling me there's a carry

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Speaker 2: pigeon on their way. Oh god, I'm so flustered. Here. Wait,

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Speaker 2: just try on these jewels quickly.

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Speaker 1: Down, It's okay.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Oh you're right. Oh god, you really disarmed me.

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Speaker 2: Well I have to be closing up shop. But are

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Speaker 2: you willing to make a purchase or I.

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Speaker 1: Just Oh, I forgot my check book. I left it

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Speaker 1: at the butchers. See I was buying ribs. Oh god,

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Speaker 1: I love to make for my husbands. He loves ribs,

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Speaker 1: and again he gets what he wants. Look, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: go home, make him him ribs, sweeten him up, and

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Speaker 1: then we're gonna come here tomorrow at open and choose

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Speaker 1: whatever he wants to buy. You've been such a doll.

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Speaker 2: I trust you with my life for some reason. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much, and I'm sure i'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: I have no doubt in my mind that you'll be back.

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Speaker 1: You have a good evening, ma'am, and thank you again.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh gosh, no, I have all these trays out.

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Speaker 2: Oh goodness about my boss? Isn't upset with me? Way,

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Speaker 2: I've made a mess of the inventory. Wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: where did the double ruby crusted emerald inlaid long form

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Speaker 2: watch go? That was our most expensive watch. My that

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Speaker 2: must have cost fifty five thousand dollars. Why did I

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Speaker 2: misplace it? Oh? No, sir?

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Speaker 1: Can I have a one way ticket to Cleveland on

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Speaker 1: your Greyhound bus leaving at eight forty five? I'll pay cash.

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Speaker 2: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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Speaker 2: your filthy horse, Your husband's gone, and you've got books

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Speaker 2: and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 2: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoirs Martini. Celebrity Puff Club

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Speaker 2: to read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Puff Club, Tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No boys are a loud Celet say it loud and

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Speaker 2: pounds celebrity book club.

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Speaker 1: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: best friend or so called best friend.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm, So I could see you in this part

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Speaker 2: of town, the Diamond Distract.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice how we record near Harry Winston's, near Tiffany's,

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Speaker 1: the Great department store, Bergdorfs.

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Speaker 2: Van Arpfel's, Cartier Bulgarie, David Yerman Swarovski.

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Speaker 1: My girlfriend didn't know like who David Yeerman was.

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Speaker 2: So iconic of her living under the rock. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I guess David Yrman is not iconic because it's more

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Speaker 2: just like Billboard in nineties and like K Moss and.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think of it as one of like the

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Speaker 1: iconic kind of advertised jewelers. But no one said, for like, ugh,

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Speaker 1: he got me a David Yeerman.

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Speaker 2: No I know anyone who's ever like been gifted something

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Speaker 2: from K.

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Speaker 1: I truly gifted something from cakes. We talked about K Jewelers.

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Speaker 1: It was a huge part of our.

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Speaker 2: Childhood, right every guess because.

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Speaker 1: Of Kay thinking thinking, no, what about what's the other sales?

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Speaker 1: Do you know anyone who's gotten something.

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Speaker 2: From is that one time when I remember I bought

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Speaker 2: that cubic Sirconia ring at the QVC studios in Western

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania when we took that crazy road trip there and.

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Speaker 1: He took twenties crazy road trip to QBC where I

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Speaker 1: got bad bugs. We went to Atlantic City and then

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Speaker 1: we ended up at the QVC studios.

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Speaker 2: And I did pass out in my sob after vomiting

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Speaker 2: into a trash can, and I made you and R

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Speaker 2: fell asleep in the backseat.

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Speaker 1: In your tiny sub and it was really cool because

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Speaker 1: it was like you are so like old fashioned race

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Speaker 1: car and you drive stick so like none of us

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Speaker 2: Literally, none of my girlies could do like draft your girls.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I also remember you and arabellaing so twisted that

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Speaker 1: dripe and you guys were like so into cigarettes and

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Speaker 1: we're like, let's close the windows and smoke in the sob.

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Speaker 1: And I was like you and you're like, come on, Lily,

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Speaker 2: We were young, we were into smoking. We didn't know

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Speaker 2: about cancer night i'n't been discovered yet.

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Speaker 1: It was the forty nineteen forty two. And also not

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Speaker 1: even like hot boxing. We just hot boxing, like around

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Speaker 1: cigarette smoke, like the Parliament lights.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, the reason we're talking about jewels and thievery and

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Speaker 2: hidrinks and casinos and casinos and driving. We read a

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Speaker 2: really crazy, the fabulous iconic memoirs.

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Speaker 1: Such an iconic book. Like every page you're just like

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Speaker 1: gold away.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of giving like beet red vibes because you

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Speaker 2: just are like, I'm not putting this down. It's fun

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Speaker 2: you dive right end or so much plot happening.

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Speaker 1: It's conversational, it's international.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got like Tokyo, Paris, Italy, Coke, Cleveland. It's

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Speaker 2: got diamonds, it's got like death, it's got affairs, it's

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Speaker 2: got a beautiful and it's got tons of like jewel.

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Speaker 1: Heists, like who heists anymore?

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Speaker 2: Literally, no one heists, and we'll get it.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into win. No one can heist. We read

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Speaker 1: You may have.

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Speaker 2: Not heard of you, probably because I certainly happened. You

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Speaker 2: told me about her like a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: And I only found out about hers because I literally

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Speaker 1: just saw this book in Parns and Noble in the

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Speaker 1: crime section, and I was.

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Speaker 3: And this is why we need to save our locals

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Speaker 3: and mortar.

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Speaker 2: Because you just have that interaction, that sense of discovery

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Speaker 2: that you're just not going to get on Amazon.

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Speaker 1: No, you're not gonna be like, oh, let me search

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Speaker 1: iconic black jewel thieves.

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Speaker 2: Anyway. The book is called Diamond Doris by by Doris Pain,

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Speaker 2: the most notorious jewel thief in the history of the world, truly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, name someone else.

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Speaker 2: She's like this fabulous, glamorous, thin black woman from like

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Speaker 2: the sixties but also from now because she's literally like

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Speaker 2: and she's one hundred and she like just got busted

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Speaker 2: like five years ago for.

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Speaker 1: Like stealing like a two thousand dollars bracelet from like

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Speaker 1: the most like random.

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Speaker 2: Mall in Atlanta, but she's like still boosting at ninety.

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Speaker 2: Like she is truly iconic her philosophy.

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Speaker 1: I kind of just to start out with about like stealing,

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Speaker 1: I find so like fabulous because she's stealing like.

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Speaker 2: Jewels, and her whole thing is that she's not being

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Speaker 2: so like Ocean's eleven and like and hacking. Her whole

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Speaker 2: thing is it's all very pre tech, pre technology, pre surveillance.

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Speaker 2: She walks into jewelry stores dressed as a fabulous rich woman.

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Speaker 2: She then like sweet, she sweet talks the jewelers and

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Speaker 2: her two favorite words that use are confusion and familiarity.

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Speaker 2: Get familiar with them, charm them, and then confuse them.

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Speaker 1: We're confused in the mix.

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Speaker 2: Bringing out so many different trays of rings and bracelets

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Speaker 2: and washes, and you're trying on so many things that

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Speaker 2: they kind of forget how many things are trying and

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Speaker 2: how many things were wearing when you came in.

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Speaker 1: And then you like switch out stuff. Well also you

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Speaker 1: always have to like come in wearing a lot of jewelry,

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Speaker 1: and then you confuse them and you have them talking

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Speaker 1: about jazz and Count Basie and their children.

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Speaker 2: And you're putting on so many different rings, and then

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Speaker 2: it's closing time and then they're like switching with their

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Speaker 2: other partners and they need to take a smok break.

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Speaker 2: And then you're just like, well, I'll be back tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and my husband and will come with his big fat

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Speaker 2: like bag of cash, and they're like, okay, little lady,

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Speaker 2: I would never suspect that she would do anything.

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Speaker 1: It'll relies a lot on the culture of like the

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Speaker 1: sixties and fifties and seventies of just like a woman

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be buying Jules.

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Speaker 2: Person the way you said the sixties, the fifties and

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Speaker 2: the seventies, when we're calling the sixties sandwich.

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Speaker 1: Would you flip back and forth?

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and she's like both. Her race is obviously

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Speaker 2: a disadvantage in many ways, but then it's also really

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Speaker 2: taking people by surprise because they've like never seen a

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Speaker 2: rich black woman like walking into the department store, right.

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Speaker 1: Which then a little bit works for revenge because then

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well, she actually must be so rich.

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Speaker 2: They're always just like, oh, she's literally a celebrity, and

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Speaker 2: they're always and because it's so like pre photos, like

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Speaker 2: you just you don't know who anyone anywhere. No, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Up until like nineteen eighty four, it's just basically the

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Speaker 2: fourteen hundreds, Like you could be Casanova walking into like Vienna,

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Speaker 1: after that, it's a done deal. She's like, why would

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00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: I get like yelled at and like abused by all

438
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: these like old white women and wipe their ass when

439
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: I can be literally literally fabulous. She's like, it's kind

440
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 1: of no question.

441
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: Like done, you know, And I think the book is

442
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: like obviously the book so it like has this very

443
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,199
Speaker 2: like tight narrative and like congrats to the ghostwriter, like

444
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: she did a good job. But like if she hadn't

445
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 2: like witnessed her mom like being if she hadn't like

446
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 2: grown up in this coal miner's town and like seen

447
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 2: like as the coal industry was failing and then like

448
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,040
Speaker 2: everyone like really was falling on hard times and just

449
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: like seeing like that like extreme microcosm of economic abuse

450
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: and like rachel dynamics and the sexism and just like

451
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: how much that cards arotact against her. It's like I

452
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: don't think she would have no And I.

453
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 1: Think she says that multiple times. She was like I

454
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: did this because my mom was being beat Like I

455
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 1: was not gonna be like a sad coal miner's wife,

456
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: Like I see, like, yeah, exactly, the cards are stacked

457
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: up again me to be like a black woman in

458
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: the sixties, like from a coal mining town, like.

459
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 2: And I think if she had grown up in a

460
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: city or something with like more excitement around her, she

461
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: may not have like been so motivated to go all

462
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: the way to just like Monica Monica and Thievery.

463
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, which kind of brings us to the The next

464
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: act is she has children.

465
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: So she's so random American. She just kind of like

466
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: has two kids and then just never really talks about that.

467
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: She does not even mention the husband, and not even

468
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 1: the husband like the guy she has kids with and

469
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, she wanted more child support from me,

470
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: but she was like, but I was in Greece.

471
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this is the one thing you're like, okay,

472
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: like go off.

473
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and like usually it's men running.

474
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Men running off, and she's running off and she's kind

475
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, so he just kind of took care

476
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 2: of the kids well. But then when I got rich

477
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: and she like finally buys a house with all her

478
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: jewel and Ronick and the daughter at like sixteen, who

479
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: she's literally like never raised or seen her whole life,

480
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: moves back and is like, wait, fab, I'm going to

481
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: live in this like fab room at your tame.

482
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: And she's literally just like, mom, is that you? And

483
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 1: then they like get in one fight where she's being

484
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: like I want to go with my friends and she's like, no,

485
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: you're not, and she like becomes a mother for the

486
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: first time.

487
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's one of the things where it's

488
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 2: like I wonder what their actual relationship was, Like, I mean,

489
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: it kind of seems like they really don't have a

490
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: relationship at all.

491
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: But it feels like they have more relationship later on

492
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: when she's taking care of her mother, yeah, dying, but

493
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 1: she doesn't seem like she has much relationship with her son.

494
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: But then she's like, oh, it's rotten with.

495
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 2: Her own mother. I mean, her own mother is like

496
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 2: the biggest carct in this book besides Babe. Her like

497
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: Jewish lover, slush fixer.

498
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 1: Burly tan, buff, Jewish guy who wants to be like

499
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: a promoter. That's base.

500
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: It sounds a total top.

501
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: He's a total total top. I mean he sounds like

502
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: very like lower grade mafia.

503
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like all just like midsize towns were

504
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 2: so mobbed up back in this day.

505
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: The Cleveland mob which she talks about, was really mobbed up.

506
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: So basically like her and Babe like instantly hit it off,

507
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: do a heist in Montreal, but then the news gets

508
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: like word of it, and they're like an interracial couple,

509
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: like was caught stealing jewels and they haven't hooked up yet,

510
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: and they're in her car and he starts singing Count

511
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: Basie to her and starts tickling his fingers over and

512
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: then on her thigh and grabs her hand and she

513
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: was like he was trying to get it.

514
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: I mean, then anything sexier than you've just pulled off

515
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 2: a heist in Montreal and you're driving back.

516
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: By the way, and then she starts singing back to him.

517
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: In this big wide American car.

518
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: The widest car on earth, and they just start singing together.

519
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: And then their relashi ship is very crime Polly, yes.

520
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: So crime poly where he has his wife would she

521
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 2: and she's like mRNA so like for romance and for

522
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: like sleeping, but Myrna.

523
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, she calls it romance and homekeeping.

524
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: Like Myrna like has pots and Myrna like at five

525
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 2: pm just cannot like stand up anymore and just has

526
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: to lie down for the rest of the day.

527
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: And then she described She's like and I didn't mind

528
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: he was married, And I don't think Myrna minded because

529
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: like she would literally like fall down at five pm

530
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: and like couldn't make love anymore.

531
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: But then he was looking home and sleep with her

532
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: because Doris has her rule no sleep.

533
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: Nole was literally shane. But so their whole thing was

534
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: sex in the morning. She goes, after my kids would

535
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: go to school, I'd call my house the playpen, yeah,

536
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: and so he would come over. They would fuck in

537
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: that early morning Cleveland.

538
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: Sunlight, gorgeous Cleveland, like then they would flip the pages

539
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: of char magazine and look at the latest rules at

540
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: all the department stores that mid sized cities around the

541
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: country and plan their neck ticsts.

542
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm like ultimate relationship goals. You're both just like looking

543
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: through like Pennsylvania Magazine being like, oh, a new shopping

544
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: complex is just open door thirty fourth and Saratoga ass I.

545
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: Just like circling like a three carrot diamond in Philly.

546
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 2: But then's still getting to sleep alone at night and

547
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 2: spread out in your bed burn babe.

548
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean they had such a close relations.

549
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: Really close business and sexual and political and regional relationship, and.

550
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: They would travel forever until sadly, this is so sad

551
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: he feels like he's getting too fat.

552
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 2: God for Doris, I do feel like she maybe made

553
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: it a little bit about more about her than it was,

554
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: but sure she was just like he was worried I

555
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: wasn't fucking him anymore, and he thought he got too fat,

556
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: So then he had to get lap band surgery.

557
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: And then he had complications from LiPo suction and then died.

558
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: Nobody he was like embarrassed to go to Cleveland Clinic,

559
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 2: one of the best medical facilities and the country excused me,

560
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: excuse me. Wonderful, wonderful. But he didn't want to go

561
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: because he was like, everybody will like recognize me there

562
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: because I'm such a like famous, like mom guy in

563
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: the Cleveland area, and I don't want people to know that,

564
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: like I had complications from my like vanity surgery.

565
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, imagine like how fucked up liposuction was in

566
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two.

567
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: No, I'm I were absolute using like a crazy hose.

568
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just a hose. And then they're like

569
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: kind of crazy sewing you up.

570
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just like scooping it out with a ladle

571
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: from William's snow.

572
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: That's always what I thought liposuction was.

573
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: Scooping.

574
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of scooping. I feel like scraping.

575
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: It's so like.

576
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: At the end of the book, this is not a spoiler,

577
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: but Doris does say just like, did I embellished stories?

578
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? Did I lie?

579
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: She's like, did I make it sound good for the story?

580
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: That's up to you?

581
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, No, I mean that part is very

582
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: movie like. There's parts of the book where you're just like, okay,

583
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: you're already making this in this two.

584
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: Thousand and eight Mirror Max. Well, this book was optioned

585
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: and the latest thing I read was like Tesla Thompson

586
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: is supposed to play her.

587
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: Well, first halle Berry was attached. I don't know what

588
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Helly's up to, but that was in like twenty eleven.

589
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: Then Tesla Thompson was attached. That it was pandemic. Here's

590
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: what I was thinking though, I just feel like this

591
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: would be such a better mini series and it would

592
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: be so HBO Max and like yeah five slash like

593
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: Queen's Bandit, Like I think it would be really good

594
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: because here's the problem. It's like I do feel like

595
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: when Hollywood is making movies about like black women in

596
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: the fifties, they're always so like heartwarming and like serious.

597
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: What was that movie Figures that was Hidden Figures.

598
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: Or like Green Book, Like it wouldn't be this sex

599
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: paper like catch me Your ca.

600
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: They're like, oh no, we have to go like so

601
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: hard so they don't make an anti hero character in

602
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: the way they would like at Tony Sprano, right, They're

603
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,959
Speaker 1: just like, no, we're gonna play Motown and then we're

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: gonna have you like just kind of like walking through stors.

605
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: Or it would be like such a random ass mid movie.

606
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: So like that movie Focus with Will Smith and Margaret

607
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: Robbie that no one has seen.

608
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: Oh my good, and I remember that came out. I

609
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: was like I need to see this and obviously did not.

610
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: Or it would be like One for the Money, which

611
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: no one like Vanovic movie with what's her name.

612
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: Catherine Heigel that only we saw via groupon was the

613
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: first group on I ever purchased.

614
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would just kind of do a bad job

615
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: with a movie and they just need to make a

616
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: mini series with an unknown It would be so good.

617
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: It's also that thing where it's like now it's all

618
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: about the series, yeah, you know, and the binge.

619
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: I the five episode, you could do all the flashbacks

620
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: to her coal mining town, yes, and they dad into

621
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: each episode. It would be like a great format rather.

622
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: Than like this montage scene where they're like she's increased,

623
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: she's in Monte Carlo. It's like, we could do a

624
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: full episode of like her in Monte Carlo.

625
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 3: Let's get let's get fair fucking fab I want to

626
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: go to Monte Carlo so bad the same and just

627
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: be like, you know, I've never even been and I'm

628
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: like miss France. Yeah.

629
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: My next question was like not to pry, but like,

630
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: where is Monchy carlew It's like off the France, like.

631
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: French Riviera fren and it's where like monco is. Can

632
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: I can just say also, I love how she's been

633
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: so like us in this book and always just being

634
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: like not me. When she gets to Monte Carlo, she's

635
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: so gagged that she's there. She goes I arrived at

636
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: hotel to Paris. This was the real shit, a palace

637
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: looking building that was hotel and casino in one palm

638
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: trees in the front. Building had statues of naked goddesses.

639
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: I was in my element again. The young bell hop

640
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: said this way, madam. They were buttoned up, polstered sofas, pillars,

641
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: fine oil paintings type of my head, and a stained

642
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: glass window of the heavens. I thought, hot, damn, but

643
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: I still kept my nose in the air as I

644
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: followed the bell hop in the elevator into my room.

645
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 2: I opened the French doors to the port, smelled the saltiere,

646
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: lay on the che's lounge and laughed out loud, sweet

647
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: baby Jesus okay.

648
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: And then this part is so fab She goes to

649
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: Monte Carlo. She gets a new boyfriend. By that time,

650
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Kennon in Cleveland does not tell him how long she's

651
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: going to be there.

652
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: She goes.

653
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: I wonder what Kenneth was thinking, but he was still

654
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: new in my life. He didn't understand how long a

655
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: European gig would take. Anyway, I found myself itching to

656
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: read a newspaper. I needed some information from the outside.

657
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: And so she's just like chilling at this hotel.

658
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: Wait, that's when she's already been arrested. Oh oh, what

659
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: happens is they do arrest her for this heist she does,

660
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: and she's so ingenious that she hides the diamond inside

661
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: the hem of her dress, and since they can't find it,

662
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: they just like put her on house arrest in this

663
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: fab hotel. And she's just like in a hotel, getting

664
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,959
Speaker 2: room service every day for nine months. Oh and then

665
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: they just like let her go back to America.

666
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: I love the scenery. The balcony was right over the

667
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Mediterranean where Elizabeth Taylor and Richard Burton had once vacationed.

668
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: I could look out in the yachts and hear jazz playing,

669
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: just like my first night in the city, and she's

670
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: just on house arrest.

671
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: This scene where she hides the ring is crazy. So

672
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: basically she goes to Cardier. She boosts this like half

673
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: a million dollars.

674
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: This is her biggest tiste, her.

675
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: Biggest high yet, and she's like being super fab. She's

676
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: trying to get a plane out of there, but at

677
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: the airport she like waits too long to get a flight.

678
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: And this is a big theme, like she's always kind

679
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: of like freaking out when the travel is about to happen,

680
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: Like she has this freak out like with a bus station.

681
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: And same and after I've stolen that smart water from

682
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: Hunts and News, You're like.

683
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: I've got her. Get on the plane right now. They're

684
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: about to come for me.

685
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: And I immediately just got on the first plane out

686
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: of there. I'm like I don't care where it's going.

687
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: So like these like kind of air France police, like

688
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: not real police walk up to her and then they

689
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: asked to like strip search her. Basically I knew they

690
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: didn't have a legal right, but I took out a

691
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: Kleenex and blew my nose. It's cold in here, I

692
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: know the flora is colder. Can I start by giving

693
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: you my pantyhose first? I had the ring in my

694
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: left hand, got my pantyhose off and gave them to her.

695
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: She shook them as I put my pantyhose back on.

696
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: I folded the ring into the kleenex and pulled it

697
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: up into the back of my pantyhose. Then I took

698
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: off one article of planting the time to stay warm.

699
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: Whall she searched each pizza clothing, so it's like the

700
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: guards already searched the pantyhose. And then she puts the

701
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: kleenix with the ringing. And then later she goes, can

702
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: I have fingernail clipper out of my luggage so I

703
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: can keep myself looking nice? Then she asks for a

704
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: needle and thread to fix the hem on my skirt.

705
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: I took down my skirt, took the ring out of

706
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: my pantyhose, use the needle and thread to whip stitch

707
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: the diamond ring into the hem, where it stayed for months.

708
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: And that's a daughter of a seamstress.

709
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: Literally like he's employing every skill she's ever ever.

710
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know they're looking throughout, but they would never

711
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: guess in the hem.

712
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy genius, and this is why it's

713
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: also good to be wearing like very kind of like

714
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 2: stiff dresses. Her whole thing is being like I only

715
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: dress like an elegant like Jackie O woman. I don't

716
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: wear like loose, like sludy clothing. And that time when

717
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: she's like in Switzerland, she gets like her boyfriend's daughter

718
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: to come.

719
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, she gets Linda to come.

720
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: She's like, bring me clothes I would never wear, and

721
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: she brings her like jeans, and she's like, I've never

722
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: worn jeans, oh way.

723
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: And then she brings her all to a polo and

724
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: she's like, ugh, I looked like a washed up tennis po.

725
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: So she like escapes from zap because she's not no.

726
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: There's so many descriptions of outfits where she's like, I

727
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: was in a sex fifth avenue coat that hugged me

728
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: at all the right place.

729
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Leaving Europe and she's like, I had to get a

730
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 2: flight to Syria. She first light leaving with Cecyria. At

731
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: first I thought that was an insane choice, but I

732
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: felt paranoid. She's like, not me being so random and

733
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: flying to Damascus.

734
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: So she finally does. I mean, the top about her

735
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: mother's death is so sad. Her mother gets lung cancer

736
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: from like coal mining.

737
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 2: Like yeah, this actually happens to a lot of people

738
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: who grew up in coning towns.

739
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: And you know, she cares for her mom, and her

740
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: mom is like, well you please just marry Kenneth. Kenneth

741
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: was like I want to be don King. And then

742
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: I think she becomes a little bit you know, closer

743
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: with her daughter through her mother. And then her mother

744
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: does like finally die and it's like so sad, and

745
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: then she she does like have to surrender herself and

746
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: like go to prison for the first time.

747
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: Like but she goes to prison for like passport fraud.

748
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: Yes, that's the only way they can get her because

749
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: her mom really was like flirting with this white FBI agent.

750
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah oh for so long.

751
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah who like broke down and started sobbing when he

752
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: finds out that the mom died and you're like what

753
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: this is? What is also so movie about it?

754
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: But the mom dies this like so terrible death, and

755
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: then like her other friend gets cancer, and then I

756
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: kind of gets cancer. I just in saying that she's

757
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: like seventy five and then is like, well, now I'm

758
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: scraping coke off the side of bags in Chicago because

759
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 2: I still needed money, and then I actually went back

760
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 2: to heisting, and then she just like kind of gets

761
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: back into the jewel game. Yeah, and then she may

762
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: really in her seventies, and you're like, all of.

763
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: A sudden, because this whole book is like Monte Carlo

764
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. And then she's like and then it was

765
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and you're.

766
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: Like what, yeah, twenty eleven. I'm like, okay, now we

767
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: fully have security cameras, babe.

768
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: And I think that is why, like her recent heights

769
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: have been a little tough and a little sour. But

770
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: my favorite thing is this guy, this judge is so

771
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: like shaming her for stealing, and they're trying to be

772
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: so like think of the shopkeepers, like I can't believe

773
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: you stole, Like that's not right, and she was like hmm,

774
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: but have you ever gone to jail for your ancestors

775
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: stealing the blood diamonds from Africa?

776
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: And they're just like they're like, I'm not you.

777
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like okay, She's like, yeah, told you you're

778
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: a thief too. They try to shame her and it's

779
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: like sorry, Tiffany's is fun.

780
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: Well, also, like what's actually kind of crazy is when

781
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: she realizes that a lot of the department stores which

782
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: she's making most of her heights in the sixties, A,

783
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: they have all this insurance, but b they actually don't

784
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 2: want to publicize the thefts that are above a certain

785
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 2: amount because it means that too many trays were taken

786
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: out and then those bad on them. It looks bad,

787
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: but like the insurance can be like, won't actually pay

788
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: for it if it was like their own negligence, and

789
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: so basically like they won't file a police report for

790
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: it because.

791
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: It's like if they're the stupid asshole is basically like

792
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: getting confused.

793
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: And so she basically then she gets this new rule.

794
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: She's like, well, I'm only gonna steal if they've taken

795
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: out like more than five trays. She goes if they

796
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: had more out and somehow lost one through any means

797
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: they were shy by apparent to the police, who would

798
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 2: send a report of the store's negligence to their insurance company.

799
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: Getting a piece back when the mistake was theres was

800
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: worse than reporting the loss. Many of the stores were

801
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: glad the piece was never found. Then they could report

802
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: the loss as much higher than the value of the

803
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 2: piece and then she goes those damn crooks they would

804
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: take hours or days reconstructing the truth to keep their

805
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: insurance from going through the roof and to get more

806
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: than the ring is worth. So yeah, because that's when

807
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: she notices there's like a notice in the paper where

808
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: they're like a ring worth five thousand dollars was stolen.

809
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: She's like, that ring that I stole was actually only

810
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred, right, but they're saying it was five thousand.

811
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: And I think this is why, like so Babe like

812
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: taught her all you need to do, Like one of

813
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: the first time she's rested, he's like, you just need

814
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: to go and surrender, and like obviously everyone's so mopped up,

815
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: and he's like and I've talked to like the lawyer

816
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: and like everything will be fine. So they just kind

817
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: of like need to give her a slap on the

818
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: wrist and be like I surrendered, Okay, it's fine, and

819
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: you know they don't want the publicity and the insurance well.

820
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: And I think that there is this fascinating obviously like

821
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: this is a victimless crime. And I think that's like

822
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: very clear, and it's probably why it's like she's never

823
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: really had to go to jail so much because it's

824
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: just like it's completely not no one's getting hurt, No

825
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: one's getting hurt. And I mean she's stealing like a

826
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: couple insanely expensive pieces that are ensured.

827
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: And what's funny is like they never also want to

828
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: put her in jail because they're afraid this results are

829
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: very Dorius like kind of gassing herself up. She's like,

830
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: they didn't want to put me in jail because they

831
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: didn't want me to teach the other girl. Yeah, so what

832
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: I do.

833
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, is that And they really thought, yeah,

834
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: they're like high school, But.

835
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: I guess that's like so many movies about like people

836
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: running it from the inside and like teaching m I mean.

837
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: Jal is absolutely criminal school. I've always said that to

838
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: my clients. Here's my hot take on diamonds.

839
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: They I know what you're gonna say, They're not rare.

840
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: I feel like we talked about this another episode, but

841
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: do go off. They're not rare.

842
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: They're not rare. To quote my own boyfriend, you mean

843
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: the thing on the finger of every girl in Chicago,

844
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 2: Every fucking girl has a diamond on her finger. They're

845
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,399
Speaker 2: not rare.

846
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: I think, as we said in the beginning, Zales, literally,

847
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: hey jewelers.

848
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Like I was just talking to a friend of the

849
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 2: pot Arabella, who a jewelry designer. She was like, yeah,

850
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: diamonds are boring, Like colored stones are so much more

851
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 2: interesting and buried, and it's just like the best kind

852
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: of diamond is a completely colorless diamond.

853
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: But she says, she's like that's the most expensive. You're like, okay,

854
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: so you just want like something clear your.

855
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: Blank It's like, go off ring finger. I'm like sure,

856
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: Like there's been some fabulous diamonds throughout history, and like go.

857
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: Offjla had a colored diamond, and that's why we all

858
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: talked about it, right exactly. Yeah, a diamond ring. When

859
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: I think of that, I think of a crinkly Irish

860
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: hand at the dentist office, stacked with multiple rings from

861
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: weddings and engagements and anniversaries, like four rings and you're

862
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: like seventy five.

863
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot of things that I think

864
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: are insane about culture, right, But it's just like the

865
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: fact that that has been so shopworn and is just

866
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: still in effect and it crosses every single demographic line

867
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 2: like a diamond rnge in whatever. It's like, you gotta

868
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: have the diamond ring.

869
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: I think we're only now engagement girls are slightly slightly

870
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: breaking away, but only a small, tiny portion of them,

871
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: and you're like, ooh, I want my breathstone.

872
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: And even if you're so like non traditional wedding and

873
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: you're like, I'm wearing con verse, like there's Masoner destination wedding.

874
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: What mas converse is actually even more diamond then, like

875
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: if you were like, I'm actually in a simple via

876
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: wang and I have an emerald ring.

877
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. It's like the more non traditional going

878
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: and wedding like, the more you're actually digging in your

879
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: little heels into diamond land. Which brings me to my

880
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,959
Speaker 2: question for you, what kind of diamond engagement what.

881
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: Kind of engagement rank you want? Let's like ideal engagement ring.

882
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: Okay vs two level clarity, colorless or near colorless, obviously flawless,

883
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: no imperfections, no fracture lines, thinking emerald cut which is

884
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: actually a non traditional cut and it's longer or possibly

885
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: a square cut, diamond, platinum band, pave gold diamond.

886
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: It's around.

887
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: I loved diamond, but I haven't even thought about it

888
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 2: whatever you haven't have you like ever seen this? Four B.

889
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: We go to your bookmarks. It's like so many rings.

890
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: Show me your finest segments.

891
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: What does she eat?

892
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: What does she wear?

893
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: Do live?

894
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: What does she eat? So she's sober, but she's a stoner,

895
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: which I'm obsessed.

896
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: Oh wait, the quote when she goes me and Kenneth

897
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: smoked enough weed to Kira Ham amazing.

898
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 1: And then one of the last lines of the book,

899
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: she just goes, I light up a big ass joint

900
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: on my balcony in Atlanta and Atlanta and she just

901
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: kind of is like thinking about her life. But the

902
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: first time she has a drink is with Is it

903
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: with the Japanese business man?

904
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: No, it's with like a Nigerian cab driver in Zurich.

905
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: She has Royale and she's like, wait a minute, this

906
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: is fun.

907
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like this is a lady.

908
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: And then she has like the worst none of her

909
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 2: life where she's like arrested and she's like on a

910
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: trip into like Paris or something, and then she like

911
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: hops out in like a corn field.

912
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: And like gets in a cab. And then at the

913
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: end she's.

914
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: Also so the past where it's like if you like

915
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: managed to escape the police. Then you just kind of

916
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: got to go and.

917
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: Yeah you're going, yeah forgot And then she was like

918
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: did that happen? Was it a dream? I don't know,

919
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: but it was a crazy night. And I blame Ki

920
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 1: Royales and I'm.

921
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Like, okay, and then she never drinks again. No. I

922
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: just don't think she's eating that much. I mean, she

923
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: is iconic in ninety nine, and I feel like the

924
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: reason she lives so long is a not drinking and.

925
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: B like definitely not drinking and probably.

926
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 2: Eating just like some beans here and there.

927
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like when she's at all these hotels.

928
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: She says at one point she can't cook.

929
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: Oh, she's very I can't cook because she was like

930
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: a girl boss.

931
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not like coaching oven.

932
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's like beans. Maybe I don't know what's happening here.

933
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: I feel like she's very Her style of eating is

934
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: literally just room service. It's like toast eggs, benedict and

935
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: two strips of bacon.

936
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's very like half of the meal is

937
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: still there.

938
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: On the plate. Yeah, Like in a photo of like ooh,

939
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: we started making love and just left and it's still

940
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: like an egg and some toes.

941
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: An egg will be the bacon, and then.

942
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: Like glass of orange juice. She has one sip.

943
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: She I could see her having like a full glass

944
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: of orange juice every.

945
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: Day more than coffee. Yeah, like I start my day

946
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: with vitamin C. Yeah, okay, I'll double down in that

947
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: orange juice.

948
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: Orange juice, which is very like fifties. What does she

949
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: wear only the crispis crispis suit and pillar and gloves.

950
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: And like coats with belts.

951
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: Well, I love it. In the beginning she has that

952
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: like nail on her wall so she can zip herself

953
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: into fancy dresses.

954
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I need to do that, get into my courses.

955
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

956
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: And in the beginning of the book, her since her

957
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: mom's a seamstress, she gives her all these patterns and

958
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 1: her mom is like, you're pregnant, like you can't fit

959
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: into this, and she's just.

960
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 2: Like, okay, fine, yeah, stopping such a judgmental judy.

961
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: But I'm multiply so fab her just being like looking

962
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: for patterns and being like, ooh I want that.

963
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, she sees what she likes and she goes.

964
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: And she's big chanal sunglasses.

965
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I do want if at ninety two. I

966
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: think maybe she's like a little bit more just like

967
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: Granny sound wearing capris and like a sweater. Yeah.

968
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: I mean I was watching an interview with her where

969
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: she was like getting out of jail and like being

970
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: fabulous and they were trying to be like will you

971
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: do it again? And like what happened? And she just goes,

972
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: I got what I want. She's in like a black

973
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: card game with some like sparkle on it, and I

974
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: think just like cotton pants and sneakers.

975
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think her house now is like a guy like.

976
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: Her style is giving ninety like she is getting her

977
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: hair like Preston died regularly. I think she has.

978
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: Like some maybe like a pink couch.

979
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: I was thinking like more like a creamer almost a

980
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: yellowy like any leather couch.

981
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: Oh, leather couch kind of like.

982
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: Deep white, you know, with the really like kind of

983
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: why yes, arms arms.

984
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: On the side. I think her TV is like a

985
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: little bit small actually, No, I think she's a huge

986
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: TV MASSI she's a massive teak. She loves watching sports.

987
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she likes sports. She's a guy's girl and she

988
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: has it. It's like one of those things like where

989
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: it's like built into the stand.

990
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: She actually is so eighty for Brady. I feel like

991
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 1: she's sitting with a blanket and like watching like Ohio

992
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: State played like basketball, yeah, and she's like has a

993
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: bowl of chips, but she's just having like one.

994
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 2: Hip, absolutely one ship, and like.

995
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: And a fresca and it's like oh Bengals.

996
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, And there's like one Bengals photo like framed,

997
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: and she doesn't have pictures of her kids because she

998
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: forgot about that.

999
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: I think she has like one one photo of Ronda

1000
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: and Ronnie and they are like checking up on her,

1001
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: but I altimately they're like eye roll about her, like

1002
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: at this point being like are you still boosting?

1003
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: But maybe they're also like being like trying to sell

1004
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 2: like a T shirt or something. Oh that's like don't kids,

1005
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: or like they're trying to like get the movie off

1006
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: the grid.

1007
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: They probably are. I also watched this interview with the

1008
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: guys who made the documentary about her Shocker. They're gay,

1009
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: Oh of course, of course, and like they were people she.

1010
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,760
Speaker 2: Talked about when she's like she's like in Palm Springs

1011
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, is this just like a gay guy?

1012
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: It was still like NYU student being like I want

1013
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: to make a doctor.

1014
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to make a documentary about you. You're pretty fabulous,

1015
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: and they like, this is my problem with like documentary

1016
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: culture today is like how exploitive it is. In this interview,

1017
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: they're like, no, like she did grow up in a

1018
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: coal miner. But they're like, also, she's really manipulative. And

1019
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, but who cares.

1020
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 2: Wait, but you think they're being exploitative or they're just

1021
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: being not nice by saying she's manipula.

1022
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: They're being like a little explosive, but also like she

1023
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: wants her story told. I just feel like every crime

1024
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: documentary they're like too horny.

1025
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: Now, I mean they're definitely too horny, and it's so

1026
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: always like so Starcase where they're like fucking their subject

1027
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: for seven years. Yeah, and she though is literally an

1028
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: international jewel thief, and so I feel like she's less

1029
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 2: of like such a victim.

1030
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: No, I don't think she's a victim. I just found them.

1031
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: It's a little bit.

1032
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: I want to tell her story and she and she's like,

1033
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: get out of your earth.

1034
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: But then she did she because she wants a movie

1035
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: about herself.

1036
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,439
Speaker 2: I mean again, I think we all want this movie.

1037
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: We all want this movie bad, So it's more I

1038
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: guess I was maybe like jealous, and I was like,

1039
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: I want to be the gig couple, like getting the

1040
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: rights to your story.

1041
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 2: There's obviously something going on with like rights and development.

1042
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: And shelving and the pandemic, And was attached to what

1043
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: right I O you are you in the book? I mean,

1044
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: I mean, are you? Yeah, like in your kind of Doris.

1045
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: But I don't have that confidence. You don't steal a

1046
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 2: half a million dollars.

1047
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: But you like definitely have more confidence to steal the

1048
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: newspaper at odds and News than I do. Right, do

1049
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: you think I'm Babe? I'm a Russell Crow look alike,

1050
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: like Jewish mobster in Ohio?

1051
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: Am I a little more kind of I'm trying to

1052
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: remember it good because you're like more of a stoner.

1053
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm like, maybe I feel like Babe

1054
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: is a little more like possibly like would rough up

1055
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: someone gay filmmaker? Yeah, I know, honestly I'm the gay

1056
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: and my filmmaker who already been a documentary about her,

1057
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he actually did it wrong. I think

1058
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: I do it better.

1059
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: We were literally recording a podcast about her right now.

1060
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: Doris Payne was born in nineteen forty two in a

1061
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: small West Virginia black hole mining town. Okay, so we're

1062
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: both of these guys, but you I think you have

1063
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: hints of Doris.

1064
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean you've been to France, but not on your own.

1065
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: Not on my own dollar. But it's just pretty Doris.

1066
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: One day you're going to travel alone. It's gonna be

1067
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 2: so like when kids fly and I'm going to put

1068
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: you on a plane on.

1069
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: Like there's you're saying to like the stewardess. Yeah, I

1070
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: said the stewardess. They're gonna be like, okay, can you

1071
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 1: watch Lily? And then they're like where did Lily got

1072
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: the end of the flight? And I'm already like in

1073
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: big sunglasses.

1074
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: Where are my wings? I give this book ten Yeah,

1075
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 2: I give this like ten van artful watches at a time.

1076
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it was really fun and it was a

1077
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: really quickly away like breeze there can put it down.

1078
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 2: It was just like it was a slapper.

1079
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: It's a sleigh and a slapper. It's really fun. I

1080
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: hadn't heard of her, so that was also fun, and

1081
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: it's like just like a caper in a way. You know,

1082
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: we have our Ocean Saint and our Ocean's eleven.

1083
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's a charming caper.

1084
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: Really charming. Bring to the beach this summer.

1085
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: Okay, have fun, club kids, have fun.

1086
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: Club kids, steel diamonds, try on tons of watches.

1087
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 2: It's a victimless crime.

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00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: Best best multi million dollar podcast. Celebrity Book Club was

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00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: produced by Darby Masters. I met her in Cleveland. It

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00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: was nineteen sixty two. She worked at the five and dime.

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Speaker 1: We had some fun together. The supervising producer is Abu Safar.

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00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: We met in Monaco. He sold me a watch for

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00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: three million dollars. The executive producer is Christina Everett. We've

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Speaker 1: never met, but she's the only jewel thief in this town.

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Speaker 1: The artworks by Teddy Blanks. I have one of his

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Speaker 1: pieces in my home. I don't know how it got here.

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Speaker 1: The theme songs done by Stephen Phillips Horst. He used

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Speaker 1: to play this jazz club in Montreal. I liked what

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Speaker 1: he does on the drums. This podcast was co creative

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Speaker 1: proll up projects. Soon I hear they'll be selling a

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Speaker 1: new line of watches. I plan to visit one of

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Speaker 1: their locations very soon