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Speaker 2: So we've got some updates for you guys with regard

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Speaker 2: to Machmu Khalil. He is that Green card holder and

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Speaker 2: a student activist who has been detained and they are

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Speaker 2: attempting to the Trump administration is attempting to deport. So

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and start with this comments from Tom Homan,

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Speaker 2: who was in Albany and New York to speak on

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Speaker 2: exactly this issue and sounding a bit of a different

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Speaker 2: note on free speech than the Trump campaign certainly did

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Speaker 2: when he was campaigning, and notably JD. Vans did when

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Speaker 2: he was over in Europe. Let's take a listen to that.

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Speaker 4: Free speech has limitations, but when you go to college

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Speaker 4: campus you incite protesting and locking down and taking over

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Speaker 4: buildings and damaging property and handing out leaflets for hamas

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Speaker 4: who is a terrorist organization coming to this country, either

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Speaker 4: on a visa or becoming the rest in ailing is

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Speaker 4: a great privilege, whether there are rules associated with that.

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Speaker 2: So again, I think it's really important to remind people

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Speaker 2: that mak Mu Khalil has not been accused of a crime.

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Speaker 2: The justification they're using for the stripping of his green

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Speaker 2: card status and potential deportation is that Marco Rubio determined

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Speaker 2: that he was a threat to our national security priority

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Speaker 2: of combating anti Semitism. We also have some more details

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Speaker 2: about Khalil himself that we'll get to in a moment.

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Speaker 2: In particular, you notice the charges against him are always

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Speaker 2: very vague. He's like affiliated with this literature that, by

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Speaker 2: the way, we haven't been able to allowed to see.

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Speaker 2: He said things that we're supposed to assume are anti Semitic.

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Speaker 2: There's been very little specifics of what he's done or

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Speaker 2: what he said. That is so egregious that she no

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Speaker 2: longer exists in this country. So keep that in mind

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Speaker 2: as well. Let me go ahead and play Secretary of State.

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Speaker 2: Mark or Rubio, also giving his justification, sounding some similar

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Speaker 2: notes to Tom Homan. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: When you come to the United States as a visitor,

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Speaker 5: which is what a visa is, which is how this

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Speaker 5: individual entered this country as on a visitor's visa. Okay,

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Speaker 5: you are here as a visitor. We can deny you

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Speaker 5: us when you apply. Hi, I'm trying to get into

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Speaker 5: the United States on a student visa. I am a

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Speaker 5: big supporter of Hamas, a murderous, barbaric group that kidnaps children,

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Speaker 5: that rapes teenage girls, that takes hostages, that allows them

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Speaker 5: to die in captivity, that returns more bodies than live hostages.

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Speaker 5: If you tell us that you are in favor of

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Speaker 5: a group like this, and if you tell us when

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Speaker 5: you apply for your visa, and by the way, I

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Speaker 5: intend to come to your country as a student and

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Speaker 5: rile up all kinds of anti Jewish student anti Semitic activities.

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Speaker 5: I intend to shut down your universities.

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Speaker 6: If you told us all.

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Speaker 5: These things when you applied for a visa, we would

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Speaker 5: deny your visa. I hope we would. If you actually

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Speaker 5: end up doing that once you're in this country on

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Speaker 5: end up having a green card, not citizenship, but a

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Speaker 5: It's as simple as that. This is not about free speech.

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Speaker 5: This is about people that don't have a right to

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Speaker 5: be in the United States. To begin with, no one

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Speaker 5: You pay all this money to these high priced schools

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Speaker 2: So a few things to note there so far. He

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Speaker 2: says he's a quote unquote big supporter of Hamas. You know,

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Speaker 2: it seems like they just assume anyone who is like

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Speaker 2: just label as pro Hamas. But if we could put

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Speaker 2: D six up on the screen, Ryan drops like they've

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Speaker 2: been doing some digging into okay, like what did this

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Speaker 2: guy actually say and what was he all about. One

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Speaker 2: of the things that you hear repeatedly on like right

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Speaker 2: is that he called for the quote unquote total eradication

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Speaker 2: of Western civilization. Now, even if he did, I would say, hey,

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Speaker 2: protected speech that is vastly different from saying I'm a

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Speaker 2: Hamas supporter or even further, which again I think would

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Speaker 2: be protected speech. But there's no allegation he like provided

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Speaker 2: material support for Hamas or any other terrorist quote unquote organization.

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Speaker 2: But let's just parse the claim that he even is

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Speaker 2: Apparently they're getting that from an Instagram post from a

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Speaker 2: group that he was loosely affiliated with, that he had

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Speaker 2: have even have seen. So I want you to think

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Speaker 2: about that the government is using, in part, a post

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Speaker 2: that he was tangentially linked to that he potentially had

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Speaker 2: no even knowledge of to justify stripping detaining him. He's

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Speaker 2: now been, you know, flown down to Louisiana and held

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Speaker 2: and potentially supporting him like that is incredibly wild. And

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Speaker 2: you know, you may think this will never apply to you,

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Speaker 2: and it's all finding good, et cetera. But we have

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Speaker 2: seen two. I mean, the whole trajectory of post nine

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Speaker 2: been going step by step by step, taking away more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing about Rubio is keep saying. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: no one's saying that you can't do it, it's whether

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Speaker 1: And for what purpose?

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Speaker 3: That's the question that I really have around this is

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Speaker 3: why are the guy didn't commit a crime? Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: a leader of a group which some people didn't like. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know, there's a a lot of groups, a lot

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Speaker 1: I'm sure here on student visas too.

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Speaker 3: Are they all going to get kicked out if you're

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Speaker 3: the leader of the IDF soldier, you know whatever, a

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Speaker 3: former IDx soldiers on UCLA campus, that's good to go.

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Speaker 1: What are we doing here?

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Speaker 3: That's that's the big issue that I really have with

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Speaker 3: not only the precedent of deportation and really the invocation

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Speaker 3: of the I in s act against this person. And

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Speaker 3: because we have to remember he's saying is a serious

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Speaker 3: detriment to our foreign policy? What does that mean that

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Speaker 3: his presence here is a serious detriment to our foreign

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Speaker 3: policy with Israel. What Israel's going to cut off relations

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Speaker 3: with US over a campus protester in the United States.

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Speaker 2: So they're specifically saying we have a foreign policy priority

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Speaker 2: of combating anti Semitary.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So first of all, I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: that's true. But second, let's assume that it is true.

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Speaker 3: What definition, oh the definition which conflates like any criticism

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Speaker 3: of Israel with Semitism. The whole thing is preposterous. And

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Speaker 3: that's where the big problem that it all comes back

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Speaker 3: to is that we are having a debate here about

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Speaker 3: somebody who was here protesting the actions of a foreign government.

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Speaker 3: That I mean, even if you look back to the

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Speaker 3: Patriot Act era, at least then we were demonizing each

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Speaker 3: other over the actions of our government. This is something

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Speaker 3: so contrary to any of those ideals of even many

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Speaker 3: of the criticisms or whatever that they've made about free

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Speaker 3: speech overreach in the past, and just basic to the

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Speaker 3: I do have bad news. I mean, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: the government has good standing. I mean, there is the

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Speaker 3: basic truth here is you can revoke the visa of

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Speaker 3: whoever you want, but that's not The point is not

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Speaker 3: can you, it's should you? And for what purpose? And

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Speaker 3: I mean why? I can't get around either who picked

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Speaker 3: You know, like breaking windows? There's no argument on that one.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, you committed a crime here, bro, you

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Speaker 3: a quote student leader who has committed no actual crime,

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Speaker 3: been charged with nothing basically for statements. It's like, where

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Speaker 1: Not a green card?

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Speaker 2: Hold ye, because they thought.

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Speaker 3: Didn't So first they pick somebody who's on a green card,

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Speaker 3: not a student visa. Then they picked somebody who didn't

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Speaker 1: It's an open and shut case. But it's easy as hell.

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Speaker 3: To deport somebody for and a lot harder to argue against,

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Speaker 2: The other way to look at it, and I'm not

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Speaker 2: immigration judge shopping. That's why Khalil was flown all the

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Speaker 2: way to look at it is like, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: such a screw up. They should have picked someone who

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Speaker 2: committed a crime. It was on a student visa. It

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Speaker 2: I couldn't like say that it was that they didn't

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Speaker 2: have the right to do it, and it would right

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Speaker 2: present a much more, a much less profound a bridging

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Speaker 2: also he's just a sympathetic gu I'm about to show

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Speaker 6: Every day the mood spends in detention in Louisiana, as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why everyone's mad at him.

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Speaker 3: He's right, he worked like, what you're going to go

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Speaker 2: But even if you're the same First Amendment right, you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the expectation that you would be able

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Speaker 1: One. I think that you are a permanent live in reality.

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Speaker 2: You do have First Amendment rights and free speech rights.

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Speaker 2: op ed at Columbia who got like, you know, disciplined

436
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Speaker 2: by the Columbia University administration, et cetera. And so you

437
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 2: know this is this is the goal of this policy

438
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 2: is to make an example of him and to scare

439
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Speaker 2: people from speaking out on this issue. I don't know

440
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Speaker 2: if you saw this. This is crazy, just like side note,

441
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: but I think is sort of facilitating encouraged by this

442
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Speaker 2: crackdown from the Trump administration, which is the mayor of

443
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Speaker 2: Miami is trying to pull the lease of an independent

444
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Speaker 2: movie theater that dared to show the Oscar Award winning

445
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:29,959
Speaker 2: documentary about the occupied West Bank no other land they

446
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: you know, they had a screening of it, and now

447
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 2: he's trying to pull the lease so that this theater

448
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: is destroyed. Like this climate is insane. It really is

449
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 2: not safe for anyone to offer, you know, their criticism

450
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: of a foreign government and to have this this crackdown

451
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: in this spectacle and use Machmud Khalil, who again committed

452
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Speaker 2: no crimes. We've been offered no evidence even that he was,

453
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Speaker 2: you know, a supporter of Hamas or anything. They just

454
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Speaker 2: assume he is because he was pro Palestinian. Like, it's

455
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Speaker 2: it's ountrageous. People should be discussed by it.

456
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Speaker 1: I don't.

457
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Speaker 3: I have no disagreement that this is not what should happen.

458
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Speaker 3: But I also think if you're an international student and

459
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Speaker 3: if you value your presence here in the United States,

460
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 3: Joanni Cobb is correct and that you like it's like,

461
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Speaker 3: what point do you want maybe if you want to

462
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: create a spectacle of yourself getting deported. Okay, fine, but

463
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,439
Speaker 3: you know you should be honest to about that. I

464
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Speaker 3: just see Cobb getting attacked over this. He is correct.

465
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Speaker 3: The government has immense power.

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Speaker 1: I really just.

467
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Speaker 3: Don't know what reality people are living in. One for hipocrisy, Like, yeah,

468
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Speaker 3: you're right, are these the Jewish student safety? Is that

469
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Speaker 3: all bullshit? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: One? Elections have consequences.

471
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Speaker 3: I mean, who do you think one the election is

472
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Speaker 3: now setting this standards.

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Speaker 2: We as a marri was told this was the free

474
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Speaker 2: speech party. I mean, Chris censorship, government censorship was going

475
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Speaker 2: to be the past.

476
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Speaker 3: You can all point hipocrisy in all directions and nobody

477
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Speaker 3: is truly ideological consistent.

478
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Speaker 1: I think this is bad, you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that a lot of conservative free

480
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Speaker 3: speech people are either humiliated by this silent and or

481
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 3: showing themselves despite getting filthy rich off of talking about

482
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: identity politics and cancel culture, are now cheering this on.

483
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you should, you know, absolutely speak out against them

484
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: and vote with your dollars or your eyeballs or how

485
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Speaker 3: say you to speak. But I also think these students

486
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 3: are going to get shit advice if they're being told

487
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Speaker 3: like we're going to protect you nobody can protect you

488
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Speaker 3: against the government and against visa like you're not in government, No,

489
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 3: but you are not. This is this is where I

490
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 3: get annoyed. You're not an American citizen. At the end

491
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Speaker 3: of the day, we can you can kick you out

492
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Speaker 3: no matter what. You should take that intoidation true.

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Speaker 2: Those Soccer permanent residents, Oh, you have to do almost

494
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Speaker 2: all the same rights.

495
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Speaker 3: As he can be offered due process to do progress,

496
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Speaker 3: and he will get it and he will still.

497
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Speaker 2: The other thing Soccer is that they invented like it's

498
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: not like this provision has been routinely used and everyone

499
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Speaker 2: should know that, like Marco Rubio can just decide that

500
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Speaker 2: you're a threat to our national security, which is utterly preposterous.

501
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: The idea that Mackmud Khalil is undermining our global fight

502
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Speaker 2: against anti Semitism, which, by the way, nothing is sparking

503
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Speaker 2: more anti Semitism than Israel's genocide and Gaza and are

504
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: enabling of it. So you know, maybe there's some people

505
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Speaker 2: who need to be deported for the way that they're

506
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Speaker 2: sparking anti Semitism with their approach to all of this.

507
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Speaker 2: But putting all of that aside, this has almost never

508
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Speaker 2: been used in this way, like, I don't know that

509
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 2: it has ever been used in this way. So again,

510
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: the legal theory is not at all settled. You do

511
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Speaker 2: have rights as a permanent resident Green card holder. Makmu

512
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: did not do anything wrong here whatsoever. And if it was,

513
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 2: the shoe was on the other foot. And you had

514
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris saying that anti racism is

515
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Speaker 2: one of our foreign policy goals, Well they did so,

516
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Speaker 2: and we're going to deport anyone who is either on

517
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Speaker 2: a student visa or a Green card holder who is

518
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Speaker 2: a Trump supporter, because we believe Trump is racist in

519
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 2: his movement is racist, and this undermines our foreign policy.

520
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 2: That would also be insane, and the right would be

521
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: correctly up at arms, and it would be authoritarian, and

522
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Speaker 2: it would be an abridgment of free speech and First

523
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Speaker 2: Amendment rights. So yeah, this is an outrageous assault on

524
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Speaker 2: civil rights of everyone. Because if they can find some

525
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Speaker 2: little provision that they can hang their hat on to

526
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Speaker 2: try to revoke this guy's permanent resident status and deport him,

527
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Speaker 2: you don't think that they can find some little provision

528
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Speaker 2: that can criminalize your speech for saying something very similar

529
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Speaker 2: even if you are a US citizen, Like, they just

530
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Speaker 2: are pushing the bounds as much as they possibly can,

531
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Speaker 2: and there is not just nothing to protect people who

532
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Speaker 2: are from a foreign country, there is nothing to protect

533
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Speaker 2: anybody at this point.

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Speaker 3: Well, I see, that's where I just think that's not true.

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Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, you're right

536
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Speaker 3: that mood is due due process, but they can just

537
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Speaker 3: give him due process and still deport him. I mean, listen,

538
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Speaker 3: I hope that the legal theory doesn't end up correctly

539
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Speaker 3: because I don't want this definition of anti semitism to

540
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: stand period. I always hope that the Supreme Court would

541
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: be able to strike it down as an obvious overreach.

542
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 3: But that's just not really how they've interpreted the law

543
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 3: in the past whenever it does come to the ability

544
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Speaker 3: to have deportation proceedings against somebody else. And I understand

545
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 3: why people are getting upset. As I said, I think

546
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 3: the principle is really really bad. I guess I'm just

547
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 3: coming back to these international students seem to think that

548
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: they have a quote right to be here, to be

549
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 3: able to say what they want and also stay here.

550
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Speaker 3: And it's like, guys, nobody should be giving you that opinion, Like, really,

551
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Speaker 3: Jolani Cobb, I think was correct. You're not wrong that

552
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 3: they're hypocritical in terms of how they are phrasing all

553
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 3: this stuff about student safety. But I mean, if you

554
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 3: really believed all that, I didn't know what to tell you.

555
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 3: If it's pretty obvious from the beginning they got their

556
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: four hundred million dollars cut in. Of course this is

557
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 3: a reaction Robert Kraft Center for one hundred million dollars,

558
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: you think gives it to them for free? Like, what

559
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 3: do you think this whole thing is about?

560
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: Right?

561
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: This is a private money making scheme that's basically I guess,

562
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Speaker 3: built on idealism and shelling out eighty thousand dollars a year. So,

563
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: if anything, it's more like removing the veneer of where

564
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 3: all this is about. But I also don't think that

565
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 3: this is necessarily I'm not saying this isn't an assault

566
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Speaker 3: on free speech, on free speech principles, but it is

567
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 3: still fundamentally different than a United States citizen. You know,

568
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: if a United States citizen is having their actual rights

569
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Speaker 3: abridged by the government as a result of what they

570
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: say about a foreign about a foreign conflict, that's genuinely

571
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: another matter whenever it comes to this, and I don't

572
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: think that Trump administration will go there because everybody knows

573
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Speaker 3: that that would be that would be categorically one hundred

574
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Speaker 3: times more insane than what's happening here.

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Speaker 2: Last point, there is a distinction because he's a Green

576
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Speaker 2: card holder and not an American citizen. However, he does

577
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Speaker 2: have this and that's why this is dangerous abridgment of

578
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Speaker 2: everyone's First Amendment rights, because he does have the same

579
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Speaker 2: First Amendment rights that an American citizen has. That why,

580
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Speaker 2: I mean, what we've seen since the passage of the

581
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: Patriot Act is step by step, by step by step,

582
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: more and more civil liberties taken away. And so if

583
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: this abridgment of his First Amendment rights, which again are

584
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: the same as yours and mine, if that is allowed

585
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: to stand, yes, that has potential reverberating impacts on American

586
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: citizens as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think it's a fair point.

588
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll continue to cover the proceedings because the point

590
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: there is still very important for what the court case

591
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 3: actually decides, as I hope that they strike it down specifically,

592
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: this anti semitism definition. There is nothing stupider than that.

593
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: And don't forget there have been previous legal challenges. Abby

594
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: Martin successfully challenged that BDS law in Georgia. I hope

595
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: it becomes a national standard and I would love to

596
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: see it. There's nobody who would like it more than me.

597
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: But I do think it's you know, you're playing with

598
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: fire too. Whenever you're going up against the US government,

599
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 3: why don't we get to the Democrats?

600
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we had Melissus Lukin, who I don't know

601
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Speaker 2: what these people are thinking, but former spook who is

602
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: now being offered as like the new faith of the

603
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. She gave the response to Trump's State of

604
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Speaker 2: the Union and longed for the days of Ronald Reagan.

605
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you just can't make this up now. She

606
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: had a guest appearance on The View where she talked

607
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Speaker 2: about her view of the country and what's going on

608
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Speaker 2: right now politically. Let's go ahead and take a listen

609
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Speaker 2: to that.

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Speaker 8: I think there's a feeling in the country. But I

611
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 8: always often say this. You know, we're about to turn

612
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Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty years old, right, We're still pretty.

613
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Speaker 2: Young for a country.

614
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Speaker 8: These are our like our angry teenage years, right, we

615
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 8: are going through this push and pull where we're happy,

616
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Speaker 8: we're sad, we want this, we want that. And what

617
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Speaker 8: do you do when you have a teenager who's threatening

618
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Speaker 8: themselves and others. You just try to get them through

619
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Speaker 8: this period alive so that their brain can fully form

620
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Speaker 8: and you can come back to kind of what the

621
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Speaker 8: country I'm talking about, our country, we're a pendulum swinging,

622
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 8: we're mondulum swinging. And so for me, I think that

623
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Speaker 8: this I don't think there's a single American who feels

624
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Speaker 8: like this is normal.

625
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Speaker 2: H And you know she workshopped that shit. Yeah, like

626
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: she really thought she was gonna nail it with that one.

627
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: And it's like that's pretty insulting.

628
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your reaction. I'll tell you what brought to

629
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Speaker 2: mind for me.

630
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it's just like deeply insulting and elitist

631
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 3: trying to talk down to people in general. What you

632
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: want to do as a politician, and I would struggle

633
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: with this is meet people where they are. As evidence

634
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 3: by my old age comments during the Social Security I

635
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: can say that I'm a commentator, but you're not supposed

636
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: to talk about this stuff as if you are some

637
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: child who is easily swayed and not actually taking your

638
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: concern seriously. I think that was the real problem, not

639
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: only with her comments, but also in the diagnosis of

640
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Speaker 3: what the problem to address there is, Because if it

641
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: is purely an emotional problem, then you have to meet

642
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: it only with emotion and with rhetoric. If it was

643
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: a problem and a reaction against policy decisions or the

644
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 3: conditions of our lives, then the appropriate diagnosis is very,

645
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 3: very different in the way that you would meet those twos.

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00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of how I saw it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's so I read a lot

648
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Speaker 2: into it, actually, because I mean, just knowing her ideology,

649
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: like she's just like you know, a standard establishment downlib

650
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Speaker 2: whatever number one. If it's if it's just the angry

651
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: teenage years, it's just like something that naturally occurs that

652
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Speaker 2: you just have to let it run its course and

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Speaker 2: get to the other side. And it's like, well, then

654
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Speaker 2: you are completely avoiding the root causes of what led

655
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Speaker 2: the country to be in such tunnel. You know, you're

656
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: completely avoiding the way the Iraq War radicalized people, the

657
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: way that the financial crisis screwed people, over the way

658
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: that neoliberal failures to improve the material conditions of people

659
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Speaker 2: for them to be able to afford like a basic, stable,

660
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: middle class life. The way that it's stripped apart communities. Like,

661
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Speaker 2: if this is just a natural thing that you have

662
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Speaker 2: to go through, then there's no blame to a sign

663
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Speaker 2: of how we ended up here. That's number one. And

664
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Speaker 2: number two, there's nothing you really have to do to

665
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: deal with it either. It's like, oh, well, they'll just

666
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, after a period of time, they'll get it

667
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: onto their system and their hormones will calm down and

668
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: they'll go back to being you know, normal human beings.

669
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Speaker 2: It's like, no, actually, there needs to be a reckoning.

670
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,959
Speaker 2: There needs to be a reckoning specifically within the Democratic

671
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: Party and their betrayals and their you know, coziness with

672
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: a billionaire class that has led them astray from your

673
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: core mission that used to be delivering for working class people.

674
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: You know, it leads you to that conclusion of like

675
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: a James carvill of like just let them punch themselves

676
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: out and don't really do anything and listen. Politically, maybe

677
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: because they're betting on things are going to be a

678
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: disaster for Trump. Maybe it's possible, you know, it's not

679
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: looking that great for him right at this moment. It's

680
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: not looking great for Republicans right at this moment, especially

681
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: since Trump probably can't run for another term again and

682
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: there's no one else who has really a little like

683
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: charisman star power to pull off the things that he's

684
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: able to pull off. But in terms of actually, you know,

685
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 2: building a durable majority, delivering for people, there has to

686
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: be a true reckoning within the party. And so in

687
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: addition to I think you're right about the sort of

688
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: like connescession sension elitism that comes from this, which is

689
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 2: ironic because she's being pitched as like, oh, she's from Michigan,

690
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: so she really understands people. Whatever. But I also, to me,

691
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: the bigger problem is it lets everybody off the hook,

692
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: both from the root causes and for what needs to

693
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: happen now to write the ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I completely agree with that diagnosis. And it is interesting

696
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: too because that's how these more establishment folks seem to

697
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 3: be meeting the moment. You flagged a bunch of moments

698
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 3: here from Gavin Newsome and Steve Bannon on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I just want to set this up a

700
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: little bit before we get to greasy Gavin and sloppy

701
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: Steve here. So this is I think the order is.

702
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: I think this is Gavin Newsom's third podcast of his

703
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 2: new series, which by the way, he is apparently using

704
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: campaign funds to promote it, which seems wrong to me,

705
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: but whatever, that's what's happening. And all three of them

706
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: have been right wing like commentators or influencers. You had

707
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was number one, Michael Savage, who's like a

708
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: right wing radio host I guess, was number two, and

709
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: then you have Steve Bannon. I think that's the right order.

710
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: So when I saw originally that that was the direction

711
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 2: he was going in, because the first two were announced

712
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 2: right away, so you knew he was leading off with

713
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: these conservative commentators, I was like, Oh, this is actually

714
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: really smart. He's going to get in there and he's

715
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: going to fight with them the way he did with

716
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Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis that was so popular with Democrats, And as

717
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: we discussed earlier in the show, I don't think that

718
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: the liberal base of the Democratic Party has like an

719
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: ideological priority right now. They just want to see someone

720
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Speaker 2: who can fight. And I am deeply worried because I

721
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: am not a Gavin Newsom fan that someone like him,

722
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Speaker 2: who has the rhetorical debate skills to pull off the

723
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: appearance of a fighter, could snow people into thinking like

724
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: this is the guy for the moment, He's got to

725
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: be our next nomine or whatever. But that is not

726
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: what happened. Instead, in each of these, and I've watched

727
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: a good chunk of all of them, it is so friendly.

728
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: It's so buddy buddy. Whoever it is the sitting or

729
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: whether it's Charlie Kirk or Michael Savage, Steve Bannon are

730
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: allowed to endlessly insult him number one, which is like

731
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: super cuck behavior with him just sort of like laughing

732
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: it off. And number two just like try to pitch

733
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: people on their ideological view with next to no pushback.

734
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Speaker 2: So as an example of that, I present to you

735
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Speaker 2: some snippets from Gavin Newsom and Steve Bannon here from

736
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Speaker 2: his most recent podcast, Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: Everything happening with the markets, everything happening with the with tariffs,

738
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Speaker 9: everything happening with cr and a potential government.

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00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 10: Don't don't be given tariff stinka. I don't want to

740
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Speaker 10: start off with stink. I already we'll streuss a terif

741
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Speaker 10: I'm a tariff guy.

742
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Speaker 9: I appreciate that, and we'll see, we'll see, we'll stress.

743
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Speaker 10: The purpose I want to do this is I want

744
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Speaker 10: to convert you to be a tariff guy. Also, this

745
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 10: is this is part of the process to unwind you

746
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 10: from being a globalist to make you a populis nationalist.

747
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Speaker 3: It's a long journey.

748
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Speaker 10: It's a long journey. It's a long journey, but I

749
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 10: think you'll get there.

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Speaker 9: This is part of the deprogramming, is it. I appreciate

751
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 9: And by the way, for the record, I'm going down

752
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 9: your rabbit hole right here. I'm not an absolutist as

753
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 9: it relates to being against terroriffts by any stretched the imagination.

754
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 9: And I thought it interesting where we what I think

755
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 9: Biden tripled tariffs on illumined and steel, which is getting

756
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Speaker 9: a lot of attention in this country today as relates

757
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 9: to Canada, and Democrats weren't screaming and yelling about that.

758
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: So that was kind of how things kicked off. At

759
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 2: another point, Yeah, super friendly and these oh and why

760
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: these democrats So like a vertical It's like, yeah, I

761
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 2: mean you see, you see what I'm talking about here.

762
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Speaker 2: There was another moment where where Bannon insists repeatedly that

763
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Speaker 2: the election was stolen from them in twenty twenty, and

764
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 2: even on that, which is like a core liberal priority.

765
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Speaker 2: Rebutting that, lie Gavin just kind of let's his slide.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 10: We learned after President Trump, and look, you know, we

768
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 10: disagree on this, but President Trump won the twenty twenty

769
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 10: election and we were kind of shattered as a movement

770
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Speaker 10: when he left Washington, d C. And we had to

771
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 10: go back to basics to say, you know, it can't

772
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 10: be somebody else do something. You know, we had to

773
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 10: do something, and that's where we went back to really

774
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 10: a pure populist movement, to go at the grassroots, the

775
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 10: precinct strategy and kind of rebuild ourselves from there.

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Speaker 9: Well, and I appreciate the notion of agency, that we're

777
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 9: not bystandards in the world. It's decisions, not conditions that

778
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 9: determine our fade in future, and that that that fundamental

779
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 9: notion of agency, I think is important more broadly, and

780
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 9: I think that goes to some of the issues around

781
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 9: you know, victimization, and I see a lot of that,

782
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 9: respectively on the right increasingly even with Trump off and

783
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 9: approaching things from that sort of mindset.

784
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 10: You what do you mean, what do you mean? What

785
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 10: do you mean?

786
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: For Trump?

787
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 9: I think there's sort of the grievance narrative that comes

788
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 9: from Trump, this this notion there is there's sort of

789
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 9: a victim.

790
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 10: But they did try to they did try They did

791
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 10: try to put him in prison for three hundred years, right,

792
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 10: they did.

793
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Speaker 1: Try to bang rupt.

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Speaker 10: That's a guy it never had ever had a set

795
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 10: of grievances. They did steal, according to us, and we're

796
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 10: firm believes it's the twenty twenty election, which I think

797
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 10: worked out better that providentially that he was able to

798
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 10: come back with that gap, because I think you're seeing

799
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 10: a much more uh not just do and improved, but

800
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 10: somebody that's much more in commanding these decisions and really

801
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 10: stepping up in a way that we could have never

802
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 10: done before.

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Speaker 2: So that's what's kind of the energy. I mean, listen,

804
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: I like, obviously we do this show. We believe in

805
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 2: people talking to people who have different opinions than them.

806
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: But it's just profoundly interesting to me how much Gavin

807
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: Newsom is misreading the moment for the Democratic base, because

808
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: clearly he wants to run for president clearly this podcast

809
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: is about setting him up for that, and he is

810
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 2: really disqualifying himself in the eyes of many Democratic base

811
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: voters because of the Patty Cake's way that he approached

812
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Speaker 2: these conversations. And the other thing that jumps out at

813
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Speaker 2: me too saga is like, first of all, Steve Bannon

814
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: is very smart. Steve Vannon has a knows what his

815
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: ideology is, knows the world that he wants to see made,

816
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: knows how he wants to convert people over to that

817
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: worldview and ideology, and a just sort of like empty

818
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: ambition driven neoliberal like Gavin Newsom, who I think really

819
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: doesn't have much of an ideology to speak of as well,

820
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Speaker 2: Like you're no match for that because you don't number one,

821
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Speaker 2: you don't really care and number two, like you some

822
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: kind of ideology is going to be no ideology every day,

823
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Speaker 2: and so instead of using your platform to offer a

824
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: different vision, you know, and you can do that in

825
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: a way that's not like ugly and like it doesn't

826
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: have to be personal. But if you're not offering any

827
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: sort of competing vision, you're just giving up space for

828
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: Steve Bannon to make to make more converts.

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Speaker 3: Effectively, I don't know what Gavin's strategy is here. I mean,

830
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Speaker 3: maybe it's that he's got a nice smile and he's

831
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Speaker 3: the governor of the biggest state, and maybe he thinks he,

832
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, these liberals I mean, for being honest, are

833
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: going to vote for him anyways if he does win

834
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Speaker 3: the nomination, So maybe he doesn't need them necessarily and

835
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Speaker 3: he can.

836
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Speaker 2: He's got to win a Democratic primaries, right, and there's

837
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: going to be a crowded field.

838
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

839
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Speaker 3: I mean, he look, I'm saying from his perspective, his

840
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: perspective is what is that. Okay, we just had an

841
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: election where we didn't win the popular vote. I've got

842
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: to try and have some inroads here with the dudes

843
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: and with the other people who are more maga possible friendly,

844
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Speaker 3: show them that I'm not some horrible monster and that

845
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Speaker 3: I'm nice and greasy, you know, and I can give

846
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 3: it to them what they need, while also maybe in

847
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: the future giving the Democratic base what it needs.

848
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Speaker 1: Are there really going to.

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Speaker 3: Be boomers in Iowa who aren't going to vote for

850
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Speaker 3: Gavin because he had Steve Bannon on his podcast a

851
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: little bit skeptical right eighteen months from now, wrong about that.

852
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Speaker 1: Which we've got two more years to go. It's been

853
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: fifty days. I mean, my just an eternity.

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Speaker 2: My theory is that the way politicians conducted themselves right now,

855
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 2: when it was uncertain and when it was difficult because

856
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: they did just suffer a defeat is going to be

857
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: a critical litmus test in twenty twenty eight because that

858
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: is the way that the Democratic base has really aligned

859
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: itself up to this point, where again I wish it

860
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,919
Speaker 2: was more ideological. It's not most of the people, not all,

861
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: but most of the people who are filling in the

862
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: gap of being those fighters happened to be on the left.

863
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: Happened to be people like Bernie Sanders, you know, AOC

864
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: has been very vocal. Olt Green is another person who's

865
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Speaker 2: really you know, I mean, he's not going to be

866
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Speaker 2: running for president or whatever, but I'm just saying, like

867
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Speaker 2: Maxwell Frost is another one who's been outspoken, and people

868
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: feel like, Okay, this is someone who's at least trying

869
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: to put up a fight, et cetera. Rashida Zlieb. Certainly,

870
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: in any case, most of the people who have emerged

871
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 2: to fill that gap happened to be on the left.

872
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: But I was fearful that a Gavin Newsom, who is

873
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: very rhetorically skilled, who was very effective in that debate

874
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: against Rhonda Santasie and Conservatives, had to admit, like I

875
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: handled himself pretty well there. If he had these people

876
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 2: on and he fought with them, I think he would

877
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: be unstoppable in twenty twenty eight. And so I'm actually

878
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: glad in a sense that he's approaching it this way.

879
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: And what I attributed to you, Sager is I think

880
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: he's in these Silicon Valley donor circles where they're jealous

881
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 2: of the right. You know, it's the same people like

882
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffries was talking to, and they want the more

883
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: like conciliatory capitulate like make nice. That's the approach that

884
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: they want. There is a big divide between that, like

885
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: donor base of the Democratic Party, especially the Silicon Valley

886
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: donor base of the Democratic Party, and where the Democratic

887
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: base is and what they want to see. And I

888
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: can promise you he is misreading the moment for the

889
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: Democratic base in order to win a Democratic primary, like

890
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: in an unbelievable way. So if you think about like

891
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: the viewers of Brian Tyler Cohen. If you think about

892
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: the Midas Touch brothers, like they in particular have been

893
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: disgusted with him, their viewers are disgusted with him, and

894
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: that's where the energy in the party is right now.

895
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: I just think that's why I read it.

896
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: I don't you're right, because who's got better political judgment,

897
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: the left or you know.

898
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: My point is this isn't the left. And that's what

899
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: I think Gavin Newsom is reading it as as well,

900
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: because he thinks, oh, these are just like the BIRDI

901
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: people are always mad about everything whatever, Shut up, right,

902
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: you people vote for him by the last time around.

903
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: But it's the difference is and this is what I

904
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: think the Democratic Party is not is not understanding and

905
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: it's really failing on, is that it's not just the

906
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: left telling you it's the indivisible groups. It's the core,

907
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: like the people who went to the Women's march. It

908
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: is the core Democrat. You go to your average Democratic

909
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 2: county party meeting and it's flooded with regular normy Democrat voters.

910
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Like the median voter in the party is disgusted with

911
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: party leadership for not putting up enough of a fight.

912
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: And I think that's where They are profoundly misreading their

913
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 2: own voters because they think that it's still just like, oh,

914
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 2: the Bernie people know this is like, this is your

915
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: MSNBC watcher. These are the people who have flooded to

916
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: Midas touched, the people that have flooded to Brian Tyler Cohen,

917
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: your normy resistance Democrat that thinks that Chuck Schumer and

918
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: Hakeem Jeffries need to resign yesterday, that are thoroughly disgusted

919
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 2: with the Patty Cakes, with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon

920
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: and Michael Savage and whatever, and are really looking for

921
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 2: something different than what the Democratic leadership are.

922
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: Providing right now. Maybe that's certainly possible.

923
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm ready to not ready to count Gavin

924
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: out yet. I mean, you don't count him out, you

925
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: don't become governan statement.

926
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 2: He is hurting himself. He is hurting himself right now.

927
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm just not ready. I don't know. I mean, part

928
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: of me, part of the reason.

929
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: I'll just explain this because this is difficult, and there's

930
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: a lot of data necessarily to back you up. But

931
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: every online Democratic freak out and or vibe trend that

932
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: I've seen from the liberals has never really worked out,

933
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: and in general you'd be probably better off over the

934
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: last five years betting against anything that AOC and Burnie

935
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: and all of them are fighting on than being on

936
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 3: the side of them. So if you look at the

937
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 3: social trends, if you look at from you know, wokeism

938
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: to BLM to what I mean, I go on forever

939
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 3: defending Biden, which a lot of them did, pro Kamala, Vibe,

940
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: shift Brat Summer, Tim Walls. None of these bets have

941
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: worked out. So I just am skeptical that this time

942
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 3: their grand political judgment is there as opposed to the

943
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 3: great survivors like Schumer and Gavin Newsom in the interim.

944
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 3: You might be correct, but their political judgment and track

945
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 3: record is bad, especially in the back you know, from

946
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: the last five to seven years of overall.

947
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: Political political judgement. I mean survived. Recall he survived.

948
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: Recall he's got a got a high enough approval rating

949
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 3: for listen. I don't know how they put up with

950
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: him over there, but that they're you know, the people

951
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: who don't they just left.

952
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: I guess they moved to Florida, but they like him.

953
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 3: I don't really get it, but it's not I'm not

954
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: making a judgment about myself. I'm looking purely at the

955
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: guy's metrics. He seems to be doing fine. He's got

956
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: a decent approval rating with a lot of Democrats. So

957
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: my only point is just like, I'm skeptical that we're

958
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 3: once again trying to see some wish cast of you

959
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 3: know what, progressives and liberals have a very good way

960
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: of shaping a narrative through media and through you know,

961
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 3: Twitter and et cetera, into believing things are way more

962
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: popular than they actually don't, and there's no electoral evidence

963
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: to back any of that up.

964
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: Who do you think is going to be voting in

965
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 2: a Democrat?

966
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Listen, I don't know Imary.

967
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 2: I mean that you have to appeal to Okay, by.

968
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: That standard, then Bernie would have won because.

969
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: Liberals were not behind him soccer liberal. I'm that's that's

970
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: what you're missing, and that's what he's missing. Is I'm

971
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: not talking about the you know, Bernie Sanders voter. Yes,

972
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: they're pissed off. Whatever they're going to be, you know, both,

973
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 2: they're going to be looking at it from an ideological valiance.

974
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: So I'm talking about your standard normy Democrat, like the

975
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 2: base of the party, and that is what is so different.

976
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why these channels are blowing up massively.

977
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: How do we know that that disaffected people are barely

978
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 3: not going to vote anyway? Like I'm just again, I'm

979
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 3: not saying that that doesn't exist, But I have no

980
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 3: idea what the sixty five year old boomer out there

981
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 3: and how they're exactly is taking me to you taking

982
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 3: the pole.

983
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: Put no stock in the fact that listen, I know

984
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: polls can be off blah blah blah, but the Democratic

985
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 2: leadership being underwater with the Democratic base forty nine percent

986
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: disapproval of forty percent approval, that's so different, wildly different.

987
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: I put some stocks and that is that is, you know,

988
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 2: your normy Democrat voter, like they are flooding these offices

989
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: with calls. They are enraged by the capitulation from Joe

990
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: Amika and MSNBC and the Washington Post and Chuck Schumer

991
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: and Hakeem Jeffries like that is a very different dynamic

992
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 2: than we have seen before. And so my prom my

993
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: contention here is simply that Gavin Newsom has an opportunity

994
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: to make himself invincible in twenty twenty eight, because I

995
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 2: do think he has a lot of the things going

996
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: for him that you're you know, he's got plenty of

997
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 2: money behind him, he's a smooth operator, all that stuff.

998
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 2: But rather than making himself invincible, because if he came

999
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: out as this like fighter in this moment, I think

1000
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: he would be very difficult to beat in twenty twenty eight. Instead,

1001
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 2: I think that these he is positioning himself in a

1002
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: way that hobbles him with the Democratic base. And I

1003
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: feel really confident about that now. Is that a guarantee, No,

1004
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: of course not. But is he doing damage to himself

1005
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: when he had an opportunity to sort of make it,

1006
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: make himself an unstoppable force. Yeah, I do think so.

1007
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know.

1008
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to make the judgment call yet. I

1009
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: just I just don't trust the political judgment of a

1010
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 3: lot of the folks who I see at the Helm

1011
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: right now. They've just had a terrible track record. And

1012
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 3: you know, by the way, forty percent approval is still

1013
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 3: higher than a lot of Republicans feel about their leadership,

1014
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: and those people survive all the time, and they continue

1015
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: to win elections. So I'm not saying they aren't necessarily different,

1016
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: but you could go much lower. And I still think

1017
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: that things could be I just don't think things will

1018
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: necessarily manifest in the same way will he be invincible.

1019
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 3: He's making different bets in terms of how he sees

1020
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 3: the coalition. Like maybe there's also something to be said

1021
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: about somebody who wants to run for president as opposed

1022
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 3: to somebody who just needs a bunch of Libs to

1023
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 3: show up in a low turnout midterm situation that actually

1024
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 3: is qualitatively different for the overall base. I don't know,

1025
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: you know who exactly or what is correct. I'm just

1026
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: I always just think it's important to put that caution

1027
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: out there, Like, look at the political track record of

1028
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 3: these people, and it's terrible. It's not one that has

1029
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 3: worked out at the ballot box. And so with that

1030
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: you should think about that in the future. They could

1031
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 3: be correct this time, but they just don't have enough

1032
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: of they don't have enough going for them in the

1033
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 3: past for me to make any like real.

1034
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: Trust in their overall political judgment.

1035
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 3: I think it's definitely working to raise money online to

1036
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,959
Speaker 3: get a bunch of liberals who already hate Trump, you know, excited, Sure,

1037
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 3: that's not hard actually though, what's actually hard is to

1038
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 3: win an election, which they've been completely unable to do well.

1039
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 2: Put a pin in it. Yeah, but again, I think

1040
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 2: you're focusing on like AOC and Bernie and that's not

1041
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: actually what I'm talking about, talking about the mainstream of

1042
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: the party, which you definitionally need in order to win

1043
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 2: a democratic part.

1044
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: Sure, but then there's no mainstream or elected official who

1045
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: has access to probably more privileged data than you or

1046
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 3: I that is acting in the way that you're describing,

1047
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 3: which is what makes me a little bit skeptical that

1048
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 3: any of this is real. I mean, there are a

1049
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 3: lot of political entry. These are the most opportunist pieces

1050
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: of egotistical people in the world.

1051
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 2: I have a whole other can of worms. But Tim

1052
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 2: Walls is moving in more of the direction way. He's

1053
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: going out and doing town halls following and sort of

1054
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: like the Burnie model in Republican red districts. So, I mean,

1055
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: this is the other thing. It's like the Newsome approach

1056
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: is also a very elitist approach versus the let me

1057
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 2: go out and not talk to like Charlie Kirk and

1058
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: Steve Bannon, let me go out and talk to voters

1059
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: in these places that you know we've lost and that

1060
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: we need to win back, and in swing districts and

1061
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: in red parts of the country. And you know, I

1062
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: also think that that is a much better approach, going

1063
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: to the grossroots and talking to regular people about what's

1064
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: going on for them, versus talking to you know, making

1065
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: nice with the right.

1066
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 5: Right.

1067
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: That's kind of my point is that what we're trusting

1068
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: the political judgment and one of the only two Democrats

1069
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 3: in the world to lose a popular vote election in

1070
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 3: twenty years, Like, I don't trust that person, you know,

1071
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 3: to look at their overall political judgment. I'm just saying,

1072
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, whenever you look at somebody like him, it's

1073
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: like what you're going to put up?

1074
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Like we do. We really want to point to who's

1075
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: the guy lost in ninety two.

1076
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 2: Dan Quayle, you're gonna trust trust got recalled in California.

1077
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: Democrat who called in California.

1078
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: I listen, I wish he almost got recalled. It was

1079
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: blew it out here.

1080
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: I think they even made it to that point though.

1081
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 2: It's crazy, like you trust that, you think that guy

1082
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 2: is the political genius?

1083
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 3: No, But I mean between the two, I would pick

1084
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 3: av There's no way I would be on Tim Walls

1085
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 3: after his track record. But I guess that's a separate

1086
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: conversation for another day. Let's get to Southwest, shall we.

1087
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: I wanted to put this in the story. As people know,

1088
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: I love to fly. I've always hated Southwest Airlines, but

1089
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: I have understood its place in the market, which is,

1090
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: if you have a family, particularly a big family, it's

1091
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: a great airline to fly. Why because of open seating

1092
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: and because of the no checked it back, no paid

1093
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 3: bags policy. Well, they're doing a way with all of that.

1094
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. I just

1095
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 3: think this is a very sad development for the overall

1096
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 3: airline marketplace. Southwest Airlines will begin charging customers fee to

1097
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 3: check bags, abandoning the decades long practice that executives had

1098
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: described last fall as differentiating the budget carrier from its rivals.

1099
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: For years, it has built all of its advertising campaign

1100
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 3: around the fact that you get up to two check

1101
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: bags for free and open seating, making it very accessible

1102
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 3: to families. What's especially ironic is that just last fall,

1103
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: as we said, let's put this on the screen, the

1104
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: quote Chief Transformation Officer of Southwest airlines had said, we

1105
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 3: are more likely to lose money if we start charging

1106
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 3: for bags. So what did they do. They fired this

1107
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: guy and decided to do it anyways. And this comes

1108
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 3: after ditching the open seating policy, which will go into

1109
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 3: effects soon, which means that they're trying to milk customers

1110
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 3: just like every other airline in the entire country. The

1111
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: reason why I'm sad about this is it just shows

1112
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 3: you that if you're like a family of four, you

1113
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: have no choice anymore.

1114
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: Because with Southwest they had family boarding. They had the

1115
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: up to.

1116
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: Two check bag policy, which was great for people who

1117
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: flying to Disney World or whatever, and they needed to

1118
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: check you two strollers and whatever other things the kid

1119
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: needs whenever you're flying, and they were able to board

1120
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 3: a little bit early, was less stressful, and it would

1121
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 3: be a moderate price. Now you basically have the worst

1122
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: of all worlds, where you're getting an up charge for

1123
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,479
Speaker 3: a seat, you're getting up charge for boarding, you're getting

1124
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: up charge for your bags, and the base airline fare

1125
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: is still comparably high enough to American airlines Delta and United.

1126
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: And as one of the.

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00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: People who flies on the Big Three, the reason you

1128
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: do it is to get miles that are transferable with

1129
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: international carriers. So not only you do not get access

1130
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 3: to a large alliance in the way that you would

1131
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 3: on any of the Big Three, your subject now to

1132
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: the exact same fees. I guess the only reason at

1133
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: this point to fly it would be if it has

1134
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: a preferential route that you're doing and you just want

1135
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 3: to subject yourself. But it is no longer the differentiated

1136
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 3: carrier that it once was, which genuinely made it beloved

1137
00:55:58,920 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 3: by a lot of people.

1138
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I just think it's a very sad development.

1139
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. When when my oldest was a baby and I

1140
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: was flying a lot, I always flew Southwest because of

1141
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 2: the lake. Yeah yeah, and it was nice to be able.

1142
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: Well they have the you know, you get to get

1143
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: on first and you pick your siege, and it was

1144
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: very family friendly. So rip.

1145
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, the check bag policy is gone, and it just

1146
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 3: so not only that is you really have to consider

1147
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 3: that with a base price of like four hundred dollars,

1148
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: that means now that you're paying sixty if again family

1149
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 3: for you means sixteen hundred bucks plus how much fifty

1150
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: bucks or so for bags, And then if you want

1151
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: board first, good luck, you know, as far as I know,

1152
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 3: with this whole family boarding thing, and then you're looking

1153
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 3: at skyrocketing hotel prices and then Disney tickets. We're racking

1154
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: up three four thousand dollars now at this point, and

1155
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: the price of it has now gotten so out of

1156
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: control that you're watching in real time make it less accessible.

1157
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 3: And I keep coming back to the Wall Street Journal

1158
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: thing that we were talking about the reason why this

1159
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 3: is all happening is that the converse of all of

1160
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: this is that the air lines are actually.

1161
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: Making a ton of money.

1162
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 3: Put F five please up on the screen, because you

1163
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: can see here how much people are paying for how

1164
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 3: much airlines make from their baggage fees. They're making billions

1165
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 3: of dollars a year. And the reason why is that

1166
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 3: these airlines right now have found that as long if

1167
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: you make them the customer experience miserable for the mean

1168
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: fiftieth percentile, that the top ten percentile.

1169
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: Will spend any amount.

1170
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: Necessary to not suffer. So premium cabins exploding.

1171
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: I heard a lot of times they're on business accounts too, business.

1172
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: Not just the rich people. People have thing two three

1173
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars a year. People were flying to Europe

1174
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: all the time. Air France said they were shocked at

1175
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 3: the number of American customers that are willing to spring

1176
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 3: for full fare premium cabins. They're like, we've never seen

1177
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: anything like this, and they're making money hand over fists.

1178
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 3: If you fly international recently, you'll notice this. Those premium

1179
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 3: cabins are getting way bigger and the economy section is

1180
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 3: getting way shittier. And the reason why is that they can.

1181
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: They have found that they will make all of this

1182
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 3: money for just catering to the top ten percent of

1183
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 3: the US popular Nobody cares about.

1184
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: The middeier economy.

1185
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 3: This is the story. This is the America's story. So nowadays,

1186
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: like Spirit Airlines or you know, Southwest is just coming

1187
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: like the rest of them, which is like middling service,

1188
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: middling on time. But you know yet we'll up charge

1189
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: you for the bag or whatever and we're roughly the

1190
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: same price. So at this point you should just choose

1191
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 3: to fly based on if it's the most convenient place

1192
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: for your direction, or don't even be loyal to anyone carrier.

1193
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 3: Just go ahead and find like whatever the cheapest route

1194
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,479
Speaker 3: is for yourself, because it's bad out there. It's not good.

1195
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: I wanted to make sure we got that in the show,

1196
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: anything else before we go. Yep, right, it's a great

1197
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 3: show for everybody today. We'll see you all later