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Speaker 1: coax answers out of her, including the I never saw

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Speaker 1: anything untoward. Uh, it was so important to him to

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Speaker 1: get that on the record. But Trump seems to be

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Speaker 1: worried about something with Maxwell, when if he actually wanted

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Speaker 1: to keep his con up on Epstein, and let's assume

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume it's a con and you know, with Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's it's hard not to assume that. So let's I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna assume it's a con. He'd have been better off

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Speaker 1: playing he said, she said with her, and said he'd

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Speaker 1: and then made life tougher on her. And and if

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Speaker 1: and if she threatened to go public with stuff, let

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Speaker 1: her go public. She's the one sitting in prison. She's

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Speaker 1: got the credibility problem. And then if you were being

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Speaker 1: tough on her and she was then pushing back, it

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Speaker 1: could simply be she's squealing. But the fact he didn't

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Speaker 1: do that right, whatever he thinks, she knows, he seems

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Speaker 1: to be fearful enough of that. It's leveraged that she's

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Speaker 1: successfully used with him and with Todd Blanche and that's

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Speaker 1: why his story falls apart. Now again, does any of

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Speaker 1: this matter politically? Well, I go back to every republican's

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Speaker 1: been carrying around Trump baggage for a long time, and

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Speaker 1: in some ways they're now used to it. But when

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Speaker 1: the economy is as bad as it is right now

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Speaker 1: for so many people, and as frustrating of an economy

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Speaker 1: as this is, and that's what it is, it's a

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Speaker 1: you know, it's one of these things that you can

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Speaker 1: look at it statistically and say, well, this is going well.

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Speaker 1: Like I saw a stat today that said that publicly

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Speaker 1: traded companies are having one of the best years earning

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Speaker 1: wise that we've seen. Ninety two percent of them are

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Speaker 1: reporting earnings above the normal average. And you're just like wow,

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Speaker 1: And yet jobs are decreasing, not increasing, Right, So that

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Speaker 1: means Wall Street's being rewarded for or its efficiencies in

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Speaker 1: its companies. Wall Street's being as they as a company

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Speaker 1: should you make. Your productivity is up and your labor

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Speaker 1: costs are down. Good for you investors like that, But

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Speaker 1: that means there's a whole bunch of people in this

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Speaker 1: economy not succeeding. And so that's why it's very hard

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Speaker 1: to you know, when Trump's using the stock market as

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Speaker 1: a as a as proof that his economy is doing well,

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, you're you're you're with the hat your

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Speaker 1: your economy is working for the haves. Your economy is

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Speaker 1: not working for the have nots. And the irony is

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Speaker 1: that he built his political coalition on the have nots

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Speaker 1: very successfully and now he doesn't seem to care about

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Speaker 1: the have nots anymore. And that's where what when these

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Speaker 1: that's when I go back to Epstein for the longest time.

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Speaker 1: It is basically run into teflon don and has slid

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Speaker 1: off of him. Well, I think it's I think he

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Speaker 1: is now has a suit of velcrow on. More things

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Speaker 1: are sticking to him than ever before. Right, you've got

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Speaker 1: sleepy eyes Trump, now that's sticking to him. You've got

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Speaker 1: the medical issues. Huh, something's going on. If he passed

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Speaker 1: his MRI. You don't pass an MRI. But congratulations, I

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Speaker 1: guess you know you're not at You don't do an

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Speaker 1: MRI unless they're wondering what, unless they can't find the

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Speaker 1: problem of something that's bothering you. So you got that.

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Speaker 1: He's just doesn't seem healthy, doesn't look healthy, doesn't behave

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Speaker 1: low And you can see he's really aged a lot

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Speaker 1: in the last six months. Go look at clips from

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Speaker 1: April and then look at clips in the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: His voice is thinner. Maybe there are days that you

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Speaker 1: know you could just tell he there are days where

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Speaker 1: And of course when you're at a certain age, and

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Speaker 1: this happened with Biden just because things are fine six

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Speaker 1: months ago, you know this is one of those things.

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Speaker 1: At some point in your late seventies early eighties, you

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Speaker 1: can you know, you don't age at a at an

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Speaker 1: equal rate. Okay, you sort of go. You have fits

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Speaker 1: and starts, and then you know, we've seen that, I've

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Speaker 1: had elderly relatives where everything's fine, and then you don't

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Speaker 1: see him for six months and you're like, holy cow,

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Speaker 1: what happened to uncle Joe? Or I have a real

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Speaker 1: uncle Joe. So no, nothing's happened to uncle Joe. I

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Speaker 1: don't want uncle Joe. That isn't about about you. I

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Speaker 1: was just using like Jane, and I'll go uncle John, Doe.

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Speaker 1: I don't have an uncle John, so I'll do uncle John.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what happened uncle John? Or what happened

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Speaker 1: at Jane? And you know that happens in these three

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Speaker 1: and six months. And the point is is that you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like the you know, it's like in business, your

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Speaker 1: hockey stick moment, but going the wrong way, you're going along,

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Speaker 1: you're going along and all of a sudden, yep, it's

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Speaker 1: off a cliff. It just collectively feels like he has

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Speaker 1: now got a suit of valcrow. And so if we

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Speaker 1: have essentially six weeks of every couple of days there's

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Speaker 1: an Epstein development, which now there's going to be now

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Speaker 1: that this discharge petition has happened, they're going to have

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Speaker 1: weeks that will be there. Then you then it has

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Speaker 1: to go to the Senate. I you know, there was

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Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. Right, it's going to be an

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Speaker 1: interesting test. How many Republicans will there be thirty? Will

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Speaker 1: there be thirteen Republicans who joined forty seven Democrats to

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Speaker 1: force this release and force it on? Is you know,

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Speaker 1: for you know, have both the House and the Senate

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Speaker 1: have this? That's an interesting development. Is it a moment

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Speaker 1: where some Republicans decide, I need to show some independence

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Speaker 1: from Trump? Is this the safest place to do it? Right?

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Speaker 1: It could be the healthcare subsidies could be a way

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Speaker 1: that Republicans distance from Trump. The ruling when it comes

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Speaker 1: out likely saying that his his tariffs are unconstitutional. Is

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Speaker 1: that the moment? Is it the Epstein files? The point

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Speaker 1: look like a baby step right, just voting against him

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Speaker 1: on Epstein, or voting against him on tariffs, or voting

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Speaker 1: against them on health care subsidies. That suddenly what is

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Speaker 1: a trickle turns into uh, you know, a rush of

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Speaker 1: you well of water coming out of the faucet, essentially

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Speaker 1: trying to get away from him. So that's how I

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Speaker 1: think this story is potentially that you know, it's it's like, javert,

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Speaker 1: do you got him? Now? You know? It's it's the accumulation,

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Speaker 1: and it's the fact because of this sour economy, he

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Speaker 1: he's now wearing a suit with velcrow on it and

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Speaker 1: more things, more of this other stuff is now going

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Speaker 1: to start to stick to him because he didn't handle

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Speaker 1: the main thing. He was elected for one reason, and

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Speaker 1: one reason only bring down costs, and he's failing massively

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Speaker 1: at that, which means every other secondary issue becomes a

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Speaker 1: problem for that voter because they think, well, he can't

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Speaker 1: do this, well, he must be that. He must be that,

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Speaker 1: he must be that. And that's why this Epstein story

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Speaker 1: could be just yet another sign that the lame duck

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Speaker 1: status is now the You know, if you were to

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Speaker 1: go to Trump's Facebook page, he should change. He may

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Speaker 1: have to change his status to lame duck. So with that,

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Speaker 1: I'll sneak at a break and we'll bring in Adam Jennisen.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and I particularly enjoy your political analysis and

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Speaker 1: how you use American history explain what we are going

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Speaker 1: through towards that end. Have you watched Death by Lightning

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Speaker 1: on Netflix? I am in the middle of it. I

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Speaker 1: finished part one. It's four part series telling the story

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Speaker 1: up your ally, Max, You're right, and I will sort

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Speaker 1: of give you a little insight here. I've been obsessed

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Speaker 1: pitching a Netflix a Garfield series. And let's just say

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Speaker 1: I did on this. I have watched episode one. I've

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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. It is not the take I would have done.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not this is not to be critical. I

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to where they go. And that is

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Speaker 1: the beauty of this story. I'm I'm obsessed with the

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Speaker 1: period itself. Right this was we were so close to

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Speaker 1: getting reconstruction back. And I'm somebody who thinks a Garfield presidency,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Garfield presidency got a civil service reform,

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Speaker 1: which was not a small thing. Trump's actually trying to

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Speaker 1: the Trump now is trying to undo some of the

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Speaker 1: civil service reform that that Chester Arthur, who ends up

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Speaker 1: the you know, a forced vice president on by the

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Speaker 1: political machine in New York, ends up after the death

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Speaker 1: of Garfield, sort of sees the light and stops being

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Speaker 1: a cog in the Roscoe Conkling New York political machine

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Speaker 1: and actually pledges to fulfill a Garfield presidency. But I

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Speaker 1: think Garfield himself, had he lived, I think you might

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Speaker 1: have seen reconstruction come back. I think, you know, he

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Speaker 1: he was. He's the closest thing we've had to sort

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Speaker 1: of the out of nowhere president. Right. It's the you know,

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Speaker 1: can get the nomination with a speech. The reason the

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Speaker 1: mythology existed with conventions is because it happened once right,

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Speaker 1: James Garfield, right, his speech moved enough people to suddenly

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Speaker 1: start considering him because of this sort of deadlock when

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Speaker 1: it came to the Grant side and the machines and

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Speaker 1: all of this stuff. So, you know, Gettau and I

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Speaker 1: with delusions of grandeur who clearly had a troubled upbringing,

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Speaker 1: had a troubled relationship with his father. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of you know, not to play spoiler here,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Gaeto ends up trying to defend defends himself.

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Speaker 1: When the first real sort of feeding frenzied trial of

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Speaker 1: the century that the media was obsessed with was actually

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Speaker 1: the trial and the Geteau trial, which began before Garfield died.

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Speaker 1: Because Garfield's you know, Getau Getteau, you could argue didn't

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Speaker 1: kill Garfield. The doctors who didn't know what they were

639
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: doing killed Garfield, right they stuck There. There's a guy

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Speaker 1: named doctor Doctor and I haven't I don't know if

641
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: they're going to portray him or not, but the guy's

642
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: name really was doctor Doctor. Like sometimes you just can't

643
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: make it up, right, it's going to sound like it's

644
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: been fictionalized. But he didn't believe that you had to

645
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Speaker 1: wash your hands before you I mean, this was still

646
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: like debated medical science. Do you do you do? You do? You?

647
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Speaker 1: Should you wash your hands? Do you need a sterile

648
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: environment before you? You know? Which I know seems but

649
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: it was a guy there was this was so called

650
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Speaker 1: new medicine, new medical practices that was coming out of Europe,

651
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Speaker 1: and it was a guy named doctor Lister, which if

652
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Speaker 1: you're wondering if doctor Lister invented listerine, he did not.

653
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: But doctor Lister was sort of the godfather of this

654
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Speaker 1: sort of idea that you wash your hands and you

655
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: need a sterile environment before as a doctor, before you

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Speaker 1: give medical care. So Lister Reene was though named after

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Speaker 1: you know Lister, is that part. But no, the treatment,

658
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: the attempt to save Garfield's life killed him. It's possible

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Speaker 1: if nobody touched them that he that he might have

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00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: that the bullet wouldn't have killed them, and he might

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00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: have lived and recovered with the bullet in him. But

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00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: the attempt to get the bullet out actually killed him.

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00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: So but that's obviously stuff that you've scientifically figure out later,

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Speaker 1: which in the moment we didn't have. But I am

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00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: obsessed with the entire period. Again, it's interesting how they

666
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Speaker 1: chose to sell it, which is, here's two guys you've

667
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,280
Speaker 1: never heard of or you've forgotten, who have been forgotten

668
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Speaker 1: to history. One was the twentieth president of United States.

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Speaker 1: It was It's an interesting choice. I get it, they're

670
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: trying to mass appeal it, and I'm enjoying it. I

671
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: fully will confess I would have had a slightly different way.

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Speaker 1: I would have done it different way. I would have started.

673
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,439
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with what they did. And here's my goal.

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Speaker 1: I want this to be successful enough that there is

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Speaker 1: more appetite for more. I think Roscoe Conkling if you

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Speaker 1: want to go and read about one of the most

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Speaker 1: you know, the Mitch Mcca or Nancy Pelosi of their day,

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Speaker 1: and I say both right. He was a congressional leader.

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Speaker 1: Congressional leaders are both lionized and backroom transactionalists at the

680
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Speaker 1: same time. And don't let anybody tell you that you

681
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: got to have the mix of both of them. Conkling

682
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Speaker 1: was an interesting cat, and he's going to be portrayed

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Speaker 1: sort of, I think a bit simply here. It's less

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Speaker 1: simple than it is. But boy, is is he a

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Speaker 1: character that if there really was a demand for more

686
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: about this era, he could get his own mini series,

687
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Speaker 1: Like you could really develop something just on him. He's

688
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Speaker 1: that colorful of a character. And yes, the way they

689
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Speaker 1: have him dressing, he was always for the day, dressing

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Speaker 1: in brighter colors than everybody else. He was flamboyant man

691
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Speaker 1: about town. I don't think he ever spent a night alone,

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Speaker 1: so there's a it is you are right, max At,

693
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Speaker 1: It is up my alley. It was so up my alley.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make my own version of it. So there,

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00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: all right, But kudos to those guys, and thank you

696
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: Netflix for green lighting a period piece like that. There's

697
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 1: great history to be told through incredible storytelling, and I'd

698
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: love to see more production companies support stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Stafford from downtown la Hey. I've

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Speaker 1: been a fan since your days of Meet the Press,

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Speaker 1: and I'm loving the new podcast. Before my question, I

702
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: wanted to say that you appear to have done the impossible.

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00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: You've gotten me interested in both professional and college football.

704
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: Having grown up a Chargers fan, I had largely washed

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00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: my hands of the sport after nineteen ninety five. My

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Speaker 1: question is this, Can anything be done in the short

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Speaker 1: to medium term about electricity costs. I'm a school teacher

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Speaker 1: and my partner is a grad student at USC fight On.

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Speaker 1: We live in a one bedroom apartment in la and

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Speaker 1: while our incomes are enough to get by, it's starting

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Speaker 1: to pinch. I just opened our electric bill for a

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Speaker 1: single month and it's easily fifty percent more than we

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Speaker 1: were paying. A couple of years ago. I know data

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Speaker 1: centers are affecting energy prices, but more to it. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for all the wonderful analysis and for making your episodes lengthy.

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00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: I really get a lot of detail I can't get elsewhere. Sincerely,

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Speaker 1: Stafford from downtown LA. How about that somebody thanking me

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Speaker 1: for the length. I'm not gonna go Joe Rogan on you.

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Speaker 1: I promise no three hour podcasts. Right, Simmons pushes the

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Speaker 1: envelope in the two hour plus range. I'm going to

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00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: still try to keep a one in front of that

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Speaker 1: number on that front. So it's interesting with electricity, it's

723
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: such a complicated thing. I was digging into this, and

724
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Speaker 1: in fact, I'm going to be when you hear this.

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00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to be down in Austin, Texas, interviewing the

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Speaker 1: governor of Maryland, Wes Moore, and I was talking with

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Speaker 1: his staff about a few issues, and we were talking

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Speaker 1: about electricity, and I said, you know, I was asking

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Speaker 1: about the data center issue in Maryland and Maryland, doesn't

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Speaker 1: you know Virginia is a data center state? And he

731
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: was noting, how you know? He says, Maryland's a transmission state.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of electricity goes through our state

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Speaker 1: and we pass it through. And you know, some states

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Speaker 1: are elect energy producing and they add to the grid,

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Speaker 1: Others only take from the grid, Others help, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of. The grid itself is a complicated thing. California

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Speaker 1: has its own set of rules that only add to it,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those things that I think

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Speaker 1: that you know, we're we're in this. You know, elect

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Speaker 1: elect electric companies are are private companies, but they're but

741
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Speaker 1: they have to get public approval for what they do

742
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Speaker 1: and how they do it. And I think that we're

743
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Speaker 1: about to see, especially with the data center, you know,

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00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: obsession and drain, and it's a real issue in the

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Speaker 1: state I live in Virginia because it is like Virginia

746
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: is a huge got a bunch of data centers, and

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Speaker 1: we have some of the highest spikes in electricity. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to have to be some federal

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00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: legislation here because I do think that, you know, every

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00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: state is set up to try to regulate itself. Right,

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00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: You're in a state where they're using a lot of

752
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: air conditioning and there's always a high a little more

753
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: usage of energy, particularly in the southern part where you know,

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00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: they're constantly having to regulate it, and it is done

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00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: on a state basis, based on state usage. But if

756
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 1: we're going to have more of these sort of drags

757
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: on the grid coming from other states, and all of

758
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: this is interconnected. So look, I think this is going

759
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 1: to be I think the electric bill issue is going

760
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: to be what the price of eggs were, right and

761
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: grocery bills were in twenty twenty four. You know that

762
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: this is going to be the thing that everybody comes

763
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: back to. We saw it in the New Jersey race

764
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: because this is happening across the board. Everybody's electric bills

765
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: are going up. There's just a more and they're you know,

766
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: and what people do is they cherry pick the thing

767
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: that they don't like to say this is the reason

768
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: it's going up. It's just everything is the reason. And

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Speaker 1: I think that there's some argument that what Trump has

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Speaker 1: done with canceling some of these all of the above

771
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: energy strategies, that he's actually limiting new energy getting onto

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Speaker 1: the grid, like we need more diversified sources of energy

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Speaker 1: in order to keep everything going that we're going and

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00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: him sort of you know, essentially torpedoing the Biden Energy

775
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: bill mandates when it came to wind and solar and

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00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: things like that, it's going to directly impact the cost

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00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: of electric bills. So I don't think there's anything short

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00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: term that's going to get done. But I will say this,

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00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: I think you're going to have more political rhetoric about it.

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00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: You know, we're all going to have to start to

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00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: recalibrate what's warm and cold in order to save a

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00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: few dollars. I can tell you what I'm looking into

783
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: is trying to figure out is there's some solar alternatives,

784
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, to at least minimizing the cost on some things. Right,

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00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: is there and it may be tough in an apartment

786
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: situation to get the benefit of that. But will you

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00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: start to see landlords who maybe maybe you know, I

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00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: don't know how you're building a set up, and sometimes

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00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: you everybody sort of splits the utility costs. It's part

790
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: of a larger fee, and in that sense, the landlord

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00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: is incentivized to want to maybe put you know, solar

792
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: panels and come up with a different way. But I

793
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: think you're going to see a lot of people looking

794
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: for alternative ways to minimize their drag on the grid.

795
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: But they're still going to want need energy to power

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Speaker 1: their electronics or power their car power whatever. So but

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00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I I you know, I'm not gonna I'm going to

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Speaker 1: keep researching this more and more to give you a

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00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: better answer to this question, Stafford. But I can tell

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Speaker 1: you I think this is this is an issue that

801
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: isn't is only going to get more in the mainstream

802
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: in the conversation because it's the type of issue that

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00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: everybody feels, right, everybody sees the cost of that, and

804
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: we're seeing these giant spikes throw in extreme weather where

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00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 1: in some places you're using your air conditioner longer than

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00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: you normally do, or in some places you're using heat

807
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: maybe at a time you never used it before. That

808
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: also does weird things to the grid and ups the

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00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: costs of what you're doing on it. So I think

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00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: there never definitely needs to be a little more federal

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Speaker 1: involvement with how this grid, with how the electric grid

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00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: is operating, because it's it definitely feels and you know

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Speaker 1: who knows Texas is not on the grid. They sort

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Speaker 1: of created their own system. That thing it, you know,

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Speaker 1: feels like it's it could trigger a bigger problem if

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00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: they have a tough winner it's always the winners that

817
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: really put a lot of stress on that Texas grid,

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00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: And if that collapses and it's come close a couple

819
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: of times, it could really sort of sober up everybody

820
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: and realize that we have a federal problem here. This

821
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: isn't going to be solved in one state. I don't

822
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: think states have this, have the ability to do this. No,

823
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: you may get some states try to find financial help

824
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: for people, but I'm not sure there's only only so

825
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: much money that might be available for that. But I

826
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: do think this is going to become the most symbolic

827
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Speaker 1: issue that's talked about when it comes to cost of

828
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: living challenges. Next question comes from Jim Philadelphia's This Big

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Speaker 1: Fans in c NBC Day's congrats on a great start

830
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: to the new chapter. One't been wondering, what do you

831
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: think Trump's real motivation is for intervening in Venezuela under

832
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: the Narco terrorism label. He's never shown much interest in

833
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: preserving democracy. Is this really about removing Is it just

834
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Speaker 1: another self serving move, maybe even a play for a

835
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Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize. Jim, I'll tell you what my thesis

836
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: is on this. So Marco Rubio, you know after starting

837
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: off his relationship with Trump making Dick jokes about him

838
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: right at a debate talking about his hands. Right, Why

839
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Speaker 1: is the hands part of the thing? Right? It is

840
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Speaker 1: Rubio that made that meme famous. Rubio has since done

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Speaker 1: a one ady Entrump right, we saw it sometime during

842
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: the first term, and he has gone out of his

843
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: way to endear him, endear the Latin American political activist

844
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Speaker 1: community that is on the side of ousting some of

845
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: these guys, but that diaspora that has a lot of

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Speaker 1: political and financial power in South Florida who've been very

847
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: supportive of Rubio's politics over the years. He essentially, because

848
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: Trump is such an important figure now in South Florida,

849
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: he essentially helped Trump cement whatever you know, cement this,

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Speaker 1: or you could argue Rubio had to catch up to

851
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: where all these folks, they all were going, they were

852
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: going to gravitate towards Trump anyway, but this began where Trump,

853
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: where Trump started. Basically doesn't make any decision in Latin

854
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: America without Marco Rubio. And that was true in sort

855
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: of the last year or two of the Trump era,

856
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: the first Trump term, and it is and then you know,

857
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: Rubio really ingratiated himself during Trump's exile at mar A Lago.

858
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: He'd constantly go there. He'd bring these Latin American figures

859
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: to meet with them. He'd be So this is a

860
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: long way of me making the case that this is

861
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: not a Donald Trump obsession. This is a Marco Rubio obsession.

862
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: And I think that Rubio has you know, there is

863
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: there is a demand and look, go see the I

864
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: hope you heard my conversation with Billy Corbin, and he

865
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: did a documentary called Men of War about a failed

866
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: sort of bizarre coup, you know, group of US mercenaries

867
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: working with a former bodyguard of Trump's to somehow get

868
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: on the get get into Venezuela and overthrow Maduro. Kind

869
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: of a bay of pigs, Venezuelan style type of story.

870
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 1: It's one of those you can't believe this is true,

871
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: but you know, Billy always has the receipts. There is

872
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: a group of folks in South Florida that that are,

873
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 1: you know, frustrated with Maduro, and this is Rubio cares

874
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: about this. Rubio believes in this, and I think Rubio

875
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: has got enough stature and status in Trump's world. He's

876
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: both Secretary of State and National Security Advisor that it

877
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: is Rubio that is helping to steer him in this direction.

878
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: And I think that there's no doubt in my mind

879
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: that this is a Rubo project that Trump has adopted

880
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: and he's you know, this narco terrorism thing is you know,

881
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: if you had to prove it, I don't know how

882
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: they would, right. You know, where do you prove that

883
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: the drug money is being used to fund terrorism? That's

884
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: number one? Number two what fentanyl? You know that this

885
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: is not where our fentanyl problem comes from. It's not

886
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: in Venezuela. It comes from Mexico and China. So this

887
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: is a pretext that's sort of been created. Look, I

888
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: would feel better about this if the argument were we're

889
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: trying to enforce democratic norms, then we can debate whether

890
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: we should be using the military to do that. That

891
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: should be the debate we should be having as a

892
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: country about this Venezuela move. But instead are essentially lying

893
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to us about the rationale for what they're doing, saying

894
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: this is not about regime changes, it's not about the democracy.

895
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: This is about a specific thing. And yet what are

896
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: we doing? It looks like we're on the verge of

897
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: overthrowing a government. So it feels like we're you know,

898
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: it feels like we're doing this all the wrong way,

899
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: which is why a couple of weeks ago, in my

900
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: toodcast time machine, I wanted to make the Panama Canal

901
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: Anniversary the Liberation of Panama, if you will, an important

902
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: story because anytime, you know, whenever we're involved and we

903
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: lie about why we're involved, we do not help our

904
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: long term ability to have influenced the right way in

905
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: Latin America. And I just, you know, I am, I

906
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: want to see Maduro go. I am, you know, sort

907
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: of like it's like it's like Saddam. I'm glad Saddam left.

908
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: But was that the way to do it? I don't

909
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: know if this is the right way to get rid

910
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: of a DUREA. Next question comes from Dan, and then

911
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into my college football preview for

912
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: the weekend. We'll do it through the prism of the

913
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: college football playoff. He goes, I've been enjoying the podcast

914
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: is always. Something I noticed is that the election coverage

915
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: shows that Andrew Cuomo outperforms on Mam Donnie among voters

916
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: without a college degree. NBC reports that Mom Donnie won

917
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: only twenty six percent of white non college graduates, and

918
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: similar trends appeared in the gubernatorial races. Despite overall wins,

919
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: Democrats still seem to underperform among non college educated voters,

920
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: raising concerns about their strengthen states like Michigan and Nebraska.

921
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Is it fair to interpret these results as evidence that

922
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: Democrats have not yet repaired their image with working class

923
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: white voters. If so, what steps should the party take

924
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: to become more competitive with this group? Thanks? Dan, Well, look,

925
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 1: hopefully you're listening to the answer this question after you've

926
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: heard the interview with Adam Gentilsen. It's exactly what he's

927
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: trying to do, which is how do you get you know,

928
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: the irony is, you know, I think Democrats have struggled

929
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: culturally to connect to this group of voters for some time.

930
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: They used to be sort of Democrats and they were

931
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: just sort of Democrats, and it was they were culturally Democrats.

932
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: That that and the Democrats they thought economically were looking

933
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 1: out for him as it is. That explains why there

934
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: were two US senators in Nebraska for you know, not

935
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 1: an insignificant period of time, and almost always one a

936
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: state that you know, was the birthplace of the the

937
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: perhaps the original Prairie populace William Jennings Bryan, right, So

938
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: I think you're right to point out those things. I

939
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: think this is to me the great danger of the

940
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: midterms on the Democrats, which is they don't need they

941
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: could do as mediocre as they did with non college

942
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: educated whites in the midterms because they won't turn out

943
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: in the same numbers that they'll turn out in a

944
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: presidential election, giving Democrats an opportunity because they'll they'll sort

945
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: of over index on their more frequent voters and college

946
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: education voters, and they will be a bigger share of

947
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: the electorate in a midterm than they will be in

948
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: a general. It's why, you know, had they been a

949
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 1: presidential like turnout in say Virginia, maybe she only wins

950
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: by eight instead of fifteen, and maybe if you got

951
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: although you know, to me, the New Jersey thing is

952
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: why I why I believe this was a Trump referendum.

953
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: When you have the Republican candidate actually getting more raw

954
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: vote than he got four years earlier, but he lost

955
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: by ten percentage points more than when he lost before,

956
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: shows you a whole bunch of voters that didn't show

957
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: up four years ago that decided to show up. Well,

958
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: you didn't have an basically a whole bunch of presidential

959
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,439
Speaker 1: only voters decided to show up in a governor's race

960
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: on the Democratic side. You didn't get the presidential only

961
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: voters to suddenly show up in a governor's race on

962
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: the Republican side. And then you can see how lopsided

963
00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: things can get. I think the biggest, the potential worst

964
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: outcome for the Democrats hopes in twenty twenty eight. Weirdly

965
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: will be thinking that if they win the House in

966
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: the Senate, that they've solved their problems and it's just

967
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: a it's you know, they're going to just coast to

968
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: the presidency like what happened in six going into eight.

969
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,439
Speaker 1: And I would just say it's very possible they could

970
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: have a midterm revival. Eighty six midterms were terrific midterms

971
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: for the Democrats, and then after getting clobbered in eighty four,

972
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: and then they go and get clobbered in eighty eight.

973
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: So I do think the Democratic makeup of their more

974
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: likely voter automatically puts them at advantage to overperform in

975
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: the midterms. It's why even in a bad midterm year

976
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: like twenty two was, they didn't get clobbered the way

977
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: they that an out party gets clobbered or an in

978
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: party gets clobbered simply because more of their voters are

979
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: just are more regular voters. No, I think that the

980
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: party still as a problem and until it you know,

981
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: in fairness to the party on this one, neither Virginia

982
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: nor New Jersey is a huge It had a rural

983
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: vote that the candidate had to make an effort. That's

984
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: not going to be the case in trying to win

985
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: an election in North Carolina. That's not going to be

986
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: the case. In trying to win in Ohio. That's not

987
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: going to be the case in trying to win in

988
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 1: Iowa or Alaska, or Kansas or Mississippi or even Texas.

989
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: You know, you can't win Texas just by winning the

990
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: cities that a Roar came close, but he couldn't do it.

991
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: He want all the he won all the cities, and

992
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: he won all the the big media markets, but he couldn't.

993
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: He got killed in the excerbs and the world voters. So,

994
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, I don't think they've solved any other problems

995
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: on that front, and I still think they the Democrats

996
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: are you know, they have to be seen as a

997
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: stronger party. Strength And I know that's an elusive word,

998
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: but I think strengths big a big thing with with

999
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: this voting group. If they're going to try to reconnect

1000
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: back with them, and you know, the economy will be

1001
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: an entree. It's not lost on me if you think

1002
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: about it. The last four Democratic presidents in my lifetime

1003
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: who've won all one during an economic downturn. You know,

1004
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: it's possible that Democrats are just you know, in my

1005
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: lifetime have culturally been on the wrong side of where

1006
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: the country is, and Republicans of culturally have been on

1007
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: the right side where the country is. But that Democrats

1008
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: when the economies in the tank. It was true in

1009
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: seventy six, It's true in ninety two, and although the

1010
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: economy was recovering by the time Trump Clinton won, but

1011
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: the perception was it was in the tank. It was

1012
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: true in eight, it's true in twenty right, it was

1013
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: certainly virus related, but still it was an economic downturn. Sadly,

1014
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: it may be that there's an economic downturn in twenty

1015
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: eight and and that powers every thing. And let me

1016
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: just tell you this, when you have an election that's

1017
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: all about the economy, it suddenly papers over all of

1018
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: your different interest script problems, right because everything becomes about that.

1019
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: So for Miami, it's their last home game. I know

1020
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: you're on pins and needles. The College Football Playoff Committee

1021
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: is getting a little better at giving some respect to

1022
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: the University of Miami, though not a ton. The guy

1023
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: who runs the committee, who was the spokesperson, basically said

1024
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: Miami is the only team in the ACC that has

1025
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: won a decent non conference game, like completely forgetting that

1026
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: Ala Fingbama lost to Florida State in Week one. And

1027
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: so what you see as you see. And this is

1028
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: why I do not trust the ESPN Invitational Committee. I

1029
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: think all of these athletic directors and they're all I mean,

1030
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: my god, they've all realized they work for ESPN and

1031
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: the SEC and nobody else. Apparently. It is it is

1032
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: why we have to get rid of this committee. They

1033
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: are not you know I And if you ask me,

1034
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: you know, you could say I'm being you know, yeah,

1035
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm being biased towards the ACC. My bias is I

1036
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: want the ACC to get treated fairly I'm just asking

1037
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: for fair treatment. This is a committee, and this is

1038
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: a network that has already punished the ACC two years

1039
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: ago with denying an undefeated ACC champion access to the

1040
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: playoff of Florida State. This is a ESPN Invitational committee

1041
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: that denied the number one ranked offense in the country

1042
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 1: with ten wins and two losses, the Oderrich of Miami.

1043
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 1: They did not put him in the playoff simply because

1044
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: they were in ACC school the exact same resume, but

1045
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: an SEC school. And I promise you they would have

1046
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: made it when you're literally the top ranked offense in

1047
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: the country because supposedly those outside metrics matter. No, their

1048
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: metrics matter only when it is about getting the matchups

1049
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: that they want for the television show. And now it

1050
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: is a head scratcher to me that they didn't think

1051
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: cam Ward was good for their television show. I would

1052
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: argue cam Ward would have been great for their television

1053
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: show last year in the exhibition that is the ESPN Invitational.

1054
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: But the fact that the committee is literally lying about

1055
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: the ACC's resume on national television with Rhys Davis or misinformed, okay,

1056
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: lying and inquires motive, But there is a motive here.

1057
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: They're going out of their way to make the case

1058
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: against the ACC because apparently, if you're if you're in

1059
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: the ACC and you have a competitive conference, your conference

1060
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: must suck. If you're in the SEC and have a

1061
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: competitive conference, it's proof that your conference is great. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm just sorry, it's subjective bullshit on this, Okay. Yes,

1063
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 1: is it true that the SEC program spend more money

1064
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: collectively than the ACC does, so you assume you have

1065
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: more talent. Yes, but you know he's produced like something

1066
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: I like, if you want to sit here and play

1067
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: that game. The ACC is I think produced the second

1068
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: most amount of first round draft picks over the last

1069
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: ten years, about right behind the SEC and ahead of

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01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: the Big ten in the Big twelve. But again, we

1071
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: can you can find little things like that all the

1072
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 1: time to slice and dice things. But they went out

1073
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: of their way to punish to and it would have

1074
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: been some other ACC school and they've done it. And

1075
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: again this goes back to the where the hell is

1076
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: the commissioner. Jim Phillips is way too meek in this conversation.

1077
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: He lets Greg SANKEI go move around with them up

1078
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 1: and down. I told you last week about my source

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01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 1: that told me how much that every week Greg Greg

1080
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: SANKI must have had a hissy fit that that Herbstreet

1081
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: and Fowler we're out doing a Texas Tech game. That

1082
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: must have freaked them out. But that every week he

1083
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 1: lobbies that you must be in the SEC. You must

1084
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: be in the SEC. And again I get it, ESPN's

1085
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: and business the SEC, but they're also in business with

1086
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: the ACC. And I think the ACC could be suing

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01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: ESPN for breach of contract. This is a network that

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01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: has gone out of their way to diminish the value

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Speaker 1: of the ACC. The ACC has increased its value, and

1090
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: ESPN tries to diminish the value of the ACC. And

1091
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: they're your biggest business partner. The ACEC should be in court.

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01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: Don't sue each other, sue ESPN for for essentially for

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01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: diminishing the value of ACC sports in general and ACC

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01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: football in particular. I'm sorry the lack of pushback, and

1095
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: again it's you know, ESPN controls the college football Playoff,

1096
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: a mistake, which is why you got to get rid

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01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: of this committee. We ultimately got get rid of this committee.

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01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: There is a way to make all of this and

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01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:53,320
Speaker 1: on the field issue, you can you know, if you

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01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 1: basically say, you know, if a conference, i'd love to

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01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: see sort of actually an eighteen playoff that essentially had

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01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: each conference have their own sort of sixteen round robin

1103
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: of some sort that decided who their representative was in

1104
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: the eight and you'd have your four conference champions, your

1105
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: group of five champion after they had a little tournament.

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01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: But again, you had to win on the field to

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01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: get in, and then you might and you might have

1108
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: three wildcards, which Notre Dame would be eligible for, and

1109
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: the next two highest winning percentages in the power for

1110
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: just like the NFL wildcard works. And yes, sometimes you

1111
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: might have somebody left out, but it was done on

1112
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: the field with metrics. Everybody understands at the beginning, you

1113
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: know what nobody says from this committee. They can't tell

1114
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: you to this day. What matters more. Your wins are

1115
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: your losses. It's a win right. If they want to

1116
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: make the case that Miami is in, they will make

1117
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: a big deal out of their wins. If you want

1118
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: to make the case that Miami is out, you will

1119
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: make a big deal about their losses. Ditto with Notre Dame.

1120
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Speaker 1: What's the case to put them in? They lost two

1121
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: of their losses by a collective of four points against

1122
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: two of the most talented teams in the country. What's

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: the case not to put Notre Dame in The two

1124
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: times they faced talented teams in the country that belong

1125
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, they couldn't beat them. But Notre Dame

1126
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: is a brand. Now, Look, Miami has been a brand.

1127
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: Miami is the number one rated ACC school as far

1128
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: as television audience is concerned. It has been the last

1129
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 1: couple of years. You know, for the most part, Miami's

1130
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: been a brand, and that usually helps them in situations

1131
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: like this. I do believe when college football continues this

1132
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: what they've done to the conference with the SEC and

1133
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: the Big Ten have done everybody else, Miami will probably

1134
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,439
Speaker 1: be a half And unfortunately, my friends at NC State,

1135
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 1: Miami's opponent this week may end up being a poor

1136
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: have not. Now. I don't think that's healthy for college football.

1137
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: I think we could be doing this a better way.

1138
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, here we are, so college football playoff rant over.

1139
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: It does look like Miami's path is not crazy anymore.

1140
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 1: They finally have them. They're still a bit under ranked.

1141
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: You know, are you're really ranking Miami behind Utah no offense.

1142
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: To my producer, Lauren is a big Utah guy, and

1143
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: you know they do the you the wrong way. It's

1144
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: not this way, guys, it's like this. But that's okay. Uh.

1145
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 1: That said, do you think I have a lot of

1146
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: confidence in a in this coaching staff to be ready

1147
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: to put a licking on NC State on Senior Day

1148
01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: at Miami? You know, I got a sixty five percent

1149
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: confidence level, but I don't have a ninety percent confidence level.

1150
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, Miami should be able to put a number

1151
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: up on NC State. A forty five to ten victory

1152
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: should be what they do if they want to make

1153
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 1: the playoff. They kind of need a forty five to ten.

1154
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: But if you told me this was a thirty one,

1155
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty seven game that Miami eked out

1156
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: or somehow screwed it up at the end due to

1157
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: poor coaching decisions, I let's just say I fear it

1158
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: a little bit now. I don't think NC State has

1159
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: the defense and I think Miami's defense. You know, again,

1160
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: we're I'm going to learn a lot about how much

1161
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: these players want to play for these coaches, because if

1162
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: they do. I did not like the first half of

1163
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: what I saw in the Miami Syracuse game, it looked

1164
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: like it didn't look like I mean, it does feel

1165
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,879
Speaker 1: like the offensive coordinator, Shannon Dawson is just out of ideas.

1166
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: They continue. They are clearly not comfortable with Carson Beck

1167
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: making some decisions because they seem to fear putting him

1168
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: in positions to win it, you know, to either make

1169
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: a big player potentially you know, put him in a

1170
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: precarious position. It's a shame how they coach it, how

1171
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: they do this. So we'll see. I'm I'm nervous. I'm

1172
01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: very nervous. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm very

1173
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 1: nervous about this game because I actually think coach Crystal

1174
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: Ball is feeling the pressure. I think Shannon Dawson's feeling

1175
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 1: the pressure. And sometimes pressure is good on people respond

1176
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 1: to the pressure and they give you their best work.

1177
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 1: And sometimes the pressure puts them and they get paralyzed.

1178
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: We'll see. The biggest game on the board as far

1179
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: as Miami's playoff rankings are concerned, is actually at the

1180
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: sight of where game day decided to go, which is

1181
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: an interesting decision. They're in Pittsburgh and they're for the

1182
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: Notre Dame pit game. This is arguably Notre Dame's toughest

1183
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 1: game left, which is really so they're there because you know,

1184
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has they can't lose in order to have

1185
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: a shot at the playoff. They went out, They're going

1186
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: to get in because a ten and two Notre Dame

1187
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: team will always make the playoff, no matter who their

1188
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 1: two losses are to, and no matter if the ten

1189
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: wins are against the entire MAC Conference. It's Notre Dame.

1190
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's TV show people, So as long as

1191
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: it's an invitational, they'll always get the invite. Pitt's been

1192
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: an interesting team ever since they put in this freshman quarterback.

1193
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: He's been on. He's lit it up. A patn our

1194
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: doozy team usually isn't this free flowing on offense? Right.

1195
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: Miami has to play Pitt last game of the year,

1196
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: so this will be a common opponent. So everything about

1197
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: this game I have to I'm going to be watching

1198
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: every inch of it. It's on, it's the noon game,

1199
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: it'll be on before the Miami game, which is a

1200
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: three thirty. This is a huge game for the playoff.

1201
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,280
Speaker 1: It's a huge game for Notre Dame. It's a huge

1202
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: game for the ACC, It's a huge game for Miami.

1203
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:41,400
Speaker 1: It is this is interesting, right, what's better for Miami

1204
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame winning. I think I want Notre Dame to

1205
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: win by a field goal and then Miami to beat

1206
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: Pitt by thirty. That's probably the best outcome because this

1207
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: will be if Miami and Notre Dame are both tenant

1208
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: to the Pit. Game will be the most recent comparative

1209
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: they'll both have played at Pitt. So I have a

1210
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: feeling Pitt. And by the way, Pitt seven to two.

1211
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: They're not out of this, all right, I'm not, you know.

1212
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if they can make it all the

1213
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,680
Speaker 1: way through their schedule and finish it off right. The

1214
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: two of their two of their next three games are

1215
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,760
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and Miami, and the other one is Georgia Tech.

1216
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: So Pitt literally might be facing three playoff teams at

1217
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 1: the end of their season. But they certainly are going

1218
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: to have an impact on Notre Dame's chances, Miami's chances,

1219
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: and Georgia Tech's chances. And they's their last three games.

1220
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 1: So look, Pitt's had kind of an easy schedule. We

1221
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: still don't know how they lost to West Virginia, and

1222
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to figure out how they lost

1223
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,879
Speaker 1: to West Virginia. And then there are only other losses Louisville,

1224
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: which is a loss that Miami also has, but they've

1225
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: not They've not had the toughest of schedules. They opened

1226
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: with Ducaine and Central Michigan and then West Virginia was

1227
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: their third game of the year, which because it's a

1228
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:02,760
Speaker 1: it's a re rivalry. You throw the records out, right,

1229
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: But it's a It's easily the single most important game

1230
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: as far as the playoff is concerned. That's on the board.

1231
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: A few other games. Uh, do you buy that Wisconsin

1232
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: can play two good games in a row and give

1233
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: Indiana and Indiana plays two bad games in a row?

1234
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: Hard hard to see that one. This one's at Indiana. Boy, Yeah,

1235
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: after this, Indiana only has Purdue, you know, the end

1236
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: of the season, and that's that could be fun, right,

1237
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: even though Purdue is winless, they're gonna they care about

1238
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: this game. It's do you throw the records out? We

1239
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: shall see South Carolina, Texas A and m I was

1240
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: not going to pay attention to this game. And one

1241
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: of my favorite betting podcasts made the point that South

1242
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,919
Speaker 1: Carolina is coming off of bye after firing their offensive coordinator,

1243
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: a guy named Shula, one of the grandson of Don Shula,

1244
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: and uh that they're going to make you know, and

1245
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: they already know that. Miami and other schools are already

1246
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: sniffing around Leonora's Sellers for the for their portal QB

1247
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:13,480
Speaker 1: for next season. I have a feeling that South Carolina's

1248
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 1: offense is going to be a bit different showcasing Sellers,

1249
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 1: let him do his thing a lot more. It's going

1250
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: to be an open offense. So either it works and

1251
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,920
Speaker 1: we see an exciting game and Lenora's sellers is the

1252
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: is the quarterback we all thought he was at the

1253
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: beginning of this season, or an m just roles and

1254
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: they win by three touchdowns. Anyway, it's certainly worth turning

1255
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: on that game. U don't sleep on South Florida Navy South.

1256
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: You know, this is just the type of game that

1257
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 1: could turn into a weird shootout. The way Navy now

1258
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: can score South Florida can score, it will this This

1259
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: shouldn't be close, but it is at the Naval Academy.

1260
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 1: It will be a little chilly in Annapolis. You know,

1261
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: this is just the type of game that that USF

1262
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 1: could blow. Do you believe in Oklahoma? I don't so

1263
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: I think Alabama pays them. But it is worth noting

1264
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: Alabama is not the best favorite all the time in

1265
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: this Caleb de Borrera so far. But I just I just,

1266
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't buy that that Oklahoma can

1267
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: score much on them. And do you how do you

1268
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: think they have a good I know they statistically have

1269
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: a good defense. Do you believe they have a good defense?

1270
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: Have they really played anybody? Just something to think about.

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Speaker 1: I guess their Tennessee win that was that was a

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: pretty good performance. You got to give them that. But

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Speaker 1: obviously still has playoff implications right now Oklahoma has to win.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh. I guess Alabama doesnt because it would

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Speaker 1: only be their second loss, and and you know they

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Speaker 1: and apparently their first loss doesn't even count anymore as

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Speaker 1: far as the College Football Committee is concerned. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: Iowa USC, you know, USC still has the outside chance.

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Speaker 1: I was lost, Iowa had it all it was there

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01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,920
Speaker 1: for the taking. If they beat Oregon. This game is

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Speaker 1: a whole, but it's a big a lot different. It

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01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: suddenly becomes a playoff game. Now, does Iowa know it's over?

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Speaker 1: And if they do know it's over, USC could pace them.

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Speaker 1: The only other game that might be intriguing to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on, of course, it is Georgia and Texas.

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Speaker 1: Texas can't lose. They have to keep winning. This game's

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Speaker 1: at Georgia. There's been a part of me that's wondered,

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Speaker 1: what does all the arch Manning commentary of the last

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Speaker 1: two months, what happens to all of it? If suddenly

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: Texas beats Georgia this week, beats Texas A and M

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Speaker 1: in the last game of the year, and is sitting

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Speaker 1: there at ten and two, and suddenly, with wins over

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: Georgia and Texas A and M, they're probably a top

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01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: ten team if that's what happens. Oh, by the way,

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Speaker 1: so that's anyway. Let's see what arch Manning looks like.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if the Georgia defense. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: Georgia can score on anybody. They've proven that that offense

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01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: has turned out to be pretty good this year. This

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Speaker 1: Texas defense show up and slow down Georgia. Obviously. The

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Speaker 1: good news is this is the primetime game and we'll

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Speaker 1: all have a lot of time to watch it. So

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Speaker 1: with that, let's go Canes and I'll see you next week.