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Speaker 2: All right, John and I are doing it's one o'clock

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Speaker 2: central right now. We do our podcast as Scotty Scheffler

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Speaker 2: just won the Open and really just he started playing

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Speaker 2: I want to I want to start with this because

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Speaker 2: Shambo said, I played with this guy in college. He

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Speaker 2: to crown the hot new guy Tiger. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one element of Scottie that differs from

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Speaker 2: So my point is most of these guys like Rory

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Speaker 2: should age well, Scheffler should age well. The grind isn't

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Speaker 2: the same as it used to be. That I mean,

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Speaker 2: I remember reading an article it must have been fifteen

428
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Speaker 2: years ago about how little Arnold Palmer made on the

429
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Speaker 2: tour winnings, and I was like, the hell Tiger is

430
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Speaker 2: the one that exploded, Like Michael Jordan made the NBA

431
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Speaker 2: global magic and Bird made it popular. Michael made it global.

432
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Speaker 2: Tiger made golf lucrative. Just on the tour. You could

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Speaker 2: be top eight and you were making a fortune, private

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Speaker 2: jet everything.

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Speaker 1: You know. A lot of times I think Billy Walters,

436
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Speaker 1: you know, Phil's gambling guy in that book, and other

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Speaker 1: people have talked about this. Definitely in the fifties and sixties,

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Speaker 1: but even through the seventies and eighties. The Jacks, the Lee, Trevino's,

439
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Speaker 1: Arnold was a little older than them, but the Raymond

440
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Speaker 1: Floyd's they would do two things. They would play in

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Speaker 1: these huge money games on Monday after an event that

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Speaker 1: paid more than if they just won a PGA tour event. Wow.

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Speaker 1: And also these corporate outings that they would be paid

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Speaker 1: because you know, the PGA Tour at their tax status,

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Speaker 1: they always like they couldn't just pay Jack one hundred

446
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Speaker 1: grand to show up an event, right you. That's what

447
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Speaker 1: always made golf unique. It's why they had problems over

448
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Speaker 1: the last the split because unlike basketball, I could just

449
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Speaker 1: pay Lebron James fifty million dollars and I know every

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Speaker 1: single game Lebron's obligated to play for me. Golf's not

451
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Speaker 1: like that. So Rory's like, I don't have to play

452
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Speaker 1: this week, right, But all the corporations, it's why if

453
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Speaker 1: you go to YouTube, you can watch Tiger do clinic

454
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Speaker 1: after clinic after clinic for Nike, for Buick. That's what

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Speaker 1: he did on Monday to earn the twenty thirty million

456
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Speaker 1: dollars those corporations are paying him, which even at the

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Speaker 1: time with Tiger in the late nineties early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: paid more than the tour. That's where it's changed. Scotty

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Speaker 1: Sheffler made sixty million dollars playing golf. Yeah, he makes

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. Nike. He doesn't need Nike if

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Speaker 1: he just wore like the Tony Romo outfit that was

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Speaker 1: emblem lists. He would be financially fine. So they've gotten

463
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Speaker 1: so big. Rory's same thing. They make a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: they don't need they don't need anything. They could just

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Speaker 1: be completely blank and just play for the check and

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Speaker 1: be fine. Where golf was never like I would say,

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Speaker 1: tennis is the same thing too. These guys now are

468
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Speaker 1: making so much money on the court, let alone off

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Speaker 1: the court that they are just they're in a different stratosphere,

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Speaker 1: so it definitely gives them more flexibility. Like Tiger didn't

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Speaker 1: want to do all those corporate events, but he had to.

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Speaker 1: He was because they were paying him for it. That's

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Speaker 1: where I think Scotty if you notice, I don't think

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Speaker 1: his bag has a lot of emblems, like he's not

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Speaker 1: in business with all these people. All these guys are,

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at Jordan's speacebag or Ricky Fowler's bag.

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Speaker 1: They just because they've been taught from a young age,

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Speaker 1: from the older generation, this is what you do. This

479
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Speaker 1: is more like Nascar, you know, on grass, put as

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Speaker 1: much stuff and you answer to these guys. They'll pay

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Speaker 1: you more than you could ever win.

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Speaker 2: All right, So good round up, with John Middlecoff, who

483
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Speaker 2: also go Low has a golf podcast with us. So

484
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Speaker 2: there is something about and I think a lot of

485
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Speaker 2: this is as I've gotten older, I golf a lot

486
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Speaker 2: more now than I used to do, especially in the

487
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Speaker 2: summer spring in the summer, that to watch a major

488
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Speaker 2: when you've got I mean, I was so happy that

489
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Speaker 2: Rory went into Sunday with a shot that was pretty

490
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Speaker 2: clear after about four holes that Scotty was not surrendering anything.

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Speaker 2: He was on his game. And now for our next segment,

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Speaker 2: Whiskey Business. Yes, Whiskey Business, brought to you by Green

493
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Speaker 2: River Whiskey, the official whiskey of the Colin Coward Podcast.

494
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Speaker 2: Do you want to talk about a couple of football things?

495
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Speaker 2: And then I want to talk about a WNBA thing,

496
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Speaker 2: which I think is interesting, So I had said it

497
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Speaker 2: this week. Is that a lot of times when there's

498
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Speaker 2: a rumor, John who starts the rumor. So Greg McElroy,

499
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Speaker 2: a guy who I respect greatly, does a great job

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Speaker 2: on I think it's w JOX Radio in Alabama. Former

501
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Speaker 2: BAMA quarterback. Greg's really smart, really works hard. He s

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Speaker 2: as good at college football analyst. I'm talking TV networks.

503
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Speaker 2: He's a good at anybody out there. I bring him

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Speaker 2: on their show The Volume a couple times a year.

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Speaker 2: He's just sensational. And he said, there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: talk about Nick and coaching. So that's, in my opinion,

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing here that's coming from his Alabama sources.

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Speaker 1: Well, they'll play with in the same circles at this point,

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Speaker 1: don't they.

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Speaker 2: Then Lane Kiffin says, and Lane's one of his closer

511
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Speaker 2: is close to Nick, more more close than many other assistants.

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Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I think my guess is he may

513
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Speaker 2: miss you know, developing young people. He really he loves that.

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Speaker 2: So my take is, okay, this is his story. So

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Speaker 2: I brought Urban Meyer on this week, who is friends

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Speaker 2: with Nick, and he said, I don't think he's going

517
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Speaker 2: back to college, but he's gonna He would take NFL calls.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of those things where and I

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Speaker 2: told Urban this and Urban hadn't thought about it a lot.

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Speaker 2: But what the NIL has done. Coaches thought the NFL,

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Speaker 2: the NIL was trouble. I gotta pay my players. Dabo

522
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Speaker 2: Sweeney's like, I'm not paying my players. That's not college football.

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Speaker 2: It's actually been beneficial, additive for coaches. You can't fire

524
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Speaker 2: Brian Kelly or Lincoln Riley if you wanted to, because

525
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Speaker 2: USC just built three hundred million in facilities. They got

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Speaker 2: that from the donors. They raised eighteen million dollars a

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Speaker 2: year nil, they got it from the donors. To buy

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Speaker 2: out Lincoln would be eighty million, and then you'd have

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Speaker 2: to pay sixty million to eighty million to get the

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Speaker 2: new coach. USC in southern California, the biggest economy in

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Speaker 2: the country, they can't afford it. The idea that Alabama,

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Speaker 2: who is struggling to raise fifteen million a year nil,

533
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Speaker 2: could buy out Kalin for seventy and then bring Nick

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Speaker 2: back for one hundred million, six year deal. They don't

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Speaker 2: have close to that money. Auburn now is raising more money.

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Speaker 2: And so my take is with Nick, he's not going

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Speaker 2: to college because nobody's buying out their coaches anymore. Nick's

538
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Speaker 2: not coming back for twelve million two years. Nick's coming back.

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Speaker 1: I want.

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Speaker 2: I want four years guaranteed, okay, and I want thirteen

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Speaker 2: million per year. That's fifty minimum, Jimmy Sexton fifty minimum. Well,

542
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Speaker 2: then you have to buy out your coach. It's not happening.

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Speaker 2: But Nick like Harbaugh. Harbaugh had Kaepernick and Alex Smith,

544
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Speaker 2: and it nod at him. He's like, if I can

545
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Speaker 2: get the quarterback right, And the owner is paying for

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Speaker 2: a staff, which the Spanos family finally opened up checkbook

547
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Speaker 2: for the staff. Big you know, jesse mentor Greg Roman.

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Speaker 2: That's expensive.

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Speaker 1: They're paying a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, at and the Spanhos. The knocking the Spanos, it

551
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Speaker 2: was fair. I don't think it's fair anymore, but it

552
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Speaker 2: was fair for a long time. They're cheap. They're not anymore.

553
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Speaker 2: They pay Herbert, they pay the staff. They they built

554
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Speaker 2: a gorgeous new facility in else Gout. Oh it's gorgeous.

555
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Speaker 2: Like they spend money. That's an unfair criticism anymore. I

556
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Speaker 2: thought it was fair until about three four years ago.

557
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Speaker 2: The SOFI ideal is great for them. They're spending money.

558
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Speaker 2: But I think Sabin looks around and I'll throw this

559
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Speaker 2: at you. Jimmy has them, loves publicity. They're probably the

560
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Speaker 2: worst team in the league. Arch Manning goes to Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: Manning's no Saban. He coached in Cleveland before. They would

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Speaker 2: be the most interesting team in the league. He would

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Speaker 2: give him a five year what's fifteen times five seventy

564
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Speaker 2: five million dollar deal. Yeah, I think Nick would do it.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. Belichick is a good example of right.

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Speaker 1: The NFL kind of turned on him, and he was

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Speaker 1: open to college. He claims the nil. Obviously that's an

568
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Speaker 1: aspect they're comfortable, but no one tells you what to

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Speaker 1: do in college. When you become the football coach you have,

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Speaker 1: you're basically the owner. If it was the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Right, Nick Saban is answered to nobody for

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Speaker 1: fifteen plus years. I mean by the time year two

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Speaker 1: or three at Alabama when he won, he answered to

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Speaker 1: nobody in the NFL. You know, the ad in recruiting

575
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Speaker 1: is not sitting behind you on a chair looking over

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Speaker 1: your shoulder. What did we talk about with Shador? It

577
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Speaker 1: was Andrew Berry, Stefanski and then Haslam kind of right

578
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Speaker 1: there in the middle. Now, Haslam has spent more actual

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Speaker 1: cash that any owner in the league in the last

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Speaker 1: four years in terms of signing bonus, so financially, he

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Speaker 1: would be the equivalent of like University of Texas in

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Speaker 1: terms of the pros. Right, he is spending an ungodly

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Speaker 1: amount of money, so people would be attracted to his

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Speaker 1: willingness to kind of he'll manipulate the salary cap for you.

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Speaker 1: But he's extremely involved. And Nick has had I mean

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Speaker 1: his nickname, right, I mean Nick Tator like he answers

587
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Speaker 1: to nobody, and in fairness, his decisions are usually correct.

588
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Speaker 1: I think I saw that you talked to Breer about Dallas.

589
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that some of these owners would not

590
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Speaker 1: sniff around. Probably already have made some contact. Hey, just

591
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: big picture, it's called business. I just wonder, like, would

592
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Speaker 1: he answer to Jimmy Haslam or Jerry giving him constant

593
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Speaker 1: football ideas? Remember Belichick. Probably it might have been the

594
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Speaker 1: year he was off started listing off stories. I think

595
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Speaker 1: to like McAfee about different times owners storm in and

596
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Speaker 1: give different ideas like hey, yeah, are we sure defense?

597
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Speaker 1: He used to talk about the Cleveland experience, like we

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Speaker 1: know what we're doing on defense, and Bill would be like,

599
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Speaker 1: Nick Saban's are defensive coordinator, you idiot? You know? So

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Speaker 1: I just love these guys. It's unlike any business where

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Speaker 1: a family like the Haslans, who are clearly successful or

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Speaker 1: Jerry or whoever, in whatever industry they're in, even if

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Speaker 1: they are football people and love the sport, you can't

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Speaker 1: speak the language in terms of like football language, which

605
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: is extremely complicated, especially once you get in season with

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Speaker 1: schematic stuff. I just think it becomes really complicated for

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Speaker 1: a guy like Nick, who's you know, I don't know,

608
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Speaker 1: made hundreds of millions of dollars to then answer to someone,

609
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Speaker 1: and I don't care who you are in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you still somewhat have to answer. I mean, you talk

611
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: to all these gms a lot. I'm sure what they

612
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: bitch to you about is like God, the owner, he's

613
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Speaker 1: in my ass about this and this, And it's not

614
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Speaker 1: always just like the star quarterback. He could be the

615
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Speaker 1: stupidest stuff. And they spend a lot of their time.

616
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Speaker 1: It's when gms go on and interview and they say,

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Speaker 1: you know, you have to realize that you can't just

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00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: sit in a room and watch film. What they're essentially

619
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Speaker 1: saying is I'm getting pulled in a bunch of different directions,

620
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: and whenever that call or that guy walks in, you

621
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Speaker 1: don't have a choice. You drop everything you're doing for

622
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Speaker 1: the owner. So and that Jimmy has them is extremely involved.

623
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Speaker 1: But I'm with you, Nick Saban. Jimmy has them in

624
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: two thousand and what year are we in twenty five?

625
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Speaker 1: That's so that would be like January of twenty twenty six,

626
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Speaker 1: signed me up. Now we got a long way to go.

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Speaker 1: I think saving it would be more realistic then. Like

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Speaker 1: arch Manning, I'm excited as anybody, but like he's played

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Speaker 1: two games, so you know, is he gonna be a

630
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Speaker 1: great player? I don't know. It's the SEC is really hard.

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Speaker 1: They're stomping up with Ohio State. He has an insane

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Speaker 1: amount of pressure. And it's not his fault. He's saying

633
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Speaker 1: all the right things. Stark's saying all the right things,

634
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Speaker 1: but it's everyone else. It's gonna be pretty intense. And

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Speaker 1: the other thing, this quarterback class like good players at

636
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Speaker 1: that position, even in his own conference, that are pretty

637
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Speaker 1: well established, that have been starting for a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Let's just see, like is he does he throw thirty

639
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Speaker 1: five touchdowns? Or is this year work in progress? He

640
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Speaker 1: doesn't need the money, so even if he is really good,

641
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Speaker 1: he's on a lock to go. Bro Peyton Manninghell went

642
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Speaker 1: back to school in the late nineties, he easily could

643
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Speaker 1: after nil. So I think he would have to have

644
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Speaker 1: like one of the great seasons in college football history

645
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Speaker 1: for me to feel comfortable like he would be a

646
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Speaker 1: lock to come out if you just tell me, hey,

647
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Speaker 1: they're in the final four. He has a good season,

648
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Speaker 1: He's like second team All SEC. I could one hundred

649
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Speaker 1: percent see him coming back to school. His two uncles

650
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Speaker 1: did it like college football to that family. For a

651
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Speaker 1: family that's obviously known for NFL stuff and financially really successful,

652
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Speaker 1: means a lot to that family, right It's I mean

653
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Speaker 1: it meant a lot to Eli goes back to Ole

654
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Speaker 1: Miss all the time. His Dad's a huge part of

655
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Speaker 1: All Miss. Peyton's constantly in Tennessee. I think I just

656
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Speaker 1: saw a story his son is that Marshall is Trent.

657
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: I thought he lived in Denver. It's gonna play high

658
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Speaker 1: school football in Tennessee. I don't a lot of They

659
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Speaker 1: have a lot of passion for college football. And I

660
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Speaker 1: don't care who you are. When you're around your uncles

661
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: and your dad, like stuff rubs off on you, and

662
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Speaker 1: I can imagine it means a lot. Listen, to be

663
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Speaker 1: a multi year starter at Texas is a lot. Do

664
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Speaker 1: you won and done not? That's not special, But I

665
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Speaker 1: think playing for two or three years is a really

666
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: big deal. Look at Matt Leiner and you're you know,

667
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: in LA like, he's still a huge part of that program.

668
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: He's parlayed it even though his NFL career didn't go great.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think Arch is some lock even if

670
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Speaker 1: it goes well to go pro. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The one guy, I said, Drew Aller's the one guy

672
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Speaker 2: at Penn State where I watched him a couple of

673
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: years ago and I'm like, he's just not He's not

674
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: buttoned up, he's loose, he's not accurate. And then I

675
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: watched him last year and I was like, oh, that's

676
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: a first round quarterback. If he makes the same jump

677
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: this year and gets to like sixty eight percent completion

678
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: percentage with his size, that is a big time player.

679
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: He You know, we forget this all the time. These

680
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: guys are like twenty one, you know, like and now

681
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: they're in an NIL world where there's a little bit

682
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 2: of pressure, like they're buying pizza, right, guys, I got

683
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: all the money. So and Penn State's got an NIL

684
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: that's you know, reasonably noteworthy.

685
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Speaker 1: So no, I think I think Oklahoma feels that that

686
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Washington State. John Mattier, I mean, I would say they're

687
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: very bullish on his prospects. I know NFL people are

688
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: very very excited, and obviously Oklahoma I think they think

689
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a lot better. They paid for a

690
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: lot of money and transfer portal. They bring in this quarterback.

691
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: So you start comparing Matier in Arch, and Materier already

692
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Speaker 1: has a year starting at Washington State, so he's played

693
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Speaker 1: a lot, and I understand Washington State in twenty twenty

694
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: four is not what it used to be, but still

695
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Speaker 1: he's played like Arch hasn't really played. He played the

696
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: two games against Nobody's and thrown in against Georgia, which

697
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 1: is not his fault. They just went with Quinn yours.

698
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: But you know that the conference in the SEC, which

699
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: I would say over the last fifteen years, has been

700
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Speaker 1: more a positional conference. They've had a couple good quarterbacks

701
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Speaker 1: this year. From a quarterback standpoint, Florida's got a quarterback,

702
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Speaker 1: South Carolina's got a quarterback, Oklahoma's got a quarterback. Obviously,

703
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: Texas has a quarterbacks. It's it's gonna be a pretty

704
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: fascinating kind of little quarterback group. And then well you

705
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Speaker 1: know Alabama, Georgia and one of those teams at NUSS

706
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: Meyer at LSU, you know, is viewed as a potential, yes,

707
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: top twenty pick. So it's it's a pretty good quarterback

708
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: conference this year. And we know they always got defensive

709
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: linemen skill guys dbs. I think the SEC is going

710
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: to be pretty interesting from a quarterback standpoint, because you know,

711
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: you look at the big ten. I don't Ohio State

712
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: their quarterback. You know, it's pretty big shoes to fill.

713
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, will power down the stretch look like Peyton Manning.

714
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: Obviously Michigan paid the kid twenty million dollars or whatever.

715
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: It's difficult. So it's it's gonna be fascinating to see.

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Speaker 1: Now their talent on those teams will be able to

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Speaker 2: So this is a big broad topic about the WNBA.

724
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 2: So the WNBA was basically subsidized, not basically it was

725
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: by the NBA for twenty five years, it made no money.

726
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: They started in big arenas, they moved to smaller arenas.

727
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: They were on commercial flights. And then I've used the

728
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: example that Caitlin Clark has become like a black light

729
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: in a hotel room. Like you know, you use a

730
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: black light in a hotel room and you're like, oh

731
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: my god, this is filthy in here. She's basically exposed

732
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: how bad the marketing was, how disorganized and unprepared the

733
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: executive suites were, how bad the travel was, Now how

734
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: bad the officiating is. She's a black light on the league.

735
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: It was just not buttoned up, but now it's red hot.

736
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: And because of Kitlin Clark. And so here we go

737
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 2: the CBA, they're negotiating a new contract and they came

738
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: out wearing shirts and people were really bothered by this

739
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: on the internet, like, hey, you owe us the money.

740
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the greatest self awareness. I wouldn't

741
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: go public with it. Don't think that's brilliant. And I

742
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: think the I think this the league has just had again,

743
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark has put a microscope on the league and

744
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: it's it's it's got a lot of faults. I mean,

745
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: officiating marketing. They could, they couldn't figure out women's basketball

746
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: to put her on the Olympic team. It's like, hello,

747
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: what are we doing? But it is interesting, here's roll

748
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: side with the players. If let's see at the volume.

749
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: I hired a podcast and I had to subsidize it

750
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 2: for five years and it didn't make any money. There

751
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: was talent, but it didn't make any money. And then

752
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, with four months to go or

753
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: six months to go before the contract ends, it hits

754
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: a Zeit gest it gets culturally relevant, it gets really popular.

755
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that it's lost me money. I have

756
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: to pay it. So first of all, I'll always defend

757
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: anybody asking for a raise. I'll always defend any employee

758
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: doing that. Most people just don't want to. It's uncomfortable,

759
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: but it doesn't matter if you've lost money forever. If

760
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: you are coming up on a negotiation and you are

761
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: suddenly these people that own the organizam think about people

762
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: that owned the teams, they're hemorrhaging money forever. Finally, it's like, oh, crap,

763
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: our merchandise, our tickets, our TV ratings, we're gonna make

764
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: money on this. The truth is the women have a

765
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: lot of they have a lot of leverage. Is that

766
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: this investment took forever to pay off, but you can't

767
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: sell it now. You can't have a work stoppage now

768
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: because it's finally making money.

769
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you, and you know, being from

770
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: Davis Sacramentos separated by a causeway, I remember when the

771
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: Sacramento I think monarchs were developed and they put them

772
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: in Arco Arena where the King's play and they were

773
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: like ten people going to the game. It was like,

774
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: this is a bad business. Like this, it looks awful.

775
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: And for a long time, that to me defined the

776
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: WNBA is that no one watched. And I would say

777
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: that defining line for most people over the course of

778
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: the last twenty years was well, the NBA just pays

779
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: for everything. The guys, they take their money and pay

780
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: for something that not only doesn't make money, I mean

781
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: loses a lot. I think what confuses people and I

782
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to this. Are they still losing

783
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: a lot of money because it's convoluted right there in

784
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: the NBA's television deal. But they view them as a

785
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: mass loser. That's where I'm confused, because if they are

786
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: losing money. I do understand everyone going pay us more

787
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: and you're part of a operation that's losing money. And

788
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: the other thing is.

789
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 3: If I remove Caitlin Clark and I've always laughed at

790
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 3: like it's just a bunch of racist route for this

791
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: white girl. There's been a lot of good white girls

792
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: playing in the WNBA over the past twenty five and

793
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 3: no one cared. You couldn't pay me to pay attention.

794
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: And she has brought I would say a obviously they

795
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: watch her to play, but she's brought a relevance to

796
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: the league that it's impossible to quantify. It is well.

797
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: I've always used title Woods and I think there are

798
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: some similarities there.

799
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Steph Curry's more popular than Lebron. Lebron is the

800
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: better player, but Steph Curry totally Yeah, Lebron, Steph Curry,

801
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: who is the comfort Caitlin. Because of his style, he's

802
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 2: more popular. Everybody loves Steph Curry. Lebron's polarizing. I think

803
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: I think Steph Curry moves a number better than Lebron. Now,

804
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: I think we have Lebron fatigue. So you don't have

805
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: to be the best player in the league. You have

806
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: to be really good like Steph's really, but you don't

807
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: have to be the best player to be the most popular.

808
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: So my thing is when they ask for more money,

809
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: are they part of the league that is losing money

810
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: because you're gonna lose everyone there, like you're getting no

811
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: one to defend you. People have defended athletes fighting for

812
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: when people are like this guy's getting screwed, especially individuals.

813
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: I think as a whole a common sports fan would

814
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: just go, this league loses money. Now if you said, hey,

815
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: we're making fifty x what we not only used to make,

816
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: but in terms of a profit, because all I see

817
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: is like, well, these franchises are worth and one from

818
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: fifty million to worth maybe a couple hundred million dollars,

819
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: So the equity of a franchise, the owner, you're getting

820
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: rich and all these other sports will the owners and

821
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: the players sharing this? My whole take is like, if

822
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I remove Caitlin, is this league actually that important and popular?

823
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Obviously it has improved in terms of its relevance college

824
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: basketball in women's college basketball hasn't had her consistently now

825
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and still does really well

826
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: on television.

827
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 2: This is a great question in Tiger's prime, it didn't

828
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: matter if any other golfer was popular. If I'm CBS,

829
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: I'm upping my contract with the Masters because Tiger's gonna

830
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: play in it, it doesn't matter, how like one of

831
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: the WNBA's. So this is why I think the players

832
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: have power.

833
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: Where are they gonna go to Russia?

834
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: Well well, well, but what they're gonna do is like

835
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: they have a work stoppage. Well, the owners are like, okay,

836
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 2: we've lost money forever. This is just the beginning of

837
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: probably a decade of momentum and merchandise sales with Caitlin.

838
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example, the late night shows.

839
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: Co Beart is going away in May, right, So that

840
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: was a great business forever, and then kind of pre

841
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: COVID COVID and after COVID last six seven years, they've

842
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: lost fifty percent of their AD revenue for a lot

843
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: of reasons. YouTube TV young viewers don't watch late The

844
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: average cobear viewer is sixty eight years old. Even, I mean,

845
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: that's insane, right, they thought he was going to get younger.

846
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: He talks politics. Young people don't want to talk politics.

847
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: It's almost seventy So that's part of the reason that's dying.

848
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: So my point is, even though that business was great forever,

849
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: it's been on a losing streak for several years, and

850
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: CBS is like, we're just out of the business. WNBA

851
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: is the opposite. It's been a loser forever, but the

852
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: next ten years look great. I would have to give

853
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: them the money.

854
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,479
Speaker 1: Who's giving them the money? Like it's the NBA giving

855
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: them more, because that's my thing. If I'm the WNBA

856
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: in any other business, like you use the podcast example,

857
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: I've subsidized you for twenty five years. I don't know.

858
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't have the contract in front of me, but

859
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 1: I get a piece of the pie if things go well.

860
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: I have a huge, huge interest of like okay, time

861
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: to pay me back, right, or time for me to

862
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: get my claws into this new money. So the pie

863
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: that they think is just between us and the owner.

864
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: If I'm Adam Silver, I go, hey, hey, we've been

865
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: involved in this, and we did it for quote unquote

866
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: the right reasons. We were fine with losing money. We

867
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: were trying to help out, we were trying to grow

868
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: the game, trying to expand our female presence for guys.

869
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: But we have funded this thing for two and a

870
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: half because when of the leagues start late nineties like

871
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: ninety seven, ninety eight, ninety nine, I feels like for

872
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: a long long time, so it's time for us to

873
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: get That's how business works. If I funded you for

874
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: a long time and you hit it big like Google, Apple, whoever,

875
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: remember when I gave you the five hundred grand in

876
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: the garage? So I get paid now too. Now, maybe

877
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: they're making so much it's not even worth the PR

878
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: battle because that's what this would become, because they would

879
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: come at them like screw you, and that's what they're

880
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: trying to do. Make this a PR battle. Do you

881
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: think it's a hard PR battle when listen, you don't

882
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: know the facts that we do have the contracts. The

883
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: average sports fan is going to go, this thing's been

884
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: a loser, These girls don't deserve it, and there's something

885
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: real and like you remove Caitlin Golston, individual sport basketball

886
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: is not.

887
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, Where you're absolutely right is the public's

888
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 2: not going to side with the w NBA players because

889
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: how they've treated it, how they've treated Caitlin, how like

890
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 2: parochial and silly they've been. I mean, they've really not.

891
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: It's been embarrassed. Well, I mean, it really has no.

892
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: Question my I guess my point is I'm not wildly

893
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: supporting the WNBA. I'm saying is if I was an

894
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: investor and I'd lost for nine years, and I'm like, guys,

895
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: it took forever, but holy shit, we got about ten

896
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: year runway here. Let's not I mean, we waited this long,

897
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: we invested this long totally.

898
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: Let's that's where you That's where there's a lot of

899
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: validity and substance behind that. Okay, let's just pivot. Who

900
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,479
Speaker 1: cares about two thousand and six. It's twenty twenty six

901
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: and this thing is going to become a cash cow.

902
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: But it's where the girls feel like. It feels like

903
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: they're negotiating from a point where they all view themselves

904
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: like Lebron's Steph or Kaitlyn, and they're just not And

905
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: that's where I think people have a hard time with

906
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: and Caitlyn, let's face, it is kind of the least

907
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: visible and definitely the least talkative when it comes to

908
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: these issues. It's some of the other quote unquote star

909
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: players who are leading the charge. It's why typically right

910
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: CBA negotiations and football. Kaitlyn's gonna make so much money.

911
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: Whether this works out or not, it doesn't matter. It's

912
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: typically not Tom Brady and Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers.

913
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: And just like the next CBA won't beat Josh Allen

914
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes beating the drum, it's usually Jeff Saturday

915
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: right up there. So it's some of these and it's

916
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: that's where it's it's hard to get the public because

917
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: I do think if they could get the public on

918
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: their side, then you know, typically the basketball has been

919
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: in I would say the sport that it typically gives

920
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 1: in to some pr pressure. But it's just it doesn't

921
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: feel like they have them.

922
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: No, no, And this that's very important is that corporations.

923
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: It could be Fox, it could be the NBA. They

924
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: don't like. They don't like skirmishes. It hurts their stock price.

925
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: They I mean, I I could argue that if I

926
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: if there were if I got into a battle with

927
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: a corporation and I have a line, it helps my brand,

928
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: It makes me look more like a rebel, totally right.

929
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 2: A corporation doesn't you know, the upfronts are coming our

930
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: stock price. They don't want to get involved with any

931
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: of that stuff. They want everything. They don't want to

932
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: get into battles. Stephen A's talking about his contractor stuff.

933
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: ESBN doesn't want to, you know, want that. It's good

934
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: for Steve and A, it's not good for the corporation,

935
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: right so, And I don't blame anybody for doing it

936
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 2: if you're an individual. But the truth is the WWA

937
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,760
Speaker 2: players have not done a great job to ingratiate themselves

938
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 2: to the average consumer, where they've really come off as

939
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: sort of anti Caitlin. I will say though, in the

940
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: latest poll who's the face of the league going forward

941
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: next five years, the WNBA players overwhelmingly voted Caitlin Clark.

942
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: So they are coming around. It's an aircraft carrier, it's

943
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: not a sale boat. It's not a quick pivot. It

944
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: has taken a while, but I do think they're coming

945
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: to terms with she's making us a bunch of money here, people,

946
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: let's not be ridiculous.

947
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: You do not look, you know, look at the gift

948
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: court in the mouth and kick it to the side.

949
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: Here ride this rocket ship to the moon. And it

950
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: does feel like I would bet against them just fully

951
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: embracing it, at least for the foreseeable future. I think

952
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: it's going to be a little rocky. It still feels rocky,

953
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, the way she's treated and listen when she

954
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: doesn't play. I'm a good example. I've been watching sports,

955
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: all sports my entire life. I have never ever paid

956
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: attention to women's basketball, let alone the WNBA to the

957
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: last several years. And because of her, it brings light

958
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: on the other players, Like I mean, I know so

959
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: much about Angela Reese, Angela Reisa.

960
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 2: I can't even see Cunningham was in the league seven

961
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: years totally. I didn't know who she wasn' until four

962
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: months ago.

963
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: So it's like she Tiger dealt with a little bit

964
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: of this too, right. People don't like the difference is

965
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: you know, golf it became way more successful post Tiger,

966
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: but these guys were still doing well, right, they were

967
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: living in This has been I mean, these girls are

968
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: making what seventy five sixty thousand, They're not making much

969
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: relative you know, to other professional athletes. So it's yeah,

970
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: I just I think it's going to be a little rocky,

971
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: and it'll be fascinating to watch Adam Silver in the

972
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: WNB or in the NBA, Like how they approached this

973
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: because are they gonna want to get made whole or

974
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: a huge part of this moving forward? Like if there's

975
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot more money, we need to be

976
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: involved here. I was texting our buddy Ethan Strauss the

977
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: other day, and do you think it's been one of

978
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: the faster cultural shifts definitely in my life, in American history.

979
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean last week it was announced. I personally, you know,

980
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: I think journalists love to say Dave Portnoy's really polarizing.

981
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: People in my life just are entertained by Dave. He's not,

982
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: He's just an entertaining figure. But Shane Gillis's monologue is

983
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: a good example of a couple of years ago, ESPN

984
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: would have probably had a boycott and would had to

985
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: an issue an apology, I would say, less than twelve

986
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: hours later, and not only did it not matter, it's

987
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: like everyone was just laughing, right, It's like everyone just

988
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: relaxed a little bit, take a deep breath, like, don't

989
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: you don't have to get offended at every single little

990
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: thing in life? And obviously now Barstool and Dave and

991
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: those guys are going to I think lead into your show, right, Yeah,

992
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: moving forward, starting I.

993
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: Think any time there's a strong action the country went

994
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 2: very left and the term used was woke, there's going

995
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: to be an equally strong reaction where moderates and people

996
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: on the right said no, that shit, don't play. Florida

997
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: got it right with COVID, not California. So there was

998
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 2: a very strong cultural shift left during COVID, and I think,

999
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: like I like Musk buying Twitter, not because I think

1000
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: it's a better product, but I did think it got

1001
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 2: really weird and like people were just outraged by everything,

1002
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: and I don't like that. I'm a moderate. I want

1003
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: both sides uncomfortable. So yeah, I mean, first of all,

1004
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: I've never thought Barstool was a good fit with ESPN.

1005
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: I just never thought it was a good fit. I

1006
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: didn't think that show was going to last fifteen minutes.

1007
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: I think it works at Fox because Fox News is

1008
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 2: sort of the example of I mean, the New York

1009
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: Post and Fox News are owned by the Murdoch family.

1010
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,919
Speaker 2: They have strong convictions on the right, and you can

1011
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 2: call them whatever you want, they don't care. And so

1012
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 2: Fox Sports is under although it's all a silo business

1013
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 2: to some degree is not protected, but we're under sort

1014
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: of the umbrella of like Fox News and The New

1015
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: York Post that the Murdoch family is very comfortable with

1016
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 2: you having lots of opinions. I mean, I know Sage

1017
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 2: Steel and I don't know Sam Ponder, but there are

1018
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 2: points that Sage Steel makes that are very legitimate. And

1019
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: I say that as somebody who leans left socially and

1020
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: is a moderate. So I think Barstool works at Fox.

1021
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 2: This is my take on it. So I think they

1022
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: were brought in for digital. I think they have power,

1023
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: prowess and a footprint on digital. If I could say this,

1024
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: even if it offended my bosses, I don't think Fox

1025
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: is necessarily that's not our strength, our digital presence. Barstool's

1026
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: great at it.

1027
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: Second you could argue the best and when it comes

1028
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: to sports, they've been Yeah.

1029
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: So they solve a Fox Frap Fox sports problem. Secondly,

1030
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 2: I think our management looks at our college game day

1031
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: is having more juice and energy, and Portnoy is going

1032
00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 2: to bring some of that young, youthful shit stirring energy.

1033
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: I think he absolutely does. Then I think the third

1034
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: most important thing after digital and a big Neon kickoff

1035
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: is FS one. And my take is, you know they're

1036
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: going to do a two hour show and then the

1037
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: replay of it's going to be in front of me.

1038
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: So replays don't necessarily do that well. The show may

1039
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: do well, it's replay, which is right in front of me,

1040
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: probably won't. Portnoy is going to be on it, I

1041
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: think Monday, but not that often. Big Catt'll be on it,

1042
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: but maybe not that often. According to him, there's a

1043
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that's not being talked about that I'm

1044
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: not aware of. They're not, you know. So my take

1045
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: is of the three things they were brought into Fox for,

1046
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: I think Big Noon and Digital were the most important.

1047
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: My guess is based on what I'm hearing about Portnoy.

1048
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 2: Pardon my take. Guys. They'll do a two hour show

1049
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: and then they'll run it again as a replay. So

1050
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily a you know, a dynamic lead in,

1051
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 2: but I think it is a cost effective measure and

1052
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: it makes us younger on FS one, which I'm for.

1053
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm four. In fact, I think I can tell this story.

1054
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: So six months ago, an executive a suit a big

1055
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 2: dog upstairs called me into his office and said, Hey,

1056
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 2: what do you think about Portnoy on our College Football show.

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00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: And I said, well, he's not a traditional broadcaster, so

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00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair for Fox to hold him

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00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: to that. Let him be a personality, let him be

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00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: a social influencer. Don't hold him to Rob Stone or

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00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: Tom Ronaldi. I don't think that's fair. I think you

1062
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: get in trouble when you asked Dave to be something

1063
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: he's not. Dave is a shitster, a social influencer, very nimble,

1064
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: very funny. You know, it's like you're getting kind of

1065
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: this running stand up comedy thing. It's very effective, especially

1066
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: virally trending.

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Speaker 1: He's great at it.

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00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 2: He's absolutely phenomenal at it. Let him be that, don't

1069
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: turn him into something. Let him do that, and I

1070
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: think it will yet big additive.

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Speaker 1: That was my take.

1072
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: I don't know Dave at all, but we all know Dave.

1073
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: And then and then I said, and they asked me

1074
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 2: about some content stuff, and I said, listen, I don't

1075
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: want to be culpable for anything that goes on beyond

1076
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 2: my show. I do my show. I'm good friends with

1077
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: Nick Wright. I care about him. I don't want to

1078
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 2: be culpable for any of this stuff. But I said,

1079
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: if you're asking me what I would do if I

1080
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 2: ran FS one. I said, if if Portnoy's you're interested in,

1081
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: I would go hire Pardon my take, I think Big

1082
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 2: Cat is a lead on TV. I would hire him

1083
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: as a lead, and then you know his partner, and

1084
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: then whoever he and his partner are comfortable with. That's

1085
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: a TV show. So that's what I said six months ago.

1086
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 2: Now it was a ten minute meeting. It's not like

1087
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: FS one needs me to, you know, diagram their playbook.

1088
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: And that was the last I talked about it, and

1089
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: so it was pretty interesting when the story broke, I'm like, oh, okay, well,

1090
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: well that kind of is what we were talking about.

1091
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: But I just didn't want to be culpable. I didn't

1092
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: want other shows, you know, I don't want people to

1093
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 2: get lose their jobs. I'm not into that stuff. But

1094
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: I do think it's a really good fit. I think

1095
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: Fox allows you to have opinions from whatever angle you want.

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00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: You don't have to be partisan. I mean, I would

1097
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: say I think Nick Wright would be the he said

1098
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: it on this podcast. He leans more left. They don't care,

1099
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 2: and Jesse Walter is more right. It doesn't matter like

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00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,479
Speaker 2: they just Fox has never once come to me in hey,

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00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: slow down on that they don't care. Where ESPN there

1102
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: is proof, it is documented they do care. I think

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00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: they've improved over the last couple of years. But it

1104
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: was pretty it was pretty strident, stridently left for several

1105
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 2: years there, and it made a lot of people uncomfortable.

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00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 2: And I think that's fair. I don't think companies should

1107
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 2: be telling you what to say about your politics. Now,

1108
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: if you want to tell your talk show host on

1109
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: ESPN or fought in a sports show, don't talk politics,

1110
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 2: that's fine, but don't tell him what side of politics

1111
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: they have to go and and you know, bang the

1112
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 2: table on. If you're gonna allow political talk, then allow

1113
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: all of it. That's my take. Yeah, so I think

1114
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: bars still works at Fox.

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00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I think there's obviously just a rawness. And this is

1116
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: why a lot of people have success on the internet,

1117
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: is you know, anything flies in the consumer then dictates

1118
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: whether you're successful or not. You know, when I was

1119
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: a kid, if you got a job at the San

1120
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: Fransco Chronicle, you're gonna be pretty successful because the newspaper

1121
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: controlled a lot right or on one of the local stations.

1122
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: Now it's like you can create it yourself, and no

1123
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: one's done a better job from the jump for the

1124
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: last couple decades, the Dave building it from scratch. But

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00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, whenever I, like I said, I see people

1126
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: calling him polarizing, I just know a lot of people

1127
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: to just like view him as entertaining, and I think

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00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: that's where he fits in on Fox. I think, actually

1129
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: that's kind of overblown and that's what everyone's take. It's like, yeah,

1130
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: this twenty twenty five, maybe if it was ten years ago,

1131
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: but we live in a completely different climate. One and

1132
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: two Fox. You know you, guys, I would say, obviously

1133
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: a broadcast, like if you're doing a football game or

1134
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,959
Speaker 1: baseball game, it's fair series so different than anything else.

1135
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: But just in terms of regular programming, like you said,

1136
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: there aren't as many guardrails like be Yourself or ESPN,

1137
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: I would say definitely, even past you leaving leaned even

1138
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: more into like this is what we do. Stick into

1139
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: this and you're only allowed to be on one side,

1140
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: which is obviously bad business. Who do you think is

1141
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: watching football? Have you, guys seen the demos of the

1142
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: football watching audience? Like where the men lean in this country? Like, guys,

1143
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: this isn't just a math problem, and you lean away

1144
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: with it, you lean away from it, you deserve to

1145
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: fail because it's just it's pretty basic at this point

1146
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: in time. Who stands where?

1147
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: I think you have to be fair to barstool. If

1148
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: you bring barstool in, let them be barstool. I think

1149
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: when when when ESPN brought in Arstool and after a show,

1150
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: they're like, WHOA, well did you watch? Did you consume

1151
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: their content? Give me a break. It's like to me,

1152
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: if you're gonna bring him in and I and this

1153
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 2: is what I told the executive upstairs, just you know,

1154
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: you have to understand he's not a Dave's not a

1155
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 2: classic broadcaster, So don't hold him to that. Like like

1156
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: like I'm not Tom Ronaldy or Joe Buck. I'm an opinionist.

1157
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: I am going to You're gonna get a lot of

1158
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: hate mail and a lot of pushback on my opinions.

1159
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: Don't hold me to Joe Davis's brilliant doing baseball Like

1160
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: where if you're getting massive criticism, maybe you'd be concerned.

1161
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 2: If you're a generalist, that's the name of the game.

1162
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: When do we get the pardon my take? Colin Coward collaboration.

1163
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: Well, whenever they want, I'm available. I don't think they've.

1164
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: Ever Yeah, I mean you're in Chicago. They're in Chicago.

1165
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 1: Now we have the synergy with Fox. I mean it's

1166
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: I they're football guys, you're football guys. It's it's time Colin.

1167
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 2: Is you know what I don't. Yeah, well, I mean

1168
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: obviously I know who everybody is. They do they do?

1169
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: They have really they really do the podcast game right.

1170
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: They're smart, they're funny. They make news and that's a

1171
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: big part of it. Part of what barstool does very

1172
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: well is they make news like that's important. They know,

1173
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 2: they know the touchstones, they know the things people are

1174
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: talking about. And so, you know, traditional media has done

1175
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: themselves no favors over the last ten years. They have

1176
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: a lower approval rating than Congress. Like there's there is

1177
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: a And I'm in the media, I don't I read

1178
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm a subscriber to The New York Times, the Atlantic,

1179
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 2: but I read stuff cynically, like I know, I don't

1180
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: read it and just think I'll take their word for it.

1181
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: I don't think I read it like that ten years ago.

1182
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: I read it like that now that Joe, that Joe

1183
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 2: Biden stuff. I'm sorry. That's as bad as the media

1184
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: has ever done in my lifetime, where just basically it's

1185
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: pretty clear now they were covering up for him, like

1186
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

1187
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: I watched your you. I think it was a yesterday

1188
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: on Saturday. You put the you put out a little

1189
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: video on the Colbert canceling, and I was thinking back,

1190
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: I love Letterman as a kid and anytime, especially when

1191
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: I was young, could stay up late my parents, and

1192
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: as you get older, you stay up as late as

1193
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: you want. You always went to those I was a

1194
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: little too young for Johnny Carson, but Peacock put out

1195
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, and I've watched them on YouTube.

1196
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: It was an easy watch. So whether you were a

1197
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: huge liberal, whether you're a bit conservative, whether you don't

1198
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: care about politics, it had nothing to do with that.

1199
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: And I honestly society shifts. I grew up in a

1200
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: very liberal down I am not a liberal, and everyone

1201
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,919
Speaker 1: just kind of got along. You didn't even talk about

1202
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: it that often in now society, and I think sometimes

1203
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: the media they live even more in this kind of

1204
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: insulated bubble and they think it's like, you don't have

1205
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: to talk about this, like I'm coming to you to

1206
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 1: just laugh, to enjoy myself. And that's where sports when

1207
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: they shifted it away from that. I would say over

1208
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: the last decade, a lot of people in the sports media,

1209
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: it's like, Guys, this guy has a hard job, he's

1210
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 1: got two kids, his life stressful. When he turns on

1211
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: a sports program, definitely a game, he's just trying to relax.

1212
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: He does not need to get lectured. And one, you

1213
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: don't even know how he thinks. And two to tell

1214
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: him that he's on the wrong side of history about something.

1215
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: He's going to turn you off. It's not what he's

1216
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: coming for. And the lecture element of so many people,

1217
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: I think in newspapers, on traditional you know, political shows,

1218
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: is just not what a human being life stressful. I

1219
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: got a baby on the way. You know, you got

1220
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: a mortgage, you got you just got your parents are

1221
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: getting older. He's got stresses in life. You don't always

1222
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: need to be lectured.

1223
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 2: A lot of people, and this is my take. The

1224
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: traditional media, whether they admit it or not, are often

1225
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 2: writing and broadcasting to other media for the approval of

1226
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: other media. Podcasters aren't. No podcasters are talking to the consumer.

1227
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: There Joe Rogan is trying to create the most interesting

1228
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: show to the consumer. He does not give two shits

1229
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: about what other podcasters think of him. Traditional media is

1230
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: writing a column that deep down they're seeking the approval

1231
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: of their industry. And it's and I've said this about

1232
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 2: late night TV over the last eight to ten years.

1233
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes Carson did a show for the country, Letterman did

1234
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: it for the inside joke. Letterman didn't care about critics. Carson,

1235
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 2: I read his books, didn't either. I feel like today's

1236
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 2: hosts and producers on that late night stuff want to

1237
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: make sure the New Yorker accepts them. They're looking for

1238
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: the article. And I think, why would they.

1239
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: Have two hundred people working on a show. I mean,

1240
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: I've been a part of your operation. Could you imagine

1241
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: having one hundred people working? I mean, how could you

1242
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: possibly on a one hour show have that many people involved?

1243
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: How many writers do you need? I can't comprehend that,

1244
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 1: let alone from and I understand when you're in it,

1245
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: you know, you might not see that the balance sheet

1246
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we're losing fifty million dollars. The company

1247
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: has a better feel for that than maybe the people

1248
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: working on it. But it'd have to have some feel

1249
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: for like, is this really adding up what we're doing here?

1250
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: And the conduct yourself the way they are to lose

1251
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars a year, that's insane.

1252
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: I think late night shows ate themselves alive by talking politics.

1253
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: They turned off younger viewers. Colbert's average audience is sixty eight.

1254
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: He talks politics, so they ate themselves alive. That they

1255
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: were getting critical approval, but Colbert's show got older, it

1256
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: turned off young people. It turned off advertisers. Last six years,

1257
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: fifty percent of ad revenue. Late shows too political gone.

1258
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: The second thing is is the only time that Jimmy

1259
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 2: Kimmel or a Colbert or a Seth Meyers knows his

1260
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: show is going to be great when he wakes up

1261
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: in the morning is if he has another great comedian

1262
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: on it. If Seinfeld's going on Seth Myers, if the

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Speaker 2: late Norm MacDonald was going on Conan, if Kimmel has

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Speaker 2: Bill Burr, Jimmy wakes up knowing it's a great show.

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Speaker 2: The rest of the time, all those shows have to

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01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: bring on Hollywood people that they don't really watch or

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: care about their show. You rely on skits or a

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Speaker 2: monologue to hit and the truth is, Hollywood now is

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01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: so terrified of saying something that will alienate people within

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Speaker 2: Hollywood that it's fluff. They don't say anything. You go

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Speaker 2: back and watch Letterman actors and actresses. Actresses came on

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Speaker 2: and took their tops off. They didn't care. Letterman's people

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Speaker 2: were dancing on the set. It was sexual, it was inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: Nobody cares. The only time you get that now on

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Speaker 2: the late night shows is if Bill Burr, Ricky Gervais,

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 2: you know, John Mulaney, any comedian comes on. That's when

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Speaker 2: the Kimmels wake up in the morning, going Burr's on

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Speaker 2: a n Eye, Chappell's on Tonight. You rely on other

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Speaker 2: comedians who are unfiltered. If you're relying on a Hollywood

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Speaker 2: it is so pressurized not to offend somebody. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean whatever you think of Rob Schneider. Like when Rob

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Speaker 2: went right with his politics, it's like career over right,

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Speaker 2: Like that's I have a really good I have like

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Speaker 2: two friends in Hollywood. I don't plan in the game

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Speaker 2: at all, but they're like listen, it's you can feel it.

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Speaker 2: They are conversations and opinions you're not going to have

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Speaker 2: in these rooms pitching a project like and so I

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: think they ate themselves, Late night TV ate themselves. They

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Speaker 2: got too political, they got two partisan And the truth

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Speaker 2: is the only time that I really want to watch

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Speaker 2: Late night now is if the host who's a comedian

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Speaker 2: has another brilliant comedian and you get this moment with

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01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of two really funny guys shooting the shit

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Speaker 2: making each other laugh. Conan and Norm MacDonald rest in peace.

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Speaker 2: You know, Seinfelder said Myers fallon or like Kimmel gets

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Speaker 2: one of his guys on. You know, that's fifteen minutes

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Speaker 2: a great TV.

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Speaker 1: Do you think podcasts wipe them out? Though, a little bit,

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Speaker 1: because Conan can create a podcast and you can listen

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Speaker 1: to that and it's a well easy listen.

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Speaker 2: Podcasts are more authentic, more raw, more real. When I

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01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: watch late night TV, it feels neutered, sanitized and edited.

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: And again, the only time it doesn't is when when

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Speaker 2: the host who's a funny guy, comedian, stand up guy,

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Speaker 2: gets another comedian. Then I got fifteen minutes of great TV.

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Speaker 2: Other than that, the Hollywood stuff not remotely interested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree, All right, buddy, have a good Sunday.

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Speaker 1: The vo