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Speaker 1: Paul caldc So I'm looking over this tweet and I

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Speaker 1: notice something's missing from this tweet, the R word retirement.

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Speaker 1: Danny hinted at it earlier, and I'm now going back

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Speaker 1: because we've been through this before. We've been here and

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Speaker 1: done this a couple of years ago with a certain

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Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Fame receiver who was yet to

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Speaker 1: use the retirement word, and jj Watt doesn't actually use

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Speaker 1: the retirement word in his tweet that came out earlier

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Speaker 1: So I guess it lends itself to translation to some degree.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the Great Frank Caliendo tweeted out in response

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Speaker 1: to jj Watt's tweets, so, based on what I'm reading here,

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Speaker 1: jj Watt henceforth and going forward will only be playing

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Speaker 1: road games, which I thought that was pretty solid. That's

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Speaker 1: actually a fair point, although the difference, let's face it,

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Speaker 1: the differences. At least, jj Watt gave us a tweet

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Speaker 1: talking about last anything, whereas certain other guys that might

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Speaker 1: have warned Jersey number eleven just ghosted us all, yes

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Speaker 1: they did, and certain and well all of us here

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Speaker 1: actually have content that still is yet to be released,

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Speaker 1: as we're still stinking waiting for the retirement or to

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Speaker 1: be officially used, which he won't, can't, can't. In week

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, oh my goodness, I longed for the

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Speaker 1: days where the jj Watt tweet making news was about

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Speaker 1: you know, Buddy Morris being the most strength coach of

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Speaker 1: all strength coaches of all time. You know, something like that,

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Speaker 1: a hit and run video. That's what I thought when

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Speaker 1: I heard there was right, you know, why doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be so serious? Right here at the end of

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Speaker 1: the sea. We're in the holiday season. I mean, most

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Speaker 1: people aren't even working, and there's JJ Watt. Not only

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Speaker 1: is he grinding, he's dropping this serious toned announcement. You

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Speaker 1: gotta respect that. JJ Watt likes to take matters into

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Speaker 1: his own hands. He announced he was going to become

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Speaker 1: his Twitter when he said, source me. He went ahead

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Speaker 1: of the news that was going to break a couple

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Speaker 1: of months ago when he had his heart shocked, because

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Speaker 1: he wanted before that game in Carolina, because he wanted

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Speaker 1: was leaked. And he took matters into his own hands

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Speaker 1: announcing his retirement because that's what I'm going to take

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Speaker 1: it as Paul that he's not only going to play

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Speaker 1: road games next year, So I mean, you got to

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Speaker 1: respect it. He likes to control what's out there about him.

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Speaker 1: In terms of, you know, the narrative if it's not retirement. Man,

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Speaker 1: do a lot of people look dumb right now? Including me?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at social media, there's a

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Speaker 1: as if he was retiring. Wait, what do you mean

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Speaker 1: montage of all his plays. I mean, he's playing as

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Speaker 1: Is he not just the get off the quickness? Right?

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Speaker 1: He wasn't fully healthy last year, remember all, he came

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Speaker 1: But it did remind me. You'll remember this, Paul, after

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Speaker 1: Yet he didn't miss any games, so it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: You're saying he came to Arizona to retire, Yes, maybe, though,

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Speaker 1: of that Sunday night game against the Tama Bay Buck.

431
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 1: Yet where was the sideline reporter on this story? I mean,

432
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: this is what was disappointed. See most of the time

433
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 1: that would be yours truly, But now I get to

434
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 1: point straight at Danny Serek because I was probably pinch

435
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: it or up in the booth for day pass. So

436
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:22,679
Speaker 1: let's see, the sideline reporter was Danny. My jaws on

437
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 1: the floor and my brain's not working fast enough to

438
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: think of a comeback because I was so caught off guard. Oh,

439
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll come up with something. Did at a

440
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 1: point you see him kind of working the shoulder at all.

441
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: He didn't miss a play for God's sake, because are

442
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,360
Speaker 1: you Are you with me or against me? Now? Man,

443
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: I'm always with you. Danny Cliff said. He came to

444
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 1: the sideline Buddha and he's like, no, it's just it's

445
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 1: just it's just bruised, you know, it's like a contusion.

446
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: And then when they after the game, I guess they

447
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: got in an next ray it's fractured. And he played

448
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: all eighty one snaps with a fractured shoulder. We're talking

449
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: like Ronnie Lott type stuff. Here, cut my fingertip off, coach,

450
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm going back into the game. Am I supposed to

451
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Speaker 1: be surprised that when the Cardinals played in La and

452
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: Buddha was ruled out on that Monday and managed to

453
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 1: play and had the game sealing interception and ran on

454
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: that bum ankle that I'm supposed to be surprised that

455
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 1: with a fractured shoulder Buddha still played every snap because

456
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: I'm not reminds me of the The Black Night in

457
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: Monty Python where he gets all appendages cut off, just

458
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: out there, just just a flesh bo hemorrhaging and just

459
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it's um. So look when Cliff Kingsbury says,

460
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 1: you know, if when those coaches say, and it was

461
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 1: Bill Davis calling a hard knocks, but all the coaches

462
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: sy Buddha Baker as an example, even Mike Tomlin where

463
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: somebody posted that Mike Tomlin clip from NFL Films on

464
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: the Steelers sideline when they played the Cardinals a couple

465
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: of years ago, and Mike Tomlin just raving about Bruda Baker.

466
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 1: Now he's everywhere in Danny Knows having been down on

467
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: the sideline now and Darren you know from the preseason

468
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: as well. If you're ever in doubt, what was that

469
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: blur that just came by and created all that chaos,

470
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: it's number three. It's Buddha Baker winning doubt. It's Buddha

471
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: who just came flying in from nowhere to tackle the

472
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: guy you know around the ankles and just make a

473
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: ridiculous open field tackle. So the respect for his game

474
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: and him as a player only grows now that you

475
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: realize what exactly he played through to make it the

476
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 1: entirety of that game on Sunday night. Well, and now

477
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: you're talking. We were just talking about JJ Watt and

478
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: losing him as a leader. Now you don't lose him

479
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: for these two games we're talking about in the future,

480
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: but now you don't have Buddha in the locker room,

481
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: and I think those two guys are the main have

482
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: been the main spark in terms of making sure that

483
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: guys kept focus even though there's not a whole lot

484
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: left to play for. Yeah, you've lost eleven out of

485
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 1: fifteen this year, but the bottom hasn't fallen out, So

486
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: you do get worried. We'll bet now that you're not

487
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: on national TV and Buddha's not on in that field,

488
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: that you hope everyone does come to play against the

489
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Speaker 1: Falcons and then the season under against the forty nine

490
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: ers and guys do come to tackle, because well, no,

491
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: right away at the beginning of both these games, whether

492
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are ready to play leadership, especially from Buddha

493
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Baker and JJ Watt is incredibly important, and I don't

494
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: want to dispel that, but with the situation the Cardinals

495
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: have put themselves in, you're already out of the playoffs,

496
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: you've got two games left. If there are players in

497
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: that locker room that aren't going to show up and

498
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: give it their all for the sole fact that they

499
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,959
Speaker 1: don't have Buddha Baker or you know, next year not

500
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Speaker 1: having JJ Watt, I mean that's that to me is

501
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: no excuse. Like it's obviously great to have those type

502
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 1: of leaders and be there and have them kind of

503
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: rally you up and encourage you and all that good stuff.

504
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: But I don't if players aren't going to play their

505
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: best because of those two that that's another issue. That's

506
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: a valid point. I always think of the Rob Fredericson's story, Right.

507
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: Rob Frederickson tells the story when he was with the

508
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Speaker 1: Raiders one year and I actually remember this cover the

509
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: end of this season. They started eight and two sixteen

510
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: game season, they lost the last six and they went

511
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: into the final week of the season needing to win,

512
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: and you're in and he said a number of players

513
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: showed up at the Oakland Collis Sem and the players

514
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: parking lot, and they already had U hauls in the

515
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: back of their trucks. They had already moved out of

516
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: their condo or their apartment and fully expecting to lose

517
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: their sixth in a row. And they had already moved

518
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: out and handled and he just talked about out wrong.

519
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: That locker room had just succumbed and caved in at

520
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: some point over the final month of the season. So

521
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 1: we haven't seen that yet. With the Arizona Cardinals, we

522
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: have not. But you're also going against the Falcons team

523
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: that what has lost five in a row and his

524
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: five and ten, and they've lost a bunch of close games.

525
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: And it's going to be a little bit different when

526
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you're going against the Desmond ritter making his third career

527
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: start versus a Tom Brady was everybody now making his

528
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: three hundred thirty first career start. By the way, any

529
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Speaker 1: takeaways from that game on Sunday Night, beyond just the

530
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: whole JJ Watt Buddha Baker dynamic, anything else. I mean

531
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: to watch the instant chemistry between Trace McSorley and Greg Dortsch,

532
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: for example, Was it interesting instant or was it just

533
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: that's what was there, because those are the two guys

534
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: that it reminds me of the old school Josh McCown

535
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: Nate Pool chemistry because those were the two they that's

536
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: who you practiced with most of the time. That's what

537
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: I mean. It was instant right from the get go

538
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 1: of the game, That's what I meant. And then and

539
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: just how discombobulated the chemistry was with DeAndre Hopkins. Although

540
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: half those incompletions of DeAndre Hopkins we were there underthrown

541
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: or overthrown, there were some there was just some bad ball.

542
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean the targets he was Hopkins was targeted ten

543
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 1: times with the one catch, but the how many were catchable,

544
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: catchable targets, that's a whole different ball of wax. I

545
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: don't even know. Can you think of one that he

546
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: didn't catch that was really catchable? No, and hop in

547
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown seven combined target zero catches in the first half.

548
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: It was that one catch that kept hops longest active

549
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: streak in the NFL alive one hundred and forty five

550
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: consecutive games. With the reception. When I talked to Greg

551
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Dortch in the locker room, post game. He had mentioned

552
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: though that chemistry which trace McSorley did come from the

553
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: fact that they had spent so much time practicing together.

554
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: And when I asked him if he had an expectation

555
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: he was going to have such a large role, he

556
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: smiled and he said, yeah, I had a pretty good idea,

557
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Then learning when hearing from Hollywood Brown

558
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: that he had been late to a meeting and so

559
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: he knew that his playtime was going to be adjusted.

560
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: And then Cliff Kingsbury told us in his TV show

561
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: that they gave Farrell Cooper all the return duties to

562
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: take that much more off the play to Greg Dortch

563
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: because they wanted to make sure he played Eric free,

564
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: meant no mental errors, that everything was buttoned up and detailed,

565
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: and from all accounts, that's exactly what he did. And

566
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that's what the coaching staff was looking for.

567
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: Reading between the lines. For everyone who's wondering why there

568
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: have been really productive games from Greg Dortch and then

569
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: games where he's gotten virtually zero snaps or reps, reading

570
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: between the lines, I think that's it. It's been maybe

571
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 1: practice habits and or whether he's buttoned up in practice.

572
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Didn't he get yelled at during one practice by Kyler

573
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: an hard knocks. I was going to say, I don't

574
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: even know if you have to read between the lines,

575
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: if you just look. I mean, when Cliff's been asked

576
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: about it, he says he needs to do better. I mean,

577
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: he says it in a nicer way, but he's essentially

578
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: comes out and says, look that he's there's there's not

579
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: he's not detailed enough. Yeah, Now, all all fancy out

580
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: there is Greg Dortch making plays when he's had the chance,

581
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: And I understand that. But again, I do think that

582
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: other stuff makes a difference. And you can get mad

583
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: if you want, but that's the deal. And by the way,

584
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: speaking of a bad passes thrown about Tom Brady through

585
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: much of that game, that's it's remarkable to me that

586
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: they're averaging fifty pass attempts per game. Well, they can't run,

587
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: but when, but they need to figure out a run

588
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: game when Brady's passing game is lacking to that degree.

589
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, but they can't they I

590
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: think they've tried to run multiple times this season and

591
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: they go nowhere, and then they fall behind and then

592
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: and you're not doing anything offensively. Danny should be proud

593
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: of me because I refrained during the broadcast from using

594
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: the line something along the lines of, you know, Tom

595
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: Brady right now is passion and accuracy looks worse than

596
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: his crypto investment. I thought about going that route. I said,

597
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: you know what, this is an NFL broadcast. I can't

598
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: do that. We can't succumb to that level. So I

599
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: avoided that line. But thank you for saving it for

600
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: cardinals on the ground. Exactly to nobody's surprise. I don't

601
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: have my bingo card which has a cryptocurrency mentioned from you.

602
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: But that's minew Year's resolution. It's right, so for everyone,

603
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: for everyone who haven't made for everyone who's saying that

604
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: that Tampa is going to be playoff ready, that in

605
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: twenty twenty they were a five seed and ran the

606
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: table with three road victories and then hosted the Super

607
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: Bowl in their own joint and won the Super Bowl. Obviously,

608
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: for everyone saying that, look at the rest of the

609
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: NFC right now now, minus Aaron Rodgers, you have a

610
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: unproven playoff quarterbacks who are going to be in this

611
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: playoff field in the NFC. Why not taught me and

612
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: the rest of the crew. As a four seed, well,

613
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: based on what we just saw, it's far from a

614
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: guarantee that they even get a win against Carolina right now.

615
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't think there's any lock there in

616
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I mean, Carolina, Carolina, like Tampa, controls their

617
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: own destiny because the two teams play each other this weekend.

618
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: But if Carolina is Carolina has a chance to beat

619
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: Tampa this weekend and then win their final game and

620
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: be the division winner. So a lot's going to be known.

621
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: But I agree with you, I don't I don't see

622
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Tampa doing anything in the in the playoffs. I mean,

623
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I think right now, the way it's set up, the

624
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: NFC South team is going to host Dallas. I don't

625
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: see either the Panthers of the Buccaneers beating Dallas. I

626
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: don't care if they're home in that Dallas pass rush

627
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: against Tom Brady, you know, I mean, there's a there's

628
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: a reason why some of those are so inaccurate. First

629
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: and foremost, he's just worried about getting rid of the

630
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: football and just preserving himself. Sort of reminds me Peyton

631
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Manning at the very end of his career. There was

632
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: nothing more important than not taking the sack. So that

633
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: was one takeaway from that game. Otherwise, look, I mean,

634
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: there are certain things you're looking for in this these

635
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: last couple of games, and for me, it's still in

636
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: the past rush department. It's still a Cam Thomas, it's

637
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: still am J. Sanders. It was good to see Isaiah

638
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Simmons a top to tackle chart with eleven tackles. Not

639
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: to see a dB as you're leading tackler. So I

640
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: thought that was good. He's kind of a dB kind

641
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: of you're right in fact, you know what you're actually

642
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: right on. That didn't they They flashed a graphic that

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Speaker 1: said this year, I think fifty plus percent of his

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Speaker 1: snapped fluck corner. I mean, I did not realize it

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Speaker 1: was at that rate, but I did like that. When

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Speaker 1: we put out on our social media channels at Asy

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Speaker 1: Cardinals the holiday photos of every position group that Isaiah

648
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Speaker 1: was in, both the linebackers and the DB's photos, I

649
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Speaker 1: thought that was funny. I get your point about what

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Speaker 1: you need to see from those last two games in

651
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Speaker 1: terms of with my J Sanders and Cam Thomas, what

652
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Speaker 1: their potential is, what you're getting out of them what

653
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Speaker 1: you need to work on moving forward. But to me,

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Speaker 1: pass rush isn't really something that I feel like you

655
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Speaker 1: need to look at these final two games. I feel

656
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Speaker 1: like you know what you have and you know that

657
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Speaker 1: it's one of, if not the top need this offseason.

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Speaker 1: That and probably if we're gonna you know, offensive line.

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Speaker 1: But so I get your point, but that to me

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Speaker 1: is not like I feel like you know what you

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Speaker 1: have and what you need in your pass rush at

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Speaker 1: this point. I'm it's funny. I saw again. I think

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Speaker 1: it was social media. Hey, why don't these two games

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Speaker 1: mean nothing? Play all the young players tell me who

665
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: they're not playing now? They say start X or whatever.

666
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Speaker 1: But my j Sanders and Cam Thomas each played over

667
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Speaker 1: thirty snaps against the Buccaneers. They've been playing all season.

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Speaker 1: Like Danny said, I don't. I don't think there's anything

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Speaker 1: new that you would learn from them in their rookie year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think they're going to get

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Speaker 1: that much further ahead if they play forty five snaps

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Speaker 1: instead of thirty five snap over these two games. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't cut it back at all. But I don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if there's any young guys that aren't playing

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Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, get them out on the field.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Lucida Smith maybe Other than that, I don't they've

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Speaker 1: played all the young guys you a had too. The

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Speaker 1: only one I could think of as if you're really

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Speaker 1: trying to look ahead, would be with Byron Murphy going on, ir,

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Speaker 1: are you going to use Christian Matthew and Marco Wilson?

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Speaker 1: Maybe a little more from what you want to see,

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Speaker 1: But even then I would agree with I do think

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't mind seeing a little bit more Christian Matthew.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Marco Wilson's played pretty well this year, and

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Speaker 1: I think he's getting better, and that's a that's a

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Speaker 1: good sign, especially when you don't know if Byron Murphy's

687
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Speaker 1: gonna be around next year. Johanta Ingraham, depending on where

688
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Speaker 1: you're gonna fall in the draft, what are you gonna need? Like,

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Speaker 1: those are the names that really more stick out to me.

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Speaker 1: Of I feel like you know what you have in

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Speaker 1: Sanders and Thomas at this point and what you're gonna

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Speaker 1: want to work on. I would think of Christian Matthew.

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Speaker 1: I could see Lucida Smith, although I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: they're going to make changes that offensive line at this point,

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Speaker 1: I think that, and that's I guess that ultimately. I

696
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: mean the thought process when people say play those guys

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Speaker 1: is basically, we don't care if you lose fifty to nothing.

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Speaker 1: Well guess who does care if they lose fifty to nothing.

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Speaker 1: The entire coaching staff and the entire playing roster. They care.

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Speaker 1: I know it. I know it makes everybody mad. And

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Speaker 1: I know people are freaking out when they almost beat

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Speaker 1: the Buccaneers, like, oh man, they might not have a

703
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Speaker 1: fourth pick, they might have the seventh pick. Nobody cares.

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Speaker 1: That's actually on the field trying to win. Guess what,

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Speaker 1: in that locker room, there is still a process, a

706
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: hierarchy of you need to earn it in terms of

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Speaker 1: the playing time. So if someone hasn't earned it and

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Speaker 1: they're just awarded the playing time, yeah, that can wrinkle

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Speaker 1: a few feathers as well in there. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: if you're the person screening play all the young guys

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Speaker 1: and then keanta Ingram drops a pitch, then don't be

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Speaker 1: the one, you know, lamenting and griping about all the

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Speaker 1: growing pains to go along with playing some of the

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Speaker 1: younger guys. That's a good point too. So actually the

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Speaker 1: big question for me is quarterback. I mean, and it's

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Speaker 1: not just whether we see Coal McCoy or not. And

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Speaker 1: then they argument, do you really need or want to

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Speaker 1: see Colton McCoy And what is the risk reward? What

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Speaker 1: is to be gained by playing a Colt McCoy if

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Speaker 1: he is declared healthy and that's the only way in

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Speaker 1: which he would play. Okay, you could argue that either way,

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Speaker 1: because what if Colt McCoy is your starting quarterback to

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Speaker 1: start next year or the first half of next year.

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Speaker 1: It's totally uncertain and unknown at that point, so I

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Speaker 1: guess there would be benefit to that, even though he's

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Speaker 1: thirty six years of age. But if you just saw

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Speaker 1: everything you need to see what Tracey McSorley, are you

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Speaker 1: preparing to play David Blow at some point just to

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Speaker 1: get a look? Honestly? I mean, are you going to

730
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Speaker 1: give nothing else? Maybe give David Blow the final game

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Speaker 1: in San Francisco if he's ramped up enough in the

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Speaker 1: playbook to be capable and adept enough. Merry Christmas, David Blow,

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Speaker 1: You're one start for this team, is going to be

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Speaker 1: against the best defense in the NFL and potentially the

735
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: best defense in the NFL like the last five years.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, let's see that, get rid of the ball quick,

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Speaker 1: David Blow, Let's see it, let's go. It's And by

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Speaker 1: the way, the Niners might be sitting a lot of

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Speaker 1: players in that final game, depending on whether it matters

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Speaker 1: or not in their playoff positioning. Who knows, But honestly,

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they're because supposedly David Bloud did get

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Speaker 1: first team reps going into the Tampa game, But was

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Speaker 1: that more so too because you didn't trust Trace McSorley,

744
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: or because the Cardinals were coming off back to back

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Speaker 1: games with quarterback injuries that you wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: that your backup quarterback who'd only been here for seven

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Speaker 1: ten days, felt comfortable enough if you had to go

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Speaker 1: in the game. Maybe, or once again, reading between the lines,

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Speaker 1: if Trace McSorley had picked up where he left off

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Speaker 1: in Denver with some bad interceptions and some bad play

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00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: and looking at a little frazzled and not getting the

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00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: ball out on time, or do the right spots, then

753
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: guess what, maybe you do make a change at some point.

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00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: And let's all be honest, were we're not looking at

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Speaker 1: each other at halftime in a field goalfest. Actually by

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Speaker 1: the end of the third quarter and no Stoll all

757
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,959
Speaker 1: field goals before the first touchdown of the game was scored.

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: Wondering mm. I mean, we kept looking down in the

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Speaker 1: sideline from the booth as to whether number seventeen was

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00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: warming up or nine. Yeah, I don't think it would be.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it would have shocked anybody. But again,

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Speaker 1: the part of the problem right now is you're down

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Speaker 1: to your third string and or fourth string quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: watched Monday Night football this week, and I know Trace

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Speaker 1: McSorley didn't play well. He played better than Nick Foles did.

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Speaker 1: It's true, that is true. You're right. We all realize

767
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: why Nick Foles wasn't playing, and you saw it. I mean, so,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be appreciably better.

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Speaker 1: And why did they play Nick Foles because Sam Ellinger

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Speaker 1: and Matt Ryan weren't playing. I mean, again, when you

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Speaker 1: don't have a guy the guys, it's gonna look ugly

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00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: sometimes it just is. So this Sunday, we got to

773
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Speaker 1: look at Desmond Ritter, the third round pick out of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: who's going to be making his third career start for

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. If you're gonna see Drake London, who

776
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: was a top ten receiver picked out of USC, can

777
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: anyone name a single player on the Falcons defense? Go ahead,

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Speaker 1: that's what I thought, John Abraham, Deon Sanders, that would

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Speaker 1: be a double no. That would be By the way,

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Speaker 1: how is coach Prime doings as an ASU alum? How

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00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: concerned are you about Coach Prime and Boulder Darren? Come on, now,

782
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: that's gonna be fantastic, especially since he's got probably some

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00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: nice NI L ties that can make it work real good.

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Speaker 1: Although I'm quite happy with fellow Chaparral graduate Kenny Dellingham

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00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: at a SU so far, and they've got one of

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Speaker 1: the best portal transfer groups coming in out of anyone

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Speaker 1: in the nation. So they've done a nice job so far.

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Speaker 1: Go Fireberg. It worked for USC last year, Lincoln Riley's

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Speaker 1: first year on the job, got a ton of transfers.

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Speaker 1: So there you go. That's what we're down to here

791
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: in week seventeen talking about NI in the transfer portal

792
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: in the college game. That's where unless you have anything else, Danny,

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Speaker 1: that you know you need to I don't know, direct

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00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Darren's way or anything like that. No, she's she's waiting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay. Right now. I had a few little comments

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Speaker 1: made in the cafeteriat lunch, so I feel pretty good

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Speaker 1: about myself right now. Really, she went up, got a

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Speaker 1: little food, come over, jabbed me, went back, get a

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Speaker 1: little more food, came back, jabbed me. Yeah, as I

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Speaker 1: was putting hot sauce on my food at the table

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Speaker 1: Darren was sitting at That's when I was making my comments,

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Speaker 1: and then I left. I see, okay, so it's a

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Speaker 1: constant back and forth here, I see. Do you guys

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Speaker 1: have New Year's resolutions? Hard Knocks needs to mike up

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Speaker 1: YouTube guys around the office is what they need to do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: new Year's resolutions, I really don't. My new year's resolution

807
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Speaker 1: is just to get through the end of this season.

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Speaker 1: That's lame. Here's your home, here's your homework, who's your

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Speaker 1: homework assignment? And this is a loaded question. When we

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Speaker 1: come back for next week's Cardinals Underground first one of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, everyone needs twenty twenty three already. Everyone

812
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: needs to have a new Year's resolution for everyone else

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Speaker 1: except yourself. That will get that will get things rolling

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Speaker 1: in a big way. Okay, Okay, I'm gonna make my

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Speaker 1: being a card so your new Year's resolution, Danny, I

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Speaker 1: know you can't wait. You're already. I can see your

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Speaker 1: mind already cranking. I can see the thought bubble above

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Speaker 1: your head right now, thinking of all the different suggestions,

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Speaker 1: value added suggestions you're gonna have. For Darren Urban for

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Speaker 1: his New Year's resolutions list. Oh, this is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually write this down when I get to

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Speaker 1: my desk after this. That's so I don't forget to

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Speaker 1: do that exactly. Okay, that'll do it for this edition

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