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Speaker 1: Welcome to who was the history question that gives contestants

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Speaker 1: be you can't be too careful even when you're watching

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Speaker 1: a movie. And welcome everyone to the Who Was Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This show it's like Jeopardy, only with surprise guests, silly games,

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Speaker 1: sent Who Was books about two great figures from history.

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Speaker 1: Now they're here to show off their knowledge and the

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Speaker 1: But before we get to know them, let's get to

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Speaker 1: So you know what, Let's not talk about April and

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Speaker 1: with four fast facts. Rachel Carr Sin was born in

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Speaker 1: Thanks be once upon a game show, Dreary. It's time

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Speaker 1: with the scores. That laugh really makes things, Edgar, doesn't it? Wow?

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