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Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing Covery Jump NFL Combine

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Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We are back. I am Dalilali

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Speaker 1: here with west Uler. We're gonna a little punished here

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Speaker 1: you go. You were like the Spider Man meme. Here

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Speaker 1: we're pointing back and forth at each other. That that

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Speaker 1: laugh you just heard hiss. Max starts he's jumping in

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Speaker 1: in place of Matt Williams, and of course Matt had

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Speaker 1: Max jumping in here. Max, Uh, this has to be

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Speaker 1: something of a different feel for you, for you coming

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Speaker 1: here to the combine. Obviously here as a player. You

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Speaker 1: you were telling me before you were here as a

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Speaker 1: uh what did you call it? A Legends captain for

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Speaker 1: the offensive line crew. So you know, and so it's

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Speaker 1: like now I've seen it like full circle. Now this

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Speaker 1: now from the media aspect of it, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It's surreal. It's surreal to

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Speaker 1: be back and involved in this because this is where

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Speaker 1: it started, essentially, right, I mean, my path to the

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Speaker 1: NFL started Indianapolis started at the Combine. This is day

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Speaker 1: one and now to see it essentially nineteen years later, um,

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Speaker 1: and it's completely different from what I saw, but still

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Speaker 1: the same anxiety kind of sits there, the butterflies of

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Speaker 1: this And did you feel that when you were flying

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Speaker 1: to me a little bit here because I was already

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Speaker 1: under duress and literally taking a similar flight from Phoenix

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Speaker 1: to Hear because I trained it what was then Athletes

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Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, this is like, this is crazy. And

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Speaker 1: it was a night flight just like I had yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, it's pretty cool, it's pretty fun and

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Speaker 1: still still still still got a little bit of nerves.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I have to go do the

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Speaker 1: bench press over there. They used to have a fake

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Speaker 1: and do like you could you could do the forty

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Speaker 1: five reps now, yeah, exactly, yeah, that one. Yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: got I've got about fifteen for you, maybe Max, all right,

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Speaker 1: so I gotta know. Uh. Last week, Arthur Moates told

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Speaker 1: you you have any question? Because they had actually sat

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Speaker 1: So you know, it's funny. My horror story was a

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Speaker 1: They so I'm going through this and then at the end,

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Speaker 1: to go do an m R I. Alright, cool, well

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, what could this possibly be.

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Speaker 1: They have the similar set up for all yes, medical row,

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Speaker 1: I call it death row. But thirty two teams are

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Speaker 1: truly the a true stress test, like the best way

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Speaker 1: you can manufacture it humanely, that's what you're getting done here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: boodline humane, but it is. It is just intense for

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Speaker 1: it is just NonStop. Now when you came back then

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, engagement. Now. Guys asked for my number

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Speaker 1: different age demographic. Right now, Yeah, you were it's interesting

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Speaker 1: you you started your NFL career in two thousand and four.

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Speaker 1: from your voicemail message, dude, is have a conversation. We

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Speaker 1: And even Steve Kim. I was listening to Steve Kim

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Speaker 1: He's like, I've made mistakes and the thing that we've

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Speaker 1: learned as as you've been a GM for a longer tenure,

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Speaker 1: is that it's okay to give guys kudos and not

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Speaker 1: am I gonna get my blue check? You know, all

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Speaker 1: of these other things that are ancillary to us, right,

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Speaker 1: But for them, that's the digital age we look at

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Speaker 1: it sounds weird when when I say it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Dale it feels the same way, but was I

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Speaker 1: top ten to do that, and I don't know you

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00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: want to do that unless you're absolutely sold that that

426
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Speaker 1: guy is the next Pat Mahomes. I mean, is your

427
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 1: franchise is your franchise, then then you can go get him.

428
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: But I just don't know that these guys are that.

429
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,479
Speaker 1: And so, you know, making that kind of move and

430
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,959
Speaker 1: giving up that kind of draft capital is too many holes.

431
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 1: How many holes? I'm not I'm not if I have

432
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: seven holes, I'm not gonna go say, you know what,

433
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: I got just one piece of wood Williams the whole

434
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 1: draft to go get exactly Yeah, yeah, please, thank God.

435
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: By the way, I hope, Coach Dick, I hope you're

436
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: feeling better. Um, But yeah, I mean I think that

437
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,919
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're at. And then now if

438
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,479
Speaker 1: it's next year's class, like you get now you have

439
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: some guys, you have some guys who are like, Okay,

440
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 1: we need to make some decisions about how we're gonna jump.

441
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,479
Speaker 1: But for this year, there's so many pieces that you

442
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: can fill with staying in your position and guys who

443
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 1: will be available to you. Because I can't say quarterbacks

444
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 1: the top priority for me for the Steelers, I can

445
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: honestly say I said offensive and defensive line trenches are

446
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: absolutely paramount, and I would say defensive line gets the

447
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: precedence over that a nose tackle. We saw how bad

448
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 1: it was, and we saw how taking a guy off

449
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: the Saints practice squad and thinking he's the truth for

450
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 1: us made all of us that much happier, right, I

451
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: mean the fact that he made some plays they were

452
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: still doing they were still giving up a hundred seventy yards, right,

453
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,680
Speaker 1: but at least he made two TFLs in the game.

454
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Speaker 1: And I mean, and when you think about this, Isaiah

455
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 1: louder Milk, right at the beginning of a preseason has

456
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: a friends guy that may or may not need, probably

457
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: on a scholarship this year exactly week twelve, were like,

458
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: why is he not in the lineup? You know? So

459
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: so I think, And when you have Davonte Wyatt Jordan

460
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: Davis are primed available right there, how do you not

461
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: take that guy because they're gonna be available later. And then,

462
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: like you said, the offensive linement, there's no one offensive

463
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 1: linement's gonna change your fortunes in this year's show. Like

464
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: I feel like the offensive line group outside of linder

465
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Speaker 1: Bomb from Iowa, like there's not really a guy that's like,

466
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I gotta have him. I think linder

467
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: Bomb will be gone by the time the Steelers gonna

468
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 1: But there's so many other guys you can get in

469
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: the second, third, fourth round to fill out the offensive

470
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Speaker 1: line woes, and we still got a you know what

471
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: free agency presents. I think linebackers is still something we're

472
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna have to look at. You have to look at

473
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: replacement for Joe Hayden as well, because he's not getting

474
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: any younger and you need to have those corners there.

475
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Speaker 1: So quarterbacks just not at the top of my mind,

476
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Eighteen years. Oh my god, this guy

477
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: is falling. But at the end of the day, Ben

478
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 1: came into a situation that was built around him, so

479
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: he just plugged in when he did when he was drafted.

480
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: Whereas now, if you're reaching and trying to get the

481
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: quarterback and then build everything around him, you kind of

482
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: set yourself back back about two or three years. I

483
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Speaker 1: agree that that's what the Jets have been you know,

484
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: we talked about that a little bit earlier too. It

485
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Speaker 1: feels like that's what the Jets have been doing. Where

486
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: I want to Dak Prescott right like I want I

487
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: want to bring my quarterback in the league, and I've

488
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: got the running back and I've got the offensive line,

489
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: and I think you can accomplish the you know, building

490
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: the trenches back up this year, getting some of those things,

491
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Speaker 1: like you said, reinforcing some key areas of the defense,

492
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Speaker 1: and then maybe it's next year you go up and

493
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: you get a Shroud or a Bryce Young or then

494
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: you go get your prize and you pay that capital

495
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: when you've got the support them the foundation around him.

496
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: Look at Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson's another great Rustle was

497
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: another great, great example of how that works out for

498
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: you when you don't have to reach, because that reach,

499
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: let's face it, the time, you're gonna be wrong. You're

500
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: going to be wrong. And it's like, this is a

501
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: crapshoot at this level. At It's like, no matter how

502
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: great he played in college on that film, how does

503
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 1: that translate to the NFL? Does this guy actually know

504
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: how to play, how to read plays? Does he know

505
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: how to study properly the work to work? And do

506
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: you have guys in the room that can also police that.

507
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: Do you have enough requisite veterans? Because the league is

508
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: so young now you know you're sitting there. I mean

509
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: I watched the Rams at the end of my career

510
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: when I went over there with Jeff Fisher, they were

511
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: for the third year in a row, the youngest team

512
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And they're looking at me like, hey grandpa.

513
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, hey, yeah, what year were you born?

514
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: I actually kissed my first girl year you were born? Alright,

515
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: So moving on, But I mean, but that's just kind

516
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: of where we're at. So, I mean, you have to

517
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: have the right support place, and I think for the

518
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: Steelers there is the right supporting place for the other

519
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 1: positions you need to draft. I don't know if that

520
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: supports there for the quarterback because look at who's in

521
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: your room, Mason Rudolph and Dwayne Haskins. If you bring

522
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: in a quarterback, who's teaching him? Right? Who's the leader

523
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: at that? And that's something that's always been there for

524
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: the Steelers. There's always been that pay it forward Tommy Man,

525
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: Charlie Batch was in there when Ben came in, and

526
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: Charlie was by his side. I was gonna say every

527
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: time Ben came off the field, who was the first

528
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: person to think about the offensive lineman that were there

529
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: when you were drafted? Yeah, Alan Fannika, Jeff Harding's, Marvel Smith,

530
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: Kendall Simmons, right, Oliver Ross, Kedrick Vincent, Like I had

531
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: guys you could go to and say that they hadn't

532
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: played the game for a long time. Who sat next

533
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: to me in my room for nine years? That was

534
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 1: my mentor, Like Barrett showed me how to watch film.

535
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 1: And I wasn't having to ask Alan Fanica to take

536
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: time away from his prep to teach a rookie how

537
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: to do it. No, there were other veterans available that

538
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: groomed you along the way. So, I mean, it's that

539
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: that's where we kind of missed that. Now because of

540
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: the way the salary cap has been restructured with rookie

541
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: wage scale, you kind of cut out a lot of

542
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: the middle class and you get super contracts and then yeah, yeah,

543
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: then you get what's left old. When people asked me

544
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: last year what's missing with the Steelers said they have

545
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: no middle class, it's that you get that, you get

546
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: the Roethlisberger's, the Haywards, Hayden's, those guys at the top

547
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: end of the pay scale, and then and then everybody

548
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: else is on a rookie deal. There's no middle class there.

549
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: There's no there's no remote foster there, there's no you know,

550
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: no of these guys. You know, those guys are all

551
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: for five straight weeks last year they played those guys

552
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: who you know, they played the Alajandra villain the wave

553
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: as they played the you know, the guy week after

554
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: week that had been their middle class and now they

555
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: were off plans somewhere else because they couldn't afford it. Yeah, yeah,

556
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: and that and that's one of the things that you know,

557
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: I know, will not get fixed because teams are obsessed

558
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: with how the rookie cap gives you that quarterback for

559
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: five years that you can build things around. They're they're

560
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: obsessed with that type of aspect of the penny pinching

561
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: and the and the money counting in that situation. But

562
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: you do, you do lose that meat. So when you

563
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: have veterans on your special teams that usually fill out

564
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: right right, the Clint Cree Waltz of the world, right

565
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: the Sean Morey's, those type of guys who are special

566
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: teams aces that won't see offensive or defensive snaps and

567
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: less than a pinch, you don't have super valuable super valuable.

568
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: And they also help with the integrity of the team

569
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: because those guys also bring a lot of experience, so

570
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: now they can impart wisdom upon the guys that the

571
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: starters don't have time to bring along because you can't

572
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: coach anymore, like coaches are literally coaching week to week

573
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: with the time constraints. So if I need extra help

574
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: after practice, I can't talk to my coach, I gotta

575
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: talked to a player that's playing my position. And when

576
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: you have a backup guy that has veteran experience, that's

577
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: where you usually go to and you don't have that now,

578
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: so now it's like I gotta figure it out on

579
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: my own. So it makes it so much tougher. Yeah,

580
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: it absolutely does. And and well, you know, I think

581
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: the Steelers can kind of start because they have cap

582
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: space this year, can re established some of that middle class. Again,

583
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: I don't know that people want them to go out

584
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: and make a couple of big splash signings and phrases.

585
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: You know, they need to get like five or six

586
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: mid level free agents to help fill out the depth

587
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: of the roster. You need, you need, And that's what

588
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I said. You need to plug a bunch of holes.

589
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: So stop trying to use a cork to plug one hole.

590
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 1: You use a plank and cover three to four, right,

591
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing, like, oh my god,

592
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: you gotta go Aaron Rodgers and Russell one of these

593
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: top dollar quarters. I was like, well, who's gonna protect him? Right?

594
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: If you go do that, you don't have the resources

595
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: available to bring in some of the vet lineman's that

596
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: you need to fill in. And it can't be rookies.

597
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: You can't bolster it with rookies. Yes, you build through

598
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: the draft, but it's only seven quote unquote picks with

599
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: a couple of compensatories in there, you know, and you

600
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: assume that five will make the roster. So five rookies,

601
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: and we saw what starting a bunch of rookies look

602
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: like last year, Day one, four rookies starting on the

603
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: offense with a eighteen year old quarterback. You know that

604
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: it was bad at points. So do you want to

605
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: go back to that because you you've already seen it.

606
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: And I would say ben for better or for worse,

607
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: at least allowed it to be a little bit better

608
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: than it was. But that is halatious. Now go through

609
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: a rookie quarterback back there right now, you're gonna get

610
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: even younger. Yeah, get even younger by there. You know,

611
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: the old adage of you don't know what you don't know?

612
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: It comes into even worse. How do nobody knows? Nobody knows?

613
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, we're gonna run X thirty six ray

614
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: and z ze ghost. Uh huh uh huh you can

615
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: you repeat that? Please? No? No, what what was the run? No,

616
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not a run, it's a pass. Oh god, okay,

617
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: that's what six? Yeah, I gotta flip those It's like yeah, no,

618
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's where you know that's what this

619
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: this time is is to prove that. But we know

620
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: that March fourteen, free agency starts. We'll see who really

621
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: is available because obviously waiting to finish up with all

622
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: the tags and and contracts that were that were signed

623
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: before they were supposed to be signed, and there's no tampering,

624
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: dada da da uh. But to really see what's available

625
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: and try and get quality and quantity at the same

626
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: time and then allow the draft to dictate what else

627
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: is because I mean, yeah, would could you go get

628
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: somebody as a filler for a year? Absolutely, I mean

629
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: that those are availing. If you don't like Dwayne, you

630
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: don't like Mason. There's some middle class quarterbacks you could

631
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: get for a value that will play, especially will play

632
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: a one year proven deal if they've been sitting in

633
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: a backup role, especially in Buffalo that was with the Bears.

634
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just, I'm just but yeah, you know

635
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: you like college football in the Carolinas. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

636
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: one of your great starting Yeah, first round pick got duked. Uh,

637
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Speaker 1: thank you San Franz for that one to the fleece job.

638
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: But I think you know, you can go find some

639
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: guys that would that would not break the bank, and

640
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: then you can do the rest of the resources and

641
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: build these young guys for positions that are of great need.

642
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean, offensive and defensive line is a great need

643
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: because we don't see run defense like we saw last year,

644
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: like that's that's never and offensive line protections and guys

645
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: that could not pick up the double barrel in Minnesota

646
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: against Mike Sellis, it was I mean I almost wanted

647
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: to go grab one of their uniforms and put it

648
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: on because I was like I might have been I

649
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: might have been retired for the last seven years. I

650
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: still know how to pick up double barrel exactly. And

651
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, and and here's the thing. People wanted to

652
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: get on Adrian Clem about it, But there's just certain

653
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: things that you can't put on the coach because the

654
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: coaches don't have that time like they used to. So

655
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: you have to be self starting. And there was nobody

656
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: to look to what we're gonna look to, Hey, Trey Turner,

657
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: how do you pick this up? I was not playing

658
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: for the Chargers last year, and I've been in the NFC.

659
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer I might have seen him once, but I

660
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: didn't really see him that much. I saw him in

661
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: Cincinnati before he took that job, and he was doing

662
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: the same thing, and you learn how to pick it up.

663
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: So that was And also with COVID players like myself,

664
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: we we don't have access to the guys to talk

665
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: to them. We were not allowed to speak to them.

666
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: So that frustrates me even more that I can't help,

667
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: especially as alignment, and I love Clem and and so

668
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: I want to help Clem, but I can't help Clem

669
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Speaker 1: at the same time because that's not allowed. You have

670
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you have to be tier one, tier two, can't be

671
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: a tier three and hanging out with the tier ones.

672
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: So it's it's exactly no, no, you go sit over there,

673
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: short bus. That's your pickup lane, you know. And so

674
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: and so I think that's where you have to kind

675
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: of get back and say, hey, let's let's let's use

676
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: the young guys to fill up what we need as

677
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: a priority. That's gonna have long term effects offensive defensive line.

678
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: It always takes a little bit longer for them to

679
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: mature anyways, Get them in the building first, Get those

680
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: guys established so that you can have the base in

681
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: the meat. If you don't control the line, of scrimmage.

682
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: You don't control the game. I know quarterbacks win games,

683
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks will win you championships, but if you don't

684
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: have a line protecting them, and you don't have a

685
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: defensive line that's defending you, you're never gonna have it.

686
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: Why were the Rams so good this year? You had

687
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: veterans on both sides of that ball. Aaron Donald to

688
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: Von Miller on a D line. You can tell all

689
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: the young guys what to do. Andrew Whitworth seventeen years

690
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: in the league and left tackle, He's gonna tell the

691
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: young guy note Boom on the right side what he

692
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: needs to do. And you have Brian Allen, who has

693
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: been in the league six seven. Weddo comes out of

694
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Speaker 1: retirement off of the rec League basketball team to Ghost

695
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: to Go starting the playoffs. I love Eric because I

696
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: was I was. I was at the Chargers with Eric

697
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: and so I was like, I was like Eric, He's like,

698
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: I re retired. I retired. There's the it's just gone.

699
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: It's just gone. Bro. I was like, so, I mean so,

700
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Speaker 1: but but that's what you need. You need that type.

701
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: They don't have that. They don't have those guys. Yes,

702
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: you have Cam, but Cam can't tell a rookie center

703
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: how to play. It's not it's not gonna work. And

704
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: that's your most experienced got and Trey is year one

705
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: here at are being injured a year before, so he

706
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: doesn't feel comfortable saying anything. And then Chris Wormley is

707
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: coming from a different team. He was supposed to be

708
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: a backup that got thrust to a starting job. And

709
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: you you don't have tyson A la Walla, and you

710
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: don't have steff to it now you now you have

711
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: scramble drill every week. Every week was a scramble drill. Absolutely,

712
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Speaker 1: we're gonna take another break before we come back for

713
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Speaker 1: our final segment of the day. He is Max Starks.

714
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: That's West Jeweler. I am Dale Lollly. You're listening to

715
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Speaker 1: our live coverage here on s n R and ESPN

716
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Speaker 1: Night seventy from the Scouting Combine. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: more right after this live from Indianapolis. This is continuing

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Speaker 1: covery Jumbo NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, and we're back.

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Speaker 1: Our Combine coverage is presented by First National Bank. Let's

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Speaker 1: get started, Member f d I C. I'm Dale Lally

721
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: here with Max Starks. And West Jeweler, and we're wrapping

722
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Speaker 1: up the day's events here. Tomorrow the fun begins. Tomorrow,

723
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: the fun begins the quarterbacks, the wide receivers. We'll get

724
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: to talk to them in the pro king position groups.

725
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 1: They'll start working out and yeah, they get the bench

726
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: press areas right over here will be Uh, I assume.

727
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if they do that tomorrow or if

728
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: that's gonna starts. I think it starts tomorrow. They had

729
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: the schedule out there in the hallway somewhere, so we

730
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: should be able to figure out. The fans are allowed to. Yeah,

731
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: you'll hear the fans when something good's happening over there,

732
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: start to cheer and do those kind of things. And

733
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: we can actually see this year kind of where from

734
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Speaker 1: where we're at here. Uh, previous years we were a

735
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: little farther over, so you couldn't actually see the guy's

736
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: bench pressing it to kind of look around. Well, now

737
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Speaker 1: we can. They know how loud we are at this table,

738
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Speaker 1: so they moved us back into the corner. Yeah they

739
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: know they heard, they heard Uhler was coming back, and

740
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: so yeah, they're like, no, no, no, let's put let's

741
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: put the talkers in the back corner, just like school,

742
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, you know the quiet kids up front, they

743
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: had to tempt us to max. They got the the

744
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, the mad and bus over there. I know,

745
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: I told day if you can't find me, I'm in

746
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: there on the sticks giving some kids the hands exactly.

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00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm like, I'm glad it wasn't set

748
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: up today. I was like, y'all might not have caught

749
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: me for this last hour. But if you look at

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00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: the schedule for guys talking tomorrow, they're gonna start at

751
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: eight am with the court. You got some of the

752
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers and quarterbacks coming out later in the day,

753
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: nine to ten more quarterbacks at some tight ends mixing

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00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: in there as well. Uh. And then Wednesday from eleven

755
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: thirty uh, more quarterbacks, more wide receivers as quarterbacks, tight ends,

756
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Speaker 1: and wide receivers. Tomorrow Thursday, we start to get the

757
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: offensive lineman they used to go first. Yeah, I know,

758
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: it's switched. I'm like, what happens with money. Money changes everything.

759
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to talk about the quarterbacks, the wide receivers,

760
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: who they get to go first. They're looking for that

761
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: that dynamic duo and office a linement. We just get

762
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: keep getting pushed back, pushed back. But I mean, I

763
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: think that's one of the things is also right. You

764
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: want to engage people say they want to stay, because

765
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: if if you have to wait to the middle, some

766
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: people might lose interest. I mean, I get it, offensive

767
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: lines on a sexy position. It's more of that necessity

768
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: that you just you don't think about it, like life insurance, right,

769
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Speaker 1: I don't think about it. I just pay the policy.

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Speaker 1: Y're any year out and then when when something does happen,

771
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I got a policy for that. Oh yeah,

772
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: we got offensive line and they're they're good. They're good.

773
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Speaker 1: What do you think of this year's offensive line group, Max,

774
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: I think I think it's good. It's not great. I

775
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: don't think there's anybody that just, oh my gosh, this

776
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 1: stands out. You know, there is no there's no Penny

777
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: Seel type of player that's just, oh my gosh, we

778
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: gotta have him right now. You know, there's no cre

779
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: and even Creed Humphrey, who's a guy I loved, but

780
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: because he was left handed, people didn't like him as much.

781
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, now, listen, the dudes A certified baller,

782
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't care what hand he's snapping

783
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: it with. Most of the quarterbacks won't shotgun anyway, so

784
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: it shouldn't matter how it how it comes to you.

785
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Now under center, I get it right, how you receive

786
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: the laces and everything else. But he's also a sinner.

787
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Speaker 1: He can change it if you need if if need

788
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: be so. But um, I mean when I look at

789
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Speaker 1: this card, I think linder Bond is probably the class

790
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: of it, and and that that's a center position. So

791
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: the tackles are all good, not excellent. Um. So I

792
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: think that's why you kind of see a lot of

793
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: them that are going to be mid to the end

794
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: of the first round, you'll start seeing a run on

795
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: them because you know, Charlie Cross kid from Mississippi State

796
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 1: is a good one. Um, Kade May's another one, Tennessee kid. Um.

797
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: So you have you have some good guys. You got

798
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: you got um two kids from UH from Michigan State. UM,

799
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I think are decent interior lineman. So you're going to

800
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: have some guys. But nobody jumps out. Nobody is the

801
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: prototype um in this year's draft. Yeah, I I fell

802
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: in love with Trevor Penning at the senior. He just

803
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: just he's like throwing guys out of the bar. Yeah,

804
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean it is this year's version of Taylor Lauan, right,

805
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: you know. I mean he's just nasty and it brings

806
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, do you have to have that kind of

807
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: mentality on the offensive line. No, you don't have too.

808
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: You don't have to. I mean I think you wanted

809
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: somewhere on your offensive line. It doesn't necessarily have to

810
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: be there because I look at you know, like a

811
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Speaker 1: lot of lines like, there's not that guy on on Dallas.

812
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: When they were in there, hey day, Now, those guys

813
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: were certified killers or whatever you wanna call it. I

814
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: mean they just all kind of did their work and

815
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: just kind of went about their business. Even you know,

816
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: you're thinking about our Steelers like, yeah, we have some

817
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: aggressive guys when you're looking at the pouncy post me era,

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: if we'll call it, make it easy so circu. Two

819
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Speaker 1: thousand thirteen and beyond, you know, yeah, Pouncey was your

820
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: tenacious guy on the line, but everybody else was like, hey, listen,

821
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Speaker 1: that's I'm just gonna back up whatever he does. I

822
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: don't think you have to have that guy. And even

823
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: Pouncey got more reserved towards the end. So it's great

824
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: to have it if your team doesn't have an identity.

825
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: I think if like like if you are a Cincinnati,

826
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Speaker 1: like your Cincinnati needs to go get that guy, you know,

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Speaker 1: if they want to be competitive, you need to go

828
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Speaker 1: get that guy. Cleveland, you need to go get that guy.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore has had those guys on their teams and various

830
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: various segments throughout the entire time of the two thousand's.

831
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Speaker 1: But that's where it is. It's not a necessy. It's

832
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Speaker 1: nice if you need identity kick you know, like like

833
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: the kid from was it Wisconsin Whitewater? Uh? Yeah? Mine?

834
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: When you need that guy in Denver because Denver has

835
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: no identity, right, you know their offensive line Garrett Bowls

836
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: is not going to be your guy. So you want

837
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: to have that nasty tenation guy that sets an identity.

838
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: But when you've got skilled guys, veteran guys that know

839
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: what they're doing, you don't need that. Because I look

840
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: at l A right, the Rams again, they don't have

841
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: that guy. There's nobody on the offensive. Those guys are

842
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: like listen, okay, how many players we got? Okay? I

843
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: mean seconds, is Matt holding the ball two and a half. Okay, good,

844
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not pancaking anybody, but I'm also not

845
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: let anybody hit him. All right, good, move on. So

846
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Speaker 1: I think it it's great, but I think when you

847
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: do have that guy, mistakes can happen, you know, And

848
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: that's my thing because his footwork wasn't the cleanest that

849
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: I liked. He was overly aggressive, and you get against

850
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: some grown men, go try and try. Yeah, go try

851
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: and do that to Cam Hayward and see what happens.

852
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: Go try and get like a Keen Hicks from Chicago, right, Go,

853
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: try and go try to hip toss Fletcher Cox. You

854
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: know that's not gonna happen. You are gonna get chewed up.

855
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: So I like a reserve aggression and a lot of

856
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: those guys like I can give you that dog, but

857
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it technically. I'm gonna just beat you

858
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: up with my technique and no matter what you got

859
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: skill wise, it doesn't match. Frustrate Yeah, yeah, so me.

860
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: But I love seeing him do it at the at

861
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: the at the Senior Bowl. It was nice to see.

862
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: It was refreshing, But I'm like that's not reality. I'm

863
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: trying to think of the last guy, you know, offensive linements.

864
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Trent Williams probably the best, and he did and he

865
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: does it at moment. Yeah, he does it at moments

866
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: like when he hit Jordan Hicks. Ye oh Jesus, I

867
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: was like, m just just check yourself out, tap the

868
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: helmet and so you got a green dot. Somebody else

869
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: can put a green dot on there and put a microphone.

870
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: You're probably seeing some dots. You need, you need a break,

871
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: go go grab a snickers. But it's all gonna be

872
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: interesting here. Tomorrow we'll start to see some of the

873
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: measurements come in. That kind of stuff. Is the like

874
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: the hand sized things that something concerning about Picketty Kenny

875
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: Pickett's hands, Max. Yeah, I mean I think it's one

876
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: of those things that it's going to be somewhat of

877
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: a concern always, right, We're gonna go back to the

878
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Shaun King look at my hands, their baby hands. But

879
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: I think if you know how to throw the football

880
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: and you know how to manipulate it, that really shouldn't matter. Yeh. Yeah,

881
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: they're gonna talk about guys, but also ball security. How

882
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: you can are you carrying with two. Now, if you're

883
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: carrying one like a loaf of bread, hand size is

884
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: gonna matter. If you're a guy that's always two and

885
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: tight keeping your eyes, I don't think it makes a difference.

886
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: Quarterback who has the biggest hands in the NFL is

887
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Dak Prescott has fumbling issue, he us exactly,

888
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: but it's more it's more of a pocket presence issue.

889
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: So it's a pocket presence but also grip pressure. That's

890
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: the other thing. How strong are those hands, right? Because,

891
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: like I said, you can have the longest hands in

892
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: the world, but if you can't do this and keep

893
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: it right there, it doesn't matter how big your hands are,

894
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It's like it's like the

895
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: guy with all the muscles that that doesn't know how

896
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: to push people, you know. Yeah, And that's what we

897
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: always talk about offensive linement. Right, Why do I have

898
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: these long hands if I want to play in here? Right?

899
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: Wingspan means nothing. If you can't put your hands out

900
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: and get a guy off that arm link that dis

901
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: is you're creating, you you kill it when you're like

902
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: this the entire time, or letting guys get into your chest.

903
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: So I think for the hand size, it's something that

904
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me, and I think a lot of people

905
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: kind of go towards that because it's a default, right

906
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: if because at the combine, I'm trying to find every

907
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: reason not to like you versus finding every reason to

908
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: like you. So that's gonna be a hammering point. But

909
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: I think he goes out there and those drills that

910
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: starts putting the ball on guys and throwing in as

911
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Mike Tom like to say, front shirt pocket and dropping

912
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: dimes on it. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at

913
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: that point. So I think the hand size will come up.

914
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: But the performance on the field with the wide receivers

915
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: and running the different route trees with them and and

916
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: hitting them accurately, that's what's gonna matter. Yeah, I agree.

917
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: Um And for me, the other big one is gonna

918
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: be big is Matt Corral Yeah, because they list him

919
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: at six one two oh five list him? Is he

920
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: actually six one? Is he actually two oh five? That

921
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: was a big thing with Kyler Murray if you remember

922
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: when absolutely we cut we hammered it down, like Okay,

923
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: is he Polly pocket size or is he actual full

924
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: size adult action figure? With the coming from grip, like

925
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: I need to know this. And you know, when the

926
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: measurables came out, I was still skeptical. I'm not gonna lie.

927
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: I was out. I was like, wait a second, I

928
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: stood next to him. I could put him in my

929
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: pocket right now and walk off and nobody would notice

930
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: your front. Yeah, exactly exactly where where I'm like it

931
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: like like a like a corsage. But um, but I mean,

932
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: and then we see he can do so it's like

933
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: size doesn't It's like, man, not as much as I

934
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: thought it was going to be, but for Matt Corral, Yeah,

935
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: you need to make sure those measurables look close. If

936
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: you're six six ft and three quarters, well give you

937
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: six one. But if you're like five eleven and a

938
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: half and you were saying six one, that's when we're like, okay,

939
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: this is or even more importantly to me, is is

940
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: he pounds as opposed to two oh five? Yeah, because

941
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: you will get beaten up in the league. Oh yea

942
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: size up to Because I mean we see that with

943
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and and he's he's not exactly he knows

944
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 1: how to run away. But you take a couple of hits,

945
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: you get landed square, that's gonna be a problem. So

946
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: you have to see if he can be at two

947
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: oh five to to tin range, which hopefully he's drinking

948
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: a lot of water right now on gatorade, that that

949
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: he'll be able to pass that. But yeah, those size

950
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: metrics do matter, especially when you're thinking about a f

951
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: C north right or you're thinking about NFC north. You

952
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: know where it's colder climate and that blood coagulations a

953
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: little bit more when you get a bruise, can you

954
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: take that pounding? Yeah? Absolutely, But uh, I think that's

955
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: gonna do it for today's shows, guys, and we'll be

956
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: back tomorrow. We'll be uh ten am right and early

957
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: with Jerry Doolak and Matt Williamson. I think Max and

958
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: I are then on from noon to two and then

959
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: uh West, I think it's you, me and Matt. It's

960
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: the three of us from noon to two, and then

961
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: Matt you and it's the drive. I think essentially we'll

962
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 1: be either way. We'll be on from ten to four tomorrow.

963
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: Just turn it on and just let it go. Let

964
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Speaker 1: it go. We'll bring you all the news, the updates.

965
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: Everything is happening here at the NFL Scouting Combine here

966
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, but for Max Starks for West Euler. We

967
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Speaker 1: will also thank Matt Williamson for coming on. Of course,

968
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Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert and everybody else that happened. And don't forget

969
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: brand La Martina back in the studio keeping this thing

970
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: on the tracks. Uh. I couldn't do it without him. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna well, we we will talk to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dale Lali. Thanks for listening to all of our

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Speaker 1: coverage here on ESPN nine seventy ins Heelers Nation Radio

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