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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, et saotday. Now your hosts Nicky Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones, and we are
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage studios here at the Star in
Speaker 1: Frisco on a Tuesday, January fourteenth, twenty twenty. And no
Speaker 1: Mickey today, no song from Big Get Here, Rob. Where
Speaker 1: in the world is Mickey? He's probably an eye twenty
Speaker 1: somewhere right now, driving back from New Orleans. In the world.
Speaker 1: He's got the Christian Orleans last night. Well, he gets
Speaker 1: the big paycheck around too. You don't want to ask
Speaker 1: you that's I don't do that. In this case. I
Speaker 1: know exactly where he was. He spent a lot of
Speaker 1: money to go to that game last night, and his
Speaker 1: wife's a huge LSU fan, and they had something to
Speaker 1: party about last night. And now I think they're on
Speaker 1: their way home. All right, Very good man. I've been there.
Speaker 1: What buy your Classic every year? Oh? Yeah, the first
Speaker 1: year at to Buy your Classic? Me and my wife
Speaker 1: at the time, she was just my girlfriend. We went
Speaker 1: walking all through Bourbon Street and French Quarters and everything,
Speaker 1: just so naive. Could have got mugged at any time,
Speaker 1: you know. That was That was the dumbest thing we
Speaker 1: ever did. We had a great time. We got mugged
Speaker 1: at any time. We were out there to like four
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, having a good time. It's a
Speaker 1: great place. The party is probably still continuing right now.
Speaker 1: Gosh for LSU fans after winning the national championship last night,
Speaker 1: Um as anything happened since the last time we got
Speaker 1: together last twes Yeah, A couple of things, A couple
Speaker 1: of things. Some who are waiting on it would be
Speaker 1: nice if they could have done it while we was
Speaker 1: still on the air. Yes, that's right, that's right. We
Speaker 1: were waiting on that one thing and there was a
Speaker 1: former Cowboys coach who was waiting on one thing. Wow. Man,
Speaker 1: when we came to Yeah, that was extremely cool. How
Speaker 1: many people cried? Did you cry? I didn't cry. Troy
Speaker 1: Aikman did the tears for me. Yeah. Man, I think
Speaker 1: people wanted to cry and they were like, oh damn,
Speaker 1: look at the Troy just everybody so Jimmy headed to
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and one guy in here he's
Speaker 1: very familiar with Jimmy, having played for it. Jimmy was
Speaker 1: first up. What was that two years ago when I
Speaker 1: was up for it? Okay, and everybody kept trying to
Speaker 1: put us together. And I didn't want to get into
Speaker 1: any kind of controversiy on that because I want a
Speaker 1: good karma. Yeah, I didn't want to get into an
Speaker 1: I still don't know what that means. I had to
Speaker 1: look at up so but no, I she tweeted right away.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they get I don't know how
Speaker 1: Twitter works. I just tweeted out congratulations and I can
Speaker 1: find it right. Congratulation Jimmy Jay Hall of Famer. I
Speaker 1: mean that's all he can say. Man. But watching it,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, Jimmy, man, he's so cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought Jimmy would kind of play it off. You know,
Speaker 1: his head never gets messed up. He's the sharpest dresser
Speaker 1: in the room. And uh, it was that was very
Speaker 1: emotional for him, It really was, and it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was good to see that Jimmy. You know, usually
Speaker 1: you see the cocky little Jimmy, the one always talking trash,
Speaker 1: a big blow hard. But now that that Jimmy was
Speaker 1: a guy that you can tell, you know, guy's been
Speaker 1: through a lot. You know, we've all you know, coming
Speaker 1: starting back we first mete each other, all of us
Speaker 1: to where we are now. You know, you kind of
Speaker 1: look back on that and say, wow, man, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: blessed to be why I am right now. So it
Speaker 1: was I could feel that for him. I'm sure everybody
Speaker 1: else could too. At Walls underscored twenty four on Twitter said,
Speaker 1: congrat it's Jimmy Jammie Hall of Famer exclamation point. I
Speaker 1: definitely want to get that before him, but hey, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I was happy for him. That was
Speaker 1: good stuff. You got good TV. If you got a
Speaker 1: Jimmy memory that early stands out playing for Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I got just one. Yeah. Yeah. As far as good ones, uh,
Speaker 1: good one. You know, positive stories. Uh, I think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta think about that. Uh well, I feel like this.
Speaker 1: He was the first coach to ever want to name
Speaker 1: me captain out of all the coaches I bragged on, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I bragged about all these Hall of Fame coaches
Speaker 1: and future Hall of Fame coaches he's the first one
Speaker 1: that ever wanted me to be a captain. I mean
Speaker 1: because you played for some of the all time, I
Speaker 1: played for Eddie Robinson. Okay, I led the nation in
Speaker 1: interceptions with He's never had the player do that. I
Speaker 1: don't believe. He never named I was never a captain. Uh,
Speaker 1: Tom Landry, you know he wasn't gonna make me a captain. Parcels,
Speaker 1: you know, just got there was now the captain Cleveland.
Speaker 1: You know, I was always you know, the new guy,
Speaker 1: so to speak, and everyone was always established wherever I went.
Speaker 1: But when Jimmy came in, his whole idea was to
Speaker 1: try and get you know, he needs to get a
Speaker 1: veteran on his side, and I was on his side
Speaker 1: until we started things going to crap, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden He's like, I was his sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 1: So I think he picked me for captain just so
Speaker 1: I could be a sacrificial lamb. I do believe. But
Speaker 1: it was fun for a while. The preseason we went
Speaker 1: like three and one and I was I was I
Speaker 1: was his He was like for like a month, I
Speaker 1: was his guy, and then didn't want to qun But
Speaker 1: you got a ring pretty soon after that didn't Like,
Speaker 1: I said, what is it a brand? The broken? You
Speaker 1: are where you are? It's right, okay, And if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for all of that, I may not have ever
Speaker 1: gotten the ring. And that's funny you mentioned that three
Speaker 1: and one preseason. I was talking to somebody the other
Speaker 1: day about Jimmy and you know he of course he
Speaker 1: was with the Cowboys for five years, and then he
Speaker 1: was at Miami for four years, and this was twenty years.
Speaker 1: Let's see. Yeah, I didn't realize it either. I just
Speaker 1: remember when the Cowboys played the Dolphins. It was a
Speaker 1: big deal and I went to Miami that weekended stories
Speaker 1: on Jimmy and everything. Um, but it was there four years,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen ninety nine is when he retired from coaching,
Speaker 1: So it was twenty years ago basically. And um, you know,
Speaker 1: the last game that he coached was against Jacksonville in
Speaker 1: the playoffs and they got beat like sixty three. So
Speaker 1: I remember that, and Jimmy always said that that game,
Speaker 1: that game didn't count. Didn't know that that game didn't
Speaker 1: count because we knew going in that we weren't gonna
Speaker 1: win that game. So they didn't know what they would
Speaker 1: blow you out, and so I said, but that went
Speaker 1: over the Oilers the last preseason game in nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: That made you three and one in the preseason. You
Speaker 1: count that one, you count. That was fun. That was fun.
Speaker 1: That whole preseason was fun. That was a captain for
Speaker 1: that preseason. See, yeah, that's like that was the season
Speaker 1: went in the toilet after that because we went to
Speaker 1: the Saints and then all of a sudden we really
Speaker 1: what we were. They are thought we were the whole time,
Speaker 1: you know, But the way they sprung it on Jimmy
Speaker 1: I thought all along because Rick Goslin's kind of hinted
Speaker 1: at it, you know, the special Edition show which you
Speaker 1: were on last week, Everson. I've been there with with
Speaker 1: Rick all season long, and he was filming in on
Speaker 1: this sentence special centennial Hall of Fame class and it
Speaker 1: was his mission to make sure Jimmy got in this year.
Speaker 1: And in Sharene Williams of course from a sportswriter here
Speaker 1: in town. Also, I was on the committee. But so
Speaker 1: so I was expecting it to happen on the pregame show.
Speaker 1: Actually Sunday, that's what happened with me is because Bill Caller, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote it. He was pregame CBA yesterday before, so
Speaker 1: I wrote a few graphs, just getting ready for Sunday.
Speaker 1: And it didn't happen in pregame for Jimmy. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: well happened then, so And that's the thing is I
Speaker 1: think in order to surprise Jimmy, they had to make
Speaker 1: sure they did not do it on the pregame show,
Speaker 1: because that's what the where they did Coward the day before.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's probably sitting around David Baker had knocked in yet,
Speaker 1: you know, and then he gets done with the pregame
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen, and he's probably thinking, well, these
Speaker 1: guys I failed to get. That might have added to
Speaker 1: his emotion there at halftime, because obviously it did surprise
Speaker 1: him because if the timing go, yeah, I walk into
Speaker 1: the room and the TV's on at halftime and he's
Speaker 1: bawling basically ever since. Why, I mean, because you guys
Speaker 1: were aware of this. I was not aware of this,
Speaker 1: and most people weren't aware. I tried to disassociated myself
Speaker 1: at any time. Once I saw the thing came out.
Speaker 1: My focus was on Cliff Harris. I called him yesterday
Speaker 1: and that's coming out tomorrow morning. The rest of the class.
Speaker 1: He was hoping it would be today and Wednesday morning.
Speaker 1: That's when they're announcing it right on the NFL network
Speaker 1: Wednesday morning. You know, come on, man, I'm gonna get in.
Speaker 1: That's that, and Everson shouldn't too. But he's not realize
Speaker 1: I'm not the end. I totally shut down. I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear anything about it. And then you focus on, well,
Speaker 1: who else deserves it? When I didn't get in when
Speaker 1: I was actually in Minneapolis. That was the year that
Speaker 1: two guys got the end that Oh my good. I
Speaker 1: was happy for them, big big big man. The fourth
Speaker 1: linebacker from Houston, Robert Brazil finally got in, who was
Speaker 1: amazing his entire career, HBCU brother from Jackson State. Uh,
Speaker 1: a Steeler killer, Okay, I mean he was amazing, and
Speaker 1: just because he wasn't a stealer, he got kind of
Speaker 1: screwed on it. And Jerry Kramer made it that year, which,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what so long? I mean he could
Speaker 1: go now, he could go now finally, that's probably the
Speaker 1: way he's waiting on. And uh, those two made it
Speaker 1: when I was in. So now my focus is on
Speaker 1: you know, it's crazy on the whole Hall of Fame thing,
Speaker 1: like why was and I'm not saying this just because
Speaker 1: you're sitting here, but why was Everson not considered until
Speaker 1: it's so late in the game? You know why? Ask
Speaker 1: you boy? Richard? Ask Richard. I Richard can tell you
Speaker 1: all of that. We'll talk to Serene too. See. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get this moving. I mean, because there's so many
Speaker 1: guys that and so it's great that they have the
Speaker 1: expanded class and the reason they're doing it celebrating a
Speaker 1: hundred years of the NFL and so and what and
Speaker 1: so the numbers on it, they're in addition to the
Speaker 1: five players that normally get elected, which will be Super
Speaker 1: Bowl weekend, there's this fifteen person class, and there's two
Speaker 1: coaches and so we already know the coaches Kawer and Johnson,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember the breakdown on the numbers on
Speaker 1: the players and the contributors. It's a little confusing because
Speaker 1: there's this centennial slate, two coaches. We know the coaches.
Speaker 1: As you said, there are ten seniors selections this year, yes,
Speaker 1: and then three contributors. Three contributors. That makes fifteen of
Speaker 1: the Markerson is one of the finalists for the Contributors. Yeah,
Speaker 1: as you said, we'll know those wins day morning. I
Speaker 1: don't know what time on Good Morning Football they're gonna know,
Speaker 1: but I want to say between and man, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if it's Eastern time or Central time, between seven
Speaker 1: and ten am. Yeah, like I said, top of Cliff
Speaker 1: for a while, and two other people that we brought
Speaker 1: up that Uh, I mean, you know me, I'd love
Speaker 1: to been in there like the year after I retired.
Speaker 1: But god, you have so many guys that we're waiting on.
Speaker 1: Cornell Green, Yeah, yeah, I mean Harvey, Martin, Harvey, Martin,
Speaker 1: guys this and that that is now out of the
Speaker 1: you know, they'd be senior. And my thing is, why
Speaker 1: why all the other Hall of famers waiting so long for,
Speaker 1: you know, for my cowboys of course, Drew, Cliff, Harvey
Speaker 1: and Cornell. But then you know, I'm I'm an HBCU guy.
Speaker 1: I've seen some guys make some amazing plays, and as
Speaker 1: a fellow dB, I've always told my number out there,
Speaker 1: fifty seven. But if you're a cornerback and you're getting interceptions,
Speaker 1: I don't care if it was back then or now.
Speaker 1: Ken Riley, Cincinnati Bengals, floor the A and M University.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Nate Newton has probably been talking trash about
Speaker 1: this guy sixty five interceptions for the Cincinnati Bengo with
Speaker 1: his entire career, and if I'm not mistaken, he played
Speaker 1: cornerback the entire time. Wow. So as I stepped outside
Speaker 1: my star shoes, Okay, I'm talking about just injustices other
Speaker 1: out there from from other other teams, and I look
Speaker 1: at him as an HBCU brother. That's something that I'm
Speaker 1: talking trash about. Fifty seven and this guy got sixty five,
Speaker 1: sixty five interceptions and I think some of those years
Speaker 1: were fourteen game seasons ye two. Yes, So his NFL
Speaker 1: he was four time All Pro nineteen seventy three. He
Speaker 1: was the first year year was All Pro. Drafted in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, so they didn't go to a sixteen
Speaker 1: game season toil nineteen seventy seven. The bulk of his
Speaker 1: career was were spent playing fourteen game season with sixty
Speaker 1: five picks his career, which is just ridiculous that and
Speaker 1: you can't blame any media here you go, how about
Speaker 1: that hashtag? Ever since the who cares? Let's do it,
Speaker 1: yomen work. I'm getting that T shirt right there. Who
Speaker 1: characters about the rules? Stop it? Who cares about the rule?
Speaker 1: But now it Uh. You just wonder what the Hall
Speaker 1: of Famers are thinking, because now it's in pretty much
Speaker 1: their hands, if I'm not mistaken that point. I'm also
Speaker 1: confused about one who actually votes for the seniors, because
Speaker 1: you don't campaign anymore like I was trying to do
Speaker 1: for present day. Yeah, you're just out there. You can't
Speaker 1: do anything now. I mean you could do more if
Speaker 1: you die, if you know what I'm saying. As a senior,
Speaker 1: this year's a little different. There's a blue Ribbon panel,
Speaker 1: I think I call it that, and they voted last Wednesday.
Speaker 1: They all convened last Wednesday, and it was included Goslin
Speaker 1: and Serene Williams, but there were others that are normally
Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame committee that it may have
Speaker 1: been Hall of Famers themselves. I skimmed it, but I
Speaker 1: think gil Brandt was on that list maybe and maybe
Speaker 1: Belichick took I forgot. I'd have to go back and
Speaker 1: look at its present day. I know as present day.
Speaker 1: When I was present day, you still had Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers that vote for you, yep, because several came up
Speaker 1: to me and said they did. But that's I think
Speaker 1: it's uh uh, you know, together with the media when
Speaker 1: it comes to the seniors, you know, are they all
Speaker 1: who you know, who are the reporters out there that
Speaker 1: are senior voters as well? Along with the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: a president, hall of famers. That's the thing that see,
Speaker 1: when this process gets so secretive, you know, for years
Speaker 1: and years and years now all of a sudden, you know,
Speaker 1: in this whole age of information now where everyone's demanding like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, let's lift let's let's lift the veil.
Speaker 1: You know who, where's the Wizard of Ours back here?
Speaker 1: What's going one on? And how is it happening? It
Speaker 1: still can be a look yeah, I got it too,
Speaker 1: but you go ahead. Well, I mean just some names on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a combination of journalists and you know football people.
Speaker 1: Belichick is on that list, Gil Brandt, Jared Bell from
Speaker 1: USA Today, John Clayton, longtime journalist, Um Dick le Beau,
Speaker 1: John Madden, Gary Myers who used to cover the Cowboy,
Speaker 1: Jozzy Newsome, Bill Pollion, Bill Pollian, and you mentioned Sharine
Speaker 1: and Ron Wolf. Yeah, so that's that's that's for the
Speaker 1: Special Committee. But but year to year, I don't know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: who does? And I think they're trying to change everything
Speaker 1: from how it used to be too. I think the
Speaker 1: centennial thing is they're trying to push it to the
Speaker 1: normally from here on good. They're trying to get more
Speaker 1: guys in. Maybe not fifteen every right, but that could
Speaker 1: be a long In fact, I think what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: with the ceremony, there are some from this class who
Speaker 1: are going to be a part of the ceremony. They'll
Speaker 1: all be in attendance, but they get their speech. Or
Speaker 1: what I heard was that some of them will be
Speaker 1: involved in an August ceremony. And also there's a September ceremony.
Speaker 1: Say the ceremony every year can go four hours. That
Speaker 1: come on, man, it's a speech, it's not a plate, right,
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Speaker 1: bit of news this past week here at the Star
Speaker 1: in Fresco. As we talked about a little bit last Tuesday,
Speaker 1: because the word was out there's a new head coach
Speaker 1: on the premises and the introductory press conference took place
Speaker 1: last Wednesday. Mike McCarthy has been hitting the ground running
Speaker 1: and putting a coaching staff together. And Rob starting with
Speaker 1: you just your impressions of what you've seen so far
Speaker 1: the last week, starting with that press conference last week. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll start with Thursday, the day after the press conference,
Speaker 1: because he's getting settled in. We actually saw him coming
Speaker 1: down our hallway where we have our offices that Thursday
Speaker 1: morning after the press conference. He was looking for his
Speaker 1: office and he couldn't find it. He was getting some
Speaker 1: help trying to navigate the Star and get to his office,
Speaker 1: and it was pretty funny. But I think the term
Speaker 1: in this business is when you win the press conference.
Speaker 1: I think he won the press conference. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: he really made a strong impression on media and fans.
Speaker 1: He's an experienced guy. You can tell that that was
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, that was a that was a
Speaker 1: big doings so to speak, at that press conference, because
Speaker 1: you had tons of cameras, tons of media, You had
Speaker 1: cowboys staff up in the balcony watching, and you know,
Speaker 1: while you're the head coach of the Green Bay Packers,
Speaker 1: that's a big time job, no question. This is another
Speaker 1: level in terms of media exposure, I think, and just
Speaker 1: probably even national exposure. And he's ready for that. You know,
Speaker 1: he talked about that. And I think the biggest thing
Speaker 1: that I think the Jones is conveyed during the press
Speaker 1: conference was we're lucky to have a coach like this
Speaker 1: available because they still feel that this roster is in
Speaker 1: position to compete and here's a veteran guy who's been
Speaker 1: through it, who's been through it with with a big
Speaker 1: time franchise, and they think they can hit the ground
Speaker 1: running with him. So we'll see what happens. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's right now, he's trying to get the staff together.
Speaker 1: That's that's the first order of business. Has had a
Speaker 1: sort of self deprecating since a humor at the press conference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seemed like a guy that is he seemed like
Speaker 1: in that setting, guy that's easy to get along with.
Speaker 1: But he's got he's got a toughness about him too,
Speaker 1: being a Pittsburgh guy, and I think he wants his
Speaker 1: teams to have a certain toughness about him. I think
Speaker 1: what I saw in the press conference was you saw
Speaker 1: the toughness. You saw that old school toughness to where
Speaker 1: the experience that you spoke of Bobby will allow him
Speaker 1: to be able to tread the waters. Uh when in
Speaker 1: Lake Jones so to speaker, you know, because Jerry's it's
Speaker 1: a different beast here, no doubt about it. I'm sure
Speaker 1: even when he had his job with Green Bay, a's
Speaker 1: a great organization, historical organization. I'm pretty sure there were
Speaker 1: not nearly as many cameras there. I'm sure it wasn't
Speaker 1: nearly as intimidating, because, let's face it, I don't care
Speaker 1: where you've coached before. When you come to the Dallas Cowboys,
Speaker 1: it's entirely different. Whether you're a player or a coach,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Things are different here. Sometimes things are
Speaker 1: off the wall crazy. Sometimes things are just run. They
Speaker 1: happened so quickly that it can make your head spin.
Speaker 1: And that's the beast of the Dallas Cowboys. I don't
Speaker 1: care what he's been doing in Green Bay. I don't
Speaker 1: care what kind of issues they had with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: at the end of his career, and it got kind
Speaker 1: of dicey there for a minute. He had to answer
Speaker 1: some very uncomfortable questions about well, who's running this team.
Speaker 1: But those kind of thing, Yeah, you see, so those
Speaker 1: kind of things that unnerved him. I remember those press
Speaker 1: con and I'm nerved him. That's nothing compared to what
Speaker 1: he's gonna see here. And I do hope he's ready
Speaker 1: for that. I think he is ready for it because
Speaker 1: of his experience. He can just channel all of that out,
Speaker 1: tune it all out, and then be able to do
Speaker 1: his job, which is you can just tell if I
Speaker 1: if I was in his head, I know all day
Speaker 1: he probably just wanted to say, doing the press conflience, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm just a football guy. I'm just a coach. You
Speaker 1: could just see that in him, and that's really what
Speaker 1: they need here, somebody who can just tune out all
Speaker 1: that bs and get down to coaching, no matter what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, no matter how you know what a
Speaker 1: failure this part of the game might be. During the
Speaker 1: season of what this union might be. He's the kind
Speaker 1: of coach I think can handle that. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean very stoic, like like Jason, but just to where
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to smart you, I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: be cute. I'm just here trying to do my job
Speaker 1: and sometimes that's what you need. What do you think? Oh?
Speaker 1: I um, you know, it's interesting. You know, the one
Speaker 1: of the biggest takeaways was about putting a staff together.
Speaker 1: And when you look at this coaching staff and now
Speaker 1: it looks like, well Kellen Moore is staying. I mean
Speaker 1: that's not out officially, but it looks that way unless
Speaker 1: we've heard anything different. Now they really haven't announced anything
Speaker 1: right yet, but that those reports are out there that
Speaker 1: he's supposed to come back. And I think the Rams
Speaker 1: announced that John Fossil will be coming aboard, but the
Speaker 1: Cowboys haven't yet. But yeah, when what we've seen out
Speaker 1: there is a veteran will be coming here. That's the reports. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and again I don't know what point the cow the
Speaker 1: RAMS press release did say that he's accepted a job
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, right I did, Okay, I think it
Speaker 1: was on Twitter or something I saw it ever lies, right,
Speaker 1: It's just interesting that they would just come out and
Speaker 1: say that where he's going. Um, and then Doug nust Meyer.
Speaker 1: The reports are Doug nust Meyer will stay on this
Speaker 1: staff as a quarterbacks coach, moved from tight ends coach
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks coach. So if those are the only holdovers, okay,
Speaker 1: this will be right up there with the largest shakeups
Speaker 1: of a coaching staff we've ever seen in this organization.
Speaker 1: Even I went back and looked when Jimmy took over
Speaker 1: from Landry in nineteen eighty nine, there were three holdovers
Speaker 1: on that staff. One of them was Dick Nolan, Alan
Speaker 1: Lowry special team's coach, and Neil Armstrong. But but Neil Armstrong,
Speaker 1: he was his position was research and development. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's officially a spot on the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: He's listed, he's listed in the Media Guide as of course,
Speaker 1: he was a coach in his career obviously, but at
Speaker 1: that point it was later in his career and that
Speaker 1: may have men more in personnel, but research and development.
Speaker 1: So there, technically there's three movers. OSU Okahoma State. That's right, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right. What a great guy us Yeah, I enjoyed him. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyway, if there's just two holdovers, I'm pretty certain
Speaker 1: that that's the biggest changeover in a coaching step that
Speaker 1: we've ever had here, even greater than when Jimmy took over. Really,
Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that, because Quinn Parcels came here,
Speaker 1: there were several that stayed, including Mike Zimmer, Jim Jeffco
Speaker 1: because I remember Bill was having trouble getting some of
Speaker 1: his guys over here and he wound up sticking. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of holdovers, including Mike Zimmer, and that
Speaker 1: turned out to be a great partnership. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you're right, even Jimmy's coming aboard because everything
Speaker 1: changed when Jim right Man, Zach Jerry was coming in
Speaker 1: at the same time. Now, Dick Nolan and Allen Lowry
Speaker 1: weren't here much longer, yeh. But but he did keep
Speaker 1: those guys around, So I would have to say that
Speaker 1: I think the problem they're gonna have is is defensively,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm with you. That's a person about this thing. Man.
Speaker 1: I know he's happy to have this these these weapons. Offensively,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's the first thing he saw like, Wow,
Speaker 1: look at that, and it's kind of reminds you. It
Speaker 1: reminds you of his years in Green Bay. You always
Speaker 1: had offensive things going on. Except for maybe Julius Peppers
Speaker 1: and a couple other guys, they really wanted the formulable
Speaker 1: defense at all. So he's used to dealing with a
Speaker 1: defense that hadn't had much success. I hope he doesn't
Speaker 1: have to continue to deal with that. Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 1: You look at this roster. They could go play right
Speaker 1: now with what they got on offense. And the guy's
Speaker 1: coming back or expected to come back. Dack's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm Alty's probably not going anywhere. Um defensively, though we talked,
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere. Yeah, I wonder about that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think so at this point. Right he's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a free agent, but he is. It's only
Speaker 1: coach he's ever had if I was, If I was
Speaker 1: a coach, that's the first sign I would make right there.
Speaker 1: You're guy cop. You're a big copy. I am a
Speaker 1: cop guy. There's no doubt about it. He has been
Speaker 1: doing it way before anybody that we've seen around here. Uh,
Speaker 1: the numbers didn't pay out last year. You could kind
Speaker 1: of see he was getting a bit frustrated with not
Speaker 1: being targeted a bit. But he didn't go in the tank.
Speaker 1: You know, he just more and he's a professional. That's
Speaker 1: that's why you need him here. We need more professionals
Speaker 1: around here. That's why you need a cob here. Nuss
Speaker 1: Meyer moves to quarterbacks coach Rob. There's an opening for
Speaker 1: a tight Ends coach here? Oh, what are you applying? Bill?
Speaker 1: Would you like to apply for that job? I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm qualified anybody. You got the studs of the
Speaker 1: of the Can you think of anybody who might want
Speaker 1: to apply for that job? I cannot think of anybody
Speaker 1: who do you think? I don't know. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if anyone who qualifies to be a tight Ends coach?
Speaker 1: R No, no, no, let's take a little bigger picture,
Speaker 1: all right, Yeah? Yeah, well no no, because then he'll
Speaker 1: start wanted to play again. You got to make up
Speaker 1: your pick a lane. Okay, you stay in to stay out,
Speaker 1: let me go. But you were talking defense, and I
Speaker 1: just counted it up, and we've talked about this previous show.
Speaker 1: I think eighteen guys can be free agent Defensively, they
Speaker 1: have a lot of questions to answer. And they also
Speaker 1: and these are prominent prominent names, prominent names, Robert Quinn, MALIEK. Collins,
Speaker 1: every level of defense, they've got questions there. And they
Speaker 1: also just they need to play better. They need to
Speaker 1: figure out And I don't know exactly what the scheme's
Speaker 1: going to be. It's gonna depend on the personnel. But
Speaker 1: they got to answer a lot of roster questions. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the scheme a little bit, because okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Mike Nolan has been a three to four
Speaker 1: guy in his career, but he's also been in four
Speaker 1: three systems before. With what the Cowboys have coming back, okay,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking specifically of DeMarcus Lawrence. Is it better
Speaker 1: than four three or three four? I mean, I can't
Speaker 1: see DeMarcus Lawrence in a three four as a as
Speaker 1: a standout. You've made an investment like that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the best spot for him. I mean,
Speaker 1: a stand up outside rush linebacker. Why why don't you
Speaker 1: think it would work for him? Well, because he's not.
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't see it because I've never
Speaker 1: seen him do that before. Cover and right, because you right,
Speaker 1: that's part of the job. How much now, DeMarcus where
Speaker 1: how much was covering that in those well and the
Speaker 1: other part of it is there. You know, you're in
Speaker 1: the nickel seventy percent of the time, and so you're
Speaker 1: in a four man front and in the past they've
Speaker 1: rotated guys. Now Lawrence would get the bulk of the snaps.
Speaker 1: But but in your base, you know you want him
Speaker 1: on the field. So what do you think me to me,
Speaker 1: this is an opportunity for d Lawrence in its entire defense,
Speaker 1: to make a change hit that reset Buddon. And if
Speaker 1: I have a coach coming in and he tells me
Speaker 1: this is how we're gonna do it, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: tweak your responsibilities and your tea techno just a little bit,
Speaker 1: then I would hope that that coach is sense enough
Speaker 1: to say, I'm gonna make sure that we're going to
Speaker 1: enhance your game. And this is a guy that he
Speaker 1: is the guy that can enhance his game can be better.
Speaker 1: It's no doubt about it. He can be a much
Speaker 1: more dominating player than walking around. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Don't be don't be closed minded to that. Belichick came
Speaker 1: up to me and said, I want you to play
Speaker 1: safety on third downs, on passing downs. Coach, you know,
Speaker 1: this body ain't made for tactless, it's not made for safety.
Speaker 1: But I did with the ass I led the team
Speaker 1: the interceptions. We have the number one third down defense.
Speaker 1: Okay for the number one defense, period, but the number
Speaker 1: one third down defense. It did not harm our system
Speaker 1: in any way. When I say oh, I mean the
Speaker 1: Giant system the way it was when I got there.
Speaker 1: That was the way it stayed. And he only tweaked
Speaker 1: what I did. And it made me a more a
Speaker 1: better all around player. So that can happen with d Law. Seriously,
Speaker 1: that can happen with d Law. You know. It's it's
Speaker 1: so much about matchups, and you know, and we've seen
Speaker 1: the way defenses have evolved in the National Football League,
Speaker 1: where the old traditional three four base defense or a
Speaker 1: four to three, they're moving guys around in that front stuff,
Speaker 1: don't be able to try to get a misman And
Speaker 1: you think Lawrence Rush can beat a guy, a guard
Speaker 1: on the inside put him in a position to do it.
Speaker 1: And it's so hard to read now now the offensive
Speaker 1: lineman they don't know if stunts are coming now, they've
Speaker 1: got to be a little bit more honest, and d
Speaker 1: Law is not gonna be right there for you to
Speaker 1: pick him out every time. To me, I think that
Speaker 1: flexibility up and down the line could be very good
Speaker 1: about gild Smith. That's what I was thinking, man. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can see him as a rusher. That's what he
Speaker 1: does best is rush, going forward and hit. He has
Speaker 1: a knack for it from the linebacker position. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have any insight on this yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going to do exactly, but
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have to be one or the other.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can run some three man line and still
Speaker 1: have some fourth three concepts. I mean, the Patriots are
Speaker 1: a hybrid. I was just thinking about the Patriots in
Speaker 1: like a Dante high Tower, and I thought when High
Speaker 1: Tower came out, In fact, I wanted the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: draft High Tower back in twenty ten or whatever whatever
Speaker 1: twenty eleven I think it was, and they already had
Speaker 1: John Lee. And one of the things with high Tower
Speaker 1: is he could play inside linebacker in a three four,
Speaker 1: or he could go to the edge. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a versatile guy, and that's the way he's his career
Speaker 1: is kind of played out there, But a Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: could be like that in a three four DC. Well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing you have. I looked up Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: and just a kind of system that he had, the
Speaker 1: kind of players that he likes. The linebackers we have
Speaker 1: they don't fit the system that he has. His linebackers,
Speaker 1: they're going forward, they're extremely aggressive. He loves the blitz
Speaker 1: and they get a lot of turnovers from those blitzes.
Speaker 1: They get a lot of strip sacks. I mean, they like,
Speaker 1: they like to be they like to put the pressure down.
Speaker 1: Now he's had to do that at times because he
Speaker 1: didn't have the talent that he wanted on certain defenses.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the Saints, you look at
Speaker 1: those linebackers there, and that's what he was coaching while
Speaker 1: he was there. Those linebackers are different from ours about
Speaker 1: de Mario Davis. They are they have no necks, they
Speaker 1: have no waste line all right. These guys are straight
Speaker 1: up tree trunks and they but they can move around
Speaker 1: and they can make plays and he loves to send
Speaker 1: them out to the quarterback. So I look for a
Speaker 1: more aggressive defense for us to have but that's gonna
Speaker 1: also leave us open for more big plays. And you
Speaker 1: got to answer questions in your secondary You got to
Speaker 1: get those dbs that are ready for not necessarily lockdown,
Speaker 1: but just be able to challenge your wide receivers the
Speaker 1: way we would challenge. We were challenged by some dbs.
Speaker 1: They wan't that good, but because of the system they
Speaker 1: were successful against us. Let's see if we can do
Speaker 1: the same. So is it more exciting that they have
Speaker 1: so many free agents and there can be a makeover
Speaker 1: and from a from McCarthy coming in here or the
Speaker 1: whole coaching staff. Do they they look at it as
Speaker 1: it's more exciting um possibilities here because you can and
Speaker 1: that we're going to see, you know how involved as
Speaker 1: McCarthy in the building of this team, you know, acquiring
Speaker 1: person I look to see who they keep. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: gonna tell you a lot. Who are they going to
Speaker 1: keep around. We're gonna we're gonna have our steady guys
Speaker 1: that are going to be there for us. But man,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a shake up. Defensively, yea,
Speaker 1: that may not settle in. We might be like the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. They only got better than like the
Speaker 1: last seven games of the season's right, this might be us,
Speaker 1: that might be the way we are. Parcels was a
Speaker 1: three four guys whole career, and when he took over here,
Speaker 1: it was three years in until he switched to three four.
Speaker 1: So it's not something you do overnight. But like you said, bo,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're in nickel a lot now, especially the
Speaker 1: way offenses are run now. But Alec Everson said, to
Speaker 1: see who they keep and see who they draft. You
Speaker 1: know that oh five draft here or it was five
Speaker 1: or seven defensive guys, and they really braced themselves for
Speaker 1: that chain. How about that draft that was where and
Speaker 1: Spears in the first round. I mean, you're switching to
Speaker 1: a three to four and you get Ratliff in the
Speaker 1: seventh round, Kevin Burnett even in the second round. It's hot.
Speaker 1: You know, three or four draft in history of the team.
Speaker 1: I think Barber was in the fourth round. It was
Speaker 1: something yeah, yeah, And that was when Parcels got involved
Speaker 1: in the draft process, right, Yeah, I had his fingerprints
Speaker 1: all over it. That's when he was. That's when he
Speaker 1: was GM ready. I mean, that was it. That's why
Speaker 1: he knows he's the best GM that he can deal with.
Speaker 1: So to my point is okay, and I think Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett was heavily involved in the acquisition of players. And
Speaker 1: you know, Rick Goslin talking about one of the great
Speaker 1: things about Jimmy as he as he put it, Goslin
Speaker 1: talked about his you know, wearing that yeah high for talent.
Speaker 1: He had a talent. That is something that Jason gets
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism on his way out as head coach.
Speaker 1: But in building this roster, which we all think is
Speaker 1: pretty good, he has had a voice in it. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got enough credit or people
Speaker 1: realize that. You know, the Joneses gave him that voice
Speaker 1: all right, the play and didn't think about the Wade
Speaker 1: Phillips era. Okay, Now that two thousand and nine draft
Speaker 1: was about the worst. He was the worst, and now
Speaker 1: they didn't have a first round pick, and then they
Speaker 1: traded down in the second round. And remember that guy
Speaker 1: that walked in the building. It was their first pick
Speaker 1: in that draft, Jason Williams lineback or Robert Brewster, which
Speaker 1: one maybe Williams was the first. Yeah, Robert Brewster walked
Speaker 1: in that door, and I said, oh my god, wait
Speaker 1: without a shirt on. I was like, wow, that's a
Speaker 1: third round pick. His weight was a challenge. It was
Speaker 1: a challenge for him. He wasn't around. But I never
Speaker 1: liked the media. You guys know I'm dirty, But listen
Speaker 1: to him right now. Sorry, How involved was weighed in
Speaker 1: the process and the acquisition to play? I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It seemed to have the attitude whatever you want to do,
Speaker 1: I'll coach him up. He's had a bit overwhelmed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not overwhelmed, but lack of daisical is a better
Speaker 1: word to where, like you said, just just bringing me
Speaker 1: a guys out. Whatever you want to spile with me,
Speaker 1: I'll coach him up and we'll be fine. I think defensively,
Speaker 1: he weighed in on guys he thought could fit his
Speaker 1: style of defense. Offensively, he may yeah, it may have
Speaker 1: been more of a and Garrett the offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: I know that they they valued Garrett's opinion on on
Speaker 1: offensive players. All right, take a break and we wrap
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Speaker 1: Championship Game. He doesn't care about LSU, but he does
Speaker 1: care about LSU because his wife cares about it very much.
Speaker 1: He's on that man wagon. Ye. So all right, um,
Speaker 1: what do you think of what do you think of this?
Speaker 1: We'll go talk. I want to talk about the lack
Speaker 1: of evolution of the defensive backs, not just in college
Speaker 1: but also in the NFL. Well, I could say that
Speaker 1: the other round, because I just I saw some things
Speaker 1: last night and I've seen them throughout the year, and
Speaker 1: I sound like the town cried here. Defensive backs are devolving.
Speaker 1: If they're not devolving, we're not evolving along with the
Speaker 1: rest of the positions. Because as the rule changes come about,
Speaker 1: then there's a there's a there's an adjustment period for everyone.
Speaker 1: Now dbs are learning. I can't I can't just go
Speaker 1: head first. I can't use my crown. Everybody's learning, you
Speaker 1: know how to do it, and there's there's always that
Speaker 1: that learning curve. I get that. But there are certain
Speaker 1: things that whether you hit the guy or not with
Speaker 1: the crown, there are certain things whether you hit the
Speaker 1: guy past five yards in a line of scrimmage as
Speaker 1: and you're you're you're in a press position, there's still
Speaker 1: certain base that don't go away. Sideline is still your friend,
Speaker 1: the waistline doesn't move. Okay, these are things that These
Speaker 1: are basic things that defensive backs have been taught since
Speaker 1: before I was born. And it seems as if because
Speaker 1: of the rule change, we want to lay on that
Speaker 1: and depend on that. As for the reason for so
Speaker 1: much success by these outstanding wide receivers that I spoke
Speaker 1: of last time that are coming out and are in
Speaker 1: the league right now, the white receivers are evolving. They're
Speaker 1: taking advantage of the new system that take advantage of
Speaker 1: the rule. The defensive backs we gotta move quicker. We
Speaker 1: have to evolve quicker, because all of a sudden, you say,
Speaker 1: all right, Drew Brees has Michael Thomas over there, he's
Speaker 1: got the one on one. Oh, that's pitch and catch.
Speaker 1: They never used to say that, Bill, They never used
Speaker 1: to say that, you can't make that automatic, okay, And
Speaker 1: for the commentator to just think that's automatic, that is
Speaker 1: the norm now in the NFL. And to me, I
Speaker 1: guess I'm taking it personally because I'm a defensive back.
Speaker 1: That was never the norm. You never had anybody say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: Dion's over there on his wife. Michael Thomas kitching cats
Speaker 1: by Drew Brees, and Michael thought, no, you did not
Speaker 1: say that. You never would would even think to urge
Speaker 1: that against mel Blunt, against all these great great defensive
Speaker 1: backs that I've seen and tried to emulate. So to me,
Speaker 1: I think they need some coaches in there to stop
Speaker 1: teaching players not to turn around for the ball. Wait
Speaker 1: till his hand goes up, then you That is a
Speaker 1: bunch of bs and is so outdated. Whoever came up
Speaker 1: with that. They have ruined dbs because no one now
Speaker 1: turns around to try to make a play on the ball.
Speaker 1: They talked about it last night. Lawrence Right Sunshine said,
Speaker 1: if if the dB doesn't turn around, I'm throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: I heard him say that. To me, why would a
Speaker 1: dB not turn around? It is like, you know, let's
Speaker 1: like saying if the dB had no ankles, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go after his Okay, you have ankles, you have like
Speaker 1: you turn around? You know? To me that that that concept,
Speaker 1: that technique that's been taught. It has ruined kids from
Speaker 1: high school and now they're doing it in the pros
Speaker 1: And to me, it is ruining a lot of guys careers.
Speaker 1: And I've done camps now with kids before I tell
Speaker 1: them this, I don't get what's going on with you guys.
Speaker 1: What you've been taught in this camp forget. We're gonna
Speaker 1: turned on. And it's not just me. It's all about
Speaker 1: the narrative. If you tell a kid he can get interceptions,
Speaker 1: you show him he can get an interceptions, he's gonna
Speaker 1: get them. The kids are coaching camp and that's not
Speaker 1: just me, it's the whole camp. Because we teach differently,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go You're gonna get turnovers. We got so
Speaker 1: many turnovers one camp. It was ridiculous. And it was
Speaker 1: all because the light turned on in their brain. It
Speaker 1: wasn't about they became different people. They only thought differently,
Speaker 1: and that's what we need. Are you saying dbs are
Speaker 1: more reactionary now as opposed to aggressive and trying to
Speaker 1: make those play. Yeah, they're not turning around. It's a reaction.
Speaker 1: So good, that's so good because you you you voiced
Speaker 1: it better than me. You're worried it better than I did.
Speaker 1: They're reacting to a receiver when when his hand go up,
Speaker 1: only do you react? I just think that is you're
Speaker 1: you're you're you're doing a disservice to the intellect of
Speaker 1: some of the defensive backs that have come around this league.
Speaker 1: And one thing, you know, you got Gil brand out there.
Speaker 1: I know he's missed the Hall of Fame, but back
Speaker 1: in the day, Gil Brandon, all those uh Gill imagines.
Speaker 1: You think I can find a wide receiver or a
Speaker 1: defensive back on any street corner. That's what they used
Speaker 1: to say about defensive backs and wide receivers, and that
Speaker 1: is not true. The best defenses are because they have
Speaker 1: the smartest defensive backs. So let's just be real old
Speaker 1: out there, and you gotta be intelligent at every position.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't just stopped at quarter Boom in Seattle.
Speaker 1: The reason they were so good was they had smart
Speaker 1: dvs chan those So don't be a drone. Okay, be
Speaker 1: your own player. Think the game. That's how I was
Speaker 1: taught to play. Don't react like you're talking about. You
Speaker 1: gotta go out there and be the dominant players you are.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's not out there waiting on somebody to turn around.
Speaker 1: He's kicking his wide receivers. But every running his route
Speaker 1: like Richard Sherman did against in the Minnesota game, was
Speaker 1: that defense the whole time? I'm thinking Richard Sherman, just
Speaker 1: the way he plays, the way he made that interception.
Speaker 1: He controlled him immediately from the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 1: not just beat him up. He knew the route he
Speaker 1: was running, So you have to recognize the routes of
Speaker 1: the being run. Don't just go out there and just
Speaker 1: drone it, okay, independent, be an independent thinker. Fifth round
Speaker 1: draft pick us a wide receiver in college crazy and
Speaker 1: it's so good right now he is. He is making
Speaker 1: his mark as one of the better defensive backs to
Speaker 1: come through the playoffs, especially, and he's turning teams around
Speaker 1: that were not known for playing good defense. And he
Speaker 1: went on an epic rant after the Minnesota game last
Speaker 1: weekend all you're just saying that I don't know why
Speaker 1: you beat you guys just constantly make excuses for why
Speaker 1: I'm so good. Was great? All right before we wrap up, um,
Speaker 1: because we're about out to take you further in that
Speaker 1: earlier in the show next week. Um, Packers, Niners? Who
Speaker 1: do you like this guy? Go? Niners? Man? I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. Rogers is good, of course, but that
Speaker 1: pack that that uh ninus defense, I can't see. I
Speaker 1: can't see a letdown. Okay, who they remind me of?
Speaker 1: They remind me with Bosa on coming off the edge
Speaker 1: and they're showing up on that defensive line. I just
Speaker 1: don't see any gaps for him at all, not any
Speaker 1: consistent gaps. I can't think of who they remind me of.
Speaker 1: But they are so dynamic. But I remember seeing that
Speaker 1: linebacker Dre Greenlaw. He was a rookie. I remember seeing
Speaker 1: him in the preseason, thinking, man, that guy, I mean,
Speaker 1: you could you could tell he belongs even as a rookie,
Speaker 1: you know. And then they lose Kwan Alexander for the
Speaker 1: bulk of the season and he steps in and he's
Speaker 1: making exact next man, you need to find a Dre
Speaker 1: Greenlaw in the draft, you know, yeah, seven of them? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so who you got? Yeah, go ahead. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say Green Bay just because I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers Patrick Mahomes super Bowl. And you don't
Speaker 1: think Guaffalo can can stand up? Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1: Be the match up there? He doesn't get enough credit
Speaker 1: for being a really good quarterback because everybody rightfully so
Speaker 1: as you said, they talk about the defense and they
Speaker 1: are nasty. But I usually in these games, I take
Speaker 1: the better quarterback, and Rodgers, to me, might might be
Speaker 1: the goat. So he's going back and this is and
Speaker 1: they've got something cooking like he was. He was in
Speaker 1: the zone last week. And if they can keep that up,
Speaker 1: he's got It's like he's been waiting on the playoffs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna child. I'm gonna let Jones take care
Speaker 1: of things then and people talking that, you know, his
Speaker 1: stats are down whatever, but he was dominant, all right,
Speaker 1: Titans chiefs oh Man, I cannot. I love the Titans,
Speaker 1: and I knew they were gonna win. I knew they
Speaker 1: were gonna win. I did did no. I love I
Speaker 1: love of rape he's he's got a great go out
Speaker 1: there in the running game itself. It's its defensive playoff
Speaker 1: football that he has going on, but is dialed in.
Speaker 1: It is amazing. Yeah, it's hard to go get spot.
Speaker 1: And they called Mark Collins after the game. He's with
Speaker 1: Kansas City, but I played with him in New York.
Speaker 1: Is my fellow cornerback. He said he's never seen anything
Speaker 1: like it. He'd be dead, and he's I've been playing
Speaker 1: around football all my life. I've never seen anything like
Speaker 1: what I saw today. When they announced it, they ran
Speaker 1: out of fireworks because they scored too many. So you
Speaker 1: need to know right there, I go Chiefs. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So you got Chiefs. I've got Chiefs Packers, Chiefs Packers,
Speaker 1: all right. But ever since right that forty nine Ers
Speaker 1: team is I might be the most complete. Can't mess
Speaker 1: that up. He can't mess that up. Canny can't he
Speaker 1: mess that up? Oh? He can? He? I mean has
Speaker 1: he has. He shouldn't have been in the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen at Seattle, and he found a way
Speaker 1: to get that done. If they had just recovered that
Speaker 1: on site. And the way Shanahan called plays too, I
Speaker 1: mean he will take it out of his hands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that running game is is just like what he
Speaker 1: did in that game at New Orleans, you know where
Speaker 1: they got home field, you know. So all right, does
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