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Speaker 1: It's offseason for the Bills, but not for the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's age, may be rivaling of those accomplishments. If

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll never catch him. Plus Brady will always look

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Speaker 1: here is after you learned just how many teams we're

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Speaker 1: making phone calls to the Lions about Matthew Stafford's services,

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Speaker 1: which was upwards of seven teams in addition to the Rams,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about what you feel that means for

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Speaker 1: quarterback movement here in the offseason going forward. Does that

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Speaker 1: only cement the fact that it's going to happen, or

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Speaker 1: does it make you think that anybody and everybody is

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Speaker 1: willing to look for grass that's greener, because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of unhappy football teams out there, it seems, with

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Speaker 1: their current quarterback situation. So we will take a break now,

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Speaker 1: but discuss that on the other side here on One

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Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalida Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 1: Back on One Bills Live Chris Brown, Steve Tasker, and

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Speaker 1: we're knocking around the blockbuster trade in the league over

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Speaker 1: the weekend between the Rams and the Lions, which saw

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Speaker 1: the Lions acquire Jared Goff a pair of first round

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Speaker 1: picks and a third round pick this year in exchange

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Speaker 1: for Matthew Stafford, who now goes to the Rams. And

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Speaker 1: Steve I wanted to discuss this here in this segment

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Speaker 1: so we you know, there's various reports out there about

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Speaker 1: how all this came together. Albert Brier from SI dot

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Speaker 1: Com did a nice job with it and kind of

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Speaker 1: painting the inner workings of the negotiations. Who called, who

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Speaker 1: was interested, what was offered, etc. Etc. And it became

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Speaker 1: readily apparent that in addition to the La Rams there

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Speaker 1: were seven other teams that were that made inquiring calls

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Speaker 1: at the very least, or you know, engaged in exploratory

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Speaker 1: interest in conversations with the Lions. They were Washington, Carolina, Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers, Denver, the Jets, and the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: Now it became very quick quickly understood that the Patriots

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Speaker 1: were not a team that Stafford was interested in going to,

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Speaker 1: so they were quickly crossed off the list. The Jets inquired,

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Speaker 1: but we're not willing to come with the capital necessary

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Speaker 1: to really move talks forward. Same for Denver and same

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Speaker 1: for the forty nine Ers. But the Colts, the Panthers,

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Speaker 1: and Washington we're genuinely interested. Which leads me to believe, Steve,

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Speaker 1: that all this talk we're hearing about anticipated quarterback movement

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Speaker 1: and it being unprecedented here in the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 1: offseason is in fact going to come to fruition. Maybe

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Speaker 1: not in a flurry of deals, but man, there's gonna

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Speaker 1: be some movement here, and I think it could happen

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Speaker 1: to upwards to ten to twelve clubs, you know, changing

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Speaker 1: their quarter We know Jacksonville is going to have a

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Speaker 1: new quarterback with their first pick. They're gonna get Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: you know, but the Jets could have a new quarterback,

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Speaker 1: could move theirs to another team, which would put another

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Speaker 1: one on a new team. We know the Colts need somebody.

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Speaker 1: I think forty nine ers aren't enamored with Jimmy Garoppolo.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a whole bunch of teams out and

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Speaker 1: it looks like Bridgewater's expendable in Carolina if you want

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Speaker 1: to think about it, there might be clubs trading quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: Like could you see Jimmy Garoppolo and Sam Darnold's switching

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Speaker 1: places the Jets and the Niners. I could see them

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Speaker 1: not being on their current rosters for sure where they

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Speaker 1: end up as anybody's yes, um. And also, you know

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Speaker 1: Andrew Brandt, who is in my mind, a real He's

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Speaker 1: a solid source for the way this stuff works out

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Speaker 1: at the highest levels. And he says that the reason

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Speaker 1: the Lions got so many draft picks and such a

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Speaker 1: you know, bonus for uh Stafford because of the Rams

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Speaker 1: is because there are teams out there. Don't believe that

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be out there anybody to trade forum. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so because Deshaun Watson, the word has the Texans vehemently said,

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Speaker 1: and it seems as though they made an assurance to

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Speaker 1: their head coach that Deshaun Watson was going to be

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Speaker 1: the quarterback of that team. Now, if the head coach,

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Speaker 1: you know, can't get that guy in the door, what

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Speaker 1: are they gonna do? Yeah? Right, um, yeah, you want

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Speaker 1: this is well, this is a staring contest, now, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I mean between Watson and here's how hard he wants

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Speaker 1: to push. Is he gonna come in and not play well?

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna come in and lay downs? He's gonna

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Speaker 1: come in and get a mysterious back injury so that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get his place. He's not going to report

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Speaker 1: at all. Well, if he doesn't report at all, then

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Speaker 1: it's easy. You know that the that plays to me.

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Speaker 1: If he doesn't report at all, that plays into the

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Speaker 1: hands of the Texans, because then don't Yeah, absolutely, from

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Speaker 1: what everybody knows him, that's fine. They know you're gonna

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Speaker 1: move him now anyway. They gotta believe you're gonna move

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Speaker 1: him now anyway. But here's the problem with the Texans.

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Speaker 1: They've gotta built in and he said, listen, he you

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Speaker 1: know this guy didn't want to play for us. We're

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Speaker 1: not gonna trade him. So now we we're gonna stink

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Speaker 1: this year. We're over the cap, we got no draft picks,

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Speaker 1: and our quarterback won't play for us. They just throw

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Speaker 1: that onto a heap of rubbish that their entire organization

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Speaker 1: is right now, and they get out of it next year,

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Speaker 1: and then the beginning next year they say, listen, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go. We're still waiting on you. Are you gonna

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Speaker 1: come back or not? And they save twenty million bucks

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Speaker 1: or forty million bucks by having the guy set that's

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Speaker 1: money that goes right into the owner's pocket. Don't think

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Speaker 1: that money like just doesn't come it's there. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: just it goes into the owner's pocket instead of Deshaun

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Speaker 1: Watson's pocket. He'll never see that money. The owner gets

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Speaker 1: to keep it. I just do you think he's losing

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Speaker 1: sleep over that? Well? I just don't know how you

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Speaker 1: function as a football team if the supposed leader or

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Speaker 1: your football team doesn't want to be there, never get

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Speaker 1: into it becomes I just think it becomes, it becomes untenable.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to function. And do you want to

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Speaker 1: do that to your first year head coach, Like, the

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Speaker 1: guy's trying to get off to a good start here,

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Speaker 1: he's trying to establish his program. And yeah, you've got

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Speaker 1: an all world quarterback, a top five quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 1: But the guy doesn't want to be there, and just

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Speaker 1: him if he goes a wall or makes life difficult

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Speaker 1: to force his way out of there, How what is

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Speaker 1: your recourse, Like, I just I don't see how you

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Speaker 1: move forward with that as a as a major hurdle

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Speaker 1: in your way to pushing your program forward, especially new

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Speaker 1: hand coach and in the NFL. In me my opinion,

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Speaker 1: it is a really really bad idea. Well, because owners

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Speaker 1: don't apologize. Yeah, right, don't get into a staring contest

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Speaker 1: with an owner with without eyelids, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: because they'll wait forever they don't. He doesn't. Yeah, don't

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Speaker 1: show up to a water fight with a squirt gun

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Speaker 1: the other guy's got a fire hose because as owner,

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Speaker 1: they don't care, and they shouldn't. They don't have to. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna do this, here's the problem, and here's why.

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Speaker 1: Here's why it's tough for Deshaun. You make it known

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Speaker 1: that you don't want to You don't want to be there.

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Speaker 1: But if push comes to shove, is this, if you

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Speaker 1: decide you're gonna have to go in and play for

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Speaker 1: the team. It's hard to go in and give your

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent best effort, but that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: you have to do, because if you go in there

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Speaker 1: and get a mysterious injury or you malinger, you're show

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Speaker 1: up late to pray, just use show blake for work.

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Speaker 1: Then your next employer is what am I gonna do

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Speaker 1: when I do something that makes him master? What am

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Speaker 1: I gonna do when I have a conversation with him

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Speaker 1: and he can struse one way and then he thinks,

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Speaker 1: now he's gonna do that to me? Right, it's a

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00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: tough spot for Dashawan to be in. His best option

559
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Speaker 1: is to say that he wants traded, come in and

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Speaker 1: give his best effort, and that's hard to do. But

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Speaker 1: for right now, the Houston Tective. If I'm the hust

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Speaker 1: owner of the Houston Texas and I really do want

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Speaker 1: to send a message, the message I'm sending is don't

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Speaker 1: come in. In fact, let me do something. So I

565
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: used to spend you for an entire year. And that's

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Speaker 1: a subject that's been broached too. It's been reported out

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Speaker 1: there as you know. Various national writers have speculated as

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Speaker 1: to whether McNair cal McNair, the new owner after his

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Speaker 1: father passed, whether cal McNair has been pressured by fellow

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Speaker 1: owners around the league to hold his water and not

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Speaker 1: the guy to set a dangerous precedent and give players

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Speaker 1: unwanted power. Owners don't want to be given players that

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Speaker 1: kind of power to decide where they want to go. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I wonder if there's an element of that

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Speaker 1: out Matthew Stafford said that, well, that was a mutual agree,

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Speaker 1: big yeah, mutual agree. Come on, man, come on man,

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Speaker 1: the end of the season end or right the right,

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Speaker 1: That's when it happened the day after the season ended. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm done, I'm out of here. Can you can

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Speaker 1: trade set something up? That's the same thing, Brownie, Right,

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Speaker 1: it's the exact same thing. Players do it. And I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you this too. In a in a game like

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Speaker 1: football where there are actual there's a dynamic where a

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Speaker 1: great even the best players like a Tom Brady, Drew

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Speaker 1: Brees Good down the list, m Pat Mahomes, they all

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Speaker 1: depend on their teammates. In a in a league like that,

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Speaker 1: head coaches and leaders, No, you can't have have an

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Speaker 1: important even forget a scrub player, like a special teams guy,

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00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: you're talking about a star player too. You don't want

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00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: guys like that who don't want to be there anybody.

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Speaker 1: If it's like, I don't care if the guy's you know,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady or anything. If he didn't want to be there,

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Speaker 1: you gotta let him go, right, you gotta let him

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Speaker 1: go that the dynamic of the locker room becomes poison.

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Speaker 1: That's why I just don't see it as a tenable situation.

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Speaker 1: If Watson sticks to his guns, you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: do something there, and it might not be what you

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Speaker 1: want to do, but if it's what's best for the

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Speaker 1: football team going forward, you may just have to hit

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Speaker 1: the reset button and take it from there. Because think

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Speaker 1: about it, General managers across league have control of the

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Speaker 1: fifty three. That's the way it is generally, right. The

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Speaker 1: GM is in charge of giving the head coach players. Here,

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Speaker 1: the head coach says, this guy didn't want to play,

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Speaker 1: he's a can't get rid of him. Because the head

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Speaker 1: coach said, well, listen, we don't have this, this, this

607
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Speaker 1: and on our roster. What am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's not even picking up the phone when

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00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: they call him, right, I mean it's just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they can repair it, I mean that

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Speaker 1: is that is maybe the best reclamation project the league

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Speaker 1: has seen in quite some time. If they can pull

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Speaker 1: that off, head coaches will have to They gotta have

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Speaker 1: players that want to be there, right, It's just David Culley.

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Speaker 1: If he was assured that Deshaun Watson was gonna be there,

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Speaker 1: that's fine and dandy. I don't know who assured him

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Speaker 1: of that. Nobody's talked to Deshaun. Can you assure him

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Speaker 1: of that? All they can assure him is and we're

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Speaker 1: not going to trade him? Yeah? Right, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: you can't function when you've got an important player like

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Speaker 1: your quarterback, you're running back whoever, that doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be there and that and in this day and age,

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Speaker 1: all they gotta do is is tap out on their

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Speaker 1: phone and the entire world knows about it. You can't

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Speaker 1: live like that. Let's uh, let's go back to the phones,

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Speaker 1: because we are asking you at eighth three, five fifty,

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Speaker 1: who won this Rams Lions trade with Jared Goff and

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00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford going in opposite directions to the Rams and Lions, respectively,

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Speaker 1: along with some draft choices headed Detroit's way eight oh three,

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Speaker 1: oh five fifty. We go to Lewis in Denver. Next, Lewis,

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Speaker 1: you're on one Bill's Live. What do you have for us? Hey?

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Speaker 1: How are you guys? Good? Good? Hey, I'm a Buffalo native,

633
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Speaker 1: been a Bills fan for forty five years. I just

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Speaker 1: want to say, Steve, you were the greatest special teams

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Speaker 1: player i'd ever seen. I think you belong in the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. That's nice, Thanks Lewis. I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. But I was wanting the way in on

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Speaker 1: that on Detroit. Yeah, I think those picks that they're

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Speaker 1: gonna get. You figure they're going to be between somewhere

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Speaker 1: twenty four to even thirty two possibly, and Detroit they

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Speaker 1: can't even hit on a high first round draft pick.

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Speaker 1: They're going to get two lower, almost guaranteed lower first

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Speaker 1: round picks from the Rams. Yeah. Just don't see the

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Speaker 1: impact of those picks to Detroit. So I think the

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Speaker 1: Rams won that deal. And you figure a quarterback these days,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them played till they're pushing forty. Stafford's

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Speaker 1: probably got six or seven solid years left and golf

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Speaker 1: and Detroit, who knows, Yeah, do there. It's unfortunate, Um,

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Speaker 1: you know they kind of go to Detroit is unfortunately

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Speaker 1: seen by some as an NFL waste land. But they

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Speaker 1: got a new GM. This GM is we'll see what

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Speaker 1: he can do. We gotta give these guys a chance

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Speaker 1: to work it their way. You know, maybe the new

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Speaker 1: GM is gonna be able to draft better, be draft

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Speaker 1: higher quality players and six or seven years probably stretch,

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Speaker 1: but maybe five. Maybe he's thirty three, four. I feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable saying four. But three or four if you're contending

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Speaker 1: for super Bowls in those four years, who the hell cares?

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Speaker 1: If it's three or four. You get a draft pick

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Speaker 1: in twenty three, twenty four, you know you'll your first

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Speaker 1: round traft picks maybe again by then. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think Matthew Stafford's got another two or three years left

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Speaker 1: in him. Three for sure, I would think, yeah, maybe four,

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Speaker 1: And he's right. You're you're right, Lewis. In today's in

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Speaker 1: the day and age where which we live, with a

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Speaker 1: club like the Rams have got, it might extend his

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Speaker 1: career because he'll be protected better. The league is better

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Speaker 1: to quarterbacks that they have a running game. They've got

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Speaker 1: a running game, and they've got a you know, a

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Speaker 1: play caller that's you know, gifted, and they got a defense.

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Speaker 1: I saw a statistic. Oh yeah, I saw a statistic

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Speaker 1: on Stafford's career with the Lions, and I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to double check on this, but I think I have

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Speaker 1: this right. They said in I think he's he's got

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Speaker 1: upwards of one hundred and fifty career starts, and he's

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Speaker 1: said that Matthew Stafford has like one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: career starts and in only eighteen of them has he

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Speaker 1: had a one hundred yard rusher, which essentially means it's

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Speaker 1: largely been on him for the better part of his

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Speaker 1: career without the benefit of a balance rushing and tag

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Speaker 1: along with him. Now, you can make the argument that

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Speaker 1: it's not as necessary now as maybe it was seven

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Speaker 1: or eight years ago to have that kind of balance

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Speaker 1: in your offense, but I think it does speak to

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Speaker 1: the fact that there really wasn't any other threat that

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Speaker 1: was viable in the Lions offense, and it was all

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Speaker 1: on Stafford to make it happen. We'll discuss this more.

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Speaker 1: We do have to take a break. James and Rochester,

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Speaker 1: hang on, we'll get to you next eight O three

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Speaker 1: five fifty. Open line for you there, tell us who

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Speaker 1: won this Rams Lions trade of quarterbacks and if you

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Speaker 1: have anything on the bills you want to talk about

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Speaker 1: two we're welcome to discuss that as well. Eight three

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Speaker 1: five fifty and we'll get to the tweet sheet soon enough.

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Speaker 1: Back in a moment here on one Bills Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalid to Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to one Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go right back to the phones. At eight

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Speaker 1: O three oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty

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Speaker 1: two five fifty. We're asking you who won this Lions

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Speaker 1: Rams trade of quarterbacks over the weekend, which also included

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Speaker 1: some first round draft choices and a third rounder this year,

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Speaker 1: all going to the Lions with goff in exchange for

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Speaker 1: Matt Stafford, also taking anything you might have on the

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Speaker 1: bills as well. Open line for you at eight O

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Speaker 1: three oh five fifty to James and Rochester, we go, James,

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Speaker 1: what do you have for us. You're on one Bills live. Yeah, hello, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I love the show. I just got a comment. I

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Speaker 1: see three Bills players were fined for that altercation last

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Speaker 1: week to Kansas City was Alan Dawkins and the felician

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Speaker 1: All got fined, all right, Kansas City chief got sinned.

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Speaker 1: I just find it laughable. And the Jones got away

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Speaker 1: of a sucker punching our player early in the third quarter. Yep,

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Speaker 1: should have been an immediate ejection. Yeah, he punched Feliciano. Ironically,

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Speaker 1: he was never called. And I think there was a

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Speaker 1: know the team of the Specifics, but I think there

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Speaker 1: was a similar incident earlier in the year where a

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Speaker 1: guy did that and they went back and looked at

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Speaker 1: the tape and suspended them for the next game without

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Speaker 1: a penalty being called. If you thought they were going

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Speaker 1: to do that with a pro bowled defensive tackle in

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Speaker 1: the AFC title game. But the piece we're playing a

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Speaker 1: little you know, a little dirt. I want to say

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Speaker 1: they were nasty dirty, but they're playing dirtier to the

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Speaker 1: Bills all game, and they way with a lot of

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Speaker 1: little things and it got to the Bills and that's

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Speaker 1: what led to all that but said I'd heard your

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Speaker 1: ran on Brady the other day, but I'm rooting for

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. I've never really been a big Andy Reid fan,

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Speaker 1: going back to the Eagles, and I just wanted Kansas

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Speaker 1: City to eat some humble pie. Okay, I get I

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Speaker 1: get it all right, appreciate the college. Well, one other thought,

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Speaker 1: what do you think of maybe Aaron Jones unrestricted free

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Speaker 1: agent coming here? But I probably couldn't afford them, But

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Speaker 1: like your thoughts on that, Yeah, I don't see a

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Speaker 1: free agent running back coming here. I think if they

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Speaker 1: add a running back, change a pace guy, something like that,

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Speaker 1: they're they're gonna be doing that in the draft, presumably

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Speaker 1: to invest big money in running backs. I think is

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Speaker 1: foolhardy this day and age. It's a position of attrition.

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Speaker 1: I think if you want to set up a committee

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Speaker 1: backfield and add a third I'm not opposed to that.

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Speaker 1: But you're not paying top free agent money on someone

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Speaker 1: like Aaron Jones to have a third wheel added to

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Speaker 1: the running back game. You only pay big money if

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Speaker 1: you're getting somebody like that can do three hundred carries

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Speaker 1: a year. I mean, and then you're praying to God

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Speaker 1: he holds up, which is why more teams are going

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Speaker 1: with committee. He holds up or gives up. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a a double edged swords, you see.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can say, okay, what about you know,

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Speaker 1: Zach Moss and Devin Singletary and what would have what

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Speaker 1: would have been different had they had a guy like

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Speaker 1: a you know, Derrick Henry or a somebody of that ilk.

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Speaker 1: The simple fact the matter is you can find guys

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Speaker 1: to run the football really effectively in the third round,

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Speaker 1: like these two guys that are Yeah, the bigger difference

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Speaker 1: to me is getting a guy who's hungry to play

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Speaker 1: and hungry to do well. And also, like we've said

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Speaker 1: a couple of times here, you got to have a

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Speaker 1: dominant offensive line. The disappointing thing with the fines is

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Speaker 1: even on replay, with the opportunity to review the scuffle,

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Speaker 1: they still got the fines wrong because they find Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen fifteen thousand dollars for tossing a football at Alex

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Speaker 1: Okafer's head, which was wrong, but no give what was

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Speaker 1: Give Josh the fine? No problem fifteen grand though for that,

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Speaker 1: because how come Oka for gets nothing that started the

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Speaker 1: whole thing and The worst thing is you got national

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Speaker 1: reporters saying, oh, Josh Allen find fifteen thousand dollars for

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Speaker 1: starting the kerfuffle that occurred in the AFC title game.

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Speaker 1: Creed in and started three seconds after three after the

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Speaker 1: three seconds after the plays blown, it knocks him on

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Speaker 1: the ground and everything's already in the ground. It may

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Speaker 1: as well be a week. Three seconds is forever the

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00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: whistle was blowing. Josh Allen got thrown to the ground

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Speaker 1: five yards away from where the whistle started blowing. He

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00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: was like, he's on the halsht up by passing here

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Speaker 1: and right now the whistles blown. And then this happens.

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Speaker 1: It's like three seconds after the whistles blown. And then

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Speaker 1: the guy gets up and starts checking at him. It's

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Speaker 1: just they can't get it right. Well the officials, is

782
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Speaker 1: this so hard? The big problem with the whole thing

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Speaker 1: is the officials weren't calling penalties to begin with. He's

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Speaker 1: already blown the whistle. He threw him down. What are

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Speaker 1: you doing man? Yeah, Now Josh is mad because it

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Speaker 1: was so late. And then this guy gets up and thinks, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's after the whistle. Jack gives me all Jack is

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00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: me all jacked up watching the because it's yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: clearly it's garbage. It's total garbage, and it was it

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Speaker 1: wasn't chippy. There were some chippy stuff, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: There was some chippy stuff going on in the game

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Speaker 1: on both sides, on both sides. But if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: let it go, get it right, I mean that's you

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Speaker 1: get to this point when the officials start letting that

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Speaker 1: stuff go. Well, and that's what happens in the playoff games.

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Speaker 1: You and I have talked about this each of the

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00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: last two weeks in the playoffs. The refs put their

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Speaker 1: flags away in the postseason because they're afraid of having

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Speaker 1: a detrimental impact on the game. The problem is you

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Speaker 1: have more of a detrial mental impact by not controlling

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Speaker 1: the tone and tenor of the play on the field.

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Speaker 1: They didn't do it the whole game. I think they'd

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Speaker 1: only thrown three penalty flags before that. In the entire game,

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Speaker 1: tempers are boiling over. You haven't been calling any of

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Speaker 1: the tikie tax stuff, so this stuff happens. That's right,

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00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. You gotta cont that, and I think

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Speaker 1: that is one of the most overlooked things by officials

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Speaker 1: in just about any sport. Yeah, your job is not

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Speaker 1: only to enforce the rules of the game, you're also

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Speaker 1: entrusted with controlling the tenor's right and the temperament of

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Speaker 1: the game that's correct, And too many officials completely overlooked that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that was an effect that was causing effect. Um,

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Speaker 1: the officials just letting stuff go leads to that because

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Speaker 1: the players got the players are not going to let

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Speaker 1: their quarterback get treated like that, get thrown down after

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Speaker 1: particularly if their quarterback starts to snuff up after he

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00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: gets mad at it, their offensive lineman, there's no way

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Speaker 1: they're going to do anything else. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs and those guys are doing what they can get

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Speaker 1: away with, and they got away with it. I mean

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Speaker 1: that's so that's you know, to me, that game escalated

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Speaker 1: to a point and we all saw it was all chipped.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't out of control. I mean there that was

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Speaker 1: a kerfuffle. It was that was not a brawl. That

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00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: wasn't a bench's clearing thing. That was not as ugly

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Speaker 1: as we've seen at other times. It was just a thing.

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Speaker 1: But when one team starts to get chipping gets away

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Speaker 1: with some stuff the other team starts to get they

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00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: it starts slow and then it grows and the next

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Speaker 1: time and then they get another way with something else.

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Speaker 1: It's like hey, wait a minute, and then another thing

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Speaker 1: and it's like wait, and then another thing and then

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Speaker 1: it's off comes off. That's what happens. That's what happens.

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Speaker 1: All right, break time for us, But when we come

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Speaker 1: back more of your phone calls, Rick and Nashville, Chuck

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Speaker 1: and Rochester Hank Tight we'll get to you in the

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Speaker 1: next segment here on One Bills Live. As we're discussing

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Speaker 1: who won the Stafford Goff trade and why anything on

839
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: the Bills that's on your mind is fair game as well,

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00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: so we'll be discussing all of that with you. We

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Speaker 1: also have an obl fanmail bag recap. Since we didn't

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Speaker 1: really get to enough of your questions from this past Friday,

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00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: we'll open that bag up, see what's sitting in there

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Speaker 1: from last week and answer those for you as well.

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Speaker 1: Here on One Bills Live, presented by Khalid to Health,

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Speaker 1: It's Buffalo Bills Radiofalo Bills Radio Network Sports your sports

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Speaker 1: update from One Bill's Drive. The Bills resigned their first

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Speaker 1: impending free agent this offseason, Buffalo signing veteran offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: Jordan Debby, who was on their practice squad in the

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Speaker 1: first half of the season before being called up to

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Speaker 1: the active roster down the stretch. The thirty three year

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Speaker 1: old signed a one year contract on Monday. Some news

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Speaker 1: and notes from over the weekend. Nearly a week after

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Speaker 1: the Bills lost the AFC title game to the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chief, several Bills players were fined for unsportsmanlike conduct.

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Speaker 1: According to an NFL Network report, Josh Allen find fifteen

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Speaker 1: K for unsportsmanlike conduct during the fourth quarter of the

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Speaker 1: championship game when he was tackled to the ground by

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Speaker 1: Chief's defensive end Alex Okafer after the play had been

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Speaker 1: blown dead. While on the ground, Allen's tossed the ball

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Speaker 1: at Okaf's helmet. Also, Bill's guard John Feliciano and tackle

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Speaker 1: Dan Dawkins were fined for unsportsmanlike conduct for coming to

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Speaker 1: Allen's defense. Both of them were fine ten grand. Virtual

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Speaker 1: media day underway It's Super Bowl fifty five and Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady with one of the headline quotes as he said

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Speaker 1: he will quote definitely consider playing beyond age forty five.

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Speaker 1: Our first major trade of the offseason. Saturday night, the

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Speaker 1: Lions trade a quarterback, Matthew Stafford, to the La Rams

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Speaker 1: in exchange for quarterback Jared Goff and a multitude draft picks.

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Speaker 1: The Lions will receive a third round pick this year

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Speaker 1: and a first rounder in twenty twenty two and twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three. The deal cannot be made official until the

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Speaker 1: start of the league year. On March seventeen, Stafford had

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Speaker 1: a short list of teams to which he would not

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Speaker 1: like to be traded. It was a very shortlist. Tom

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Speaker 1: Kerrent of NBC Sports Boston reports that Stafford was willing

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Speaker 1: to go anywhere but New England. No specific reason was provided.

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Speaker 1: Rams ended up with one quarterback from the NFC North,

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Speaker 1: and reports are that they first tried to get another one.

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Speaker 1: Sam Farmer from the La Times reported that the Rams

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Speaker 1: made a run at Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers first. According

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Speaker 1: to Farmer, the Packers were adamant that they weren't trading Rogers.

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Speaker 1: Farmer didn't specify the offer made by the Rams for Rogers,

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Speaker 1: or if it even got to that point. Sabers practiced

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Speaker 1: this afternoon, and because of inclement weather, on the East Coast.

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Speaker 1: They will leave tomorrow for their game against the Islanders

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday, with face offset for six pm. Long Island

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Speaker 1: and the New York City area getting pounded by a

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Speaker 1: North easter that could drop up to more than a

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Speaker 1: foot of snow on the area. That is your sports update,

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker our number two of the program,

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Speaker 1: as we are asking you who you think one the

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Speaker 1: Lions Rams quarterbacks swap over the weekend, and if you've

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Speaker 1: got anything else on your mind with respect to the

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Speaker 1: Bills in their offseason plans, we're ready to field them

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Speaker 1: here at eight oh three fifty or on the tweet

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Speaker 1: sheet at one Bills Live. Let's go back to the phones,

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Speaker 1: and we lead off here with Rick in Nashville. Rick,

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Speaker 1: what do you have for us? You're on one Bills Live. Hey, guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got two thoughts, if you'll allow it. The first

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Speaker 1: one is overall, I think the Lions won the trade

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Speaker 1: and just value that they got for Stafford. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Rams are you better next year? Well? Yeah, absolutely. And

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Speaker 1: if I'm the Falcons, i am calling the Colts to

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Speaker 1: see if I can get anything near that for Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan and see if they if they'll bite on that.

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Speaker 1: Stafford's gonna be thirty three, right, will be thirty six

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Speaker 1: next year? No point in hold on. He's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys, and they've actually pretty similar careers. My second

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Speaker 1: point is I've been a sports official for a long time,

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Speaker 1: multiple sports, and it's tough to watch the NFL and

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Speaker 1: just how they've accepted inept subpar officiating to the point

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Speaker 1: where it's not only become you just expect it, it's

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Speaker 1: just become part of the game that you know the

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Speaker 1: officials are going to be horrible. And how that has

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Speaker 1: just been accepted by a billion dollar industry, I cannot

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Speaker 1: I can't understand it. Yeah, no matter how awful they are,

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Speaker 1: and no matter how bad they are, here's your games

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Speaker 1: for next week. I just don't understand that. The lack

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Speaker 1: of accountability, the lack of pride in your work, they

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Speaker 1: just it just seems like where's my check? Yeah, and Rick,

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Speaker 1: I you know, being someone that's been in that world

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Speaker 1: before as as an official yourself, Believe me when I

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Speaker 1: when I'm making those criticisms, by no means am I

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Speaker 1: indicating that it's an easy job. I realize it's a

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Speaker 1: hard job to do. And there's only a certain people

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Speaker 1: cut from a certain cloth that can handle that stuff,

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Speaker 1: knowing the criticism that often comes along with that line

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Speaker 1: of work. But to me, it's just as a youth

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Speaker 1: coach myself, just at that level, all the way up

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Speaker 1: to the pro level, I just time and again, it

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Speaker 1: just seems that too many officials are more concerned with,

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Speaker 1: you know about, you know, enforcing the rules of the game,

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Speaker 1: which I totally get. That's job number one, but that

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Speaker 1: second job seems to fall by the wayside all too often,

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Speaker 1: which is to control the temperament and tenor of the

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Speaker 1: game so that things don't get out of control where

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Speaker 1: you're breaking up a fist fight. You hit on it

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Speaker 1: early when you said things got chippy. I mean you

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Speaker 1: had you had three chief players throw punches, and Nance

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Speaker 1: brought up to one and he said, isn't that an

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Speaker 1: automatic ejection to Romo And he's like, well, it should be,

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Speaker 1: and then you just completely drop it like it never happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right. I think that's an enormous miss like that,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it affected the outcome of the game,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly affected the tenor of the game and

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Speaker 1: how you know, and and it spurred some conversations like

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Speaker 1: this one about I think anytime the conversation goes away

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Speaker 1: from what happens with the guys on the field and

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Speaker 1: goes to how the game is run, I think is

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Speaker 1: a detriment to the league. And I know you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get a little bit of that anyway, depending on you know,

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Speaker 1: whether your team wins or loses. You know, when a

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Speaker 1: team loses, there's always sour grapes and people say, hey,

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Speaker 1: the officials weren't good and all that, and I get

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Speaker 1: all of that, but this is about there's no question

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Speaker 1: in my mind that the league must have or somehow

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Speaker 1: that the officials all got this collective consciousness that they

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Speaker 1: were going to lay out this year. This was a

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Speaker 1: year officiated unlike any other in recent memory, and that,

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Speaker 1: coupled with the current state of where replay is, is

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Speaker 1: also a little bit troublesome to me. So you put

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Speaker 1: those two things together. A year in which the NFL

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Speaker 1: officials they don't want to get COVID, so they don't

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Speaker 1: measure things. They spot the ball generally speak on yard

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Speaker 1: lines rather than half yard lines or whatever, and they

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Speaker 1: don't call it unless it is egregious. They kind of

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Speaker 1: relied on where the veteran NFL teams and the players themselves,

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Speaker 1: they kind of set the rules themselves and they called

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Speaker 1: it within the parameters the players set more so than

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Speaker 1: than the parameters of the league. Um. I just think

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Speaker 1: this was an unusual year and a lot of fronts

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Speaker 1: officiating is no different than that. I think there was

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Speaker 1: there were significant differences in this year the way it

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Speaker 1: was officiated than in past years. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: the end the Bills the Chiefs game is just a

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Speaker 1: minor symptom of that. I think they got bigger problems

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Speaker 1: with the replay and what they were and were not

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Speaker 1: able to do, and some other things that linger. I

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Speaker 1: think Rick's right though, It's just it's so overlooked. It's

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Speaker 1: just passed off as well. Nobody's perfect, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Like Steve, We've run down the list all

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Speaker 1: the time, just with Bill's examples alone, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: playoff game in Houston last year with a recovered ball

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Speaker 1: in the end zone because the guy on the kick

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Speaker 1: return didn't take a need to make the plague blown

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Speaker 1: dead throws it to the refe of one of the

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Speaker 1: Bills players picks it up in the end, so that's

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Speaker 1: a touchdown. That's a touchdown. I mean, that's just one.

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Speaker 1: And then you can run down the list. We had

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Speaker 1: Terry Pagoula on this show two years ago talking about

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Speaker 1: a Kelvin Benjamin touchdown that was reviewed and still ruled

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Speaker 1: incorrectly in New England. It happens, and that's just us

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Speaker 1: this team. That's one out of thirty two teams. And

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Speaker 1: it's interesting too because there's different aspects of this. I'm

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Speaker 1: go to this rabbit hole, but think about this. This

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Speaker 1: is one where it was a changeover play so it

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Speaker 1: could be reviewed, but the but Repplay called down and

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Speaker 1: changed the ruling on the field without being asked or anything.

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Speaker 1: Didn't get buzz, didn't get b I was not called

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Speaker 1: in from New York on a whim. Just decided they

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Speaker 1: decided that that was going to be a thing. So

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Speaker 1: that to me was something that you don't see and

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Speaker 1: that was kind of a precedent that was set. So

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of that going on. Terrible. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: with the in regards to the officiating, particularly this fine

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Speaker 1: in this fine, how does nothing that was so late?

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Speaker 1: It's three seconds after the whistle blew, no fine for him.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, Okay, in the heat of the moment.

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Speaker 1: We've seen this time and time again, Steve. They never

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Speaker 1: get the initiator, they always get their retaliator, right, So

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Speaker 1: totally get why Josh got the flag because you know,

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Speaker 1: they don't know what they're doing out there in real time.

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Speaker 1: But the league had a week, almost a week to

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Speaker 1: review the play on film time and time and time again.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you this question. Do you think

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Speaker 1: they had enough presence of mind to have the sound

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Speaker 1: up to hear when the whistle blew? Do you think

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Speaker 1: they did? Yeah, I don't think they didn't, because if

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Speaker 1: you did, you would have known that that Oka four

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Speaker 1: hit him three seconds after the whistle blew. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: the initiator, not Alan on the play. I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: I even looked at that film again after I saw

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Speaker 1: the fines get handed down, I went and played it back.

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Speaker 1: I played the video back sound up, and you clearly

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Speaker 1: hear you could see the ref in the shot blowing

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Speaker 1: the whistle. Yeah, I mean, you don't even need the

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Speaker 1: sound up. Ridiculous. Ah. Now I'm just annoyed, Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: annoyed and absolutely did get it? Find Josh for throwing

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Speaker 1: the ball at the guy's face. Yeah, that's what the

1031
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Speaker 1: other guy doesn't get off Scott free. They're missing. And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this too. The real egregious thing is

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Speaker 1: the fact that in games and years past, a sucker,

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Speaker 1: a guy punching somebody gets suspended the next game or

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Speaker 1: at least is out of that game. And if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't get he's out. And this guy, the guy that's

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Speaker 1: Chris Jones, Chris Jones, the pro bowled defensive tackle who

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Speaker 1: slugged Feliciano in the side of the head. You don't

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Speaker 1: think Feliciano is the first guy there. You don't think

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Speaker 1: he remembers getting sucker punch with no no repercussions at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, so that there you go. I mean it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying ridiculous. Bill's Cheese said, I don't

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Speaker 1: care if it's the Saints and the ramsbody punch in

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Speaker 1: the head that's you know, I mean, it's not even

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Speaker 1: come on punch. Yeah, I mean, it's a automatic And

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Speaker 1: you'd almost rather for the cheese fan. Well, in years past,

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Speaker 1: it would have been reader for the cheese fans to

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Speaker 1: have him. Uh, it's just ejected from that game, knowing

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Speaker 1: that if you eject him from that game, you probably

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Speaker 1: won't get suspended for the following game. But to go

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Speaker 1: back and look at it, yeah, I don't know. Embarrassing

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Speaker 1: back to the phone to eight oh three, We go

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Speaker 1: to eight three, five fifty, We go to Chuck in Rochester. Chuck,

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Speaker 1: what do you have for us? I got a couple

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Speaker 1: of things for you, guys. I was thinking that the

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00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: trade was pretty much a win win for both teams.

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: I see the Rams at a point that they they

1058
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: got they got a great, great defense and a decent

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00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: team right now, but they really needed a quarterback. They

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00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of money, they can't do much

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00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: in free agency, so to grab a guy like Stafford

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00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: and bring them in for a few years, and they

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00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: got a chance to maybe get into a Super Bowl.

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00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: And as far as Detroit, I mean, they're just killing

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00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: Stafford down there, so it ain't a bad move for

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00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: them to get rid of them and get a bunch

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00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: of picks. I mean, they get a couple of first rounders.

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00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,959
Speaker 1: They got their own first rounders, which will be low

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00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: because they're not really that sharp right now, so they'll

1070
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: have a ton of picks, picks for the next three years. Yeah,

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00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: what happens if what happens if those picks all stink? Wow,

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00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta I mean, you gotta start them where.

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00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: You gotta hope that picks don't all stink. I mean,

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00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 1: you gotta hope if you got you got four first

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00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: round picks and you know what I mean, five first

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00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: round picks in the next three years, and a couple

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00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: of thirds, and you know what I mean, and a

1078
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: lot of early picks from you know, one to three,

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00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: you come up with something, I don't are they gonna

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00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: come up Are they gonna come up with something better

1081
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: than the starting quarterback who's elite? Well, if you don't

1082
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: have some help around them at the decent line, a

1083
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: decent run game, and you can't even evaluate people, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I just I mean, all right, I'm

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00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: just trying to say, there's two draft a bunch of

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00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: really good players. Yeah. Uh. My point is this, It'll

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00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: be two years before you even see those draft prices.

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00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: But let's let's try to look at it from Detroit's perspective, though, Steve, Okay,

1089
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: they just signed Dan Campbell to a six year deal

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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: as the new head coach. There's a law runway here

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01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: that the head coach is being provided presumably based on

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01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: the length of the contract. So I don't think they

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01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: believe they're fixing it in twenty twenty one where they're

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: contending for the division in the NFC North, let alone

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: make in the playoffs. But what they have is a

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01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: quarterback who's arguably got ten more years in the league,

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01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: age twenty six, player, plenty of time, plenty of career

1098
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: in front of him, has been to a super Bowl,

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01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: can be the new leader on this team with you know,

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01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: proven playoff experience to back him up. He also, even

1101
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: though he was playing for a West Coast team, he's

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Speaker 1: playing indoors, so that's good for him. You know, California

1103
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: kid playing indoors. He's going to play indoors every time

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01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: he goes up to Minnesota two. So I think this

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01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: all helps what they may want to do on offense.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the guy that's their general manager now

1107
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 1: is the guy that made all those good draft picks

1108
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: for the La Ramps or help to help less sneed

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01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: make of all those good draft picks for the Rams

1110
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 1: the last several years. So the thinking here is Look,

1111
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: we're tearing this down to build it back up again.

1112
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: But to start with a quarterback who's proven he can

1113
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: win in the playoffs is a big thing. Now, are

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: the Lions going to be able to get just as

1115
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: much out of Jared Goff as Sean McVay did. That's

1116
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: the sixty four million dollar question, and I don't know

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01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: that any of us have the answer, and that'll have

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01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: to bear itself out over the next year or two.

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Speaker 1: But I think if you're trying to look at it

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Speaker 1: from the Lions perspective, you can at least understand the

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01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: build they are trying to undertake here as they start

1122
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: from the ground up. They got their quarterback draft, some linemen,

1123
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: get some skill position guys and try to build around him,

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01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: and hopefully you can make yourself a competitive football team

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01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: in two years time. Hopefully it's not a guarantee. Now

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing, Steve, that we haven't discussed yet

1127
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: about this trade with respect to the Rams. Okay, we

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01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: mentioned Brad Holmes leaves, the Rams, gets hired by the

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: Lions as the general man. Well, he is a minor

1130
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: already higher. The Rams get a compensatory pick from the

1131
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: league next year and the year after, so they get

1132
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: two compensatory third rounders, and I think that's why they

1133
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: didn't mind sweetening the pot giving up their own third

1134
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: rounder this year, knowing they're getting one right back from

1135
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: the league granted at the end of round three, but

1136
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: they get the compensatory picks because of the minor already

1137
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: higher away from them, so they kind of recoup at

1138
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: least the three. I'm disinterested in being a team planning

1139
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: on being good in two years right because just because

1140
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: there are thirty one other teams who believe they're going

1141
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: to be good in two years, that doesn't change them

1142
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: from what they were to have been if they hadn't

1143
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 1: made the trade. I think the new people there, whether

1144
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: it's Campbell, whether it's Holmes, whoever is sitting there that's new,

1145
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: it's clear to me that this trade will give them

1146
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: the extra ammunition they feel they can work with to

1147
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: make them more competitive going forward. If you don't believe

1148
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: you can make your team more competitive, why are you

1149
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: even in this business? You know what I mean? And

1150
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 1: I know their track record isn't good, but the track

1151
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: was a track record wasn't good here in Buffalo either

1152
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: before Sean McDermot and Brandon being a run. Let's just

1153
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: you're right, it's it's crazy for anybody, any any NFL

1154
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: team to think we're gonna draft better than everybody else.

1155
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: Now they may, but it's there's no way to count

1156
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: on that because because you're dealing with human beings, and

1157
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: the guys who look great may not be in the

1158
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: guys who don't look you know, so you get so

1159
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: the best way to do it is to stockpile picks.

1160
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: I get that. So if you get if you have

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: thirteen instead of seven or four picks like some of

1162
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: these teams have, and you get thirteen picks and you

1163
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: hit on half of them, you're shotgun in the draft.

1164
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: You're talking about six and a half guys who can

1165
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: really play. Whereas if you if you shoot that same

1166
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: fifty percent with forty, you get two guys. So I

1167
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: get that. You know, everybody's planning on being good in

1168
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: two years, right, everybody. But you can at least make

1169
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: the argument that the Lions, even though they traded their

1170
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: way their franchise quarterback, have one in return that has

1171
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: won in the playoffs and has shown some measurability of

1172
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: carrying an offense. You have to get talent around him,

1173
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 1: because look, I'm not the biggest Jared Goott fan myself,

1174
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: but at least he's a guy that has won in

1175
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: the playoffs, has been there before, and you can look

1176
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: to to kind of lead your You don't have to

1177
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: worry about the position for right now. You can address

1178
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: all the other things around that, whether it's you know,

1179
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 1: offensive line skill positions, improving the defense, whatever the case

1180
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: might be. And now you have the extra draft capital

1181
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,560
Speaker 1: in which to do that. As Steve said, you absolutely

1182
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: have to hit on those picks to a great extent.

1183
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: Maybe not you know, bad a thousand, but you got

1184
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: a bad five hundred, four hundred, five hundred at least

1185
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,120
Speaker 1: with the picks that you now have. So whether they'll

1186
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: be able to do that is what remains to be seen.

1187
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: But Brad Holmes it comes very highly recommended out of

1188
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: la where he was one of the quintessential influences in

1189
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: some of the draft choices that this Rams club has

1190
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: made over the last several years, which have been pretty

1191
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: good picks all things considered. Less. Snead has operated more

1192
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: via the trade route with the Rams the last couple

1193
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 1: of years to fortify the roster, but their draft choices

1194
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: have been pretty solid as well, So we'll just have

1195
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: to see where it goes. Only time will tell. But yeah,

1196
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean it's not a bad opinion to have. It's

1197
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: a win win for both teams. The Lions got the

1198
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: draft capital they want, still have a quarterback position filled

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01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: with a capable player, and the Rams got the player

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01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: that they think is gonna put him over the top. Well,

1201
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: i'll tell you this with the Detroit Lions, there's two

1202
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: teams in two different places, completely different places. What the

1203
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions did do is they made sure that Dan

1204
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: Campbell wasn't going to do what Sean McDermott did. You

1205
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 1: come in, You come in, start it started up. You

1206
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: trade a couple of key guys, do some nice things,

1207
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 1: and go right to the playoffs first year out of

1208
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: the box. You think the Detroit Lions actually have a

1209
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 1: chance of doing that. No, Well, I'll tell you this

1210
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: be real. Nobody thought Sean McDermott was going to do.

1211
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 1: Let's see who they draft number one, number two. If

1212
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: they're getting there, they're doing it via the wild card.

1213
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: Because I think Green Bay is still the overwhelming favorite

1214
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: in their division. But the NFC isn't exactly chock full

1215
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 1: of talent, and it's going to undergo a turnover here.

1216
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: If Breeze doesn't come back in New Orleans, that team's

1217
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: not the same. If the Falcons part with Matt Ryan,

1218
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: that's a rebuilding effort, and many people consider it that already. Anyway,

1219
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 1: Carolina seems a little wayward right now and may trade

1220
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater. It's basically the NFC West and a couple

1221
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: of teams Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Tom Brady now Matthew Stafford,

1222
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, Kyler Murray. Let's say Kyler Murray. That's five.

1223
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: Then it goes down to like, guys like San Francisco

1224
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: is a better team than Detroit, right, Guys like Kirk Cousins,

1225
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Dak Prescott, goff in Detroit, Carson

1226
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: Wentz and Matt Ryan. Right. So I mean you could,

1227
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: depending on what Washington Chicago do, I think there could

1228
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 1: be enough turnover in the NFC where you could find

1229
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: your way to it. Obviously, the track record in the

1230
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: history of the Lions would say unequivocally no, and first

1231
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: year head coaches more often than not do not make

1232
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 1: the playoffs because they're usually being hired by teams that

1233
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: need to rescue the franchise and rebuild. So probably not,

1234
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: probably not right, But they've been drafting high for a

1235
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: long time. They're lasting the division again. Yeah, and the

1236
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: division that has the Chicago Bears in it and the

1237
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: Vikings who can't find their Juggernauts either. You no wonder

1238
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is great. Six of his games are against

1239
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 1: those three teams every year. Yeah, that's you know, and

1240
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: of that division. Yeah, and you thought the NFC East

1241
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: was bad, Well, the NFC East is bad. It was

1242
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, Usually it's not correct. Usually it's not.

1243
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 1: They all kind of were in this cycle of suck,

1244
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: the suck cycle. They were in the suck cycle like

1245
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: like twenty twenty, like the rest of us were. We

1246
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: were all there this year, but the NFC East was

1247
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 1: the poster boy for twenty twenty and the suck cycle.

1248
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: We all got sucked into ultimate suckiness. Yeah. I'm gonna

1249
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: start the tweet sheet here very quickly before we go

1250
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,920
Speaker 1: to break who won the Stafford Gop trade and why

1251
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: Tiffany on the tweet sheet, which is brought to you

1252
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: by Corrigan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company of

1253
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: the Bills. Tiffany says, I'm not sure either team won.

1254
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: As talented as Stafford is, he's often injured. The Rams

1255
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: gave away a ton of draft capital to Detroit. I'm

1256
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: not too sure if they can take advantage of it.

1257
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: They generally draft poorly. Goff is the middle of the

1258
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:14,440
Speaker 1: road QB with a huge contract. It's a push for me. Yeah,

1259
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 1: so what do we have? Chuck and Rochester said it

1260
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 1: was a win win. Tiffany calls it a push. Yeah,

1261
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean both those clubs. And if

1262
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm Dan Campbell Detroit, I'm glad I got a six

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Speaker 1: year deal. He's never gonna see the end of it

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01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 1: because of the fact that now they've extended his acclamation

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01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: process of getting respectable, let alone competitive the Detroit Lion,

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01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: and by that time just one to think about this

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Speaker 1: get this year is it's gone? All right, it's gone,

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: but except it goes on Dan Campbell's record. They stunk

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, So the next year they get

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01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: out slow out of the blocks. They're still trying to

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01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: find themselves. They end up they go like what six

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Speaker 1: and ten? Okay, all right, all right, well, no problem,

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: all right, we're getting there. We're gonna get there. Progress.

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: Then the next year, the third year, they go, oh

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01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 1: and three out of the gate. Wow, firing squad. He's done.

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: Can't wait on him. Yeah, could happen. Wouldn't put it

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: past him. Yeah, their first coaches pretty quickly, that first

1278
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: of those extra first round draft picks comes out. He

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01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:30,679
Speaker 1: comes out yanks a hammy in training camp. Wow, Steve,

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01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: you are really going down there? Oh you know it's

1281
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 1: gonna happens. Come on, yeah, all right, we have to

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01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: take a break, but when we come back, more of

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01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 1: your comments on the tweed sheet. We'll also crack open

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01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: the obl fan mail bag. See what questions you have

1285
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: for us on the bills. If you have any, you

1286
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: can fire them off at us at eight oh three

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: five fifty open line for you there. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: in a moment here on one Bills Live presented by

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Speaker 1: Kellia Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio Round. Steve Tasker, second

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Speaker 1: half of the show underway here on a Monday, taking

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Speaker 1: the up until three o'clock today and talking Goff Stafford

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: trade between the Lions, and the Rams who won out there.

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Speaker 1: We're taking your comments at eighth three, five fifty or

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: if you have any question on the bills, those are

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: welcome as well, open line for you there. Back to

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01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet, though, and Chris says, the Rams won

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01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: the trade because now they have a guy that can

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Speaker 1: throw for four thousand plus a season. Sean McVay and

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01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 1: the Rams finally got their guy in Matthew Stafford. Stafford's

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: ten times better than Jared Goff. In my opinion, the

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Speaker 1: Rams will be a force to be reckoned with in

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: the NFC West for years to come. I would wholeheartedly

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01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: agree he is a better quarterback than Jared Goff. I

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about that. Isn't an amazing though, Steve,

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01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: how clear it was that McVeigh had soured on Goff

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01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: as the season wore on. Then he had a I

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: know he had a bum thumb there at the end

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: of the season and probably before that, because he would

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01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: just have these uncanny interceptions at the worst possible time.

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01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: He would just make a bone headed play a most

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: critical moment in a football game. And it wasn't just

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01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: once or twice. It probably happened half a dozen times

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01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: this season, and I'll say this, that's and I get

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01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: it to McVay might have a high bar for a

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: quarterback because the guy's got you know, Mcvay's got perfect recalls.

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01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: He's got this brilliant ideas and the game plans and

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01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: stuff he wants executed. I think what frustrates ach head coach,

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01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 1: in my opinion, what frustrates a head coach more than

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01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 1: anything is when he's got a guy that he thinks

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: he can depend on, and in certain situations, after the

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01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: guy has seemingly proven he can do this, you know,

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01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,200
Speaker 1: not do it make a mistake that he doesn't make,

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01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: do us something that you predicted he wouldn't do because

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01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: of what he's proven to you in the past. And

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: then he does it again, and he does it again,

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01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: and he does it in a different way. Like you know,

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: there's certain concepts he gets and you think, okay, he's

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,760
Speaker 1: got this, we're gonna get this. There's the concept there

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01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: it is what are you doing? Yeah? Right? That kind

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01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: of thing that time and time again, it gets to

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01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 1: a point where a coach can't trust you to do

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 1: the right thing. And that's what coaches value more than anything. Else,

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 1: especially in a quarterback. Can I trust the guy? That's

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01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,640
Speaker 1: exactly how much can I trust the guy? And Philadelphia

1335
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 1: is going through the same exact thing with Carson Wentz. Right,

1336
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: it got to a point now, there were a lot

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01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: of other factors at work in Philadelphia. In fact, I

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 1: would argue that Jared Goff was more of a solo

1339
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: self sabotager in LA with all the talent that he

1340
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: had around him and the coaching he had then Carson

1341
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: Wentz had in Philly. There were a lot of contributing

1342
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: circumstances to the debacle that unfolded in Philadelphia. The receivers

1343
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 1: were old and couldn't stay healthy. The offensive line had

1344
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 1: fourteen different combinations through the first twelve weeks of the season.

1345
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,640
Speaker 1: You're using a thirty nine year old Jason Peters at

1346
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: left tackle because you have nobody else. I mean, it

1347
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: was a mess. Get Miles Sanders miss time, their star

1348
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 1: running back. Not to mention that the chemistry and the

1349
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: coaching staff of the relationship between Doug Peterson and Carson

1350
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: Wentz was altered when Frank Reich left another and other

1351
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: coaches on that offensive staff. John All these guys took

1352
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: off and they left, So the super Bowl thing was

1353
01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:23,280
Speaker 1: was short lived and he didn't lead him to the

1354
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: super Bowl. It was on top of that, it was false, right,

1355
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: and they caught a little bit of lightning in a bottle,

1356
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: no question, Um, I get all of that. But I

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01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: think this thing with Sean McVeigh and and you know

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 1: the way it came down with Matt Stafford, And it

1359
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 1: was interesting too that I guess the Cabo San Lucas

1360
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: in Mexico is kind of a place to haven, right,

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01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: I guess there's a lot of guys head off down there.

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01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: So from what I understand, Uh, Sean McVay his fiancee

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01:14:56,360 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 1: crossed paths and I unbeknownst because I like I say,

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01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 1: they went down a list of guys who were in Cabo. Yeah,

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01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 1: it's a long list of Rams guys and a long

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01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 1: and Matt Stafford and his wife And it ends up

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01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 1: as soon as the deal is consummated by the Rams

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: and the Detroit Lions, Matt Stafford, his wife Kelly, and

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: Sean mcvain his fiance running, there's a dinner in Cabbo. Yeah,

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01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 1: after the deal was done. After the deal was done,

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Speaker 1: I don't and I'm and it's supposedly and I and

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: I think it's probably true, just because the way I

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01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: know how dynamics were, those guys probably acknowledge each other,

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01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: even if they were staying at the same hotel. They're like, hey, coach,

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01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: how you know da da da da. And then once

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01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000
Speaker 1: it was you know, once they found out it was

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01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: gonna happen, they were like, yeah, calling over a room seven, Hey, coach,

1378
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: what's going on? Right? They supposedly called him and saw

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 1: if he and his wife could join him and his

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Speaker 1: fiance for dinner, and then that happens, right. That's uh,

1381
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: But that's that's a thing. So um, interesting stuff about

1382
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 1: how all that camp came down over the weekend. It's

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01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 1: always interesting, you know here that because somebody's got to

1384
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: pick up the phone call these guys. And McVeigh actually

1385
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: called Jared Goff and said, hey, we traded you, and

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01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: he's talking to him, said listen, we got we gotta

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01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: deal from the detroity lines. We're gonna we're gonna trade

1388
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: you to them, and Goff while he was on the phone,

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01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: and this is the way it was reported, while Goff

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01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,080
Speaker 1: was on the phone with McVeigh getting told that he

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01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: was traded. Goff's father was ringing in on the line,

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01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: and I can totally relate to this, like coach, I

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01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: get it. Thanks, I gotta call, I gotta go, hang up,

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01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: pick up the phone and say, Pops, guess what just

1395
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: happened to me? You know. It was a short conversation. Yeah,

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01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you this too. Don't think Jared Goff

1397
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: and Sean McVay hate each other. I don't think they do.

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01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: You don't have the success that you gotta at the

1399
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 1: at the core, it's gotta be you know, well, we

1400
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 1: gotta go. You got something's got to change, and it's

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 1: gonna and I'm the head coach. You're the thing that's changing.

1402
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: At the quarterback. We got a deal. We're gonna make it.

1403
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: And I you know, be kind of touchy right now,

1404
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: but I'm down the road is gonna be a hey cool,

1405
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: emotions are raw, right, they'll they'll have dinner business, but

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: they're done. They'll have dinner together, you know when years

1407
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: down the road. Um, it's just part of the thing

1408
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 1: that happens in the in the league and in every league,

1409
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 1: in every pro sports league. So I'm I'm pretty sure

1410
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: it's not you know Jared Goff's sticking needles and his

1411
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: Sean McVay dol right now, but I'm you know, he's

1412
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: probably not probably took him off his speed dial. But yes,

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01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: now from Jeremy on the tweet sheet, Stafford's a great QB.

1414
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 1: Unfortunately had to be in one of the worst franchises

1415
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: in the league. They failed to get him talent to

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01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 1: help him succeed. I now view the Rams as a

1417
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: force in the NFC, greater than they had been in

1418
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: the last few years. Poor Goff will be forgotten to history. Wow, oh, Jeremy, Wow,

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01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 1: forgotten to history. Okay, that's a little strong. Yeah, maybe

1420
01:17:56,240 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 1: a little strong. From Nate laugh out loud. Stafford is

1421
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: gonna tear it up in LA. He's definitely super Bowl

1422
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: bound for two years. But man oh man, the Coals

1423
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 1: and forty nine Ers are built for win now for

1424
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: the next ten years, and whiffed on the opportunity for

1425
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 1: a great trade. If you think about that, the Coles

1426
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: and forty nine ers not get here's why. Guys who

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: played with him and against him, and like our buddy

1428
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: Dan Orlovsky who played with him years a couple of years,

1429
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: his backup was his backup swears by Matt Stafford. The

1430
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: guys who played with Stafford go on and on about

1431
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: the guy's arm talent, about his personality in the draft,

1432
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 1: his arm talent, his personality in the locker room, his leadership,

1433
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 1: his toughness. Yet, I mean, he checks all the boxes

1434
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 1: for all of his former teammates and probably all of

1435
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: his current ones too. The guy's got it where it counts,

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01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 1: both physically and mentally. So you're plugging him into a

1437
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 1: team that is built to have its foot on the

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01:18:58,520 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: gas all the time. I think Matt Stafford, I think

1439
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford puts the Rams right back deep in the playoffs. Now,

1440
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: certainly they you know anything that happened deep in the playoffs.

1441
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you what, I'm totally on board with

1442
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: the La Rams because I've i have thought from the

1443
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: word remember Samas Stafford played in Detroit when the Bills.

1444
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: He came into Detroit when the Bills were still playing

1445
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: him once a year in the preseason, and then once

1446
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, every three years or whatever, that guy can go,

1447
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: he can go. I'm totally on board with this trade

1448
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: for the Rams. Totally on board with it because I'm

1449
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,480
Speaker 1: all about the here and now in sports, because tomorrow

1450
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: is for you know, that's Tomorrow's for everybody who can't

1451
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: win today. Yeah, today is for the guys who can

1452
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: win now, and the Rams are those people. The Rams

1453
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 1: are those people from Jack on the tweet sheet. The

1454
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 1: Lions won the trade. Goff is making a lot of money,

1455
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: but is still young and has unta potential. Obviously Stafford

1456
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: was done with Detroit and the Lions get all those

1457
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: high round picks. Sure Stafford is the better quarterback right

1458
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: now and the Rams will benefit in twenty twenty one.

1459
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: But this could help the Lions build a competitor. Could

1460
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: here's the operative term here. If it was, if it

1461
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: was an even Stephen trade, why wasn't it just Goff

1462
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: for Stafford If they both wanted to move, or if

1463
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: or if the Rams front office wanted to move golf

1464
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: and it was mutual between Stafford and the Detroit Lions, hey,

1465
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: let's just trade them. Because two years of Matt Stafford

1466
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: at twenty one point five a year on average is cheap.

1467
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 1: Goff is twenty six million a year. So you're talking

1468
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: about what are you talking about being on the hook

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Speaker 1: for four years or being on the hook for two

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Speaker 1: years basically, yeah and now, And I don't know. Rams

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01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 1: had to throw in two one and a three, right,

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01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think Jack, there's your problem, there's your thing, right,

1473
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: all right? But Jack wasn't saying that the quarterbacks were

1474
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: and he said Stafford's a better quarterback right now and

1475
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,600
Speaker 1: the Rams will benefit in twenty How long is it

1476
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 1: gonna take it help the Lions build a competitor? How

1477
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: long is it gonna take Golf to get to be

1478
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 1: the better quarterback right now? He's not gonna get there.

1479
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: You can make that argument, he will never get there.

1480
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: And why do you say that he had every chance

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01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: to stay there and he's gotten worse with the same

1482
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,640
Speaker 1: coaching staff, the same guy who who he was a

1483
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: bust his rookie year, he was a total nightmare. Then

1484
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: McVeigh comes in, salvages him, gets him to the super Bowl,

1485
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:36,440
Speaker 1: and then finally it's like, come on, get better. Yeah,

1486
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen. It didn't happen. Yeah, I mean

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:46,760
Speaker 1: that's theory. The choice getting draft picks, Yeah, I don't know.

1488
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:48,880
Speaker 1: I gotta make the most of those for sure. If

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01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: if they're ever gonna look back on this trade, you

1490
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 1: can't draft enough to get a franchise. You can't draft

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01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,839
Speaker 1: that unless it's the number one pick of the draft.

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01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: I wonder, well, yeah, but apparently Brad Holmes, the GM

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01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: of the Lions, was one of those guys in the

1494
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: Rams draft room that was pounding the table for him

1495
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:08,639
Speaker 1: when he got drafted. Because if you remember, that's also

1496
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: the draft when Carson Wentz was taken number two overall

1497
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: by the Eagles and it was, you know, down to

1498
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: Goff and Wentz and brand Holmes, who is now the

1499
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 1: GM of the Lions, pounded the table for Jared Goff.

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: So I would tend to believe he thinks he is

1501
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,160
Speaker 1: getting a quality quarterback in return along with draft capital,

1502
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: and that's why they swung at it. That's the only

1503
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: He's got some physical traits, no question, it's got too

1504
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,679
Speaker 1: to be first trout, first pick of the draft, right,

1505
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 1: but he only fits in certain offenses. He is not

1506
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: schematically universal in my opinions. Why that's why you become

1507
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: predictable and you can't get back to the super Bowl

1508
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: with him. All right, break time for us, But when

1509
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: we come back, we'll finish up things on the tweet sheet.

1510
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 1: We'll also get to the obl fanmailback eventually here definitely

1511
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: before the show was over, and coming up in the

1512
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: two o'clock hour, the third hour of the program, we

1513
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: will have Nate Davis, NFL writer from USA Today. Well,

1514
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 1: that's some interesting work of late, including winners and losers

1515
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: of the Stafford Trade, greatest teams to play in the

1516
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, greatest players in Super Bowl history, and what

1517
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 1: cod COVID impacted offseason changes could stick this coming off season.

1518
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: We'll get all that to you in the third hour

1519
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 1: of the show. Back in a moment here on One

1520
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: Bill's Live, presented by Kalid to Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio,

1521
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, just about ready to

1522
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: close up our number two of the show. Coming up

1523
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: in our number three will be Nate Davis, USA Today,

1524
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: NFL writer and columnist who had some interesting work as

1525
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: of late, including the winners and losers in this Goff

1526
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: Stafford trade. And we want to finish up with the

1527
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: tweet sheet here because we had let's see, who did

1528
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: we have left to get to Tom on the tweet sheet,

1529
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: who said, I believe that on paper the Lions have

1530
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,160
Speaker 1: won this trade, but it will depend on how they

1531
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 1: use their picks. They have to get it right this time.

1532
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: They haven't been able to do that in recent years.

1533
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:16,799
Speaker 1: Stafford is the better quarterback and will definitely help the Rams.

1534
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 1: It does all come down to the draft choices, because

1535
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:22,839
Speaker 1: if they don't hit on them, then it's a colossal failure.

1536
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: But Brad Holmes was the former college scouting director of

1537
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 1: the Rams and was very influential in the draft choices

1538
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 1: that the Rams have put together over the years, the

1539
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 1: last several years that were very, very good choices. He

1540
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: was working for the Rams two weeks before he was

1541
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: signed by the Detroit Lions, right, so there's some knowledge

1542
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 1: there about what they're doing well, and he probably they're thinking, well, yeah,

1543
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: and he had obviously known that McVeigh had soured on Gough,

1544
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, there was some inside intel to

1545
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 1: that deal, no question about it. And he also knew

1546
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 1: the financial implications for the Rams. The Rams were much

1547
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: better off trading Jared Goff, which hands them a twenty

1548
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: two million dollars cap hit if they just cut Jared

1549
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: Goff sixty five million dollars hit on their cap right,

1550
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: so trading him, the cost incurred is cut by two thirds,

1551
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,680
Speaker 1: right by trading him instead of just cutting him out

1552
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: right because it was clear McVeigh was done with him done.

1553
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 1: You know it's interesting too you talk about how the

1554
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 1: money works around. You know that the Rams also don't

1555
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: have to pay a first round draft pick until twenty

1556
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty twenty three, so they get to save

1557
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 1: all that money too. But think about this, if all

1558
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 1: the ifs and butts out in the forefront of what happens,

1559
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: if the third round draft pick that comes back to

1560
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 1: the Rams after giving up all those draft picks turns

1561
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: out to be a Hall of Fame pass rusher who

1562
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: wins the trade? Then? Yeah, who wins the trade if

1563
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,880
Speaker 1: it's a Hall of Fame running back. So you can

1564
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 1: say all the ifs and what and ifs and can

1565
01:25:55,000 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: you know whatever the ifs go both ways? Yeah? What

1566
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: if Goff stinks so bad? What if? What if Stafford

1567
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: tears his rotator cuffin we two? That's right, that's all if,

1568
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: that's all the future? Yeah, I mean what if? Yeah?

1569
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: What if Goff never takes a snap as a Detroit Lion? Hey,

1570
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: that happened when uh the Texans took brock Osweiler from Denver.

1571
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: But no, from Cleveland, from Cleveland, Cleveland, they sent him

1572
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: down there, and basically Cleveland took him from Houston. Oh

1573
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 1: that's right, Cleveland took him from Houston to basically take

1574
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: him off their books. Never played it down for the Browns. Never.

1575
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 1: And then they traded him right away to the Denver Broncos.

1576
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: They trade I can't remember where. They traded him to

1577
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 1: the Bronchos and then he went then he went back

1578
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 1: to Houston for a minute. Right, that guy got generational

1579
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 1: wealth by not playing stunning. To me, that's what potential does.

1580
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,240
Speaker 1: That's what happened if you check the right boxes from

1581
01:26:57,320 --> 01:27:00,759
Speaker 1: most people. It doesn't if you check the right boxes physically.

1582
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 1: Good lord, come on, good cree. I used to tease them. Yeah,

1583
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I used to tease all the guys I hung. All

1584
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: my buddies were all six to five. My buddy, my roommate,

1585
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: Pete Metz Lars on the road drip SI. No, he

1586
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 1: was six eight. If I was six eight, I'd still

1587
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: be playing. He checked the right boxes. It goes a

1588
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: long way. You were six to eight, you probably wouldn't

1589
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 1: have been as quick and fast as you were either.

1590
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 1: But if I was neither, neither here nor there you

1591
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,360
Speaker 1: would have been Lebron James, we wouldn't have been talking

1592
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: about me being a Hall of Fame Special Teams player.

1593
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. That's right. All right, break time

1594
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: for us when we come back from USA Today, NFL

1595
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: writer Nate Davis, who's got his take on this Gough

1596
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:48,040
Speaker 1: Stafford trade, among other things concerning the Super Bowl. He

1597
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: had the fifty five best teams that ever played in

1598
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's an interesting list and they're not

1599
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: all the winners, so stay tuned for that. We've got

1600
01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Nate Davis coming up next here on One Bill's Live,

1601
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Hell, It's Buffalo Bills Radio, Buffalo Bills

1602
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: Radio Network Sports, your sports update from One Bill's Drive.

1603
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: The Bills resigned their first impending free agent this offseason,

1604
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: Buffalo signing veteran offensive lineman Jordan Devi was on their

1605
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 1: practice squad in the first half of the season before

1606
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: being called up to the active roster. The thirty three

1607
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: year old signed a one year contract earlier today. Some

1608
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 1: news and notes were over the weekend. Nearly a week

1609
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 1: after the Bills lost the Kansas City Chiefs in the

1610
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 1: AFC Title Game. Several Bills players find for unsportsmanlike conduct.

1611
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: According to an NFL Network report, Josh Allen find fifteen

1612
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: K for unsportsmanlike conduct during the fourth quarter when he

1613
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,880
Speaker 1: was tackled to the ground after the whistle by Chiefs

1614
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 1: defensive end Alex okafor and tossed the ball at Okaf's

1615
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,200
Speaker 1: helmet after he was on the ground. Also, Bills guard

1616
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 1: John Feliciano and tackle Deon Dawkins find for unsportsmanlike conduct.

1617
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: Both docked ten K. Virtual media day underway at Super

1618
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: Bowl fifty five, and Tom Brady with one of the

1619
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 1: headline quotes as he said he will quote definitely consider

1620
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 1: playing beyond age forty five. First major trade of the

1621
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: offseason over the weekend Lions trading Matthew Stafford to the

1622
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,839
Speaker 1: Rams in exchange for quarterback Jared goff In a multitude

1623
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 1: of draft picks. Lions will receive a third round pick

1624
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: this year and a first round pick in twenty twenty

1625
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: two and twenty twenty three. The deal camp he made

1626
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,439
Speaker 1: official until the start of the new league here on

1627
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: March seventeenth. Matthew Stafford had a shortlist of teams to

1628
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 1: which he wouldn't like to be traded. It was a

1629
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: very shortlist. Tom Current of NBC Sports Boston reported that

1630
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 1: Stafford was willing to go anywhere but New England. No

1631
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: specific reason was given in that report. Rams ended up

1632
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: with one quarterback from the NFC North and reports are

1633
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: they first tried to get another one. Sam Farmer from

1634
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 1: the La Times reporting the Rams made a run at

1635
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 1: Packers quarterback and Aaron Rodgers first. According to Farmer, the

1636
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: Packers were adamant that they were in trading Rogers. Farmer

1637
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:05,439
Speaker 1: didn't specify the offer made by the Rams for Rogers

1638
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: or if it even got to that point. And the

1639
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 1: Sabers practice this afternoon, and due to inclement weather on

1640
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: the East Coast, they will not leave for their game

1641
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: against the Islanders Tuesday night until tomorrow. For that game,

1642
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: face off on Tuesday is set for six pm. That

1643
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:24,400
Speaker 1: is your sports update from One Bill's Drive. Chris Brown,

1644
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,839
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you our number three of the program

1645
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: and joining us on the line right now is the

1646
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: NFL writer for USA today. It is one Nate Davis

1647
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:35,080
Speaker 1: joining us on the show here an hour number three.

1648
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: Thanks for making some time, Nate, How you doing good?

1649
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: Good to be with you guys, virtually it's got done

1650
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: with years. So we're going to talk some bills or

1651
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: some Matthew Stafford or whatever else. Yeah, I know you,

1652
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: I know you put together, you know, the winners and

1653
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,519
Speaker 1: losers in this Stafford Goff trade. So why don't we

1654
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 1: start there because we've been talking about it on the show,

1655
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 1: as Steve mentioned during the break, and for the here

1656
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,880
Speaker 1: and now, I mean, it clearly looks like the Rams

1657
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: of the winners. The Lions have finished in the last

1658
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,960
Speaker 1: place in their division each of the last three years,

1659
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: and getting to where the Rams are now as they

1660
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,519
Speaker 1: inherit Stafford doesn't seem feasible in year one of this

1661
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: trade for the Lions in twenty twenty one, maybe you

1662
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: feel differently, but the early return seemed to favor the Rams,

1663
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:21,040
Speaker 1: who look to be poised to be an NFC title contender. Well, yeah,

1664
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: I think I think the Rams are definitely gonna be

1665
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 1: on the shortlist next year as a team that people

1666
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 1: see coming out of the NFC going to Super Bowl

1667
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: fifty six. I mean, the NFC, I think it was

1668
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,960
Speaker 1: a pretty you know, broad group of contending potential teams anyway,

1669
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:38,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think the Rams are truly distinguished

1670
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: from from the NFC East. It would team of Drew

1671
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Brees retires. Where does that leave the Saints and the

1672
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: other Rams with that number one defense were more competitive

1673
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: than I thought they were going to be this year,

1674
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: and you add Matthew Stafford to that equation. I mean

1675
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: it sure. It seems like they probably are going to

1676
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: be the prohibitive favorite to win the NFC West last year,

1677
01:31:56,640 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: so it does look good for them. But that being said,

1678
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,639
Speaker 1: I think this may be the trade that all teams

1679
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: really want to make, and that it looks like at

1680
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it could be a good

1681
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: one for both sides for different reasons. What does it

1682
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: say about what's the possibility for other quarterbacks moving Carson

1683
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,639
Speaker 1: Wentz has His contract is kind of the same as GOP's,

1684
01:32:15,680 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: almost considered unmovable. But if you can get the Philadelphia

1685
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Eagles to throw in a bunch of draft picks for

1686
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the privilege of getting rid of the contract, if they

1687
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: don't like the player and they like Jalen Hurts better,

1688
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,360
Speaker 1: could it be a blueprint for having this happen more often? Yeah?

1689
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I think I think maybe Steve and I kind of

1690
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: wrote about that. It took me back to kind of

1691
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: the brock Osweilder deal where the Browns really had no

1692
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 1: intention of using him, but they got the second round

1693
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 1: pick from from Houston just to take that so out

1694
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: or off their books. I mean, this isn't I don't

1695
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: want hits apples to orangines, but it's kind of apples

1696
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: to Granny Smith apples where I don't think Jared Goff

1697
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:51,879
Speaker 1: is probably you know, the long term starter in Detroit.

1698
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: But I do think that they got such a big

1699
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: haul from the Rams because they were willing to take um,

1700
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, that salary off the Rams books. And I

1701
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,200
Speaker 1: think pretty much everyone acknowled just at this point that

1702
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:05,639
Speaker 1: that was not the greatest uh you know, contract extension

1703
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 1: you know I've ever given, and that it really hurts

1704
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: the Rams, and a big part of this trade was

1705
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: getting rid of that. So I we'll see if it

1706
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 1: helps other teams. Certainly, Carson Wentz you mentioned it is

1707
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: a guy that is a lot easier to trade than

1708
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: he is to release. Um, you know, would Frank Raich

1709
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: and the Colts still be interested. Schools are in an

1710
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: interesting position than that. They do have Jalen Hurts, who

1711
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: probably a lot of teams would prefer to have given

1712
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 1: his Rooking contract. But I heard Adam Chapter say the

1713
01:33:29,479 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: other day, you know there might be an overunder of

1714
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: about eighteen for quarterbacks would be teams this year, So

1715
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: this may just be the first domino that seems pretty

1716
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:38,800
Speaker 1: high to me. I would I'd be willing to buy.

1717
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,200
Speaker 1: I'd be willing to buy ten to twelve. Eighteen seems extreme.

1718
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 1: But in any event, for the Lions, though, Nate, this

1719
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,719
Speaker 1: is an exercise in patience. And I know Lions fans

1720
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 1: probably aren't in patient because they've been languishing at the

1721
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: bottom of the league for far too long. But you

1722
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,680
Speaker 1: see a six year contract for Dan Campbell, I did

1723
01:33:56,720 --> 01:33:59,759
Speaker 1: not see the contract that Brad Holmes got. Is the GM.

1724
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,760
Speaker 1: But assuming your head coach is on a six year deal,

1725
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: and I know that really doesn't mean anything with the

1726
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 1: turnover that we see in coaches every year, but still

1727
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 1: in all, you're not getting an extra first rounder until

1728
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. I have to believe this is an

1729
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:17,719
Speaker 1: exercise in patience in terms of this rebuilding effort, well

1730
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 1: for sure, And I mean, this isn't a team that

1731
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: I think anyone expects to compete in twenty twenty one.

1732
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 1: You know, they really didn't compete very well at the

1733
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty. They were kind of sneaky good

1734
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, but I think that was largely because

1735
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: of Matthew Staff. They get the third round pick this year,

1736
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm sure that will help it, but then they're really

1737
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think the build starts these next couple

1738
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 1: of years. And I think even Dan Campbell said, I

1739
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 1: think he told the Free Press, you know, don't don't

1740
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 1: expect a whole lot of results until year three, which

1741
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: is something that most coaches aren't really willing to say.

1742
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: You kind of wonder how the locker room will take

1743
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: that kind of commiment. But you know, again, the Lions

1744
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: have the five first round picks over the next three years. Now,

1745
01:34:58,360 --> 01:35:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, if Jared Goff has gone on, you know,

1746
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 1: two years from now, when his guaranteed money is up,

1747
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: they should have more cap flexibility and if he plays great,

1748
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: then maybe they they found their guy. But I think

1749
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: this does create options for them. Um, you know, maybe

1750
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,160
Speaker 1: they could still take a quarterback this year at number

1751
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,639
Speaker 1: seven in the draft and have Goff be that bridge guy.

1752
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Or maybe they just started kind of building, you know,

1753
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: the assets around whoever the future quarterback is going to

1754
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 1: be and graft that guy in twenty twenty two or

1755
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, and maybe they'll they'll be more of

1756
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,720
Speaker 1: a ready made product that it's not Jared Goffs. Some

1757
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: young quarterback is kind of ready. You know, the car's

1758
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: ready to drive, just you need the driver. At that point,

1759
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 1: one of the cars that's not ready to drive to Houston, Texans,

1760
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 1: particularly since their car, their driver, Deshaun Watson, wats out

1761
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: and the club has said there's no way. In fact,

1762
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: it seems as though David Culley was assured that they

1763
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: were gonna mend the fence with Deshaun Watson and keep

1764
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: him in and that's what enticed David Cully to take

1765
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,880
Speaker 1: the job. And now no change in Deshaun Watson. He's

1766
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: not even picking up the phone. How do you see

1767
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: this playing out? If they do move him, where's the

1768
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,400
Speaker 1: best fit? On me? He'll fit anywhere, but where's the

1769
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: most likely place? And if they don't, how do you

1770
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 1: see it playing out with Deshaun Watson on the roster

1771
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,920
Speaker 1: but not playing well? Yeah? I think I think Deshaun

1772
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: Watson is gonna have a good amount of to say,

1773
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: about this, and we would be interesting to see if

1774
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: if the NFL starts looking away at the NBA, where

1775
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 1: guys are able to force themselves out despite salary caps

1776
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 1: and garantee moneies and those kind of things. I mean,

1777
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: if Shaun Watson decides to withhold services because he's so upset,

1778
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure that the Texans are going

1779
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:32,640
Speaker 1: to have a whole lot of choice at that point. Um.

1780
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,760
Speaker 1: You know, you do kind of wonder if Nickissario would

1781
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: have taken that job had he known how upset that

1782
01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:40,639
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was, just because he was really I think,

1783
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, the the asset that anyone's joining that team

1784
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: this offseason, looked at thought what we could build around

1785
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,240
Speaker 1: Shaun Watson, even though we don't have salary cap space

1786
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 1: or high draft picks this year. But um, they do

1787
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to replenish that if they decide to

1788
01:36:53,479 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: move them. And you know, I looked at all thirty

1789
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:58,519
Speaker 1: one team but I saw a betting side getting odds

1790
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 1: for all thirty one teams acquire Deshaun Watson, which of

1791
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 1: course it is ludicrous, but went through the list anyway.

1792
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 1: But I do think you kind of you go through

1793
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,839
Speaker 1: that and you do end up, you know, probably primarily

1794
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:11,800
Speaker 1: looking at the Jets and the Dolphins just because they

1795
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 1: both have the multiple first round picks. Um this year,

1796
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:18,479
Speaker 1: the Jets have multiple first round picks next year, they

1797
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 1: can each offer a guy on a rookie quarterback contract

1798
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 1: that they could be a placeholder or maybe a reclamation project. Um,

1799
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,800
Speaker 1: they're they're in Houston, So I think I think that's

1800
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,320
Speaker 1: kind of where you start. And I think, you know,

1801
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: the Miami Harold had the story saying that Shaun Watson

1802
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 1: would prefer to play for the Jets and his second

1803
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,200
Speaker 1: choice would be would be the Dolphins, So that that's

1804
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: probably interesting for Bills fans and that you know, maybe

1805
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 1: there's a good possibility he ends up in the a

1806
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 1: FC East if he has in fact moved. But I

1807
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't kind of teams like like the Bears, um, maybe

1808
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: maybe the Panthers for for certainly, you know, being high

1809
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,639
Speaker 1: on the list as teams that will try to get

1810
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: in on this if it turns out the Texans really

1811
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:55,679
Speaker 1: have no other option but to move him because he's

1812
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,799
Speaker 1: just dead set on not coming back to that franchise.

1813
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: Switching gears here, you put together a piece. You know,

1814
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: with this being Super Bowl week on the fifty five

1815
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: greatest teams in the Super Bowl, and they weren't all

1816
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:10,719
Speaker 1: the winners that you had make this list. In fact,

1817
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:13,759
Speaker 1: I think in the in the I think the highest

1818
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: loser in the Super Bowl rank was was the two

1819
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 1: thousand and seven Patriots, who were undefeated obviously before the

1820
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,559
Speaker 1: ultimate game. I think you had him ranked sixteenth. I

1821
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 1: did find an interesting he had the ninety one Washington Redskins,

1822
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 1: Steve who your guys played against, in the top five.

1823
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 1: I knew they were really good squad, but top five

1824
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: that I mean just maybe your thoughts, Nate just at

1825
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:39,680
Speaker 1: first blush as to why they made it to your

1826
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 1: top five on the list. Yeah, that's a team kind

1827
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,880
Speaker 1: of similar to to the h Maybe not similar, but

1828
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 1: in terms of a one off team, and you're not

1829
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 1: looking at the body of work outside that particular Super

1830
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Bowl season. But I think I think the Redskins point

1831
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: differential Washington, you know where you know, they're the point

1832
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: differential year It was like two hundred and sixty one

1833
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: points and then they won fourteen games, just just blew

1834
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 1: out the competition in the playoffs and then obviously you

1835
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: know a pretty pretty commissing what event went against the

1836
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,200
Speaker 1: Bills on the Super Bowl. So um, I think they

1837
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:16,759
Speaker 1: kind of deserved to be that high, just just based

1838
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: on their their resume that season, what Mark Rippin did,

1839
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: and you know, there wasn't a whole lot of success

1840
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 1: or not not near that level of success on either

1841
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 1: side of that season, but just in a vacuum, that

1842
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:30,120
Speaker 1: was a dominant, dominant team over the course of that

1843
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 1: one year. And you had to worry about Brian Mitchell

1844
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: in that game, right, Steve, he was their big return man. Yeah,

1845
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 1: he's one of them, Yeah he was. They were good. Man.

1846
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: That was as an inspired of performance as I've ever

1847
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,839
Speaker 1: seen in a Super Bowl, And up until I think

1848
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 1: the Seahawks team that won the Super Bowl against the

1849
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:52,000
Speaker 1: Denver Broncos, when the when the Legion of Boom beat

1850
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl, I thought that was

1851
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 1: as good a team. That was the first team I

1852
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: saw that would have beaten the Redskins the game that

1853
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 1: I played in Super Bowl twenty six. I don't where that.

1854
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where that Seahawks team even even it

1855
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: did rank with with you, but that that Seahawks team

1856
01:40:05,320 --> 01:40:08,719
Speaker 1: in the Legion eleventh was was as good a play

1857
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 1: because that was a defense I thought. I still think

1858
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,560
Speaker 1: it's the best defensive performance of a football team in

1859
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ever because of the offense that they

1860
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: faced and how well they played against it. Peyton Manning

1861
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 1: and that two thousand and what was a twenty and

1862
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: twelve offense set all kinds of records and they got

1863
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 1: stuffed in the Super Bowl. I still think it's maybe

1864
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 1: the greatest defensive performance in any team ever. But yeah,

1865
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:33,559
Speaker 1: I um, that Super Bowl twenty six squad with Washington

1866
01:40:33,640 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: was really good. Let me take it from me. They

1867
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 1: were good. Yeah, but let's talk. Let's move on. I

1868
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: gotta ask you this as well, Um, you also did

1869
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: greatest Super Bowl Players in NFL history, And that's gotta

1870
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: be a gargantuan task to put together that list. Yeah,

1871
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,720
Speaker 1: and that that's a you know that that's this is

1872
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,200
Speaker 1: really more art in a lot of ways, uh, you know,

1873
01:40:58,439 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, how do you compare a left tackle

1874
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: to a quarterback? And obviously, you know, the Super Bowl

1875
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: MVP list when you look at it, is so heavily

1876
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:10,200
Speaker 1: skewed toward towards told the quarterback position. And I didn't

1877
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: want to make it a quarterback list. Um. I mean,

1878
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: I certainly had some guys on there. It's really Tom

1879
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: Brady is number one. But I did try to have

1880
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: a representative of all all kinds of positional groups and teams,

1881
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 1: and both recognized guys that were great, great players and

1882
01:41:25,080 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: maybe in their prime, and or guys that you know,

1883
01:41:27,479 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 1: um played, played in a lot of Super Bowls and

1884
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 1: had a body of work in the game. So I

1885
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: did try to make that really representative in a lot

1886
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:36,599
Speaker 1: of ways as opposed to just having it, you know,

1887
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: be a bunch of stealers or a bunch of forty

1888
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:40,960
Speaker 1: nine ers. Is there are some of those, but but

1889
01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 1: I tried to work in other guys um as well

1890
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 1: to just kind of kind of make that more of

1891
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl team in some way, as opposed to just, um,

1892
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:50,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's a Tom Brady list or a Steel

1893
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: Curtain list or that kind of thing. One of the

1894
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 1: more interesting guys that you had on the list, just

1895
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,040
Speaker 1: in terms of how you described him was Kurt Warner,

1896
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,200
Speaker 1: who I know you had sixteenth on the list, and

1897
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 1: I just found the opening sentence very interesting. With a

1898
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,599
Speaker 1: break here or there, he'd have three championships instead of one.

1899
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he loses on a vinitary field goal in

1900
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 1: the last second of their chance at a repeat Super

1901
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 1: Bowl after winning in ninety nine and then thirty four

1902
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 1: seconds left, Santonio Holmes, how do you weigh that though?

1903
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,720
Speaker 1: I'm just Nate, I'm just kind of thinking about the

1904
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,800
Speaker 1: task you had here, and I'm like, man, I don't

1905
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 1: know if I'd even want to be trying to weigh

1906
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,759
Speaker 1: that out. But yeah, I mean, he could have arguably

1907
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: three super Bowls. I mean, he's still in the Hall

1908
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: of Fame. I mean, in the end, it deserves to be.

1909
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: It doesn't count for much, but I just thought that

1910
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: I never really thought of Kurt Warner that way, Like, dang,

1911
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:46,240
Speaker 1: he could have had three super Bowl titles. Well, and

1912
01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:48,160
Speaker 1: I think he in curse case. You look at the

1913
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:51,080
Speaker 1: fact that you know, where were the Rams before Kurt Warner?

1914
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:55,519
Speaker 1: You know where were the Cardinals before? And I remember,

1915
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, no one really gave them a chance to

1916
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: Cardinals and that Steeler Super Bowl. I mean, at the time,

1917
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,240
Speaker 1: we were talking about that two thousand and eight Steelers

1918
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 1: defense being one of the best of all of all time,

1919
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 1: and and then you know, the Cardinals almost pull that

1920
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,719
Speaker 1: game out with the Larry Fitzgerald touchdown, you know, running

1921
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 1: up the field late in the game. But yeah, you

1922
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 1: had the Antonio Holmes play in there, and you had

1923
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, you got to put this on Kurt, but

1924
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: you had that James Harrison play the one hundred yard

1925
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:22,040
Speaker 1: interception which was maybe a fourteen point swing but but

1926
01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: at least a ten point swing in a game that

1927
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 1: I think was decided by my three points. Um. But

1928
01:43:27,479 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 1: you know, prior to these last couple of years too,

1929
01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 1: you know, there there was for quite a while Kurt

1930
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:35,719
Speaker 1: Warner had the three highest passing days in NFL history. Um,

1931
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, first guy to go over four hundred yards

1932
01:43:39,120 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 1: with that big touchdown to Isaac Bruce and the Super

1933
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: Bowl at the Rams won. Um. But but yeah it

1934
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: was Kurt Warner. It was was one, two and three

1935
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:49,200
Speaker 1: on the Super Bowl record for passing yards until Brady

1936
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:52,040
Speaker 1: had the games against the Falcons and then the five

1937
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:54,880
Speaker 1: hundred yard game losing effort against the Eagles. So so Kurt,

1938
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: Kurt really stood out even more just two or three

1939
01:43:57,479 --> 01:44:00,479
Speaker 1: years ago. One thing, before we get to this matchup

1940
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: for this Super Bowl in Tampa, I wanted to ask

1941
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:05,320
Speaker 1: you about we all went through a trying time, and

1942
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 1: it was I've said this for a couple of weeks now,

1943
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: it was a gargagean accomplishment for the National Football League

1944
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: to get two hundred and fifty six regular season games

1945
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,919
Speaker 1: in and the playoffs. Certainly there was some snaffoos with scheduling,

1946
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: but to do that is an enormous accomplishment, but it

1947
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: took a lot of compromise and a lot of adjustments

1948
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 1: to get there. What are some of the changes that

1949
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: have happened in the NFL this year, in this unique

1950
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 1: year that you think may stick around. Yeah. I wrote

1951
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: a piece about this and just kind of what might

1952
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:37,479
Speaker 1: carry forward from from pandemic to to post pandemic h

1953
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:42,400
Speaker 1: and hopefully we're hopefully we're largely passed out this this summer. Um,

1954
01:44:42,439 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that will be the case, and

1955
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:45,439
Speaker 1: I think that maybe you'll you'll see a lot of

1956
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 1: these measures still in place when the twenty twenty one

1957
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,560
Speaker 1: season starts. UM. I think the one thing that was

1958
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,120
Speaker 1: kind of universal, you know, asked Bruce arians about this

1959
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 1: was just he really loves, you know, the more flexible

1960
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 1: roster management, which is, you know, the guys can come

1961
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 1: off injured reserve after three weeks as opposed to missing

1962
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: the eight games, and you can have the unlimited instead

1963
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:08,320
Speaker 1: of just two guys. You've got the bigger practice squads,

1964
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: you've got the veterans, you can carry on the practice

1965
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:12,719
Speaker 1: squads now as opposed to just you know, the players

1966
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: with less than two or crew years. So I think

1967
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: that's something that that certainly gms and coaches really like,

1968
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 1: I think other things. Obviously, you know, the league was

1969
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: already going to be drawing down the preseason schedule to

1970
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: three when they expand the regular season. But um, you know,

1971
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: as I talked to some people, they're like, you know,

1972
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: we all kind of thought the product would soffer without

1973
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,439
Speaker 1: preseason and guys hadn't even had joint practices or anything

1974
01:45:37,479 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 1: of that nature. But you know, then you get into

1975
01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:42,599
Speaker 1: the season in the NFL scores a record amount of points.

1976
01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: I don't I don't recall anyone ever really complaining about

1977
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,240
Speaker 1: sloppy play in December, and it's going to kind of

1978
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:51,160
Speaker 1: raise the question again, you know, as preseason really necessary

1979
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,680
Speaker 1: at all. I think it is maybe for one or

1980
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:55,360
Speaker 1: two games, just so you can see guys at the

1981
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: bottom of your roster that you want to see in

1982
01:45:56,800 --> 01:46:00,960
Speaker 1: game action. I'm not sure it's necessary for Allen Stefon

1983
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: Diggs or those guys, but that'll be a question. And

1984
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,880
Speaker 1: then and then just also, you know, how how are

1985
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: the off seasons and training camps can look moving forward?

1986
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 1: I mean, players loved visual off season as opposed to

1987
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 1: reporting to the facility every couple of weeks for a

1988
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 1: mini camp or OTAs or whatever. Um. And then I

1989
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: think they really like that acclamation period in training camp

1990
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: where where they got on site and you kind of

1991
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: had that week to get your body ready and you

1992
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,479
Speaker 1: weren't you know, immediately going into paths and hitting and

1993
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,679
Speaker 1: all that. So, um, there are a lot of things

1994
01:46:28,680 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 1: I think that you know, people would like to see

1995
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 1: carry over. I'm not sure that all of it will,

1996
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 1: just given the old school mentality in certain places, but

1997
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: something for for people to think about. And then the

1998
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: one thing too that I took away Tom Brady on

1999
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: this is just you know that there is something lost

2000
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 1: in all this. And you know him talking the other

2001
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: day about how he hadn't really met a lot of

2002
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: his defensive teammates in an appropriate way because they're all

2003
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, cordoned off in different meeting rooms.

2004
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,639
Speaker 1: They can't really, they can't eat in cafeteria together. Um so,

2005
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 1: so you are losing that spirit of being a team

2006
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:03,760
Speaker 1: in some ways. But you know, like you said, I

2007
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: think you have to give a legal lot of credit

2008
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: for forgetting every single game end. And certainly when you

2009
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:10,120
Speaker 1: look at the context of what's happening in the NBA

2010
01:47:10,240 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: right now, it seems like they're losing five games a night.

2011
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,559
Speaker 1: It has been quite an accomplishment on the NFL's part

2012
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,559
Speaker 1: to make this happen. And then the last one for me, Nate.

2013
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 1: Just with respect to the game on Sunday, obviously it's

2014
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: being hyped, as you know, a battle of different eras

2015
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: between Brady and Mahomes. But I want to flip it

2016
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 1: around on you here and look at the two defensive

2017
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 1: sides of the ball for these two teams, respectively. Because

2018
01:47:34,479 --> 01:47:37,639
Speaker 1: you have a coordinator in Spagnolo who's gotten the better

2019
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 1: of Brady and two Super Bowls when he was with

2020
01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 1: the Giants, and then you have a Bucks defense that's

2021
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: kind of coming in hot here in terms of force

2022
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:49,000
Speaker 1: and turnovers and the like. So do you have a

2023
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:51,720
Speaker 1: defense that you like better coming into this game, that

2024
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:54,600
Speaker 1: you think has a better chance of neutralizing one of

2025
01:47:54,600 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: those two aforementioned quarterbacks. Yeah, I would probably say I

2026
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:02,800
Speaker 1: like the Bucks defense a little better, but but I

2027
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: definitely like the matchup better. UM. And you look at

2028
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,600
Speaker 1: all the problems that they gave Aaron Rodgers in the

2029
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Nancy Championship game, and I want to say that they

2030
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:12,719
Speaker 1: ended up sacking him five times and certainly got got

2031
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 1: got pressure on him fairly frequently. And you know, when

2032
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:18,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about JPP and Shack Barrett, uh and then

2033
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: a Don mckinsue and Vitavea who's just off the broken

2034
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 1: angle up the middle. I mean, that's a lot of

2035
01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:25,920
Speaker 1: guys to deal with UM in the trenches. And when

2036
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: you look at it from the standpoint that the Chiefs

2037
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,879
Speaker 1: are going to be playing a pair of backup tackles UM,

2038
01:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, and a quarterback of Patrick Mahomes, who's who's

2039
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:37,439
Speaker 1: playing on a bad foot, I kind of id I

2040
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,960
Speaker 1: kind of think that maybe the matchup to watch Sunday

2041
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: is kind of how um the Buccaneers were able to

2042
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,640
Speaker 1: work the edges and end up the middle too and

2043
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 1: try to get to Patrick Mahomes. When when you're talking

2044
01:48:49,200 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 1: about two backup tackles that probably could use some some

2045
01:48:52,520 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 1: chips support on both from the backs and maybe does

2046
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:57,439
Speaker 1: that even you know, at some point require Travis Kelsey

2047
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:59,400
Speaker 1: to stay back a little bit and ship and not

2048
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 1: get into his out so quickly. So, um, I think

2049
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be. But that's where I'm gonna

2050
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,559
Speaker 1: be washing for sure, is to see how the Chiefs

2051
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 1: deal with that. And what about Brady going up against

2052
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Certainly Steve Spagnola will have a game plan

2053
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 1: worthy of Uh that guy, what do you how do

2054
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 1: you see that matchup going? Yeah, I mean that that

2055
01:49:19,720 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 1: should be fun, fun too. I mean these aren't the same,

2056
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,639
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't the Giants. For Steve Spagnola necessarily

2057
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 1: has that that NASCAR package. But I mean he does

2058
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:29,920
Speaker 1: have Frank Clark, he does have Chris Jones up the middle,

2059
01:49:29,960 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone always talks about getting Brady off

2060
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: his spot, and certainly Chris Jones is the kind of

2061
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:37,320
Speaker 1: guy that can get to a quarterback. Um, you know,

2062
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 1: from from the closest point being the interior to to

2063
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 1: the pocket. He's he's he's a probably the best penetrating

2064
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,280
Speaker 1: defensive tackle in the league not named Aaron Donald so

2065
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: sore there is that capacity. Tyrann Matthew is one of

2066
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: the best safeties um in the league. But you know,

2067
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm Tom Brady, I'm probably looking to

2068
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 1: get the ball out quick. I'm probably looking to avoid

2069
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 1: Matthew and pick on maybe some of these these weaker

2070
01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:04,080
Speaker 1: spots in the Chiefs defense. But like you said, I'm

2071
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: sure that in this game, thinking about Steve Spagnola and

2072
01:50:07,320 --> 01:50:09,920
Speaker 1: thinking about the fact that you know he's going to

2073
01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: be all about getting pressure on him. Um, so I

2074
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:15,720
Speaker 1: would be looking for Chris Godwin in the slant in

2075
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 1: the slot and Gronk and um you know, Minny Kevins

2076
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:20,120
Speaker 1: do is not you know a guy that you have

2077
01:50:20,200 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 1: to you know, I know, no risk and no biscuit.

2078
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 1: But I'm sure I'm sure that's going to be a

2079
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 1: discussion toom's gonna be having with Bruce Harrians, just like

2080
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how many late developing routes

2081
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna want here. I'm giving how this guy's dealt

2082
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 1: with me before the Super Bowl meeting meeting Spagnola, Nay,

2083
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. We appreciate and enjoy that game

2084
01:50:36,160 --> 01:50:39,559
Speaker 1: on Sunday. All right, thanks Nate, all right, pleasure same

2085
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,920
Speaker 1: to you guys. Thank you all right. Nate Davis, NFL

2086
01:50:42,000 --> 01:50:44,519
Speaker 1: writer for USA Today, joining us here in the third

2087
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 1: hour of the program. Steve and I will take a break,

2088
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:50,600
Speaker 1: but when we come back, we will jump into that

2089
01:50:50,640 --> 01:50:53,080
Speaker 1: OBL fan mail bag as we had been promising for

2090
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:54,720
Speaker 1: the better part of an hour. We have time to

2091
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: do it now, so we will answer your questions on

2092
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: the bills or anything can pertaining to the league. So

2093
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:04,679
Speaker 1: we'll get to those. These are left over from last Friday. Steve,

2094
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,520
Speaker 1: We've got to get this done here. Talk about procrastinations.

2095
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Steve and I have been living it up to the fullest.

2096
01:51:09,400 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 1: When it comes to the OBL fan mail bag, we

2097
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 1: will get to that next. Here on One Bills Live

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Final half

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Speaker 1: hour of the program. Here on a Monday, Chris Brown,

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Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you One Bills Live, and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: crack open the OBL Friday fan mailbag from last week.

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Speaker 1: Since we ran out of time. We had such a

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Speaker 1: jam pack show, we didn't get to your questions and

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Speaker 1: we kind of want to honor those and Rachel leads

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Speaker 1: us off with this question. It looks like our d

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Speaker 1: line is taking up a lot of cap space. Could

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Speaker 1: players like Vernon Butler and Quentin Jefferson be cut to

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Speaker 1: save cap space? They weren't horrible, but they didn't really

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Speaker 1: stand out, and I think we could get just as

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Speaker 1: much production from cheaper free agents or even rookies. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you this, you can take these analytics

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Speaker 1: for what they're worth. But Quentin Jefferson was a top

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Speaker 1: ten player in pass rush win rate this season in

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Speaker 1: the entire league. I know it didn't show up in

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Speaker 1: the sack totals, but in terms of QB pressures, QB hits,

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Speaker 1: and his pass rush win rate, he was very high

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Speaker 1: on the list. Vernon Butler had trouble I think finding

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Speaker 1: his footing early in the year. I think he came

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Speaker 1: on in the middle to late portion of the season

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Speaker 1: really helped kind of shore up their run defense a

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Speaker 1: little bit better, you know, from week twelve on. So

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Speaker 1: I think what you have to take into account here, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: is this, if you want to swap them out because

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Speaker 1: you think he can find upgrades, that's great, you do

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Speaker 1: have star coming back, But if you swap those out,

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Speaker 1: for other guys, there's no guarantee they're going to be better.

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Speaker 1: You have your hunches that they'll be better, but how

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Speaker 1: are they going to blend with the guys that you have?

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Speaker 1: So you ask you have to you have to ask

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Speaker 1: yourself the honest question. Are we good as we are?

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01:53:04,240 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 1: Getting Star back? That will help We won't have to

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Speaker 1: play Vernon Butler at the one technique all the time.

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Speaker 1: He can play maybe some more of the three. And

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Speaker 1: then maybe with Starr and Vernon Butler you look a

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01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: little bit more like you did with Starr and Jordan

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Speaker 1: Phillips because you have a guy of the same stature

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01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: in terms of height and weight with Butler in there

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Speaker 1: in the three, and so maybe that combination changes the

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01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: dynamic of what you have already. And then on obvious

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Speaker 1: passing down as you take Star off the field and

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Speaker 1: you put Q in there, Jefferson, and maybe you're better.

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Speaker 1: So how stars readdition to the lineup may enhance what

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Speaker 1: you already have. I think has to be considered before

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Speaker 1: you consider those two guys as cap cuts. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you feel different. Well, yeah, the guy that

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Speaker 1: you look at is Mario Addison, who's this year is

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Speaker 1: going to be a ten point one million dollar cap hit,

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Speaker 1: Quentin Jefferson will be eight million, Vernon Butler seven point eight.

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Speaker 1: None of them are cheap. Star lotulelea seven point six um.

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Speaker 1: So it goes down from there, and then the next

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Speaker 1: guy on that list from the defensive line standpoint is

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Speaker 1: at Oliver at five point three. So you know those

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Speaker 1: are the you're she's right, or she's right, or thee

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Speaker 1: Rachel is right. There is a lot of money tied

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Speaker 1: up in that defensive line, and you would like to

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Speaker 1: see a team that would be in the top five

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Speaker 1: in sacks with that kind of investment or top one

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Speaker 1: or two against the run with that kind of investment.

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Speaker 1: You've seen neither with this team. So I would imagine, um,

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Speaker 1: Starlotilelee is gonna help coming back to the to the lineup,

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Speaker 1: no question. But yeah, they're looking at that going something

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Speaker 1: is not right and not Rachel's right to point it out,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is I'm but I'm saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot of money to be spending for first

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Speaker 1: without getting any eye popping numbers at all. That's an

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Speaker 1: assessment they'll they'll have to make from Nick our run

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Speaker 1: game struggled this year, but I actually thought our pass

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Speaker 1: protection was great or the Chiefs game. How can lineman

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Speaker 1: be so good at pass pro but struggle with run

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Speaker 1: blocking and how do we fix that? This is this

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Speaker 1: is kind of of working together kind of thing. You

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Speaker 1: really have to I mean a lot of times. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean in pass protection you have to work together too.

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Speaker 1: You have to communicate your way through stunts and twists

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that and pass guys off. So there

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Speaker 1: has to be even more there, yea even more so

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Speaker 1: in pro. So you think there's even more teamwork involved

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Speaker 1: in passpro than in run blocking. Run blocking is more

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Speaker 1: about physical ability. You got to push guys out of

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Speaker 1: the way, and they don't seem to have that drive

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Speaker 1: blocking presence on their line in one, two or even

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Speaker 1: And also that we've said this before. Feliciano's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a big wide body dude. Mitch Morris is pretty athletic,

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Speaker 1: but and the other and Cody Ford when he was

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Speaker 1: in there or whatever, they just don't have I don't

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Speaker 1: know if they're not athletic enough to get out in

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Speaker 1: front of guys or get out and run room wide.

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Speaker 1: But that's what it is run blocking is about being

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Speaker 1: physical upfront. That's why you that's a trite saying that

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna run the ball, you gotta be more physical.

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Speaker 1: Pass blocking, you don't have to be more physical. You

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Speaker 1: gotta just wall them off technique, and you got and

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Speaker 1: if you work together, it's easier get a guy on

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Speaker 1: a guy, and and you know two guys, if you

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Speaker 1: get a minute where you got a minute, you can

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Speaker 1: help another guy. So it's about communication and getting a

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Speaker 1: feel for it. And plus in the league right now,

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Speaker 1: there's no question the Bills offensive linemen get a ton

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Speaker 1: more reps pass blocking than they did run blocking. There's

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Speaker 1: a reason for that. And there their own worst enemy

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Speaker 1: about not being able to run it, but I think

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. They're just you know, you've got

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Speaker 1: to physically lump people up in the run game and

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Speaker 1: pass pro. You need to communicate and be smart. Mitch

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Speaker 1: Morris is as smart as center as you can get,

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Speaker 1: Um Feliciano, those guys, Dion Dawkins, all of them. But

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Speaker 1: you gotta win up. You gotta push people around, and

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Speaker 1: and they didn't this last year in the run game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from Prince, could the Bills ever swoop in to help

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Speaker 1: keep Watson out of the AFC East. Maybe we work

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Speaker 1: at three team trade like the NBA does Watson to Denver,

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Speaker 1: von Miller to Buffalo, and then picks from Denver and

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Speaker 1: Buffalo to Houston. Better for Kansas City to play Watson

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Speaker 1: twice a year than us. Good point. I like the

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Speaker 1: three team trade idea. I just don't know if those

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Speaker 1: get orchestrated much at all in this league, but I

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Speaker 1: liked I admire the creativity that Prince is putting together there.

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Speaker 1: It would be just like the Corneys Bennett trade. Corns

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Speaker 1: Bennett first pick of the draft goes from Indianapolis to Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: Buffalo sends Greg Bell to the Rams. The ramsent Eric

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Speaker 1: Dickerson to Indianapolis, and the Bills also send some draft

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Speaker 1: and the Bills send a one to Indie, and the

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Speaker 1: Rams send draft picks to Indy two or no. And

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Speaker 1: the Bills, the Bills gave up two or three first rounders, right,

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Speaker 1: they gave one to each. I think, yeah, they gave

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Speaker 1: Indie one and Greg something like that. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: the Rams gave something else to the Indianapolis to or

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Speaker 1: the cultures something like that. I don't because Dickerson was

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01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:08,920
Speaker 1: a guy man. He was like a two thousand yard rusher.

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Speaker 1: He was. He was the centerpiece, right, So that was

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had no time in the league really

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Speaker 1: that much, right, none. He was the first time of

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Speaker 1: the draft, was holding out through week eight of his

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Speaker 1: rookie season and the draft two was eighty seven. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that I could see it. It's a smart way to

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Speaker 1: go if you can work it. Um and certain. Do

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Speaker 1: you think about von Miller to Buffalo in that deal?

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Speaker 1: You like that? Yeah? I could. I would sign off

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Speaker 1: with that with a little bit of enthusiasm, Yeah, I could.

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Speaker 1: I could mush up some some real enthusiasm for von

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Speaker 1: Miller coming to Buffalo on the other side of Jerry Hughes.

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Speaker 1: This would be so he was eleven draft second pick overall,

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01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 1: so this would be his tenth or eleventh season. So yeah,

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01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:51,120
Speaker 1: it didn't play all last year. Be interesting to see

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01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:52,920
Speaker 1: what he's got left in the tank. I don't know

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01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:55,640
Speaker 1: if you'd be willing to swing, but maybe to put

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Speaker 1: Watson in the AFC West, let him go battle Mahomes

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01:58:57,880 --> 01:59:03,800
Speaker 1: out there twice a year. That's better than being in

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Speaker 1: the AFC East. There's something to that. Yeah, from Pete.

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Speaker 1: Do you think guys like Josh Rosen will get another

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01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,280
Speaker 1: chance in the NFL, seeing you never got one and

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01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,080
Speaker 1: all the stuff that happened in his career, do you

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01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:19,080
Speaker 1: see him ever emerging. I don't see him emerging, only

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01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:23,879
Speaker 1: because there are there are other options that are perceived

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Speaker 1: as better out there right now, readily available. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about all this quarterback movement. Now. That doesn't

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01:59:30,920 --> 01:59:34,480
Speaker 1: mean that Josh Rosen won't get a job, but nobody

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01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 1: is going to invest all that heavily in an unproven

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01:59:38,240 --> 01:59:41,280
Speaker 1: commodity who's never done it at this level. He's been

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01:59:41,320 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: the victim of circumstance. I don't think there's any question

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01:59:43,720 --> 01:59:47,600
Speaker 1: about that. Whether it's the Arizona situation where you know,

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01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 1: he's a rookie starter behind an offensive line that was

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01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:54,680
Speaker 1: absolute hot garbage with a head coach that got fired

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01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:57,920
Speaker 1: four games into his rookie season, and then it was just,

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01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, try to tread try to tread water the

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Speaker 1: rest of his year, and then Miami trades him or

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Speaker 1: releases him, and now he's with Tampa as a third stringer. Um,

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Speaker 1: he just hasn't been able to find a home. He's

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Speaker 1: been a victim of circumstance. He's never had a true opportunity.

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Speaker 1: He played some games in Miami, but come on, what

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Speaker 1: are we doing? And it's not all It's not all

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Speaker 1: circumstance either. If no, if he was good enough to

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Speaker 1: rise above it or to he would never have gotten

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Speaker 1: cut from Miami. Um. I don't know whether you know

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Speaker 1: who knows, but I would say no, I'm I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: he has found his level and he's limited to being

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Speaker 1: a system quarterback. He cannot play in any It's interesting too,

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Speaker 1: because when he came out of UCLA, he was thought

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Speaker 1: of in the same draft as Josh Owen. He was

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Speaker 1: thought of the most pro ready because they ran a

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Speaker 1: pro style offense, deadly accurate, very accurate, ran the offense

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Speaker 1: extremely well. They did what he asked him to do, smart,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. It just did not translate. Didn't

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Speaker 1: have elite physical traits outside of being deadly accurate, didn't

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Speaker 1: have a monster arm, and he was on the small

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Speaker 1: side compared to some of the other guys like Darnold

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Speaker 1: and Rosen even you know, Lamar was taller and a

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Speaker 1: longer athlete than him Rum, so he didn't have that,

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Speaker 1: and there was a concern about him getting hurt if

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Speaker 1: he didn't have a good offensive line in front of him,

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Speaker 1: and he was running for his life his rookie year,

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Speaker 1: and that kind of proved to be true. Yeah, a

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02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 1: little bit of he'll be a backup. He got a Yeah,

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02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 1: he got off to a rough start of the rough organization,

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02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:30,000
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a victim of that. Went

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Speaker 1: to Miami, which was trying to get a real opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and I don't think he even got a real opportunity

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Speaker 1: in Miami. Nobody was tied their wagon to him and

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Speaker 1: really was invested in him, but he was beholden to him.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't anybody. So if he's gonna do it, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be that he's gonna get an opportunity because of injury,

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Speaker 1: because of injury or you know, he'll work his way

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Speaker 1: into a backup role somewhere. He'll get in, he'll show

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Speaker 1: something and that's his that's his window right there. But

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Speaker 1: he's gonna have to do it on the field to

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Speaker 1: get another opportunity. Next one here comes from Jamal who says,

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Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the Bills going after John

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Speaker 1: Ross this offseason? Go Bills? John Ross is the speed

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Speaker 1: demon that has the record for the forty time at

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Speaker 1: the NFL Combine, so he would certainly represent a speed increase.

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Speaker 1: He would help the speed quotient on this offensive roster.

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Speaker 1: His problem is staying healthy. He's slight framed, but he

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02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:33,880
Speaker 1: was having a breakout season in Cincinnati and then he

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Speaker 1: got injured. When aj Green was out of the lineup,

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Speaker 1: they looked at John Ross to be the lead dog

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Speaker 1: there in their passing game, and he was tearing it

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Speaker 1: up for about a month and then he got hurt.

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Speaker 1: And that's the problem. Availability has been his biggest issue.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Steve about him, not as a

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Speaker 1: number one, obviously, but as a supporting cast member in

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Speaker 1: an offense that is in need of extra speed on

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Speaker 1: the field. I don't know that he's got a skill

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Speaker 1: set of the kind we're talking about. He's not a

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill or anything like. No, no, but he is speed.

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Speaker 1: But he's he's got speed. Um, yeah, very much so. Um.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna take the lid off a defense in a hurry,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to They're gonna have to play

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Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage in order to keep the

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Speaker 1: lid on that defense. He's he strikes me and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you don't even know if he ran track,

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02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:23,520
Speaker 1: I imagine he did whatever. But the over general isa

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02:03:23,680 --> 02:03:26,160
Speaker 1: and over generalizing the way, you know, to make it

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Speaker 1: clear of what I'm trying to say, track guys, like

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Speaker 1: if John Ross was considered a track guy. Uh, first

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Speaker 1: of all, they got to feel one hundred percent before

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02:03:35,160 --> 02:03:38,360
Speaker 1: they can run one hundred percent because track guys don't

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02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:40,120
Speaker 1: have to go through contact that kind of thing in

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Speaker 1: their sport. And when they get to football they switch

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02:03:42,280 --> 02:03:45,920
Speaker 1: over from track to football. Having somebody banging on him

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Speaker 1: as they're trying to run really messes him up too.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna get hurt all the time, that's fine,

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02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:58,360
Speaker 1: But if you can't play hurt, there's a difference between

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Speaker 1: being hurt and being injured. And that's the If you

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02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:04,920
Speaker 1: can't play hurt, you can't play period, because you always hurt. Yeah,

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02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,640
Speaker 1: and if you're five eleven and you don't have five

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02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,640
Speaker 1: eleven one ninety four, which is big enough in six

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02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:13,680
Speaker 1: and four years where you could play in a maximum

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02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:16,440
Speaker 1: of sixty four career games, he's played in twenty seven.

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02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 1: That's not a good recipe. He's ninth player picked though.

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02:04:22,200 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he takes going to continue to get chances

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02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:27,040
Speaker 1: in this league because he can run as fast as

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02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:30,040
Speaker 1: he does and he showed flashes of production, so he

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02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:33,000
Speaker 1: will keep getting chances in this league. He won't cost

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02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:35,880
Speaker 1: a lot because of the avail lack of availability. But

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02:04:36,240 --> 02:04:39,400
Speaker 1: eventually people are gonna, you know, run out of patience

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02:04:39,400 --> 02:04:41,880
Speaker 1: with him because he can't stay on the field. Yeah,

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02:04:41,880 --> 02:04:43,520
Speaker 1: if he can't, and if you can get him for

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02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:47,000
Speaker 1: the right contract, sign him to a like a one

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02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:50,160
Speaker 1: year prove it deal or something like that, or get him,

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02:04:50,200 --> 02:04:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, on the cheap, he's well worth taking a

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02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:56,400
Speaker 1: shot at because of his abilities. But don't count on

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02:04:56,440 --> 02:04:59,960
Speaker 1: him to be much. You can't. You can't count on him.

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02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,120
Speaker 1: But even if he is a three or four, if

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Speaker 1: he's only playing six games, he's gonna help. He's gonna

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02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:08,120
Speaker 1: help your your one and your two. Yeah, because the

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02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:09,960
Speaker 1: safety is not going to be around. Safety is going

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02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:15,040
Speaker 1: to be down there. Yeah. So that's yeah, that's something

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Speaker 1: to think about. So, yes, I get it. Sure, I'd

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Speaker 1: love to take us, but I'm not spending any money

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Speaker 1: on him. Yeah. From Professor Casey had great success in

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02:05:23,680 --> 02:05:25,800
Speaker 1: part because they brought back a significant part of their

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Speaker 1: free agents. Which ones do you think are critical for

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02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:33,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo to resign? Now, obviously you would put Milana in

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02:05:33,880 --> 02:05:36,080
Speaker 1: that category, but I don't know how realistic it is.

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02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:38,600
Speaker 1: I think he's going to cost too much money. With

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02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:41,520
Speaker 1: the current cap situation being as restrictive as it is

2377
02:05:41,600 --> 02:05:44,520
Speaker 1: due to COVID and all the revenue losses in the league,

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02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:46,200
Speaker 1: the CAP's not going to be where it was projected

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02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:49,720
Speaker 1: to be, and I think Matt Milano and Buffalo continuing

2380
02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:52,000
Speaker 1: their relationship together is going to be a victim of that.

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02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:54,760
Speaker 1: I think in a normal cap year, they would have

2382
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:57,400
Speaker 1: tried to find a way to keep him in the fold.

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02:05:57,440 --> 02:05:59,600
Speaker 1: But I don't know about you, Steve, but with all

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02:05:59,600 --> 02:06:01,760
Speaker 1: the linemen that are free agents on this roster, that

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02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:03,640
Speaker 1: has to be the priority in terms of who you

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Speaker 1: want to keep. Now, I don't think they're keeping all

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02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 1: of them because you got Tie and Secki is a

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02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:11,520
Speaker 1: free agent, John Feliciano is a free agent, Brian Winners

2389
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:13,880
Speaker 1: is a free agent, and even Ike Butcker is a

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02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,640
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. So there's a lot of decisions that

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02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:18,680
Speaker 1: have to be made there. And they just signed Jordan Devi,

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02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: who was a free agent as well. But probably more

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02:06:21,800 --> 02:06:25,280
Speaker 1: for veteran backup depth thirty three year old that you

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02:06:25,320 --> 02:06:27,200
Speaker 1: know was on their practice squad. For those guys we

2395
02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 1: just mentioned, the four guys we mentioned, there's only seven

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Speaker 1: guys active on game day. Secki was active, allowed to

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Speaker 1: have eight under the new rules. But yes, I'm sorry,

2398
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:37,120
Speaker 1: but all four of those guys were active almost all

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Speaker 1: the time, and in SECI's the only one that didn't

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Speaker 1: see significant action all year. And Seki's probably not back.

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02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:43,360
Speaker 1: So it becomes a decision of who you can afford

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02:06:43,360 --> 02:06:45,280
Speaker 1: and how many you can afford to keep. Can you

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02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:49,800
Speaker 1: keep Feliciano and can you keep um, you know, Butcker

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02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,640
Speaker 1: on a one year deal? Probably so, Butcher's probably back.

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02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:56,400
Speaker 1: It gets tricky with Feliciano. Oh and we forgot Darryl Williams.

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02:06:56,800 --> 02:06:59,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you can keep both Williams and Feliciano.

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02:06:59,320 --> 02:07:02,400
Speaker 1: So who you keep who you're not keeping? Tough decisions

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02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:04,400
Speaker 1: to make there, and that's why Brandon Bean used those

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Speaker 1: exact words. There's gonna be tough decisions for this roster

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Speaker 1: this offseason. Back in a moment to wrap things up

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Speaker 1: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collott of Health,

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Speaker 1: it's Buffalo Bills Radio time for what have we learned?

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Speaker 1: company of the Buffalo Bills. I think with respect it

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02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:41,120
Speaker 1: as Gosh Goff Stafford Trade Steve. We did learn today

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02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:45,080
Speaker 1: that it's who won. It is kind of in the

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02:07:45,160 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 1: eye of the beholder. I guess if you're looking at

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Speaker 1: the here and now, the Rams clearly won this thing.

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Speaker 1: If you trust that the new front office of the

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Speaker 1: Lions can actually do something with the draft choices they

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Speaker 1: got in return, yeah, I guess down the line, you

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02:08:02,520 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 1: can hope that the Lions finally get it right. It's

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Speaker 1: unsatisfied team for that. It's unsatisfying because for the Lions

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Speaker 1: to win it, none of us will know for five years,

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02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,120
Speaker 1: four years. They got to nail the first round picks.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to know, and only if their team

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Speaker 1: ends up being better in three or four years, then

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Speaker 1: the Rams are going to be this year and maybe

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Speaker 1: next year and the next year after. Right. So that's

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02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:31,320
Speaker 1: that's basically how you have to stack it up. If

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02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:33,560
Speaker 1: you got not see if the Rams win, they win today,

2432
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:36,640
Speaker 1: but it could be the Detroit Lions win in three

2433
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:38,480
Speaker 1: or four years from now, but it'll we have to

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02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:40,400
Speaker 1: wait and see. Yeah. Last one from the mail bag

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02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:42,280
Speaker 1: from Eric. Could the bill signed Josh to a mega

2436
02:08:42,320 --> 02:08:44,240
Speaker 1: deal and create cap space for the next two years

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02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:47,360
Speaker 1: like Casey did with Mahomes last year. Yes, it's possible.

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02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:49,600
Speaker 1: Brandon Mean said as much that they'd like to get

2439
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:52,720
Speaker 1: him signed, and they think it's possible to put it

2440
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:57,000
Speaker 1: under this year's restrictive cap by being creative. So hopefully

2441
02:08:57,000 --> 02:08:58,760
Speaker 1: they can do that. And if they can create cap

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02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:01,360
Speaker 1: space and they got two seasons to do it, we've

2443
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:02,880
Speaker 1: got two seasons to do it. So there's no hurry,

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02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:04,760
Speaker 1: no hurry, get it right, but it could be done.

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02:09:05,320 --> 02:09:07,040
Speaker 1: All right. That's it for Steve and I here on

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Speaker 1: a Monday. We're back tomorrow on a Tuesday. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you then,