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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a hard working family man,

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Speaker 1: a security guard at Family Dollar gunned down simply because

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Speaker 1: the store. In the Last Days, a break in the case.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM

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Speaker 1: one eleven. In the Last Days, three family members are

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Speaker 1: sentenced to life behind bars and the shooting death of

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Speaker 1: a Family Dollar security guard over what a face mask spat.

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Speaker 1: Let's kick it off with our friends at Fox to Detroit.

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Speaker 2: His family says the lovable father of six child and

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Speaker 2: Big Nay.

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Speaker 3: Focus on anything twenty four seven with his mom, his.

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Speaker 2: Kids, and his wife Mundarlin, even getting the nickname super

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Speaker 2: Duper from his mother because he was always helping others.

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Speaker 4: Ada was ripping, run and try to help everybody as

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Speaker 4: better he put everybody before him.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm hearing our friend Erica Erickson at Fox

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Speaker 1: two describing Calvin Munterlin, just forty three years old, the

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Speaker 1: father of nine. All the guy did, according to family

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Speaker 1: with his family I have listened to what so many

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Speaker 1: people have to say about Calvin aka Superjeeper. They said,

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Speaker 1: no matter where he was, he had one or more

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Speaker 1: of the nine children with him. With me, it's an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to break you down and put it

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Speaker 1: back together again. I just I just don't get why

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Speaker 1: Dollar with me. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. You

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Speaker 1: can find her at NC Domestic Law. Knows her way

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Speaker 1: around the courtroom. Psychoanalyst to the stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 1: joining me from LA on Insta. Doctor Bethany Marshall. Cloyd

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Speaker 1: Steiger thirty six years SEATTLEPD twenty two homicide author of

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Speaker 1: Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary gen Grant at Cloydsteiger dot com,

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, joining

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Speaker 1: us right now to the lead news anchor or Orlando

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Speaker 1: Wdbo Ray Capudo, Ray, I just don't get how a

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Speaker 1: guy like Calvin Munterlin ends up dead. Hey, Ray, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox two.

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Speaker 5: It's just no excuse for somebody to take this kind

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Speaker 2: Shot in the head, killed apparently for telling someone to

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Speaker 1: This was totally uncalled for.

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Speaker 4: He didn't bother a soul.

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Speaker 2: The family of forty three year old Kelvin Munerlind, known

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Speaker 2: lovingly as super Duper, says he'd been working at this

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Speaker 5: It's so devastating.

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Speaker 3: Lost his life, by trying to say through Flint.

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Speaker 2: Police in the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office say, Friday afternoon,

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Speaker 2: forty five year old Charmel Tigue came into the store,

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Speaker 2: Munterarlin ordering her to put a mask on. Police Atigue

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Speaker 1: You know. Back to you, Ray Caputo, lead news anchor

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Speaker 1: or Landay Morning News WDBO. Ray, explain to me, how

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Speaker 6: Calvin was working at a dollar, a family dollar, a

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Speaker 6: dollar general store. Here's a hard working guy doing his

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Speaker 6: job at A couple of people come in Charmel Peague

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Speaker 6: and our little girl, and Charmel is wearing a face

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Speaker 6: his job. Calvin comes up to Charmelo and says, you know,

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Speaker 1: I want to go out to doctor Bethany Marshall. Everybody

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Speaker 1: in that jurisdiction. This is just a little north of

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Speaker 1: Not all businesses have been opened, but the ones that

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Speaker 1: do I have to have a fight about a face mask, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: There is so much rage that's being projected into the

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Speaker 8: You know, we are all used to.

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Speaker 7: Protecting ourselves, going to the doctor for every little ache

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Speaker 1: Guys, we're talking about the death, the shooting death of

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Speaker 1: a forty three year old, a guy doing his job,

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Speaker 1: devoted to his family. What did you just say about

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Speaker 1: wage inequality? Because when I go in, for instance, Costco,

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Speaker 1: they don't care who I am. I gotta wear a mask.

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Speaker 1: So what are you saying, doctor Bethany about wearing a

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Speaker 1: mask has something to do with wage inequality? And that

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Speaker 8: Well, rage can get projected into an object or a symbol.

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Speaker 9: Way have to do with she felt that fault. Okay,

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Speaker 9: Scharmel felt that following the rules was putting her out,

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Speaker 9: was insulting her, was taking away her civil liberty.

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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with wage? Can you

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Speaker 1: just go ahead admit had nothing to do with wage.

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Speaker 8: It had nothing to do with wage.

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Speaker 9: You're right, you're the prosecutor I'm on.

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Speaker 1: The heady if it does tell me, because I want to.

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Speaker 9: Understand, I can't do it, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: If it does have to do with wage inequality, which

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Speaker 1: I recognize. You know, I remember we're king three way

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Speaker 1: at one point four jobs as a district when I

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Speaker 1: was an assistant district attorney just to make my house

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Speaker 1: just want you to tell me in one sentence what

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Speaker 1: wage inequality has to do with face masks.

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Speaker 8: I believe that people who have intergenerational wage inequality are

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Speaker 8: prone to being more angry and more anti authority, and

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Speaker 8: they took it out on this poor security guards.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I hear what you're saying, and what I'm selecting,

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Speaker 1: cherry picking out of what you've been saying, is that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of rage right now in general because

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Speaker 1: of COVID lockdown, and face masks have turned into a

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Speaker 1: symbol of that rage that I'm getting and that I

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Speaker 1: it's some disrespecting people to ask them to wear a

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Speaker 1: tiki massala. I have to wear a face mask, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So I don't even think about why, who where? Why?

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Speaker 10: When I know what I want, I know what I

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Three family members charged with

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Speaker 1: murder and the shooting death of a family daughter security

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Speaker 1: That security guard Calvin manirlan shop after asking a customer

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Speaker 1: the spread of COVID. Well, these three, Charmel Tigue, Larry Tig,

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Speaker 1: three convicted on murder and felony firearms charges. How did

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Speaker 1: the whole incident unfold? I still don't get why he's

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Speaker 1: to our Dave Matt from Crimealline dot com.

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Speaker 11: Forty three year old Calvin Mundlin is working as a

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Speaker 11: security guard for the family Dollar in Flint, Michigan, when

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Speaker 11: The forty five year old mother is where a mask,

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Speaker 1: So explain to me back to you, Ray Caputo, lead

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Speaker 1: news anchor Orlando WDBO. So he super Deeper asks the mom,

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Speaker 1: Sharmel t put a mask on your daughter. The mom

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Speaker 1: throws a fit, and I'm sure this is all on

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Speaker 1: you never know which. I'll circle back with you, Joe Scott,

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Speaker 1: because you look around, you think you see cameras, half

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Speaker 1: I left something out. He tells her, put a mask

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Speaker 6: But that's the facts, Nancy, including what you just mentioned

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Speaker 6: Well, you know what, she was denied service there. She

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Speaker 1: Who's this guy to did you just say he's just

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Speaker 1: My father was a blue collar worker as a freight

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Speaker 1: and I think you're right. Rakipudo. I think she thought,

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Speaker 1: I'm not letting some security guard at family daughter tell

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Speaker 1: it's all mashed up and what Dr Bethanie was saying.

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Speaker 1: thirty six years SEATTLEPD twenty two years of that in homicide, Cloyd,

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Speaker 1: how many times has I mean a triple homicide? I'm

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Speaker 1: Crazy things, everything goes hey wire over something as small

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Speaker 1: You know, I hadn't thought of it like that, a

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Speaker 13: After an argument and to broke out between Munderlin and

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Speaker 1: Okay, and this is not about race, because the victim

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, they took off. They

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Speaker 14: To day thing? And Nancy, I'm happy to say that

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Speaker 1: And I'll start a when Munderling got into an argument

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Speaker 15: A Family Dollar store in Flint, Michigan, became a murder

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Speaker 5: The daughter did not have a mask. Charmel did have

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Speaker 1: You know there, you go right there. A lot of

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Speaker 1: in North Carolina cooling off period, give it to me

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Speaker 1: in a nutshell, Kathleen.

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Speaker 14: If there's even one moment in time where they had

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Speaker 1: No on the charge butt murder in the first degree. Well,

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Speaker 5: Authorities entered the building, called into the unit in which

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Speaker 1: Back to Rakipedo, Lee Ne's anchor Orlando Morning News WDBO Ray, So,

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Speaker 1: how many people are helping these the perps cover up their.

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Speaker 6: Crimes when Nancy. Six people are now charged with this murder,

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Speaker 6: this situation that's spun out of control. Six people are

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Speaker 1: Break it down. Hold on charmil t is the mom

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Speaker 6: Who else do we have Well, we got Larry t

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Speaker 1: Four year old husband, Larry Tig. Then we've got.

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Speaker 6: Romanye Bishop and he's the shooter, the stepson of Larry

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Speaker 1: Son, twenty three year old Romanye Bishop. Those are the

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Speaker 6: Then we have another family member, Nancy. We have Bria Bishop.

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Speaker 1: You're not kidding. They were on the lamb eluding police

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Speaker 12: Oh, it is important, Nancy, And you've already made very

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Speaker 1: Right on with that. That's so right. Did they came back.

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Speaker 7: You know, Nancy, you're a mother. Think of the many

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Speaker 7: hours you spend processing Lucy and John David's experiences processing

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Speaker 7: and processing and processing. Imagine if you raise them and

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Speaker 7: you never processed one single thing. They could just slop

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Speaker 7: food out of the refrigerator, they could hit each other,

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Speaker 7: they could you know, spit on kids at school, and

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Speaker 7: then that was celebrated like that's a great way to

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Speaker 7: behave in the world.

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Speaker 8: Some families do.

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Speaker 7: Operate like this. It's surprising, but they really do.

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Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of all the things, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you know this is going to give the twins years

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Speaker 1: and years of psychoanalyst and analysis. But I'm forever saying, Lucy,

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Speaker 1: stand up straight, do not slouch, John David, we do

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Speaker 1: not need to see the food in your mouth while

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Speaker 1: you chewing. Just I know that one that they're going

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Speaker 1: to go, oh my mother, blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, it's worth it if they stand

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Speaker 1: up straight and don't you with your mouth open. I'll

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Speaker 1: take the abuse. But I'm listening to what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: And now the daughter of this this mom has seen

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Speaker 1: the mom spit on a security guard. And there's no

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Speaker 1: telling how all these children have been raised. Time Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, three family members

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Speaker 1: convicted and sentenced to life behind bars for gunning down

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Speaker 1: a real family man, a security guard at the Family

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Speaker 1: Dollar store. Calvin Manland worked so hard to provide for

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Speaker 1: his family. Security guard at Family Dollar in Flint. His

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Speaker 1: job was to keep customer safe. Munlin, a father of nine,

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Speaker 1: gun down after turning a customer away for trying to

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Speaker 1: enter the store without a mask, a father of nine.

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Speaker 1: We now know security footage reveals Tigue Sharmel Tigue began

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Speaker 1: to yell and spit at Merlin, who asked her to

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Speaker 1: leave the store. The brutal murder of a guy just

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Speaker 1: trying to do his job and raise his children. And

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Speaker 1: there is no value that you can place on a

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Speaker 1: father's presence. A good dad in your life. A good

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Speaker 1: dad means the world. And I'm kind of choking up

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Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about all the sacrifices my mom and

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Speaker 1: dad made for us, an example they gave us. And

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Speaker 1: you know, some mornings when I don't want to get

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Speaker 1: up at five o'clock and start working, I think about

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Speaker 1: my dad and my mom doing it all those years,

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Speaker 1: never complained. Take a listen, Joe Scott Morgan, I want

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Speaker 1: you to hear ABC twelve News reporter and puret.

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Speaker 5: You know I've said this before. Senseless and tragic and

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Speaker 5: there's just no explanation for.

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Speaker 3: May first, forty four year old Larry Tigue and his stepson,

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Speaker 3: twenty three year old remind Ye Bishop, are accused of

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Speaker 3: gunning down this family dollar security guard, Calvin Duper Muntererlin.

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Speaker 1: They took off to avoid.

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Speaker 3: Getting caught, but the Genesee County Prosecutor says they actually

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Speaker 3: walked from the scene.

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Speaker 5: He didn't run at all, which is one of the

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Speaker 5: reasons we think he knew that Bishop was going to

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Speaker 5: shoot Monitlin. Because after the shooting. The normal reaction if

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Speaker 5: you didn't know that was going to happen, would be

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Speaker 5: to ron.

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Speaker 3: From there, David Layton says they went to Bishop's sister's

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Speaker 3: Flint home, Bria. Bishop is facing three felonies accused of

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Speaker 3: helping the two escape. How long the two were there,

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Speaker 3: where they went next, and when they split up isn't clear.

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Speaker 1: You know, just the senselessness of this. But back to you,

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensis Jacksonville State University and author

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Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, the

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Speaker 1: fact that they just walked away just I can't wait

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Speaker 1: for a jury to see that, assuming it was caught

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Speaker 1: on video. So what do we need to process this scene,

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Speaker 1: process mister Mullin's body in order to prove help me

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Speaker 1: prove the murder case here.

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Speaker 12: Well, it's a dynamic environment. You got people that are

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Speaker 12: screaming at one another, carrying on. I think that I

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Speaker 12: like to refer to Charmel as Queen Charmel because she

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Speaker 12: went home and told these guys come with me, and

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Speaker 12: then she cut them loose on this guy after she'd

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Speaker 12: spit on him, like he was some kind of less

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Speaker 12: than human person. And when that happened, you have the

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Speaker 12: father potentially and I'm just spitballing here, but you've got

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Speaker 12: the father distracting in an argument. He's up in the

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Speaker 12: security guard's face, and then the son, the gutless person

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Speaker 12: that he is, rolls around to the rear of him,

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Speaker 12: takes out a firearm and shoots this man in the

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Speaker 12: back of the head. Nancy, all right, Now, what we

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Speaker 12: need to know. Did they force him on the ground

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Speaker 12: and then shoot him from an upward angle so that

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Speaker 12: it's going down you know, imagine a classic from an

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Speaker 12: old movie where people are being executed, the individual being

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Speaker 12: shot downward like this, or did he just simply walk

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Speaker 12: behind him and discharge the weapon. Now, the other piece

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Speaker 12: to this is at what range did he do this?

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Speaker 12: Was he across the store? Because if he's across the store,

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Speaker 12: there's not going to be any soot deposit on the

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Speaker 12: back of this man's head. My suspicion is this occurred

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Speaker 12: in close quarters, within probably eighteen inches of this poor

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Speaker 12: man's head, the back of his head where he doesn't

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Speaker 12: have eyes, in the back of his head as he's

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Speaker 12: being attacked by this gutlass coward he's being shot directly

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Speaker 12: into the back of the head. You're going to have

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Speaker 12: a storm of these little particles that are going to

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Speaker 12: be around this wound, and depended upon how far apart

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Speaker 12: the particles are, that'll give us an indication as to

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Speaker 12: the range of fire. The further way you are, the

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Speaker 12: wider the spread. Okay, we're not just talking about the

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Speaker 12: bullet hole. We're actually talking about soot deposition on the

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Speaker 12: back of the head, and that's going to be the

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Speaker 12: tail of tape. You combine that with the CCTV images

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Speaker 12: that we hope are there, and it's going to be dramatic.

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Speaker 12: I think that this will be a slim dunkin core.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I thought that about OJ Simpson tape. But when you're talking,

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Speaker 1: when you're referring to soot deposition, I think or I've

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Speaker 1: told jury's in the past to think, I don't use

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Speaker 1: hair spray as an example, because there's so many different

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Speaker 1: kinds of hair spray. There's aerosol, there's pump. I use

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Speaker 1: lysol because men and women. I hope my jury can

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Speaker 1: have heard of lysol or sprayed it before, and so deposition.

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Speaker 1: As Joseph Scott Morgan was correctly explaining the further away

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Speaker 1: you are from the lysol, you spray it. If you're

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Speaker 1: that close, you get a dead on burst of lysol.

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Speaker 1: The further away you get, you get a spray. Same

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Speaker 1: way with a bullet. The closer you are to your target,

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Speaker 1: the more concentrated the gunshot residue will be. The further

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Speaker 1: you are away from it, the more diffused it will be. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you this much. They go back in.

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Speaker 1: They say that Charmel Tig, forty five year old, as

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott calls her, Queen Charmel, has been disrespected. Well,

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Speaker 1: they didn't make it hard. It took a minute to

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Speaker 1: track him down. But take a listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: An Pierrette at ABC twelve.

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Speaker 3: The prosecutor says Flint police received a tip from an

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Speaker 3: old friend of Bishop's and that led them here.

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Speaker 5: He was taking into custady without any incident whatsoever, without

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Speaker 5: anybody getting hurt.

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Speaker 3: The alleged murder weapon of forty caliber handgun hasn't been

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Speaker 3: found yet. Layton says Bishop has about a dozen weapons

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Speaker 3: registered to him, but didn't have any on him. His stepdad, Teague,

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Speaker 3: was arrested the day before Thursday, May seventh, shortly after

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Speaker 3: Laura Mitchell and Terence Finley were caught. The pair's relationship

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Speaker 3: to each other and to Tigue isn't known, but Layton

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Speaker 3: says they rented a car to get Teague to Houston,

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Speaker 3: bought him close and rented him a room, but he

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Speaker 3: checked in under his own name, making it that much

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Speaker 3: easier for the US Marshals to find him. But how

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Speaker 3: were they led to Texas in the first place.

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Speaker 5: Climt Pde some of their really good detectives were able to,

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Speaker 5: with their ear to the ground, come up with information

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Speaker 5: indicating that Finley and Mitchell had taken a tea to Houston.

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Speaker 1: Nobody said he was a rocket signed he checks in

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Speaker 1: under his own name. Jackie, you're trying to say anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the stepdad. I'm the dad.

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Speaker 5: What the dad that stepped up?

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm looking at a picture of Calvin mundaland he's

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Speaker 1: got nine children and he's like this proud. He's got

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Speaker 1: a T shirt that says I'm not the step dad,

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Speaker 1: I'm the dad that stepped up. I'm so mad. I

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Speaker 1: at you a nail in half, and I know it's

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Speaker 1: not going to make anything any better. We cannot bring

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Speaker 1: Calvin Mundland back, but we can make sure that this group,

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Speaker 1: this family group, that enabled the shooting, that agitated the shooting,

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Speaker 1: that covered up the sh shooting, that aided and abedded

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Speaker 1: the escape of fleeing felons, are brought to justice. These

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Speaker 1: nine children and this wife need to know somebody cared.

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Speaker 6: I completely agree with Nancy, but I don't believe, and

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Speaker 6: maybe correct me if I'm wrong, that Michigan has the

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Speaker 6: Dutch time.

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Speaker 1: Nat. You can shoot as many people as you want

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Speaker 1: there and still get the same sentence to the three people,

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Speaker 1: to the three purpse that murdered this father of nine.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy l Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friends,