1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Woke AF with me Danielle Moody. While I 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: wanted to start the year with a fresh perspective, things 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: don't always go as planned. The incitement of literal riots 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: at the US Capitol has shaken this country to its core, 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: and this week I've been doing my best to balance 6 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: wellness and wokeness both in my life and on my podcast. 7 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: I want to share some nuggets for my conversations this 8 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: week with my friends Ellie Mistel, Justice correspondent for the 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: Nation and Anita Copatch, author and spiritual psychologists, which you 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: can hear right now and full at patreon dot com 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: slash woke AF. Later on you'll hear Anita talk about 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: how wellness and wokeness actually go hand in hand and 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: how you need one to feed the other. But first, 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: my dear friend Ellie joined me on Thursday show to 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: discuss how we as a nation cannot and will not 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: get well until we get woke and take action against 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: these seditious dissidents who incited a white supremacist riot in 18 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: our nation's capital. Take a listen. So I want to 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: start at the very very top, where you say, look 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: at all these calls for unity, right that you knew 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: we're coming, that I knew we're coming, That basically every 22 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: mildly conscious black person knew would be happening. This is 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: what they always do, right. The white people at the 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: Constitutional Convention want unity and comedy with the slavers and 25 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: colonists who were raping and holding our brothers and sisters 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: in bondage right after the first unity call after the 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: Civil War, Abraham Lincoln, great emancipator, out here with charity 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: for all and malice are well, fuck that, I want 29 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: some malice for these insurrectionists who just started a five 30 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: year civil war. But no, no no, no, we have to 31 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: have unity with our Southern brothers and sisters. Right. It 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: happens all the time that every time white people get 33 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: crazy and violent, the white people who weren't crazy and 34 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: violent want to embrace and how and understand and a 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: commission studies about the grievances of their brothers. Right. They 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: never want to hold them accountable, which is why they 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: are always permissive of white supremacy, white anger, and white violence. 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: What could we do, Corey Bush? Absolutely, legally, it's relatively 39 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: easy to expel a member of Congress. You make a rule, 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: and then you vote on it, and if more people 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: vote on it than not, that member is expelled. It's 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: actually not that hard if you have an underlying crime, right, 43 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: like it's it would be hard to just say, like 44 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: I don't want Ted Cruz to be in Congress because 45 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: he's an asshole, Like that's that's not enough, but a 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: seditious asshole. Well, well now you tell me more, tell 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: me right, maybe we can do something about that. So yeah, 48 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: the spelling members of Congress is not often used, but 49 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: it's not particularly hard to do if you have enough 50 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: congress people willing to do it. The Congress sets their 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: own rules. Congresses like a club. They set their own 52 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: rules of entry at some kind of basic level. But 53 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: I think more than that, and really even more than 54 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: going after Ted Cruise and Josh Alvey, who absolutely should 55 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: be expelled, the very first level of accountability has to 56 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: start with the people who a rioted and you know, 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: attack the capital, right and all that, many of whom 58 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: have not yet been found or arrested. It has to 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: start there, and it has to start with the people 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: who directly incite it the riot on the day of 61 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: the riot. I am here for discussion theoretically of how 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: Ted Cruise is adoption of the election fraud lie Like, 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm here for that discussion. But first we have to 64 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: get Don Junior, who sat there for five minutes telling 65 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: these crazy people go fight for Trump, Go fight for Trump. 66 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: First we have to get Moe Brooks, who sat there 67 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: for fifteen minutes and told his people this is the 68 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: day we start taking names and kicking ass. First we 69 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: have to get Rudy Giuliani, who ordered them to have 70 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: a trial by combat. And first we have to get 71 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the president, who spent two hours whipping these 72 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: people up in a frenzy and telling them to march 73 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: on the Capitol and find his vice president and quote 74 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: make him do the right thing. All right, these people 75 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: got to go now, all right, way before we get 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: to Holly and Cruise and you know, Matt Gates, all 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: of whom are dicks who should have some kind of 78 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: accountlatily brought to them. But before we get to that, 79 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: we have to legally hold accountable and punish the people 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: who directly inside it the violence they would do it 81 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: to black people. I wrote in the Nation, I took 82 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: people back to two and seventeen during a protest for 83 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: Alton Sterling, Louisiana man who was just shot to death 84 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: by the coll when he was in a prone position. 85 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter organizers like Deray McKesson and Brittany pack 86 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: At Cunningham were arrested after one of these protests because 87 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: one guy, one guy who was not them, who did 88 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: not know them, through a brick at a cop. Ye, 89 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: all right, he hurt his foot or something through a 90 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: brick at a cop, and they arrested the organizers for 91 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: inciting the violence. Even though Deray and Brittany are not 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: out here saying let's throw bricks at cops. Fight the 93 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: cops throw bricks at them. They're not saying that, but 94 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: they got arrested anyway. They were eventually released. The injured 95 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: cop actually sued Deray for his injuries and Deray had 96 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: to fight him all the way to the spring court. 97 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: All right. So that's what they do to black people. 98 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: If you do that to black organizers of protests, the 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: very least we can do is arrest Don Junior, Moe Brooks, 100 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani Trump once he's out of office and no 101 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: longer protected by the Office of the Presidency, and arrest 102 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: these people for inciting a riot. That is the first 103 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: level of accountability. If we don't have that, at least 104 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: we don't only have anything. Let me ask you this though, Ellie, 105 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: because it turned out right that the Department of Justice, 106 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: which is still currently under the Trump regime, has decided 107 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: that they are not going to prosecute anyone for incitement, right, 108 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: meaning any of the folks that were at this bullshit 109 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Save America rally. However, DC Attorney General right an office 110 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: is actually looking into this. We know that we have 111 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: but a handful of days left until Merrick Garland is 112 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: the new Attorney General of the United States. Talk to 113 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: us about the kind of pressure that is going to 114 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: be necessary to get done exactly what it is that 115 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: you just said. These people didn't find themselves on the 116 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: steps of the Capitol inside the Capitol Building on their own. 117 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: They were fucking led there. They were led there by 118 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They were led there by Rudy Giuliani. They 119 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: were led there by Don Trump Junior. They were led 120 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: there by Matt Gates. They were led there by these people. Right, 121 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: you can't lay out, right, all of this tender, all 122 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: of this gasoline, give everybody a match and then walk away, 123 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: and you have no responsibility for the fucking fire that 124 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: was set. So what pressure needs to happen in order 125 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: to get these things done, so that these people a 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: year from now, five years from now, ten years from 127 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: now know that, oh, actually my words do matter, that 128 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: we're not just supposed to shrug it off. Well, here's 129 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: my worry with the Biden administration. Right from from where 130 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: I said, Barack Obama's biggest mistake was in the transition 131 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: after he was elected, before he was inaugurated, when he 132 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: went on this Week with George Stephanopolus, I believe and 133 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: said that he wasn't going to be focused on prosecuting 134 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: Dicky and people in the Bush administration for war crimes 135 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: and torture because it was important to move forward and 136 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: not look backward. That was Barack Obama in two thousand 137 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: and eight, two thousand and nine, and I believe that 138 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: was rock. I believe that was permissive of attacks on 139 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: our very character and permissive of criminals. And I believe 140 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: that other Republicans understood that, took note of that and 141 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: realize that they can do whatever they want while cloth 142 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: and power, because the Democrats will never have the stones 143 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: basically ye to go back and find them when the 144 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: wheel turns around and the Democrats were empowered. Note that 145 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: this is not how the Republicans played right. Had Hillary 146 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: Clinton won, it would have been four straight years of 147 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: Manghazi hearings. By the way, more people die than the 148 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: Capitol attack than at Benghazi. If Barack Obama had prosecuted 149 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: his presidency like Donald Trump has, Barrock Imbaba will be 150 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: in jail right now. Publicans never just move forward and 151 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: move on and don't worry about the past. They always 152 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: go back and settle their scores like a mom or something. Right, 153 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: Joe Biden needs to prosecute these people. Yes, we cannot 154 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: move forward until there is accountability. We cannot heal until 155 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 1: the bleeding wound is staunched. I don't think that he 156 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: understands that. His pick of Merrick Garland suggests that he 157 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: doesn't understand that it's just incredibly rare to get white people, 158 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: especially even white liberals, to take action against white racist 159 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: It's just not something they're kind of. It's just not 160 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: something they ever seem to want to do. We cannot 161 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: move forward unless there is accountability, folks. I've been saying 162 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: that for weeks now, But do you know what we 163 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: also need to move forward rest. I said this on 164 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: Friday's show, which you can here right now on patreon 165 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: dot com. Slash Woke af that rest is part of 166 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the revolution. We cannot tire ourselves out before we even 167 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: get to the starting line. I was so happy to 168 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: be joined on this Friday show by my friend Anita Copatch, 169 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: who talked about her work as a spiritual psychologist. Hear 170 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: her thoughts on how using techniques of mindfulness and spirituality 171 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 1: can bring wokeness into our everyday lives. How do you 172 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: work with people who feel in this moment stuck, right, 173 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: They do feel stuck, and they don't feel rooted, they 174 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: feel weighed down. How do we help those into the 175 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: space of being in flow, even if that flow feels 176 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: like a tempest at times? Yeah, yeah, that's very true. 177 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: So most of the people that I work with, I know, 178 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: we haven't brought it up, but most of the people 179 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: that I've worked with have experienced sexual trauma. And the 180 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: way that I work with that because a lot of 181 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 1: times they will feel stuck or they won't know what 182 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: it is, and so I don't push them to say 183 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: so much, but I create a space for them to 184 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: figure that out. Right, because when we find out what 185 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: it is that's holding us back, rather than someone telling 186 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: us what it is, it's a much more profound effect 187 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: on their healing and how they move forward because once 188 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: we realize we are our own healers, that we don't 189 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: say like, oh, I need her in order for me 190 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: to move to this next level. And so what I 191 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: do is, if they're feeling stuck, I ask those small 192 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: questions like how are you feeling? You know, what is 193 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: giving you anxiety? What are you sad about? What are 194 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: you excited about? And it's such simple things. But as 195 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: they begin to talk and say it, they come to 196 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: these realizations within this space right And it's interesting because 197 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: most of the people within my communities right now are 198 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: feeling very motivated, which is interesting because I don't feel 199 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: it all the time rightly. I'm like, let me just 200 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: sit in this bed right now. Oh my gosh. So 201 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: I've been getting much of my inspiration from seeing the 202 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: people around me, Like it's so important to connect with 203 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: your community during this time, especially if you're feeling stuck. 204 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: Have an accountability of partner, have someone who can check 205 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: in with you, or you can check in with each 206 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: week at least because there are some people who are 207 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: out there feeling very alone during these times, and though 208 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: creating these spaces where you're in community, right because as 209 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: we see the mirrors around us, we're able to see 210 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: who we are even more clearly because you know, underneath 211 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: it all, we all are all one. But there's so 212 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: many different levels of healing in order for us to 213 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: even get to that. You can't ask someone to buy pass, 214 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: you know, their pain of what they're feeling from their 215 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: experience of being black in America, right, Oh no, but 216 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,199 Speaker 1: we're no, I'm not going to get there until I 217 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: heal all of these things, these ancestral things, like for instance, 218 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: I had this experience where this person contacted me and 219 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: asked me to create these things, you know, for this 220 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: big event. And I was like, oh, yeah, absolutely, and 221 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: I created them. And then she told me after or 222 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: my team created them, right, so it's my time, my resources. 223 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: She told me after that they weren't able to be 224 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: vetted in time and something like that. And so I 225 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: sat there for a moment and I was feeling so triggered, 226 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: Like yeah, so triggered, And I was like, why are 227 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: you so triggered about this Anita like, what is that? 228 00:13:55,360 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: I mean tears like anger, and I was like, I know, 229 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: it's not just about this, right, And I realized it 230 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: was about because to me it felt like I did 231 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: work for a white person and they didn't pay me. 232 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: And I not only did work, I did work and 233 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: I used my resources to have someone design things, you know, 234 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: like it was a whole uful thing. And so I 235 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: don't know if before twenty twenty I would have allowed 236 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: myself to feel those triggers, right like, I probably would 237 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: have been annoyed and then just moved on and did 238 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: something else. But it was almost as if I couldn't 239 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: help it. And so when I went into my own 240 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: self counseling about it, it did. It went into those 241 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: wounds of slavery. And so basically, once I had cleared 242 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: that and went into that, I was able to respond 243 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: without the emotional triggers, but also allow this person to 244 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: know what she did, because it's especially within the millennials, 245 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: there are so many people who are trying to be 246 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: woke and triab to through this work. And you know, 247 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: one of the things she wanted to vet was make 248 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: sure that I had people of color within my organization 249 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: and another organization that I raise money for. And so 250 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: I just told her, I said, you know, I am 251 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: a woman of color, and what is happening right now 252 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: is that there is a disrespect that's happening because you 253 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: asked me to do this work without letting me know 254 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: that there was a possibility that it was not going 255 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: to be used. Yeah, yeah, yep. So I was like, 256 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: you have to realize that at every level, not just oh, 257 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: let me see if they have black people working, you know, 258 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: if they have enough black people where I'm like, I 259 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: am a black person, right and this is it, this 260 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: one on one, Like every moment is a chance for 261 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: us to wake up. Every moment is a chance for 262 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: us to wake up. I will leave you with those 263 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: wise words from Anita Copatch. Thank you so much for 264 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: checking out Woke a F. 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