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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Miles.

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Speaker 1: We are to be joined by a brilliant, talented writer

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Speaker 1: podcaster who's written for local publications like The New York Times,

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Speaker 1: The New Yorker, The New Yorker View of Books, GQ.

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Speaker 1: She was the cost of the legendary podcasts Girls and Hoodies,

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Speaker 1: Nike All, the writer, creator and host of the legendary

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Speaker 1: podcast Heidi World The Heidi Playstory. Please welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show the Legends.

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Speaker 2: Mate, Oh you were my doll dollar dollar, Dolly, Dolly, doll,

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Speaker 2: doll doll a.

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Speaker 3: Oh shit, I know I'm a Lambert but Malley boy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Brake song for how.

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Speaker 3: Sad and alone that man is.

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Speaker 1: He just needs someone to be patient with me.

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Speaker 2: He's someone to be patient with him. He's got his

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Speaker 2: thick thighs to keep him warm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he needs someone to give him fair repeat.

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Speaker 1: Also, my ak was a reference to a embroidered jacket

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Speaker 1: Molly just told me about. He's wearing an embroidered jacket

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Speaker 1: that says hard feelings, harder dick.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I think it's album that's going on there.

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Speaker 2: I think this has to be like a mixtape title

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Speaker 2: or something, because he's done it a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: He just wore another one that had a little cute

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Speaker 2: puppies on it cuddling each other and it said hard feelings,

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Speaker 2: harder deck.

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Speaker 3: Again, sir, sir, you're you're you're losing the plot.

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Speaker 2: Man, hard feelings, hard dick, soft puppies.

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Speaker 1: Soft puppies.

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Speaker 3: Also, my man, you're thirty six years old. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: we need to be doing that. But anyway, hey, dates

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Speaker 3: their own.

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Speaker 1: No hard feelings, yes, hard feelings. I am mad right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is kind of whole energy and I'm so horny.

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Speaker 2: I'm mad and I have a bon It's like what

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Speaker 2: I imagine it's like to be a man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's basically the male experience right there.

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Speaker 2: Mad and I have a boner because my favorite basketball

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Speaker 2: team lost.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where it's like or it's just like the two

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Speaker 3: modes I'm in are angry or boner. So it depends

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Speaker 3: on what when you catch me, that's what you're going

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Speaker 3: to get.

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Speaker 2: Hard feelings, Harder deck. Those are the two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the two wolves inside you.

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Speaker 1: But he's he's suggesting that he has them both at

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Speaker 1: the same time.

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Speaker 2: He's a that's why he's Drake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, He's reached the Christ level consciousness because.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm a sad little bit with a titanium boner.

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Speaker 1: I also, I think it would be a big Feelings,

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Speaker 1: Bigger Dick because big feelings is like what you say

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Speaker 1: to children, and there's like something I feel like. There

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Speaker 1: was a part of the writing process for the album

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Speaker 1: cover USh Bag Embroidery Hard Feelings, Harder Dick, where he

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Speaker 1: wrote big Feelings, Bigger Dick and someone was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you only talk to like five year olds about

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Speaker 1: having big feelings and he was.

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Speaker 4: Only five year olds doesn't have the sun?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeahs were you were a Viagra racing jacket after that,

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Speaker 2: which I thought was really funny. I was like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: this is a hilarious album rollout whatever it is. It's

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Speaker 2: like Viagra jacket implies that the hard Dick is like

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Speaker 2: factory yeah.

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Speaker 3: Medical yeah, hey, look, and maybe that's a new thing

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Speaker 3: he's doing because he's losing so much fucking money gambling online.

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Speaker 3: I can see him being like, hey, Pfizer, you want

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Speaker 3: me to like fucking do something with you, please.

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Speaker 2: Look, nothing is cooler than being addicted to gambling and.

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Speaker 1: All biagra, viagra and thirty six with a bazillion dollars

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Speaker 1: and sex with me is super fast, Like it's just

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Speaker 1: incredibly fast. Man, rescue me me at the club.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's the hard dick first, and then

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Speaker 2: the hard feeling. This is what I imagine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like hard dick, harder feelings. That's kind of that

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Speaker 3: that that kind of gets you thinking a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It's like sex and then you cry, Yeah, you're lonely.

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Speaker 3: Not a great proposition either. Look, I think just in general,

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Speaker 3: this this doesn't feel like the most rapper thing I've

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Speaker 1: It tracks, but that was cool about it about it.

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Speaker 2: But also here's why, here's why Trianna and asap Rocky

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Speaker 1: The Metropolitan Gallivant.

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Speaker 2: They had so much fun at the Metropolitan Gallivant. And

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Speaker 2: he just looks so happy to be with her. You know,

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Speaker 2: it makes him and he's like so much much hotter

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Speaker 2: than Drake. You know what makes Drake Wanting.

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Speaker 3: And he ain't rock him. He ain't rock him. I

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Speaker 3: will use his legal name. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: You ain't rock him.

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Speaker 1: Man as rock him as soon as.

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Speaker 3: Possible, looks so happy, as soon as possible, Rock him

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Speaker 3: with Rihanna Robin Fenti at the Metropolitan Galivant.

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Speaker 1: Anna. We do like to ask our guests, what is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history that's revealing about who you are?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I considered this for so long. You have

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Speaker 5: no idea how deep I went into my own search

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Speaker 5: history for this show. Okay, but honestly, the last like

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Speaker 5: ten to fifteen searches have been different iterations of slutty

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Speaker 5: little knees. So there is I was, yeah, but Molkie.

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Speaker 5: Actually it wasn't actually even the pictures. It was trying

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Speaker 5: to find who had coined the term slutty little knees. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: going deep into two would have been like what depraved mind,

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Speaker 5: depraved and brilliant mind coined the term sully little knies?

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Speaker 3: And how poetic soul?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know it's my people came.

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Speaker 3: Oh you did you found out?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Because we were talking about this with the there

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Speaker 1: was somebody who had a full body orgasm during a

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Speaker 1: La Philharmonic performance, and we were like, man like, whoever

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Speaker 1: tweeted Okay, I just heard someone have a full body orgasm?

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Speaker 1: That was the headline for everyone. It was just like

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Speaker 1: the anonymous authorship of the Internet, Like one person came

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Speaker 1: up with that and every fucking major media outlet went

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Speaker 1: with that wording. But slutty little nees is is perfection.

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Speaker 3: We're doing it is prediction. Who's the author?

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Speaker 5: So this is a oh God. I went through like

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Speaker 5: the Esquire videos, the TikTok rabbit hole, but I think

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Speaker 5: it was this person on Twitter at Joel Guitar. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and their description is full time slut for Joel Miller,

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Speaker 5: which I also think is a great a great profession.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that's the origin point.

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Speaker 5: It's one thing about Petro Prescal is that he will

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Speaker 5: pop his luty little knee out.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So this is in reference to Peter Pascal's Metropolitan gallivant

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Speaker 1: outfit wherein he's wearing shorts with his long red coat,

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Speaker 1: slight little knees, hyked up socks, looking good.

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Speaker 3: Wait, who's the who said? Can you repeat the quotes?

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Speaker 3: Guitar guitar character in Last of Us character and Last

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's also it's about the Last of Us

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Speaker 5: and the Mandalorian. He has this go to pose where

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Speaker 5: he pops his knee out and extensively into the into

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Speaker 3: Ye love that, Love that, love that knee. Love to

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Speaker 3: see more, you know, more like knee positive content out there.

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Speaker 6: And then.

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Speaker 5: Also I just love when the Internet collectively decides to

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Speaker 5: we're really we're really hot for like someone's ear lobe,

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Speaker 5: and then we're going to create obsessive content just about that.

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Speaker 5: That's what that's in the Internet for good and I

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Speaker 5: appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I like someone comment on someone's meaty, meaty

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Speaker 1: ear lobes in a recent episode of Succession and oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: like Barnacle meat Yeah, like Barnacle That was a brilliant

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Speaker 1: little piece of poetry, Barnacle.

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Speaker 5: That's Tom to Shift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom is on a tear.

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Speaker 1: Tom is on a Jimmy Butler like tear right now

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Speaker 1: in this season, what is something you think is overted?

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Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I was thinking about that.

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Speaker 8: My mind could change on this, but I recently tried

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Speaker 8: earlier this week of Floating Float tanks and sensory deprivation,

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Speaker 8: loud music, you know, like when the time was done.

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Speaker 9: And I just kept.

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Speaker 8: Waiting and waiting and the music didn't play. And I

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Speaker 8: it isn't really overrated, but I found it a little

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Speaker 3: Because like in your mind, half of the time that

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Speaker 3: like this anxiety about like do they know like when

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Speaker 1: Want you were correct, they just left you over time

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Speaker 8: They left me over time by four minutes, so like

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Speaker 5: Maybe they forgot or like the music's broken.

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Speaker 8: So I just like climbed in the shower and then

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Speaker 8: they just started playing this really loud instrument instrumental music

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Speaker 8: and I was like, oh, okay, I get it, you

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Speaker 8: know right. There was like this other moment where I

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Speaker 3: You know, so well, I don't know anything about it,

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Speaker 3: so please set the stage from I know, Jack, you've

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Speaker 3: done it right.

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Speaker 1: Once I did it once, I'll talk about Mike experience

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Speaker 1: after so it's.

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Speaker 8: Like a giant salt water kind of bath design for

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Speaker 8: like somebody who's the size of like an eight foot athlete.

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Speaker 8: And they put like ninety four degree warm water in

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Speaker 8: Epsom salt in it, and basically you float in it,

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Speaker 8: and then there's some buttons on the side console where

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Speaker 8: or like you know, kind of like constellation style lights,

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Speaker 8: and they recommend that you do it in the dark,

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Speaker 8: and I was like really going hardcore. I was like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll be sure to hit that up along

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Speaker 1: Ever since I started this show, you've been talking to

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Speaker 3: I as a just like urban concrete boy from North Hollywood, California.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really, what is something you think is underrated? Pitch?

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Speaker 10: I feel like I and maybe I'm wrong, but I

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Speaker 9: I really liked that show.

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Speaker 3: Oh, is that the when Tim Gunn is on?

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Speaker 10: No, this is with this is with Tan France and whoa, Yeah,

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Speaker 10: and I just I always liked Project Runway, of course

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Speaker 3: I love, Yeah, I liked. I used to watch Project

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Speaker 10: Get I just I really thought it was fun, and

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Speaker 9: Like, I know you haven't.

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Speaker 3: That new one, that new version with Tim Gunn is

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Speaker 10: I guess I can't say what it has over current

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Speaker 10: But I just think, I I don't know. I feel

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Speaker 3: It's very so.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, she's like such a beautiful woman and then she's

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Speaker 1: That is the head's sister with a Coca Cola commercial

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Speaker 3: Yeah with that kind of coke.

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Speaker 10: a pretty young child, and I was like imagining in

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Speaker 10: the commercial in the world of the Marshall, she got

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Speaker 10: like a babysitter so she could have all of her

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Speaker 10: friends over to drink Coca cola.

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Speaker 1: Drink Coca cola and do some handmade pastas hell. Yeah, yeah,

445
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Speaker 1: that sounds right.

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Speaker 3: Like us normal people.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, let's take a quick break. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back to talk about.

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Speaker 6: Other normal people like your king, my king, Charles Chuck ay,

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Speaker 6: and we're back and uh yeah, So this is a

451
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Speaker 6: story that I think is being pitted as like Disney

452
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Speaker 6: versus Round DeSantis.

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Speaker 1: We all know which side we're on in that one,

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Speaker 1: am I right? Folks?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But unfortunately Disney is a massive corporation at a

457
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Speaker 1: time in American history that is completely run by massive corporations,

458
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Speaker 1: and they are using this opportunity smartly to basically try

459
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Speaker 1: and grab more power in terms of how you can

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Speaker 1: just how much power a corporation can possibly have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's right now. So we've heard that,

462
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Speaker 3: like Rohnda Santis is like, I'm gonna get them so

463
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Speaker 3: good because they humiliated me by doing an end around

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Speaker 3: with their Reedy Creek Development District. So they filed a

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Speaker 3: lawsuit against him, and they said that they have been

466
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Speaker 3: the victims of a quote targeted campaign of government retaliation

467
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Speaker 3: which was orchestrated at every step by Governor Ronda Santis

468
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Speaker 3: as punishment for Disney's protected speech. Yahka, coming late to

469
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Speaker 3: the party to vocally criticize that don't say gay legislation

470
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Speaker 3: that was happening Florida. They got late, they were late

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Speaker 3: to that party. Let's let's not forget that part about Disney.

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Speaker 3: And so they reportedly filed this suit, like quote just

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Speaker 3: minutes after DeSantis is he put the new governing board

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Speaker 3: of this Reedy Creek Development District that they basically passed

475
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Speaker 3: a resolute to basically put a halt to Disney's control

476
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Speaker 3: in that area. And it's just like the whole thing

477
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Speaker 3: is it reads like a terrible breakup letter. Disney's quote

478
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Speaker 3: regrets it has come to this, and they've quote exhausted

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Speaker 3: efforts to seek a resolution. So I think they're now

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Speaker 3: going to have a conscious uncoupling with yeah, with Ron DeSantis.

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Speaker 3: But again, this is where it gets a little freaky. Though.

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Speaker 3: They're also trying to claim that they're standing up for

483
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Speaker 3: small businesses and the little guys because you know what,

484
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Speaker 3: they have the resources to take on the state. And

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Speaker 3: this is where I believe it gets very, very very murky.

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Speaker 3: So the lawsuit does show that DeSantis is like his

487
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Speaker 3: policy definitely was motivated by Disney's, like you know that

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Speaker 3: their First Amendment protected free speech. Even in his book

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Speaker 3: that he's talked about this, like how he said that

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Speaker 3: they they crossed the line, and you know, he had

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Speaker 3: a like a special session to like terminate these special districts,

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Speaker 3: which objectively are are fucking dumb to have or like

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Speaker 3: a state's like yeah, yeah, yeah, you wealth group of

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Speaker 3: wealthy people, do whatever the fuck you want and we'll.

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Speaker 1: Just stay the do whatever makes you the most money. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: There's like a story about like their monorail, like that

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Speaker 1: the Disney monorail doesn't have to comply to the Department

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Speaker 1: of Transportation Safety standards and like a cast member, like

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Speaker 1: somebody that's what they call, people who like work at

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Speaker 1: the park was killed, like died because of this, and

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Speaker 1: they're just like yeah, yeah, move it along because they

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Speaker 1: can because they're like their own government. And yeah, in

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Speaker 1: that district. So it's fucking terrifying. But that's not why

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Speaker 1: he's being fucked up about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, like the state could have tried to like just

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Speaker 3: repeal their you know, weird ass stranglehold over this area,

507
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Speaker 3: but because like DeSantis is in such a weird ego trip,

508
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Speaker 3: like it had to be this whole thing to like

509
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Speaker 3: score points and like like you know, keep escalating the

510
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Speaker 3: fucking situation. And now like it's come to this major lawsuit.

511
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Speaker 3: But this is the thing that's very kind of this

512
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Speaker 3: is the thing I have my eye on. The rhetoric

513
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Speaker 3: in this lawsuit. Like, while there is a lot to

514
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Speaker 3: like evoke their constitutional free speech and all this other shit,

515
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 3: they're evoking this thing called the contracts clause, which was

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Speaker 3: something that was very contentious at the turn of the

517
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Speaker 3: previous century, going from the eighteen hundreds to the nineteen hundreds.

518
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Speaker 3: In that time, like the Supreme Court repeatedly quote use

519
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Speaker 3: the contracts clause to preserve private monopolies over things like

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Speaker 3: the water supply or preventing local governments from constructing their

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Speaker 3: own water works. It also struck down a Kansas law

522
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Speaker 3: and acted during a financial panic that let mortgage holders

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Speaker 3: stay in their homes for several months after foreclosure. So

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Speaker 3: essentially the Supreme Court would say that if a state

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Speaker 3: tried to intervene on behalf of the citizens to like

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Speaker 3: nullify like an agreement or like a predatory contract, they

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Speaker 3: would basically side with the businesses and essentially keep regulation

528
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Speaker 3: at bay. So building their lawsuit around this specific language

529
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Speaker 3: is opening the door possibly for like an appeal to

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court where they may want to revisit this

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Speaker 3: and have another opportunity to realign our legal system with

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Speaker 3: the interests of business owners and not workers. Like that's

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Speaker 3: like the that's the slippery slope that they're using this

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Speaker 3: like language.

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Speaker 1: With and that has been the Supreme court'smo the entire like.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they haven't for they haven't take ten years, they

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Speaker 3: haven't taught, like, they haven't touched the contract clause in

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Speaker 3: a while, because the sort of the flow of our

539
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Speaker 3: culture was like, yeah, regulation is good because this is

540
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Speaker 3: like coming out of the depression and shit like that.

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Speaker 3: So now I'm like, oh, I guess I'm on this

542
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Speaker 3: side because you can distill sort of his argument, and

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Speaker 3: this is a very charitable distillation down to no company

544
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Speaker 3: should have this much power in a state where they

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Speaker 3: can just flaunt like regulations or these other things, which

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Speaker 3: is one percent true. And we talked to about already

547
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Speaker 3: how fucked up this Reedy Creek Improvement District is. His

548
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: reason for doing it is just absolutely fucked up, and

549
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Speaker 3: it's based on his like authoritarian ego. But this again,

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Speaker 3: I just I'm bringing this up because Disney isn't the

551
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Speaker 3: only company that's talking about the contract. Cause, like, many

552
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Speaker 3: companies are trying to win cases based on this logic,

553
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Speaker 3: but so far they have been unsuccessful. Quote this is

554
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Speaker 3: from Slaate Hotels cite the clause to battle severance pay

555
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Speaker 3: for workers and rehire and the rehire of laid off employees.

556
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Speaker 3: Delivery apps used it to combat caps on the amount

557
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Speaker 3: of quote commission cash they can extract from restaurants. Corporations

558
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Speaker 3: deployed it to fight data privacy laws. Police unions have

559
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Speaker 3: seized upon it to hobble disciplinary procedures and conceal records

560
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Speaker 3: of misconduct from the public. So when you put it

561
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: all together, you're like, oh, this is to stay like

562
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Speaker 3: Disney's using this fucking legal reasoning that's on the side

563
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Speaker 3: of all the evil doers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so fucked that this is the only

565
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Speaker 1: place we get a politician pushing back on corporate power,

566
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Speaker 1: just like unfettered corporate power, like complete deregulation, which is

567
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Speaker 1: the like rule of in modern America. But because the

568
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: two parties are essentially in the center working with corporations

569
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Speaker 1: like that, you don't get anything like this from the left,

570
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Speaker 1: and so you just like accidentally get it coming from

571
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Speaker 1: like fascists, yeah, you know, right wing shit.

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Speaker 11: Is it possible for both sides of a lawsuit to

573
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Speaker 11: lose because that would honestly be so sick, but.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be some kind of sad settlement.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 3: The thing that like a lot of people pointed out

577
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Speaker 3: is like we've talked about how Disney like they outsmarted

578
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 3: DeSantis and they changed all their bylaws to like lock

579
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Speaker 3: down their like stranglehold over this area. And if they like,

580
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: like legal observers are like, why don't they just go

581
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: back because they did everything to the letter of the

582
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Speaker 3: law as it appears, and just fight it on the

583
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Speaker 3: merits rather than like countersuing with this like contract clause shit.

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Speaker 1: And because they know that this is an opportunity where

585
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Speaker 1: they're like they have public on their side. Right, it

586
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: doesn't look creepy all of a sudden for them to

587
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, we want to actually have authoritarian power

588
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Speaker 1: within this small district.

589
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Speaker 3: Right, So I guess it's kind of win win for authoritarians, Yeah, exactly,

590
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 3: or how you paint it, so it's all fucking bad.

591
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Speaker 11: Yeah, So I got a shout out to capitalists for

592
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Speaker 11: making inclusion just another tool.

593
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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, essentially, yeah, mastered it.

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Speaker 1: Like anybody who's worried about the singularity, like that capitalism

595
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 1: is the singularity. It's already like it's just constantly working.

596
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Speaker 1: It's this hive mind that is constantly working around the

597
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Speaker 1: clock to find ways to expand its power, and no

598
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Speaker 1: matter what you give to it, whether it be justice

599
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: or injustice, it's going to find a way. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's so weird too, because like they're the critics on

601
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: their right and like people who have like observed the

602
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 3: DeSantis camp or potential campaign and how he's setting himself

603
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: up to run are like, I don't know if this

604
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: is the best move because they're like while Republicans like

605
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: obviously like a bit of culture war, they also know that,

606
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: like they don't want to live in a world where

607
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: potentially the government can dictate to them how to run

608
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Speaker 3: their business, even if it is him doing that to

609
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 3: that side. And so some people are like, I mean, yeah,

610
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 3: but it's the culture warshit really worth it. And right now,

611
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: like if you just look at the polls, Ron DeSantis

612
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: is like not not doing well at all, and the

613
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: culture war stuff is like pulling like really low. Like

614
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: if anything, it's it's it's not helping anybody. But again,

615
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 3: this is sort of like the place that they want

616
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: to make their like you know, policy battles over because

617
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 3: it prevents any kind of substantive debate over anything. And

618
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 3: again we remember the Republicans are just praying for a

619
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: disaster right now as their as their plan going into

620
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four because they don't have any policies that work.

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Speaker 3: They need some new fucking financial meltdown or some new

622
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: pandemic or something. This can be like, oh my god,

623
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Speaker 3: Joe Biden did it all for us. We hate rights,

624
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do worry anytime it's Republicans, Like, yeah, I've said

626
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: this before, but they've been willing to put their foot

627
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Speaker 1: on the scale and like shocking ways that cause lots

628
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: of deaths. With Nixon, like prolonging the Vietnam War. But

629
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Speaker 1: like they're also you know, every one of the billionaires

630
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: who like runs the economy is at heart ultimately a Republican,

631
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Speaker 1: even if they claim to be a Democrat. Absolutely the

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Speaker 1: same reason Disney here is claiming to be all about

633
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Speaker 1: you know, LGBTQ rights, like they they ultimately the policy

634
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: that they're in favor of is monopoly and you know,

635
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: right wing, right wing economics.

636
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Speaker 3: So oh LGBTQ, you mean, let's get bags tonight, queens.

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Speaker 3: That's our fucking model.

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Speaker 11: Over here at Disney. Yeah, I can't. I can't stand

639
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 11: people who are socially liberal and fiscally.

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Speaker 1: Fiscally conservative, you know.

641
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Speaker 11: I mean, oh yeah, I've actually I'm actually the opposite.

642
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 11: I'm actually socially conservative and fiscally liberal.

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Speaker 7: That's my new thing.

644
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Speaker 11: I think that colleges should be free and they should

645
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Speaker 11: be segregated, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just go all out with Hey, Brody.

648
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Speaker 3: That's that's do you know what they might they might

649
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: take yup on that. Somebody's like they will.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they actually just put together a nominating committee.

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Speaker 11: For you absolutely, ship. I think that private company should

652
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 11: stop bottling public water. And I also want a water

653
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Speaker 11: found that's just for me and my friends, and.

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Speaker 3: I want to turgure out how to do that. And

655
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Speaker 3: we need we need water founds for black people who

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Speaker 3: speak Japanese specific Thank you, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you on that for the two of us.

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Speaker 3: How's your Japanese going, by the way, good, It's great,

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Speaker 3: It's really good. Good. I'm like, I talked to my

660
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Speaker 3: son so much in Japanese because I got a you

661
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, And I just thought of that. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: One more thing though, to talk about Ronda Santis Oh,

663
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Speaker 3: just he apparently has a huge cash advantage over Donald

664
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Speaker 3: Trump though despite him being forty six points behind. He

665
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Speaker 3: has before he even announcing, they said he's about he's

666
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Speaker 3: just sitting on one hundred and ten million dollars going

667
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Speaker 3: to this campaign. Trump at the end of last year

668
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Speaker 3: had fifty five million, although I think with his recent

669
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Speaker 3: indictment and NFT griffs that figure is most definitely higher.

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Speaker 3: But just an interesting thing to note. Even though like

671
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Speaker 3: a lot of the reportings like donors are fleeing and

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Speaker 3: they don't know what to do. I'm like, he's got

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Speaker 3: a lot of cash. Looked.

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Speaker 1: That's just like a measure of what the like wishes

675
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Speaker 1: are of the uber wealthy, right, Like Mike Pence, I

676
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Speaker 1: think is if if he had like over one percent polling,

677
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Speaker 1: would probably yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean Connor roy donor leader. Yeah, exactly, fucking less

679
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Speaker 3: than one percent, probably being the leading fund raser because god,

680
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Speaker 3: they love him.

681
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Speaker 1: They're just like just an empty He's almost like a

682
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Speaker 1: robot that we can just control. Yeah, he sticks.

683
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Speaker 3: He literally will stick to the script like Ron Burgundy.

684
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

685
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Speaker 3: But one more thing about Rohn DeSantis, because this is

686
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Speaker 3: really something he he doesn't really talk about his time

687
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Speaker 3: as a JAG judge, advocate general or military lawyer as

688
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Speaker 3: it pertains to his time at Guantanamo Bay, you know,

689
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Speaker 3: the torture venue where America was trying to get to

690
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Speaker 3: the bottom of are You al Qaeda?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, so he's not worried about a location being

692
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Speaker 1: completely outside of the law there, just when.

693
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Speaker 3: It's Disney, just when it's in his state, then he's

694
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Speaker 3: got issues with it.

695
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

696
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Speaker 3: So apparently, as like the timelines show Ronda Santa's first

697
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: pulled up to Guantanamo Bay when the prisoners were engaged

698
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 3: in a mass like mass hunger strikes. Yeah, because you know,

699
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: they were being tortured and like, so they sent all

700
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Speaker 3: these military lawyers down there to try and improve the conditions. However,

701
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Speaker 3: by the end of him run, they had the most

702
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: loss of life there on record. There were three prisoners

703
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Speaker 3: that quote died by Sue was signed and I'm doing

704
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Speaker 3: that in the SpongeBob and you can hear that. Weird,

705
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Speaker 3: aren't unlikely because these people were being tortured, and many

706
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Speaker 3: other detainees were like none, these people did not, That's

707
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Speaker 3: not how they died. And in twenty eighteen he even

708
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Speaker 3: bragged about how he came up with the idea to

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Speaker 3: force feed the prisoners that were on hunger strike, which

710
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Speaker 3: is considered torture. Okay, and more than a few detainees

711
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Speaker 3: recognized DeSantis and one even said that the governor was

712
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Speaker 3: present when he was force fed. And recently, Ron de

713
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Speaker 3: Santis was asked about this during a trip to Israel

714
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Speaker 3: and his answer was very calm and not shady or

715
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Speaker 3: weird at all, and not defensive and fuck you, what

716
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Speaker 3: are you fucking talking about? Let's listen to him be

717
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: asked a very straight up question about Hey, people say

718
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Speaker 3: you were in Guantanamo cared to comment on this? Just

719
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Speaker 3: listen to how out of sorts this guy gets when

720
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Speaker 3: being asked about his time at Guantanamo Bay.

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Speaker 2: During your You think we're saying incidents?

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Speaker 1: No, no, not all.

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Speaker 12: That's bs now totally.

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Speaker 1: President Young Yeah, seating who said that?

725
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Speaker 4: How would they know me?

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Speaker 12: Okay, think about that. Do you honestly believe that's credible?

727
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Speaker 12: So this is twenty two thousand and six. I'm a

728
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Speaker 12: junior officer. Do you honestly think that they would have

729
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Speaker 12: remembered me from Adam?

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Speaker 1: Of course not.

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Speaker 12: They're just trying to get into the news because they

732
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Speaker 12: know people like you will consume it because it fits

733
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Speaker 12: your preordainedarrative that you're trying to spend.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, boo, we're not going to get tell their part there,

735
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Speaker 11: we're in front of a board that says Museum of

736
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Speaker 11: Tolerance is really ironic. It's also ironic because Disneyland is

737
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Speaker 11: pretty much Guantanamo Bay for parents.

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Speaker 7: Am I am? I?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 1: Hey yeah, right, hey, he just got back. They were

741
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Speaker 1: forced beating me churros.

742
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Speaker 3: I tell you when I heard that anyway, But the

743
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Speaker 3: thing is, like, did you hear this man?

744
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Speaker 9: His line?

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Speaker 13: His line of logic, Why would anyone remember me, the

746
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Speaker 13: guy who offered them a solution to their horrible situation

747
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Speaker 13: and only ended up making things far worse for them

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Speaker 13: and probably and.

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Speaker 3: Most possibly the most fucked up.

750
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Speaker 1: Times of their lives. Why how would they remember me

751
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Speaker 1: at all? Like also like visibly begin sweating, Like he

752
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Speaker 1: like suddenly is sweaty.

753
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Speaker 3: He looked like Jordan Peele in that one me coming

754
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Speaker 3: down his face.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's such an narcissist. He should be happy that

756
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Speaker 7: they recognized.

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Speaker 1: Them, little old me. They recognized me? Why because I'm

758
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Speaker 1: so stunning?

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Speaker 3: And that is wild though to see like how different

760
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Speaker 3: it is like when he's like not in Florida doing

761
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Speaker 3: his like you know, her solar type of events, and

762
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Speaker 3: then you go abroad and I's like, hey man, motherfuckers

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Speaker 3: recognize you from gipmo And he's like that and you're like,

764
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Speaker 3: oh shit, no, they didn't moving on, And then like

765
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Speaker 3: the rest.

766
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Speaker 1: Of the media it just like doesn't let him move on,

767
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Speaker 1: whereas in Florida everyone's like terrified. So they're like, yeah,

768
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Speaker 1: fuck you man, why that question?

769
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Speaker 3: Oh my god? Have you ever been in a traumatic

770
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Speaker 3: situation and remembered the faces of people that were there

771
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Speaker 3: that offered you a lifeline. Really, now, really that's the

772
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Speaker 3: main character in his story. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his objection was just no, they don't like he

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Speaker 1: didn't offer any how. I was a junior off. Okay,

775
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Speaker 1: but do you think you're a Santos man? Do you

776
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Speaker 1: don't have a guntlet of power.

777
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Speaker 7: You can't just snap things into this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a tough trip to Israel because that

779
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Speaker 1: was also where like somebody asked him about his polling

780
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Speaker 1: numbers and he just like had a real meltdown.

781
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know who else had a tough trip to Israel?

783
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Speaker 7: Most of I don't know. Only I only the only

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Speaker 7: thing I know I passover is the Rugbrat specials.

785
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, all right, should we take another break

786
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Speaker 1: and talk about drug sniffing dogs when we get back?

787
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that sound good. That sound good.

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Speaker 3: Drugs They dogs that sniff drugs. Yeah, I got that

789
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Speaker 3: dogs that party, dude, manager dog party, Yeah, dogs done.

790
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Speaker 3: My dog's here to sniff some drugs. Dude. All right,

791
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Speaker 3: we'll be right back.

792
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Speaker 1: And we're back, and the w g A strike is official.

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Speaker 1: Writers are set to pick it, uh yesterday, so I

794
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Speaker 1: think they did pick it, and they did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you had to sign up, make sure you.

796
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Speaker 1: The unions have said that the production companies have created

797
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Speaker 1: a gig economy inside a union workforce. When you see

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Speaker 1: the details of like what is happening, but it used

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Speaker 1: to be paid to writers and like what is on

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Speaker 1: offer now it's just I guess the most pressing issues compensation.

801
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: The number of scripted shows have skyrocketed, but writers pay

802
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: has completely stagnated. They started doing this thing, the mini

803
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: writers room, where they just like have fewer people working

804
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: on a show so they can pay fewer people, they

805
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: like have them working for less time. You as the consumer,

806
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: even if you're not a member of the WGA, you

807
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: were going to see this in like the lower quality

808
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: of the content that's being produced. But it's yeah, and

809
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: so like when you look at the details of the negotiation,

810
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: the units like, so we want to like have at

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Speaker 1: least a basement on like the number of writers and

812
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: the number of time, like the amount of time that

813
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Speaker 1: constitutes a writer's room, and the corporate you know, powers

814
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Speaker 1: that be came back with like, how about we don't

815
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: even response to that because fuck you.

816
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of the response and it is it's

817
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: kind of just the way things are shifting. It's they're

818
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 3: just slashing and burning, like the old ways of doing things,

819
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 3: which rendered good content. But now yeah, but now we're

820
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: also putting writers under pressure to be like, okay, you

821
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Speaker 3: have three days to do this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This has just been like the story of our lives

824
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 2: is like they got rid of everything that made having

825
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 2: a job a thing you wanted to do. Like, so

826
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: they've made everybody an independent contractor even at jobs where

827
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: you once would have had like a salary job I've

828
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: had and and it happened first in journalism and now

829
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: it's happening in Hollywood. But basically it's just like the

830
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: tech companyization of everything. It's like when tech companies come

831
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 2: in and take everything over. What they mean by like

832
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 2: move fast and break things is like fucking and break

833
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Speaker 2: labor laws.

834
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 1: Yeah right, breaking yeah, spirits they're using like in this case,

835
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Speaker 1: they used the switch from like cable television to streaming

836
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: as like the excuse to completely like rewire everything, like

837
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Speaker 1: rewar the contract. And it's like such an arbitrary difference.

838
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Speaker 1: It's just like what people watch it on.

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Speaker 2: My logical brain. When I was like a young writer

840
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: starting out, like as magazines and other ecosystems are like collapsing,

841
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: and I thought foolishly like, okay, well it'll go to

842
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 2: the internet and at some point they'll start compensating people

843
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: fairly on the internet. But the whole time it's just

844
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 2: been like no internet, other thing that's less valuable, so

845
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 2: we pay you less. And like race just haven't gone

846
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: up for writers across the board in like twenty years,

847
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: which is like insane, but it reflects other trends in

848
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: the country of just like rates aren't going up. Jobs

849
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: don't have the things that once made it for any reason,

850
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: like useful to have a steady job.

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Speaker 1: You know.

852
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: It's like yeah, yeah, how about less perks, less benefits,

853
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: more work, right, Well, it's like they offer it.

854
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Speaker 2: It's like you get to make choices. It's like this thing.

855
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 2: I feel like it was also like marketed to us

856
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: as like you get to like you get to have

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Speaker 2: five jobs.

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Speaker 1: You get to let rite yea work all things right, You're.

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Speaker 2: Not tied down to this one job for twenty years,

860
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Speaker 2: so you get to work seventy jobs all the time forever,

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Speaker 2: with no promise of like any kind of contract pickup

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00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: you know, especially something like writing where you can make

863
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 2: people feel like they're lucky to be doing it at

864
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Speaker 2: all for money, because it's like any kind of creative pursuit.

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Speaker 2: This is on my next podcast is about about the

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Speaker 2: most worker protections and content making and all that stuff

867
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Speaker 2: in the most important American media industry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which is which is pornography. Yes, yeah, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that was assumed by our listeners. Yeah, they know.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just interesting because I've been working on it,

871
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: and it is really about workers' rights and content merchantry

872
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: and art making for money, right, and the way in

873
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Speaker 2: which it went from being a thing where you could

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Speaker 2: have a study job to being a thing where you

875
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Speaker 2: are like a mercenary. Yeah, and how how even mercenaries

876
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: deserve protections.

877
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: Especially you know, thank you, h Yeah Eric.

878
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: Eric Prince was just talking about that recently on Sebastian

879
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: Gorka's podcast. I like one of the other things too, right,

880
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 3: because we talk about technology and things, is like the

881
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: w GA, the Writers Guild. They're also very concerned about AI.

882
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: But that stuff is crazy because that to me feels

883
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: like shows you how dumb they are that they're like,

884
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: we can replace you with robots.

885
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, like because all the AI.

886
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: Stuff, it's like never up to the level that it's

887
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 2: being advertised as.

888
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 3: It's like a friend of mine had like who has

889
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: chat GPT they were showing me. I was like, they're like, dude,

890
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: I got it to pitch like five movie ideas based

891
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 3: on this candy or whatever, like, and it's like they're

892
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: like and we put the prompt in and it's funny

893
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: how it just it gives you, like the most like

894
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: they're serviceable ideas, but they're clearly just aggregated from other

895
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 3: ideas elsewhere and you're like, no, this is actually original.

896
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: Like one thing was just like The Avengers, but like

897
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 3: but they skinned it over with like these candy things,

898
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: and another one was like basically Tommy Boy but with

899
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: like candy.

900
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: Maybe that's like the problem is writers are like, yeah,

901
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 2: but like AI is going to give you like shitty content,

902
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah.

903
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: That's what we want.

904
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: We don't care if it's fucking good. We want a

905
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: robot to write the Avengers. That's obviously where this has

906
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: been going all along.

907
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Ultron wins in this one.

908
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: And there's something about just like de platforming writers as

909
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: a group that is obviously fascist, you know.

910
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

911
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 3: The thing that's kind of spooky, right is like in

912
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 3: the negotiations the WJ is like in regards to AI,

913
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: they're like, we can't have it be normalized that you

914
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 3: can use AI to be credited with any writing. And

915
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: all we're asking is that you don't do that or

916
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: you're doing some chat GPT script shit and then having

917
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: a like a human writer punch it up after Like

918
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: the Lord's so scary.

919
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: The idea of like a robot punching up scripts honestly

920
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: does like frighten me to my very core in a

921
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: way that like, I never I've never thought about it

922
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: until now.

923
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: You know, right, yeah, And I like how like so

924
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: the response of like the theater or the studios and

925
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: stuff to like the AI question is we will have

926
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: annual meetings to discuss advancements in technology. We're not gonna

927
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 3: say yes to anything.

928
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: You said, what mean, right, Yeah, The whole thing is

929
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: we make no promises. The whole thing I mean this

930
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: is like you said, Mie, this is what's happening across

931
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: all capitalist systems, especially in the United States. Things are

932
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: being rewired, like everything is, it's just more and more

933
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: being normalized, where now they don't even have to like

934
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: engage with the requests. They're just like, weal in response

935
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: to your concerns that AI will write scripts that you

936
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: then get like twenty dollars to punch up. We will

937
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 1: have meetings to discuss that with you.

938
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: It's also like the.

939
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: Bigger the name of the corporation, the more they will

940
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: tell you to go fuck yourself, you know. And so like,

941
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: I know people who were working for Disney on like

942
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 2: a show that was some of the issues that led

943
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: to this, I feel like, and some of it is

944
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: like they're having people write things on spec essentially, it's

945
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: like they don't have to greenlight the show until after

946
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 2: they've written an entire season of it.

947
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: Truly, the hoops that our people are jumping through is

948
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: it just.

949
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 4: Makes no sense.

950
00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: It's like if you cared at all about the efficiency, obviously,

951
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: Hollywood is like not an efficiently run system.

952
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: One of the details that I've read in like how

953
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: Studios Fucked people Over is there was a show, like

954
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: a successful network show that had a like bump built

955
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: into the writer's contracts from like going from the first

956
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: twenty six episode season to the second twenty six episode season,

957
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: and so to avoid doing that, the studio just changed

958
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: the length of the season in the contract to fifty

959
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: two episodes. It just had them work on a longer

960
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: season one. Just most bad faith, no shitty kinds, the.

961
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: Kinds of workarounds they do, yeah for these things. And

962
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: I've been in situations where I had what felt like

963
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: it should be a very like tenured media job and

964
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: would once have been like a tenured media job and

965
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: the kind of thing you could like depend on for

966
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: a few years, and instead they gave it to like

967
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: three of us and made us all independent contractors and

968
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 2: gave us just no guarantees that we would ever be working.

969
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 2: It was just like no problem, you know, no promises

970
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: of how much work.

971
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Speaker 7: This is.

972
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 2: When there's a column you'll know.

973
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Speaker 1: Gig work, but gigs that makes it sound funny, like

974
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: you're doing a fun concert or something.

975
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: And then you can go to your rent fare and

976
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: smoke weed, you know, and you smoke weed.

977
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: I think Also it's like like these things are intertwined.

978
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: Also what my next podcast is about. But it's like

979
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: often when the bottom falls out of an industry or

980
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: the profit making is like not what it once was

981
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: that's when they let people of color and women in,

982
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 2: you know, because they're like, oh, well, nobody fucking cares now,

983
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: Like this isn't it isn't like writing on cheers where

984
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: you would buy how you know, a house why from it?

985
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: It's like it's gig work. So it's like as it

986
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: becomes more diverse and like traditional gatekeeping is changing, it's

987
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: like it also does feel like they're trying to crush

988
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: that too. But it's also like when people are like, oh,

989
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: once I would have the problem with all these executives

990
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: is they just wanted to be the past.

991
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 6: You know.

992
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 2: It's like they're not interested in dealing with what's happening now.

993
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: Because this was These are also the same issues as

994
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight strike, which was that things

995
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: were going to the internet. People weren't being compensated fairly

996
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: for work on the internet. They weren't getting residuals. They

997
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: were using it as an excuse to like pay people less,

998
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 2: and it just never got fixed. Even in the first strike,

999
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 2: it never really got fixed. They just did a million

1000
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: reality shows. That was when they did a big push

1001
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: on reality because reality had no labor protections and like,

1002
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: really does it is like the most exploitative.

1003
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like we were saying on the Trending episode

1004
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: the other day, is like from the studio standpoint, like

1005
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: with the amount of downsizing and shit that they've had

1006
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: to do and scaling back, like a strike is actually

1007
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 3: not bad for them because they're like, well that's less money.

1008
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: They're like, we're going to fuck everybody. We're just going

1009
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: to get rid of all these people and bring in scabs.

1010
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: And I truly think what's gonna happen is they're going

1011
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 2: to make a bunch of They're gonna sign a million,

1012
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: like fucking TikTok stars is what I think will happen.

1013
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be like fuck this, We're just

1014
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: gonna yeah, like yeah, because they don't respect writers. They

1015
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: don't respect writing. That's what's crazy about show business is

1016
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: the people who are in charge like don't respect art

1017
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 2: and don't care about art. Yeah, somebody said like quibi

1018
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: it is very like quibbi vibes. It's like a bunch

1019
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: of people saying something that like any sane person is like, yeah,

1020
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: you can't do this shit without writers, and they're like,

1021
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: oh watch.

1022
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 3: Us, Yeah, wait until they come back and HBO Max

1023
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: is like guess what Succession is coming back for a

1024
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 3: fifth season and helmed by Charlie de'millio and Logan Paul.

1025
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 4: That's what I mean.

1026
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 2: It's like I think they're intent to like strip all

1027
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: these brands.

1028
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: For parts because that's just like yeah, I think yeah,

1029
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: And that is.

1030
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: Ultimately like like it's TV writers or like a metaphor

1031
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: for everybody else where. It's just like this is a

1032
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 2: very once lucrative, prestigious job and it is not what

1033
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: it used to be.

1034
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I mean, I think that's that's the thing

1035
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 3: that's become very fortuitous for like these greedy studios is

1036
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 3: like when you're dealing with people that are like already

1037
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: driven by a passion for something, they're probably more likely

1038
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 3: to want to go along with whatever you're offering because

1039
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: for them, they're passionate about it and like yeah, man,

1040
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: they're fucking we'll do it because where else are you

1041
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: gonna write on TV? Etceter.

1042
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: True, But it's like the same thing is probably true

1043
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: for like Amazon warehouses, where people are so desperate they

1044
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: have to say yes to anything.

1045
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 4: It's like, for sure, it's all about just like making people.

1046
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 2: Desperate it's just different levels of making people desperate so

1047
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: that they have to say yes to whatever because they

1048
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: truly just like are scraping by. And I think also

1049
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 2: this is where democrats are really fucking failing right now.

1050
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: I do think it's like during the pandemic, they did

1051
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: the thing they never had done before where they just

1052
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: gave us all money to be freelancers, right, and it

1053
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: like improved everybody's quality of life so much. Everybody I

1054
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 2: know is like that everything was bad, but remember how

1055
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: great it was to not be fucking stressed out about

1056
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: paying rent every month. Because like the government acknowledges you

1057
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 2: might need a little help, they should offer to help people,

1058
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 2: even if it's in bad faith. Then they're not going

1059
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 2: to do it. The fact that they're not even trying

1060
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: it is so depressing.

1061
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: Let me get offer, man, come.

1062
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: On, yea.

1063
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: About the WGA too, They're like, look, we really want

1064
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: to negotiate with it, just like I've been in a

1065
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: lot of situations like this at this point where it's like, yeah,

1066
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,439
Speaker 2: you're like we love you know what you do? Why

1067
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: would they treat me like a person? And I think

1068
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 2: that's the thing about capitalism too, is it's like.

1069
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: No matter how valuable you become.

1070
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 2: In capitalism, even if you become like a super high

1071
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 2: paid showrunner or whatever, there's still a fucking commodity to them,

1072
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: and that means they can throw you away.

1073
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: In this version of capitalism, this hypercapitalism that's just all

1074
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: about creating value for shareholders and does not give a

1075
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: fuck about the people who are actually creating the value

1076
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: that then gets transferred into monetary value for shareholders.

1077
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: Corporations are people and people are corporations.

1078
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: Man, oh, I mean I am working on my branding.

1079
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Well, I think it's like you have to you have

1080
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: to make you mercenary and it's for better and worse.

1081
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1082
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well we've all had to commodify ourselves in someone.

1083
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: And that's good. It's efficient, and that's what we want

1084
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: to leave you with.

1085
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 2: But look, just because you don't win every time, does

1086
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: that make you a failure?

1087
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, Molly, such a pleasure having you. All Right,

1088
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

1089
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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show. If you like, the

1090
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Speaker 1: show means the world demiles.

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Speaker 3: He needs your validation, folks.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend, and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday by