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Speaker 1: Advice. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to the Naughty but Nice Show.

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Speaker 1: We have a very special episode today of the show.

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Speaker 1: We're joined by my friends Dylan Howard and Andy Tyler

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Speaker 1: to extraordinary reporters, journalists who have a hit book on

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Speaker 1: their hands, Royals at War. Everybody's talking about it. It's

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Speaker 1: the untold story of Harry and Megan and their shocking

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Speaker 1: split and what that did to the House of Windsor. Dylan,

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Speaker 1: how are you very well? Thank you, Robin, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me on the show. We're really excited about this.

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Speaker 1: So my listeners and myself, we love the Royals, we

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Speaker 1: talk about them all the time. There's so much gossip

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Speaker 1: in this book, so let's jump right in. Something that

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Speaker 1: really stood out to me is William was very worried

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Speaker 1: about Megan and even described her or his friends did

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Speaker 1: as potentially been a renee it. Well, there was this

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Speaker 1: sort of diplomatic mediation very early on between William and

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Speaker 1: Harry when he took his youngest sibling aside and offered

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Speaker 1: those type of quiet words that many people have been

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Speaker 1: given by another sibling. The question issue the right one. Now,

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Speaker 1: it was intended to be well intended on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Prince William. But Harry didn't take it that way, um,

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Speaker 1: and that caused the great rift between the brothers. Now,

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Speaker 1: don't forget these two were almost seemingly unbreakable. And William

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Speaker 1: was very very um distinct about how we pose this question,

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Speaker 1: U and I guess he was doing on behalf of

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Speaker 1: the royal household, the Cambridges and the Sussexes. But the

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Speaker 1: reaction stunned him. Um. This seems like it was the start.

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Speaker 1: This was the start of all the problems that are

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Speaker 1: not playing the republic. We've all we've all seen them,

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Speaker 1: we've heard about them. This was the start. Just asking her,

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Speaker 1: just asking him, sorry, just asking his brother if he

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Speaker 1: thought she was the right one? Is that correct? Well, Harry,

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Speaker 1: Harry really believed that Mark, that Megan Marcle had everything

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Speaker 1: that made her the it girl for him, that she

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Speaker 1: was the one He loved her confidence still does, the commitment,

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Speaker 1: that drive and ambition that she has displayed. And he

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Speaker 1: didn't enjoy the fact that other members of the royal

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Speaker 1: family remained silent as William was left to do seemingly

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Speaker 1: their own bidding. But as you point out, rob A,

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Speaker 1: this was a situation that really was the first step

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Speaker 1: in creating the royal rift between Harry and William, which

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Speaker 1: ultimately led to Harry saying he no longer wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a royal. So so what I'm hearing though, Dylan

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Speaker 1: and I know you guys. You interviewed you and Andy

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people for this book. It's thoroughly researched. What

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Speaker 1: I hear are you saying is that he thought Megan

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Speaker 1: marry into a family like that, it's not just the family,

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Speaker 1: it's a business. It's one of the most famous businesses

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Speaker 1: in the world. Did Harry think should fit into the business? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Harry really had any intent to stick around.

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Speaker 1: Much has been made of the fact that Megan may

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Speaker 1: have been the driving force behind his decision to abdicate

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Speaker 1: from the monarchy, but the reality is this was not

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Speaker 1: a life that Harry necessarily wanted to live. He believed

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Speaker 1: that the media was responsible for the death of his mother,

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Speaker 1: the late Lady Diana, Princess of Wales. They hounded her

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Speaker 1: Markel and it's solidified in his mind his decision that

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Speaker 1: potential damage that the relationship could do to the monarchy.

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Speaker 1: And he did the family. It's beautifully detailed in the book.

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Speaker 1: I have a question for Andy, your co author, who's

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Speaker 1: who he has become. Hi, Rob, how's it going, good? Good? Good? Great?

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Speaker 1: So Yeah, Harry was always, you know, the favorite royal

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Speaker 1: he happy? I think I think that I think that

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Speaker 1: the mental greatdowns that you really detail in the book,

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Speaker 1: few more seconds with Andy Tiller, Dylan Howard and the

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Speaker 1: Royals at War. Welcome back to They're not even a

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Speaker 1: night show on rob Shooter. We've got the two authors

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Speaker 1: of the new book. Everybody's talking about the Royals at

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Speaker 1: War Dylan Howard. So in the book, Dylan Well point

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Speaker 1: out very very carefully that the Royal family is a

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Speaker 1: family of protocols, and Megan didn't get the memo. How

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Speaker 1: many rules did she break? I think it's still being

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Speaker 1: life in the palace, one runs to a very well

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Speaker 1: up at five am, she was demanding, and it was

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Speaker 1: not how that sort of laid back yet philanthropic role

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Speaker 1: was quite unquote difficult. She has very high standards and

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Speaker 1: Royals at War, the untold story of Harry and Megan's

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Speaker 1: that you might not know. Pick it up. That's it.

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Speaker 1: The Naughty but Night Show, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Dylan Howard, Thank you Andy Tiller. I remember,

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Speaker 1: if you're going to be naughty, you've got to be nice.

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Speaker 1: Take care every you, Take care everybody. It's starting but

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