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Speaker 2: one seaton and then what are we pondering for hour two?
Speaker 3: We've been taking many suggestions on if the heat didn't
Speaker 3: quit last night, what exactly did they do right now?
Speaker 3: My favorite is coming from a fella here who said
Speaker 3: they strategically lacked effort.
Speaker 4: Okay, that would be tanking. Yeah, Utah, Jazz did that
Speaker 4: this year strategically Definitely, yes they did.
Speaker 2: But the Cabs blew out the heat by fifty five points,
Speaker 2: so that's the fourth largest margin of victory in a
Speaker 2: playoff game in NBA history. They also outscored the Heat
Speaker 2: by one and twenty two points, the largest point differential
Speaker 2: in a playoff.
Speaker 4: Series in NBA history. Stat of the Day, stat of
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Speaker 2: the Dan Patrick Show. Now, I didn't expect this kind
Speaker 2: of blowout, but I did expect Cleveland to not have
Speaker 2: any issues with the Miami Heat. You know, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: Miami was a playing team. They had thirty seven wins.
Speaker 2: Cleveland had sixty four wins. Cleveland's a really good team.
Speaker 2: Everybody's waiting to see how they're going to do in
Speaker 2: the playoffs. This next match up here against Indiana. Now,
Speaker 2: people are going to have some trepidation there before they
Speaker 2: I mean, they're doing that with OKC right now, We've
Speaker 2: seen it with the Celtics. Now we're waiting to see
Speaker 2: Cavaliers on that level. Oka see on that level. I
Speaker 2: think that's what everybody's sort of waiting for here in
Speaker 2: the postseason. Bucks and the Pacers coming up tonight, Pistons, Nicks, Magic, Celtics, Clippers,
Speaker 2: and the Nuggets. Here was something that kind of got
Speaker 2: lost a little bit, I think with the post draft coverage.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're aware of this, but
Speaker 2: you should be. Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred said he discussed
Speaker 2: Pete Rose with President Trump at a meeting two weeks ago.
Speaker 2: The commissioner plans to rule on a request to end
Speaker 2: the sports permanent band of Pete Rose, who died in September.
Speaker 2: Speaking yesterday to the Associated Press, the Commissioner said he
Speaker 2: and the President discussed several issues, including concerns over how
Speaker 2: immigration policies could impact players from Cuba, Venezuela and other
Speaker 2: foreign countries. The Commissioner is considering a petition to have
Speaker 2: Rose posthumously removed from Baseball's permanently ineligible list. The petition
Speaker 2: was filed in January, and we have talked about this
Speaker 2: many many times, and I wondered, what did he get in?
Speaker 2: And I was saying all along that if he got in,
Speaker 2: it would be posthumously. That the Commissioner was not going
Speaker 2: to let Pete Rose go up there and give a
Speaker 2: speech if anybody was going to do it, it'd be
Speaker 2: somebody in Pete's family after Pete had died. But this
Speaker 2: just gets him back on the ballot if they want
Speaker 2: to do that, Finn. Because people look at it as
Speaker 2: a lifetime ban. This is a permanent ban. So his
Speaker 2: lifetime it's over, but he's still banned. That's why the
Speaker 2: permanent part of this is the key part of this.
Speaker 2: If this was a lifetime ban, well, his life is ended.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: If you want to vote on this, you want to
Speaker 2: put him on the ballot. But the president's involved in this,
Speaker 2: and don't underestimate that, because the number of people who
Speaker 2: would love to have Pete in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 2: as opposed to those who would oppose this, I would say,
Speaker 2: would be a pretty wide margin those in favor of
Speaker 2: Pete rose. And I know we're you know, we're shouldered
Speaker 2: deep in gambling here and now moving forward, do we
Speaker 2: take away the permanent label?
Speaker 4: That word?
Speaker 2: Because if I'm the nineteen nineteen White Sox or shoelish
Speaker 2: Joe Jackson, all of a sudden, I go, well, ho
Speaker 2: hold on here. If you're a relative of shoeless Joe Jackson,
Speaker 2: do you say, well, wait a minute here. You know
Speaker 2: we had a permanent ban, you know, should it be
Speaker 2: a lifetime ban? Our life is over. Can somebody kind
Speaker 2: of pick up the baton here and get them into
Speaker 2: the Baseball Hall of Fame that's going on right now?
Speaker 2: And could I see a scenario where the commissioner puts
Speaker 2: Pete or allows Pete to be eligible eligible for the ballot?
Speaker 4: Now, does he have a better chance?
Speaker 2: Like the Veterans Committee, are they going to look favorably
Speaker 2: to Pete all the years that he hijacked Cooper's town.
Speaker 2: I'd like to know, you know, I'd like to get
Speaker 2: a consensus of how that's going to go with the
Speaker 2: Veterans committing, because there are a lot of players who
Speaker 2: were not in Pete's corner because Pete never showed any control.
Speaker 4: He never really apologized. But that's that's what made Pete great.
Speaker 2: You know, Lance Armstrong, he never apologized, Bonds never apologized,
Speaker 2: Clemens never, But like that's what made them great. They
Speaker 2: needed to have that. You know, I didn't do anything wrong,
Speaker 2: you did, h and Pete. Look when he came on
Speaker 2: my radio show years ago and said that he bet
Speaker 2: on the Reds to win every game, and then people go, hey,
Speaker 2: well that's what you want, Well, you can still manipulate
Speaker 2: the lineup. I mean, no, you can't bet on your team.
Speaker 2: But people, I think thought that, well, at least he's
Speaker 2: not betting against his team that we know of. Do
Speaker 2: you think Pete would actually say, you know, I bet
Speaker 2: against my team a few times because you want to
Speaker 2: win your bets?
Speaker 4: You don't, you don't care?
Speaker 2: And what I think Pete would put himself in a
Speaker 2: position like that, Yes, I would, because he's not a
Speaker 2: good gambler. But I think that this is probably headed
Speaker 2: towards Pete being eligible for the ballot.
Speaker 4: I do. I think that's where we're headed.
Speaker 2: Because when you meet with the president, the president wants
Speaker 2: this to happen. The president gets to take a victory
Speaker 2: lab but he's also saying to the commissioner, hey, I
Speaker 2: can affect some of these other things that you're dealing with.
Speaker 2: You help me here, Oh, I help you here. And
Speaker 2: I truly think that's what's going to happen. I think
Speaker 2: this commissioner will put him on the ballot, and then
Speaker 2: he can wipe his hands clean of this. He can say,
Speaker 2: all right, you know, I listened to the president. We
Speaker 2: put him on the ballot, and I'm going to let
Speaker 2: the Veterans Committee decide. Now, would he be on the
Speaker 2: regular ballot or would he be on the Veterans committee?
Speaker 2: Since he hasn't been on the regular baseball ballot, I
Speaker 2: would think you would. You should go through that process
Speaker 2: with Peter before you get to the Veterans Committee.
Speaker 4: Does it say anything about that, PAULI.
Speaker 5: We're checking back in nineteen ninety one, the Hall of
Speaker 5: Fame's Board of Director said anyone on the permanently ineligible
Speaker 5: list cannot be considered for the Hall. So that's why
Speaker 5: he was never on the ballot. We're checking what ballot
Speaker 5: he would.
Speaker 2: Be on because if you just say we're going to
Speaker 2: change it to a lifetime ban, okay, you know the
Speaker 2: semantics of that, because a permanent ban, it doesn't matter. Hey,
Speaker 2: you died and you're posthumously going to be on the ballot.
Speaker 2: That can't happen.
Speaker 5: If Rose is reinstated, it doesn't mean he would be
Speaker 5: automatically on the Hall of Fame ballot. He would first
Speaker 5: have to be nominated by the Hall's Historical Overview Committee,
Speaker 5: which is a baseball Writers' association. It's a small group,
Speaker 5: and then he would end up on the ballot, so
Speaker 5: he has to be voted to be on the ballot,
Speaker 5: to be on the.
Speaker 2: Ballot, Yeah, I would just keep an eye out because
Speaker 2: I think that's what's going to happen. I think this
Speaker 2: commissioner is probably going to decide to go, all right,
Speaker 2: let's just be done with this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pulling and the commission can really be done for it.
Speaker 5: If he reinstates rose Or and then he doesn't make
Speaker 5: the ballot, it's not his decision to not vote him
Speaker 5: and be a separate committee. He would have nothing to
Speaker 5: do with it.
Speaker 4: We'll get phone calls.
Speaker 2: Albert Breer Monday Morning Quarterback had a lot of things
Speaker 2: interesting things about shad Or Sanders, just to recap kind
Speaker 2: of what we talked about first hour. I just wonder
Speaker 2: if Shudoor Sanders, Deon Sanders had that guy in the
Speaker 2: room in their inner circle who was the guy who
Speaker 2: would tell you what you didn't want to hear. And
Speaker 2: he didn't have an agent, and sometimes that agent's job
Speaker 2: is to protect you from you. I remember I thought
Speaker 2: that I was ready for a job, and my agent
Speaker 2: at the time said, look, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're ready.
Speaker 4: For this, and.
Speaker 2: You know your first thought is I should get another agent,
Speaker 2: like I need to have somebody tell me what I
Speaker 2: want to hear. But he was telling me the truth.
Speaker 2: And while it humbles you and you're like, damn, okay,
Speaker 2: I had somebody who was honest with me.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Shador had that.
Speaker 2: If your dad is your biggest cheerleader and talking to
Speaker 2: these teams maybe guiding these teams to your son or
Speaker 2: away from your son, are you getting that honest truth
Speaker 2: of you didn't interview well. You don't come off as
Speaker 2: a great team player. You seem like you have other interests.
Speaker 2: You were distracted. It felt like maybe you wanted the
Speaker 2: teams to try to tell you why they wanted you
Speaker 2: instead of why you wanted to play for them, Like
Speaker 2: you need to hear that. And I think would that
Speaker 2: have helped him, Well, it can help him moving forward,
Speaker 2: but it could have helped him to at least understand
Speaker 2: what was going on in the draft, because, as we
Speaker 2: pointed out last hour, you don't get many second round
Speaker 2: quarterbacks because teams will use a quarterback in the first round,
Speaker 2: but second round, now you've got to do team needs.
Speaker 2: If I didn't draft you in the first round. I'm
Speaker 2: probably not going to take you until the fourth round,
Speaker 2: fifth round. The difference is that's a franchise quarterback. That's
Speaker 2: a backup quarterback. And I believe since my source said
Speaker 2: I didn't have a first round grade for him, that
Speaker 2: meant that maybe teams viewed him as a backup, or
Speaker 2: maybe teams didn't even think he was going to be there,
Speaker 2: or for whatever reason. If it's true that owners, you know,
Speaker 2: told their staff to take him off their draft board
Speaker 2: for whatever, Like what happened that all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're telling you your scouting team take him off our
Speaker 2: draft board? Are you following along with everybody else?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 2: Did you hear the story? Did you hear the story?
Speaker 2: Do you know what he did? Oh, but we'll talk
Speaker 2: to Albert Breer about that.
Speaker 4: Coming on.
Speaker 2: Jake in San Diego leads us off this hour. Hi, Jake,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind today?
Speaker 7: Hey?
Speaker 6: First time, long time. My five day old son is
Speaker 6: seven pounds and three ounces. Just two questions wondering, One
Speaker 6: if you had any advice for me for what to
Speaker 6: do with this little thing. And secondly, if Aaron never
Speaker 6: doesn't sign with the Steelers, if Jordan loves God forbid
Speaker 6: something happens to him that he would sign with the
Speaker 6: Packers in the Miltle season.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't want to play the if
Speaker 2: somebody gets hurt hypothetical around the league. Now, I did
Speaker 2: mention if Matthew Stafford, let's say, would get banged up,
Speaker 2: would you bring him in? Like there's certain situations where
Speaker 2: maybe that would happen, But I don't see that happening
Speaker 2: where Green Bay goes.
Speaker 4: Do we want to go back into this? And I
Speaker 4: would say no.
Speaker 2: But it does feel like the Steelers, given what's happened
Speaker 2: or what happen happened in the draft, that they're going,
Speaker 2: you know, hey, we'll take the kid out of Ohio State.
Speaker 2: But that's kind of a yeah, you know, who knows.
Speaker 2: Which I do like the draft pick. I mean, he
Speaker 2: did win a national championship, played for two different schools.
Speaker 2: I think he's athletic. I think he grew up a
Speaker 2: Steeler fan and you know, probably thrilled to come in
Speaker 2: there and maybe he gets a chance. I think that's
Speaker 2: a really good pick. And here's the other thing. I
Speaker 2: already know what Mason Rudolph can do. I already know
Speaker 2: if I'm the Steelers like, Okay, we got him, and
Speaker 2: yeah he's our quarterback. Maybe not, he's a backup, but
Speaker 2: you know you want to bring in Will Howard.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good pick.
Speaker 2: Not viewed as a starter, Maybe he can be a starter.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, given what they have, you
Speaker 2: already know what your backup quarterbacks are all about. You're
Speaker 2: hoping for Rogers and then maybe he swing for the
Speaker 2: fences and you get a quarterback who can come in
Speaker 2: and maybe in two years he's playing.
Speaker 4: Yes, Mark, And.
Speaker 8: I think brock Purty succeeding has given a lot of
Speaker 8: these late round draft picks hope and now they can say, hey,
Speaker 8: I can beat brock Purty instead of the other really
Speaker 8: famous late round quarterback, which is Tom Brady. And you
Speaker 8: don't want to have that type of expectations. You know what,
Speaker 8: I could breed brock Purty if I get the opportunity.
Speaker 9: Yes, Todd, from a fan standpoint in Pittsburgh, if Aaron
Speaker 9: Rodgers does eventually become a Steelers all forgiven and they're
Speaker 9: all immediately all in and we love Aaron Rodgers, or
Speaker 9: because this took so long, you think there's going to
Speaker 9: be bitterness.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if they have any other choice
Speaker 2: but to bring him in. I mean, you got to
Speaker 2: back him. I don't know if there's anything else you
Speaker 2: can do. I mean, Mason Rudolph is not the answer,
Speaker 2: and they can pretend that he is, but he's not.
Speaker 2: You could have taken other quarterbacks in the draft. I
Speaker 2: just think they're getting Aaron Rodgers and praying that he
Speaker 2: stays healthy. But we thought that that would happen after
Speaker 2: the draft, because I said, at least what I was
Speaker 2: told is Aaron's not going to sign before the draft.
Speaker 2: He wants to make sure. He wants to see what
Speaker 2: the Steelers do. Whether this is true or not, this
Speaker 2: is what I was told. Are they going to take
Speaker 2: a quarterback a little bit higher? Would they use a
Speaker 2: first round draft pick? Because we thought maybe Jackson Dart
Speaker 2: was going to go to the Steelers, maybe Shoudre Sanders
Speaker 2: would go there. I don't know if that would have
Speaker 2: an impact on Aaron Rodgers, but I think that you
Speaker 2: have to factor that in. If I'm Rogers, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't have to hurry. Now I can meet with
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I can talk to the Steelers, and I
Speaker 2: just want to and he's probably just going to survey
Speaker 2: the landscape here if somebody happens to get injured in
Speaker 2: training camp.
Speaker 4: He wants to win another Super Bowl? Are you going
Speaker 4: to do that in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 2: And I think that's why he wanted Minnesota, because Minnesota
Speaker 2: is closer to winning a Super Bowl than Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Polley and the Steelers spent most of their draft
Speaker 5: on the defense, Yes, running back, quarterback, then all defense,
Speaker 5: and DK Metcalf in the off season. They're poised to
Speaker 5: plug in somebody.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll take a break. Albert Breer Monday morning,
Speaker 2: quarterback will join us. Have a new poll question. Your
Speaker 2: phone calls are always welcome. We'll take a break. We're
Speaker 2: back after this.
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Speaker 4: two going to be seedon?
Speaker 3: Well we got up there a more team version I
Speaker 3: guess of the original poll question. If the Miami Heat
Speaker 3: didn't quit last night, what did they do?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 3: We have Miami Heat's humiliating loss last night was mainly
Speaker 3: because dot dot dot the Calves are just better Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 4: Or the heat quit or all the above. All of
Speaker 4: the above also inappropriate.
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com,
Speaker 2: twitter handle at DP shows Albert Breer, frequent contributor to
Speaker 2: the program the Monday Morning Quarterback who joins us on
Speaker 2: the program. Let's start with the second pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: Let me do what everybody else has done and not
Speaker 2: really focus on cam Ward going number one overall built
Speaker 2: bad Ford. It's like, oh yeah, that's great, Okay, Now
Speaker 2: let's get to the interesting stuff. Grade the Cleveland Jacksonville
Speaker 2: trade swapping two to five.
Speaker 12: So I would actually give Cleveland an a to be
Speaker 12: able to get what they got, and we'll see what
Speaker 12: becomes of I think the two guys they got form
Speaker 12: more Mason Graham and quin Shawn Jadkins.
Speaker 7: We'll see what becomes the players they got from.
Speaker 12: But you know, I think that they were really in
Speaker 12: a position where they had to reset their roster a little,
Speaker 12: and they're starting to feel the effects now of all
Speaker 12: those first round picks going out the window for Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 12: where they're aging in certain spots they're aging a little
Speaker 12: bit on their offensive line, they've aged on their defensive line,
Speaker 12: they've aged a bit in their secondary, they aged it
Speaker 12: running back, and so, like, I like, they had to
Speaker 12: find a way to reset their roster a little and
Speaker 12: this effectively does it.
Speaker 7: Now, you know, walking away.
Speaker 12: From you know, one of the two true blue chip
Speaker 12: players in this draft, I'm sure wasn't easy, you know,
Speaker 12: but they wind up with Mason Graham and Judkins and
Speaker 12: they'll have for another first round pick next year, and
Speaker 12: depending on how good Jacksonville is, that could wind up
Speaker 12: being a high first round draft pick.
Speaker 7: We'll see.
Speaker 12: So I just think, you know, if you want to
Speaker 12: talk about the logic behind it, it's pretty easy easy
Speaker 12: to see what the Browns logic was. I would give
Speaker 12: the I give the Jaguars a B plus. And here's
Speaker 12: why I love Travis Hunter as a player. I think
Speaker 12: on the high end, you're gonna get a truly unique,
Speaker 12: like just a unicorn, you know, like, and I know
Speaker 12: that's a little redundant, right, a unique unicorn, but like,
Speaker 12: you're getting one of these guys that, like, there's never
Speaker 12: really been one of these before. If he hits on
Speaker 12: all cylinders, but even If he doesn't, you're gonna have
Speaker 12: a lot of cracks at getting it right because there's
Speaker 12: so many different things that you can do with him.
Speaker 12: So I love that for them. My question is are
Speaker 12: they in that position yet where they should be taking
Speaker 12: this sort of swing. In other words, like Liam Cohen
Speaker 12: James Gladstone came from the Rams where they were known
Speaker 12: for taking these sorts of swings. But when they took
Speaker 12: these sort of swings, they were on veteran players and
Speaker 12: it was a team, and it was with a team
Speaker 12: that was in position to win right now. And so
Speaker 12: the question is, do the Jaguars now think they're closer
Speaker 12: than maybe the general public does to truly competing, to
Speaker 12: maybe knocking off the Texans in the AFC South, to
Speaker 12: being a contender. And you know, obviously a lot of
Speaker 12: that's going to come down to what Liam Cohen gets
Speaker 12: out of Trevor Lawrence, but maybe they think that. You know,
Speaker 12: so if you're Jacksonville and you think you're closer than
Speaker 12: the general public does, then this move makes a ton
Speaker 12: of sense because you know, Travis Hunter might be a
Speaker 12: player that can put you over the top, and then
Speaker 12: you know, maybe that pick next year is in the
Speaker 12: twenties rather than be in the top ten.
Speaker 7: So so we'll see on that.
Speaker 4: When did you realize that Shador was falling.
Speaker 7: February? I know that sounds crazy. February, I like, I
Speaker 7: don't know.
Speaker 12: I was like everybody else in December and January thinking, okay,
Speaker 12: is it going to be Cam or Shador?
Speaker 7: You know, being the first quarterback off the board.
Speaker 12: The more people I talked to when I started to
Speaker 12: do my research on the draft class, which really I
Speaker 12: try to do it all year, but it really kind
Speaker 12: of gets going once the season ends, the more people
Speaker 12: I talked to said this, he's.
Speaker 7: Just not a first round talent. Now.
Speaker 12: People would have said the same thing about Bonnix the
Speaker 12: year before. And I think I said this to you guys.
Speaker 12: I said this a bunch of different places, Like I
Speaker 12: would say he could go third to thirty third. And
Speaker 12: the reason I said that because I didn't think he
Speaker 12: was going in the first round, you know, And you know,
Speaker 12: really what I meant by that was like, maybe he
Speaker 12: finds the fit the way that bow Nicks did. And
Speaker 12: no one's going to argue with where Bonnicks went now
Speaker 12: because of the rookie year he had, and there was
Speaker 12: a team that fit him perfectly. He found that team,
Speaker 12: they found him, and you know now they live happily
Speaker 12: ever after. But absent finding that team, he wasn't a
Speaker 12: good enough physical prospect to go.
Speaker 7: In the first round.
Speaker 12: He wasn't what you normally see in a first round quarterback,
Speaker 12: and a lot of people were just whistling by the
Speaker 12: graveyard on that.
Speaker 7: But it was what it was all along.
Speaker 12: And now here's the other part of it, Dan is
Speaker 12: if he's not a first round pick and he's got
Speaker 12: to go find his fit, does it make any sense
Speaker 12: for him to be thinning the herd?
Speaker 7: It was, effectively, is what they were.
Speaker 12: Doing, you know over the last couple of months, the
Speaker 12: way they were handling some of their meetings, and so,
Speaker 12: you know, I think that that was a mistake. I
Speaker 12: think another piece of it is, you know, how you
Speaker 12: view your backup and what you expect from your backup,
Speaker 12: and how most coaches want their backup to blend in
Speaker 12: with the furniture.
Speaker 7: And you know, most coaches would say, you know, you,
Speaker 7: you know, you put two.
Speaker 12: Quarterbacks in front of him, one's the celebrity, one's an
Speaker 12: anonymous player, and you say it's going to be a
Speaker 12: second or third quarterback in your rows.
Speaker 7: Most coaches will say, give me the anonymous guy. You know,
Speaker 7: it's just the way it is.
Speaker 12: So I think there were a number of factors on
Speaker 12: why he fell that I'd say, first round, second round
Speaker 12: about talent and performance, and then after that it's about
Speaker 12: everything else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I brought up because Mike Source
Speaker 2: said that he didn't have a first round grade. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And there aren't a lot of quarterbacks who were taken
Speaker 2: in the second round because you're either first round worthy
Speaker 2: or you're backup worthy, and that's where you get into
Speaker 2: the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what happened with Shador is he wasn't Jackson Darter
Speaker 2: cam Ward, but he wasn't going to be Jalen Hurds
Speaker 2: kind of lingering there in the second round. He was
Speaker 2: going to be viewed as a guy who was probably
Speaker 2: going to be a backup quarterback.
Speaker 4: But did the media get duped here? Because if you.
Speaker 2: Consider mel Kiper, you know, is still shouting from the mountaintops.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people who had Shador in
Speaker 2: the first round, and that became a story because now
Speaker 2: everybody's shocked that he dropped as far as he did,
Speaker 2: but it almost felt like the media in general was
Speaker 2: eating what Dion was serving.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and it was good for business too, right, you know,
Speaker 12: like Chador is a fifth round pick, isn't. I mean
Speaker 12: he's you know, at that point, he's case Keenum, which
Speaker 12: is a highly productive, good college quarterback who's not going
Speaker 12: to be a high draft pick, you know, So, I mean,
Speaker 12: I would say this is sort of a symbiotic thing,
Speaker 12: you know where you know, Chador's camp probably felt like
Speaker 12: it was good for him to be presented as if
Speaker 12: he was going to be a top five, top ten
Speaker 12: pick and like that that was a lock.
Speaker 7: Like they felt like that was good for them.
Speaker 12: Now it wound up being bad for them, you know,
Speaker 12: because I think it affected a lot of other things.
Speaker 12: But that was also good for business in the media,
Speaker 12: wouldn't you say, Dan? No?
Speaker 7: I mean, well didn't the draft didn't have a lot
Speaker 7: of sex appeal, right, Like this, let's call it what
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 12: Like this was a draft that was heavy on lineman,
Speaker 12: that didn't have very many blue chip guys. Travis Hunters
Speaker 12: were interesting, but like are is abdul Carter as good
Speaker 12: as he is? Is he's right driving ratings know, the
Speaker 12: fourth picks and offensive tackle, the you know, the the
Speaker 12: fifth picks of defensive tackle, the seventh pick is an
Speaker 12: offensive tackle, and.
Speaker 7: Ninth picks and offensive tackle. Like something's got to drive
Speaker 7: the boat here, you know. And I think it was.
Speaker 7: I had part of it is it's good for business
Speaker 7: for all of us. I mean, I'm I'm not exempt
Speaker 7: from it either.
Speaker 12: I heard a lot about your door, and I talked
Speaker 12: a lot about your door, and I went on TV
Speaker 12: a lot about your door over the last two months.
Speaker 7: It was good for business that way.
Speaker 2: Talking and Albert Brier the Monday Morning Quarterback, helped me
Speaker 2: understand the Steelers quarterback room right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So I think it's a pretty good tell that they
Speaker 12: feel good about where they stand with Aaron Rodgers right now.
Speaker 12: And I think Kirk Cousins would looms as sort of
Speaker 12: a fallback option if Aaron Rodgers if that doesn't play
Speaker 12: out the way that it does. But I think we
Speaker 12: should listen to what Aaron said too, which is I've
Speaker 12: got some personal things that I'm trying to work out out.
Speaker 12: And you wish he had said that at the beginning
Speaker 12: because it probably would have you know, saved a lot
Speaker 12: of the noise from getting out there over the last.
Speaker 7: Couple of months.
Speaker 12: But he did say it, and I think we can
Speaker 12: all respect it in all respect, like whatever he's going
Speaker 12: through in his personal life, and you know, I think
Speaker 12: in that case, like you know, he's going through that
Speaker 12: in his personal life, well maybe it would make sense
Speaker 12: then that he would be waiting on signing with a team,
Speaker 12: because you know, the minute he signs with the Steelers,
Speaker 12: if he signs with the Steelers three weeks ago and says, Okay,
Speaker 12: I'm going to handle his personal matter and then I'm
Speaker 12: going to show up, well, what does the narrative then become, Well,
Speaker 12: he's not here for the off season program, OTAs are starting,
Speaker 12: is not here for that? The veteran mini camps are
Speaker 12: going to be a circus because of that. I mean it,
Speaker 12: I could see where, you know, if he, like again
Speaker 12: taking it at face value, he's handling a personal matter here,
Speaker 12: I could see where it probably makes the most sense
Speaker 12: for everybody to take a step back a little bit
Speaker 12: and say, like, it just doesn't make sense for us
Speaker 12: to sign you right now, because it's going to turn
Speaker 12: the volume up on everybody and we don't need that
Speaker 12: right now.
Speaker 7: You don't need it, We don't need it. Let's just
Speaker 7: let sleeping dogs lie.
Speaker 12: And then, you know, I think as far as the
Speaker 12: Kirk Cousins thing goes, I mean, where we are right
Speaker 12: now with that, Like the Cleveland Browns, which are the
Speaker 12: most logical suitor, they have a full quarterback room right now.
Speaker 12: The Vikings just traded for Sam Howe, and I think
Speaker 12: under certain circumstances, the Vikings would of considered bringing Kirk.
Speaker 7: Back as a backup.
Speaker 12: And so like the Steelers can kind of sit here
Speaker 12: and say, okay, like, well, you know, if something goes
Speaker 12: wrong in the Aaron Rodgers situation, we could still revisit
Speaker 12: Kirk Cousins. So they've got a couple options out there
Speaker 12: for themselves. And you know, then, I know, you know,
Speaker 12: like I don't see him going into season with Mason
Speaker 12: Rudolph as a starter, but at least they've got a
Speaker 12: guy that've got experience with there.
Speaker 2: What do you do if you're the NFL to the
Speaker 2: Atlanta Falcons when the phone numbers got out and your
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator son is videotaping him and his friends these these.
Speaker 12: Yeahs, I mean, I don't know, you know, in some ways,
Speaker 12: I like, I think we all did We all did
Speaker 12: stupid stuff when we were that age. So I hate
Speaker 12: to kill the kid, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 12: I probably would have thought it was hilarious when I
Speaker 12: was twenty years old too, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 12: so like I have sympathy for Shador in this situation.
Speaker 12: I also you know, like I also see this as
Speaker 12: like this isn't.
Speaker 7: A capital crime.
Speaker 12: Now there is a security issue, you know, So that's
Speaker 12: something the NFL has to clean up. How these things
Speaker 12: get out. There's a million different ways that can happen.
Speaker 12: That it was a burner phone, I think obviously points
Speaker 12: to okay, like well, if he only had this phone
Speaker 12: over the week leading up to the draft, then it had.
Speaker 7: To come from somewhere.
Speaker 12: And you know, I think this is if it did
Speaker 12: come from an NFL email, then the league office has
Speaker 12: to look inward too and how they're distributing those things,
Speaker 12: and are they being a little careless about distributing them?
Speaker 12: You know, I think we have to be open to
Speaker 12: the idea that it's an honestness if you leave a
Speaker 12: tablet open, and which is what they said, I think, right,
Speaker 12: was it an iPad. If you leave a tablet open
Speaker 12: and your kid walks by it, I mean, you know, again,
Speaker 12: is that a capital crime?
Speaker 7: It's sloppy, but like it's not a capital crime, you know.
Speaker 12: So it's a it's a it's a it's a it's
Speaker 12: a weird story. It's a weird thing. But you know,
Speaker 12: I like, I look, there's just a huge part of
Speaker 12: me that looks at this and says, like, let's just
Speaker 12: all move on.
Speaker 7: This is so stupid.
Speaker 12: It doesn't I mean, is in stable condition right now?
Speaker 12: I would say, right after, after after what happened on
Speaker 12: that phone.
Speaker 4: Call, the Niners paid George Kittle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know if maybe they were going to
Speaker 2: do it in reverse order and pay Rock Party and
Speaker 2: then you pay George Kittle. But what do you make
Speaker 2: of the Niners making George Kittle the highest paid tight end?
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's like sort of an acknowledgment of
Speaker 12: who he is as a player and what he's done
Speaker 12: for the organization and as a guy who's going to
Speaker 12: turn thirty two years old in October. You know, we
Speaker 12: still trust you, you know, we still trust that you're
Speaker 12: going to do everything you need.
Speaker 7: To do, because it's going to get harder as you
Speaker 7: get older, to get.
Speaker 12: Yourself ready to be one of the best tight ends
Speaker 12: in football. Now, on paper, you know what this really
Speaker 12: is is it's a bump, and it's you're going to
Speaker 12: be on the team in twenty twenty six. Like he
Speaker 12: knows he's going to be on the team this year,
Speaker 12: this essentially assures that he's going to be on the
Speaker 12: team in twenty twenty six, so he gets a nice
Speaker 12: pay raise. You're going to be on the team the
Speaker 12: next two years, and then after that we'll see. It's
Speaker 12: trumpeted as a four year extension. It does not mean
Speaker 12: he's going to be on the team when he's thirty
Speaker 12: eight years old. So, you know, I think, as much
Speaker 12: as anything else, this is sort of the gold Watch deal,
Speaker 12: you know what I mean, Like, this is the deal
Speaker 12: where you say, we love you. You're going to be
Speaker 12: a part of our organization forever. You've got a legacy here.
Speaker 7: We're going to reward you one last time.
Speaker 12: We're gonna give you the security of knowing you're going
Speaker 12: to be here for the next two years and we'll
Speaker 12: see after that.
Speaker 2: The Bill Belichick book, where Robert Craft is not even
Speaker 2: in the acknowledgments. What do you make of that exchange
Speaker 2: that he had with the Sunday Morning the CBS Morning Show.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, was it Georgia Tech against Cumberland and
Speaker 12: the was that the two hundred and twenty two or
Speaker 12: nothing game?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 12: Yeah, Like I would say that would be sort of
Speaker 12: the same matchup as CBS News against the people who
Speaker 12: are running Belichick's interview.
Speaker 4: There that makes sense. Well, okay, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: Now, his girlfriend's job, I would think, is to troubleshoot.
Speaker 4: She heads up his PR.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have let's go through the potential questions.
Speaker 2: You're going to get Bill, I'm going to ask you
Speaker 2: the questions, and then we are going to cobble together
Speaker 2: and answer Yeah Bill. Bill seems shocked, and then he
Speaker 2: also when the you know, they followed up by asking,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 12: If it is true, if it is true that the
Speaker 12: reason that's got out and the reason they shot that
Speaker 12: they shot her off camera is because it was non
Speaker 12: stop interrupting and there was a real problem for them. Well,
Speaker 12: that's not the way like a professional in that situation acts.
Speaker 12: Like if you have like a publicist or a PR
Speaker 12: person who's handling that for you, I mean, you know
Speaker 12: this as well as I do. Dan, you've sat down
Speaker 12: in these sorts of interviews before. I mean, they're very
Speaker 12: they're usually very professional, and if there is a PR
Speaker 12: person or a publicist there for the person who is
Speaker 12: being interviewed, that person's not interrupting. That person has an
Speaker 12: idea of everything that's going on with everybody there, in
Speaker 12: a lot of cases has a relationship with the network,
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. Like, so they're working through
Speaker 12: all of that stuff.
Speaker 4: But Bim should have been prepared for that question.
Speaker 7: That's an yeah, yeah, And that part of it.
Speaker 2: Is even him getting fired Albert, he didn't even have
Speaker 2: an answer for that because they let him go and
Speaker 2: he goes mutual.
Speaker 12: Mutual, yeah yeah, but that part of it, I'm not
Speaker 12: sure he would have answered that differently, Like I that
Speaker 12: felt Did that not feel to you like a little
Speaker 12: bit of knife twisting, like you know with with with Craft,
Speaker 12: Like it just felt to me like, I know what
Speaker 12: he doesn't want to hear here, so I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 12: gonna twist the knife.
Speaker 7: That's what it felt like to me.
Speaker 4: Yea.
Speaker 12: I mean, and we know the guy knows how to
Speaker 12: hold a grudge, right, I mean so I like I it.
Speaker 7: It felt to me like just watching.
Speaker 12: It and knowing and knowing Bill and having you know,
Speaker 12: been around professionally around Bill for the last twenty years,
Speaker 12: like like he generally doesn't say a lot of things
Speaker 12: by mistake, and that correct answer was like basically like yeah,
Speaker 12: I did it, and I meant to do it, and
Speaker 12: I did it for a reason.
Speaker 2: She just has to be better. If you're gonna if
Speaker 2: you're gonna be his sounding board, you have to say
Speaker 2: to him, they're gonna ask you these questions, right, you know,
Speaker 2: you're preparing for depp is well.
Speaker 7: And if I if I'm in the room, they're going
Speaker 7: to ask about me.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I'm sure, but you know, I she could
Speaker 2: have been hands off from the standpoint of this is
Speaker 2: a book about Bill in winning. This has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with her, their relationship or North Carolina. Right, But now,
Speaker 2: would I still ask because she's interrupting? I probably would
Speaker 2: have said, why don't you come over here and sit
Speaker 2: down with us because you're disrupting the interview. Either be
Speaker 2: in the interview or get out of the room.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 12: It Also it also sort of makes Bill look weak,
Speaker 12: doesn't it? Like I just I mean it does like
Speaker 12: like we can call it what it is. Like if
Speaker 12: you're talking about like making him look good, that wasn't
Speaker 12: happening either, you know, like let him answer the question.
Speaker 4: He's the most prepared coach we've ever had.
Speaker 12: And you don't know and like you don't think he
Speaker 12: knew that could be asked. Of course he did.
Speaker 4: Of course he did.
Speaker 12: I mean, like if he's putting, if he's parking her
Speaker 12: ten feet from the camera, like then he has to know.
Speaker 12: Like they'ren they could ask about that, and maybe they will,
Speaker 12: maybe they won't, but they could ask about that.
Speaker 2: So it'd an absurd that we're actually talking about this
Speaker 2: if I would have said to you, hey, three years ago, Hey,
Speaker 2: you know what's gonna happen with Bill. He's gonna meet
Speaker 2: this girl on a plane and uh, he's not gonna
Speaker 2: get back in the NFL. He's gonna leave the Patriots
Speaker 2: and he's gonna coach at North Carolina and we're gonna
Speaker 2: talk about how she's running his life.
Speaker 7: Will you look at it? So interesting?
Speaker 2: Those pictures on the on the beach where they're posing,
Speaker 2: like we.
Speaker 12: Had that, we had that, we had that thing like
Speaker 12: Brady Kraft Belichick for all those years and everything else.
Speaker 12: And who's I mean, like, who's the one that's like
Speaker 12: winning that? Yeah, I guess that's another Georgia Tech versus Cumberland, right,
Speaker 12: Like It's like, is Brady is now a part owner
Speaker 12: of the Raiders? Was was you know, just part of
Speaker 12: hiring a head coach and a general manager and.
Speaker 7: Uh, you know the other two guys are sort of
Speaker 7: engaged in this.
Speaker 4: It's just it is crazy.
Speaker 7: It feels to me like the theater of the absurd.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's just like if we can all be again, like,
Speaker 12: if we can all be honest about this, It's like,
Speaker 12: there's no way, there's no way. Five years ago if
Speaker 12: you had told me that this is where we would be,
Speaker 12: you know, and five years ago is when Brady walked
Speaker 12: out the door.
Speaker 7: If you had told me like this would.
Speaker 12: Be there, that this would where we would be left
Speaker 12: five years later, I would have I would have said,
Speaker 12: that sounds like a that sounds like a Saturday Night
Speaker 12: Live skit.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Good to chat with you. We'll talk to you in
Speaker 2: the off season. Thank you again, Albert. All right, Thanks Dan,
Speaker 2: That's Albert Breer.
Speaker 4: He is the Monday Morning quarterback. We'll take a break.
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Speaker 2: You know, we talk about Shudor Sanders sliding. I think
Speaker 2: one of the biggest slides and it's been overshadowed by
Speaker 2: shad Or Sanders is Quinn yours. Because a year ago,
Speaker 2: if we looked at mock drafts, Quinn, youwers is going
Speaker 2: in the first round and maybe viewed as the number
Speaker 2: one quarterback, and as the season progressed and you weren't seeing.
Speaker 4: His name up high in mock drafts.
Speaker 2: That's where somebody's got to be honest with the kid
Speaker 2: or the family in saying you're sliding, and you might
Speaker 2: want to I said it on the show, he should
Speaker 2: try to play one more year, get four or five
Speaker 2: million dollars playing college football. Maybe you can go up
Speaker 2: the draft board, whatever you needed to work on, go
Speaker 2: back to college and play one more year.
Speaker 4: He slides to what seventh round?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pauline, I have a few different NFL draft profiles
Speaker 5: of Quin Yours, including NFL dot COM's Lance's airline, who's
Speaker 5: kind of an expert, he says, late round two, round three,
Speaker 5: expectation for him being picked.
Speaker 2: Oops, that's a big slide. So you can look at
Speaker 2: Shadoor Sanders. He at least went in the fourth round.
Speaker 2: Quinn Yours seventh round. It's a big, big drop. But
Speaker 2: you know, he doesn't have famous dad, and there wasn't
Speaker 2: a lot of hype about him and everything that goes
Speaker 2: along with Shador Sanders, and Shadoor Sanders was great for ratings.
Speaker 2: Hijacked unintentionally hijacked the draft. But there were other quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: certainly quin Yours, that they went a lot lower than
Speaker 2: we thought they were going to. But who did he
Speaker 2: end up going to Miami?
Speaker 4: He might get a chance.
Speaker 7: I don't, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't rule it out anymore because nobody stays healthy
Speaker 2: enough to play the entire season, and certainly with Tua,
Speaker 2: the odds of him getting a chance to play a
Speaker 2: little bit higher. Although you got Zack Wilson in front
Speaker 2: of you. Did Zach Wilson take the number zero? I
Speaker 2: think he did. Can you see if that's his new
Speaker 2: number in Miami?
Speaker 3: Zero as in zero fs to give oh that's right,
Speaker 3: new Zach in town.
Speaker 4: Do you see it? Polly zach Wilson's new number?
Speaker 2: Man, if it's true, that's where you have to have
Speaker 2: somebody saying God a good idea?
Speaker 4: Zero zero? Yes, Marvin zach Wilson will wear number zero
Speaker 4: for them?
Speaker 2: No, where are the grown ups in the room here?
Speaker 2: Actually it's you see better when grown ups stay out
Speaker 2: of these things. But sometimes you want grown up to
Speaker 2: be honest with you.
Speaker 9: Yes, Todd, Yeah, other than Marcus Mariota, second person to
Speaker 9: do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just given what happened with the Jets, you
Speaker 2: don't want to be known as his zero like you
Speaker 2: just don't. Don't don't get close to that fire, get
Speaker 2: too close to negative numbers? Yeahs minus one? Yes, Marvin?
Speaker 8: What number would you have won him to take?
Speaker 12: It?
Speaker 4: Does matter? Just anything but zero? Yeah, like eight infinity?
Speaker 5: Yes, don't be clueless and ask for thirteen. That would
Speaker 5: be much worse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be bad? Could I thirteen? He'd being serious? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Who didn't? Wait? Did Chad Pennington have that? No? Dann
Speaker 4: Marino did? Okay, more phone calls coming up? Zero can't
Speaker 4: do zero.
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